American Rifles & Shotguns of World War 1 I THE GREAT WAR Special feat. C&Rsenal

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  • Othais from C&Rsenal tells Indy all about American rifles and shotguns from World War 1.
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  • @scheewheed8285
    @scheewheed8285 6 ปีที่แล้ว +513

    “Give us a semi-auto”
    “Here’s a bolt action”
    Lmao, reminds me of the time when I was told bring 2 pencils but I brought 1 ballpen

    • @MrPaul-bn9cl
      @MrPaul-bn9cl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Look, everyone gets a bolt action, and everyone is gonna damn well like it!

    • @Crimethoughtfull
      @Crimethoughtfull 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      BAR meets an M14?? I'm so confused...

    • @DarnedYankee
      @DarnedYankee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Sean
      Don't tell the marines that, they'll actually try it!

    • @charlesnichols3204
      @charlesnichols3204 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MrPaul-bn9cl ppl llll

    • @kingmichealthefirstofroman2278
      @kingmichealthefirstofroman2278 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean bring two bolt actions but you brought an auto loader

  • @phprofYT
    @phprofYT 6 ปีที่แล้ว +371

    "Hold on guys. I have to dry out my shotgun ammo before we attack."

    • @AlexDiaz-hl8qx
      @AlexDiaz-hl8qx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      A Physics Professor and then the brass shell was born

    • @R281
      @R281 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just dry them in the fire.

    • @secretbaguette
      @secretbaguette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *BLOWDRIES SHOTGUN SHELLS WITH TRENCH RAIDING INTENT*

    • @KBell119
      @KBell119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Paper hulls were were pretty much the standard up until plastic hulls first appeared in the 1960s.

    • @kingmichealthefirstofroman2278
      @kingmichealthefirstofroman2278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *loads brass shotgun shells*

  • @snowwhite7677
    @snowwhite7677 6 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    Note: The people who like the Krag were not forced to use it in a War.

    • @Life4Metalcore
      @Life4Metalcore 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Snow White i can’t imagine the fouling from hand loading in the trenches

    • @anthonyhayes1267
      @anthonyhayes1267 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I like it simply from a sportsman's perspective

    • @semperfi1587
      @semperfi1587 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What about the soldiers in the Spanish-American War?

    • @ÀngryŊoodle
      @ÀngryŊoodle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@semperfi1587 I have heard stories of troops Ditching krags for Spanish rifles but I can't find sources

    • @CdogofNod1
      @CdogofNod1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ÀngryŊoodle I heard that too, though I also heard that they didn't care for the mauser's recoil.

  • @charlesinglin
    @charlesinglin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    One of those curious facts: When the British lost much of their equipment at Dunkirk the US sent them M1917 Enfield from US war reserves, ultimately somewhere near 1 million. Because of the difference in caliber they were issued to the Home Guard, freeing up .303 rifles for more pressing needs, becoming the Home Guard's primary long arm. This also contributed to those famous photos of US recruits drilling with dummy rifles until new production replaced the war reserves.

    • @Railhog2102
      @Railhog2102 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We also supplied them with lots of Thompsons and 1911s too

    • @teufelhund4921
      @teufelhund4921 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      They dumped those rifles into the Atlantic after the war. Thats gratitude for you...

    • @slamblamboozled1245
      @slamblamboozled1245 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@teufelhund4921 Well they were obsolete and unneeded.

    • @hasaki5474
      @hasaki5474 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Couldve been sold to the civilian populace instead i suppose

    • @slamblamboozled1245
      @slamblamboozled1245 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @William Wykoff No. I gave a pretty clear, rational reason.

  • @nate_thealbatross
    @nate_thealbatross 6 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    Paper cartridges.
    In trench warfare.
    *stares*
    I'm guessing that the swearing from people issued paper cartridges was audible from space. That is windows on a submarine level stupid.

    • @Anomaly188
      @Anomaly188 6 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      After watching so many episodes of the Great War series it's pretty universal that the decision-makers in WW1 were drooling dipshits.

    • @riograndedosulball248
      @riograndedosulball248 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Noo... Windows in a submarine can have some utilities. Copying a typical phrase from my country, it's like a car horn... In an aeroplane

    • @LOUDcarBOMB
      @LOUDcarBOMB 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There are windows on a submarine that are universal still to today since they're called periscopes (they're also mirrored as well).

    • @Flight_of_Icarus
      @Flight_of_Icarus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I mean it's far from the first dumb decision in WWI. Regardless, this is more of a military supply problem than a bad tactical choice or anything. They used what they had, and what they had was commercially produced paper cartridges. It probably was some army quartermaster arguing that "well they did fine in the last war, and they're easier to get!"

    • @gf4670
      @gf4670 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Flight_of_Icarus Yeah. In the 19th Century they used brass shells when shotguns were basically all break action. They were basically just giant shell casings crimped shut. When the pump actions came in is when you really saw paper cartridges become preferred. Why they didn't go with brass shells for the trench guns I don't really know, especially if they were getting a ton of complaints, other than they really weren't different from commercial guns and the action possibly couldn't handle the weight or rigidity of the brass. Or they just didn't care, which is likely in the military.

  • @golddog0113
    @golddog0113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    I'm sad that this show will be over in November

    • @golddog0113
      @golddog0113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's when ww2 ended

    • @golddog0113
      @golddog0113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Hey lol I meant ww1. 1 is right beside the 2!😂

    • @golddog0113
      @golddog0113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh ok I didn't know that

    • @golddog0113
      @golddog0113 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah smh....

    • @jorda.2412
      @jorda.2412 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Opposite of the vets take

  • @quantitativeease
    @quantitativeease 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I love Othias and I am glad this episode was so long, because I hope to eventually watch the unedited videos with him. I am from the South and I miss great fried chicken among other things. I appreciate Othias's nerdiness and great research. He's way better than Tales of the Gun. Anyone who loves peace but also physics and engineering cannot help but find military technology fascinating, so I appreciated his last remark.

  • @panavista70mm29
    @panavista70mm29 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love the content and loads of information each video , keep it going ;)

  • @baron_von_brunk
    @baron_von_brunk 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    16:29 - Pun intended?

  • @jphil-mk8bw
    @jphil-mk8bw ปีที่แล้ว

    6:02 “yo fr tho this rifle be straight bussin”

  • @trapperscout2046
    @trapperscout2046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The army that gave paper shotgun cartridges to it's troops for trench combat is the same army that would issue "Universal" Camouflage Pattern uniforms to its troops for desert combat three-quarters of a century later.

  • @pudgeboyardee32
    @pudgeboyardee32 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about rice? Soldiers in SE asia mightve stored their ammo in rice to keep it dry. Any reports of that? Might help explain how exactly they managed to keep rounds dry during periods of longer exposure.

  • @Railhog2102
    @Railhog2102 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    My fav is the springfield and some of my friends trained on it prior to the transitioning to the M1 Garand.

  • @willsee1822
    @willsee1822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My great grandfather wrote in his diary of carrying a karg in France. While on MP duty in the great war.

  • @natelowman7646
    @natelowman7646 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey I remember you said this would come! Glad to see it! Keep up the awesome work Indy and crew! You guys have put me ahead of my history class!😂

  • @jacrispy3275
    @jacrispy3275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Germany: no trenchguns, ist cruel and inhumane.
    America: *how bout I do anyway?*

  • @moosemaimer
    @moosemaimer 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Mythbusters tested shooting live grenades with different guns, and shotguns effectively dismantled them and prevented an explosion. High-velocity rifle rounds produced enough of an impact to detonate the main charge, much like a tannerite bomb.

    • @andreivaldez2929
      @andreivaldez2929 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      moosemaimer Yeah but how often is someone going to throw a grenade high enough for someone who just happens to be at the ready with his shotgun to shoot it in midair? It could possibly have happened but it's not something that's practical.

  • @cavscout888
    @cavscout888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The British didn't design the 1917 or even the 1913/14. They actually took Springfield 1903 rifles, the physical rifles, and made as many of their desired changes as they could without actually having to really do any design work. They never 'designed it for modern manufacturing.' It already was, because it was an American designed rifle.

    • @atfyoutubedivision955
      @atfyoutubedivision955 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not even close. The patern 13/14 were designed in the UK, the 1903 had nothing to do with it.

    • @cavscout888
      @cavscout888 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@atfyoutubedivision955 It's documented dude. This is why the P13 is just a Springfield 1903 and only the 'requirements' implemented for the 'P13' were ones that you could unskillfully tack on to a 1903. Even the bend in the charging handle was lazy.

  • @markfutchll8141
    @markfutchll8141 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most of the army units were still armed with the trap door Springfield that's another reason

  • @davidc.g.1952
    @davidc.g.1952 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I attended FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center) for Border Patrol we had to shoot trap with 12 pellet OO buck. With practice it is not that hard so hitting a grenade is very possible.

    • @Pijawek
      @Pijawek 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is possible to hit when you know it's coming. If you jist notice it in the corner of your eye and don't have your gun and muscles ready you're pretty much fucked. Also, even if you hit a grenade it can still explode and hirt you

    • @ferdonandebull
      @ferdonandebull 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do it hot, do it wet, do it sick, do it scared, do it from port arms..
      Not impossible but not trap either..

  • @kf7bqz
    @kf7bqz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting the m1916 nagant wasnt mentioned

  • @fightingbear8537
    @fightingbear8537 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video 👍

  • @jonathanjones3623
    @jonathanjones3623 ปีที่แล้ว

    I mean othius is pretty correct my great-grandfather fought in the American expeditionary force during the first world war and he could personally attest that shotgun shells could be ineffective if moisture got in there.
    He was a hunter from West Virginia from childhood and what he would do is he would not leave his shells in his Remington Model 11 that he took with him he would keep the shells out of the gun and in his rucksack and it was only when combat or circumstances would arise that he would need it that he would actually load them up.
    Overall were shotguns probably not as effective during the first world war as oatthias put it probably but nevertheless I'm sure it was a comfort to my great-grandfather and soldiers that had them an additional weapon system that at close range has Undisputed results.
    But the thing I read about the first world war continuously is the battlefield was a mess both scope and scale the strategies and tactics had not been completely worked out and it was the reason for the stalemate still a scatterguns value cannot be underestimated especially in the hands of an experienced professionals.
    You go to war with the Army the guns the ships the equipment that you have and then you figure it out as you go

  • @timhimes3649
    @timhimes3649 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoying the show, I have a 10 gauge flare pistol made by Remington for use in WW1I really can’t find any information. I’ve contacted Remington and they really have nothing either. Can you maybe find more information on this.

  • @milankolarski8876
    @milankolarski8876 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys, awesome video as usual. I just wonder how long does it take to clean all of those guns and rifles ? I mean the properly cleaning (the leaky tube and the rest of the guns and rifles). :D

  • @rue23ko
    @rue23ko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    22:55

  • @tommydotyjr.2966
    @tommydotyjr.2966 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Overall breautiful video, but one single piece of criticism No mention of the slam-fire possibility with the M1897?

  • @harrymichaels3877
    @harrymichaels3877 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Because the 1917 could hold 6 shots were the soldiers who were issued them also given them some loose ammo to add the 6th shot?

  • @motherhorsefucker
    @motherhorsefucker 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought the Germans specifically called American shotguns inhumane weapons because the lead shot deformed somewhat when fired. This is true but I don't think it was indented at all in the design. Besides, a hand grenade or other explosive device is using deformed lead to cause casualties. Love these videos, I rarely get to see Othias give such an overview of smalls arms impact on the war and generalize about weapons.

  • @apg2141
    @apg2141 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So the M1917 is basically A British Rifle in 30-06 rather than .303

  • @connorbabcook1412
    @connorbabcook1412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    19:32 lol

  • @boomslangCA
    @boomslangCA 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Othais... just curious, is it known who invented the stripper clip?

    • @TheAngelobarker
      @TheAngelobarker 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      boomslangCA manlicher I think

    • @HBK-6S
      @HBK-6S 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheAngelobarker Mannlicher invented the en bloc, the first stripper clips were used on the Mauser Model 1889

    • @loumcgopher1273
      @loumcgopher1273 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm more interested in who invented the strip club

  • @johnqpublic2718
    @johnqpublic2718 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yay!

  • @zoperxplex
    @zoperxplex 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Model 1917 Enfield. The best bolt action service rifle ever.

  • @jeremiahpeters1352
    @jeremiahpeters1352 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my studies I have only found that shotguns were mainly used for shooting potato mashers back away from the trenches and the orders were very small compared to almost every other weapon

    • @jeremiahpeters1352
      @jeremiahpeters1352 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also the brass rounds also hade paper wads to hold the shot

  • @altonfrancisco8027
    @altonfrancisco8027 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    BTW love the show!

  • @spencerhanni6984
    @spencerhanni6984 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    USA baby!!! Love my 1917 Enfield and 1903A3.

  • @deutschland403o2
    @deutschland403o2 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss Indy

  • @Jake-oz5mg
    @Jake-oz5mg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Shot guns were disliked because they made it nearly impossible to treat the wounded and that a rifle or bayonette could do everything they could but you'd have a chance in hospital if you were hit by those and not a shot gun. Gas was justified by the fact that both sides used it and that the French started it with a non lethal gas first, furthermore it was claimed that gas was not manufactured to kill soldiers but to force them to leave their positions. Sorta how white phosphorous is justified today as a smoke screen when in reality it's a horrible chemical weapon

    • @thomasdemay9805
      @thomasdemay9805 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      all explosives are "chemical weapons" in that respect and the hype about white phosphorous is blown out of proportion.

    • @MarvinCZ
      @MarvinCZ 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In martial law, white phosphorus is not classified as a chemical weapon, it is classified as an incendiary weapon. It is "legal" to use directly against the enemy as such, just not near civilians.

    • @MrPaul-bn9cl
      @MrPaul-bn9cl 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Obviously making chlorine into a gas was just to keep heads down... -.-
      Mustard gas, sure... If you didn't drown in your own muscuous-filled lungs, of course, but gas was used to kill, I mean come on.

  • @g.m.3285
    @g.m.3285 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the U.S. had to pay Mauser for violation of the patent.

  • @StevenTheAristolianNerd
    @StevenTheAristolianNerd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andy looks so nervous.

  • @clover4522
    @clover4522 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why didn't you guys cover the Winchester M1892 and M1894? Those were American lever-action rifles and carbines that were used in auxiliary roles.

    • @BassicBear
      @BassicBear 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Clover The Gun Nut maybe because they don't have 87 hours to cover every rifle, shotgun, pistol, tooth and nail ever used in the war, so they cover those that, like, were used?

    • @clover4522
      @clover4522 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BassicBear Wow dude, why so rude? I asked one question. Plus the Krag was barely used but was put in the video so your point doesn't make much sense

    • @Bruciando
      @Bruciando 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually, Othias stated right up front that he was only including the Krag because it generates soooo much interest, despite the fact that it barely qualifies as a WW1 issue arm. The Winchester model 1892 & '94 rifles weren't adopted by the U.S. [so no "M" designation]; they were used [along with other Winchester designs] as auxiliary arms by the English & French forces, but that was mostly to utilize them in roles they were better suited to and free up the standard rifles of the respective services for use at the front. All of which is the sort of detail you can find over on C&Rsenal, but ill-suited to the necessarily cursory coverage of the topic on these brief cross-over episodes.

    • @clover4522
      @clover4522 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bruciando The "M" doesn't mean military designation all the time. Most of the time it just means Model hence Model 1894. The gun didn't come out as Winchester 1894, that's just a nickname. Full name is Winchester M1894

    • @clover4522
      @clover4522 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bruciando Also clearly you didn't read my comment. I literally said used as auxiliary rifles and carbines, so it should get at least some mention.

  • @timwodzynski7234
    @timwodzynski7234 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The Germans complaing about morality 😂 when they were the first side to start using mustard gas tsk tsk.

    • @spethmanjones2997
      @spethmanjones2997 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Tim Wodzynski we should have just made more lethal shotgun shells in response lol

    • @NC-vl1ru
      @NC-vl1ru 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the french were

    • @shawngilliland243
      @shawngilliland243 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And unrestricted submarine warfare, and the flamethrower; not to mention the atrocities they committed against Belgian and French civilians - they should have kept such nonsense to themselves!

    • @shawngilliland243
      @shawngilliland243 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Nick Clement - the French were the first to use gas, yes, however, it was non-lethal tear gas.

    • @MrBigCookieCrumble
      @MrBigCookieCrumble 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@shawngilliland243 I mean if i remember correctly from this channel's own episodes, the whole "rape of belgium" was like 90% a propaganda thing made up by britain wasnt it?

  • @melriely
    @melriely 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My grandpa has a 1903 Springfield

  • @Tysandifer
    @Tysandifer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Halo sights..your welcome

  • @jpmtlhead39
    @jpmtlhead39 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Springfield copy the Mauser action,has the experpts must know.

  • @danielespinolajr1
    @danielespinolajr1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do Portuguese rifles

  • @Brian0wns
    @Brian0wns 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do some of these weapons count as antiques? Because then they would not be under as strict registration as modern fire arms .... Asking for a friend.

    • @nicholasdecastro9562
      @nicholasdecastro9562 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, all of these were made after 1899.

    • @BigThree4Ever
      @BigThree4Ever 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The air service rifle might qualify for the "curio" category as its monetary value exceeds its value as a firearm/weapon

  • @drnemoali
    @drnemoali 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can see how it could be believed though. For a European who has little to no experience with a shotgun, coming across a soldier killed or wounded by one, or, seeing one in action against your squad would be quite shocking. Imagine the terror of a trench raid complemented with the roar of a shotgun and the grievous injury. I wouldn't be surprised if the Germans complained (though mainly to counter bad press) because the few deaths by shotgun that did occur made quite the local stir which quickly was passed up the ladder. As for paper shells, I had heard that. Would it be possible that men bought better shells on their own accord to use in combat? I am not questioning the facts you state (soldiers' complaints and ineffectiveness with shotguns being well documented). If you could buy your own trench knife from "home" why not effective shotgun shells? Did shells effective in wet environments even exist at the time? How familiar would your average German or Austrian soldier be with shotguns? I've been lead to believe they were not nearly as common on the continent as in North America. Anyone with some real insight is welcome to chime in.

    • @drnemoali
      @drnemoali 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I should say that I am very familiar with the damage shotguns can do. I know they don''t have 4 foot spreads of shot. I know a rifle or pistol can be just as deadly and devastating, or more, depending on gun. I know all about their limitations. I do know they make quite an impression up close and in person though.

    • @BigWillyG1000
      @BigWillyG1000 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You might be on to something with the different aspect of look. Supposedly a Macedonian king was horrified by his casualties after fighting Romans because the gladius, especially when used to hack made dramatically different wounds from the thrust of a narrow sarissa. A sarissa made a hole you bleed out from. Used to thrust a gladius did much the same but getting it out made a twist liable to disembowel even if the guy was dead and used for hacking a gladius was like a modern machete.
      I could see shotguns being similar.

  • @paulyb7267
    @paulyb7267 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    During the cold war, if ww3 had broken out (without nukes) what would be the outcome of this war and how devastating would this war (without the use of nuclear weapons) have been?

    • @hatefulhermit673
      @hatefulhermit673 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      very.

    • @VersusARCH
      @VersusARCH 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Korea... Vietnam...

    • @Bruciando
      @Bruciando 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pauly: you're unclear on the nature of the cold war and what "WW3 breaking out" would have meant: the armed forces of the Soviet & ChiCom empires were predicated upon massive conscripted manpower numbers: the much smaller professional armed forces of the West had little chance against those overwhelming odds without the utilization of the tactical nukes in their supply chain. This is part of the reason President Jimmy Carter [a wonderful human being] displaced Ulysses S. Grant as the worst U.S. President in history [as determined by professional historians, not armchair bozos like me] when Mr. Carter unilaterally declared we would not utilize the neutron-bomb [which was purpose-designed for the tactical nuke role.] He made many other woefully-poor decisions in office [like turning his back on our S. Korean allies, etc.] which is what led to Reagan's landslide victory over him in the 1980 election.

    • @VersusARCH
      @VersusARCH 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bruciando you are unaware that presidents are just the fronts. Real power lays with the deep state complex of military strategists, financial moguls and of course the omnipowerful hidden pretorian guard of NSA, none of which you really choose on any elections, but they do choose who runs for president and can also replace the one chosen if he does not fall in line, as most dramatically seen in Dallas, but also you have Nixon's impeachment, warning affairs with Clinton and others...

    • @heavypupper1219
      @heavypupper1219 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      How about WW1+WW2 *10?

  • @sxleong
    @sxleong 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did krags suck so badly compared to spanish mausers? How were they bad, like, in what way?

    • @ABowlofPho
      @ABowlofPho 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cartridge was decent although could have been better, the rimmed cartridge and single loading magazine system was inferior in reliability and speed compared to the stripper clip fed Mausers using rimless rounds, which minimized rimlock which can be a thing if you rush and load a Krag slightly off.

    • @sxleong
      @sxleong 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      A Bowl of Pho ok

  • @556deltawolf
    @556deltawolf 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So the problem with WW1 shotguns is a problem that persists to this day in the army. We want a nice effective weapon but we don't wanna spend a lot of money on the ammo. I understand the cost of ammo can build up in the long run but the government's of militaries are notorious for using the shittiest ammo as the standard.

    • @Quickshot0
      @Quickshot0 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, it does actually still have to work in the end. Ammo that doesn't work is money wasted after all.

  • @davidjacobsen8101
    @davidjacobsen8101 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    34th

  • @Mason-zp8yb
    @Mason-zp8yb 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    If only Teddy was president and not that coward Woodrow we would have been in the war day 1.

  • @king-oreos4003
    @king-oreos4003 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Notices that the black guys got the heavier gun

    • @andreivaldez2929
      @andreivaldez2929 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      king oreos Most of them did. The 1917 Enfield was essentially the primary weapon used by US infantrymen during that war.

    • @Bruciando
      @Bruciando 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually, "the black guys" mostly got stuck with support roles [cooking, digging latrines, etc] 'cause the endemically racist white soldiers didn't want to do them. The one's that saw front line duty largely did so in collaboration with French army units who weren't as prone to persecution. Watch the episode on John Pershing for more deets...

    • @kodycross9144
      @kodycross9144 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you paid attention to the vid it wasn't just the black guys. The P17 was by far the most issued rifle. To black and white units.

  • @hankw69
    @hankw69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    I had a 1917 Remington/Enfield, USMC. it was a beautiful, family heirloom with unit stamps. Several years ago it was stolen by meth-head trash along with my 1950's, pump action, 22 and never recovered. Probably sold for drug money. what a waste...

  • @Wladislav
    @Wladislav 6 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    Interesting to hear that the shotguns were so unpopular in WWI.

    • @DarnedYankee
      @DarnedYankee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      As the Europeans would say: "Completely uncivilized"

    • @loetzcollector466
      @loetzcollector466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Evolved Dragon They have their time and place. The Great War was not it.

    • @Goatzies
      @Goatzies 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      It wasn’t the guns themselves, but the ammo: the shot shells were made out of paper, so in the wet trenches, yeah, not so effective.

    • @cdeezy2718
      @cdeezy2718 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who wants a shotgun when u got a KAR, and dual pistols

    • @Wladislav
      @Wladislav 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@cdeezy2718 and grenades, loads of grenades!

  • @sans8758
    @sans8758 5 ปีที่แล้ว +318

    Germans: “trench guns are illegal in warfare and are cruel weapons”
    America: shame

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      To be fair, getting hit by 00 buck at long range is never going to kill someone, but it is going maim and cause undue harm and wounding.
      From that perspective I can understand the Germans saying they're cruel weapons. But I also agree with the US war department when they said the wounding is no different than shrapnel.

    • @Brandon210-q4n
      @Brandon210-q4n 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      @@planescaped In my opinion, the Germans had forfeited the moral high ground when they used poison gas.

    • @gunslinger1824
      @gunslinger1824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brandon Korner well said

    • @adolfgaming1761
      @adolfgaming1761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Sans let me introduce my ... FLAMMENWERFER!

    • @thestaubful
      @thestaubful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@adolfgaming1761 Flammenwerfer, a classic. It werfs the Flammen. :D

  • @stephengalindo6340
    @stephengalindo6340 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Inaccutate over 1400 yards. You cant hardly SEE that far in the first place!

    • @RobbyGAMEZ
      @RobbyGAMEZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      They were using vickers guns and other machine guns to fire a mile or more, sometimes pointing the barrels at extreme angles so the bullets rained down in an area to deny ground to the enemy. At the end of the day these were not meant to be used to kill individuals at that range. You've got to imagine a line of hundreds of guys with their sights set at a single range firing all at once at targets very far away. It's primarily going to keep German heads down while mortars and artillery find their range

  • @adolfgaming1761
    @adolfgaming1761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    “So were goin’ into a muddy rainy terrain?”
    “Yes”
    “With paper cartridges?”
    “Yes?”
    “Cool thanks, can i sign my death certificate?”
    “Yes”

  • @roberthoyer3835
    @roberthoyer3835 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I briefly owned a pattern 14 in Afghanistan. It was found by one of the teams and kept as a curiosity. The theory is that it was a surplus weapon given to the Afghan army by the British and found its way into a farmer/militant’s hands where it was captured. As it was still in working order, I wasn’t allowed to bring it home. As far as I know, it’s floating somewhere around Bagram airfield today...

    • @thekalamazookid4481
      @thekalamazookid4481 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's a damn shame man, we couldn't even take knives home when I was there. I hate how soft the U.S is getting/ has gotten. Especially here in NY it seems like they want to ban everything. What happened to freedom of choice.

  • @juicynarwal6272
    @juicynarwal6272 6 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    Speaking of those combat shotguns, those things were so popular here that it left a lasting impression on our military. Most of our security guards use either modernised versions or the exact same shotgun.
    EDIT: from the Philippines.

    • @HaggisNinja
      @HaggisNinja 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Juicy Narwal where is “here?”

    • @juicynarwal6272
      @juicynarwal6272 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      General_Fratton ah sorry forgot to mention, the security business is very big here in the Philippines, and nearly every company uses those shotguns (either modernised or exact same model) with their guards or very rarely an AR gun.

    • @juicynarwal6272
      @juicynarwal6272 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      jake jones no but my point is that us Filipinos liked it so much, that even decades after the Americans left, there is still widespread use despite the fact it comes from WWI.

    • @scheewheed8285
      @scheewheed8285 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Seems agreeable, I saw multiple guards with those shotguns guarding a man adding cash into an ATM

    • @fightingbear8537
      @fightingbear8537 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The shotgun was the gun that really won the west!

  • @nate_thealbatross
    @nate_thealbatross 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Number of successful hits past 1,400 yards with incorrectly calibrated sight is equal to the number with a correctly calibrated sight.

  • @LN37275
    @LN37275 6 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    In 2120 are you going to start a WW3 show?

    • @heavypupper1219
      @heavypupper1219 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hah lol I hope. I feel it would be more 2119 tho

    • @cousinbocephus8226
      @cousinbocephus8226 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As far as i know ww3 is gonna be the end due to slangin nukes at each other but i would hope so

    • @digi7altrauma792
      @digi7altrauma792 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Can't wait to hear about space force gunners complaining because they asked for full auto laser blasters, and were given bolt action laser blasters instead.

    • @flipvdfluitketel867
      @flipvdfluitketel867 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@digi7altrauma792 with paper cartridges

    • @schottiey
      @schottiey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do not know with what weaponsWorld War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stone! ~ Albert Einstein

  • @timex513
    @timex513 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    see folks what we have here is a simple shotgun with a point and click interface.

  • @LtJackboot
    @LtJackboot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    14:57 'Now in terms of long-arms we are out of rifles'. Me, looking behind him says, really?

  • @jimmym5262
    @jimmym5262 6 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Maybe most don’t but I have one of my great uncles personal war diary from ww1 and he was issued a shotgun and 1911 as a bugler. He liked it according to his diary. It could sweep a whole trench if he got the jump on them apparently. But before he was captured he tossed it away as he heard shotgun soldiers were killed and not captured. Whether that was true or not that is what he was told. He was given brass shells though as far as I remember from reading the diary as it’s been a while

    • @BassicBear
      @BassicBear 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Brass shells would be correct. It is true that ze Germans didn't like shotgunners. "Sweep the whole trench"? If granddad was a boss, it's not impossible.

    • @jimmym5262
      @jimmym5262 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      BassicBear well he was a marksman with it before the war as my great uncles and grandfather also went on the poncho villa expedition and had to practice for horse to horse combat with them. Had to ride their horse all the way down from Hartford to Mexico which is ridiculous.

    • @BassicBear
      @BassicBear 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@jimmym5262 sure

    • @jimmym5262
      @jimmym5262 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      BassicBear that’s what I was told over the years that is. They were national guard so kinda got the cheap end of everything. From what i was told they stopped and trained along the way but took months. But that’s what I’ve been told. I wasn’t there watching in 1917.

    • @Jarod-vg9wq
      @Jarod-vg9wq 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He probably only spend a few weeks or months in pow camps.

  • @zeuovelightning3510
    @zeuovelightning3510 6 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Hey Indy could you do WWI knives and trench clubs? Please

    • @gokuss15
      @gokuss15 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Zuove Lightning they did. It was a collaboration with inrangetv, it’s over on their channel.

  • @TOTALLYsup
    @TOTALLYsup 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    LOL Othais just gotta show off his Air-Service.

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Considering that the standard German rifle had sights that were useless at less than 400 yards (?), the paper shotgun shell problem was just a minor SNAFU.

  • @Bullheadrecords
    @Bullheadrecords 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I can’t believe that it’s almost over. One hundred years ago, the first of two of the biggest conflicts in history ended. And yet we still rember each man who fought to this day

  • @robbrown5702
    @robbrown5702 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I have owned several P-17s and find the Remington version to be my favorite bolt gun. A little heavy as you noted but smooth,accurate and well made.

  • @thomas_asunto
    @thomas_asunto 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Germans: Das ist too OP. Please Don't Use Shotguns in the battle. Ist inhumane.
    Americans: Nope, Did you use Mustard Gas and Flamethrower?

    • @bandit5747
      @bandit5747 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      germany: NIEN! Shotguns nicht gud
      Entente: what about-
      Germany: **kicks mustard gas and flamthrowers under the table**

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 6 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Weapons time

    • @MrBigCookieCrumble
      @MrBigCookieCrumble 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why do i always read these comments of yours in Sean Connery's voice LOL

    • @indianajones4321
      @indianajones4321 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mr BigCookie lol

  • @archstanton5113
    @archstanton5113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    aargh, where are the firing segments!!!

    • @canicheenrage
      @canicheenrage 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      C&Rsenal youtube channel. :)

    • @warshipsatin8764
      @warshipsatin8764 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      dude theyre common old bolt actions and a common pump shotgun, you can find plenty of videos of them firing and its not a big deal. this is about the history of them

  • @cantbefucked49
    @cantbefucked49 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I never thought I'd be a gun guy, but I love these videos! Othias is really great too!

  • @absurdist5134
    @absurdist5134 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "Once you know what you're talking about it's a bit pedantic"
    A lesson for every internet argument where people are arguing over definitions.

  • @nostradamusofgames5508
    @nostradamusofgames5508 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    you forgot to mention that mauser sued springfield due to the rifle being so similar to the 1898, they won the case.

    • @BunkerJunker
      @BunkerJunker 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As far as I am aware the outbreak of the war prevented any payments to Mauser for copying their design.

    • @teufelhund4921
      @teufelhund4921 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We couldve sued them for a thousand different things. Luger for example depended on the Maxim toggle action. An American even funded Georg Mauser's early work. We even gave them the machinegun and the barbed wire.

    • @lynnwood7205
      @lynnwood7205 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hmm, interesting point. I wonder if an infringement of patent was determined. Then the obligation to pay for the use of their patent.
      Which leads us to where Germany as part of the post war reparations had to sign over patents to American Industry, thus cutting off revenue from patent royalties for Germany to use for reperations payments.
      A whole new chapter to go into.

    • @ferdonandebull
      @ferdonandebull 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Actually they didn’t have to sue.. Springfield recognized they had infringed copyrights in three areas and sent notifications to Mauser .
      A friendly negotiation ended up happening where Springfield paid a relatively small licensing fee.

    • @0Asterite0
      @0Asterite0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ferdonandebull They sued over the spitzer pointed bullet. The US had documentation of their own pointed bullet research so the patent wasn't valid, but since the US confiscated the useless patent illegally, they had to pay up anyway.

  • @QseftJohn
    @QseftJohn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Boom! C&Rsenal disproves another myth

  • @TheMoen22
    @TheMoen22 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love these cross over episodes that cover the specific weapons. Great job and keep them coming!

  • @rayyanma1608
    @rayyanma1608 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very late to the party, but I think if World War I continued into 1919, the problems with the shotgun shells would have probably been solved. Imagine how effective and devastating those would have been.

  • @ace_of_beavers9793
    @ace_of_beavers9793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man I love the Winchester M1897

  • @mikemanners1069
    @mikemanners1069 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sgt. York actually carried a M1917 Enfield rifle into combat.....not the 1903 Springfield. In the famous Gary Cooper movie where he played Sgt. York it showed him using a 1903 and carrying a Luger.

    • @harrymichaels3877
      @harrymichaels3877 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Little late but why a Luger?

    • @yorecf9641
      @yorecf9641 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harrymichaels3877 also late but the reason I heard was because the studio had access to 9mm blanks but not .45 ACP blanks.

  • @dustythunderknuckle2229
    @dustythunderknuckle2229 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Don't forget we got sued for patent infringement over the 03 Springfield by mauser

  • @danerdog
    @danerdog 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Othais and Indy, you left out the US Model 1916 rifle - Remington and Westinghouse Mosin Nagant rifles in 7.62x54R. Fighting for the US did not end until 1919 - reference the Polar Bear Expedition into North Russia.

    • @andreivaldez2929
      @andreivaldez2929 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Daner Dog That's just a Russian rifle being produced by Winchester. It technically would be the same thing they'd cover in a video on Russia's weapons.

    • @danerdog
      @danerdog 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andrei Valdez , actually they were made by Remington and Westinghouse. But, they were technically a US-issued rifle for the Polar Bears. Thanks!

    • @Bruciando
      @Bruciando 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Go to C&Rsenal's site, watch the *3* episodes on Mosins: Othais covers everything in depth on his channel, but his usual over an hour-long episodes aren't going to fly here as a guest shot [pun intended] on TGW... ;-)

  • @johnfloyd8199
    @johnfloyd8199 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Indy seems to be having trouble hiding his boredom when talking about firearms. which seems odd considering they are such an integral part of the Great War.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  6 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      We do these live streams on top of our regular filming schedule, have some mercy with the man.

    • @lobaandrade7172
      @lobaandrade7172 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The Great War lol, Poor indy

    • @leavemealoneyoutube1707
      @leavemealoneyoutube1707 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The live streams can go on for two hours. These are edited down videos.

  • @DREDCLAN
    @DREDCLAN ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ❤we need that air force rifle in battlefield 1

  • @hquiller
    @hquiller 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you ever went hunting with paper shells on a rainy day, you know what he's talking about.
    Got a jam after the fist shot and had to disassemble the shotgun to remove the other shells from the magazine and pieces of the shell from the barrel.
    Never used them again.

  • @loetzcollector466
    @loetzcollector466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Usefulness aside, I want a Winchester 1897 trench gun. That has to be the meanest looking fun of all time.

  • @lordkitchener967
    @lordkitchener967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What on earth is this! British was obviously best in every feasible way! (If you didn’t get the sarcasm, I’m informing you now).

  • @-max-9966
    @-max-9966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Germans: nooooo don’t use shotguns America it causes too much pain
    U.S.A: haha noob

  • @MisterMan-md9kz
    @MisterMan-md9kz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    America:(useing shotguns) Germany:UNFAIRRRR
    also Germany:mp18 ment for clearing trench’s

  • @pat8988
    @pat8988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the video, but why doesn’t the speaker ever tell us what the barrel length?

  • @andrewdavidson9171
    @andrewdavidson9171 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What did left handed people use? The bolt on the right side of the rifle sounds clumsy to operate if you're a left.

  • @crazyzombiebos7778
    @crazyzombiebos7778 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mr Nidel and Crew what do you guys think about the 1939 novel Johnny Got His Gun based in World war 1. What was the closest situation in real life Joe Bonham faced?

    • @gordonholon
      @gordonholon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Landmine has taking my sight taken my speech taken my hearing

  • @hughmungus2023
    @hughmungus2023 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Seth Rogen does gun reviews?

  • @forthrightgambitia1032
    @forthrightgambitia1032 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    More of a out of the trenches question, but do you have any information on the Catalan volunteers for the French army? I ask because I've been living in Barcelona a few years and there is a fairly large monument in the Montjuic cemetery to them. It seems to have been allowed to remain in some form during the years of the Franco regime, despite the fact that it is now a small shire to the Catalan independence project, but is not a topic widely discussed in the books I've read. Of course the Catalans living in the French part of what in Spain they call Northern Catalonia obviously fought in the war like any other French citizens, but the suggestion seems to be that said Catalans wished to fight alongside their Catalan brother in arms and saw affirming their traditional connection to France and its identity as part of the development of the Catalan nation consciousness.

    • @williamkeith8944
      @williamkeith8944 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not well noted in English, more remembered in Spanish and French history.

  • @andreasnielsen75
    @andreasnielsen75 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have Seen the original bluprint of that gun

  • @sasquatch907
    @sasquatch907 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The other commentator is a bit wired...I meant weird.

  • @stephenjohnson8237
    @stephenjohnson8237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THE PROBLEM IS….