Zach behind the camera speaks!?! I always assumed that TFL didn't want the videographers to talk during videos... Zach's contribution to this video was much appreciated by me.
I am sorry but the guy showing the cars it has no knowledge enough todo this part. however, the cameramen has more knowledge and explains better the specs but miss the focus of the camera while pointing and filming the video. 🙄🤯👎
Same here 👍, the more choices the better! Oh, Honda needs to add dual rear seat air vents and USB-C ports for any car costing over 30k those items should be mandatory.
@@Big.W. I believe so but it wasn't one of the really desirable ones that reved to 8000rpm. It only went to 6500rpm and had 160hp instead of the 200hp. Decent torque though. The good ones came in Acura's here in the states in those years.
I still daily drive my 02 si (bought used on ‘15). I’m looking to upgrade to 25 si, but can’t find any dealer willing to sell without mark ups or add ons.
@@sayurasem that is cool. Unfortunate that you can't find an honest dealer and those cars are that desirable that they can play those games. Hopefully you will find one soon enough. Or maybe it will work out that big changes will happen because you waited.
they should keep manual transmissions and make hybrid manuals like back in 2010 cause they have the tech already got ez 50mpg but sadly never going to happen 🙄
100%. The only way to get a hatchback MT is to step up to a $39,000 Integra or a $45,000 Type R. A sedan in a vehicle like this is just stupid, so I'm cross-shopping the Acura or the hybrid. Maybe I ought to be searching out the Volkswagen dealers to see if they have any left over manual Golf Rs.
@@bertwilson4311 Yeah, it's done on purpose to force all of us to purchase the Acura Integra hatchback. I guess the hatch manual is exclusive to the Integra.
The new wheels on the touring also have a sound resonance insert that greatly reduces road noise. A really big improvement that a lot of reviewers don’t mention!
Most, if not all reviewers fail to mention that the recommended fuel for the Si is 91 and over. 87 is minimum where some knocking can occur and below 87 can cause engine damage.
Man I must be getting old because honestly I'd choose the hybrid. 200hp manual just isn't enough to be exciting anymore. The hybrid is probably faster and still gets better mileage. The hatch is also more practical.
Yes, I agree with you. I have owned the Hybrid, Si (and Type-R). The hybrid is very smooth, which makes the acceleration deceptive. I was often surprised when looking at the speedo. Going faster than I thought. With the MT and sportier handling, the Si seems faster, but data from Car & Driver indicates Hybrid is faster. If Honda would have bumped Si to 230-240 HP this year, that would have been nice. The Type-R is much higher performance, but you have to pay a lot more. (Even at MSRP)
it might be fast stock, but basically you no longer can do mods down the road and basically use it as transportation point A to B and don't race it....cause you know it will break and cost a fortune if you race it. os it all depends on your plan for the car....mod and have fun or use it like an appliance.
The direct drive system on the hybrid is way better than a CVT. Picked up the S T hybrid last night. No complaints here. My other car is pictured in my profile. I row my own gears in it as well.
I currently own the Sport Touring Hybrid and previously owned 11th gen Si. Here are my experiences. The Si will always be more engaging to drive with the manual and better handling, especially on a back road. Si has considerably more road noise at highway speed. Because of this, the Bose audio sounds better in the Hybrid because of better isolation. With 50/50 city/hwy driving I got around 32 mpg in the Si with 93 octane. The Si ride in city and highway is rougher with the sporty tuned suspension. I prefer the Si seats because they have better side bolstering and generally I prefer cloth. The Hybrid does not feel as fast as the Si since it is so smooth and has instant torque. However, based on 0-60 numbers, the Hybrid is 0.4 sec faster. (6.2 vs 6.6) I would guess the Hybrid is faster than the Si also at different roll on speeds because of great torque and no need to shift. The sound level and ride quality is very good on the highway. I took the Hybrid on a back road and still had some fun. In Sport mode, the regen setting will maintain the setting. I did not push it hard enough to even squeal the tires, but was still going at a decent speed. Of course the Si is very good on the back road. The Hybrid is still good enough to have some fun when you want. After 500 miles, getting 47 mpg with 87 octane driving normal with around 50/50 split of city/hwy. Overall, they are both great cars and both have 200 hp, but very different driving dynamics. To me, the decision is fairly simple. If you must have a manual, get the Si. If not, get the Hybrid. The Civic does not penalize you for driving a Hybrid.
What made you sell your Si for the Sport Touring? Good to hear from someone coming from a sporty car into a hybrid. I am sure, mpg really helps and great savings instead of paying premium gas in the Si
How is the Sport Touring Hybrid's ride/refinement/road noise level as far as big city and in-town driving in stop and go traffic over rough roads. I live in Miami, and some of the roads here are horrible. I'm between a 2025 Camry Hybrid or a 2025 Civic Sport Touring Hybrid Hatchback.
@@DaleWilly Except longevity, the big one. The 2.0 naturally aspirated will last forever, the turbocharged direct injection 1.5 is a future hand grenade
Here is what I like about the Civic vs the Corolla: Lower Cowl (bottom of the windshield). In the Corolla, the Cowl is raised up around 3" from the car's beltline, so to see the road ahead very well, you've got to raise your seat up pretty high, and now your head hits the headliner. With the Civic the Cowl is level with the beltline.
if the Si had around 40-50 more HP I would buy one, but 200hp for a 'sport' car is just too little. the hybrid in the other hand is just a perfect daily.
Theres fans of the 1.5T, I completely understand. Honda going from the K series to a 1.5T is like if Ford went from a V8 to Ecoboost only in the mustang.
D16's were fun. They should have just used those, put some forged internals and a small turbo and called it a day. Might not produce the BIGGEST HP, but at least they were less likely to break @@waterloo123100
Thank you for this video! As a quasi-enthusiast and Japanese car fan, I am eager to watch this comparison. I live in a large city and need only a single vehicle as my daily driver, so I'm leaning Hybrid even before watching. But I'm very curious to see what insights I can glean from your video because the Si must be more fun to drive. One thing missing: where are the driving impressions?
I feel like people don't understand the si. Its not a race car, its an economy car slightly modified to be more engaging for people that actually enjoy driving. If you're gonna go to a hybrid for a slightly increase in 0-60 time and better city mpg then i don't know why you were considering an si in the first place.
Actually, I believe the hybrid system is the same between the Accord and Civic minus 4 hp. But the system on the CRV is different not just to accommodate all wheel drive but it also adds a second lower speed direct coupler gear ratio that drives the wheels straight from the gasoline engine output to give it the ability to tow. Single high speed coupler ratio in Civic and Accord and one low and one high speed in the CRV. Unless I’m mistaken, I do get stuff wrong sometimes.
Living in Seattle the dealers have a market adjustment of $5K - $10K for the Si. Going outside the metro area we picked up a Black Si at msrp in Dec of 24.
Thanks for the great review. SI is the car for me and I’m really glad they added heated seats living in Michigan. Also glad they brought back the summer tire option.
Very good video - I wasn’t going to watch it because I didn’t think the civic was very interesting. But the hosts made it so informative that I wanted more and was surprised when the video ended.
I can't imagine picking the Si over the hybrid with that gigantic fuel economy difference and the hybrids greater torque. And the hatchback over the sedan is an easy choice.
I too have one... I wonder if they will hold their value better as a result??? Or maybe not since the integra 6mt is already depreciating down to the civic 6mt values .. only time will tell.
Def the SI because of the manual and sport vibe, but that is a fabulous value hybrid. Of course, the real problem is that the Type R is so absolutely gorgeous and has so much engineering put into it that it's tempting to spend all that extra $$$ and get one!
I bought a 24 sport touring hatch in automatic 3 months ago after driving manuals daily for 13 years. I wanted the hybrid but they didn't have an ETA for the hybrid hatchback at the time. I don't like that they got rid of the fog lights on the 25s. First thing I did to my 24 was add DD SS3 Max fogs. I love my 24 but would have 100% went with the hybrid if they had it available at the time.
Well, the Si technically makes more than 200 hp (215-222 hp). But it can’t match that hybrid torque unfortunately. Would have been nice if the Si had gained a new tune
6.6s+ 0-60s for 220hp doesn't seem right tho. I've seen videos on here where people with Si's are getting into the mid 7s before getting to 60. Ik people were claiming they were underrated when this gen came out but the performance numbers just seem off for the 220hp range imo
That's a good point, but second gear gets you to the low 50's. You gotta shift to third gear to get to 60. The Elantra n for example can hit 60 at the top of second gear. So a extra shift..
You can't really compare them without driving them. The driving dynamics is the major difference. The Hybrid is a comfortable city car and highway cruiser. The Si is much sportier both in driving dynamics and feel. The hybrid is quicker, but it doesn't feel quicker.
Yeah, the most important and interesting differences between these two cars are the drivetrains and suspension setups. It's really an incredible waste of time to spend 28 minutes "reviewing" them without driving them back-to-back and giving their impressions.
The new hybrid hatch is amazing, love the power, practicality, and mileage. Honda needed to increase the power on the Si this year, big missed opportunity.
eCVT, which is to say, no belt. Personally I would've branded it something else to get rid of the bad connotations. The Hybrid is basically an EV below a certain speed, with direct ICE drive at highway cruising speeds. The ability to switch seamlessly between three modes is amazing.
yep, there's actually no transmission in the Honda's current generation hybrid system. Just a reducer for the electric motor to the drive wheels. The gas engine can engage with the drive wheels at a 1:1 ratio via clutchpack at around 65-70 km/h (since electric motors aren't as efficient the faster you go), but below that, the gas engine is only mated to a motor that acts as a generator for the 1.0 kWh battery.
Honda says it’s eCVT but it’s not even that. Honda’s system is a series hybrid system with a lockup clutch. I’m probably oversimplifying it but it behaves a lot like a diesel electric freight train. At cruising speed, the lockup clutch engages, connecting the engine directly to the wheels.
My parents owned a 1980 5-door Civic hatchback. I owned a 7th generation Civic LX coupe, and I currently own a 9th generation Civic LX sedan. Dual pipes are stupid on any inline engine. There is only one bank of cylinders, thus negating the need for a heavy dual exhaust.
Si is still marked up around here in Seattle so any other Civic is still cheaper. $3-4k markups so you might as well go for the Integra Aspec Tech manual
Guys, you completely missed a few important things. The Honda Civic Hybrid drive system is a two-motor drive system that generates power and drives the vehicle through the interaction of the two motors. it has no CVT as you implied. No belts or ramps. It is Bulletproof. It has a selectable gauge layout menu. You can choose Round, Bar, and one other layout. Also, if you purchase the Hybrid in any other country, you get rear HVAC and USB-C ports. Not sure what Honda was thinking there. Lastly, the sedan is what most people will purchase and it is a significant $1,200.00 savings over the hatch.
Just to note, Honda focuses heavily on drive feel and the the new civic is built on the civc hatch weight, which will translate into the feel of the driving dynamics.
I've had 7 different hybrids over the years (1 Civic, 5 Accords, 1 CR-V) and the mileage is always better on the highway just like an ICE car. I don't know why the EPA and manufacturers keep saying city mileage is higher. Optimal MPG is obtained when cruising 45-65 mph.Summer mpg is far higher than winter (close to 50 in summer, 40 in winter). But I never get more than 40 mpg in all-city driving in my Accord hybrid, but 48-55 with mostly highway miles. This trend has been true in all the hybrids I've driven.
I like the added cargo legnth of the trunk space in tne sedan for long items both have folding seats. And more tear crash protection hatch looks smooshed in from tje rear. If you keep cargo under the rear window both have about the same real world cargo room. But the hatch has the large opening for bulky items. That will not for in the tiny trunk opening.
Its does not void your warranty is just a remarkable removable chip and tune with modest power increase. Toyotas are the one that voids warranties if you go over 85 mph
It needs to get more power. Or the hybrid will replace the Si if they can add a manual transmission like they did with the 7th generation Civic and CR-Z.
@damilolaakanni I agree. More power, but not much and the manual of course. I think if it had GTI power and torque would be good. If they could make hybrid, that'd be cool too!
The Si is always going to be the driving enthusiast's choice; it doesn't need more power nor does it need to change. I would have tried to give it the 2.0L K20 FLC but with heavy cams so that it keeps it's Atkinson cycle (for emissions and fuel economy) but gets a heavy Otto cycle switchover for that oldschool Vtech feel. ...and of course mated to a 6-speed manual. I'm not a fan of the 1.5T.
Families don't buy them, and they know it. All emphasis is placed in front seats, and if you want back seat luxury you have to move up to an SUV that they make money on.
Nice overviews of both cars. I just traded an 11th gen. Civic Sport Touring Hatchback with 6-speed manual for a new 2025 Si. If you're an enthusiast and driving dynamics are important to you, buy the Si. If you want an easy to drive car that gets great fuel economy and has decent power off the line, buy the Hybrid. They're both great, but the Si's handling is much better. Also, the Si's fuel economy is nothing to sneeze at either. If you drive normally and not constantly wring it out, you'll probably get low to mid 30s mpg in the Si. BTW, most reviewers make a big deal out of the lack of a wireless charging pad. They shouldn't. Most of those pads don't work well, but when they do work they do a great job of heating up your phone, which is bad for the phone. You're better off just plugging it in. If a wireless charging pad was an option in a new car, I would not pay for it.
@@cormaro13They’re not slow. They’re about as quick as entry level luxury vehicles. It’s no slower than a 1.5T Mercedes C200 or 2.0T BMW 320i. The 2.0L CVT lower trims are genuinely slow.
@@avery4528 so a simple google search since op or you can’t use the internet , shows 6.6sec for 0 to 60 for the new si model , holy crap that’s slow , just buy a Prius if you wanna go that slow 😂, at least you’ll get more gas Even the Mercedes and bmw can do 6 secs so no it’s not same , it’s slower 🤡😂
@@cormaro13 I don’t know what you’re on about, I said the Mercedes C200 and BMW 320i. Cars that aren’t available in the American market. They’re at the 15 second quarter mile pace. I wasn’t talking about the 300 and 30i variants.
For me, it's a no-brainer to get the Hybrid. I place a higher priority on fuel efficiency and smoothness than fun. Though all that torque and getting the best MPGs is its own version of fun.
Honda no longer offers the Si in blue. Red is the only bold color now then the usual monochromatic colors. Wish they had offered in boost blue or at least kept the Agean Blue. Also, on the hybrid they have matching rear door color inserts. Why can't they do that with the Si ? Would give it such a better interior look in the rear. I can't imagine it would increase the cost that much at all.
I've been searching everywhere for a review on the hybrid hatchback. I am very interested in a Sport Touring Hybrid Hatchback but it seems like Honda did not release the hatchback for reviews until recently
The only thing stopping me from the hybrid and pushing me to the si is the cost of repair for the battery since i want a new commutter with the hill assist and rev match the si moght be a better option even in traffic
I own 3 generations of Civic from 95-01...but If I was buying one of these I would get the Si sedan. I like the Sedan design and it has a manual Transmission. 200 HP and 195 Torque os H22 prelude territory....Im not sure how much the Si weighs though, that would be an important factor.
It is funny nobody talks about the markups when they talk about the prices. The MSRP is 31K, but with the dealers markups expect to pay close to 40K out of the door for these babes.
The bottom line question is: Is the performance you give up going from the SI to the Hybrid worth the improved fuel mileage and practicality of the hatch. I couldn't say which I would go for without driving both.
I have a 2015 Accord coupe 6+6 and It's hard for me to let it go but if I had to I'd choose the hybrid sedan. I drive 64 miles total to work and back and sit in traffic going home so an auto would be nice
Wth is the point of the si anymore? Smh whats honda doing man 🤦🏾♂️ the si should be around 240hp by now. Now this new hybrid is quicker. This is like an si for the people who can’t drive manual.
Zach behind the camera speaks!?! I always assumed that TFL didn't want the videographers to talk during videos... Zach's contribution to this video was much appreciated by me.
Meh, I find it annoying. I just want the presenter to be the only one talking.
Same! A lot of good information
He’s always been super knowledgeable. He definitely could present some videos i have always enjoyed hearing from him.
He has been a voice behind the camera AND has actually made appearances in front as well. He is a smart man. 1 of TFL's under valued assets.
I am sorry but the guy showing the cars it has no knowledge enough todo this part. however, the cameramen has more knowledge and explains better the specs but miss the focus of the camera while pointing and filming the video. 🙄🤯👎
I wish Honda offered the Si on the Hatchback
They do! Integra
@@RelearnMath which is butt ugly and more expensive. So no
Same here 👍, the more choices the better! Oh, Honda needs to add dual rear seat air vents and USB-C ports for any car costing over 30k those items should be mandatory.
@@RelearnMathunfortunately the Integra is quite a bit overpriced😢.
@RelearnMath that's more of a type r but just better.
That blue color is gorgeous in person.
It's called Boost Blue. Great color.
it's definitely an eye-catcher, but I prefer the sedan's Lagoon Blue, which is darker and classier.
@@ThePilotGearif only they gave us that color on the hatchback
saw it in person today. no i dont think it looks good. looks like a toy
Bought a new Civic SI back in 2002 and it was a great little car. Loved driving it in canyons everyday to work on my 60 mile commute each way daily.
Wasn’t that one of the first K20 engines?
@@Big.W. I believe so but it wasn't one of the really desirable ones that reved to 8000rpm. It only went to 6500rpm and had 160hp instead of the 200hp. Decent torque though. The good ones came in Acura's here in the states in those years.
@@Big.W. I did really like the rally shifter on the dash though. The placement was great for canyon driving which was my daily commute at the time.
I still daily drive my 02 si (bought used on ‘15). I’m looking to upgrade to 25 si, but can’t find any dealer willing to sell without mark ups or add ons.
@@sayurasem that is cool. Unfortunate that you can't find an honest dealer and those cars are that desirable that they can play those games. Hopefully you will find one soon enough. Or maybe it will work out that big changes will happen because you waited.
THIS!!! is the comparo we needed! Si vs. Hybrid ! !! !
We need a drag race between these two cars.
Can you stay awake that long?
They are not built for drag racing 🤦🏽♂️💆🏽♂️
@@lnt3ch Hybrid does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds.
The hybrid with get the upper hand. More torque and automatic transmission.
Si all the way. Love the manual
The manual is the best
Picking up my 25 Civic Hybrid Sport Touring Sedan on Saturday! Test drove it and love that combo of acceleration and high gas mileage.
It’s the hatchback for me. It’s more practical and gets way better gas mileage.
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The should keep it simple and make all hatches
they should keep manual transmissions and make hybrid manuals like back in 2010 cause they have the tech already got ez 50mpg but sadly never going to happen 🙄
100%. The only way to get a hatchback MT is to step up to a $39,000 Integra or a $45,000 Type R. A sedan in a vehicle like this is just stupid, so I'm cross-shopping the Acura or the hybrid. Maybe I ought to be searching out the Volkswagen dealers to see if they have any left over manual Golf Rs.
@@bertwilson4311 Yeah, it's done on purpose to force all of us to purchase the Acura Integra hatchback. I guess the hatch manual is exclusive to the Integra.
The new wheels on the touring also have a sound resonance insert that greatly reduces road noise. A really big improvement that a lot of reviewers don’t mention!
Homerun/slamdunk for Honda. Good power + good MPG + no turbo
Most, if not all reviewers fail to mention that the recommended fuel for the Si is 91 and over. 87 is minimum where some knocking can occur and below 87 can cause engine damage.
Man I must be getting old because honestly I'd choose the hybrid. 200hp manual just isn't enough to be exciting anymore. The hybrid is probably faster and still gets better mileage. The hatch is also more practical.
Yes, I agree with you. I have owned the Hybrid, Si (and Type-R). The hybrid is very smooth, which makes the acceleration deceptive. I was often surprised when looking at the speedo. Going faster than I thought.
With the MT and sportier handling, the Si seems faster, but data from Car & Driver indicates Hybrid is faster. If Honda would have bumped Si to 230-240 HP this year, that would have been nice.
The Type-R is much higher performance, but you have to pay a lot more. (Even at MSRP)
it might be fast stock, but basically you no longer can do mods down the road and basically use it as transportation point A to B and don't race it....cause you know it will break and cost a fortune if you race it. os it all depends on your plan for the car....mod and have fun or use it like an appliance.
Si for me, less complicated drivetrain and of course it being a MANUAL
The direct drive system on the hybrid is way better than a CVT. Picked up the S T hybrid last night. No complaints here. My other car is pictured in my profile. I row my own gears in it as well.
too many head gasket issues with the 1.5T. Hopefully they rev to a 2.0T in the Si next time.
I currently own the Sport Touring Hybrid and previously owned 11th gen Si. Here are my experiences.
The Si will always be more engaging to drive with the manual and better handling, especially on a back road. Si has considerably more road noise at highway speed. Because of this, the Bose audio sounds better in the Hybrid because of better isolation. With 50/50 city/hwy driving I got around 32 mpg in the Si with 93 octane. The Si ride in city and highway is rougher with the sporty tuned suspension. I prefer the Si seats because they have better side bolstering and generally I prefer cloth.
The Hybrid does not feel as fast as the Si since it is so smooth and has instant torque. However, based on 0-60 numbers, the Hybrid is 0.4 sec faster.
(6.2 vs 6.6) I would guess the Hybrid is faster than the Si also at different roll on speeds because of great torque and no need to shift.
The sound level and ride quality is very good on the highway.
I took the Hybrid on a back road and still had some fun. In Sport mode, the regen setting will maintain the setting. I did not push it hard enough to even squeal the tires, but was still going at a decent speed. Of course the Si is very good on the back road. The Hybrid is still good enough to have some fun when you want.
After 500 miles, getting 47 mpg with 87 octane driving normal with around 50/50 split of city/hwy.
Overall, they are both great cars and both have 200 hp, but very different driving dynamics.
To me, the decision is fairly simple. If you must have a manual, get the Si. If not, get the Hybrid. The Civic does not penalize you for driving a Hybrid.
What made you sell your Si for the Sport Touring? Good to hear from someone coming from a sporty car into a hybrid. I am sure, mpg really helps and great savings instead of paying premium gas in the Si
Yes, the primary reason is for the MPG. However I do miss the manual.
Excellent comparison!
@@kikomanster8188I did the same thing
How is the Sport Touring Hybrid's ride/refinement/road noise level as far as big city and in-town driving in stop and go traffic over rough roads. I live in Miami, and some of the roads here are horrible. I'm between a 2025 Camry Hybrid or a 2025 Civic Sport Touring Hybrid Hatchback.
Glad I found a NA 2.0 6mt hatch before they were killed off!
i would find some 11th gen seats si seats to make even better!
Current daily, love the car, does leave something to be desired in the power department.
um, so?? The turbo is FAR better in EVERY way possible.
@@DaleWilly yep, far better in oil dilution
@@DaleWilly Except longevity, the big one. The 2.0 naturally aspirated will last forever, the turbocharged direct injection 1.5 is a future hand grenade
Here is what I like about the Civic vs the Corolla: Lower Cowl (bottom of the windshield). In the Corolla, the Cowl is raised up around 3" from the car's beltline, so to see the road ahead very well, you've got to raise your seat up pretty high, and now your head hits the headliner. With the Civic the Cowl is level with the beltline.
if the Si had around 40-50 more HP I would buy one, but 200hp for a 'sport' car is just too little. the hybrid in the other hand is just a perfect daily.
Hondata tune it.
@@TeeDee-j9u then you'll also need a clutch soon after. They cheaped out on the power and clutch quality.
@@KeithSchwerin yeah, you're probably right.
@TeeDee-j9u it's a 1.5t with a cheapened clutch.
Exactly. The si has been around 200 hp since 99. In a car that weighed almost 600 pounds less.
Theres fans of the 1.5T, I completely understand. Honda going from the K series to a 1.5T is like if Ford went from a V8 to Ecoboost only in the mustang.
I’ll stick with my dinosaur D16. Those 1.5s are built so weak. Their basically a throwaway engine
@@waterloo123100not they not bro 1.5 are solid builds.
D16's were fun. They should have just used those, put some forged internals and a small turbo and called it a day. Might not produce the BIGGEST HP, but at least they were less likely to break @@waterloo123100
Too much talk about body trim, etc. I want thorough driving tests.
I currently have the 25 non-hatch touring hybrid and im loving the current 41.4 mpg
That's low, you should be getting 20 percent better.
Its going up, but i have a lead foot driving on the freeway@@truthserum5310
@@truthserum5310I have the accord, if you drive all street you can get 50+ mpg, all fast highway is much less mpg
I have civic sport hybrid and the full tank reage is 370 miles no more
Thank you for this video! As a quasi-enthusiast and Japanese car fan, I am eager to watch this comparison. I live in a large city and need only a single vehicle as my daily driver, so I'm leaning Hybrid even before watching. But I'm very curious to see what insights I can glean from your video because the Si must be more fun to drive.
One thing missing: where are the driving impressions?
Si Manual keeps production simple and efficient. They should also make all Civics hatchbacks. Side to side sedan trunk is a dinosaur.
I feel like people don't understand the si. Its not a race car, its an economy car slightly modified to be more engaging for people that actually enjoy driving. If you're gonna go to a hybrid for a slightly increase in 0-60 time and better city mpg then i don't know why you were considering an si in the first place.
Actually, I believe the hybrid system is the same between the Accord and Civic minus 4 hp. But the system on the CRV is different not just to accommodate all wheel drive but it also adds a second lower speed direct coupler gear ratio that drives the wheels straight from the gasoline engine output to give it the ability to tow. Single high speed coupler ratio in Civic and Accord and one low and one high speed in the CRV. Unless I’m mistaken, I do get stuff wrong sometimes.
Living in Seattle the dealers have a market adjustment of $5K - $10K for the Si. Going outside the metro area we picked up a Black Si at msrp in Dec of 24.
So glad Honda still offers a manual transmission. The Si is the obvious choice. Too bad they don't have a two-liter naturally aspirated on the Si.
Maybe a high revving NA 2.0
The '24 Sport 6MT 2.0L FBO and *tuned* is probably the closest to a N/A Si we'll get
Thanks for the great review. SI is the car for me and I’m really glad they added heated seats living in Michigan. Also glad they brought back the summer tire option.
Very good video - I wasn’t going to watch it because I didn’t think the civic was very interesting. But the hosts made it so informative that I wanted more and was surprised when the video ended.
The si making as much as a hybrid is wild
The fact honda keeps making the civic and accord hp the same is beyond me.
@@leont4062 they’re basically the same cars now after the 9th gen
I can't imagine picking the Si over the hybrid with that gigantic fuel economy difference and the hybrids greater torque. And the hatchback over the sedan is an easy choice.
If you want pure efficiency - the Hybrid Hatchback. If you want more fun - the SI.
First 11th gen hatchback hybrid review? Been looking for one for weeks now.
Forgot to mention you can get an si as a hatch back , the integra ASpec.
I love my 24 Sport Touring hatch 6MT. The last manual being offered in non Si or Type R.
I too have one... I wonder if they will hold their value better as a result??? Or maybe not since the integra 6mt is already depreciating down to the civic 6mt values .. only time will tell.
I suggest comparing Hyundai Elantra vs Honda Civic - base vs base and also Type N vs Type R ... Now that's a comparison!
Picked up the S T Hybrid last night. Excellent car for the money.
Def the SI because of the manual and sport vibe, but that is a fabulous value hybrid. Of course, the real problem is that the Type R is so absolutely gorgeous and has so much engineering put into it that it's tempting to spend all that extra $$$ and get one!
I just want those SI wheels on the hybrid
I bought a 24 sport touring hatch in automatic 3 months ago after driving manuals daily for 13 years. I wanted the hybrid but they didn't have an ETA for the hybrid hatchback at the time. I don't like that they got rid of the fog lights on the 25s. First thing I did to my 24 was add DD SS3 Max fogs. I love my 24 but would have 100% went with the hybrid if they had it available at the time.
Well, the Si technically makes more than 200 hp (215-222 hp). But it can’t match that hybrid torque unfortunately. Would have been nice if the Si had gained a new tune
6.6s+ 0-60s for 220hp doesn't seem right tho. I've seen videos on here where people with Si's are getting into the mid 7s before getting to 60. Ik people were claiming they were underrated when this gen came out but the performance numbers just seem off for the 220hp range imo
That's a good point, but second gear gets you to the low 50's. You gotta shift to third gear to get to 60. The Elantra n for example can hit 60 at the top of second gear. So a extra shift..
@@_dmfd Mid 7's wow, my 2000 Escort ZX2 with 143HP was reviewed to hit 7.4s 0-60 lol SO glad they match a 25yr old ford in 0-60.
@@KeithSchwerin yea that's my point
thanks for the review my choice Civis touring sport hybrid
You can't really compare them without driving them. The driving dynamics is the major difference. The Hybrid is a comfortable city car and highway cruiser. The Si is much sportier both in driving dynamics and feel. The hybrid is quicker, but it doesn't feel quicker.
Yeah, the most important and interesting differences between these two cars are the drivetrains and suspension setups. It's really an incredible waste of time to spend 28 minutes "reviewing" them without driving them back-to-back and giving their impressions.
Nice! I have a 2010 Honda Crosstour with 130 K . So far no issues, except for normal maintenance 👨✈️
Very nice car, but no rear air vents or USB outlets are big disappointments for me.
The new hybrid hatch is amazing, love the power, practicality, and mileage. Honda needed to increase the power on the Si this year, big missed opportunity.
Wait does the Hybrid have a CVT or an E-CVT? Big difference right?
eCVT, which is to say, no belt. Personally I would've branded it something else to get rid of the bad connotations.
The Hybrid is basically an EV below a certain speed, with direct ICE drive at highway cruising speeds. The ability to switch seamlessly between three modes is amazing.
They call it direct drive to make it simple
yep, there's actually no transmission in the Honda's current generation hybrid system. Just a reducer for the electric motor to the drive wheels. The gas engine can engage with the drive wheels at a 1:1 ratio via clutchpack at around 65-70 km/h (since electric motors aren't as efficient the faster you go), but below that, the gas engine is only mated to a motor that acts as a generator for the 1.0 kWh battery.
Honda says it’s eCVT but it’s not even that. Honda’s system is a series hybrid system with a lockup clutch. I’m probably oversimplifying it but it behaves a lot like a diesel electric freight train. At cruising speed, the lockup clutch engages, connecting the engine directly to the wheels.
My parents owned a 1980 5-door Civic hatchback. I owned a 7th generation Civic LX coupe, and I currently own a 9th generation Civic LX sedan. Dual pipes are stupid on any inline engine. There is only one bank of cylinders, thus negating the need for a heavy dual exhaust.
Si is still marked up around here in Seattle so any other Civic is still cheaper. $3-4k markups so you might as well go for the Integra Aspec Tech manual
Si all the way. Hybrid feels like I would be giving in to the mundane.
I was not expecting that “Hello” 😂
I have a 22 civic with the 1.5 and I honeatly love that car. Wish I could have gotten the hybrid
Guys, you completely missed a few important things. The Honda Civic Hybrid drive system is a two-motor drive system that generates power and drives the vehicle through the interaction of the two motors. it has no CVT as you implied. No belts or ramps. It is Bulletproof. It has a selectable gauge layout menu. You can choose Round, Bar, and one other layout. Also, if you purchase the Hybrid in any other country, you get rear HVAC and USB-C ports. Not sure what Honda was thinking there. Lastly, the sedan is what most people will purchase and it is a significant $1,200.00 savings over the hatch.
I was going to go for the SI but I wasn't a fan of the bolstered seats as a bigger driver.
Just to note, Honda focuses heavily on drive feel and the the new civic is built on the civc hatch weight, which will translate into the feel of the driving dynamics.
I've had 7 different hybrids over the years (1 Civic, 5 Accords, 1 CR-V) and the mileage is always better on the highway just like an ICE car. I don't know why the EPA and manufacturers keep saying city mileage is higher. Optimal MPG is obtained when cruising 45-65 mph.Summer mpg is far higher than winter (close to 50 in summer, 40 in winter). But I never get more than 40 mpg in all-city driving in my Accord hybrid, but 48-55 with mostly highway miles. This trend has been true in all the hybrids I've driven.
I like the added cargo legnth of the trunk space in tne sedan for long items both have folding seats.
And more tear crash protection hatch looks smooshed in from tje rear.
If you keep cargo under the rear window both have about the same real world cargo room.
But the hatch has the large opening for bulky items. That will not for in the tiny trunk opening.
Its does not void your warranty is just a remarkable removable chip and tune with modest power increase.
Toyotas are the one that voids warranties if you go over 85 mph
Now that the hybrid has the same power and more torque than the si, wonder what happens to the si going forward.
It needs to get more power. Or the hybrid will replace the Si if they can add a manual transmission like they did with the 7th generation Civic and CR-Z.
@damilolaakanni I agree. More power, but not much and the manual of course. I think if it had GTI power and torque would be good. If they could make hybrid, that'd be cool too!
Personally i suspect the Prelude will replace it.
The Si is always going to be the driving enthusiast's choice; it doesn't need more power nor does it need to change.
I would have tried to give it the 2.0L K20 FLC but with heavy cams so that it keeps it's Atkinson cycle (for emissions and fuel economy) but gets a heavy Otto cycle switchover for that oldschool Vtech feel.
...and of course mated to a 6-speed manual. I'm not a fan of the 1.5T.
My old 2019 si had front and rear heated seats in the 4 door. Also had wireless phone charging.. weird they don’t continue that
No rear ac and USB is just absurd for both vehicles being over $30k.
Families don't buy them, and they know it. All emphasis is placed in front seats, and if you want back seat luxury you have to move up to an SUV that they make money on.
Surprised how much this is a sticking point for people. I wonder how many sales Honda is losing based on this trivial omission.
@LLG47 It's an excuse when Corolla has USB in the rear. Even the new K4 has rear ac and USBs. My gripe is valid when the competition has that covered.
My 2024 Mitsubishi Mirage doesn't have rear ac and USB and I'm good, why u trippin Raheem?
@@johnkonde1975 That's YOU! Can you stop stalking me on every post, please?
I've owned a 1989 and 2003 Civic Si. I would only consider the hatchback body style.
Tripod for the camrea please. Good info.
Nice overviews of both cars. I just traded an 11th gen. Civic Sport Touring Hatchback with 6-speed manual for a new 2025 Si. If you're an enthusiast and driving dynamics are important to you, buy the Si. If you want an easy to drive car that gets great fuel economy and has decent power off the line, buy the Hybrid. They're both great, but the Si's handling is much better. Also, the Si's fuel economy is nothing to sneeze at either. If you drive normally and not constantly wring it out, you'll probably get low to mid 30s mpg in the Si.
BTW, most reviewers make a big deal out of the lack of a wireless charging pad. They shouldn't. Most of those pads don't work well, but when they do work they do a great job of heating up your phone, which is bad for the phone. You're better off just plugging it in. If a wireless charging pad was an option in a new car, I would not pay for it.
No lie, I filled up just before getting on the highway for 35 miles and was seeing 41 mpg with cruise control on 70. Not bad. EDIT: 2019 Si.
What is the 0-60 mph difference between the Si and the Hybrid?
Both slow as hell 😂 , you don’t buy a honda for that 😂
@@cormaro13They’re not slow. They’re about as quick as entry level luxury vehicles. It’s no slower than a 1.5T Mercedes C200 or 2.0T BMW 320i. The 2.0L CVT lower trims are genuinely slow.
@@avery4528 so a simple google search since op or you can’t use the internet , shows 6.6sec for 0 to 60 for the new si model , holy crap that’s slow , just buy a Prius if you wanna go that slow 😂, at least you’ll get more gas
Even the Mercedes and bmw can do 6 secs so no it’s not same , it’s slower 🤡😂
@@cormaro13 6 1/2 and a 15 second 1/4 mile isn’t slow.
@@cormaro13 I don’t know what you’re on about, I said the Mercedes C200 and BMW 320i. Cars that aren’t available in the American market. They’re at the 15 second quarter mile pace. I wasn’t talking about the 300 and 30i variants.
For me, it's a no-brainer to get the Hybrid. I place a higher priority on fuel efficiency and smoothness than fun. Though all that torque and getting the best MPGs is its own version of fun.
It would have been cool if they had the exhaust sound from the integra type S for the Si . But if I had to pick one, it will be the Si
Honda no longer offers the Si in blue. Red is the only bold color now then the usual monochromatic colors. Wish they had offered in boost blue or at least kept the Agean Blue. Also, on the hybrid they have matching rear door color inserts. Why can't they do that with the Si ? Would give it such a better interior look in the rear. I can't imagine it would increase the cost that much at all.
I've been searching everywhere for a review on the hybrid hatchback. I am very interested in a Sport Touring Hybrid Hatchback but it seems like Honda did not release the hatchback for reviews until recently
I believe also the Si takes premium fuel. The hybrid not?
87 minimum, 91 recommend.
The only thing stopping me from the hybrid and pushing me to the si is the cost of repair for the battery since i want a new commutter with the hill assist and rev match the si moght be a better option even in traffic
I currently own 2 lol. One Type R and one sedan (not sure the model) for the winter.
the hatch is 5 inches shorter than the sedan but the hatch is .3 inch taller in headroom in the rear.
I was waiting for you to drive them
Nice, but I miss the 2 door coupe.
I own 3 generations of Civic from 95-01...but If I was buying one of these I would get the Si sedan. I like the Sedan design and it has a manual Transmission. 200 HP and 195 Torque os H22 prelude territory....Im not sure how much the Si weighs though, that would be an important factor.
I bought the SI today, so there's my pick
Can you add a spare tore to the hybrid?
How is the Hybrid going to do in the snow?
A much as I love the manual, I might pick the hybrid. The hatch is nice to have and the interior looks a bit nicer. The fuel economy is great.
Is there as much legroom in the hatchback as in the sedan ?
I wish you could get those wheels that the SI has on the sport touring top trim!
How does the native system connect to the internet for Google and Alexa?
Is a spare available as a dealer installed option?
It is funny nobody talks about the markups when they talk about the prices. The MSRP is 31K, but with the dealers markups expect to pay close to 40K out of the door for these babes.
The bottom line question is: Is the performance you give up going from the SI to the Hybrid worth the improved fuel mileage and practicality of the hatch. I couldn't say which I would go for without driving both.
I'm trying to decide between a new Civic Hybrid or used Integra A-Spec manual. Both hatchbacks, but hybrid vs stick shift.
I barely see hatchbacks of the new gen civic where I live. Mainly the Sport trim level.
I’m going to test out the new SI soon just waiting for one to arrive 😅 here in Canada. It’s just over $35,000 😌🫶🏿
Honda Civic Si should have been a Hatchback with No moonroof and the 2.0 Turbo engine with 240 HP.
Love the look of hatchback, but the powertrain of SI. So an SI hatchback would be ideal for me.
Most people miss the purpose of the Si, light, fast around corners, + manual. Nobody is drag racing a 1.5t civic unless the whole engine is built.
Need to do a drag race with them :)
We need a drag race guys!
My 2003 Pilot EX was about $36k. You get so much less car for your money these days.
Hatchback in a heartbeat,,I dont know why people buying a sedan type..
When the hatchback hybrid coming out ??
If Honda offers Si in a hatchback, I would consider one.
I have a 2015 Accord coupe 6+6 and It's hard for me to let it go but if I had to I'd choose the hybrid sedan. I drive 64 miles total to work and back and sit in traffic going home so an auto would be nice
Wth is the point of the si anymore? Smh whats honda doing man 🤦🏾♂️ the si should be around 240hp by now. Now this new hybrid is quicker. This is like an si for the people who can’t drive manual.
Thank u !!! Exactly!!
It’s not Honda it’s them trying to comply with strict emissions laws
Hondata
I wish they would’ve used a different wheel on the hatch to differentiate it from the sedan.