You guys show that machines have reached the size limit where a mechanic can just manage the repairs. Any bigger and the components would need lifts or jacks. I guess that's the challenge designers have, components that can be manhandled. Great video, thanks guys
Heavy equipment mechanics are so unappreciated. You guys work your butt off fixing the things that are broken and most times in the most difficult places. Don't know how you do it with a smile either. I cuss throw things yell rant and rave usually to no avail. Always nice to have someone who is physically challenged (small in stature) to help you in the tight spots. That farmer should buy you guys a steak dinner...
I watched the video about the bearing replacement on a John Deere tractor. Massive 3,000 lb axle assembly, planetary gear drive. Some damned impressive technology. The thought of the machine tool technology involved to produce those tractors just boggles the mind. I've only seen such tractors from afar. I'll never look at them the same knowing what engineering is involved to bring them to be. 😎😎🙏🙏
That was a struggle to get the old one out 😯 Good idea to put in those stud bolts. Made the drive shaft line up easier. Not to bad a struggle to get the new one in . Deffintly a two man job 👍👍
All that moaning,groaning and grunting was like sounds coming from a delivery room in a hospital. That was a rough repair but you guys got it done. Great job guys!!!
I found your channel a couple of weeks ago, saw the Sloan name and thought "that must be central IL". I worked 20 years in Decatur in various engineering and management roles at Staley/Tate&Lyle/Premient. We spent a lot of time in the Arthur/Arcola/Sullivan area and still have an 8000 lb roll top desk made by F&B. Growing up in central IN I made a lot of corn field repairs on tractors with red paint. That and putting up hay in 90F/50% RH cemented going to engineering school. The first time I discovered the value of dowel pins (doll pins in Hoosierese) was repairing the PTO on an IH 450 about 60 years ago.
This is such an interesting and informative video! You explained the issue of engine vibrations and its consequences very clearly. Thank you for sharing practical knowledge about the John Deere 9510R!
Wow that was a difficult repair access was limited for sure great video thou! It's amazing how far the electric tools have gotten I barely use any air tools at all anymore there so good.
Every 2-3k hours? Has JD come up with a fix or is this planned obsolescence? Have to buy a whole shaft if it needs one or not? I hope the after market has a fix if JD doesn't. Another reason not to buy new generation of any manufacture. Atleast the old Iron was built to last and to be repaired. Having great mechanics like Mr. ZK and crew is a very big plus. If mine breaks where I can't fix it I hope to have a clone of these two helping me out. Thank you and be safe.
In the early 90’s a similar type a coupling was used in the 6000 series, within a couple of months there was a new type of coupler between engine an transmission, one by one they chewed up the rubber..
Thanks for another interesting video ZK. Know the basic information about this torsional bar setup but is not much. From your intro sounds like not much room to work here. You indicated need a small build person to get at what needs to be replaced. Well, ready set go, let’s have it. Daniel was a super helper for you ZK. Seems to be a good worker and followed your directions to a tee. Fine young man and glad you had him to help. That is really a tough spot to work in ZK. Wow. The engineers needed to think that one through. Nice work ZK and Daniel. You got it fixed and going again for the farmer. He should be real happy so he can finish his tillage. Thanks for showing this repair work to us. Learned more by your excellent teaching skills. Thanks. The Iowa farm boy. Steve.
No, your not. I would be majorly pissed if this damper failed every 2,000-3,000 hours. JD can't even make the excuse that it's an environmental issues (it's a sealed unit). Same with the fan drives and bearings failing everywhere. I wish Zeth would reveal the cost of parts and labor for these jobs. I'm sure it's astronomical.
Remember, you are only seeing the failures, not the hundreds of thousands of pieces of equipment out there with very low failure rates. Doesn't matter what color you are talking about either.
Great video! Every time I've even worked on something with a rubber torsional damper, the rubber eventually fails. Makes me wonder if there isn't a better alternative.
The engineers of these machines nowdays should be FORCED to go work on them out in the "field" in all kinds of conditions. Maybe then they would design something that would be one helluva lot better to work on.
You got lucky. When our 9560 lost the coupler the shaft broke the pumps next to it and got the wire harness and the steel tube that runs to the back. Needless to say I had to pull the cab. Sucks they fail at such low hours.
Wondering about this ne equipment. So many headaches. We had an Steiger 360. We ran it until we were tired of it. Had something like 12,000 hours on it. Wasn't the prettiest thing or the quietist thing on in the township. But day after day year whenever we needed a load pulled it did it no questions asked. We updated the hydraulics to pull an air seeder late in its life on this ranch. Was a brute to drive.
whenever I've turned a wrench on a project that was ANY kind of major there has almost always been blood shed of some kind, it's called Gettin It Done. 😁
Are these tractors under warranty, lease or service contract Because I would imagine that shaft being expensive and if I was paying for that repair am sure that drive shaft would be going back on after a bit of cleaning and refitting that cap
This is the actual and most important part to resolve and prevent this from happening premature. The pulsation and torque transmitted across the flange and shaft is tremendous. Smallest misalignment will wear out any material or designsolution regardless of brand, size or hours.
Worked on much smaller machines and other type of application but same design with transmission of power from engine to hydraulic main pump. We implemented special guage to meassure and secure alignment in the factory as slightest miss alignment and tolerance differences would create this type of premature failures in field. Very difficult to do alignment in field thou...
There are comments on Deere equipment loosing durability. Could you give us a very general view of trends new machines? It is my observation as a non-agricultural engineer, hours up and doing work are improving.
That is one job I'm glad I'm too old to have to try! Why is it, that components don't last as long as they used to? Could it be that they make them to a price (ie cheap as possible), and blow the consequences? As long is the warranty has expired, they don't care!
Bolts just can't center it accurately. And it's important since rpm is not exactly low. So the slightest offset will vibrate the dumper plate metal to fatigue with this result not far away. There should be cone bolts and a specific torquing sequence involved to make this sh*t design any workable. Good job guys.
A 5$ plug that would fix the problem, but no sell a new drive shaft. Jd just a parts replacer! I’m getting tired of getting screwed by that! Same at my dealer. Ridiculous imo!!!!
@@I_Am_Your_Problem Expansion plug for a block. Doesn't look to be doing anything critical other than keeping the splines clean and grease in. For the 2k I might be inclined to try something if the shaft is ok otherwise, unless its warrantied, then go for it. . :D
They do use a different style coupler now on the new tractors. It’s the same as what the red tractors use now. Even the red tractors had a run of bad torsional dampers too.
When the torsional damper says "F you...I'm out!" for the second time in a couple week you know it's getting bad! I figured that shaft would be better than 80 pounds...wow...it's NINETY!
Always impressive. Nice to see a master troubleshooter at work. Cleaning up the electrical connections was a nice touch.
Hats off to the people who are willing to deal with these extremely difficult repairs and do it day after day. 🤔👍
18:25 Watching this team tackle the torsional damper with skill and patience is inspiring. A masterclass in precision and problem-solving. 🚜
You guys show that machines have reached the size limit where a mechanic can just manage the repairs. Any bigger and the components would need lifts or jacks. I guess that's the challenge designers have, components that can be manhandled. Great video, thanks guys
Heavy equipment mechanics are so unappreciated. You guys work your butt off fixing the things that are broken and most times in the most difficult places. Don't know how you do it with a smile either. I cuss throw things yell rant and rave usually to no avail. Always nice to have someone who is physically challenged (small in stature) to help you in the tight spots. That farmer should buy you guys a steak dinner...
"...like a glove..."
That man knows the reference, Excellent work
One of my favorite movies!😂
Daniel for the WIN! Nice team work fellows! Lets Goooooooo!
Well done, I love seeing the struggle in the field overcome by inguinuity.
Great video. Loved the mid-repair weightlifting competition. 😂 Gotta keep it fun!
I watched the video about the bearing replacement on a John Deere tractor. Massive 3,000 lb axle assembly, planetary gear drive. Some damned impressive technology.
The thought of the machine tool technology involved to produce those tractors just boggles the mind. I've only seen such tractors from afar. I'll never look at them the same knowing what engineering is involved to bring them to be.
😎😎🙏🙏
That was a struggle to get the old one out 😯
Good idea to put in those stud bolts.
Made the drive shaft line up easier.
Not to bad a struggle to get the new one in .
Deffintly a two man job 👍👍
All that moaning,groaning and grunting was like sounds coming from a delivery room in a hospital. That was a rough repair but you guys got it done. Great job guys!!!
I found your channel a couple of weeks ago, saw the Sloan name and thought "that must be central IL". I worked 20 years in Decatur in various engineering and management roles at Staley/Tate&Lyle/Premient. We spent a lot of time in the Arthur/Arcola/Sullivan area and still have an 8000 lb roll top desk made by F&B. Growing up in central IN I made a lot of corn field repairs on tractors with red paint. That and putting up hay in 90F/50% RH cemented going to engineering school. The first time I discovered the value of dowel pins (doll pins in Hoosierese) was repairing the PTO on an IH 450 about 60 years ago.
This is such an interesting and informative video! You explained the issue of engine vibrations and its consequences very clearly. Thank you for sharing practical knowledge about the John Deere 9510R!
Great video work guys, really helped us understand process and the ultimate success of swap out!
Wow, the truck crane the cut-off wheel battle wounds .great job keeping it kid friendly lol awesome job guys thanks ZK MASTER TECH 🇺🇸💪✌️
Excellent videography and technical description of the rubber ( heat, torque load & shock absorption components) element driveline parts.
Wow that was a difficult repair access was limited for sure great video thou!
It's amazing how far the electric tools have gotten I barely use any air tools at all anymore there so good.
Enjoy your videos. My dad used to be a mechanic on MM, Oliver, and White. So I've seen the work that goes into repair on farm equipment.
I wish I had that much talent and patience as these guys. 👍
Every 2-3k hours? Has JD come up with a fix or is this planned obsolescence? Have to buy a whole shaft if it needs one or not? I hope the after market has a fix if JD doesn't. Another reason not to buy new generation of any manufacture. Atleast the old Iron was built to last and to be repaired. Having great mechanics like Mr. ZK and crew is a very big plus. If mine breaks where I can't fix it I hope to have a clone of these two helping me out. Thank you and be safe.
Saw Warren do this repair on his channel (Western Truck and Tractor Repair)…..crazy JD would have a fail point like this. Great post!
I knew that this seemed familiar and you reminded me Warren did it a few weeks back.
M12 & M18 has made life so much better for nasty jobs
Nice to see regardless of the equipment , tough jobs go better with the right tools and teamwork
In the early 90’s a similar type a coupling was used in the 6000 series, within a couple of months there was a new type of coupler between engine an transmission, one by one they chewed up the rubber..
When number five piston comes out of the side of the block it's not as rough as the damper failing 😂
Excellent Top & Bottom tag team 👍👍💚
Insightful video! Great content on a difficult repair. You nailed it.
I’ve got a 3/8 stubby M18. That things got balls.
Thanks for another interesting video ZK. Know the basic information about this torsional bar setup but is not much. From your intro sounds like not much room to work here. You indicated need a small build person to get at what needs to be replaced. Well, ready set go, let’s have it.
Daniel was a super helper for you ZK. Seems to be a good worker and followed your directions to a tee. Fine young man and glad you had him to help.
That is really a tough spot to work in ZK. Wow. The engineers needed to think that one through.
Nice work ZK and Daniel. You got it fixed and going again for the farmer. He should be real happy so he can finish his tillage.
Thanks for showing this repair work to us. Learned more by your excellent teaching skills.
Thanks.
The Iowa farm boy. Steve.
Appreciate the compliment and comment brother!🤘
Cracking video, look forward to them coming out
Am I the only person that is is alarmed at the major components that fail at low hours normally?
No!
These new tractors will never make 10k hours .
Cheaper material and higher prices = Greed
No, your not. I would be majorly pissed if this damper failed every 2,000-3,000 hours. JD can't even make the excuse that it's an environmental issues (it's a sealed unit). Same with the fan drives and bearings failing everywhere. I wish Zeth would reveal the cost of parts and labor for these jobs. I'm sure it's astronomical.
Remember, you are only seeing the failures, not the hundreds of thousands of pieces of equipment out there with very low failure rates. Doesn't matter what color you are talking about either.
Great video! Every time I've even worked on something with a rubber torsional damper, the rubber eventually fails. Makes me wonder if there isn't a better alternative.
The engineers of these machines nowdays should be FORCED to go work on them out in the "field" in all kinds of conditions. Maybe then they would design something that would be one helluva lot better to work on.
Nothing breaks down like a Deere ,then your not allowed to fix it! Way to go JD, Buy red !
So how would the customer not be allowed to fix it themselves in this instance?
Love this video got my mechanic learning in and my morning weight training video all in one thank you another great video
Makes a big difference to have the impact in reverse when you are removing bolts lol
You got lucky. When our 9560 lost the coupler the shaft broke the pumps next to it and got the wire harness and the steel tube that runs to the back. Needless to say I had to pull the cab. Sucks they fail at such low hours.
Good video and fun to watch. !
Glad you enjoyed it
Am I have to ask how you like that square Wilton red vise, from my experience it’s not built for off-road or roadside work
Well done, guys! Any guess at the number spent on such of a
repair? Good luck, weather is changing. Hello from Texas
Wondering about this ne equipment. So many headaches. We had an Steiger 360. We ran it until we were tired of it. Had something like 12,000 hours on it. Wasn't the prettiest thing or the quietist thing on in the township. But day after day year whenever we needed a load pulled it did it no questions asked. We updated the hydraulics to pull an air seeder late in its life on this ranch. Was a brute to drive.
So, what is the John Deere special tool number for the Daniel tool?
JD-CoolTool...
Zeth,how you coming on your 955
whenever I've turned a wrench on a project that was ANY kind of major there has almost always been blood shed of some kind, it's called Gettin It Done. 😁
Are these tractors under warranty, lease or service contract
Because I would imagine that shaft being expensive and if I was paying for that repair am sure that drive shaft would be going back on after a bit of cleaning and refitting that cap
Zeth is there a DTAC about aligning the engine mounts with shims for the torsional dampers? I seem to recall reading something about that.
There is.
This is the actual and most important part to resolve and prevent this from happening premature. The pulsation and torque transmitted across the flange and shaft is tremendous. Smallest misalignment will wear out any material or designsolution regardless of brand, size or hours.
Worked on much smaller machines and other type of application but same design with transmission of power from engine to hydraulic main pump. We implemented special guage to meassure and secure alignment in the factory as slightest miss alignment and tolerance differences would create this type of premature failures in field. Very difficult to do alignment in field thou...
Thanks for sharing.
Maybe it’s just me but I probably would have used that old shaft. Could that end cap make that much difference?
I believe their is a core charger where if you send back the component they will reimbursement the core charge and refurbish the used component
The physical component of being a mechanic like this gets overlooked Got be Hulk Hogan to wrestle those big parts around.
OK, I can't get my head around that you're replacing the shaft just because the cap popped out and did he say the new cap has a hole in it???
Greg from northern Michigan. How many hours on this tractor engine at the time of this repair ?
Sorry 2701 hours at the end of this video.
What about putting a couple tack welds on that cap?
There are comments on Deere equipment loosing durability. Could you give us a very general view of trends new machines?
It is my observation as a non-agricultural engineer, hours up and doing work are improving.
Great Video!
Wow that was a night mare of a chore...I'd been a tempermental mess dealing with that.
Great video thanks
Great job,seems like that damper is not a good design
Green Strikes again !
All the power goes through the rubber?
curious on the cost of that job ?
Perfect lunch time video, thanks heaps , wish they made shit last longer, bad design in my eyes
Need to keep some " victory pies " in the glove box .
I agree!
That is one job I'm glad I'm too old to have to try! Why is it, that components don't last as long as they used to? Could it be that they make them to a price (ie cheap as possible), and blow the consequences? As long is the warranty has expired, they don't care!
Bolts just can't center it accurately. And it's important since rpm is not exactly low. So the slightest offset will vibrate the dumper plate metal to fatigue with this result not far away. There should be cone bolts and a specific torquing sequence involved to make this sh*t design any workable. Good job guys.
how many hours have this tractor?
How are you doing?! Great!
Sounds like a consumable, that needs to be replaced at 2000 hrs. That way you don't also loose the drive shaft.
Cant find a freeze plug that will fit the end of the shaft?
I am from Brazil!!!
A 5$ plug that would fix the problem, but no sell a new drive shaft. Jd just a parts replacer! I’m getting tired of getting screwed by that! Same at my dealer. Ridiculous imo!!!!
All not quite on the western front field
Does Daniel have a tool part number
Yes, I do. It's JD-CoolTool...😂
i think jd has made some mistakes this isa big one been seeing a lot of these deere better wake up running to mex i not the answer love you,re vid,s
why is it not in front of the engine?
Freeze plug for the shaft
The front balancer is going bad causing the dampner damage
@timbingham-k4x You're moist... probably a trump voter too...
At least the customer has a good ripper
😅i'm sure it "heavy" but 2 of us , 500lbs of men-power to put driveshaft in an old komatsu wa600-1 loader (23liters of engine 😊)
I bet if you go to an auto parts store with that old cap you can get a brand new one.
Curious what a repair like that would cost…..
At least it is not the series that you have to remove the hydraulic tank
Parts are made cheap and unfortunately the end user ends up costing them thousands it’s not right at all
👍👍👍
I would start rebuilding every old pure mechanical machine I could
Longevity is money
Lowwer wire harness is holding damper
Of course it did it. It’s a Milwaukee!
That’s bs that you have to buy the whole driveshaft because you can’t get the dust cap
Clean the splines up a slam a freeze plug in there. Hate to know what the cost of the shaft is.
@@Puckgrinder85 Freeze plug?
@@Puckgrinder85 about 2k if I remember right. That was about 2 months ago.
@@I_Am_Your_Problem Expansion plug for a block. Doesn't look to be doing anything critical other than keeping the splines clean and grease in. For the 2k I might be inclined to try something if the shaft is ok otherwise, unless its warrantied, then go for it. . :D
Good job as always fellas . Looks to me that you could use a pet orangutan for jobs like that .
The design engineer 's need to start to come out to the fields. I don't have any faith in the work. It could be the down fall of JD
They do use a different style coupler now on the new tractors. It’s the same as what the red tractors use now. Even the red tractors had a run of bad torsional dampers too.
the strap was hindering you by creating an angle
high tech equipment,, still comes down to hard manual labor!
Never saw a torque wrench.
Magical video editing :)
Poor quality machines 😮
Good job,Nice Turbos on that,Shame the setup does not last ?
Shaft: 3739,79€
Damper: 3781,72€
When the torsional damper says "F you...I'm out!" for the second time in a couple week you know it's getting bad!
I figured that shaft would be better than 80 pounds...wow...it's NINETY!
That was the first damper failure of that tractor. Listen to my words carefully as I said it was the second one I had to do in two weeks.
@@ZKMasterTech
I know...that's what I was commenting about...that this was the 2nd one in 2 weeks
I rented a 570 rx and the damper exploded after 10 ac of working ground. 2600hrs! Pathetic. Absolute junk
Do you feel Repair this machine difficult?
The torsional damper isnt the problem its the result.
It takes a village to raise a John Deere.