Fanatec DD1 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2019
- So here it is, my in-depth DD1 review. Big piece of work, hope you guys enjoy it.
+++ Caution: Don't put the wheel on like I do in the video, that's the wrong way. You see how it's supposed to be done in this official Fanatec video: • Unboxing & Setup Tutor... +++
I've also been made aware that the System Info Screen is reached by pressing the D-pad / stick down instead of left/ right. Apologies for these blunders, and thanks to the people who pointed them out to me!
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RELATED LINKS
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Sveg Raceway for Assetto Corsa:
www.racedepartment.com/downlo...
Links about steering torque in non-power steering race cars:
Master thesis with Dallara F3 car steering torque measurements:
repository.tudelft.nl/islando...
Conference paper on how setup changes influence the steering torque:
web.mscsoftware.com/support/li...
Dario Franchitti tests forces at Mid Ohio:
www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...
Niels Heusinkveld on steering torque simulations:
• Talk & Drive 12: Calcu...
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TIME STAMPS
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[1] 1:22 The Thing Itself
[2] 4:53 The Other Things
[3] 6:44 The Features - Hardware
[4] 10:06 The Features - Software
[5] 13:35 The Feels
[6] 26:04 The Verdict and Value
Since chapter 5 got a little longer:
[5.1] 13:35 smoothness, rotational speed and acceleration
[5.2] 17:48 peak torque
[5.3] 19:30 how much torque is enough?
[5.4] 24:21 belt-driven wheels vs. direct drive wheels
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ADDITIONAL INFO
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Torque vs. Force:
|M|=r*|F|
M is torque
r is radius
F is force
Thus, to calculate the amount of force at your hands, divide the torque figure by the radius of your steering wheel.
Example: 20Nm of torque on a 32cm wheel: 20/0.16 = 125N, i.e., 62.5N per hand.
(In the video I say multiply force with diameter to get torque, which is technically wrong, as it is the radius, not the diameter. But you get the idea.)
GT Omega Pro users:
In the video you can see the “pitch plates” I made for the wheel deck. They pitch it up by 15°. In the lowest Position, the GT Omega Pro wheel deck is even pitched down a little (2.5° on mine), resulting in a total steering wheel angle of 12.5° on my rig.
svegraceway.com/files/pitchplates_overview.jpg
svegraceway.com/files/pitchplates_printout.jpg
This will only fit with the extension bars attached. I don’t guarantee it’ll fir on your rig, so measure it for yourself to make sure it’ll fit. Make sure the printout is unscaled (check by taking a ruler to the printout) - เกม
+++ Caution: Don't put the wheel on like I do in the video, that's the wrong way. You see how it's supposed to be done in this official Fanatec video: th-cam.com/video/8ohOYdqAgGA/w-d-xo.html +++
what is the difference? turning the screw or turning the wheel in the end both are screw tightly
Excellent professional level review! You have a new subscriber. Do you have a setup guide somewhere on how to setup FF based on telemetry? The thought process you sited with the T500 in Spa seems intriguing. I'm sure many sim racers would find a guide containing this info extremely useful!
Sounds like getting a Leo bodnar and calling it a day ls the better option
@@dubscope2246 Bit late, but its important to bring the rubber ring softly in playe with the nut before attaching the wheel rim, then tighten it.
Best review out there in TH-cam. Amazing. Please, don’t stop making these reviews
Best wheel review I have ever seen. Been sim racing for years and you hit everything that I hoped for. Well done and thank you!
One of the best reviews of any product I’ve ever seen
Wow! This is the most comprehensive review and analysis of any product I have seen. As I have been sim racing for 20 years (since the earliest GPL days), I have enjoyed the growth of the hobby and continue to be amazed at the level of technology available. The expertise that has gone into producing this video is similarly astonishing. Very well done, sir! Needless to say, I have liked and subscribed.
This review is EVERYTHING! I did not know I wanted these products until I saw this review. You sir, are brilliant. Thank you!
This review has so much detail. This is awesome. Thank you for all the work! This video is top notch
I don’t remember I have seen such a detailed review for any product lately and I watch a lot for different hardware I’m interested! That must be lot of hours work and I definitely appreciate every minute of this video! Keep that work up and build your channel! Happy new subscriber here :)
Take a look at SimRacingGarage on YT as well. You will be happy if you like reviews like this one. Both are very good.
I know He is really informative and take all a part but I feel like he don't critic enough the products...The reason I like for example NexusGamars is he kiils all products and if he says "WE DONT HAVE TONS OF PROBLEMS" means the product is great :)@@basementracer7622
Best DD1 review I have seen. Thank you, great job!
Impressively good review, subscribed!
Yes, finally! Been looking forward to this video for quite a while.
Dude that graph just answered my question for rotational speed AND PRECISELY the question I had for drifting as I'm planning to get one for drifting in Assetto. THANKS!
This is the best review I've seen so far. Thanks for the useful information.
Excellent job! Looking forward to seeing this channel grow!
thanks a lot, mate!
Watched a Chris Haye video and he gave you a shout so I came to take a look. Very glad I did. Great review and great information. Thanks.
One of the best reviews I´ve ever seen. Well done.
Holy fuck. Amazingly done review. Fantastic b-roll, clear and succinct talking points. Provides tons and tons of info without feeling like your are just droning on and on. Seriously man. Very well done.
AGAIN BIG RESPECT FOR YOUR VERY GOOD INFORMATIVE REVIEW 👍👍👍
Going for the Fanatec Podium DD2 🏁💯
This is an awesome review with really great camera shots and well done video editing, not to mention the deep research with cool facts I have never heard of. You deserve a 1000 times more subscriptions. So here is mine... :)
This guy does what he came to do in the right way, congrats!
Stellar work, great content! Thanks a lot for your effort!
Nice review! Man, my favorite gloves on my favorite wheel, love it :)
Best wheel review I have ever seen!
this video gives me so much view of future wheel I want to have :)
Thank you so much, as when my G29 broke down, i went to desicion to go with Fanatec next when got money, as they feel best option. just i have to rebuild my entire rig due to fact the direct drive wheel needs 200% better base than the one that i got currently from Playseat.
Great review! Really enjoyed it.
Endlich wieder ne sehr gute Review! Wie immer auf deinem Kanal. Weiter so!!
danke :-)
That slow plastic peel off at the end was soooooo worth watching the entire video for. 👍
Holy fuck this is more professional than any of Fanatec's videos about any of their producta (and way more professional than how they are handling my order). Well done!
I can not wait for mine to be shipped!
Cool review in general with a lot of information! I appreciate the high effort but would like to comment some things though:
2:15 - the torque key makes it safer because when you have kids that tend to play with your stuff you remove it and they can't hurt themselves with high torque, safer than a switch for example.
6:22 - Fanatec pedals, shifter and handbrake can be connected directly to the wheel base, sounds a bit like it isn't the case here.
7:14 - The system info screen is accessible you have to press D-Pad down instead of left-right to access it. It's written in the quick guide and manual.
8:45 - You have to screw the locking ring next to the rubber without compressing it so it doesn't slip back when attaching the wheel. Then you also don't need to turn it much and it gets tightened better.
10:40 - You can save as many setups as you want per game in the upcoming software and select one to automatically load.
12:50 - You can "simulate" power steering by reducing the force with FF and lowering FEI which works as a high pass filter.
20:30 - great addition mentioning real steering torque, always hard to find information about that.
Hey man, thanks for the feedback!
torque key: right, didn't think of sharing a wheel base with kids. good point!
shifters, pedals: I did mention all kinds of accessories can be attached in the back, my point at that timestamp is just that PC users don't depend on them as much as they depend on the available wheels.
system info screen: yep, I already added that info to the description.
QR mechanism: also added already with a video link on how to do it right.
number of presets: alright, I thought I read it was 5, but we'll see when it gets here.
power steering: will have to revisit FEI, when I first tried it didn't get me satisfying results, though.
Just found your channel. Very good work, keep it up. Much nicer than some loud Brit or American screaming about twitch.
We use a a DD2 and have been really impressed by fanatecs products, really great review btw
Great, great review, thank you all the valuable info.
Hi, sehr interessantes und ausfühliches Review, vielen Dank! Alex
Watched on apple TV and had to log in on my laptop just to make this comment! As a former T300, Accuforce, and now current DD1 owner, have to say, great review! Thanks for the effort!
Was disappointed by the "cog-in-wheel"/tiny bumps in the wheel when turning to (when off, etc). Everyone said it's so smooth, but the same feeling as the Accuforce.
Was it worth going from Accuforce to DD1?
stang15 that’s a harder question to answer than I though. Overall yes, definitely when you look at the overall package and ecosystem, integration, support etc. But as a direct comparison, still yes, but the SimXperience software of the accuforce is simply perhaps the industry best. Definitely not having buyer’s remorse. I love the little extra torque and also the completeness of the DD1.
Stunning review, just wow, subd
Superb review. I really enjoyed it.
Amazing review for a product that honestly is drawing a-lot of attention and people want to know if they’re getting value for a DD option.
Excellent piece of work.
Time to get back from my accu force DD, to the fanatec unit, well done Thomas
Quality content, thank you very much!
thank you for the review loved it and subed :>
What a awsome review!!!
Great review 👍🏻
Excellent details. Subbed.
the quality of this review is insane
great video....just waiting for DD2
Very good review. Where Barry from SimRacingGarage gives us a more technical analysis of the product, you make a real good supporting background check analysis. A feast to eye and ears to hear someone really giving feedback on product, rather then showing off "driving skills and endless blabber" like so many so called reviews ! In short you and Barry are benchmarks sir ! ;-)
Excellent review
That's sucks about the problems you've had.
I've been absolutely impressed with my DD2. And haven't had any problems with it. So hopefully I lucked out.
Great review!
On the topic of the angle and monitor placement. I've opted for a flat mount and the monitor is literally sitting on my DD2. Check out my profile Pic. I agree regarding the mounting issues.
Very good review !! Thnx dude
Great video instant subscription 👍
Great review, and someone who dosent fill the background with annoying music👍
What a review who are you man.
“It has a golden shaft sticking out of the front end”
Me: _looks down_
...it's about 9cm long...
The Sim Channel ....it’s all about how you use it?
In seriousness, thanks for all of your hard work making this video man. You clearly put a lot of time and effort into its production, and it shows. I’ve been really disappointed in Fanatec the past couple of years, but still looked forward to seeing how this product would turn out, and you summarized everything I wanted to know beautifully.
Nicely done :)
You had me at "Golden Shaft"
*...everybody has you at "Golden Shaft"...*
Simply, Fantastic Review! Thank you. 👍
Possibly the best review...... Eveeeeeeeeeer
Nice review
Subbed because of this extremely thorough review. Btw, could you do a review on the formula v2? Would love to know your take on it
At some point, yes. But I don't know when yet. Gonna make a bit of a fun piece today first ;-)
Watched it, left a thumbs up, already subscribed a few month back.... hm, what else...?
Oh, yes, awesome video, thanks a lot, still not sure which DD version I will buy, but, You did answer
some questions I had in mind, so thank You for this too.
Have a good week!
Regards John
Yeah so when I got the DD1 at 999€ and then the 350€ voucher on top it was the deal of the century. Now at 1200 I'd be seriously thinking about the middle one of the Simucube2s. I'd love to compare them in a vid, but I have no money left for that atm ;-)
I know exactly what You mean, I just got me the Heusinkveld Ultimate Pedal Set so I have to wait too.
I think I will go for the DD2 but the decision process is still going on….
Great review, I actually purchased a DD1 and found this very informative. Could you please share your settings used in Assetto Corsa? I can't get anywhere near the levels you mention without severe oscillations at centre
do you have a link to be able to purchase that steering wheel? (just the wheel not the hub, the Porsche one)
Excellent video, very well laid out and extremely informative. Subbed because of it. One question.... I currently have a T500RS with F1 addon attached to my GT Omega ART rig. Your rig looks similar to mine (but i'm guessing yours is the Pro version),. How does your rig cope with the extra forces of the DD1? I would love to upgrade to the DD1/2, but it would start to get a bit expensive if I had to buy a new rig too (e.g. 8020).
@son of god 316 Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.
@@joeciampa mhh I'm a bit sceptical with the Art. It's always a question of what sims and cars you drive and at what forces. KartKraft at maximum force is a different beast than AC at 10Nm peak. Check out my GT Omega Pro buyers guide video, it has a section on direct drive and flex. Without having tested it, the SimLab GT1 Evo seems to be the best for the buck in terms of complete rigs, and you could take over the seat from the GT Omega.
I never EVER like videos, cause i want to use liked videos as some kind of library for videos i want to save.
But HOLY shit! Your video is structured with time stamps and also explaining shortly what each section is about. Ive never seen such good structure before and i just love you for doing that and putting that extra effort. Im giving you my first like for years just because of the time stamps and structures so i easily can find what i want in the video without having to randomly click for what i want.
Question: what to press to go on the lcd menu.. where you can see torque and adjust the feedback
Hi, i need mounting brackets (base or sides) with angle to mount DD1 to my obutto ozone, any ideias?
I will be downloading sveg raceway forthwith :)
is the GT omega pro cockpit predrilled for the DD ? what is the custom plate add ?
If budget is not a constraint, would you recommend going for DD1 or is the gain not worth the extra from let's say the CSW 2.5? Thanks! :) planning to purchase some parts soon and was wondering whether to go for direct drive..
Oh I'd definitely go with the DD1. Any ~20+ Nm direct drive wheel base is gonna be a huge upgrade over belt-driven wheels.
8 nm is perfect for me no more thej that I think it's enough to feel everything and enough tos till enjoy I mean we are driving 2018 2019 cars in games now so realistic is realistic right??
How is your omega GT cockpit holding up? I am surprised to see a DD on it
It does a fairly good job. You see me use pretty high forces all throughout this video (cornering is almost always above 10Nm) and the flex is minimal. Sure, it could be even less in a good 8020 rig, I'm sure, but for now I don't really see a need to upgrade. BTW most of the flex you see in this video is the "longitudinal" flex from stepping on the brakes, but even that I don't really notice while driving. Watch my GT Omega Pro buyers guide to see what's on my rig :)
Great Review :D
Good morning I’m going to buy Phenytek Dean D oneF14 PlayStation five and I am looking for I will stand my place is more I owe WS pro do you have any other suggestions for me thank you very much
Great video!! What is the brand and model of your tv? and would you recommend it for sim racing?
It's a Sony 60" Bravia TV, I'm not sure about the exact model though. It's a 1080p, 60Hz model with very low latency. Probably discontinued for a while already. It has to co-function as a TV and regular PC monitor, since I have no space for a 2nd large screen in the living room. There are better options out there though if your main concern is sim racing, like those Samsung 49" ultrawide curved displays.
@@TheSimChannel thanks for your response. i have a VR setup but im looking for a replacement for my very old 40" lcd tv to play non VR games.
@@richot305 well, for sims I'd probably go with the mentioned Samsung. If it has to be a TV though, Sonys are usually those with the lowest latencies (but obviously confirm that with reviews of whatever model you're looking into :).
Fantastic review, earnt yourself a subscriber. On your largest diameter wheel you have a centre hub with a Porsche logo on it, would you mind sharing how you did this and the parts you used? I have a wheel on my universal hub that does not have a centre logo and hate the way it looks! Thanks!
It's the horn button that came with the wheel plus a sticker with a Porsche logo. I had that printed from an online print shop. The term is "3D domed sticker" I believe. I used, I think, 6mm spacers on the back side of the wheel to make the horn button fit between the wheel and Universal Hub.
@@TheSimChannel perfect, thank you for the reply going to source some spacers and the logo now. Thanks!
@@Leeroy605 maybe 5mm spacers would do the trick though, as you might wanna squeeze the mounts of the little button boxes a little. I was able to move them a little with my solution, and I prefer them solidly in place like they are now with the Porsche racing rim pushing down on them.
Well done. Thank you. What gloves and boots are you using?
Gloves are Sparco Meca 3 (not sure I'd recommend them though), and the boots are "Speed" karting shoes I got off of ebay for about 40€. I have no complaints about them, but also no experience with other racing shoes.
The Sim Channel thank you!
Every fanatec product I have bought Iv had problems, v2 pedals, v2 CSW and the 911 Porsche wheel
In the end I ordered a DD1 because of its simplicity and the other fanatec products.
I have a T300RS GT setup right now, i mainly play DiRT Rally 2.0 (competitive recently) and do relax on AC and PC2 after hard rally sessions.
Would you recommend the DD1 over the Clubsport v2.5?
I think the biggest difference between the two is the torque, so if you like realistic forces even on tracks like Spa with no clipping, the DD1 will have a clear advantage over the CSV2.5. But it's also twice the price, so the question is really how much the extra 600 bucks hurt you, and how much it you get from it. Personally, I'd go for the DD1 (in fact I did go for the DD1), but I'm also a bit of a sucker for high forces in the wheel.
@@TheSimChannel Thanks for your input. Keep up the good work!
Golden shaft.
3:50 preparing for not the 1st but the 2nd RMA welcome to the Fanatec experiance.
So looking at this my solution for potentially mounting is this: I have the clubsport v2.5 so could I take the plate from that and attach it to the dd2? I know that the original plate on the GT Omega supports the mount.
That wedge that angles your wheel base? I'm told that's way too wobbly for a DD, and you might run into clearance issues.
@@TheSimChannel true never thought about that
At this price level, the reliability issues are unacceptable.
Even though they are good at honoring their warranty, you still have to wait through the shipping and exchange process.
agree 100%.
Thanks for this high Quality Review/Test. Thumbs Up!
9:42 "...or we're getting in trouble with the FOV Police." :-D Haha Lol
I had the csl elite and i always had problems that the wheel wasnt centered anymore after a couple of laps... not by much... but enough to visual notice it... are there no such problems with that wheel base?
Not that I am aware of, I've never had an issue like that with my DD1. Could it arise from the belt slipping slightly on a belt driven wheel?
@@TheSimChannel thanks for the answer... ye im sure its because of that... well ye but its another budget!
I've been wanting to build a sim rig for a while now but I wanted something realistic without costing as much as just getting a beater track car. This is looking to me like the right cost to feature/performance ratio for me, however I'd be looking at this as a starting point (I play with a controller)
Go from zero to 100% in an instant, huh? ;-)
I think you can use the CSW V2.5 angle bracket with the Podium series. I hear it’s pretty cheap shipped.
From what I've heard it'll flex quite a bit, and since the DD wheel bases are long I'm afraid they won't fit if the wheel deck extends beyond the angle bracket.
I hope fanatec add additional software features like the simucube 2 have like force reduction or static force reduction speed. Simucube has alot of software adjustments, which I would like. Does anyone know what the fanatec dd2 encoder resolution is ?
about the software watch my interview with Thomas Jackermeier from the simracing expo!
This is a great review man! I have not seen someone give as straight opinion as you, keep it going. But why did not you add the price of some wheels and button boxes to truly see the price difference between this and osw?
I didn't want to over-complicate things, as none of the others (Simucube, Simplicity, etc.) have their own wheels, really. Wouldve meant a couple more hours of research on all the options out there, and I had to make a cut at some point ;-)
@@TheSimChannel Simplicity have their own wheel:
sim-pli.city/collections/all/products/320mm-steering-wheel-with-button-plate-and-paddle-shifters
@@TheSimChannel That's good reasoning :)
@@1027hristo That wheel looks like a tank, damn.
Are there any news about simplicity improving their software?
@@kingnikman4108 I do not know how much they have done in improving the software.
Hey man. I got my DD2 yesterday. Fanatec sent me a CSW angle bracket for $22 shipped. The bracket feels strong enough. I don’t think it’ll be an issue.
However, with my GT Omega Pro the wheel seems a bit to high now. I’m about 5’10, my old CSW V2 was at a perfect height and angle.
I have the wheel deck at its lowest adjustment available. If I get rid of the angle bracket it’ll take some modifications to get it at its optimal position. Guess I need to order that SimLab rig.
or check out my mod-solution in the description. it's a bit on the high side, but not problematic. If you can afford a SimLab rig though, it's probably money well spent. enjoy your wheel base! :)
The Sim Channel Thansk man. Quick question. Have you tried your DD with pCars2? I’m having issues.
@@OhItsThat my overall ffb experience with any wheel in pcars2 was problematic, so I've only shortly tried with the DD1. In principle it worked, but I didn't like it, so I moved on.
The math is real in this one. 😁
Great detailed video but what is up with the Spa corner names? Bohn, Copenhague, Rome, Liège........they are absolutly not named like that.
Yeah, sorry, it's what I found on some track map online. Unfortunately the corner names in Spa are a little weird... th-cam.com/video/q3SR7ezGLmQ/w-d-xo.html
Excuse my mistake! ;-)
I didn't get to watch the video yet (on data) but will you be reviewing the DD2 wheel?
Not unless anyone feels like lending me theirs over a weekend or so ;-)
The System Info Screen was not removed, its always there. You just need to press the Tuning Menu and D-Pad DOWN - not right or left ;)
Also @8:45 you install the wheel wrong. You first need to turn the locking screw until the gold part touches the ruber so the rubber cant move. You can very nicely see that when you push your wheel on the rubber goes backwards. Therefore it cant expand correctly and might damage Pins or just causes wobble.
I'm adding both infos to the description. Thank you!
I have the wheel base V2.5...Is it worth to upgrade to the podium DD1 in your opinion. Thanks
I've never tried the V2.5 to be honest. On the one hand: If you want higher forces than the 2.5 can deliver then certainly the DD1 has you covered (thus yes, upgrade is worth it then). Beyond that I suspect that the DD1 will still be a bit better than the 2.5 even at the same force, but that's just an assumption.
What size TV is that? I’m about to upgrade and that looks like a perfect size
60"
Would u reccomend the vrs wheel or simucube or something else
sc2
What camera and lense are you using?
Nikon D750 and mostly an 85/1.8 and 70-200/4. There may be better gear around for video though, but I used to work as a photographer.
I was going to get the DD1 this year, until Fanatec raised the price. Now I think I'll wait till the price comes down.
They just bumped prices of most of their products this week.
@@zoranlovric their pricing is getting a bit silly on most of their items to be fair. They are selling toys at the end of the day not real race cars 😂