History of WWI Primer 106: French RSC 1917 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Chassepot to FAMAS: French Military Rifles, 1866 - 2016
Ian McCollum
Honour Bound: The Chauchat Machine Rifle
Gerard Demaison, Yves Buffetaut
Proud Promise: French Autoloading Rifles, 1898-1979
Jean Huon
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"Paul Ribeyrolles, he was born in 1874. No clue when he passed away yet so he may still be out there." LOL
The beauty of this comment is I had a customer a couple weeks ago with this exact name. Old man as well.. I mean, not 147~. More like 80, but hey, maybe he just takes good care of himself, lol
He changed his name to Eugene Stoner....🤣
@@johnrodwell2281 People just aren't built today like they were back then. ;)
Coincidentally there are no photographs in existence showing both Ribeyrolles and Crozier at the same time … coincidence or ?
@@mooslionheart or ist it
> *just woke up, alarm still wringing*
> *C&R uploads a video on RSC 1917*
Today is a good day )))
I'm mostly here for the vegetables. the steak is a bonus.
yea, anyone can do the shooting segments it is the documentary style history I am here for.
One of the few places where the veggies outshines the steak, by a huge margin! Also, did anybody find some 32 French Longue?
This episode is pork loin with some good garlicky mashed potatoes and brussel sprouts.
I'm a gun vegetarian too...
Ain't no vegan though, I still wanna see some shootin'.
@@anthonyhayes1267 Hell yeah, baked brussel sprouts...
French ordnance: Rifle must shoot at least 20 rounds per minute
British soldier with a smle: Hold my tea
Laughs in Australian
The mad minute was mostly a party trick. For the most part, the theoretically higher rate of fire of the Lee Enfield had no real advantage in combat.
Feed me steak and veggies firearms history Othias, F E E D M E
Historical veggies are the best kind
We even get a special Italian dessert at the end of the video.
Its just creepy when you post a Garand Thumb comment on another channel.
uh oh, this shit is starting to slip into f̶l̶a̶n̶n̶e̶l̶ ̶d̶a̶d̶d̶y̶ er I mean GarandThumb territory.
That’s hot
You can also use the same logic for the MAS 44.
France, 1913: We'll have an auto loading rifle as standard issue soon!
1914: War Were Declared
France, 1938: We're working on developing an auto loading rifle to keep up with America and the USSR
1939: War Were Declared
In France we always have the best rifles ever made... only 1 year too late :p
maybe disarmament really is the road to world peace, or at least France's
Don't let France adopt rifles, just in case.
All that tells me is that France is tooo fucking slooooow on inovation.
The best rifle should NEVER be somewhere in the future., the best rifle is what you got
Honestly the Germans made the same mistake, but you can't blame them for loving the mauser action when it's used for sniper rifles to this day.
@@RazorsharpLT Germany was late to the self-loading rifle game because German doctrine didn't really have a place for them. German doctrine put a lot of importance on machine guns. Every squad had a guy with an MG and an SMG. They couldn't see a clear use-case for self-loading rifles.
Also they had a weird objection to drilling gas ports in rifles, thinking it would affect accuracy or reliability. That's why the Gewehr 41 used a "gas trap" operating system, which was known to be a bad idea even at the time.
They did eventually wise up, but too late in the war for it to matter.
Also I feel a certain moustachioed Francophile is excited to see this rifle covered
Does anyone have 32 French Longue?
Does the name of the French firearm fanatic start with the letter I?
@@nerfensaege11 possibly.....
@@nerfensaege11 Nobody really knows his full name. We only know that it starts with "I" and ends with "an McCollum".
You mean that guy who wrote a book on the subject? 😉😉😉
M1 garand: behold I am the first practical auto loading infantry rifle
RSC 1917: am I a joke to you?
It's kind of shocking to hear how this wonder-weapon prototype actually functioned enough to be worth taking into battle.
This thing is so long that if you stacked a Rosalie on it, you could stab the guy in the opposite trench without even leaving yours.
*Triumphant 'Hon-hon' noises*
Easily the modern pike.
I really like how Mae did the voice over for the animation. Keep up the great work guys. I learn a ton from these videos.
Sleep is for those not addicted to French auto-loaders. Keep up the excellent work guys!
"firearms stake is served with historical vegetables" best line ever
The May 9, 1907 issue of The Automobile has a photograph of M. Ribeyrolles displaying his car to French military cadets along with M. Darracq and M. Vacherot.
At least one of his cars still runs - the 1905 V8 world land speed record holder (122.45 miles per hour at the 1906 Daytona-Ormond trials) that Ribeyrolles designed for Darracq was restored earlier this decade.
wow 190 km/h in 1906... Very impressive
I was in sheetmetal fabrication for 20 years.
I have put your request out among former co workers.
I challenge (request ?)others in metal working to do the same .
I've been waiting years for this one. And here it is.
Also the shirt I got was great. Worth every penny
this channel is so much better than anything on cable tv. keep up the great work guys, i will continue to watch every episode you put out.
Damn the fact that I have school tomorrow!
Oh well, lunch time video it is. I can tell this will be a great video already.
Diesel Punk, it's diesel punk, steam punk is super ornate, hand crafted and brass. This metal, wood and leather, early c20th look, slightly brutalist, form follows function; it's called Diesel Punk.
Complex, looks like it's built by artisans, richly decorated - steam punk
Factory produced, over complex, brutalist - iron and leather - diesel punk.
War were declared......... .
Not necessarily, you can have brutalist steam punk as well, if the aesthetic runs towards the “dark satanic mills” version of the genre, rather than the “Victorian chic” of shiny brass, crinolines and what have you.
I consider the RSC, quite appropriately for a highly advanced WWI gun, to sit somewhere in-between steam and diesel punk aesthetics, having aspects that hark back to the long rifles and intricate (c)lock work of the 19th, as well as the advanced, more streamlined manufacturing of the 20th century. Contrast this with the more unambiguous kind of streamlined no frills look of the definite diesel punk guns of WWII (especially the MP40, Sten, and M3 submachine guns).
Sorry to break it to you, but dieselpunk isn't really a thing. Steampunk isn't fashion. Hot-gluing brass gears to something makes it stupid. It's like the fake punks of the 90s, adopting the patches and hair of the late 70s and early 80s without understanding their meaning. Steampunk is the examination and criticism of Victorian society through the lens of giving them advanced (for the time) technology. It's how cyberpunk was the examination and criticism of the last Cold War through giving the same societies advanced technology; that the stories were set in a nominal future is irrelevant. Orwell did the same with 1984, which is really about Great Britain in the 1940s and how they dabbled with fascism in all but name, even after World War II. "Punk" isn't just a word here. It's very important to the genre, with its connotations of rebellion against an oppressive society. The RSC 1917 could be considered steampunk, as it came at the very end of the Victorian period.
Dieselpunk, if it existed, would be about the interwar period. But that time - the (spits) Jazz age - has escaped the kind of advanced-technology criticism seen in steampunk and cyberpunk.
'Diesel Punk' is actually less Brutalist and more Art Deco.
@TheRealColBosch: Diesel punk most certainly exist as a genre. One classic example was the computer game Crimson Skies, which built an entire alternate world around a fragmented US necessitating a strong reliance on air transport using zeppelins, which then entailed air piracy (which was basically the game in a nutshell: An arcade’ish air combat game).
@Molly MacAlister: Just as steam punk comes in more and less “dirty” versions (as I mentioned above), so does diesel punk.
So basically, Lebel and a Chauchat had a baby. Cool!
The worst rifle of the war and one of the worst “lmgs” of the war had a baby, and it was the best rifle of the war.
@@ottovonbearsmark8876 Lebel the worst rifle? Vetterli-Carcano 1870/1878/1915 would like to have a word.
Jan Wacławik, worst *primary* rifle of the war.
@@jacobmccandles1767 Ross Rifle would like to have a word
Pijawek goid point.
The very first time Othais say "Hi" in a foreign language when introducing firearms!! Ever!!!!!!
"Bonjour, I'm Othais! And THIS is................."
°looks at the clock sees 12:02am and then 1hr video length° I will sleep when I'm dead!!! 🐻
same here
That’s what LaVazza coffee is for.
*Laughs in 3rd shift*
"Most advanced infantry rifle of the Great War[!?!]"
Pfft! Sir Charles Ross' ancestor would scuttle your domicile with a cannon over such slanderous bravado!
He said "perhaps". But for me he should have said : "the most[...]" =)
You had me at scuttle your domicile with a cannon.😂
@@LeFeuauxpoudres "Perhaps" is still "a bridge too far!"
@@7hart2 wait you really believe the Ross rifle was more advanced than the RSC 1917? huh....
@@7hart2 hang on, are you talking about his prototypes which never actually made it into the war? The machine gun in 303 British? The Huot? Or the ones which actually served in the war which were bolt action? Just curious.
Mae's hair is looking great these days, relevant as it obviously contributes to the art of working with firearms.
Looking a bit ANNA Paquin from X-Men.
That explains why Ian is so popular
1:36 he says that the historical context are veggies and you have to eat them.
Me: ommm this is why I came here
"Don't threaten me with a good time!"
FINALLY been waiting for this episode for months ever since mark did the video fixing this thing
Historical vegetables. Yet another reason why C&Rsenal is just plain fantastic.
That firing at the end though! Can't wait to hear the history on that one!
Its always a good day when a new episode of Primer is uploaded!
Been waiting for this bad boy for a while, and as always, was not disappointed.
I also love how Mae has become much more confident and animated on camera. Y'all are absolutely smashing the production value game. Makes me all the more happy that I was able to contribute to the berry campaigns.
I was waiting for this episode! Amazing!
The Carbine RSC's make me salivate, such a shame they were never mass produced.
If they were made in a better caliber they would anhilate everything else. The shoushat and bar would be blown away...
@@davitdavid7165 Chauchat, yes, BAR? Not so much.
@@nothim7321 isn't the bar really heavy and bulky for its role? And the rate of fire on the full auto seems impractical high.
@@davitdavid7165 The BAR suffers from the same issues that this gun does, that is it was the first... It was essentially a prototype. It is still in use today, as the MAG58/M240. This gun's successor's are still in use today, flip it upside down, change the bolt and connection for the op rod, and this is the AK. It is the M249. It's the first. It just needed further development.
@@davitdavid7165 the Chauchat was an almost historical dead end.
Yes, I've been waiting for this one
Been waiting for this one!
Teasing me so much on the wall, that darling has.
edit: wasn't expecting Mae during the animation, that was a pleasant and welcome surprise!
edit 2: Mae Portion Boogaloo: Mae's reaction is similar to when I got handed a classic style Browning Bar and was asked to "remove" the magazine and looked weird and made a weird follow through when the magazine hinged forward instead of popping out.
Yeah, my old man had one of those with two mags, but he learned to just hinge it down and thumb a few into the previously installed mag. Worst mag swap, ever
I have been waiting for this one, can't wait to see what you say about it!
Another great episodes I do enjoy these so much. As always keep up the great work.
The French use of these resembled that of the Red Army's use of the SVT-40, another semi-auto but used in WW2. It was also somewhat delicate and tended to be issued to NCOs or selected troops who could be trusted to look after it, although it was made in much larger numbers - well over a million were made.
Nice job guys! And kudos to Morphys. Well done.
This was excellent, well done😀 This really brought the RSCs into a light I haven't seen before😀
I have been waiting for this beautiful moment.
The content on this channel is so damn good. Bravo
My favorite feature...lack of a nylon cocking knob to slowly crack and fall apart for future collectors and shooters. Bravo for this video.
Really enjoyed that one. Thanks Y'all
Hey, you actually got an ad for this video. The first I’ve seen in 40-50 videos. Good job.👍
ive been waiting for this episode
What a cool gun from a technical aspect. Great video!
Very interesting, as usual. Thank you.
Awesome! I just got off work. Perfect timing thanks guys 👍👍😄
Btw thanks John and morphy's👍👍 that looks cool😁
I love the jab at Springfield Armory XD mod.2 with that grip zone joke. Another great episode as always though.
Great job as always, team
You should totally refer tho this improved episode of the lebel as Episode 1 Modifique 19.
Episode 1 N(new) *▲
Episode 1 Bis
I'll be a senior citizen by the time the MAS-49 video is posted but it'll be worth the wait
Awesome episode guys
Your work us amazing!!!
This guy knows his stuff thank you very much
God damn it, Beardy! First Ian made me fascinated with this and I wanted to buy it, now I know I NEED IT!
Also, BELLE ROSALIE
Paul is only 145 years old, totally still out there.
Charles Lecki well since he never died.....
BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OTHIAS SENT ME AN EARLY BIRTHDAY PRESENT
Très bien! and hope that thumb heals quickly miss Mae.
“ Chris with the stroke again “(remember?) a fascinating episode. I could follow the description, a personal victory: progresss! Thanks! Now, if I dropped enough hints on get the ‘cycle of violence’ T- shirt, we are getting somewhere! Thanks!
*insert happy dance here* I've had a bad past 3 days... So I needed the sultry tones of the Othais, and whimsical parlance of Mae... Bring on the History!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the history
I have bought from both Morphy and RI and all I can say about them is they are both fantastic, great service, great shipping, great service after the sale. I have never been unhappy with anything I have bought from them.
Ooooo I'm looking forwards to that episode!!!!
39:21
Thank you such much for reminding me Othias 🙃
This almost sounds like a DMR in application with how it was issued amongst the troops.
THIS is tied for my Dream gun between the RSC, M1918 tank gewehr and M1895 Winchester Russian contract even if I was a billionaire I’d rather have one of these over transferables
If I was a billionaire I'd get someone to make me a Bergman in 9mm.
Ian's gun and Othias's pokey hands make a great team.
Thanks to the C^Rsenal team. I had never heard of this beastie before. A fascinating look at what the French WANTED versus what they had to USE. A couple years of troops trials would probably have corrected many of the faults of the 1917, although the French responded pretty quickly (for a government at war) in rectifying things and getting the 1918 into production quickly. Despite the French Army jokes that have gone the rounds in the US, the US Army was VERY influenced by the French Army, especially in the early 20th Century. I would give the opinion that the French interest in a self-loading rifle had to provide some of the support for the project that ended up producing the Rifle, Cal..30, M1. That makes theRSC even more significant to firearms history.
Great Thank You!!!
Always been fascinated by this rifle definitely ahead of its time. Also fascinated by the goshdang Villar Perosa can’t wait for that one good lord!!
Each time im here for the historic and my greens are the shooting and ergonomics
Any rifle that WORKED with the 8mm Lebel... has my respect. I have reloaded for this round and it is ... not a easy round to work with.... Well Done folks. This was informative, and added to history. My Compliments...
Any tips or things you accidentally discovered while reloading it?
@@kylebradley3 Don't reload it.
It's quite interesting that we went from muzzleloaders to this in ~50 years.
not exactly, the chronology is more along:
first breechloader: Dreyse 1841 (73 years before the Mle 1917)
first metalic cartridge rifle: Springfield 1866 (48 years)
first repeating rifle: Vetterli 1867 (47 years)
first smokeless rifle: Lebel 1886 (28 years)
first en-bloc clip rifle: Mannlicher 1866 (28 years)
Max Heh, 1860 Henry had metallic cartridges. '66 Allin Conversion Trapdoor isn't the first.
Even more interesting is the fact that ~50 years after this (Late 60s) the Battle Rifle still ruled supreme.
Kayraaa2 metallic cartridges had existed before the Henry in the form of pin fire cartridges
Max the Dreyse was not mass issued in 1841. In the 1860s the majority of the worlds militaries were still armed with mussleloaders
Hagen True, but those were for revolvers, not infantry rifles, right?
By the way, Did this thing inspire J.C. Garand?
9 & 1/4 "freedom units" made me laugh so much. I like using Freedom Unit measurement.
A rifle I did NOT know existed. Thanks, Othias.
yes, all semi-auto's mitigate recoil. jc garand's weapon shoots noticeably softer that a Springfield 03 for sure.
Deep dive on the RSC, YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSS!!!
thanks
Would love to see a series about inter-war firearms development whenever you guys are done with WW1. Also guns from the late 40's to the fifties would be super neat, last gasps of military bolt guns and the dawn of the "battle rifles". Also also Civil war guns would be super neato.
How fitting to see Monsieur Ribeyrolles belatedly get his due. I'll be sure to let him know at our squash match next week. He will be most pleased.
4:15 This patent drawing is fascinating. It''s like an R. Wilson style buttstock magazine crossed with a (side fed?)Lee-type internal one, feeding into a Chaffee-Reese track feed system, but attached to a semiautomatic.
Waiting for this one. Thank the rifle and beard gods.
Still waiting for the Schwarzlose machine guns and the 1915 Bergmann.
I'm also curious to see Mae's grinning if you ever get your hands on a working Fedorov Avtomat.
At last there is a critique i feel the urge to air. When it comes to the final question of all questions i noticed a pattern over the course of all the primer episodes. Whenever there is a gun you like most or have your prejudices both of you become either nitpicky over some minor issues to toss a gun out the "top ten" or in case of the RSC17 suddenly throw in a "measurement" you did not bring up before. In this case the tactical view upon a squad in support of a gun, which most likely will have a malfunction rather sooner than later.
Aside of that i do enjoy the historical review of guns and the related technology and inventiveness i probably will never have the chance to enjoy in person. Keep up the great work.
Seeing Mae struggle a bit to open the „basket“ during the discussion, the first thing that came to my mind: „i wouldn't want to try that with cold wet hands….“
That musketoon looked cool as frig.
As a frenchman I think "La Chanson de Craonne" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Chanson_de_Craonne - could be a good french song for a 1917 rifle.
A translation of lyrics
The Song of Craonne
When after eight days, the rest over
We go take back the trenches,
Our place is so useful
That without us we'd get crushed
But that's over, we've had enough
No one wants to march any more
And with a heavy heart, as if in a weep
We say farewell to civvies
Even without drums, even without trumpets
We climb up there, keeping our heads down
- Chorus :
Farewell to life, farewell to love,
Farewell to all women
It's all over, it's forever
For this infamous war
It's at Craonne on the plateau
That we must kick the bucket
Because we're all condemned
We're the sacrificed
Eight days of trench, eight days of suffering
But we still have hope
That tonight will come the relief
That we're waiting without truce
Suddenly in the night and in silence
We see someone approaching
That's an officer of rifles
Who comes to replace us
Softly in the shadow under the falling rain
The little rifles are looking for their graves
- Chorus
It's sad to see on the main boulevards
All these fat ones partying
If for them life is great
For us, it's not the same thing
Instead of hiding, all these shirkers
Had better climb to the trenches
To defend their ownings, for we own nothing
We the poor miserous
All the comrades are buried there
To defend the ownings of these gentlemen
- Chorus :
Those who've got the dough, they'll come back
For it's for them we die
But it's over, because the soldiers
Will all go on strike
It'll be your turn, fat gentlemen
To climb on the plateau
For if you want to do war
Pay it with your own blood
a French audio of this song : th-cam.com/video/z-yRaEYQNQs/w-d-xo.html
that musketoon looked badass.
Yes BF1 brought me here years ago... and I have been waiting for this episode! Love learning about these historic firearms despite my contrary feelings about guns ;)
What are your feelings?
Ah yes. A "Gripzone" for bayonet fighting. Now I understand why Springfield did it.
GRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE
It needs giant lettering
Highway to the Grippin' Zone!
*GRIP* *ZOOOOOONNNNEEEE*
It's like Christmas every 2 weeks. I wait in anticipation for the YouTuЬе notification. Othias and Mae, I promote your channel at every turn. Keep up the excitement and excellent work!!
Sure, a 1917 rifle may have been the most advanced rifle in French service at the start of WWII, but it still one of the most advanced in the world.
The Garand was adopted in 1937, but was the deeply flawed gas trap version. It wouldn't be until 1940 that the gas port Garand was entering service.
The SVT-38 is the only other semi-automatic rifle I am aware of in real service, and it was also deeply flawed leading to the SVT-40.
Freedom units is now how I will refer to pounds in the future.
Dee Oh Dee some people use Moon Walker Units. 🤪
If you're going to use a patently stupid system of weights and measures, you might has well go full-throttle. 9.5lbs is 3325 scruples.
@@wembleyford "stupid"
@@hunterbidensschooldumpster9031 yup, measuring shit in fractions of sixteenths and twelfths of things is real stupid.
@@wembleyford makes perfect sense to me. Imo better 4.8 inches than 122mm. Smaller number. Idk. I think it's stupid to call things that aren't stupid, stupid.
If you could get your hand on 1918, I think it would be a cool idea to compare them and release that as sort of bonus video, addendum to the main series.
Patiently waiting on the new episode while rewatching this one lol. I'm officially a C&Rsenal junkie.
When the SA80 started to be issued, the LSW was the version they were most focused on keeping running (they were less concerned with the rifle). So the LSW gunner was issued spare firing pins, gas plugs, recoil rods etc. I'm willing to bet the RSC gunner was the same and had the spares and extra training to keep the weapon system firing.
Maybe somebody else has mentioned it already, but that magazine actually immediately reminds me of an SKS. You can load it the same way, just with loose rounds instead of an en bloc clip. Probably the easiest way if you don't have stripper clips handy.
That is a very cool rifle.
You should do videos on the Swiss Rifles and pistols . They are very interesting and high quality.
Oooh! Mae's narrating the animation! That's new. Or is it? I feel like I should know whether y'all've done that before considering how many times I rewatch these Primer episodes.