SP-404 WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS..
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Once the beat scene started to blow up and lofi became a genre this became the flagship machine for lofi. Cats like DiBiase and Oh No showed people what you could do with it and it catapulted it in to cult status.
Your right.
and now every kid on youtube downloads hot lofi kits and buys a 404 and is now jdilla
This thing was doing them lofi's loooong before that. I brought one in 2010 to pair with my MPC2KXL so I could resample and throw in effects with it. The two go together like peanut butter and chocolate. I think that setup caught on with MPC heads that didn't want to change their boxes or go DAW. It's kind of dope but oddly to me the LoFi feature on it is garbage. I just resamble then drop the bits in my MPC if I want it crunchy.
@@187onasimp Agreed. I have to say, most people that make "lofi" dont seem to understand what lofi is and isnt. Same issue with these youtubers that upload "boom bap" beats, 9/10 times its not boom bap lmao
@@jonathansoko1085 they dont know what hiphop is and isnt either
Everybody tuned into the LA beat scene circa 2008-2010 was all over this. Samiyam, Dibiase, Jonwayne all rocked them. It was niche like the 303. Then 'LoFi' happened ...
The 404 is sometimes frustrating but also sometimes liberating. I kind of hated it when I first got mine but after I came to grips with the fact that I wasn't going to force it to be something it couldn't be, I came to love it and then I got fully obsessed with it and now I own every SP model.
Lol.
EVERY model?! Can I borrow/buy your SP505/606???
can confirm. matt in a true SP head.
Well you must be as excited as me about the new sp404mk2 just pre ordered mine 😁
Another reason i think the sp is such a great tool is the built in compressor, i swear nothing makes shit sound so warm when ever you send something from the DAW to the SP ,and back to the DAW. Really just adds a lil flare that you dont get with other samplers
$500 for a turntable or $400 sp- 404sx? A Sp & a cell phone, you’re rockin.
Oh yeah!!! I'm proof!!
This is great! Going to send viewers of my upcoming Jpegmafia review to watch this.
Thanks bro!..I appreciate it!..I dig the name JPEGMAFIA!!
Got my SP-404A early last year, and it's no better feeling with beat making hardware than to rock out live and manipulate the different functions. I absolutely LOVE my 404 bro! Great video, keep doing your thing sir!!🙏🏾✊🏾🔥🔥🔥
Thanks fam.
Time for a new Vid on that SP404 MKII. What had happened wassssssss....Looking forward to it.
i was introduced to this instrument through panda bear's 2007 album "person pitch" the entire album was performed with his voice and a couple of sp404's. totally changed my life and got me into exploring analog samplers! if only they weren't so expensive lol.
love these videos by they way!! this is such a great series.
Thanks bro!!..I appreciate it!
Fam, I was one of the rare few that did care back in ‘05. Indeed, the 404 changed the way peeps create as working knowledge increased. If nothing else, it continued the SP lineage of being an efx unit for samples. I still have my OG 404, and use it daily to process samples. But it started to take a back seat in ‘09 to my MV8000. Which has been my weapon of choice for many years. You forgot to mention the SP404SX. That’s the box, that sparked the lofi invasion we know and Luv now. It has all the things the OG had,. More importantly, it uses SD cards and a few efx are more prominently placed for performance use. Once more creatives got wind of these changes, it was a wrap. Especially as you mentioned those who made YT videos. I’m luv’n these video pieces fam. Keep em coming. Peace...Netm8kr 👍🏾✌🏾
Thanks fam. Your right the 404SX had some features that made the music making process alot better.
Yah, the SP-Forums were hopping with lots of folks doing awesome tunes on the 404, both high and lo-fi. Lots of tricks were discovered to get pretty tempo solid tracks just through resampling and through resampling, there wasn't a limit on effects in the song, just a limit on how many you have control over on the last take in real time.
Very fun and creative box to use for any genre. I made drum and bass and jungle in addition to hip hop, ambient, etc. on mine. And it also was nice to just use as a 'storage box' for samples to use later. Hook it up to a turntable or cassette player, sample long chunks of stuff and chop it up later.
The best kept secret was the 505. Ended up wit 3 of them in total. Loved it.
Yeah..the 505 was nice.
The SP505 was my first in 2007... Copped it in a pawn shop for $30!!!
@james Doctor I guess it looked like a toy. Got Dey azz…😉
No envelopes,no real tuning,simpleton sequencer ectect.But the compressed Roland sounds is amazing for what it is.Has presence.Everything blends together nicely.And the size is perfect.
I feel u.
Eyy there it is, great stuff. I started on a 555 before moving to an MPC, still use my 555 for the effects bank and some other fun shenanigans. I'm really glad the 404 found its place, it's a weird halfway point between sampler and groovebox and chopping samples isn't particularly intuitive but I think you hit the strengths of it really being a performance machine over a production machine really well, they're just fun machines that inspire a lot of creativity and outside the box approaches.
Yeah man a different workflow..but its good to be different sometimes.
I'd like to see a piece on the 404's older sibling the SP808. That's a story!
No doubt.
Sp303 is my baby
That was my first sampler lol. Good ol SP808 lol
@@OGRagtoproy Just got another one after getting a bricked one back in 2003 (didn't know you could change the zip drive). Updated the OS to the much expanded 808EX (without that weird translucent Apple aesthetic) and may have found a compatible CF reader to replace the 250mb zip! Very easy machine to use with excellent features. That stupid zip drive is what killed it.
@@MarsHottentot awww man now that sounds great!!! Yeah that Zip drive was the worst aspect of it!!!
Love this series....neva had one, I always hated reading Roland manuals as they were always mad confusing
Lol.
I remember when it came out, I was orientating on what groove box to buy. I was hesitating between the 404 and the MPC500. I chose the latter. Even though I have never regretted that I went the MPC route, it still kept fascinating me. Like 'how do people do full beats on this thing?'. So I bought one over a year ago, and it has really been a great addition to my setup and workflow. It also totally changed the way I look at sampling, chopping and processing in general, with the resampling and not chopping everything up in 16 or 32 beats. It's challenging and a lot of fun to do a full beat inside the 404, while at the same time it's quite frustrating in some regards. Sometimes I only run my MPC's master outs through the 404 as an FX box for live jams. It indeed feels more like performing twisting those knobs and such than just simply press the "Play Start" and the Track Mutes on the MP. I sometimes hook it up to the assignable outs of the 2500 and feed it back into the 2500, resampling through the 404. Sometimes I midi sequence the 404 with the MPC. Sometimes I create a steady groove, melody, drumline or a combination of these inside the MPC, and then dump it inside the 404 to get crazy with it. Guess my point is that the best of both worlds is one of my favourite combo's to get funky.
Yeah I think having both is cool..sometimes you want to make beats the conventional way but other times its cool to try something different..and you do low key learn alot.
@@DyReckProductions Exactly that!!!
I also started with the 500 and the 404 would have been my third hardware piece shortly after I copped a 2kxl, and I agree with you. Def changed the beat process and chopping samples etc coming from the mpc world. But was so necessary. Now I have a 500, 2kxl, OG404, 303, 202, akai s900 and a KO33 (along with track recorders, daw, keyboards) And honestly I get so overwhelmed by how many ways I should or could make a beat and it drives me insane! So lately it’s just been the ko33 and the koala app but I should also mention I just ordered and waiting on an akai s20. It’s out of control 😵💫😵💫
I'm glad Roland just released an updated version of it. It's really nice!!!
Yup.
I used the 202 -303-505…..but never the 404!. But now the new 404 is a beast!. Gotta get one soon!. Great channel .. I watch all of your reviews!.💯👍🏿
MadLib put me on w/ the 303 and I never looked back⛵️
The flutter/vinyl sim on this machine was a gift from God.
Word Lol!
This was my first sampler.. sure koala can do all this and more but the sound is timeless . Loving these vids! Great stuff.
Thanks fam.
also having physical buttons and dials is always nice in my book :)
I only knew about the SPs back in the day from madlib. Hes the grand daddy of that machine.
True.
"It's great for video."
You may actually have completely nailed it. Completely. Nailed. It.
Lol. Thanks fam.
It was a staple in the LA beat scene by 2012
Yup.
I bought a 404 in. 2009/2010 for next to nothing in a pawn shop and then a 202 for like 40 bucks later that year. Nobody wanted them or cared. There was no boom bap revival yet and no one called beat tapes lofi hip hop at the time. I didn't see anyone really paying much attention to the 404 until years later when videos of Dibiase, Wun Two, Ras G, and Ill Brother Sugi started floating around. I'd also trace most of this shit back to the records/performers featured on Beat Pete's youtube channel. That guy was like the equivalent to stretch and bobbito for SP404 tapes and instrumental hip hop for a few years there and I think brought the 404 scene to a much wider audience without really meaning to.
Yeah the 404 now has a cult like following literally lol..You got them at a good time and for a really good price.
Great series bro! My first MP was the studio black, I can't wait for your video on that one.
No doubt.
What a great video man!! Like n sub. Big love from Argentina!
The SP-404was my first machine, bought it used in 2006 for 50 euros. Ended up selling it in 2014 for 400 euros. Nowadays i have the sp-404sx. The Compact Flash cards on the 404 were the reason i sold it. It is a solid machine.
Now thats a come up lol 400 euros!
I remember buying mine 10 year ago for 180 euros and now this is somehow worth the double! Not that I’m ready to part ways with him and his older 303 sibling any time soon...
I make everything with my SX. I love it completely, it's really a limiting machine but relies on your own sense of rhythm, and it makes you use your ears, which I love.
I never use the sequencer because you can't resample it. The only time I do is when I'm juggling with another sampler to record the sequencer, or during live performance.
The 555 is insane. Loop capture, FX banks, velocity sensitive pads. Awesome. You could use loop capture alone to build entire beats. If they made an SP-555SX I would sell anything I could to cop it.
I wouldn’t say the SX is limited by any means, along with the OG404 and so on…you wanna talk limitations when it comes to the SP family…the 202! Even the 303. But the best sounding out of all is the crusty 202
I love this series, man! Ave McCree gave you a shoutout on his stream on Friday! Much love man!
I’m an sp head, something about being able to just turn it on and bust something out is cool to me. You ever mess around with the electribe?
Gonna second this, again. The series is hilarious and fascinating. I landed here because I was comparing the MPC 500 to the electribe sampler.
Oh ok No doubt..gotta give Ave a shout out!..Never used the electribe but I did hear alot about it.
just got one a few days ago after listening to a bunch of stuff made with it, i dont get it yet but its such a cool and powerful machine! great video!
Dope video as always! I never had the pleasure of using a 404, 303 etc., but I have a Zoom Sampletrak ST-224 which a friend of mine generously gave to me, and I see how people make beats on the 404 with the resample method and apply it to that machine even though it has a (passable, but still not great) sequencer. The very hands on workflow is so fun, even if you have to do a few takes to get stuff exactly how you want.
I feel you..the resampling method is different but sometimes change is good.
no one can clone how this man creates music gear videos , Respect
Thanks bro!..I seen some trying Lmao!
I bought my sx this year. if it got a nice pitching function, it would definitely be my main device to work with, but it still gave me a lot of fun while messing with the effects!
Anyway, great video man! so cool to know that the og version got no one's attention in the first decade haha.
Lol yeah thats crazy.
Voice Transformer (or Octave) FX are there for pitching. You don't even need to resample if you didn't want to (but good luck to adjustment). Using these with a softpot/touchstrip will be better (doable by midi or hacking, ask me if you need it) like the Toraiz/Djs1000...
I copped the sp808 last year, copped the sp202 in January, and I just ordered the OG 404. It will be here next week.
Nice!!
Today’s the day im starting on the mix sampling only from your videos
Man this series is gold! I hope you capitalize on this and document all the obscure pieces of gear and all the favorites. Cheers man 💯
Thanks fam.
I miss my 404 and it's workflow so much- thinking about buying an MPC Live but not sure if it will have that same hands on experience!
I always thought the workflows between mpc and SP are worlds apart more or less. You should cop the OG again if your looking for that workflow. Or an older mpc
Warren Harris aka Hanna?
I got my sp404a a little over a week ago. My enjoyment in making music with it is growing. Loving it.
Dope videos. ..The MC-909 ! That would be a interesting one.
Yup..Thats definitely on the list. A real underrated machine.
I remember when these started popping up with bands in the scene. The only real complaint everyone had was the rca instead of 1/4" jacks.
Yup.
The ppl was getting the paper 😂 the price doubled and now I can’t get one 😂
Lol True.
Man you missed out mentioning about madlib, samiyam, teebs using the sp-404. way before the youtube era
Yeah I got him on the 303 video..But you right he went in on the 404.
I just got my SP404A, I love the effects, but for the life of me, I need some tutorials on how to make beats in the actual SP404A LOL
Lol..alot of resampling.
I love this channel. Just some down to earth guy who likes to talk about music gear
Lol Thanks bro.
Not exclusive to the Lofi scene...My favorite Dub Machine :-)
I feel u.
I see them all the time and I got too many grove boxes and I’m off and on about getting one, the price makes me think “eh later” lol
Lol..I feel u.
I just picked up a SP404mk2 about a year ago a few of my homies use older 404s I fell in love day one I own a MPC Studio black and Im not gonna lie I've been neglecting MPC lol im Sp404 Guy for life now lol but I have used them both together a couple of times and that was fun as hell
Enjoyed this one, keepin an eye out for the sp-202/303 whhw
Lol. No doubt fam.
I started off with a SP202 in 1999 with a boss 110 , they where my first hardware purchases , after using some crappy daws like fruity loops and one called Acid , and they where the last daws I ever used . I will always have a thing for the SPs and I think they are probably Roland's best products today , as Roland kinda went backwards after such greatness like the sh101 etc , keep thinking of getting the sp404A.
Acid pro... Ah memories
Idk but just ordered one to pair with my 1010 blackbox and novation circuit tracks
Oh ok cool.
I’m patiently waiting for a Novation Circuit Rhythm (think SP 404 (especially the effects) with the form and hands on functions of a Novation Circuit, whether it ends up with the same status as the SP 404….time will tell.
@@sawtooth808 Sounds dope.
I took my sp404sx apart to put new pads and skin on but now it doesn't record tried putting back the wires the way it was connected and still can't record.
Dang..Might have to check out the forums.
I love your videos. You should join so forums and learn some of the lore, because tbh there were cats using it, but it was underground. You are so right that the sp is most fun when you make the whole beat on it.
Thanks bro!..No doubt.
Don´t know why but the Roland´s instruments turn out later that they are dope :D hahaha - like the TB-303 and many other gear from them. The company is the foundation of so many musical genres today. Imagine no TR-808, 909 and those Recording-Modes, no TB-303 (forget the film Blade, everybody knows the acid-track, no one talks about Wesley Snipes if you ask about the film, the first answer is the track). Maybe they put it as a marketing joke on the next unit´s "This unit will create an entire new genre - but you have to wait 10 or 20 years". :D
Lol..I feel you.
Don’t forget dibiase ras g and flying lo used it 2005-2008 heavy and whole LA
I keep saying that I'm going to get one and then I always change my mind.
Get one!
I have a a sp-202 since 2001 it's still alive.
Nice.
Interesting, I woeked at GC when it came out,,,,, I thought it was a novice/amateur piece. Thanks for the info
No doubt fam.
Had mines since 2012...... LOVE IT!!
No doubt.
.... and I got a 2nd one in 2022..... 10 years later!!!
Cool series. Lots of insight. Nice
Shoulda been the SX, surely?
My OG sampler! I really knew this thing inside and out. Nowadays If I want limitation, I turn to the Electribe es1. I find it’s equally as limited as the 404, but for all the opposite reasons!
Lol!
I love my 404 so much!
I wanted the sp404a the green one. But I went with mpcx. Making melodies using the pads gives me a different feel, vibe
I feel u.
"SUurGey on the device"
Lol.
im thinking about swapping out my mpc one for one of these. i cant even update my one. it switches off for update mode then never switches back on again!
Dang thats messed up. Im not gonna lie the update process for the ONE is a drag lol.
Favorite piece!
I feel u.
Great videos. Just binged through all of them. Really good shit.
You got the same name for the show, and even the same way you say it, as an MMA podcast with Karyn Bryant, and Angela Hill. Kinda weird...
Wow..I got to check them out lol.
Hi friend.
I follow your great serie. what will happen to the korg electribe sampler 1? Haha
Saludos!
Its on the way lol.
Yoo this video is amazing
I purchase SP 404A I enjoyed using it, but it wasn't user friendly at compared to mpc live or machine so I sold it. Definitely thinking about purchasing it again it served its purpose.
I feel u..It has nice effects.
Do that SP 505
You should do a video on the 303 ! Much love
Thats a dope groove box..I definitely got it on the list.
watching ppl make crazy beats on them has always made me want one but don’t feel like i’m serious enough to purchase such hardware
It has a different workflow.
Can we get one on the Sequential Studio 440?
Lol..No doubt.
Yooo this is my new fucking favorite channel stg
I love my sp 404 mk2. Amazing device
No doubt!
Dude you got to talk about the Korg electribe
Lol. No doubt.
Just got a 404A... don't know anything about it - just bought it to learn something new.
Nice. Its always cool to try something different.
Thinking about getting my hands on a 303 this summer.
Nice.
How you feel about that SP404 Mk2??
Love these videos
Thanks fam.
Great video but now you have to do 1 for the SP-505,
Lol No doubt!
You see the new 404 Mk 2 dyreck?
I have an SP404SX from 2011 and can't believe how much value these things have gained in value. 1KG of SP404s is worth more than 1KG of gold. lol
Lmao.
Notice at 0:55 the audio is synced with the video
Dope...
The poor person's SP-808? Too bad they couldn't have put a little better display on it. Looks like something from RED Sound Systems.
Lol.
Yes finally my man came thru
Lol no doubt.
Dilla using the 404 for Donuts famously is I think one big factor that propelled the popularity. Nice explanation of how its sequencer isn't a full sequencer, but it IS something direct that you can do special. Btw you didn't mention the super unpopular successor, the SP-505 which i think came out '01 or '02? I got one used, really nice but I think it was too expensive for most ppl at the time (or they preferred an MPC or something else)
Yeah..I got to do one on the 505.
@@DyReckProductions ha I could help you on that one --- nobody bought it, probably because it was super expensive for a tabletop sampler that seemed a lil less aimed at DJs. Lots of nice features.
@@DaveDaves Yeah ima definitely look into it.
@@DyReckProductions the 505 I mentioned cuz you did such full videos on the others but man, theres a great story for the Roland D2, you could make a great video about it. I can provide some info to get you started.
@@DaveDaves No doubt I remember the d2. looked kinda funny..So alot of folks wasn't sure about it.
This is tight
No doubt fam.
My god brother coned me into buying a 303 hated the work flow but I copped a 505 after chopping it up with Kev Brown that's the best one in the series because it actually had a real sequencer in but they still couldnt touch the Sampltrak st 224 AKA the poor mans SP1200
I feel u.
I swear man no matter who you are it's like everyone owns an SP404/SX. Oddly it's also like one of those pieces of gear once you own it you never sell it for some reason. Rarely ever see people trying to get rid of these things. Go on Reverb or Ebay right now and see if you can even find someone trying to sell one of these things. You'd be lucky to find one or two desperate people.
True.
My SP404 is my baby.
I feel u.
Cha boi
J Dilla was on the 404 pretty early though
True.
What’s your opinion on the Akai mpx8 & 16???
Those are interesting pieces they could be used as midi controllers or stand alone samplers but they dont have a sequencer but they do have a looper..Since they both can take midi in I would use my software daw to sequence them and make beats that way using my daws sequencer and just playing out the melodies on the pads while messing around with the filters, tuning, start and end points and all that stuff..But if u just want them to trigger samples I think that's cool or if you want to use them as a midi controller I think that's cool..You can assign the midi note or command on the unit itself without having to go to an editor so that's cool..If I had to get one I would go for the cheaper 8 pad one since they essentially do the same thing just one has more pads..There are better options out there but if u know what your getting and is cool with that..then yeah I would choose the 8 pad one.
@@DyReckProductions my main concern with it is that I won’t be able to sample directly into the device. What other options do you recommend? I really enjoyed my SP505 and 606, but they are very pricey these days.
Vano 3000 the one who started the adult swim meme use the sp404a
Oh wow nice.
I got one in 2016 used for $100 at GC. I liked it but took it back because I felt it duplicated what I was doing with the iPad and my computer. Wish I would have kept it because the sound was butter.
Yeah the effects are dope.
Get koala sampler and FX. Fixed. ;)
@@thelabby9998 done and done. Got some tutorials on my page. Still like to hardware at times tho
@@Yo_whatupwithyou Get external fx unit if you want "analog gritter" and pad controller... (and dedicated iDevice just to make it standalone). There isn't anything more there... but obviously I use my iDevices as standalones (one iDevice one app or workflow). Making the numbers it got even cheaper (old iPhone like 5s or SE do the job in most apps)... I look into Samplers and loopers too (and I have/had hardware including the rc505, VariOS, SP...) but money wise these are a no go aside nostalgia IMO.
I can understand the nostalgia or "readybox" so that's why I point those "workarounds".
PD: check this, maybe it will be interesting for you...
th-cam.com/video/_nBK8sAl9nw/w-d-xo.html
@@thelabby9998 for sure. I use the mpd32 with koala as well as have tutorials using the mpc with the iPad th-cam.com/video/h57nM7rdCo0/w-d-xo.html