These two ODs are classics. They've been around forever, used by many, and highly copied. Do you like one over the other? Jump ahead: ► Intro - 0:00 ► But Why? - 0:20 ► How this shootout will go down - 1:29 ► Clean Channel - 1:47 ► Crunch Channel (Boosting the amp) - 5:24 ► My thoughts - 8:00 ► Outro - 8:52
The SD-1 has more attack but the TS-9 has more body. In a live situation the SD-1 will help the guitar cut through better by keeping it out of the way of the lower frequencies. In a studio situation the TS-9 is great for adding a touch of drive (and mids) to a fat metal tone.
I agree with this statement or if you have a bright amp at home the ts9 can help with some of the low and mids. I have a tube amp thats quite bright and its not a high distortion amp and i always use the ts9 with it. And if you go crazy you can make it chug at lower volume. which isn't possible without the ts9.
@@LeeKirkman88 Yeah the SD-1 adds brightness and also cuts a shitload of lows. The TS-9 also cuts lows, but not as much as the stock SD-1 (I think the Waza Custom mode fixes this somewhat), which makes it better for recording chuggy rhythm guitars IMO
Had a decent number of different ODs through the years, but SD-1 always found its way back on the board. Nowadays it doesn't leave my pedalboard and it's here to stay.
This is a cool channel which i did not know before seeing your Dimebag Collection video. I am jealous, believe me.. Both pedals sound pretty similar using it as a booster, even for guitar nerds it is very hard, if not almost impossible to tell which pedal is on. But shootout contest videos prove one thing: It does not really matter, which one of them you actually use.
I own an MXR Sugar Drive which I’ve owned for about 10 years and I love it but I’ve also been very curious about these 2 pedals for a long time so I just ordered myself an SD-1 to see what differences I can find between the 2 and perhaps in a few months I’ll get a TS9. Great video man.
I have the boss and like it. I use to have the Ibanez and sold it when I gave up my tube amp. I recently bought a new blues junior and I think that I will get the Ibanez again. I agree with your summary that it is a little warmer than the boss. I will keep the Boss as well it can't be beat for the money .
I used a TS9 in front of an over driven marshall 100w for years. Sounded great. Level slammed and just a tickle of drive. Now I use an SD1 and it’s just as good, but there’s a lot more gain on tap if you want it. The SD1 is a hotter pedal in general.
there are two differences between the two pedals.. assymterical clipping (SD1), symmertical clipping (TS9),, The drive on the SD1 has more uneven harmonics making it a bit more "amp-like" in the overdrive character and a bit more raspy with increased drive,, has slightly more drive than the TS9. The other difference in the tone knob..Both pedals are mid focused and cuts bottom and highs,, but the tone knob on the SD1 sweeps more from low mids to high mids.. The TS9 is more a traditional high cut knob.. with knobs at noon the TS9 lets through more high bass,, the SD1 cuts a lot of bass att noon.. you need to roll the tone knob down around 10.30 (clock) to more match the tone on the TS9.
Interesting thing... The Behringer Vintage Tube Overdrive sounds like the older version of the TS9, the TS808 I think, it's smoother, and remembers the on/off state. Only costs 40 bucks Canadian. 😊
The Behringer tube overdrive TO-100 and the TS9 sound exactly the same, it is impossible to hear any difference in a blind test. Get one of those, if you find it. I did, and I could not be happier with the results. I use it as a booster in front of a Randall Rg80ES. I think it even looks pretty good, and there is nothing to complain about , besides it is not that easy to change batteries. I can live with that. There is of course nothing wrong with the original pedal, but market prices for vintage TS9 Pedals are crazy. Even for the ugly TS10. That can easily be 30 times more as a Behringer clone would cost.
I see why so many people use the TS9 to Boost a Dirty Amp... Although not worlds apart but the TS9 sounded better... At least to my ears!!! Thanks for the upload. Cheers.
SD-1 has twice as much gain available so even if you removed the extra clipping diode it can be more saturated. On the other had the SD-1 has a lower minimum gain as well.
Spend less on the SD-1 and change a few parts to make it sound like a TS9. There are tutorials out there to convert it to a TS9 which are quite involved. In actuality you don’t need to change as many parts to capture the essence of the TS9. If you leave the corner frequency of the first low pass filter at 880 Hz instead of dropping it down to 720 Hz, much of the cut will remain in tact. You might also elect to keep the asymmetrical clipping which will provide more output. - Change C2 to 0.1uF (more low end) - Change R7 to 1k (EQ scaling) - Change C4 to 0.18uF (EQ scaling, keep 880 Hz low pass; change to 0.22uF for 720 Hz) - Change R9 to 1k (EQ scaling) - Remove C6 (Tames the harshness of the SD-1; no longer necessary) - Change R8 to 220 (TS9 tone control) - Change C5 to 0.22uF (TS9 tone control) If you switch to symmetrical clipping: - Short D6 - Change R5 to 51k - Add 1M across the gain control - Add 51pF across D4
This is very, very unexpected! In pure sound, the sd-1 feels clearly angrier and brighter than the ts9, after which I do not understand why on high-gain everything is exactly the opposite, the sd-1 sounds cool, but cool as at a rehearsal, concert or at home. TS9 on high-gain sounds like on a studio album of your favorite heavy band, and not like a rehearsal... And it's a pity. I don't like ibanez, I like the appearance of the sd-1 much more, and its accessibility. It's very sad to realize that on high-gain it clearly blew =((
I use both always on in front of my mesa trecto ch2. I bump the drive up just a tad on the sd1 and roll off the tone just a bit. Ts9 is level 10 drive 0 tone at 1
Tube screamer doesn't sounds twice times better for me not always more expensive means better all the way TS nose Sd-1 more versatile with most wider range frecuency
The thing is, it doesn't really matter if the boss is half the price, if you fully want the best tone you can get it is worth paying out as a one off to get the pedal that sounds better, also behringers are literally a copy of boss pedals, which they sell cheaper than boss, because they use slightly cheaper casing and the hardware they keep on site at there company, unlike boss who ship in, therefore costing them more money to make in the long run, it's actually really interesting if you look into that, I'm sure behringer probably have a copy of that pedal for half the price of that even so shouldn't they be mentioned in this also?
Not in my experience. The TS is more compressed, which is why I prefer it. Doesn’t mean it’s better than the SD-1, I just like the way it feels boosting a dirty amp, or another pedal.
@@ScottBynoe I understand, I'm telling you that, because I found one on the second-hand market for € 75, I also own the classic, I'll tell you what I think. Otherwise continue your videos ;-)
Correct me if I’m wrong but the ts9 is a transparent OD. It doesn’t add mid range like the ts808. The SD1 is better compared with the ts808. Ts9 is not really the same pedal. Also no this comparison is not boring because I hate boutique pedals. I stick with the classics. So thanks for the vid
It’s true. Between the Maxon and Ibanez they’re all pretty much the same. I have a video to drive that point home - th-cam.com/video/9ZzFcKlpS3w/w-d-xo.html
From a completely objective perspective the circuits are almost identical with slight changes and TS9 is symmetrical clipping while the SD1 is asymmetrical. They are both meant to be used for the same things. These are not different pedal types with different intended functions as you seem to think they are.
they both sound equally crap ... because the blue channel on the Stealth 50W is 100% crap. flat, lifeless, cold, extremely harsh, and plain rubbish. On the flip side, the EL34 blue channel was made to be boosted.
These two ODs are classics. They've been around forever, used by many, and highly copied. Do you like one over the other?
Jump ahead:
► Intro - 0:00
► But Why? - 0:20
► How this shootout will go down - 1:29
► Clean Channel - 1:47
► Crunch Channel (Boosting the amp) - 5:24
► My thoughts - 8:00
► Outro - 8:52
SD-1 just has somethin' more to it. You can hear it, like fuller sound. Cant explain.
The SD-1 has more attack but the TS-9 has more body. In a live situation the SD-1 will help the guitar cut through better by keeping it out of the way of the lower frequencies. In a studio situation the TS-9 is great for adding a touch of drive (and mids) to a fat metal tone.
I agree with this statement or if you have a bright amp at home the ts9 can help with some of the low and mids. I have a tube amp thats quite bright and its not a high distortion amp and i always use the ts9 with it. And if you go crazy you can make it chug at lower volume. which isn't possible without the ts9.
@@LeeKirkman88 Yeah the SD-1 adds brightness and also cuts a shitload of lows. The TS-9 also cuts lows, but not as much as the stock SD-1 (I think the Waza Custom mode fixes this somewhat), which makes it better for recording chuggy rhythm guitars IMO
Had a decent number of different ODs through the years, but SD-1 always found its way back on the board. Nowadays it doesn't leave my pedalboard and it's here to stay.
Boss SD-1 all day!! For the price it can't be beat!
Totally! It's a no brainer pedal to have.
David Gilmour is a reach man and prefer Sd-1 who knows why
I have the sd1 and it just makes your tubes crackle like on the edge of breakup and i love it.
This is a cool channel which i did not know before seeing your Dimebag Collection video. I am jealous, believe me..
Both pedals sound pretty similar using it as a booster, even for guitar nerds it is very hard, if not almost impossible to tell which pedal is on. But shootout contest videos prove one thing: It does not really matter, which one of them you actually use.
I have both.... for overdrive tones i love the sd1.... for boosting other distortions i go with the ts9. I love both of them
Love the SD aggression
These would probably sound good in a mix together. Couple of tracks with SD 1 couple with ts9 would be interesting to hear in a mix.
I own an MXR Sugar Drive which I’ve owned for about 10 years and I love it but I’ve also been very curious about these 2 pedals for a long time so I just ordered myself an SD-1 to see what differences I can find between the 2 and perhaps in a few months I’ll get a TS9. Great video man.
I have the boss and like it. I use to have the Ibanez and sold it when I gave up my tube amp. I recently bought a new blues junior and I think that I will get the Ibanez again. I agree with your summary that it is a little warmer than the boss. I will keep the Boss as well it can't be beat for the money .
I used a TS9 in front of an over driven marshall 100w for years. Sounded great. Level slammed and just a tickle of drive. Now I use an SD1 and it’s just as good, but there’s a lot more gain on tap if you want it.
The SD1 is a hotter pedal in general.
Great video.Sweet playing too.Thanks.
Thanks, appreciate that!
awesome man
Thank you sir!
That Mayones guitar sounds pretty bright i must say.
there are two differences between the two pedals.. assymterical clipping (SD1), symmertical clipping (TS9),, The drive on the SD1 has more uneven harmonics making it a bit more "amp-like" in the overdrive character and a bit more raspy with increased drive,, has slightly more drive than the TS9.
The other difference in the tone knob..Both pedals are mid focused and cuts bottom and highs,, but the tone knob on the SD1 sweeps more from low mids to high mids.. The TS9 is more a traditional high cut knob.. with knobs at noon the TS9 lets through more high bass,, the SD1 cuts a lot of bass att noon.. you need to roll the tone knob down around 10.30 (clock) to more match the tone on the TS9.
Great comparison and nice playing, I like both maybe the SD-1 for a tad 👍🏽
Cheers. Thanks!
Interesting thing... The Behringer Vintage Tube Overdrive sounds like the older version of the TS9, the TS808 I think, it's smoother, and remembers the on/off state. Only costs 40 bucks Canadian. 😊
The Behringer tube overdrive TO-100 and the TS9 sound exactly the same, it is impossible to hear any difference in a blind test. Get one of those, if you find it. I did, and I could not be happier with the results. I use it as a booster in front of a Randall Rg80ES. I think it even looks pretty good, and there is nothing to complain about , besides it is not that easy to change batteries. I can live with that. There is of course nothing wrong with the original pedal, but market prices for vintage TS9 Pedals are crazy. Even for the ugly TS10. That can easily be 30 times more as a Behringer clone would cost.
I agree, the Behringer is a real goodie. For the money, it sounds amazing, and to my ears not as harsh as the TS-9.
I see why so many people use the TS9 to Boost a Dirty Amp... Although not worlds apart but the TS9 sounded better... At least to my ears!!! Thanks for the upload. Cheers.
I agree, I tend to like the TS9 a bit more, but for the price the SD1 is a fantastic pedal. Thanks for watching!
Its symmetric vs asymmetrical clipping,matter of preference both do same job with different way
SD-1 has twice as much gain available so even if you removed the extra clipping diode it can be more saturated. On the other had the SD-1 has a lower minimum gain as well.
I like the TS-9 better for boosting. I do love both pedals though! Great video!
I like them both too. Each work well in certain applications. The sd1 is great in lower tunings and on my 7. Thanks for watching!
Same for me. But for overdrive tones i like the sound of the sd1
I have an SD 1 with the TS808/TS9 mod. A low fi JRC4558D chip. It sounds stellar.
Spend less on the SD-1 and change a few parts to make it sound like a TS9. There are tutorials out there to convert it to a TS9 which are quite involved. In actuality you don’t need to change as many parts to capture the essence of the TS9. If you leave the corner frequency of the first low pass filter at 880 Hz instead of dropping it down to 720 Hz, much of the cut will remain in tact. You might also elect to keep the asymmetrical clipping which will provide more output.
- Change C2 to 0.1uF (more low end)
- Change R7 to 1k (EQ scaling)
- Change C4 to 0.18uF (EQ scaling, keep 880 Hz low pass; change to 0.22uF for 720 Hz)
- Change R9 to 1k (EQ scaling)
- Remove C6 (Tames the harshness of the SD-1; no longer necessary)
- Change R8 to 220 (TS9 tone control)
- Change C5 to 0.22uF (TS9 tone control)
If you switch to symmetrical clipping:
- Short D6
- Change R5 to 51k
- Add 1M across the gain control
- Add 51pF across D4
Great riff, dude!
Thanks man! I whipped it up about 5 minutes before turning on the camera. I'll have to remind myself how to play it. Might have potential.
I like both, but the Ibanez is a little harsh like you said. Plus it doesn't remember the on/off state. BOSS is still boss. 😊
SD 1 is the best. Money well spent
Agreed!
i have boss SD, it really boost the mid, thick, love it. i would like to have TS
They both sound great! Tube screamer a little better at times? Definitely not worth twice as much though
Valve amp at point of breakup, SD1 and then a distortion pedal = tone
👍🇺🇲❤SD-1
You can't go wrong with either, but the TS9 sounds a bit better to me
For darker amps I prefer the sd1, for brighter harsher amps then ts9.
In Oz, mini TS and sd1 are similar cost. Can't decide what's better!
Get both, and part ways with the one you end up liking least ;)
@@ScottBynoe probably! thanks mate!
This is very, very unexpected! In pure sound, the sd-1 feels clearly angrier and brighter than the ts9, after which I do not understand why on high-gain everything is exactly the opposite, the sd-1 sounds cool, but cool as at a rehearsal, concert or at home. TS9 on high-gain sounds like on a studio album of your favorite heavy band, and not like a rehearsal... And it's a pity. I don't like ibanez, I like the appearance of the sd-1 much more, and its accessibility. It's very sad to realize that on high-gain it clearly blew =((
I use both always on in front of my mesa trecto ch2. I bump the drive up just a tad on the sd1 and roll off the tone just a bit. Ts9 is level 10 drive 0 tone at 1
I'm very proud of you
@@craigswensen434 thanks dad :)
Lol
I always prefer the sd1. I only paid 50 new, 80 seems high.
Great video man, straight to the meat and bones of it all. SD1 pushes the amp towards a hard rock tone while the TS makes it sound tighter and metal.
Thanks for watching!
Tube screamer doesn't sounds twice times better for me not always more expensive means better all the way TS nose Sd-1 more versatile with most wider range frecuency
The thing is, it doesn't really matter if the boss is half the price, if you fully want the best tone you can get it is worth paying out as a one off to get the pedal that sounds better, also behringers are literally a copy of boss pedals, which they sell cheaper than boss, because they use slightly cheaper casing and the hardware they keep on site at there company, unlike boss who ship in, therefore costing them more money to make in the long run, it's actually really interesting if you look into that, I'm sure behringer probably have a copy of that pedal for half the price of that even so shouldn't they be mentioned in this also?
Is the SD more compressed?
Not in my experience. The TS is more compressed, which is why I prefer it. Doesn’t mean it’s better than the SD-1, I just like the way it feels boosting a dirty amp, or another pedal.
The TS 9 functions as a LPF.
Cool video !
Another battle : SD1 vs SD-1W ;-)
Haha I don’t know if I want to spend the money on the W!
@@ScottBynoe I understand, I'm telling you that, because I found one on the second-hand market for € 75, I also own the classic, I'll tell you what I think. Otherwise continue your videos ;-)
Ya let me know what you think. If I can find one for a decent price used I might go for it.
I got the sd-1 of a guy for £10, best £10 I’ve ever spent
SD1 for heavy, detuned music. TS9 for metal/rock.
Is Heavy detuned music not a metal?;)
@@RomanRotten SD-1 cuts a lot of bass, that is very good for low tunings. I know musicians that play in standard tuning and they hate that bass-cut.
@@FungusLabel yeah but metal is low tuned often - I mean that;)
Sd1 is rock
Gary Moore used the SD1
Correct me if I’m wrong but the ts9 is a transparent OD. It doesn’t add mid range like the ts808. The SD1 is better compared with the ts808. Ts9 is not really the same pedal. Also no this comparison is not boring because I hate boutique pedals. I stick with the classics. So thanks for the vid
Cheers man! Thanks for watching. I don’t have a TS808 on hand to do the comparison. I do have an OD808 though. Maybe for another day.
Hey brother. I don’t want to sound like a jerk. The TS9 and 808 both add Ibanez mid hump. The pedals are almost identical in sound.
It’s true. Between the Maxon and Ibanez they’re all pretty much the same. I have a video to drive that point home - th-cam.com/video/9ZzFcKlpS3w/w-d-xo.html
From a completely objective perspective the circuits are almost identical with slight changes and TS9 is symmetrical clipping while the SD1 is asymmetrical. They are both meant to be used for the same things. These are not different pedal types with different intended functions as you seem to think they are.
they both sound equally crap ... because the blue channel on the Stealth 50W is 100% crap.
flat, lifeless, cold, extremely harsh, and plain rubbish.
On the flip side, the EL34 blue channel was made to be boosted.
BOSS = Roland good.
ts9
Ts-9 a lot better, change your headphones. Ts9 is more transparent and pleasing sounding
true :)