I had the same thought. It was by far the best mod I ever made to my '91. It made the car usable, reduced the noise from the t-tops, etc. It was like a different car.
Oh I bought a new 87 Iroc convertible 5spd 4whl disc anniversary edition. Had the 305 in it but still had a blast with it. Got stolen three times on me. Did a full black repaint at a Ferrari repair shop. Threw a momo steering wheel as well as momo wheels. Car was just an absolute blast !
It was awesome talking with you guys about the project. I’m happy to see more people are showing interest in the 3rd gen platform. I can’t wait to see it complete!
I'm loving this. I had an 85 Z/28 but really wanted the IROC just couldn't afford it at the time. I would love to have an IROC now and do what you're doing.
This is shaping up to be a really cool build series. As a guy who had one in high school in '90-'91, I can tell you, the cool factor was off the charts. We had a group of about five of us who hung out and drove Camaro's and 'Birds and thought we were pretty cool with our 200 horsepower V8 "muscle cars". Haha.
I’m looking forward to seeing more episodes! I have owned one for 19 years and I never thought I’d see the day that they would be desirable but it’s finally here.
so cool that you guys are doing a 3rd gen. I too was in High School when they came out and they were decent performers for what we had back then. I have always said that with some smart modifications/upgrades they can be really great performers. Looking forward to the finished product.
Two-time 3rd generation owner here with one 4th-gen ('84 Z28 L69 with a 5-speed, and an '89 Trans Am GTA L98 sadly only an auto available). Both cars were sub-7 second 0-60 even in stock form which was great for that era. However, I always wanted more out of that GTA. By the time I could afford to seriously modify it with a blower and internals and bolt-ons, 1993 came around with the 4th-gen LT1 F-bodies, and I dropped an order in for a 1993 Firebird Formula 6-speed. Now that car responded to simple bolt-ons like nobody's business. A basic intake, computer chip, and exhaust mod shot that thing up to 300hp or so from a reported 275hp from the factory (same thing SLP did for the Firehawks and SS Camaro for a LOT more money). The easy hp estimate benchmark was going from a 14.0s @ 100mph 1/4 mile stock to a 13.8s @ 103mph after those mods on the same track in similar tire and air temp conditions. But I will say one thing: stock for stock on suspension, both of my 3rd gens cornered better than that 4-gen. The GTA had the WS6 suspension, which was similar to the IROC's suspension if I remember correctly. I still dream about that GTA *and* Z28 which I surmise I'm not alone on as I've been watching the soaring prices of the 3rd gens now! Great video guys!
That's how it was over in the Ford camp, post 1987. GT40 parts over the dealer counter and installed would get near 300hp, but if you got the lightweight coupe...that was enough to get what was really good performance back then (old musclecars rocking over 10:1 CR needed high octane fuel not really availible at the pump unless you mixed Sunoco 94 octane with booster or went to the airport for some AvGas, so what you saw often was 396s versus L88's, etc). Unfortunately, GM gave those LT1/LS1 engines a weak rear axle if you tried slicks--it almost was like 1961, when Chevy used the axle from 1955 designed for 283 hp or less in their new 409 models and they snapped often at the strip.
Where I was living in the late 80s and early 90s, the biggest thing all Iroc owners did,,,,, pull out the timing gears and chain and put a noisy gear drive in it. That was pretty much the extent of it. And it was only done to give it that blower whine. But once they did that they all claimed the cars were so much faster. I'm not kidding. We all used to make so much fun of those guys. And the fox body cars too. We would go to the local track on the weekend and it was just a sea of those cars. One after another. The all ran approximately the same time. The only difference was the paint colour. But it was all in good fun.
I love the car but it kills me to see you get rid of the tpi. I know it's not up to modern standards but it was the soul of the iroc package. It will still be awesome when its done
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the cost of those Edelbrock motors and American Powertrain transmissions. Longing for this type of content, but more focus on budget friendly builds. Too many of these types of video series scenarios start with a great platform, then drop upwards of $28K like it's a drop in the bucket.
It's never a drop in the bucket. The crate engine was a great alternative to rebuilding the original engine and then trying to get the same amount of power. This is a guide, not a must-do - bear in mind you can do as many, or as few mods as you'd like.
@@hemmingsmotornews Naturally, but when you watch these videos and the folks say, "We got this fully built and dressed long-block from blank company, and this transmission from that company... the average Joe just can't swing that kind of money. Don't get me wrong, I watch these videos religiously. Keep up the good work.
@@redlawyers Trust me, we get it. A lot of these show are about the possibilities and the "what if's" with this build, most of the parts are attainable individually - but you're absolutely right, all together, it's a good spend.
These cars were subject to nothing more than budget daily driver builds for decades in automotive media. One finally getting built above that is a welcome change IMO.
2 things man, #1 that iroc rehab shirt is bitchin so we’re gonna need you to release some 🤘🏽! #2 these episodes need to be longer man they’re my favorite thing to watch and it keeps me even more motivated to find and fix the problem on my 3rd gen camaro. Now question to any man/women that owns a 3rd gen camaro im 23 yrs old so im still learning but even if i was 42 id still be learning because car knowledge is endless haha so anyways man my 3rd gen camaro tries to stall when i come to a stop! now i changed the fuel pump (made a trap door) since it gave out and i changed some old ruined rubber fuel lines but after taking it for a test drive it still tried to stall and at this point im out of ideas man and im also not made of money so if anyone of you has an ideas of what it could be or what i can do to figure this problem out id highly appreciate man!
What engine ? Fuel injection obviously. Has there been any mechanical modifications done to the engine, or is it just bone stock ? Let me know. I've worked on a pile of these cars. Mainly when they were somewhat new.
@@Mike-qp8bv its 3.1L but the stalling happens when i come to a stop, the engine is bone stock didn’t bother to do anything to it since i plan on buying and building a 350. Let know if you have any clue man id highly appreciate it!
If it has an automatic transmission it could be as simple as the torque converter clutch not releasing. Testing procedures and schematics are a google search away bu if you can get a Haynes manual it's worth every penny.
Lots of GM cars went together that way on the marriage line. First Gen compacts (Pontiac Tempest, Olds F85, Buick Special - even the Corvair, sort of) plus the First and Second Gen Fs and Xs.
Maybe I'm alone on this one, first I am big car guy and always been a fan of Hemmings. Great publication and great online site that is truly valuable for the collector car marketplace. Their video content goes beyond well done, and I'm a huge fan of the Iroc Camaro, have owned a black L98 no t-top since new. All that said, I also like this host along with others, however...Do people think it's cool to take the Lord's name in vain? Simply dont understand, obviously lacking a relationship with the Lord. I'm not the language police, and I'm sure many dont care, but please let us all take a moment to consider what we say. If none of this bothers you, hope you will take some time and seek the Lord. Besides all that, take your t-tops out and have a great day cruising your Irocs or whatever your ride may be, have a great day.
Carfax only reveals accidents reported to insurance, so it's not uncommon to find a repair attempted out of pocket to avoid being dropped or having the monthly payment rise. Dumping the drivetrain the Mopar way means you can use the subframe later as an engine test stand before bolting it all back in to find a leaky rear main seal or tune the TPI and reach every sensor easier than working around strut towers.
Short, but sweet! In all my years watching all the different car shows, one one little complaint is never knowing what kinda prices where talking about! Would it be so bad letting us average Joe's know? Engine/trans...boom. Suspension..boom. Exhaust..boom. Comes a point where you'll spend more than she's worth. A thought. Thanks Hemmings.
I see youse did not actually show what your disconnected, to drop the subframe/engine/.trans. You missed a valuable teaching moment. Something way more valuable than the "Coffee Cup" shot, and all the "Chit Chat" scenes. ( 1989 IROC Z Convertible 305 TPI/A4 owner) This will be a VERY VALUABLE video the the "Third-Gen F-Body Community, if youse show more wrenching,
great to see Musto back in action what drives me crazy is the low views on youtube .. this guy has a huge following ... the youtube algorithm sucks ....
With not having to deal with auto transmission and using that standard trans IMO the motor is kinda on the wimpy side.. Good motor if it had the stockish 700r4 with converter but running that 5 speed 425-450 hp would of been very streetable and trackable car!
350-400 hp is about the perfect amount of power for the auto-x and road course for a casual use car. You can utilize 100% of it without getting out of hand, and the manual let's you play and have more fun.
mikes back baby! ha. wow. shit is changing. get rid of the chops bro! your chick might not want to hang with santa. lol. and the car is wild. i towed 2 boats to long beach l.i. from vegas.
Love the channel but the high-pitch to low-toned voices this guy makes and the hyper focused eyes throws me off. Mike, If you’re reading this, work on your confidence and don’t compare yourself to the other automotive channels you may look up to. Keep going, dude!
Ok I get it, you gotta pay the bills,but this whole episode felt like a giant commercial with little to no car building, if episode #3 is more of the same I'm unsubscribing
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This episode was too short. We need more 3rd gen content. 👍🏼😎
Lots more coming! See you next Tuesday!
@@hemmingsmotornews where is this shop located
@@jeffreymadia1725 Down the road from 107 Depot St, Bennington, VT 05201 (the Distillery mentioned)
Glad to see 3rd Gen's finally getting some respect.
these eps should be around a half hour for sure. So excited for this build, PLEASE give us nice long content!
Appreciate that and perhaps we'll get more in-depth on the next series. For now think of these as a guide book, more than an instructional series.
I like the detail on longer episodes, but honestly 10-15min videos will always get a watch and the 20-40min videos often go into the watch later bin
@@dsb1829 Exactly
All that new, HI Performance suspension, really ought to include Subframe Connectors! Third Gen F-Bodies are known for unibody flex.
I had the same thought. It was by far the best mod I ever made to my '91. It made the car usable, reduced the noise from the t-tops, etc. It was like a different car.
3rd gens to the front!
Oh I bought a new 87 Iroc convertible 5spd 4whl disc anniversary edition. Had the 305 in it but still had a blast with it. Got stolen three times on me. Did a full black repaint at a Ferrari repair shop. Threw a momo steering wheel as well as momo wheels. Car was just an absolute blast !
It was awesome talking with you guys about the project. I’m happy to see more people are showing interest in the 3rd gen platform. I can’t wait to see it complete!
They're actually wonderful cars and it doesn't take much to bring them into the 21st century.
I'm loving this. I had an 85 Z/28 but really wanted the IROC just couldn't afford it at the time. I would love to have an IROC now and do what you're doing.
This is shaping up to be a really cool build series. As a guy who had one in high school in '90-'91, I can tell you, the cool factor was off the charts. We had a group of about five of us who hung out and drove Camaro's and 'Birds and thought we were pretty cool with our 200 horsepower V8 "muscle cars". Haha.
We worked with what we had 😂
I’m looking forward to seeing more episodes! I have owned one for 19 years and I never thought I’d see the day that they would be desirable but it’s finally here.
Oh it's here alright....
Awesome! I have a Pro-Flo on a 406 that I'm in the dissemble process on the car. Engine is built. Ford 9 inch from Trick Chassis. Come on spring!
so cool that you guys are doing a 3rd gen. I too was in High School when they came out and they were decent performers for what we had back then. I have always said that with some smart modifications/upgrades they can be really great performers. Looking forward to the finished product.
Stay tuned then, because you'll definitely enjoy the finished product!
Its all in the heads
Two-time 3rd generation owner here with one 4th-gen ('84 Z28 L69 with a 5-speed, and an '89 Trans Am GTA L98 sadly only an auto available). Both cars were sub-7 second 0-60 even in stock form which was great for that era. However, I always wanted more out of that GTA. By the time I could afford to seriously modify it with a blower and internals and bolt-ons, 1993 came around with the 4th-gen LT1 F-bodies, and I dropped an order in for a 1993 Firebird Formula 6-speed. Now that car responded to simple bolt-ons like nobody's business. A basic intake, computer chip, and exhaust mod shot that thing up to 300hp or so from a reported 275hp from the factory (same thing SLP did for the Firehawks and SS Camaro for a LOT more money). The easy hp estimate benchmark was going from a 14.0s @ 100mph 1/4 mile stock to a 13.8s @ 103mph after those mods on the same track in similar tire and air temp conditions. But I will say one thing: stock for stock on suspension, both of my 3rd gens cornered better than that 4-gen. The GTA had the WS6 suspension, which was similar to the IROC's suspension if I remember correctly. I still dream about that GTA *and* Z28 which I surmise I'm not alone on as I've been watching the soaring prices of the 3rd gens now! Great video guys!
That's how it was over in the Ford camp, post 1987. GT40 parts over the dealer counter and installed would get near 300hp, but if you got the lightweight coupe...that was enough to get what was really good performance back then (old musclecars rocking over 10:1 CR needed high octane fuel not really availible at the pump unless you mixed Sunoco 94 octane with booster or went to the airport for some AvGas, so what you saw often was 396s versus L88's, etc). Unfortunately, GM gave those LT1/LS1 engines a weak rear axle if you tried slicks--it almost was like 1961, when Chevy used the axle from 1955 designed for 283 hp or less in their new 409 models and they snapped often at the strip.
Love a good eighties build, can't wait to see the finish!
Just Glad they are using an Actual Small Block Chevy and NOT doing the LS swap. So tired of those.
We were as well.
Nice! Looking forward to the next one
A shame it was not left original. Love these Z28s.
Where I was living in the late 80s and early 90s, the biggest thing all Iroc owners did,,,,, pull out the timing gears and chain and put a noisy gear drive in it. That was pretty much the extent of it. And it was only done to give it that blower whine. But once they did that they all claimed the cars were so much faster. I'm not kidding. We all used to make so much fun of those guys. And the fox body cars too. We would go to the local track on the weekend and it was just a sea of those cars. One after another. The all ran approximately the same time. The only difference was the paint colour. But it was all in good fun.
HA! That's awesome!
I love the car but it kills me to see you get rid of the tpi. I know it's not up to modern standards but it was the soul of the iroc package. It will still be awesome when its done
agreed--if you're going to replace the engine, save money and buy a 305 model.
🔥Beautiful Beautiful Beautiful🔥
Mike please do an 80s Monte Carlo SS! (we know you have a sweet spot for the Montes😉)
That is correct.
These are criminally short!!! Great content anyway.
I need come see this shop. I have 87 iroc I need to rehab too.
Love it , I am really happy to see the camaro . I have one myself and just love the lines
Old engine looked sexier man.
Awesome! I Love third gens!
I’m a fox body guy, I love this. Can’t wait till the next episode. 👌
Hey, thanks Alonso!
I love it! definately want to see more in each episode, or just load them all up at once!
One each tuesday!
Love Terry's vibe. Calm and straight forward. Learning from him.
Terry is a master.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the cost of those Edelbrock motors and American Powertrain transmissions. Longing for this type of content, but more focus on budget friendly builds. Too many of these types of video series scenarios start with a great platform, then drop upwards of $28K like it's a drop in the bucket.
It's never a drop in the bucket. The crate engine was a great alternative to rebuilding the original engine and then trying to get the same amount of power. This is a guide, not a must-do - bear in mind you can do as many, or as few mods as you'd like.
I have about 11k in my 406 build. That includes the Pro-Flo and fully forged assembly. Everything is expensive.
@@hemmingsmotornews Naturally, but when you watch these videos and the folks say, "We got this fully built and dressed long-block from blank company, and this transmission from that company... the average Joe just can't swing that kind of money. Don't get me wrong, I watch these videos religiously. Keep up the good work.
@@redlawyers Trust me, we get it. A lot of these show are about the possibilities and the "what if's" with this build, most of the parts are attainable individually - but you're absolutely right, all together, it's a good spend.
These cars were subject to nothing more than budget daily driver builds for decades in automotive media. One finally getting built above that is a welcome change IMO.
2 things man, #1 that iroc rehab shirt is bitchin so we’re gonna need you to release some 🤘🏽! #2 these episodes need to be longer man they’re my favorite thing to watch and it keeps me even more motivated to find and fix the problem on my 3rd gen camaro.
Now question to any man/women that owns a 3rd gen camaro im 23 yrs old so im still learning but even if i was 42 id still be learning because car knowledge is endless haha so anyways man my 3rd gen camaro tries to stall when i come to a stop! now i changed the fuel pump (made a trap door) since it gave out and i changed some old ruined rubber fuel lines but after taking it for a test drive it still tried to stall and at this point im out of ideas man and im also not made of money so if anyone of you has an ideas of what it could be or what i can do to figure this problem out id highly appreciate man!
What engine ? Fuel injection obviously. Has there been any mechanical modifications done to the engine, or is it just bone stock ? Let me know. I've worked on a pile of these cars. Mainly when they were somewhat new.
@@Mike-qp8bv its 3.1L but the stalling happens when i come to a stop, the engine is bone stock didn’t bother to do anything to it since i plan on buying and building a 350. Let know if you have any clue man id highly appreciate it!
@@Mike-qp8bv This is why the internet is amazing!
If it has an automatic transmission it could be as simple as the torque converter clutch not releasing. Testing procedures and schematics are a google search away bu if you can get a Haynes manual it's worth every penny.
@@lb9gta307 i was thinking of buying a haynes manual ill buy one but ill check exactly what you told me appreciate it man!
Lots of GM cars went together that way on the marriage line. First Gen compacts (Pontiac Tempest, Olds F85, Buick Special - even the Corvair, sort of) plus the First and Second Gen Fs and Xs.
I'd drop a 383 or 406 sbc in it.
Maybe I'm alone on this one, first I am big car guy and always been a fan of Hemmings. Great publication and great online site that is truly valuable for the collector car marketplace. Their video content goes beyond well done, and I'm a huge fan of the Iroc Camaro, have owned a black L98 no t-top since new. All that said, I also like this host along with others, however...Do people think it's cool to take the Lord's name in vain? Simply dont understand, obviously lacking a relationship with the Lord. I'm not the language police, and I'm sure many dont care, but please let us all take a moment to consider what we say. If none of this bothers you, hope you will take some time and seek the Lord. Besides all that, take your t-tops out and have a great day cruising your Irocs or whatever your ride may be, have a great day.
glad to see Mike from House of Muscle is back!
Thanks!
Nice to see Hemmings at the home base and not out west, like they forgot the roots for a bit.
Nah... we just had to revamp some stuff 😉
You should look at the Detroit Speed Engineering 3rd Gen Camaro. Wow, they got parts!
They definitely do - we'd need a bigger budget that one though!
The I-Knock
Well played
Carfax only reveals accidents reported to insurance, so it's not uncommon to find a repair attempted out of pocket to avoid being dropped or having the monthly payment rise. Dumping the drivetrain the Mopar way means you can use the subframe later as an engine test stand before bolting it all back in to find a leaky rear main seal or tune the TPI and reach every sensor easier than working around strut towers.
That is EXACTLY correct!
Short, but sweet! In all my years watching all the different car shows, one one little complaint is never knowing what kinda prices where talking about! Would it be so bad letting us average Joe's know? Engine/trans...boom. Suspension..boom. Exhaust..boom. Comes a point where you'll spend more than she's worth. A thought. Thanks Hemmings.
Noted and noted! However each and every part along with their cost can be found on the respective suppliers websites - hope this helps.
I agree with Trent the 3red gen iroc convertible is the best looking convertible probably ever put into production.
It's a great looking car no doubt
Be nice if summit sponsored me an my son's 85 L69,5speed Iroc Z
Can we get the list of all the parts, including engine and transmission that went into this car? 🚗 please?
I see youse did not actually show what your disconnected, to drop the subframe/engine/.trans. You missed a valuable teaching moment. Something way more valuable than the "Coffee Cup" shot, and all the "Chit Chat" scenes. ( 1989 IROC Z Convertible 305 TPI/A4 owner) This will be a VERY VALUABLE video the the "Third-Gen F-Body Community, if youse show more wrenching,
Keep in mind that is not an instructional series, but more of guidebook to show what's possible.
What do you guys do with the old parts that you take off the car. Would you be willing to part with the fuel injectors off the TPI unit
Still have everything - we're going hang on to everything rebuild something out of it!
Why only ten minutes?
We have four more episodes to go!
Know where there is a NOS edelbrock tpi setup.
Hmmm... wondering if that's were original rod knock came from 😂
Build mine next?
Can I have the tuned port engine!? Always wanted to put one in a K10
We're going to tear it apart and reuse it for another project down the line.
I may have a 87 350 engine and transmission in my iroc with only 28k miles for sale if I do a engine and transmission swap
great to see Musto back in action what drives me crazy is the low views on youtube .. this guy has a huge following ... the youtube algorithm sucks ....
Really appreciate that Sir, thank you!
With not having to deal with auto transmission and using that standard trans IMO the motor is kinda on the wimpy side.. Good motor if it had the stockish 700r4 with converter but running that 5 speed 425-450 hp would of been very streetable and trackable car!
350-400 hp is about the perfect amount of power for the auto-x and road course for a casual use car. You can utilize 100% of it without getting out of hand, and the manual let's you play and have more fun.
mikes back baby! ha. wow. shit is changing. get rid of the chops bro! your chick might not want to hang with santa. lol. and the car is wild. i towed 2 boats to long beach l.i. from vegas.
This is nothing, you should've seen me with a full beard, I looked like one mean ass SANTA! 🤣
amazing to see an f body that hasn't been extensively modified buy successive generations of high school students.
We thought the same thing!
Love the channel but the high-pitch to low-toned voices this guy makes and the hyper focused eyes throws me off. Mike, If you’re reading this, work on your confidence and don’t compare yourself to the other automotive channels you may look up to. Keep going, dude!
I’m in mass I’m coming up maybe you can rehab my iroc. 🙄
All it takes is time and money!
Not what i was expecting.
mustangs last 200,000 and my fav car camaro only get 150,000. Aluminum trans is the worst part. And the heater core that is inside the glove box..
I can stand behind the 5.0 Mustang they were damn well built platforms.....But those Irocs were friggin JUNK
Fox bodies could definitely take a beating, no question - hmm. Maybe we'll do one of those next.
If you were going to go through all that you should have put in a tubular k member
Absolutely no reason to incur the extra expense when the stock cradle works just fine.
Then why go tubular control arms on the front?..
Bummed they’re going carbureted, should have stayed fuel injected.
It will be fuel injected. The Edelbrock small black runs their PRO-FLOW EFI system
Can I have it?
I think we'll hang on to it for awhile... 😁
@@hemmingsmotornews Don't blame you. Thanks for putting these together and can't wait until the next episode!
This episode is missing a lot of content.
Ok I get it, you gotta pay the bills,but this whole episode felt like a giant commercial with little to no car building, if episode #3 is more of the same I'm unsubscribing