Härkönen is a Finnish family name: härkä means bull. Atreides is a Greek name. In Ancient Greece, they fought bulls and minotaurs. So the Atreides family are bull fighters / enemy of the Harkonen
Yes. The Atreides are descendants of Agamemnon (King of Mycenae) and Meneleus (King of Sparta) from The Iliad. They were brothers and known as the sons of Atreus or Atreides (plural).
So when pol (paul? Idk) and Leto are having the conversation about expectations for house Atreides and Pol says "grandfather spent his years fighting bulls" was that a nod to the houses being in contention with each other for a long time?
@@TheKiza02 That too, but the grandfather actually fought giant bulls for sport, and was actually killed by one in the end. Could be seen as another metaphor for Leto's eventual fate.
There are actually two reasons why the Emperor wanted to take down the Atreides. First is that they were becoming too popular, but the second reason is that they had trained a fighting force that was nearly as good as the Sardauker. Bankrupting the Harkonnens at the same time was a bonus (the Emperor made the Harkonnens pay for the entire invasion, which cost about 60 years of profits from Arrakis). This latter point is the reason why the Baron told Rabban to squeeze Arrakis for every drop of profit.
@@ASageCalledQ They don't mention that detail in the film, but the Baron dose make a big point to Rabban about how much the invasion cost as the reason he has to get spice production back up to full power as fast as possible.
@@Flufferz626 He only has daughters was also because Bene Gesserit influence. The only problem with that is his daughters are too young to match with Duke Leto. Because if it were possible, he would gladly take on Leto as son in law and future ruler. And he has Reverend Mother who probably whispered in his ear to prevent such union for their own breeding program.
@@araisikewai This this. Although the perspective came from Irulan (so it might be biased), the Emperor wished Leto was younger and not attached to Jessica who has also borne him an heir. He could secure his lineage and influence in the Lansraad at the same time. But Gesserit whispers and the need to deal with the Harkonnens made him use the two houses against each other.
The whole “planting superstitions” thing that the Bene Gesserit did on arrakis wasn’t for Paul specifically. They do it on many other planets as well with the locals, and it’s called the Missionaria Protectiva, it’s mainly to shape “primitive” populations to give any future Bene Gesserit agents special religious treatment to make any potential missions there easier. Same deal for the messiah prophesy, it’s not for Paul specifically, it’s for the potential future Kwisatz Haderach that the BG have been trying to breed for generations.
Especially since Jessica was suppose to have a daughter to be paired with a Harkonnen son to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, so Paul is a generation early.
Its one of the concepts examimed in Dune: Power. Political power, military power, fighting power, mental power (of all different kinds), power of faith, power of prophecy.
The MP do their work primarily to provide a mythological framework that BG’s in need can use in times of need, but the messiah myths are specific to potential QH’s. Lisan al gaib is a messiah myth used exclusively on particularly desperate populations.
It allows for nearly any Sisterhood Sister to wield the mythology for use should it be needed, and also allow for later shaping and changing in their desired direction.
It’s so fun to watch you two catch every little detail perfectly. Coming from a huge fan of he book I was terrified this movie would be impossible to follow without it. Videos like this proving me wrong make me so happy
Not only being accepted, but it has the even deeper meaning, concerning life and death, in the desert. This story, or better yet saga, is super dense, filled with unbelievable amounts of both; "upfront," and to the, "side," philosophy/personal creed. The books are great. The 80s adaptation, is technically, classic Scifi. And the mini series, was quite entertaining too. Wish I could buy a copy of it, but alas, I believe it's lost to time. Hopefully, the Hollywood strike, doesn't delay part 2, too long. Loved the reaction though. Worth my sub😎
The vision scene with Jamis talking to Paul was a *possible future* that Paul saw but never happened (just like how Paul saw possible futures where he died.) It was probably an alternate future where Paul's mother was not with him when he encountered the Fremen. Therefore, Jamis never fought Paul in a duel and he ended up becoming Paul's friend and teaching him the ways of the desert.
@@Gunnar001 yeah, I'm just not so sure about all the theories, discussing how Paul's visions are simply, "alternative," outcomes, or paths. I say this, because of the ultimate path, "one could say the, "Golden path," this saga heads down. The book is so, "inner monologue," heavy, that adapting it to film becomes challenging, I imagine. There were so many things, that the 2021 film didn't explain at all. Things that the 80s film handled with an extreme amount of personal and non personal narration. Which is often seen as a negative, in critiques. We really just need to wait and see how the director completes the story in part 2.
Some things to note. First, there is nothing like "the force" for Paul and his mother. They knew Leto was dead because his ring was inside the kit that Yueh left them. There's no reason Yueh would have this ring otherwise. Bene Gesserit have insane awareness. Paul and his mother can read a room, read peoples intentions, know when people lie, etc. They are incredibly perceptive. It's part of their training. That's why Paul noticed the hunter seeker in his room and Jessica knew the housekeeper had a blade. Pauls visions don't always come true. He said that in the beginning. What he is seeing is calculated futures. When he's in the tent his mind races through hundreds of outcomes in a second. The spice triggers it. He sees his own death a lot. One thing is certain, staying on the planet is not good. If he joins the fremen one outcome is that he will start a holy war and they will wipe out anything in their path across the universe. That's why he freaks out in the tent. That's also why he sees himself fighting with them, and leading them to Caladan. It's not something he wants, and he tries to make choices that will avoid it, but he doesn't know exactly which choices those are.
If I remember correctly, the thing that freaks him out the most is the fact that he can’t see an outcome that doesn’t result in the Fremen essentially wiping out the galaxy in his name, regardless of if he lives or dies
@@zvimur Yes, and in the book he experiences both. That's what the spice did for Mentats and the spacing guild. Turns them into computers. He's processing not just numbers though. He's seeing the outcome of all his actions.
The fact that you guys picked up on like 95% of the story beats shows that 1. you guy's are awesome, and 2. The story and movie are awesome as long as you, like, pay attention. lol. Great reaction!
@@TC-by3il Amazing! The sound was the best part honestly. So much detail that we didn't hear on the first watch because we were using headphones. The only thing I liked better about watching it at home was the subtitles. It was much easier to follow the story and new terms when reading the subtitles. Some people who I spoke to were confused by the story because of the lack of subs.
Lady Jessica was told by her Bene Gesserit sisterhood to only have girls. Lady Jessica is Leto's concubine. Leto is unmarried because it allows him to keep the door open to political marriage later. However Leto and Jessica end up truly loving each other and as a result, Jessica "betrays" her Bene Gesserit sisterhood by giving Leto a son. Even though she is his concubine, Jessica holds a powerful position in house Atreides.
SPOILER FOR NON BOOK READERS Super surprised in the tent scene they didn't reveal like in the books that Paul realized whose daughter Jessica really was. A Vader father twist.
@@diesenutss Yeah i was pretty surprised about the fbombs (but i start to think it was just in the italian translation lol) and the fact they mention raping Jessica when they kidnapped her in a pg13, i'm used to very light pg13 movies i guess ahaha
If you’re confused by the vision of Jamis living, rather than dying in the duel. It’s because Paul sees different possible futures in his visions. Foretelling the future is complicated, his prescience shows him dissimilar paths-And Paul is never sure which one will be the real one. Because things change.
I know you're going to get a lot of "this is what this means" from this video from us longtime fans. The specific reason that Paul's potential was "wasted on a male" is that the Bene Geserit wanted Leto and Jessica's child to be a girl so they could marry her to a Harkonnen boy and *their* child would be the Kwisatz Haderach. But Jessica's love for Leto caused her to give him a son (Bene Gesserit can control the gender of the child) because he wanted a son so badly. So Paul is essentially "one generation early", so his powers at seeing through time are imperfect as well. Edit: but man you guys picked up on a *lot*, love your reactions
Oh wow that's crazy! I'm sure there is a lot of details that didn't get fully explored in the movie because of time restraints. I could've used 2 more hours of this movie lol.
@@MACReact Absolutely. They did a fantastic job and you guys picked up everything important, there's just a crazy amount of details and lore even in just the first book.
This and other things I hope get fleshed out in Part 2. Part 1 did a great job of introducing people to the universe like an appetizer but concepts like the Bene Geserit, why there isn't AI or Robots, how does space travel actually work, etc I feel need a better explanation.
There is another reason why Paul came a generation early I thought would be revealed during his breakdown in the tent with Jessica in the tent. But I guess it will be revealed later in part 2.
@@MACReact also, Paul sees POSSIBLE futures, and depending on what he does it can change. He saw Jamis as a potential friend, but in reality he basically killed the old Paul Atreides by killing Jamis, so he could become the Mahdi, their Messiah. By killing him he proved he was strong enough to become a Fremen. Jessica plays a bigger part than you can imagine in the next part. as well as Paul's sister Alia. So does Chani, but I expect Denis will expand her role from the book, much of what she did was not deeply explored in the book. Part 2 only has a third of the book left, this was really 2/3 of the book, so I fully expect the kind of action you thought this lacked will be there in spades...You were fun to watch, you actually enjoyed a movie that made you think and speculate. Watch it again and the few things you missed, and you did miss a few clues, will be easier to see now that you know what to expect.
Everyone is going to mention it...but Dune came before Star Wars, and is considered the greatest scifi novel of all time. Dune inspired much of what George Lucas went on to create.
Yes, but there were a lot of influences behind Star Wars, not just Dune. Flash Gordon, Valerian, Joseph Campbell, and The Hidden Fortress also heavily inspired Lucas.
The spice melange only exist on Arrakis The Navigators use to spice to navigate The Bene Geseite Sisterhood uses the spice to gain sight Beyond sight The nobility uses the spice to extend their lives The space is highly addictive and withdrawal is always fatal Whoever controls the spice controls the universe
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Grandpa, the old duke, was killed by a bull in a bull fight. The bull head over the mental was the one that killed the duke. ( Great detail but isn’t a spoiler)
I like that Villeneuve held back a little and didn't include characters like Feyd Rautha and the Padishah Emperor cause he wanted to introduce them in part 2. Chani will also be expanded. Adding to the already stellar cast will create some more buzz. Duke Leto and House Atreides growing popularity and military prowess threatens the Emperor so he plots House vs House. Paul's visions (prescience) don't show just one possible future but several possibilities. This is a main point of the book, that seeing the future isn't linear and is not set at one particular point in time. Remarkable that a book written in 1965 inspired so many like Star Wars. etc.
You guys should reaaalllly see this in theaters on an IMAX screen. The director said he made the movie as a love letter to the big screen, and personally I feel like people are missing out on a once in a lifetime experience by not seeing in theaters
The visions are called prescience in the book, but they mean seeing all the possible futures ahead. That is the same power the navigators of Spacing Guild get from the spice, which lets them navigate through space safely. They see the possible paths and chart the safest one. It is like how Han Solo described what the computers on the Millenium Falcon does in A New Hope to Luke. For Paul, he's able to see all the possible futures but at first he's not able to know which one will come true. He dreams of his death and a possible Jihad carried out by the Fremen in his name, which is what he sees during that scene with the fighting and them back on Caladan. In that future, the Fremen kill billions of people across the known universe in Paul's name and he loses control to stop it.
Not only does he lose control to stop it, and the end of the book he doesn't even seem to care to stop it: his overwhelming powers somehow seem to make him less "human". Something that people get wrong about Dune is abut Paul being a hero. He's not. He's more of an anti-hero: just as a hero starts his journey as an ignorant (not necessarily in a bad sense) if not downright arrogant person and is shaped into a better person by the adversities they face, Paul starts as a sympathetic kid who is transformed into a tyrannical figure who is impossible to stop because of his powers. Dune's message, in the words of Frank Herbert himself, is that you should be very afraid of heroes. Not just because of them, but also of the people that will inevitably follow them.
I think in his visions, when Chani's hands are bloody and she's holding a knife, it's symbolism for maybe the old, somewhat naive, paul dying, and the beginning of this new paul.
In regards to the "Visions" Paul sees ALL Multiple possible futures. In this regard in one Future Jamis became his friend and mentor but the path he chose resulted in Jamis dying by his hand. And he was still "taught the ways of the Desert" in this
In that sense, I suppose Jamis is representative of the galaxy at large and Paul's relationship to the Fremen. In the first case in particular, because Jamis is Paul's way out (a quick but honourable death) of being responsible for the holy war and genocide he has foreseen. In the moment of killing Jamis, Paul is deciding that his own goals are more important than avoiding that future.
One thing I noted, is that the thing that made Jamis do the trial by death is that Jessica beat their leader in combat. And in the visions, his mom isn't with him, so she probably died during the invasion, which means that when Paul joined the Fremen his mom wasnt there to be the trigger for Jamis' death.
You guys were really perceptive given that you entered this franchise with no prior lore knowledge. I'm sure many comments already gave you what I'm about to write, but just a few things: 1. I guess an emperor can't be directly connected to the genocide of a popular noble house (Atreides) that he feels increasingly threatened by, so he sets them up to be ambushed by that house's ancestral enemy (Harkonnen). To make sure there's no fuck ups (we see that Harkonnen soldiers are plentiful but kind of cowardly too), he loans them a few battalions of his elite Saurdauker troops (they are neither good nor bad; just the emperor's obedient attack dogs). But at the end of the day he can't be connected to any of this. Luckily for him "there are no satellites over Arrakis." 2. Spice is like 20th century middle eastern oil. Without it there's no space travel - hence, no interstellar commerce/profits. 3. Because spice is so valuable the harvesters risk life and death up to the last minute before worms arrive, and why Harkonnens would never bomb a spice refinery (they were carpet bombing the airfield so Atreides troops couldn't fight air power with air power/or airlift weapons/artillery/troops to safe locations). 4. Not spoilers but in this world there is technology but no A.I. That's because a malevolent A.I many years ago tried to conquer organic life forms and the organics fought back and won, making sure no A.I ever rises up again. So all technology must be manually operated. That makes spice precious because it enhances cognitive abilities and allows navigators of the space guild to route space travel making sure ships don't fly into stars and stuff.
@@The_Ajna actually, that is exactly what it was, a ban against artificial intelligence due to them enslaving humanity. Thinking machines were forbidden after the Butlerian Jihad, which is a part of a prequel trilogy written by Frank Herbert's son who carried on his father's work. Human computers were developed called Mentat, which is what Thufir Hawat is, as well as Piter DeVries, played by David Dalstmachian in this movie.
Dune has never been a story about action, it's a more philosophical and political story; in the book a lot of the action like the siege of Arrakeen shown in the movie was never really seen, only alluded to
"She doesn't like that union!" I'm impressed you picked that up: that's definitely part of the story's continuation and Jessica's ambiguous facial expression at the very end is definitely intentional on the director's part. You can only scratch the surface of any Villeneuve film with a single viewing. I've seen it three times in big-screen cinemas and am only now figuring things out (and I know the book pretty well...) Here's a theory I've read and that seems to check out: if you re-watch it, check the colour-tinting of Paul's various visions. Those in yellow tint are potential futures, those that Paul describes as being "crystal clear" appear likely or certain to happen.
First of all, I'm glad you guys liked the movie... but for the fucking love of GOD!! The fact that you watched this movie on a small ass computer screen and with split headphones?? It absolutely kills me that people actually miss the opportunity to experience a once in a lifetime cinema experience like Dune. This movie was a MUST see in IMAX.
About spice only existing on Arrakis, this is addressed a couple times over the books. Long story short, other planets tried to make spice on their world or synthetically but it never worked so Arrakis is it.
The worms that are overall known to have a relation with the spice (most people have no idea what specifically, just that there is a relation) had been tried to be transplanted to other worlds, but it always ended in their deaths. Also the fact the sandworms can literally die from touching water is also why they would have a hard time living on other worlds.
The way you react to everything from the music, costumes, worlds and powers seems to me that the director succeeded in selling this movie to a general audience. There are some inaccuracies to the books, but not criminal inaccuracies like the 80s book.
I assume someone else has mentioned it…but House Harkonnen spent the vast amount of their massive fortune to pay to transport their forces and the Imperial units to Arrakis…so with the attack on Duke Leto, the Emperor is accomplishing two things at once…the Baron drained his gigantic fortune [from Spice] and destroyed Duke Leto’s very powerful military [and political power within their version of the Imperial Senate]…the Atreides family was the most popular among all the Noble houses…so it’s popularity and leadership was even more dangerous to the Emperor than the Baron’s Massive wealth from Spice. The strategy pitted two great houses against each other to weaken or destroy them both.
Most people who have watched the movie w/o reading the book get a lot wrong (peoples motives, whos who, etc.) You guys have got a lot of stuff right just from watching the movie, very perceptive. I would recomend reading the book for part 2, watching Dune and already knowing whats going on adds a whole new level of enjoyment.
55:27 I think during the fight we find out that Paul's visions are kind of symbolic. he sees that man as someone who helps him learn about the Fremen... and he DOES, it's because of him that he's allowed in, and when he sees himself being killed the prophesy voice says "Paul must die" or something and I think that means that the old him has to die there and a new version of him is born.
He also teaches him the fundamental way of the desert, you have to be willing to kill, because everything here will not hesitate to kill you, that's just the way it is in that kind of environment.
He’s seeing different futures. The vision voices said something like _“Paul Atreides has to die for the Kwisatz Haderach to rise.”_ Then it says, _“When you kill someone, you kill yourself.”_ So, Paul had to kill for the first time (therefore, killing himself) in order to be able to do what has to be done to follow the right path and become the *one.* Death of innocence kind of thing I believe.
36:35 The Bull imagery is there because Duke Leto's father, Paulus was killed by the same bull hanging. Deeper lore shows it was Leto's mother who orchestrated that bull be drugged to kill him, out of anger and her own agenda. It also serves as a reminder for Leto to never let his guard down.
Really impressed at how easily y'all were able to follow and pick up on so much detail considering your limited knowledge of Dune!! As a long time fan of the book and a huge Villeneuve fan, this movie was everything I wanted it to be! Couldn't have asked for better! SOOOOOO glad y'all enjoyed it..... BRING ON PART TWO 🤙🏻
All modern Sci Fi/Fantasy springs from the Lord of the Rings/Dune/Foundation stories. These were the big stories before the 1970s. There were many great short stories that have made themselves into modern fiction but these were the big 3 for what we are seeing most in the movies and TV. Not counting comics. There is so much lore with Dune that you do not get from the movies and the TV series. Some of the questions you are asking have huge story implications in the background. Dune is suppose to be in our future almost 20,000 years from now. The books span over 5,000 years starting with Dune. So much story so little typing space to explain but ask away and I am sure the TH-cam community on your page can answer.
We love learning new lore so this movie was like going to an all you can eat buffet of it lol. As long as the movie was, I never really felt its runtime because there was so much to catch. We're so excited for part 2 now.
The timeline part always confuses me. If I recall correctly (I may have this totally wrong. It's been some time since I read every book). Frank says it's the year 10,191. I think in the prequels they say that dating system started when the Empire was founded and doesn't cover all the years between now to then. It could be 100,000 years before the start of the empire because I remember at least that Arrakis was found after the empire existed and then they found spice and could fold space. Prior they had to travel and put humans on planets the slow way. I'm not sure anymore if there was a definitive answer to exactly how time is recorded in the empire if it's actually 10,191 or that's just the age of the empire. I do remember that it was so long no one even remember Earth.
What a passionate and thoughtful review. You guys were very interesting and funny to watch. Your understanding about the world presented, the different issues, the characters' psychology was incredible. You get almost everything right or ask the right questions about things that are still unclear to you. Your wonder and enthusiasm for the world and the visual was cool. It's great to see that if people are focused and interested enough, they can really understand the movie. Looking forward to seeing you discover Part 2 in two long years! You won a subscriber x) Edit: I would just clarify one thing about Jessica. She had her son out of love for the Duke and not in order to fulfill the prophecy. By the way, the Bene Gesserits are unhappy that Paul is a potential candidate for the being they are trying to create as he comes too early and has not been groomed by them while learning their powers from his mother. This is the reason why no one told him who he was before the story began. His mother hoped he wasn't The One and tried to hide his powers and his Bene Gesserit education from her order. But when one of the Order's sisters came to Caladan for the handover, she realized the boy had powers, notified her superiors, and then the Reverend Mother came to test (and if he fails kill) Paul.
Thank you very much! We were worried we would get a lot of things wrong, so seeing all the comments on how we got almost everything right was very relieving! We also love learning new lore and this movie was just BURSTING with it, just a lot of fun to watch. We're glad you enjoyed!
The 1984 David Lynch movie is maligned because the last hour is a total trainwreck and 80's sci-fi is pretty goofy and some of the fx are no bueno but there are many choices that are clearly better than 2021 just as there are many choices in 2021 that are clearly superior to 1984. They are both remarkable films that have very similar scripts but wildly different aesthetics. It is well worth a watch. The mini-series is respectable and book accurate but kind of dull, imo.
Saw the movie in theaters the day after it came out and began reading the book the day after. I just finished part 1 of the book and I’m completely hooked. I’d recommend reading it with the audiobook.
This movie, and your reaction, was amazing. Ill just make a few lore comments (no spoilers for the next movie) A long time ago there was this huge war, a Humans vs A.I. war, and they have a complete ban on A.I. - so that guy from the beginning whose eyes went white, he's a 'Mentat', his brain is trained as a supercomputer, with drugs as well. Harkonnen had one too. They're frome one order of several orders of people who have greatly increased their consciousnesses, a few others are the all female 'Bene Gesserit', and the Suk (sook) school of medicine. That's why Yueh was able to get Paul's vitals by just looking at him and feeling him. I love how each does slightly different things, super cool. Another thing I LOVE is Denis Villneuve's minimalist style. All the ships, the locations, cities, wardrobe, design...etc, they're all very 'simplistic' but elegant and functional if you think about it. Very appropriate for that story world. This way it doesn't detract from the story, the emotions...etc., and it gives it this sense of grand 'galactic, futuristic realism' that you won't find in most sci-fi. It would've been a farrrr different movie if George Lucas directed that script lol. I hope they make the second one!
I’d like to retort. The “AI war” story is not frank Herbert’s original intention. In the original book the butlerian jihad is more of a philosophical and religious movement against computers and “thinking machines”as a whole. Not really violent in nature
@@MACReact I HIGHLY recommend you watch this interview Denis Villeneuve did with Variety breaking down the Gom Jabbar scene, fantastic!! He thinks so deeply about the smallest details! Here it is: th-cam.com/video/GoAA0sYkLI0/w-d-xo.html
I'm so glad newbies to the story were able to follow along. I've read the books, saw the movie opening day in theaters, I loved it. My worry was, will people who don't know the story be able to follow along? Glad to see it did, Dune is an epic story, this is 1/2 of the first book out of 4 (the real ones). This can be an epic cinematic universe if it gets the support
I'm about to finish the 3rd one, but to my knowledge there are 6 main books, plus a bunch of others written by Herbert's son and some other dudes. Why do you say 4? Are they not canon or not worth it?
Dr. kynes is not Fremen.She was appointed by the emperor but ultimately sided with the fremen in order to see a arakis become a paradise. As others have said, you two picked up on a lot! Bravo to you both and the movie for doing a great job.
"Dr. kynes is not Fremen.She was appointed by the emperor but ultimately sided with the fremen in order to see a arakis become a paradise." There is a slight catch - this is true of Dr. Pardot Kynes, father of Liet Kynes, also an Imperial planetologist and ecologist. Dr. Liet Kynes is a Fremen - his mother is Stilgar's sister Frieth. Sure, the character is altered somewhat in the film, but that doesn't affect the origin.
Paul can see different paths of the future. The vision is just one of those paths. The Jamis vision is prime example. In a different future, Jamis is alive and is a guide to Paul.
You totally misundertsood the tent scene. They DID NOT felt Leto's death. They knew he's dead, because of the ring. Edit: Also, in the desert it's forbidden to use shields, because the sandworms senses it and it's make them agressive too.
I feel like you guys would really enjoy the book. It seems you were picking up what the story was putting down, and even predicting stuff. If you like th world building so far, it's worth a read.
One thing I wish the movie covered was that Jessica had Paul out of love for the duke, against the order of the Bene Gesserit who commanded her to have Girls. Not that it changes the story.
One of the things I love most about this version of DUNE is how it ties deeply back into Earth history even though it's set in humanity's far future. The Emperor's powerful ambassadorial ship and the Moorish bearing of the Imperial Herald just screams of the Spanish Empire arriving at a colony in a spaceship instead of a galleon of old. And there was a biblical feeling of the religious fervor of the Fremen in adulation and prayer. Not saying that she's Jesus, but Chani walking in the desert in robe and sandals reminds me of just that. DUNE is otherworldly but at the same time firmly rooted in Earth history as well.
The adaptation was astounding, the cinematography, the score, and also the elegant way they weaved in a lot of exposition organically, keeping voice-overs and the like to a minimum. One bit of lore they could have tried to hint to was the reason for the absence of computers in this technologically advanced universe. It's a cool reason, and it helps understand the importance of spice and prescience in a world without the computing powers of ai. Maybe they'll address it in part 2
You're the only reactors I've seen that noticed the look Jessica got on her face at the end. I don't know much about the book so I'm not entirely sure what that means but I think it means something.
Denis and Rebecca did an amazing job with Jessica and her reactions to things. To me that face is the reality of his journey, and ultimately her own. This is all essentially unknown to her, what he may do as truly the chosen one. She has nothing ahead of this moment to back her up basically. She’s entering unknown territory, literally and figuratively
It's funny how you guys kept making comparisons to Star Wars. George Lucas admitted he was heavily influenced by Dune. He basically ripped off Frank Herbert's book...lol
The guy who was doing the calculations in his head was a Mentat. They were a class of people created to use their minds like supercomputers after artificial intelligence was abandoned after a brutal war. The Bene Gesserit's are an order who are trying to create a superhuman with advanced psychic powers. Bene Gesserit women can choose the sex of their children, because they have psychic powers, so Jessica chose to give Leto a son instead of only daughters because she loved him. The personal force fields will deflect any projectile weapon and if someone shoots someone wearing a force field with a laser or other energy weapon, it would cause a chain reaction that would basically cause a mini nuclear explosion. This is why they had to go old school and learn to fight with knives and hand to hand. The spice enhances psychic powers allowing the navigators to pilot the ships, because as I said before, artificial intelligence and other supercomputers were abandoned years ago, so the navigators and mentats are living computers. The Harkonnen's elite Sardaukar troops are trained from a very young age and their training is so brutal only 25% of the recruits survive the training and become Sardaukar. All the fear and mercy is beaten out of them in their training, which is why they're so brutal and merciless.
One correction: The Sardaukar serve the emperor at his pleasure, not the Harkonnens. If they were ordered by the emperor to ally with Atreides and attack planet Giedi Prime, they would do that just as willingly. You're right though about just how better trained they are compared to regular Harknonnen infantry. Harkonnens backed off immediately after witnessing Duncan take out a few of their own. Saurdauker would fight to the death and it actually bothered me how many Duncan was able to kill before he met his end.
I was so nervous about how muggles were going to react to this movie. (Dune was part of my childhood; I grew up with it). Seeing your reaction (how into the story you got, and how well you were able to follow it, etc) is so good for my heart 😁 I’m so happy you enjoyed it!! Thanks for sharing your experience💙
I like Villenueve's interpretation of Paul's visions. Paul sees many possible futures, and he keeps changing the future by taking different actions. He shouldn't be able to do this, so it's him slowly coming into the power of the Kwitsatz Hadderach that the Bene Gesserit have been attempting to breed for thousands of years. The Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers (not the normal ones) have a power similar to this, but not nearly as potent as Paul. Also, the leaders of the Spacing Guild (males who do all of the space navigation in the Dune universe) have this power up to a certain point. They know something happens with Paul, but not what.
@@MACReact We all are. It's not a simple story. Lots of layers, and strange words. Plans within plans within plans. But that just shows what a great job Denis Villeneuve did in telling an untellable story without dumbing it down. Bravo!
This has so far been my favorite reaction. I've been watching lots of these as I have seen it in heavily booked theaters and want to get second viewings while enjoying peoples opinions, both for existing fans and newcomers, until I can finally watch it as a stream from home (in canada it aint out yet for online viewing and I can't risk pirated copies on a computer I rely on for work). I love how you guys started to very accurately summarize the Emperor's plan without the movie bluntly throwing it at you ( in the 1984 version, it's essentially the opening scene).
Awesome reaction. I know it’s tough for a lot of people to get over the fact that this is part one. But I am so happy they are splitting it up. The story is massive, this universe is massiveee
Y'all are genuinely great comentators, as well as really preceptive people. Some reactors were confused about certain story beats but y'all caught up on most of them! Subscribed!
In fact, Jessica only had Paul because Duke Leto wanted a boy to be the next Duque of House Atreides, so she disobeyed the Bene Gesserit and chose to breed a boy (yes, benne Gesserit have the power to decide the sex of their babies) just because she loved Leto with all her heart and she gave him what he wanted. She didn't have Paul because she wanted to try and create the Kwisatz Haderack.
you are right in saying that game of thrones and star wars takes from this, but this book came out about 10 years after lord of the rings, lord of the rings and dune are the ogs of fantasy and sci-fi, and ever sense people are just trying to copy them
You very incredibly perceptive and got most things right - especially for a first time watching - but you kind of missed something when you talked about Dune at 1:03:40. The Emperor made it look like it was an attack *only* by House Harkonnen on the Atreides - his Sardaukar legions were only helping out in secret and there were not supposed to be any witnesses that would testify to the opposite. Which is also why the Emperor "lured" the Atreides to Arrakis in the first place: To make them vulnerable on an isolated planet *and* to give the Harkonnens a good, presentable reason to attack the Atreides - being that they "took" "their" Dune.
and it should be said, that the Emperor was not only wary of the Atreides popularity, but also didn't like that the Harkonnen were getting so insanely rich. All the Great Houses get various degrees of share of the income of the spice, through the C.H.O.A.M., the Emperor gets the biggest share. But the Harkonnen, obviously, made sure that some of the spice went directly to their own secret stash. For 60 years.
Nice reaction and review video. For anyone who is new to Dune…and has now watched Part 1 - I would highly recommend now listening to the audiobook. Stop when you get to the end point of this movie and you won’t spoil the next movie for yourself…you will learn a lot of things not explored here…but which will better inform you about the situation…they won’t ruin anything…this part one made some minor changes…but was pretty faithful to the book…the movie has cut some material and things…but I think you will be very pleasantly surprised.
Very good reaction! Hans Zimmer won an oscar for the original score. He should've gotten one for Interstellar. We'd love to see you react to that. Now you've got plenty of time to read the books while waiting for part 2. Stay away from Lynchs version. It'll just leave a bad taste in your brain. IMO. You guys are very enjoyable. 👍👍
The Bene Gesserit have been involved in a centuries-long breeding program to produce a messiah-like figure. Jessica was supposed to give Leto a daughter that the Order was planning to marry off to Baron Harkonnen's nephew Feyd Ruatha (who we haven't met yet). And Jessica is not Leto's wife, but his concubine. In the Empire, you marry for political advantage, not for love.
Paul's visions are not just of THE future. He sees many (eventually all) possible futures. In many possible futures Jamis was a great friend and teacher to Paul. In the book, when the fremen honor Jamis and says the good he has done, Paul says Jamis taught him what it was to take a life.
Bene Gesserit trained women can control their biology with their mental abilities to give only daughters to their husbands/concubines.Jessica let herself go to have a son because she loved Leto and also tried to subdue the Bene Gesserit agenda to her own interests and that of the Atreides. She has another motivation that remains secret for now (hopefully the second part will reveal it). The story takes place about 26 000 years from now. Bene Gesserit women have a lot of education and training. They can read non verbal behaviour and guess the state of mind of the people they look at, they can't really read mind, unless they are Reverand Mothers who can know if you are telling the truth or not at least. Reverand Mothers are thus used by noble families as Truth Sayers and advisors. Bene Gesserit uses those position to gain intel and influence on the Noble families. The 1984 movie has a tremendously ludicrous art direction in many aspects but the special effects were very bad, mostly as far as ships are concerned, the ornithopters just look like tin cans zooming past the camera. Star Wars IV did better with less budget 7 years prior ! Liet Kynes wasn't Fremen, she (he in the book) was the Arbiter of the Change and Imperial Planetologist in charge of assessing the planet ability to welcome colonists on a large scale. With time and habit she befriended the Fremen and intergrated into their society. As an Imperial Planetologist, she must remain neutral in political affairs. The Harkonnens left damaged and overused equipment (if not down right sabotaged) to make the Atreides suffer in their endeavours... The Sardaukars warriors are fanatics and devoted to the serve the Emperor. Leto didn't marry Jessica because he wanted to keep the place open for a political alliance if necessary. Yueh perfectly knew that the Baron wouldn't respect his end of the bargain so he planned his vengeance preping Leto into becoming the one who would kill the Baron, it sadly failed. However, he also saved Jessica and Paul by ordering one of his thopters to be ready with Fremkits and the Duke's ring, and sent the Harkonnens piloting it to their deaths thx to Jessica's powers. The Baron survived thanks to his shield. Armor will be better than an EM shield on Arrakis as Liet Kynes said, EM shields emit vibrations that attract worms and make them angrier. The 1984 Harkonnens were even MORE disgusting imo, completely over the top disgusting.
I worked on the VFX for this film as well as for Part 2 - I enjoyed listening to movie reactions from time to time and have watched a lot of them from Dune throughout the past few years. This is by far my favorite reaction because you have such a good discussion and hit so many of the important points. Well done, thanks for sharing!
Härkönen is a Finnish family name: härkä means bull. Atreides is a Greek name. In Ancient Greece, they fought bulls and minotaurs. So the Atreides family are bull fighters / enemy of the Harkonen
Yes. The Atreides are descendants of Agamemnon (King of Mycenae) and Meneleus (King of Sparta) from The Iliad. They were brothers and known as the sons of Atreus or Atreides (plural).
So when pol (paul? Idk) and Leto are having the conversation about expectations for house Atreides and Pol says "grandfather spent his years fighting bulls" was that a nod to the houses being in contention with each other for a long time?
@@TheKiza02 yeah I caught that too
Whoa
@@TheKiza02 That too, but the grandfather actually fought giant bulls for sport, and was actually killed by one in the end. Could be seen as another metaphor for Leto's eventual fate.
There are actually two reasons why the Emperor wanted to take down the Atreides. First is that they were becoming too popular, but the second reason is that they had trained a fighting force that was nearly as good as the Sardauker. Bankrupting the Harkonnens at the same time was a bonus (the Emperor made the Harkonnens pay for the entire invasion, which cost about 60 years of profits from Arrakis). This latter point is the reason why the Baron told Rabban to squeeze Arrakis for every drop of profit.
He also has only daughters.
Did they say in the movie that the Harkonnens had to pay for everything?
@@ASageCalledQ They don't mention that detail in the film, but the Baron dose make a big point to Rabban about how much the invasion cost as the reason he has to get spice production back up to full power as fast as possible.
@@Flufferz626 He only has daughters was also because Bene Gesserit influence. The only problem with that is his daughters are too young to match with Duke Leto. Because if it were possible, he would gladly take on Leto as son in law and future ruler. And he has Reverend Mother who probably whispered in his ear to prevent such union for their own breeding program.
@@araisikewai This this. Although the perspective came from Irulan (so it might be biased), the Emperor wished Leto was younger and not attached to Jessica who has also borne him an heir. He could secure his lineage and influence in the Lansraad at the same time. But Gesserit whispers and the need to deal with the Harkonnens made him use the two houses against each other.
The whole “planting superstitions” thing that the Bene Gesserit did on arrakis wasn’t for Paul specifically. They do it on many other planets as well with the locals, and it’s called the Missionaria Protectiva, it’s mainly to shape “primitive” populations to give any future Bene Gesserit agents special religious treatment to make any potential missions there easier. Same deal for the messiah prophesy, it’s not for Paul specifically, it’s for the potential future Kwisatz Haderach that the BG have been trying to breed for generations.
Especially since Jessica was suppose to have a daughter to be paired with a Harkonnen son to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, so Paul is a generation early.
Its one of the concepts examimed in Dune: Power. Political power, military power, fighting power, mental power (of all different kinds), power of faith, power of prophecy.
The MP do their work primarily to provide a mythological framework that BG’s in need can use in times of need, but the messiah myths are specific to potential QH’s. Lisan al gaib is a messiah myth used exclusively on particularly desperate populations.
It allows for nearly any Sisterhood Sister to wield the mythology for use should it be needed, and also allow for later shaping and changing in their desired direction.
@@DaSmerg123 also how environments shape people and cultures
Jessica was the Duke’s concubine. He kept himself available for marriage in case an opportunity for political alliance came
Exactly. And I think it was Jessica's idea for him to do that iirc.
@@lara314 Well more the Bene Gesserit's idea rather than just Jessica's
He wanted to marry her but he couldn't
In the book, Leto didn't marry Jessica to give other great houses the hope that he was available, not necessarily that he would ever do it.
(Cough) remember this!
It’s so fun to watch you two catch every little detail perfectly. Coming from a huge fan of he book I was terrified this movie would be impossible to follow without it. Videos like this proving me wrong make me so happy
Definitely two of the smartest reactors I've seen so far. Quick and observant.
@@VII0777 they even nailed tiny things like the name Atreides being vaguely Greek inspired
Yeah, that’s been the best part of watching reactions for this movie. Denis did good. ☺️
Absolutely agree. They really did a great job with their inferences and questions. Subscribed.
Yeah, I had the exact same thoughts !
Jamis technically taught Paul the way of the desert and the Fremen by being the gateway for Paul to be accepted by them.
Amen, finally someone who got that part.
Not only being accepted, but it has the even deeper meaning, concerning life and death, in the desert. This story, or better yet saga, is super dense, filled with unbelievable amounts of both; "upfront," and to the, "side," philosophy/personal creed. The books are great. The 80s adaptation, is technically, classic Scifi. And the mini series, was quite entertaining too. Wish I could buy a copy of it, but alas, I believe it's lost to time.
Hopefully, the Hollywood strike, doesn't delay part 2, too long.
Loved the reaction though. Worth my sub😎
@@sorroww0lf179 I zealously guard my boxsets of Dune & Children of Dune, even though I have gotten rid of all other DVDs. Those are precious.
The vision scene with Jamis talking to Paul was a *possible future* that Paul saw but never happened (just like how Paul saw possible futures where he died.) It was probably an alternate future where Paul's mother was not with him when he encountered the Fremen. Therefore, Jamis never fought Paul in a duel and he ended up becoming Paul's friend and teaching him the ways of the desert.
@@Gunnar001 yeah, I'm just not so sure about all the theories, discussing how Paul's visions are simply, "alternative," outcomes, or paths. I say this, because of the ultimate path, "one could say the, "Golden path," this saga heads down.
The book is so, "inner monologue," heavy, that adapting it to film becomes challenging, I imagine. There were so many things, that the 2021 film didn't explain at all. Things that the 80s film handled with an extreme amount of personal and non personal narration. Which is often seen as a negative, in critiques.
We really just need to wait and see how the director completes the story in part 2.
Some things to note. First, there is nothing like "the force" for Paul and his mother. They knew Leto was dead because his ring was inside the kit that Yueh left them. There's no reason Yueh would have this ring otherwise. Bene Gesserit have insane awareness. Paul and his mother can read a room, read peoples intentions, know when people lie, etc. They are incredibly perceptive. It's part of their training. That's why Paul noticed the hunter seeker in his room and Jessica knew the housekeeper had a blade.
Pauls visions don't always come true. He said that in the beginning. What he is seeing is calculated futures. When he's in the tent his mind races through hundreds of outcomes in a second. The spice triggers it. He sees his own death a lot. One thing is certain, staying on the planet is not good. If he joins the fremen one outcome is that he will start a holy war and they will wipe out anything in their path across the universe. That's why he freaks out in the tent. That's also why he sees himself fighting with them, and leading them to Caladan. It's not something he wants, and he tries to make choices that will avoid it, but he doesn't know exactly which choices those are.
If I remember correctly, the thing that freaks him out the most is the fact that he can’t see an outcome that doesn’t result in the Fremen essentially wiping out the galaxy in his name, regardless of if he lives or dies
@@JarinUdom Yes that sounds right.
wish that part about the visions were a little more clear in the movie. anyway thanks that was very informative.
There's a difference between calculations of possible outcomes, and literally seeing faces of people he hasn't met yet (Chani and alternative Jamis).
@@zvimur Yes, and in the book he experiences both. That's what the spice did for Mentats and the spacing guild. Turns them into computers. He's processing not just numbers though. He's seeing the outcome of all his actions.
The fact that you guys picked up on like 95% of the story beats shows that 1. you guy's are awesome, and 2. The story and movie are awesome as long as you, like, pay attention. lol. Great reaction!
Dennis Villenueve makes smart adult science fiction
Thanks! Luckily I have Madison with me to watch because she is very good at picking up things that go over my head.
@@kdizzle901 Arrival, Sicario, 2049
@@MACReact Bro Madison is super sharp, fr. As a massive fan of the book, really impressed.
I saw it in IMAX, definitely recommend rewatching in IMAX to get the full experience. The score gives goosebumps in the theater.
We are, I can't wait
@@MACReact How was it?
Yeah, the Voice needs to be experienced in the theatre.
@@TC-by3il Amazing! The sound was the best part honestly. So much detail that we didn't hear on the first watch because we were using headphones.
The only thing I liked better about watching it at home was the subtitles. It was much easier to follow the story and new terms when reading the subtitles. Some people who I spoke to were confused by the story because of the lack of subs.
Lady Jessica was told by her Bene Gesserit sisterhood to only have girls. Lady Jessica is Leto's concubine. Leto is unmarried because it allows him to keep the door open to political marriage later. However Leto and Jessica end up truly loving each other and as a result, Jessica "betrays" her Bene Gesserit sisterhood by giving Leto a son. Even though she is his concubine, Jessica holds a powerful position in house Atreides.
SPOILER FOR NON BOOK READERS
Super surprised in the tent scene they didn't reveal like in the books that Paul realized whose daughter Jessica really was. A Vader father twist.
@@Flufferz626 probably saving that for part 2
On the Baron: "He is the epitomy of creepy."
Book readers: "If only you knew how bad things really were..."
Villeneuve skip this part for obvious reasons, in contrary the landsraad of the outraged SJW‘s would spit gom jabbars all over the place!
@@mr.ripley3846 what are you on about lmao?
@@mr.ripley3846 they skipped over it cuz they're not gonna say "btw this guy r*pes little boys" in a PG-13 movie dimwit
@@diesenutss Yeah i was pretty surprised about the fbombs (but i start to think it was just in the italian translation lol) and the fact they mention raping Jessica when they kidnapped her in a pg13, i'm used to very light pg13 movies i guess ahaha
@Evan Sherer we all know that, but how is omitting child rape SJW? I don't see a connection lmao
If you’re confused by the vision of Jamis living, rather than dying in the duel. It’s because Paul sees different possible futures in his visions. Foretelling the future is complicated, his prescience shows him dissimilar paths-And Paul is never sure which one will be the real one. Because things change.
Somethings cant be changed tho, jihad. Better get a cooked water of life scene.
@@big_little_drift he could have avoided it if he left the planet but that would end up in him becoming a guild navigator
They are all real up until the point of contracdiction.
Not only that, but a part of him had to die, and when he killed somebody, he was seeing that side of himself die.
By forcing Paul's hand, Jamis DOES teach him the way of the desert, though perhaps not quite in the way Paul assumed
I know you're going to get a lot of "this is what this means" from this video from us longtime fans. The specific reason that Paul's potential was "wasted on a male" is that the Bene Geserit wanted Leto and Jessica's child to be a girl so they could marry her to a Harkonnen boy and *their* child would be the Kwisatz Haderach. But Jessica's love for Leto caused her to give him a son (Bene Gesserit can control the gender of the child) because he wanted a son so badly. So Paul is essentially "one generation early", so his powers at seeing through time are imperfect as well.
Edit: but man you guys picked up on a *lot*, love your reactions
Oh wow that's crazy! I'm sure there is a lot of details that didn't get fully explored in the movie because of time restraints. I could've used 2 more hours of this movie lol.
@@MACReact Absolutely. They did a fantastic job and you guys picked up everything important, there's just a crazy amount of details and lore even in just the first book.
This and other things I hope get fleshed out in Part 2. Part 1 did a great job of introducing people to the universe like an appetizer but concepts like the Bene Geserit, why there isn't AI or Robots, how does space travel actually work, etc I feel need a better explanation.
There is another reason why Paul came a generation early I thought would be revealed during his breakdown in the tent with Jessica in the tent. But I guess it will be revealed later in part 2.
@@MACReact also, Paul sees POSSIBLE futures, and depending on what he does it can change. He saw Jamis as a potential friend, but in reality he basically killed the old Paul Atreides by killing Jamis, so he could become the Mahdi, their Messiah. By killing him he proved he was strong enough to become a Fremen. Jessica plays a bigger part than you can imagine in the next part. as well as Paul's sister Alia. So does Chani, but I expect Denis will expand her role from the book, much of what she did was not deeply explored in the book. Part 2 only has a third of the book left, this was really 2/3 of the book, so I fully expect the kind of action you thought this lacked will be there in spades...You were fun to watch, you actually enjoyed a movie that made you think and speculate. Watch it again and the few things you missed, and you did miss a few clues, will be easier to see now that you know what to expect.
Everyone is going to mention it...but Dune came before Star Wars, and is considered the greatest scifi novel of all time. Dune inspired much of what George Lucas went on to create.
Ya a lot of sci fi fans consider it the best sci fi book ever
Yes, but there were a lot of influences behind Star Wars, not just Dune. Flash Gordon, Valerian, Joseph Campbell, and The Hidden Fortress also heavily inspired Lucas.
The box creates pain by “nerve induction.” So it’s real pain signals to the brain, but without damage.
The spice melange only exist on Arrakis
The Navigators use to spice to navigate
The Bene Geseite Sisterhood uses the spice to gain sight Beyond sight
The nobility uses the spice to extend their lives
The space is highly addictive and withdrawal is always fatal
Whoever controls the spice controls the universe
Hey guys this video is really long so grab a snack and get comfortable because Dune is a wild ride!
As always, thanks again for supporting the channel guys!
If you want to know more about the Dune universe there is a channel called Quinn's Ideas that does a lot of lore videos on it.
Yes. The best Dune Lore Channel IMHO. Even for book readers like me.
@@lalalarose8197 Yes! I love her Dune Club Series!
Grandpa, the old duke, was killed by a bull in a bull fight. The bull head over the mental was the one that killed the duke. ( Great detail but isn’t a spoiler)
He means mantle not mental
When he yells at his mom, that scene was so damn good.
Best scene in the first section of the book. And also the best scene in the movie lol
Why? Can you relate?
I like that Villeneuve held back a little and didn't include characters like Feyd Rautha and the Padishah Emperor cause he wanted to introduce them in part 2. Chani will also be expanded. Adding to the already stellar cast will create some more buzz.
Duke Leto and House Atreides growing popularity and military prowess threatens the Emperor so he plots House vs House.
Paul's visions (prescience) don't show just one possible future but several possibilities. This is a main point of the book, that seeing the future isn't linear and is not set at one particular point in time.
Remarkable that a book written in 1965 inspired so many like Star Wars. etc.
person narrating the story is also not introduced yet. unlike in previous movie and show..
You guys should reaaalllly see this in theaters on an IMAX screen. The director said he made the movie as a love letter to the big screen, and personally I feel like people are missing out on a once in a lifetime experience by not seeing in theaters
Yes!
Oh yes we are going to see it in IMAX!
@@MACReact I saw it on IMAX yesterday and thinking of going to see it again this weekend. =)
The visions are called prescience in the book, but they mean seeing all the possible futures ahead. That is the same power the navigators of Spacing Guild get from the spice, which lets them navigate through space safely. They see the possible paths and chart the safest one. It is like how Han Solo described what the computers on the Millenium Falcon does in A New Hope to Luke. For Paul, he's able to see all the possible futures but at first he's not able to know which one will come true. He dreams of his death and a possible Jihad carried out by the Fremen in his name, which is what he sees during that scene with the fighting and them back on Caladan. In that future, the Fremen kill billions of people across the known universe in Paul's name and he loses control to stop it.
Not only does he lose control to stop it, and the end of the book he doesn't even seem to care to stop it: his overwhelming powers somehow seem to make him less "human". Something that people get wrong about Dune is abut Paul being a hero. He's not. He's more of an anti-hero: just as a hero starts his journey as an ignorant (not necessarily in a bad sense) if not downright arrogant person and is shaped into a better person by the adversities they face, Paul starts as a sympathetic kid who is transformed into a tyrannical figure who is impossible to stop because of his powers.
Dune's message, in the words of Frank Herbert himself, is that you should be very afraid of heroes. Not just because of them, but also of the people that will inevitably follow them.
I think in his visions, when Chani's hands are bloody and she's holding a knife, it's symbolism for maybe the old, somewhat naive, paul dying, and the beginning of this new paul.
Or maybe the figure holding the knife its not Chani at all, it may be Alia but we are not sure yet
In regards to the "Visions" Paul sees ALL Multiple possible futures. In this regard in one Future Jamis became his friend and mentor but the path he chose resulted in Jamis dying by his hand. And he was still "taught the ways of the Desert" in this
In that sense, I suppose Jamis is representative of the galaxy at large and Paul's relationship to the Fremen. In the first case in particular, because Jamis is Paul's way out (a quick but honourable death) of being responsible for the holy war and genocide he has foreseen. In the moment of killing Jamis, Paul is deciding that his own goals are more important than avoiding that future.
One thing I noted, is that the thing that made Jamis do the trial by death is that Jessica beat their leader in combat. And in the visions, his mom isn't with him, so she probably died during the invasion, which means that when Paul joined the Fremen his mom wasnt there to be the trigger for Jamis' death.
You guys were really perceptive given that you entered this franchise with no prior lore knowledge. I'm sure many comments already gave you what I'm about to write, but just a few things:
1. I guess an emperor can't be directly connected to the genocide of a popular noble house (Atreides) that he feels increasingly threatened by, so he sets them up to be ambushed by that house's ancestral enemy (Harkonnen). To make sure there's no fuck ups (we see that Harkonnen soldiers are plentiful but kind of cowardly too), he loans them a few battalions of his elite Saurdauker troops (they are neither good nor bad; just the emperor's obedient attack dogs). But at the end of the day he can't be connected to any of this. Luckily for him "there are no satellites over Arrakis."
2. Spice is like 20th century middle eastern oil. Without it there's no space travel - hence, no interstellar commerce/profits.
3. Because spice is so valuable the harvesters risk life and death up to the last minute before worms arrive, and why Harkonnens would never bomb a spice refinery (they were carpet bombing the airfield so Atreides troops couldn't fight air power with air power/or airlift weapons/artillery/troops to safe locations).
4. Not spoilers but in this world there is technology but no A.I. That's because a malevolent A.I many years ago tried to conquer organic life forms and the organics fought back and won, making sure no A.I ever rises up again. So all technology must be manually operated. That makes spice precious because it enhances cognitive abilities and allows navigators of the space guild to route space travel making sure ships don't fly into stars and stuff.
AI being banned was not a skynet type deal, it was more of a religious and philosophical awakening and shift in human consciousness
@@The_Ajna actually, that is exactly what it was, a ban against artificial intelligence due to them enslaving humanity. Thinking machines were forbidden after the Butlerian Jihad, which is a part of a prequel trilogy written by Frank Herbert's son who carried on his father's work. Human computers were developed called Mentat, which is what Thufir Hawat is, as well as Piter DeVries, played by David Dalstmachian in this movie.
@@TruckDrivinGamer yeah it just depends how canon you see Brian herberts books being. I like to see them as somewhat of a separate universe lol
Finally! For people who had no clue about Dune, I'm glad that you get the concept of Dune. You guys are the smartest reactors I saw so far.
The future isn't certain for Paul in his visions at this point... He sees possible futures, not knowing which the ACTUAL future will be yet.
Dune has never been a story about action, it's a more philosophical and political story; in the book a lot of the action like the siege of Arrakeen shown in the movie was never really seen, only alluded to
"She doesn't like that union!" I'm impressed you picked that up: that's definitely part of the story's continuation and Jessica's ambiguous facial expression at the very end is definitely intentional on the director's part.
You can only scratch the surface of any Villeneuve film with a single viewing. I've seen it three times in big-screen cinemas and am only now figuring things out (and I know the book pretty well...)
Here's a theory I've read and that seems to check out: if you re-watch it, check the colour-tinting of Paul's various visions. Those in yellow tint are potential futures, those that Paul describes as being "crystal clear" appear likely or certain to happen.
First of all, I'm glad you guys liked the movie... but for the fucking love of GOD!! The fact that you watched this movie on a small ass computer screen and with split headphones?? It absolutely kills me that people actually miss the opportunity to experience a once in a lifetime cinema experience like Dune. This movie was a MUST see in IMAX.
welcome to covid life
About spice only existing on Arrakis, this is addressed a couple times over the books. Long story short, other planets tried to make spice on their world or synthetically but it never worked so Arrakis is it.
The worms that are overall known to have a relation with the spice (most people have no idea what specifically, just that there is a relation) had been tried to be transplanted to other worlds, but it always ended in their deaths.
Also the fact the sandworms can literally die from touching water is also why they would have a hard time living on other worlds.
Get a headphone splitter! Listening to this soundtrack in mono is close to a sin!
We will be seeing it again in Imax so we can get the full experience.
The way you react to everything from the music, costumes, worlds and powers seems to me that the director succeeded in selling this movie to a general audience. There are some inaccuracies to the books, but not criminal inaccuracies like the 80s book.
I assume someone else has mentioned it…but House Harkonnen spent the vast amount of their massive fortune to pay to transport their forces and the Imperial units to Arrakis…so with the attack on Duke Leto, the Emperor is accomplishing two things at once…the Baron drained his gigantic fortune [from Spice] and destroyed Duke Leto’s very powerful military [and political power within their version of the Imperial Senate]…the Atreides family was the most popular among all the Noble houses…so it’s popularity and leadership was even more dangerous to the Emperor than the Baron’s Massive wealth from Spice. The strategy pitted two great houses against each other to weaken or destroy them both.
Most people who have watched the movie w/o reading the book get a lot wrong (peoples motives, whos who, etc.) You guys have got a lot of stuff right just from watching the movie, very perceptive. I would recomend reading the book for part 2, watching Dune and already knowing whats going on adds a whole new level of enjoyment.
55:27 I think during the fight we find out that Paul's visions are kind of symbolic. he sees that man as someone who helps him learn about the Fremen... and he DOES, it's because of him that he's allowed in, and when he sees himself being killed the prophesy voice says "Paul must die" or something and I think that means that the old him has to die there and a new version of him is born.
He also teaches him the fundamental way of the desert, you have to be willing to kill, because everything here will not hesitate to kill you, that's just the way it is in that kind of environment.
He’s seeing different futures.
The vision voices said something like _“Paul Atreides has to die for the Kwisatz Haderach to rise.”_
Then it says, _“When you kill someone, you kill yourself.”_
So, Paul had to kill for the first time (therefore, killing himself) in order to be able to do what has to be done to follow the right path and become the *one.*
Death of innocence kind of thing I believe.
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The Bull imagery is there because Duke Leto's father, Paulus was killed by the same bull hanging.
Deeper lore shows it was Leto's mother who orchestrated that bull be drugged to kill him, out of anger and her own agenda.
It also serves as a reminder for Leto to never let his guard down.
And yet, just like his father fought the bull and lost, so did Leto. I thought that was a really, really cool visual theme they developed around this.
It basically represents betrayal and seems to appear every time a betrayal happens or is referenced.
@@lara314 Ah, that's very, very interesting. Kind of like oranges = death in The Godfather. Good catch
@@dan32321 I'm def gonna see exactly when the bulls appear on my next watch. 😊
@@lara314 Same. Thanks for pointing that out…
Really impressed at how easily y'all were able to follow and pick up on so much detail considering your limited knowledge of Dune!! As a long time fan of the book and a huge Villeneuve fan, this movie was everything I wanted it to be! Couldn't have asked for better! SOOOOOO glad y'all enjoyed it..... BRING ON PART TWO 🤙🏻
We love discovering new worlds and lore so we really enjoyed this movie, glad you enjoyed as well!
All modern Sci Fi/Fantasy springs from the Lord of the Rings/Dune/Foundation stories. These were the big stories before the 1970s. There were many great short stories that have made themselves into modern fiction but these were the big 3 for what we are seeing most in the movies and TV. Not counting comics. There is so much lore with Dune that you do not get from the movies and the TV series. Some of the questions you are asking have huge story implications in the background. Dune is suppose to be in our future almost 20,000 years from now. The books span over 5,000 years starting with Dune. So much story so little typing space to explain but ask away and I am sure the TH-cam community on your page can answer.
We love learning new lore so this movie was like going to an all you can eat buffet of it lol. As long as the movie was, I never really felt its runtime because there was so much to catch. We're so excited for part 2 now.
The timeline part always confuses me. If I recall correctly (I may have this totally wrong. It's been some time since I read every book). Frank says it's the year 10,191. I think in the prequels they say that dating system started when the Empire was founded and doesn't cover all the years between now to then. It could be 100,000 years before the start of the empire because I remember at least that Arrakis was found after the empire existed and then they found spice and could fold space. Prior they had to travel and put humans on planets the slow way. I'm not sure anymore if there was a definitive answer to exactly how time is recorded in the empire if it's actually 10,191 or that's just the age of the empire. I do remember that it was so long no one even remember Earth.
What a passionate and thoughtful review. You guys were very interesting and funny to watch. Your understanding about the world presented, the different issues, the characters' psychology was incredible. You get almost everything right or ask the right questions about things that are still unclear to you. Your wonder and enthusiasm for the world and the visual was cool.
It's great to see that if people are focused and interested enough, they can really understand the movie.
Looking forward to seeing you discover Part 2 in two long years!
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Edit: I would just clarify one thing about Jessica. She had her son out of love for the Duke and not in order to fulfill the prophecy. By the way, the Bene Gesserits are unhappy that Paul is a potential candidate for the being they are trying to create as he comes too early and has not been groomed by them while learning their powers from his mother. This is the reason why no one told him who he was before the story began. His mother hoped he wasn't The One and tried to hide his powers and his Bene Gesserit education from her order. But when one of the Order's sisters came to Caladan for the handover, she realized the boy had powers, notified her superiors, and then the Reverend Mother came to test (and if he fails kill) Paul.
Thank you very much! We were worried we would get a lot of things wrong, so seeing all the comments on how we got almost everything right was very relieving! We also love learning new lore and this movie was just BURSTING with it, just a lot of fun to watch. We're glad you enjoyed!
The 1984 David Lynch movie is maligned because the last hour is a total trainwreck and 80's sci-fi is pretty goofy and some of the fx are no bueno but there are many choices that are clearly better than 2021 just as there are many choices in 2021 that are clearly superior to 1984. They are both remarkable films that have very similar scripts but wildly different aesthetics. It is well worth a watch. The mini-series is respectable and book accurate but kind of dull, imo.
Saw the movie in theaters the day after it came out and began reading the book the day after. I just finished part 1 of the book and I’m completely hooked. I’d recommend reading it with the audiobook.
This movie, and your reaction, was amazing. Ill just make a few lore comments (no spoilers for the next movie)
A long time ago there was this huge war, a Humans vs A.I. war, and they have a complete ban on A.I. - so that guy from the beginning whose eyes went white, he's a 'Mentat', his brain is trained as a supercomputer, with drugs as well. Harkonnen had one too. They're frome one order of several orders of people who have greatly increased their consciousnesses, a few others are the all female 'Bene Gesserit', and the Suk (sook) school of medicine. That's why Yueh was able to get Paul's vitals by just looking at him and feeling him. I love how each does slightly different things, super cool.
Another thing I LOVE is Denis Villneuve's minimalist style. All the ships, the locations, cities, wardrobe, design...etc, they're all very 'simplistic' but elegant and functional if you think about it. Very appropriate for that story world. This way it doesn't detract from the story, the emotions...etc., and it gives it this sense of grand 'galactic, futuristic realism' that you won't find in most sci-fi. It would've been a farrrr different movie if George Lucas directed that script lol. I hope they make the second one!
I’d like to retort. The “AI war” story is not frank Herbert’s original intention. In the original book the butlerian jihad is more of a philosophical and religious movement against computers and “thinking machines”as a whole. Not really violent in nature
Dude I also loved the style of this movie. Maybe the most stylish world I've ever seen.
@@MACReact I HIGHLY recommend you watch this interview Denis Villeneuve did with Variety breaking down the Gom Jabbar scene, fantastic!! He thinks so deeply about the smallest details!
Here it is: th-cam.com/video/GoAA0sYkLI0/w-d-xo.html
I'm so glad newbies to the story were able to follow along. I've read the books, saw the movie opening day in theaters, I loved it. My worry was, will people who don't know the story be able to follow along? Glad to see it did, Dune is an epic story, this is 1/2 of the first book out of 4 (the real ones). This can be an epic cinematic universe if it gets the support
I'm about to finish the 3rd one, but to my knowledge there are 6 main books, plus a bunch of others written by Herbert's son and some other dudes. Why do you say 4? Are they not canon or not worth it?
@@MiguelAngelGutierrezRamirez 4 are written by frank herbert, the others are written by his son, its why I say the "real ones"
5 and 6 are also canon. But they are extensions of the main story. The main story ends with book 4.
@@sld1776 right but Frank Herbert didn't write them, hence the 4 "real" ones
@@pokeygorilla9368 No, man. Frank Herbert also wrote 5 and 6. It takes you a Google search to check this out.
Dr. kynes is not Fremen.She was appointed by the emperor but ultimately sided with the fremen in order to see a arakis become a paradise. As others have said, you two picked up on a lot! Bravo to you both and the movie for doing a great job.
"Dr. kynes is not Fremen.She was appointed by the emperor but ultimately sided with the fremen in order to see a arakis become a paradise."
There is a slight catch - this is true of Dr. Pardot Kynes, father of Liet Kynes, also an Imperial planetologist and ecologist. Dr. Liet Kynes is a Fremen - his mother is Stilgar's sister Frieth.
Sure, the character is altered somewhat in the film, but that doesn't affect the origin.
Paul can see different paths of the future. The vision is just one of those paths. The Jamis vision is prime example. In a different future, Jamis is alive and is a guide to Paul.
Today is Tuesday so at Cinemark theater it is only 6 dollars, after watching this reaction I'm going to watch it again in the theater.
You totally misundertsood the tent scene. They DID NOT felt Leto's death. They knew he's dead, because of the ring.
Edit: Also, in the desert it's forbidden to use shields, because the sandworms senses it and it's make them agressive too.
Wow you guys actually watch the movie. Looking forward to seeing more content. Lots of reviewers don’t pick up on stuff.
I feel like you guys would really enjoy the book. It seems you were picking up what the story was putting down, and even predicting stuff. If you like th world building so far, it's worth a read.
Bardem owned *EVERY* scene he was in, the dude is a beast, i´m so proud!
One thing I wish the movie covered was that Jessica had Paul out of love for the duke, against the order of the Bene Gesserit who commanded her to have Girls. Not that it changes the story.
What reactors don't realize is that a Bene Geserit can, apparently, control fetus gender.
One of the things I love most about this version of DUNE is how it ties deeply back into Earth history even though it's set in humanity's far future. The Emperor's powerful ambassadorial ship and the Moorish bearing of the Imperial Herald just screams of the Spanish Empire arriving at a colony in a spaceship instead of a galleon of old. And there was a biblical feeling of the religious fervor of the Fremen in adulation and prayer. Not saying that she's Jesus, but Chani walking in the desert in robe and sandals reminds me of just that. DUNE is otherworldly but at the same time firmly rooted in Earth history as well.
hearing THIS movie with a single earphone is a crime against humanity
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The adaptation was astounding, the cinematography, the score, and also the elegant way they weaved in a lot of exposition organically, keeping voice-overs and the like to a minimum. One bit of lore they could have tried to hint to was the reason for the absence of computers in this technologically advanced universe. It's a cool reason, and it helps understand the importance of spice and prescience in a world without the computing powers of ai. Maybe they'll address it in part 2
You're the only reactors I've seen that noticed the look Jessica got on her face at the end. I don't know much about the book so I'm not entirely sure what that means but I think it means something.
Denis and Rebecca did an amazing job with Jessica and her reactions to things. To me that face is the reality of his journey, and ultimately her own. This is all essentially unknown to her, what he may do as truly the chosen one. She has nothing ahead of this moment to back her up basically. She’s entering unknown territory, literally and figuratively
@@conncoll06 Yes and she also sees her son growing up, a bittersweet experience under the BEST of circumstances.
Paul IS seeing multiple possibilities/paths. He has to choose which to follow...even tho there are black areas on EVERY path.
the tent is a "Still Tent" like the Still Suits. it gathers water for collection.
The movie was amazing, can ‘t wait to see what y’all think
"I really liked that Duncan guy - I want more of him"
You're not the only one.
Let's hope for full Duneverse in cinemas or TV.
@@zvimur welp, at least part 2 was just confirmed.
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I hope Jason Momoa is ready for some rock climbing
@@dongiovanni4331 that better be the climax of the 5th movie
It's funny how you guys kept making comparisons to Star Wars. George Lucas admitted he was heavily influenced by Dune. He basically ripped off Frank Herbert's book...lol
Watching the entire movie on a small screen with tiny earbuds is a crime! The sound and visuals are the best parts!
Well we can't exactly film ourselves in the theater lol
The guy who was doing the calculations in his head was a Mentat. They were a class of people created to use their minds like supercomputers after artificial intelligence was abandoned after a brutal war. The Bene Gesserit's are an order who are trying to create a superhuman with advanced psychic powers. Bene Gesserit women can choose the sex of their children, because they have psychic powers, so Jessica chose to give Leto a son instead of only daughters because she loved him. The personal force fields will deflect any projectile weapon and if someone shoots someone wearing a force field with a laser or other energy weapon, it would cause a chain reaction that would basically cause a mini nuclear explosion. This is why they had to go old school and learn to fight with knives and hand to hand. The spice enhances psychic powers allowing the navigators to pilot the ships, because as I said before, artificial intelligence and other supercomputers were abandoned years ago, so the navigators and mentats are living computers. The Harkonnen's elite Sardaukar troops are trained from a very young age and their training is so brutal only 25% of the recruits survive the training and become Sardaukar. All the fear and mercy is beaten out of them in their training, which is why they're so brutal and merciless.
One correction: The Sardaukar serve the emperor at his pleasure, not the Harkonnens. If they were ordered by the emperor to ally with Atreides and attack planet Giedi Prime, they would do that just as willingly. You're right though about just how better trained they are compared to regular Harknonnen infantry. Harkonnens backed off immediately after witnessing Duncan take out a few of their own. Saurdauker would fight to the death and it actually bothered me how many Duncan was able to kill before he met his end.
George Lucas and George R R Martin were both inspired by Dune so that’s why the similarities exist
Yall are smart this movie throws alot of things at you without explaining
The best reaction to Dune i've seen so far....😎👏👏👏
Thank you 😄
Lol I had to subscribe to y’all because you captured the details of the film perfectly and you seem like a lot of fun
I was so nervous about how muggles were going to react to this movie. (Dune was part of my childhood; I grew up with it). Seeing your reaction (how into the story you got, and how well you were able to follow it, etc) is so good for my heart 😁 I’m so happy you enjoyed it!! Thanks for sharing your experience💙
The Sadaurkar sacrifice their failed trainees … those were the ones hanging upside down.
I like Villenueve's interpretation of Paul's visions. Paul sees many possible futures, and he keeps changing the future by taking different actions. He shouldn't be able to do this, so it's him slowly coming into the power of the Kwitsatz Hadderach that the Bene Gesserit have been attempting to breed for thousands of years. The Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers (not the normal ones) have a power similar to this, but not nearly as potent as Paul. Also, the leaders of the Spacing Guild (males who do all of the space navigation in the Dune universe) have this power up to a certain point. They know something happens with Paul, but not what.
No, only dune has spice,
Yall are smart this movie throws alot of things at you without explaining
Loved watching you. You caught all the details and subtext and understood the story and appreciated the art of this masterpiece. Subscribing.
Thank you so much, we were worried we were in over our heads
@@MACReact We all are. It's not a simple story. Lots of layers, and strange words. Plans within plans within plans. But that just shows what a great job Denis Villeneuve did in telling an untellable story without dumbing it down. Bravo!
This has so far been my favorite reaction. I've been watching lots of these as I have seen it in heavily booked theaters and want to get second viewings while enjoying peoples opinions, both for existing fans and newcomers, until I can finally watch it as a stream from home (in canada it aint out yet for online viewing and I can't risk pirated copies on a computer I rely on for work).
I love how you guys started to very accurately summarize the Emperor's plan without the movie bluntly throwing it at you ( in the 1984 version, it's essentially the opening scene).
Awesome reaction. I know it’s tough for a lot of people to get over the fact that this is part one. But I am so happy they are splitting it up. The story is massive, this universe is massiveee
Your Fremen subtitles were different than the ones I saw in the theater and on HBO Max last night. Similar but not the same.
Dune was DOPE!! can't wait for part 2
Paul is seeing possible futures, that is why he saw one where Jamis is like a mentor, and one where Chani kills him and so on.
12 minutes in and you both are fucking QUICK to pick up on shit. Ya'll got a sub from this long time Dune fan. Hell yeah.
We love learning new lore, and Dune is rich with lore so we had a lot of fun following along. Glad you enjoyed. 👍
Y'all are genuinely great comentators, as well as really preceptive people. Some reactors were confused about certain story beats but y'all caught up on most of them! Subscribed!
Any news on when you guys will do pt. 2?
Paul is not just seeing the future he is seeing all possible futures including ones where He and Jamis are friends.
lol Tatooine is like Arrakis. George Lucas took MASSIVE inspiration from Frank Herbert’s Dune.
In fact, Jessica only had Paul because Duke Leto wanted a boy to be the next Duque of House Atreides, so she disobeyed the Bene Gesserit and chose to breed a boy (yes, benne Gesserit have the power to decide the sex of their babies) just because she loved Leto with all her heart and she gave him what he wanted.
She didn't have Paul because she wanted to try and create the Kwisatz Haderack.
Paul sees possible futures. Almost all of them are terrifying. But the future is always in flux.
Yeah, Star Wars totally ripped the Dune 1st book off. Apparently it pissed off Frank Herbert.
Once in a lifetime chance! See it in theaters if you are able. I saw it twice so far and will probably go again :D
'That spice melange is one hell of a drug.'
- Rick James Ghola
LMFAO 😂
woooo movie reaction time 🍷🍿 forgot you said you were going to watch this
you are right in saying that game of thrones and star wars takes from this, but this book came out about 10 years after lord of the rings, lord of the rings and dune are the ogs of fantasy and sci-fi, and ever sense people are just trying to copy them
You very incredibly perceptive and got most things right - especially for a first time watching - but you kind of missed something when you talked about Dune at 1:03:40. The Emperor made it look like it was an attack *only* by House Harkonnen on the Atreides - his Sardaukar legions were only helping out in secret and there were not supposed to be any witnesses that would testify to the opposite. Which is also why the Emperor "lured" the Atreides to Arrakis in the first place: To make them vulnerable on an isolated planet *and* to give the Harkonnens a good, presentable reason to attack the Atreides - being that they "took" "their" Dune.
Oh ok thanks for clearing that part up! The movie really moves quickly so it was hard to grasp every detail on the first watch.
and it should be said, that the Emperor was not only wary of the Atreides popularity, but also didn't like that the Harkonnen were getting so insanely rich. All the Great Houses get various degrees of share of the income of the spice, through the C.H.O.A.M., the Emperor gets the biggest share. But the Harkonnen, obviously, made sure that some of the spice went directly to their own secret stash. For 60 years.
Nice reaction and review video. For anyone who is new to Dune…and has now watched Part 1 - I would highly recommend now listening to the audiobook. Stop when you get to the end point of this movie and you won’t spoil the next movie for yourself…you will learn a lot of things not explored here…but which will better inform you about the situation…they won’t ruin anything…this part one made some minor changes…but was pretty faithful to the book…the movie has cut some material and things…but I think you will be very pleasantly surprised.
Very good reaction! Hans Zimmer won an oscar for the original score. He should've gotten one for Interstellar. We'd love to see you react to that. Now you've got plenty of time to read the books while waiting for part 2. Stay away from Lynchs version. It'll just leave a bad taste in your brain. IMO. You guys are very enjoyable. 👍👍
The Bene Gesserit have been involved in a centuries-long breeding program to produce a messiah-like figure. Jessica was supposed to give Leto a daughter that the Order was planning to marry off to Baron Harkonnen's nephew Feyd Ruatha (who we haven't met yet). And Jessica is not Leto's wife, but his concubine. In the Empire, you marry for political advantage, not for love.
Paul's visions are not just of THE future. He sees many (eventually all) possible futures. In many possible futures Jamis was a great friend and teacher to Paul. In the book, when the fremen honor Jamis and says the good he has done, Paul says Jamis taught him what it was to take a life.
Paul sees possible futures. But the future he sees is not set. Every choice he makes can change the course he follows.
Bene Gesserit trained women can control their biology with their mental abilities to give only daughters to their husbands/concubines.Jessica let herself go to have a son because she loved Leto and also tried to subdue the Bene Gesserit agenda to her own interests and that of the Atreides. She has another motivation that remains secret for now (hopefully the second part will reveal it).
The story takes place about 26 000 years from now.
Bene Gesserit women have a lot of education and training. They can read non verbal behaviour and guess the state of mind of the people they look at, they can't really read mind, unless they are Reverand Mothers who can know if you are telling the truth or not at least. Reverand Mothers are thus used by noble families as Truth Sayers and advisors. Bene Gesserit uses those position to gain intel and influence on the Noble families.
The 1984 movie has a tremendously ludicrous art direction in many aspects but the special effects were very bad, mostly as far as ships are concerned, the ornithopters just look like tin cans zooming past the camera. Star Wars IV did better with less budget 7 years prior !
Liet Kynes wasn't Fremen, she (he in the book) was the Arbiter of the Change and Imperial Planetologist in charge of assessing the planet ability to welcome colonists on a large scale. With time and habit she befriended the Fremen and intergrated into their society. As an Imperial Planetologist, she must remain neutral in political affairs.
The Harkonnens left damaged and overused equipment (if not down right sabotaged) to make the Atreides suffer in their endeavours...
The Sardaukars warriors are fanatics and devoted to the serve the Emperor.
Leto didn't marry Jessica because he wanted to keep the place open for a political alliance if necessary.
Yueh perfectly knew that the Baron wouldn't respect his end of the bargain so he planned his vengeance preping Leto into becoming the one who would kill the Baron, it sadly failed. However, he also saved Jessica and Paul by ordering one of his thopters to be ready with Fremkits and the Duke's ring, and sent the Harkonnens piloting it to their deaths thx to Jessica's powers. The Baron survived thanks to his shield.
Armor will be better than an EM shield on Arrakis as Liet Kynes said, EM shields emit vibrations that attract worms and make them angrier.
The 1984 Harkonnens were even MORE disgusting imo, completely over the top disgusting.
I worked on the VFX for this film as well as for Part 2 - I enjoyed listening to movie reactions from time to time and have watched a lot of them from Dune throughout the past few years. This is by far my favorite reaction because you have such a good discussion and hit so many of the important points. Well done, thanks for sharing!