The Two Futures Of Automation: Capitalism VS Socialism
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- With jobs being automated and handed off to machines at an ever-increasing pace, it's only natural to consider what our future will look like. Will humans have more free time to spend with loved ones? More time to pursue hobbies and fulfilling activities? Or will the status quo prevail, leaving us to work increasingly meaningless jobs for the sake of squeezing every penny of profit out of human life? Let's talk about two possible futures of automation.
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There was this tweet that completely opened my eyes- it went something like " how fucked does our system have to be that robots doing things for us is a BAD thing?"
@@GorgeousJewel_1029 it's entirely possible, just not under capitalism
@@SpoopySquid True. Capitalism is just utter garbage.
It's a truly baffling situation. We're getting closer to having the majority of work performed by robots, and people not only act like that's a bad thing, they're completely confused by the suggestion that it might *not* be a bad thing.
In my case, it was polandball comic where America and Russia were talking about robots. America bragged to Russia how capitalism created such an innovation and Russia (modern Russia strangely) asked wouldn't robots be better under communism since it can enrich the people? I thought communism was just everyone getting stuff equally at the time (which is a severe misunderstanding) but it did leave a small awareness in the back of my mind for years until I actually learnt what communism actually was. (I learnt from Second Thought actually, lol)
Some economists even say that a country having lots of natural resources are a curse.
I too want to live in a world where, when a robot takes your job, that news fills you with joy, not with dread.
I think it's safe to say that if you currently work a job that can be easily replaced by AI, then you already live a life of dread.
I don't know where you work or what you're job is but there is nothing fulfilling of such a job. But then again, maybe that's just me and you actually love it.
@@collins9708 what’s your point? the point isn’t that they like the job, it’s that they need it
@@user-dk7ic1ci2z so what kind of job do you have, mind telling us about it?
I only say this because I know from experience what it feels like to truly dread a job and if you truly dread a job, then there isn't much different between dreading not having a job and dreading the one you currently have. And out of experience, the jobs I dreaded the most where the ones a robot or a monkey could do.
I consider myself very fortunate and have turned my life around now pursue my dream job and life has come together and I finally have fulfillment. But it wasn't too long ago I hated waking up in the morning and going to work just to hate it and do it all again on repeat. It was true dread so much so that I enjoyed my freedom, my free time when I was not at work so much that I put off sleep so I could get as much time as possible destroying myself in the process and being so tired all the time I wouldn't enjoy anything at all. I was in an endless loop and felt stuck. Life sucked and there was no hope of it getting better. It was it. I worked a dread type job and the only jobs I could get were dread type jobs because I didn't have any skills in life. The types of jobs that require 0 skills are the exact type of jobs a robot or a monkey could do and you can not obtain any skills from a job that requires 0 to begin with. You get nothing out of it and you are truly stuck.
We can only realize that world when we end money altogether, not before.
And implementing UBI is an universally bad idea. That would only lead to ever more consumption. And the continued creation of substandard products that need to be continually replaced.
As long as we continue to keep using the monetary system this over production will continue to plague our planet with increasing levels of pollution.
Without need of money we reduce the need for ALL labor, of any kind.
When automation is fully realized in a moneyless system it will only take about 3% of our population to provide for all of humanity. Which is low enough that force would no longer be necessary and work would become completely voluntary.
And it would only take us about a decade to switch to automation with no new technology being invented.
Imagine what humans could do given the time and freedom to follow their own passions without the requirement of profit being involved.
I am used to hearing the very word "socialism" being used like a borderline swear word. I've grown in a society of people who are proud to be constantly fatigued and earning very little. It's shameful to work less, it's shameful to earn more. Only now I'm starting to realize how twisted this all is.
We are living in a completely environmentally and socially unsustainable system (i.e. market capitalism) and we haven't done anything significant to change the system. The system itself is cruel because it is based on labor-for-income. All we did was update abject slavery to a bit more of a free-roam slavery with still the condition of absolute poverty if we don't agree to the terms of capitalist society. It's pretty disgusting when you think about it.
The alternative is we get the word out, we find common ground, we build movements to fight peacefully for something like a UBI that would remove the labor-for-income stressor and allow us to look even deeper at the system and start to transition away from that poison.
When we look at the predictions for the future of technology and automation we want to see that we are headed towards a more Star Trek-like future where the basic needs of people are all met with high technology and no forced labor and we can actually have time to explore, share and create.
We'll need a strong movement sooner rather than later and people who look to videos like this are on the right track.
Yes! Work more and make less is the motto.
there are way more colours in spectrum of socialism then the wannabe-socialism of the autocratic CCPR. Most European States are Socialist States in Fact. We had strong times of social democrat movements, which implemented a lot of regulation to ensure basic needs. its not perfect, and there are always forces that want to demolish the social system. but its a start.
Are can assure you that as someone living in Europe, Americans speaking about "socialism" like it’s a satanic thing makes me laugh out loud.
@@certaindeath7776 social democracy is qualitatively different from socialism and does nothing to solve the underlying class antagonisms that make automation problematic
To quote the German book qualityland:
"The problem isn't the machines. It's that they are owned by you and not by everybody."
It's a really great book.
society cannot function if automation is controlled by society. or in other words if it is socialist.
Automation causes socialist economies to implode because automation itself destroys the fundamental economic theorems that socialism requires to function.
Karl Marx is the one who proved this himself, the creator of socialism.
@@thezyreick4289 Citation needed.
@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 In that video I just linked is a citation as well.
@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 odd, the comment is not showing. here is another. The explanation and citation start approx. 1hr into the video.
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"We are living in a Đystopia without a cyberpunk aesthetic" words I will never forget
The fact I am painfully aware, despite being on the more lucky part of it with possibility of a decent work.
Join the solar punk movement, it's badass
Been that way since the American industrial revolution
Just because everything is glowing, doesn't mean you arent in a dark age.
And under socialism it would be a fucking apocalypse 🤣🤣. People this shit doesn't work and will never work. Even if in second thoughts perfect scenario u can see the huge flaws in socialism. Think about it, if you can choose to do what every job you want without any real pressure to make money, how many people do you think are going to do anything useful? FFS gen-z most wanted profession is online content creator, how many of those kids you think would do anything else if they didn't have to. Even with heavy automation boring jobs still need to be done, and no one is doing them without $ incentives.
"Its either Star Trek or Mad Max"
-someone on the Internet
@Han Boetes that seems to be the way things are trending.
@Han Boetes I'm sure it will trend more toward mad max
It's sad that most Mericans seem to prefer a world where two men enter a room but only one man leaves.
@Han Boetes How do you know Mad Max is not exactly like this video predicts for capitalism and the poor in the future?
The wealthy might not have been on screen and all we saw were the dirt poor people trying to survive to the point that they even get transfusions from other human beings.
@@jonathonpolk3592 Well, thats called hyper individualism, thats why such school of thought of "competitivity" is so dangerous, instead of helping each other like a species we fight each other to see who ends at the top, no matter the cost, either to human lives or the planet itself.
Its insane how less work - a thing unions have fought for and people dream of even if its just the nearest weekend, vacation or counting the years until retirement - is becoming a threat
All those regular human health and standard benefits like a 4-day work week, vacation and personal choice retirement are threatened as long as we stay rooted in the capitalist system. The end of the road to the capitalist driven system is a steep cliff towards total destruction. I don't want to enable that. The negative effects of this system are already being seen and we will have to deal with them even in transition towards a better system.
But I want people to focus on what they can do to promote and build a better system. Contributionism is better than capitalism no matter which way you slice it. Look at what is happening with the One Small Town initiative and Michael Tellinger. Real, community-level positive change for prosperity and abundance where automation is our FRIEND, not enemy. Where working 4-days a week could be considered over working because we can do more with less.
This is the idea of the future -the contributionist One Small Town strategy. This can be scaled or segmented to communities from 5,000 to 100,000. People want a way out, and this could very well be it.
Automation could be an amazing thing if it goes more towards the latter . It would give us people time to focus on what really matters and be creative . Automation has the potential for both a utopian and a dystopian future
I think it’s more of how we should live. We don’t need to be on our deathbed to reflect on our life. There is supposed to be much more to life than just working yourself to the bone.
Fascism wants to replace creativity with bots and make you work on what they want; post-scarce Communism wants to replace what society needs but is hard to do with automation, while you can pursue your creativity/hobbies.
When a system is so fundamentally broken that people having to do less work for the same amount of production is an apocalyptic scenario.
it was engineered by some humans to do that
That's like saying "it isn't cancer, it's leukemia, brain tumor, breast cancer, etc." corporatism and cronyism are products of the same thing : capitalism
@@capsintheroy7224 this is the inevitable result of capitalism’s inherent consolidation of power.
@UCiGwNjIXEwsNtGB4I_dkQ1w the only reason they have to take a roundabout route is because the government has a monopoly on violence and authority, in a pure capitalist system, that bigger company will just actually destroy their competition. Pure capitalism always ends in monopoly, and once a monopoly is achieved it basically becomes a totalitarian government.
@@notaword1136 or atleast an oligarchy
Automation: makes work easier
Workers: Boss, are you going to take this opportunity to continue growing at a steady rate while giving us more time off and extra pay??
Boss: HAHAHAHAHAHA
Automation: makes labour workers unnecessary
Labour Workers: Government, are you gonna take this opportunity to abolish busy work altogether and establish a universal credit system making any and all work optional seeing as manufacturing and production will require no capital investment anymore due to full automation and clean energy
Government: what, you want to live for free? (even though life, food, and all the materials of Earth were found for free)
Business corporations:
Nah yall good gonna have to invest in us to earn a living
Labour Workers: but how do we earn money to invest and become capital owners now our jobs have been taken over at no expense to you
Government: hmmm
@@WILLINGLYWILD this is it.
Can I quote this?
🤣
Boss: "Oh you'll get time off...all the time off."
@@patrickmalloy2798 LMAO
I talked to a coworker of mine who fills one of the least skilled positions at my job about automation and how eventually they could replace a bunch of our jobs with computer programs (white collar work) and they looked horrified. They said "well yea but the boss would have to buy a big million dollar robot to pull the files, and how would a program start without a person to press the buttons" I just agreed because I didn't have the heart to tell her that the only thing that makes us still have paper files is government audits and the fact that the boss is really old school and doesn't use one of the computers connected to our server.
I often think the world makes no sense. When we make TOO MUCH stuff, everything crashes down and people go without. When LESS work is necessary, people have to work more, faster to stay alive. On a different note, 8 hours is exhausting. I find school, 6h 5 days a week, tolerable, but 8h is ridiculous I care much more about hours in a day than days, but it’s crazy awesome to imagine 5-6 hours a day 4 days a week.
Very happy to have collaborated with you on this! You are doing excellent work on shedding light on these important issues
Thanks for the collab! I love how your video turned out. Keep it up!
Great message and really how it should be.
Thank you both!
yas
@@SecondThought great video thanks..
If you are ever thinking of making a follow up on this one, you may want to include what i will call 'the common heritage "argument for a UBI. What i mean by that , is that none of the technologies and other things we use are truly 'worked for' by any of us. They are the result of 1000s of years of human inventions, learning and many many working hours of our parents, grand parents, grand grand and so on.So no one can claim these inventions as solely their own effort or even deny anyone their basic needs when it comes to being able to living in a highly technologically advanced society.
The second point you may want to include is what i will call 'the intrinsic human value argument for a UBI'. Capitalism and socialism have BOTH stressed enormously on seeing people as mere workers, in fact until today politicians talk about people as 'workers' (also Bernie) as if 'workers' are all people are, as if their work is their only value!
A UBI would actually assign value to people as people, something that should have happened a long time ago and would have saved us a whole lot of trouble.
My 2 cents, good luck n your channel!
I get so enraged and embarrassed to see how limited the imagination of my AI peers can be at times. Automation and AI have the ability to play a key role in maintaining production in a future post capitalist world, but somehow all we get are robo dogs with guns and new drones :(
Who produces the drones? the elite
Who orders the drone strikes? the elite
So its logical that the elite would want better drones instead of things the people could use.
So we are more likely to get the robodog from Battlefield 2042 instead of Baymax from Big Hero 6
@@themightycat7238 oh forsure! They're the ones controlling the direction of the field currently, and I don't see that changing without an upheaval of capitalism. I'll keep trying to find a way to fight it but am vastly outnumbered in tech and just getting into the field
@@IronKnight2402 man I love Baymax. Would definitely be down for that. Gotta maintain our revolutionary optimism! I refuse to just give up even when things look pretty bleak ✊
How about automatons that do all the farming labor so we can have socialized free food!??
Bertrand Russell's essay In Praise Of Idleness discusses this, how essentially with shorter working lives due to automation the working class can start to engage in the creation of culture, art, literature, philosophy, Things that have been for a long time the preserve of wealthy individuals would be available for the working class to engage in.
@@balleraap007 I agree, competition can be a great motivator for spurring people on to greatness, what I stated doesn't preclude that.
It's important to realize that automation doesn't just mean a robot/computer replacing a worker. Much of modern automation is about making existing workers far more efficient. This means that the business can earn more money, and drive out competitors, without having to hire more people. So the jobs are eliminated not because they are being done by computers, but because you just need less people to get the same amount of work done. The biggest reason this matters is because it means that automation can go even farther and even deeper into the society than is clear at first.
Yes, and that is awesome.
Productivity = production over time
Instead of decreasing the amount of time each person has to work under a higher degree of productivity, capitalism uses productivity to create unemployment and keep the wage and work hours of the workers the same while increasing the profit.
The biggest problem is that the profit is bigger but the value created through production is the same, which means the workers become poorer and the owners become richer.
I mean, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are making it pretty clear that the plot of the Matt Damon movie "Elysium" is the end goal we're dealing with. Us plebs get to live on the charred husk of the earth and the wealthy will live in luxury in space.
Musk is planning to build base on Mars. A good way to avoid tax if you are living in space and everything willl be controlled by Musk company and they will run their business on earth without any problem. Even government will not be able to control them at all.
@@overlordborn6131 yeah pretty much litterally elysium lol
@@neilmuir3503
The only way to stop them is to nationalize their company, otherwise he is planning to reach Mars within this decade and maybe he will build up base by 2050. This guy has everything even internet by starlink satellite , it's all planned to build Elysium on Mars.
@@overlordborn6131 yeah. pharohs of the 21st century.
@@overlordborn6131 I am really surprised no one has linked Musk's satellite system and the plot of the first Kingsmen movie.
"The greater the rate of automation, the lower capacity for human workers." There is no better example of this than the agricultural field, from employing 90% of humanity less than two centuries ago to employing >1% today. This trend feeds into all fields, automotive, pharmacological, retail.
And it isn't bad! They don't have to break their backs for that work. Instead of fighting automation, embrace it and use the gains to lift those replaced upwards!
@@nates9105 automation itself is great if it's used to help everyone reduce their work loads. It's a big ol problem when it's being used to drastically increase the rate of wealth / resource extraction from communities.
@@nates9105 It'd be good if it was used for lowering the time each peson spends on working, instead of how many people can work, as so far work is still something you have to do to survive.
@@nates9105 The other replies are missing the fundamental point. Automation is good ONLY IF the worker own the means of production. Otherwise, it's a dystopian hellscape
@@theflaggeddragon9472 Yep! But that brings the question - how do we own the production? Is it all employees own a piece of the company? How would that look from a cleaner, to a repairer, to the laborer on/throughout the line, to the engineers, to the administrative office workers, to the group that initially put together the initiative and capital for the business?
Or should something like charging a fair tax to the privatized owners/giant unfair businesses by using the representative democracy government we have, which should be owned by the people but evidently giant giant businesses end up having huger influence?
Realising that I - a not very efficient worker - was doing work that would have taken a literal roomful of workers less than fifty years ago and being paid less in real terms was maybe the most radicalising moment of my life.
In the year since this video was posted, several AI breakthroughs (DALL-E2, Stable Diffusion, etc.) have presented the very real possibility of artistry being automated & effectively eliminated as a profession. ChatGPT ought to bulldoze millions of boring, boilerplate tasks, it doesn't need to be able to get an A in a grad school philosophy course it just needs to be better than what the typical person would be able to write in a comparable time. Fascinating times we are living in.
Thankful to be born in a generation where I might live in cyberpunk or star trek scary but exciting times
@@wussrestbrook1200 true. At least the times are exciting.
That's the only negative outcome of automation, when art will stop being a human endeavour it will be the day I'd kill myself, since I would have lost the only thing giving meaning to my and many other people's life.
I fear the day a machine will be able in a fraction of a second to arrange pixels to make a painting on a screen or produce a song, write a novel and so on, that day humanity will suffer the gratest loss so far, because if machines are capable of creating billions and billions of paintings, songs movies every day, art will loose value, because art's value resides in its scarcity.
@@argento8447 how childish.
Fascism wants to replace creativity with bots and make you work on what they want; post-scarce Communism wants to replace what society needs but is hard to do with automation, while you can pursue your creativity/hobbies. UBI doesn't work under capitalism as the tax-payer pays for itself; under communism the economic value comes from factories not to them. Replacing the arts with automation in order to pursue fascist visions isn't good, it's the opposite of what's good. We should replace industrial jobs and enjoy creating art. Humans would be very bored if their hobbies are done "for them" with barely any control over the tiniest aspects of their work while their work is not. Also, AI models steal from artists without compensating them, which is the opposite of the communist ideology on art as labour rights are the emphasis not consumerism.
I used to think the movie Elysium was too heavy handed, too blunt, about the world being despoiled and ruined and the rich absconding with the majority of the wealth to a space station, where they live in idle luxury with borderline magical medical technology, and the teeming masses fight for scraps on Earth.
Now I think it's too on the nose.
Scary true! The number of days now where I look at Elysium as a future we are headed towards rather than just a sci-fi mythical story is ever increasing.
We need system change, and soon. Movement for a Natural Law Resource Based Economy because we don't want Elysium to become reality.
Its inevitable.
Better don't watch "In Time" with Justin Timberlake then, imagine Jeff Bezos with Billions of years on his clock while a wage cuck has only days XD
Automation can be our best friend or our worst enemy, unfortunately with the current system we have, it's going to be the ladder 9 times out of 10
And 1 out of 10 times it will still be a stepladder.
Jokes aside, this can be applied to pretty much any advances under current system.
Yeah we're fucked. If we try to change the system the government will scream Commies and fucking turn us into red mist
Hate to be that guy, but it's latter not ladder
@@garr_inc Stepladder what are you doing? Help me I'm stuck in this washing machine.
That's charitable, I can't think of the one time it wouldn't.
The irony is that Jerome Powell was saying the other day how they won’t consider raising rates until we achieve “maximum employment”. But then when asked to define it he says “well we looks at a range of factors and can’t define quantitatively.”
Yeah we’re moving in this direction quickly
The thing that eludes us still is imagining a third way: a balanced ideal and existence.
That third way was born almost at the same time as the other 2 models however it was ignored to some extent for sometime but in case you are interested on 3th way model is called Distributism and another one is called Social Credit thou the original version not the Chinese one
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Only in capitalism something as wonderful as automation could end up making people's lives worse.
Ever been to a socialist country?
It's a bit hard to go to a country that doesn't exist. I live in a capitalist country and I know what I'm talking about.
@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg I been to one. Poverty looks different there. Only overweight people are politicians and their friends.
No, you didn't. There are no socialist countries, so it's impossible that you visited one. And it's weird to criticize that imaginary socialist country of yours as "people aren't overweight".
@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg Venezuela is a socialist country. Just because you may have a different definition doesn't make it so. The overweight reference is showing that people have enough to eat. Oh, I guess there has never been a socialist country, either.
"[Automation under capitalism] punishes you for simply existing in a society with scientific progress."
A very succinct description of something that surely stares anyone with awareness and humanity in the face.
We can surely do better, it's madness that anyone would think we couldn't.
We need fully automated luxury space communism
What I don't understand is what the end game of these abusive companies is. If you do not pay your workers or drive 90% of the population into poverty, who is going to buy your product? Even if people go into massive debt to keep buying it is a completely unsustainable system. How can they not see this?
@@selalewow they'll start buying and selling with each other.
i mean automation will create a bunch of new maintenance and developing jobs, perhaps a world where the lowest in intellect are forced to join the army and poverty migrants stop being a thing is a better guess for our future. A bit dystopian but we will all be better off, and the future always looks dystopian to the past anyways so...
Reminds me of Detroit: Become Human. The entire time I saw the story, I was thinking that the Robots were never the problem.
One of these outcomes sounds amazing, the other terrifying. Yet here we are barrelling towards an abyss of despair despite having the answers.
the capitalistic one is the amazing one. its just presented as "terrifying" because commies love to scare people about capitalism. but commies are always 99% wrong about capitalism.
You could just try to own a robot and become a capitalist?
Jaron Lanier wrote a book called 'Who Owns the Future'. He delves into this subject matter, expertly. Thanks for making this video.
Im beginning to think that perhaps this channel doesnt 100% support capitalism, not sure on this though
Big if true
Most of us here in this channel are tired....the system we use is unfair...inhumane, and dosen't care about us....its cruel and unfair
Nahhhhh, he's just playing devil's advocate... right? I mean, look at First Thought, his other channel. Big pro-capitalism vibes!
@@nairsheasterling9457 me first and only, one could say
@@nairsheasterling9457 Is there a First Thought channel? Can't find it on the search.
In simple words: less than 100% employment is not something to fear, if your system allows people to live decently even without being employed
We still need people working of course, and they will gain more, honestly this doesnt sound like capitalism's fault. We need to pay welfare somehow, things arent free.
I think capitalism is amazing at distributing resources, but envy makes capitalism seem like a bad thing.
@@shrekeyes2410 I think the problem is that capitalists don't have to give you a decent wage even when profits increase due to automation. In fact, they can use it against the worker because its cheaper to run.
@@shrekeyes2410 no
@@Catthepunk There is a reason minimum wage exists, I dont believe capitalism can run itself.
@@shrekeyes2410 the minimum wage is an example of the problem. Not sustainable without other measures to make sure it is actually livable.
It's truly good to hear you say what I've been thinking and very clearly with careful attention to detail.
When i was a young child in the 70's (Gen X in the house!) there were articles that would ask "What will we do with all of our leisure time in the Atomic Age?". Disney had the Tomorrowland exhibit, culture was waiting for flying cars, and we had an active space program and sci fi on TV...and then the OPEC oil embargoes crushed the economy. The socialist vision of the future was pretty mainstream until somewhere around the time we decoupled the Treasury from the gold standard. I dont know how many Gen Xers would agree with me but I've always felt that we were given a hope for that future and then Reagan and his ilk stole it from us. Ever since, the goalposts have been moving toward post capitalist dystopia. The socialist vision for future needs amplification.
Automation under Capitalism: less money for everyone but the 1%
Automation under Socialism: more free time for everyone
We are currently under the first scenario, we would need to change the current leadership in congress to make the second nicer scenario happen.
socialism doesn't work
@@thetruth65756 it actually does work
@@thetruth65756 you're thinking of communism/regular socialism, nowadays when people say socialism they mean democratic socialism wich is used in Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Finland. Democratic socialism is way better than capitalism
@@SoundMind. yes, all the past governments aiming to get to socialism have been very successful lmaoo
And yet people fight to the death to protect the very thing that will happily toss them aside like garbage, that thing is capitalism.
The video is incomplete. What about capitalism's incredible wildcard that allows new jobs to be made and the job market to adapt all the time? You don't think automation will cause new jobs to be made? What living standards are we talking with socialism? Why make the average human work less when new jobs are being created, won't that stagnate humanity? These are simple questions you can ask. Firstly, people in politics will not allow true socialism as that is not in the interest of corporations who support governments. Secondly, capitalism will just adapt better to a new industrialised or automatized economy.
@@mrcheckhammmer Automation is taking away more jobs then it creates. The Human population is growing and the jobs available is shrinking. The people at the top even admit that universal basic income will most likely be necessary to keep capitalism alive, Elon Musk talks about this all the time.
Here is a video that might change your mind, if not that's completely fair and fine. I am not an expert when talking about capitalism or socialism, its a complex issue that deserves discussion for sure.
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@@marco12377 Yes, UBI is a plausible idea. However socialism is not.
@@mrcheckhammmer Did you watch the video? I disagree with socialism not being plausible, I also don't think America needs to be completely one way or the other. Increasing socialism, while maintaining capitalism is something I would like to see. Keep in mind, we already have many socialized systems in America like Police, Firefighters, Paved roads, Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment etc... Taxes are a system of socialism, and I am sure you wouldn't be for getting rid of taxes completely, right?
@@marco12377
Yea, no, not really, that’s not socialism, it’s a social “democratic” system.
A social “democratic” system that is one Ronald Reagan away from collapse.
You're my new favourite youtuber! Thank you for helping me learn what socialism really is and where capitalism is failing us. Love from Australia 🇦🇺🤞🏽
capitalism is not "failing" us. please watch some videos on capitalism. the biggest issue with capitalism is Central Banking, Government Money, regulations, Gov taxation and Debt.
capitalism is producing more wealth than ever and people around the globe are richer than ever.
Capitalism just lifted 2 billion people in india and china out of poverty after they were dirt poor due to socialism.
I agree with shake’s statement above. Don’t be fooled by these videos, they appear one sided the more I watch. A constructive and educative video would present both good and bad. I think that’s where this channel has fallen short, I see one sided videos consistently, however I haven’t watched all so that could change if I see the right videos.
@@shake6321china is still socialist
@@killer41756China is capitalist
@@shake6321All the problems you mentioned above are innate to capitalism which makes it eventually fail. Capitalism works as a ponzi scheme as time goes on.
China and India needed socialism to get their populations to build their economies.
And capitalism is now impoverishing people. Let's not deny this
More people need to see this- we could improve so much
Profit only has value because of what it motivates people to do
but if we automate our needs all that’s left are for people to do what they feel meaningful and they will probably be so much more productive and ingenious as a result but best of all, people can live truly fulfilled lives- isn’t that the point of civilization?
One aspect I wish you had mentioned: The owning class is dependant on the working class not only for their labour but also for their consumption of products. If you produce any kind of product and there are not enough people who can afford it, you will go bankrupt. In the capitalist scenario, a UBI is an absolute necessity because otherwise, even the 1% will not stay rich as more and more people lose their jobs and thus their income and their ability to buy anything. The only workaround would be to sell your products in other countries, at which point you might as well move your whole company there.
The owning class also buys things, so over time, production of goods and services is shifted toward luxury products and things rich people need. The working class won't be able to afford them, but they have no jobs and no money anyway, so they wouldn't even be able to buy the cheapest products.
@@jasons5916 You are right Those cheapest products will still have to be manufactured, though, because even the richest 1% will need to eat, dress and take a shower from time to time. How will you produce them economically if the vast majority of your customers have effectively left the economy? At best, we are heading towards a world with two completely separate societies where a handful of rich people buy essentials for exorbitant prices from other rich people while the vast majority of people are left to themselves to create a new type of economic system from scratch. That doesn't sound good for either side.
I'm so confused by your statement but it is one I keep seeing made repeatedly in error so I felt the need to address it. Why would someone with a surplus of resources and an artificial workforce NEED other people consuming the resources they've acquired? This stuff you wrote just seems like a bunch of academic bs made up by economists to make them seem more relevant than they are. Capitalism ia a religon, you see, and economists are among its preachers. You have been taught memes to share and myths to live out in order to enable the class structure someone has envisioned to their benefit, plain and simple.
Not necessarily so. The 1% in America account for over 3 million people. That alone is a big buyer base. Plus there's the half that still have jobs. There's also the fact the venture capitalism/hedge funds have made people spending money on your product a smaller and smaller part of the equation. Amazon got where it was because it had an army of investors pumping money into it so it could operate at losses until it competed enough businesses out and captured the market share it has. A lot of other companies like Uber are doing this now, if investors stopped pumping the money in and cashed in their chips stock wise they'd go down. Perhaps they could keep making money by selling stock, something at this point that's largely imaginary and has a value that's basically arbitrary to the buyer and seller
The working class will be dependant on the working class just until AI and Automation is fully implemented. After that .. they'll be independent .. ez pz
So either we have a future where more people become victims of poverty or homelessness...or people of the working class have a far safer future
The first scenario is already happening, the second one is highly unlikely unless we change the current leadership in congress, We need more progressives so we can have the nicer scenario.
@@crazybusdriver1 100 percent
I think its the 1st scenario. Unless people stick together and that's not in the cards today.
@@imperfect_dan7519 you both need to get reformism out of your minds, it hasn't lead us anywhere
@@ernestokrapf Please shut up your sounding cringe
This was great. I had a similar conversation with a friend a while ago. Thanks for a great vid
As for me, my workplace is also a very social place. It's at the office I have all my friends and that's where I tell jokes, gossip and where we eat lunch together. I felt so lonely and miserable during working from home, I have no idea how I would cope with no workplace to go to. Maybe if I used my free time to study I would meet class mates or maybe I would hang out with my neighbours more.
I think in a society with full automation we would need more public spaces where we can socialize, places like libraries, cafés, maybe an artist studio open for the public to use, computer rooms where you can game together, etc.
And there would still be work even if it’s not under production. But yeah
Philanthropic pursuits, research, development, etc etc. and those who do work will be better for than those who don’t. But those who don’t won’t be threatened with the violence of poverty
I am a delivery driver for Amazon. They are now installing AI cameras in their delivery trucks to supervise us. We feel like Amazon is using this to teach an AI how to do our job. It's a matter of time before we're all out of a job 😞
im sorry =[
some of the leading software developers have the opinion that we wont see self driving cars in near or mid future. its way too complex.
i guess ur job is safe, and they just want to get rid of packet loss and stuff like that.
whats way easier to replace is the jobs of millions of low to mid level buerocrats. many of those deliver a bad job, an AI could do that a lot of their tasks much better, without the level of arbitraryness and incompetence you find in many services.
Fortunately for you, an A.I. engineer don't use the data from a driver to create a self driving car, he uses the data from the road for that.
@@MrSQTB_TV just make a business bro 🙄
@@notpublic8961 DUDE I'm not surprised they deleted the comment that's legit what typical socialist/commies always do. they believe in censorship, they believe the poor are to stupid to make their own choices and they don't care about the truth or actually helping people. for anyone that might read this go read up what Lennon style communism is. this channel along with other socialist channels are here only to brainwash you to thinking that you cannot help yourself and that you need the government to step in and help you. therefore giving up your freedoms for security.
As a schoolboy in 12th grade, I dread to imagine what kids like me, and especially future generations, would be up against as adults with this in mind. Fighting for survival would be just as common in society as it is in the wild, just under a different lens. And to the benefit of such a small few. Ugh. When will they learn...?
@MLG Joe Our empire is over! The rest of the world is now fully aware of what we did! Even we ourselves are finally waking up to all of this! Hopefully, it's not too late!
Trades. They cannot automate a trade such as plumbing, electrical, etc.
@@Streghamay They make it in such a way that any person can do it with moderate levels of skill and training. In the olden days plumbing involved the use of metals and soldering and welding in even domestic pipework. Now most domestic work is plastic and easy fitting parts and a lot of the old techniques are gone. Similar trends can be seen in low voltage domestic electrics. The real money is in design, specification and inspection but this is rarely done by anyone but degree qualified people.
I was listening to the radio about a year ago to a labour expert from MIT who predicted that kitchen installers were the most future proof job going, at least for 20 years. Grim when even the experts cannot see out beyond 20 years into the future. He reckoned you would need skills in plumbing, electrical and carpentry, gone being the days when one man would handle each trade.
Same here.
@@KingMickeyMouseOoO Empire didn't help most people to begin with. Expansion is a glitzy way to fill people with nationalistic emotions while the top gets richer.
Hi, very interesting video. Where could I find the sources that you used to infer the emerging of three different classes for example? Or are most of the hypothesis yours?
Our society is so divergent that two arguments on either side are so different, each respective listener agrees with their own bias.
The very foundations of what each side desires is so different. How could we possibly hope to work together? Especially if our goals are different.
Under capitalism, "efficiency" means cut hours resulting in a loss of wages and potentially losing your job entirely.
Under socialism, it means more free time to do other things.
So you will do more hard and dangerous work because he is no machine to do it, you will not have more time, you will have hard time.
If we focus on upgrading our infrastructure in a socialist manner, automating agriculture and housing, we would no longer work for survival, we would work towards our passions.
The capitalist society we have drives innovation, and with more automation, you would be able to have a small team of likeminded people bring ideas into fruition quicker, which will actually mean that self employment will become more viable, and company sizes would reduce, minimising monopolies.
You need both to some extent, but we’re too focused on surviving to see it.
@@bowkenpachi7759 they drive different types of innovation capitalism supports small scale inovation but socialism supports large scale innovation it's no coincidence that most proxy wars to do with inovation the USSR won
@Lewis Wood there is just as many people needed in factories in capitalism as socialism
In theory yes, in practice defintely no
It does a great disservice to humanity to presume our value is derived solely from our work.
What of happiness?
Happiness is earned through hard work and time you put into the thing that gives you happines. Happiness should never be the end goal instead it is just the byproduct of your striving to be better and to become better. If everything is given to you and you don't have to work for anything you most likely wouldn't be happy you would be depressed and without purpouse.
Happiness is just a release of neurotransmitters. Just snort coke.
@@ThePunter209 as some philosopher put it; there are two kinds of pleasures, the lower pleasures, sex, drugs, food, and higher pleasures, art, theater, accomplishment.
We are basically just Organic Less Powerful Machines to the Upper Class
Can't tell if you're supporting or opposing capitalism here but the point is that, under our current system, workers are only valued in terms of how replaceable they are to their bosses. Automation should be used to free people from menial work, not trap an entire society in poverty.
Even without automation, I think we could create a system where everything we need (food, water, shelter, clothing, school, healthcare) is free and a world where if you wanted to work you could, or you could go to school, but you also don't have to. Because the system would be well organized, for example, farms growing food not for corporations to seek profit, but rather just food for society as a whole and where people who chose to go into construction are able to build houses or other living areas as they are needed. A society where all it takes to get a job is to walk in and say "Hey, I'd like to work here." And a world without borders where if you wanted to go into another country, you could with very few to no restrictions.
I want to hike the three crown trails in the United States, but because I am essentially a slave to my job, living paycheck to paycheck, that dream is currently impossible. I would also like to point out that we could see more musicians and bands pop up, more artistic drawings, more movies and video games. Because with capitalism, everything costs money, but in a more socialist society... well... that is where 'true' freedom lies.
Some of the content you provide in the youtube videos I've watched are thought provoking or spot on. Others you'll need to return to the drawing board.
Not gonna lie, I don’t really care about your opinion
People: What would our future be?
Climate: Allow me to introduce myself...
I've never forgotten a cartoon I saw something like thirty years ago: Two homeless guys were on a bench, having a conversation. "Remember when we were kids and looked forward to when machines would do all the work?" "Yep. And here we are!" "Yeah... so remind me why we thought we'd be getting paid for it?"
Because you believe in capitalism I assume. I've known te truth about capitalism for at least 10 years and ive always known that under capitalism this would lead to extreme poverty and rates of homelessness. But under socialism this could work very well for humanity
Before anything we need a safety net system
The worst that should happen to anyone facing financial problems/unemployment is to use those safety nets as opposed to simply starving while unsheltered
I feel like a universal basic income is inevitable so that we can keep buying things and keeping the economy open but I don’t know if it will be enough to live comfortably in the future
No, what is inevitable is the Incorporation of the human mind and anatomy with that of Mashine.
To prevent the enslavment of man with machine. It is required that we become part of it.
Its imortal directors and engineers
@@OP-01 Praise the Omnissiah.
Fascism wants to replace creativity with bots and make you work on what they want; post-scarce Communism wants to replace what society needs but is hard to do with automation, while you can pursue your creativity/hobbies. UBI doesn't work under capitalism as the tax-payer pays for itself; under communism the economic value comes from factories not to them.
I remember seeing a very aggressive meme, McDonald's employees demand a $15 minimum wage, their response, automated cashiers
McDonald's jobs used to be had by all young people, most still in school. If ones trying to raise a family working at McDonald's, GO TO A TRADE SCHOOL AND LEARN A TRADE.
Looks like capitalists need to be reminded that raising wages used to be the alternative to being killed by the workers.
@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg andcommunists/ socialists kill the innocent. Over 100 million in the last 100 years. How many is enough?
@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg Only the ignorant need to be reminded that Marxists are murderers.
@@kenbowser2943 You think communism and socialism is the same thing? Christ, how are you under every comment and being *this* ignorant so confidently.
It's official. TH-cam is burying your content. I didn't get a notification when this video went live. Keep up the great work regardless!
I got a notification though so maybe it’s not just youtube
I got a notification sooo...
Well, channels like China uncensored are having the same problems, so...
I have over 1000 channels subbed and yet this was the first to get on my notifications list. weird.
@@johnnydoe2672 same
Human fragility is a beautiful thing, and it is worth preserving! For fragile things are still thing’s.
Resilience is even more meaningless if it comes at cost of fragile things!
A lot of people say ‘well if AI replaces jobs just get jobs AI can’t replace’…
…uh, okay, what about when there’s an overload of people applying for those jobs? It won’t work.
Without people to buy what is produced, where would the "owners" get their income. It does no good to produce millions of something cheaply when there's no one to buy them.
The current "consumer economy" would stop and transition into "Automised Feudalism". With the rich living the super lifestyle while having Robotic peasents.
They wouldn't really need income. Their robots can make anything they want. At most, they will sell their goods to other rich people.
The interesting question is what do competitive psychopaths do after there are no poor people?
@@jasons5916 I doubt it'd end well for them, but that wouldn't really matter since the rest of us would already be gone.
@@Sparticulous I've never liked that about humanity, not that most people would be for it, but that there are some people who could find happiness in things that don't involve others being harmed, but they choose to harm others instead.
Well in this case even the lowest class the majority will be a millionaire by todays standards, especially with UBI which will probably be needed to stop social unrest. like how even a person on benefits has a better livelihood than the richest people 200 years ago. Also socialist economies have the same problem.
"They took our jobs!"
"They took ar jawbs?"
"Dey terk er jerbs."
"DETRKERBUR!"
DERKERDER
They broke his jaw
*turkey gobbling sounds*
DTKB
lol this is way too funny
The Soviet Union Planned economy only failed to be as advanced as the First World because they were too ahead of the time when they could have the means necessary to be efficient at this planning, like AI and automation to improve productivity and it's distribution along the population.
Actually no. Soviet Union was one step ahead of US in every field of technology until Stalin's death. It was the bastard Krushchev that ruined everything from education to applied science studies. Many educational researchers in today's Russia has defined the school syllabus during Stalin's as the best. Even better than the 21st century Russian school syllabus. Because the fundamental principles of middle school and high school hasn't changed dramatically.
And it was because of the stagnation in technological advances during Krushchev's era that lead to US winning the Chip race and Computer technology. And today's Russia has already become a joke in competing with US technologically.
What movies did you take these clips from? One looks like blade runner maybe? But it sounds like a futurist writer already figured out some of this with the amazingly relevant imagery you showed
i think a lot are from blade runner
when you mention reducing working hours under automation it feels like everything just clicked into place. Why didn't I think of that. Less work doesn't have to mean less employment, the employed can just work less and that's okay when we're not chasing after ever increasing profits
Right. like put it this way: Let's say we got a UBI implemented and it was $2, 000 a month. Now, if somebody worked a full-time job that they actually liked, let's say a nurse in a hospital. It is more possible now that the nurse can decide to work half-time because of monthly UBI and now they have more time for themselves and their family. And when they do go to work they have more energy and care to give to everybody.
If you can maintain the same standard of living (or get to up to a basic standard of living) with a UBI plus work that you enjoy, and share it with as many people as needed to make it run smoothly, everybody benefits (that is, assuming the work is sustainable, healthy work that benefit people and the planet).
We should all expect to work less but maintain a quality of life. We shouldn't be ashamed of wanting that. The super rich lifestyle, however, we should rightfully shame. It's gross and unsustainable. Billionaires aren't symbols of success they are symbols of violence. We need a value shift in society that recognizes that.
Funny how the markets never actually bring down the prices of necessities
Here's a huge problem with that. Most humans are greedy. So that if we only work 10 hours a week, there will be people who will then want to work 4 jobs In order to get more stuff. We are way richer on average than we were in the 1950s which we regard as a Golden age. If you have the house and the car that the average person had in the '50s you would be very unhappy today. Yes, we had one bread winner and then the wife stayed home and took care of the family etc etc etc but, we only had one car we had a small house we didn't have any electronics to speak of etc etc etc. So then under socialism what does the government do? Will it limit you to that small house? Will it limit you to that one car? Because what's really fair? So those people then willing to work more in order to get more will be unequal to their neighbors. In a communist country you can't have that type of inequality because that's the only thing your really selling, equal outcomes. So those are the people that you send to jail. That's exactly when the Communist country loses its soul, when it's people have lost their desire for hard work because they will get either punished for it or it gains them nothing.
I love the part about fixing potholes as your past time, he let leak some of the things that actually go on and come in this countries like not paying any attention to infrastructure.
@@balleraap007 please seek help, fear of the unknown seems to be clouding your judgment. If you are ready and able to be helped there are people or literature sources that can help you. Try looking into Dr. Martin Luther King's work with The Poor People's Campaign and some of his powerful speeches.
@@balleraap007 Fear is a natural emotion but if it overtakes your other emotions and you do not manage it, it can be detrimental. Seek help when you are ready to be helped. You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink.
As he said, "solutions" like universal basic income and healthcare will forever be in danger of rollbacks and undermining. Get every inch you can, but know that it will be in danger so long as the state ultimately works for the preservation of the owner class
@@Wiimeiser Haven't watched it yet, but from what I've seen or heard people talking about it, makes your words pretty spot on.
True, but ubi could also be useful in bit-by-bit leveraging us back onto course. If people en masse had the greater stability afforded to them by a simple no-strings monthly payment (which, I suppose I'm naive to assume it could ever be implemented no-strings), then it would be easier for them to start voting in their own interest. Imagine how it could shape politics if more than just the top 1% could afford to contribute to political campaigns.
I think one of the biggest issues as far captialism , their is this abundant need to enrich ones self by promotion or on the back of the worker by any means necessary for numbers . So much so that what happens is the worker gets trampled into the mud , their salary is stripped or doesn't move enough to make a real difference. While the people at the top who have done none of the hardwork , get the money and rich lifestyle off of someone else's backbreaking work. It is sickening that this has been allowed to continue for so many years and their hasn't been any real uprising about it.
@@lFAOT thats every form my man. not just capitalism. theres only two ways we get a 'fair' society. benevolent ruler/computer overlord. thats it. people are selfish and greedy so you can never trust them to 'make the world a better place'. they will always try to get an edge up on each other. it doesnt matter the form of government, there will always be people who backstab, cheat, steal thier way to the top unless there is an all powerful overseer to control them.
So the choice is freedom but basically every man for himself, or control but everyone is taken care of.
While the tension between workers and owners is a builtin issue with capitalism, there is an equally troubling and ignored enforcement issue under socialism, which is the reason stable non-hunter gatherer socialist governments use regulated capital markets to achieve socialist goals. Looking at the question a different way, the question becomes what system is functional when 10 to 15 percent of the population can produce and distribute all the goods for the whole world. The predictions for capitalism assumes a system with few workers and no profit motivation will oppress the whole population out of spite. The socialist prognostication have the same enforcement issues as before, but now are robbed of the self organizing markets. Because automation can remove pressures like work and physical need that have driven societies for centuries, the end state of society will probably not be based on systems made to deal with work and need like capitalism or socialism.
I'm surprised I haven't heard of this channel yet. Great job!
Really good video! The topics you touch on regarding the work force’s need to keep up the pace with technological advancements in a capitalist economy remind me of this book I’ve been reading by Philosopher Harmut Rosa : Beschleunigung und Entfremdung (“Acceleration and Alienation” for my non-German speaking friends.) Give it a read if this video made your noggin’ start turning :)
What does it speak about
Once technology catches up with policing, thats when it gets real scary. Imagine a top class not fearing the majority bottom class cause of drones protecting their wealth, while devouring all the resources and land, and scourge society.
and people still want gun control.... As long as people have guns that isnt a threat. millions with guns cant be stopped, but would a buisness hated by everyone like that really earn any profit..?
@@sansgaming7607 Millions of guns can't stop million of drones. You clearly don't understand drones. Read up on Afghani civilians experiences with drones. You can't fight them. You're dead before you know they're there. That's... fundamentally the value of drones. People can't fight them.
So to anyone who thinks they're gonna shoot drones down and protect themselves from the rich, you need to wake the fuck up, son, because NOPE.
@@AllfatherBlack The unstoppability of the drones was an illusion, they are effective, yes, but i believe at that point Afghani anti air systems were thoroughly crushed so air superiority was attained. also, even gigantic armies struggle with insurgent forces. In wooded places, they are much less effective, and i doubt any rich person would be able to get that powerful before a revolt. What makes you think your not on the rich peoples side? Often times, the rich control the gov, putting more power in the gov wont help the problem. Private drones and Gov drones are the same, but which one is more likely to get it?
@@sansgaming7607 Guns don't do much against robot tanks or military grade drones, and unlike humans robots are pretty easy to replace. Unless you can organize the support of most of the population without the wealthy knowing about it well in advance an armed population with anything short of military grade weapons isn't particularly likely to succeed in the scenario you are suggesting especially if the people with the weaponized robots aren't above systematically killing off the rest of the population. It isn't like civilians have access to a steady supply of RPG's and anti aircraft systems.
In a society where the unregulated ownership of weapons with that level of capability is common semi-regular domestic terrorist attacks on the scale of 9/11 are fairly probable at least until all the high value targets are destroyed. The bad guy with a gun almost always shoots first, and if he and a few of his buddies can buy a few fully armed surplus tanks and drive them into a city without getting the attention of authorities that can be one hell of a first strike.
@@sansgaming7607 if one or even all current companies were able to get rid of their workers they would, and they don't need a UBI because they'll just buy each others stuff and leave the starving masses to rot. once the companies don't need workers they'll go from focusing on mainly one product into being self sufficiency machines designed solely to make the few people who own them's lives better in any possible while completely disregarding everyone else's needs altogether, and if the masses revolt they'll have armies of robots to murder them all.
thinking about it, this is one way communism would arrive. all the poor people dead leaving just the rich to have children and then provide for those children where then everyone's needs are met by the means of production.
Read Marx’s Capital: like a third of the book is Marx quoting Adam Smith and voicing the same concerns. Even the “father” of capitalism knew it had to be heavily regulated to not spin out of control.
And even Smith believed that there should be social safety nets.
@@misterx6346 no he just wanted everything to let gone
So true! It amazes me how mainstream media bashes Marxism as an evil to the world as opposed to logical system
@@bloodwargaming3662 wrong. seems you should actually read his books. adam smith was very much spot on. the only problem smith had was thinking morality will turn capitalists around. well he was a moralphilosoph....so no wonder. adam smith is prob. the most misquoted guy on the planet. his invisible hand is the best example. he never meaned that capitalism will work wonderfully. he meaned that capitalism with humanity and morals as determining factor will provide like a invisible hand.
@@allstarmark12345 Because you guys are evil.
I am seeing something the Big Machine(s) Model may be missing. Little from the bottom up.
Like Personal Computers undercut the Main Frame Computer(s), and now Distributed Renewable Generation is undercutting the Central Plant -- little people, with little automation can undercut the Central Automation Capitalist(s).
As Marshall McLuhan is famously quoted as saying, “We shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us.” We must seize the moment and establish new tools, and new norms, for lasting institutional and cultural systems change now and for the century beyond. This concerns all corners of the world.
The only thing I would have added would be that time spent away from work could also be used to build more healthy families. Imagine parents that could spend time with their kids and were under less stress.
So you want to live for free
@@georgesappolon4627 weird way to say that you shove quarters up your urethra!
@@georgesappolon4627 have you watched the video bruh
@@Catthepunk I did and it’s a wonderful way of saying to work for society and not yourself and society will give you what it deems you need
@@georgesappolon4627 oh cool. I thought you was having a go at the idea
It seems to me the hardest thing to get people to understand is that we need each other. Pretty much every argument I've heard against socialism in its better forms is an argument in favor of individualism and exclusivity.
It's so difficult to get through their noggins that the things we enjoy come from hundreds or thousands of people working together. Unfortunately we've been thoroughly brainwashed into thinking that the only people who deserve a good life are the ones who happen to have more money.
This is true but the coordination through all of those people takes place through pricing. It has always proved impossible to coordinate pricing effectively from any central body - it has been tried in the USSR and China - so it makes sense to outsource that element of proceedings to the market. At least that's the best solution that has ever been achieved.
@@darthbrandon2149 I definitely agree with your take. The issue is less about hatred, and more that they believe hard work and elbow grease is what you need to succeed. Also the mainstream news media does a good job of portraying low income or middle class citizens struggling as simply being lazy and only wants handouts.
What causes pushback is that certain Americans believe that if your plan isn't 100% foolproof, then it's a bad plan. If you have a plan to enhance majority of people's lives BUT it's not gonna enhance 100% of the population then it's a non-starter for some reason. In my experience, I don't see any other alternatives. Anytime an idea is proposed that could enhance the collective, it's shut down for multiple reasons. But if you ask those Americans what's the alternative, it's either crickets or some phrase revolving around "just work hard and take individual responsibility".
@average thumbi, "we all need each other", to paraphrase.
Very nicely said!
We can't do much alone and we'd be very unhealthy.
Some people have tried, living in the wilderness. They die quickly and have barren lives.
We work well together.
And we need to talk and share emotions and problems or we get twisted up and die of depression.
It's very unhealthy to be alone, even in a crowd/city.
@@joblakelisbon yes, capitalism.
Because forcing it doesn't work.
Hmm, how can we have a system that works in a world where machines do most things and most people don't have jobs?
Or maybe we need to make machines and jobs better so that never happens?
What are your thoughts, people?
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I know that people get rich (from founding/running companies) because they provide things people need.
An employee working 16 hours a day, even, can still only provide 16 hours of work a day.
A company director can create a new industry, improve systems, employ 100s of 1000s of people, pay loads of tax.
But they're usually very good at avoiding tax.
On the other hand, running a company is risky and useful, so (good) governments give tax breaks to directors and also the companies to do their good stuff.
How can we improve?
One idea:
Maybe we need to improve the workers.
Put the improvements INTO THE WORKERS, so they do better, faster, more efficient, regulation-compliant, safer, more accurate, more profitable work.
Precedence:
This is exactly what happens with training and education.
And companies spend large amounts on those, plus even food and drink too.
Then the workers are free to move to other employers/retire/start their own organisations, without having to give back their improvements.
In the Ghost in the Shell anime universe, people are given robotic body parts by employers but those parts are owned by the employers!
So when the employment finishes, the workers/people are left without parts of their bodies!
Even their entire bodies: hence the name "ghost in the shell": human mind in a robot.
Dystopian!
Let's do the opposite of that!
At least, from an ownership point of view.
@@joblakelisbon
It is a non starter to begin the discussion with a bias thought process of capitalism.
I appreciate the information provided in these videos....but I can't be the only one wondering where the video footage comes from??
Royalty free stock footage. Also more like misinformation. This entire channel revolves around pretending to inform when he really doesn’t understand economy in the first place. This is just his way to make money, by misinforming people and using basic free footage
To be entirely realistic. It will most likely develop into a mix of both, depending on the industries and technologies available in the future. Poisonous interests and excess will not die and neither will advocacy so I suppose its a matter of balance especially since 'Utopia' is a pipe dream.
I've been thinking about automation a lot recently, as my job could be entirely replaced with ai software. I'm glad your making videos about this
@The Lonely Proto yea he never talked about this point
@The Lonely Proto if you are asking how people would afford things it's called UBI
@@ethangandy3031 or more realistically pruning off the population, the "useless" part of society, those who couldn't work. UBI implies that corporation would be willing to pay taxes when currently they pay millions in bribes so they could avoid paying taxes.
Last time I was this early, we were still in early-stage capitalism.
this is just ONE view of how it would turn out, and a very extreme one I should add.
I see at least one issue with UBI (Universal Basic Income). If everyone is guaranteed a certain amount of income, what stops businesses from just raising their prices? Businesses will charge whatever they can get away with and pricing seems like it would be a nightmare to regulate through legislation instead of supply and demand.
What is stopping them from raising their prices now, right? Inflation is peaking, luckily we have the federal reserve increasing the interest rates.
UBI won't stop competition and demand curves. Raising their prices too high will reduce sales and make them less competitive.
@@sagadabeans it will.. the money to the ubi must be from capitalists through taxation who will make sure they raise prices to get. Their money back.
Remember capitalists will work only until their wealth is increasing
So basically we have three options: Star Trek, Elysium, or The Matrix/The Terminator
We could end up in The Expanse
Alternative///ONESTATE
Or Futurama, with its suicide booths.
"You are now dead. Thank you for using Stop 'N Drop, America's favourite suicide booth since 2008."
Star Trek has the idea that there is a "superiority" in goal, and abandons even depicting the majority of people left in planets or dangerously built star bases. It prescribes that everyone wants the same thing, that is fascist ideology and based on the tenets of italian futurism. Matrix may be more viable in an overpopulated world as at least your world is how you want it, perhaps, unless you have no control over it. An AI generated random world just like AI images have no intricate visual connection with the person's deeper feelings, so a virtual world you can build everything to your specific design and wants would be much more preferential. But then, world-scale power would likely drive you crazy, too.
Cause of you I convinced people at my collage and even some in the local church that socialism isn’t all that bad and the government kinda sucks
i''ll take people over government any day. when capitalism, people can boycott products, forcing the capitalist to play fair. under socialism, only the government decides. believe me, i have seen enough to know government and big business are both in cahoots.
@@crashoppe You do realize that when everything is automated, and the working class are no longer able to buy products due to having no money after being replaced in every profession, the elite will just overturn everything, making "boycotting" a pointless activity in their new model of "society".
Socialism *is* people. Socialism entails a system where power is taken from elites, and delegated to actual, working people, who can decide amongst themselves how to run business; sort of like if everyone was a shareholder, since everyone lives in the society the business operates in, and therefore has a stake, and motivation to make it better.
Can someone with extreme allergies boycott Epipen? Can a ex construction worker who got hurt on the job and is now addicted to opiates boycott Oxycontin? The whole point of a democracy is that we the people are supposed to be protected from threats. That we are free to pursue happiness. You can't be free if you are being preyed upon. The government is corrupt because of perverse incentives to sell out the American people for money. But business is at its foundation corrupt, they exist only for money.
@@inkryption3386 A yes they will grow rich selling to the people with no money, HeY wAiT a MinUtE. But in all seriousness one reason capitalist countries usually have better standards of live is that the reduced costs of production mean things cost less, who would have thought, even in the nightmare scenario in the video where for some reason the politicians (you know the guys with the armies) decide to give up their democratically assured powers to a class of technocrats, and that doesn't immediately lead to a civil war to restore democracy, due to the low cost of everything even the lowest class will be living like millionaires today, Though yeah their will be more inequality as there will be a class of billionaire workers and trillionaire bosses.
@@inkryption3386 no, i dont realize that because i believe the elite and government (even socialism) are parts of the same machine. if socialism is as you describe why then is there an even greater distinction between the wealthy of socialist countries and its average citizen? the average citizen is very limited and the government and elite have it all and there is nearly no way possible for an average person to excel.
Another great one. Keep up the good work Second Thought
"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." - Dirty, artsy, hippy named Frank
For me, I know that if I received a UBI, I would be able to spend more time writing, painting, and volunteering. I feel like I'd be able to do more of what I love instead of working long days for the majority of my life when I know I could get the same amount of work done in less time than a normal work day. Here's to hoping for the good things that could come with automation!
I work with my hands and my brain. I'm not that easy to replace. Artificial General Intelligence is like fusion power- the power source of the future, and always will be
I understand what you're saying, for the most part I agree, but I think it's important to mention that capitalism by itself isn't evil, while lazze-fair capitalism is, the same with socialism vs communism. In a socially backed capitalist system we have the ability to vote with our wallets and ballots, monopolies strip this right away and use predatory pricing to out sell and buy out local businesses that can't compete. If we keep companies smaller that still allows for our freedoms and makes each worker more valuable without having to change much.
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It's not an issue of left or right wing, it is and always will be government overreach, misplaced power, and authoritarianism; The government getting involved in what it shouldn't, and never getting involved in what it should
No. Capitalism is bad. It is literally a system of anti-democratic business structures and resource management, that requires a permanent underclass, and a constant upward flow of wealth to incentivize... mostly sociopaths to play the game, with slavery being a big component of it from day 1 (and still is, make no mistake).
Capitalism is when the capitalist class owns the means of production. This means that in order to competitively engage in a craft or science, or skill or even just basic labor, you have to go through them and let them take most of the wealth your labor generates. It's also worth noting, monopolies are a direct product of capitalism, because a system that relies on competition will end up with whoever has the advantage beating down anyone who might have a chance of beating them.
Also, capitalism is part of the government like any other economic system. If you removed the govt from the equation it would just revert to feudalism as the corps will fill the power vaccuum and become fiefdoms. Government overreach in business is literally not a thing, because capitalism is part of the structure. It's like saying "these windows sure would do their job better without so much building holding them in place." Capitalism as a system is backed by govt law and force. It exists because the law makes it work by laying out the framework the economy operates in... And it constantly needs to be bailed out and resuscitated, cuz surprise! When you base a system entirely around rewarding self interest, it inherantly lacks stability, since those making bank don't care if others crash and burn.
It would really help if most people here even knew what capitalism and socialism actually are. (Not to mention the fact that shitty nations like the Soviet Union was are NOT socialist, and just used the aesthetic of it to sell State Capitalism (the govt owns the means of production. Like feudalism but more centralized.) while they crushed true socialist societies like Ukraine's Free Territory. Us on the Left call them tankies for a reason.)
Do you even realize that us actual socialists mainly want to implement workplace democracy and expand goveenmental systems to be more democratic as well? We are talking a system where there is no board or bosses. Where those that work in the company control the fate of the company and get a cut of the profits. Where the workers are partners in a business, not cogs, and are able to sell their skills and labor on their own terms, because they collectively get to set those terms. The policies, production, managerial staff, and benefits would be in the hands of the people it most directly affects. These systems exist. They've been tested to universally positive results for workers and the health and production of businesses alike. A few such businesses even exist right now in our capitalist hell in spite of banks hesitancy to loan to them due to their disruptive potential. They just need social and legal backing, and we can make them the default. In what universe is that even comparable to capitalism?
Worker of the world unite ✊
-PragerU
Workers.....assemble
@@BritishRepublicsn That's a socialist battle cry so if those fools are saying it, great. Let them.
Says the Fallout pfp
This was a straight and to the point informative essay on the paths we face, while being grokable for newcomers. Excellent work.
This was an ideologically charged propaganda video that did not attempt to explore both sides of the issue, but instead opted to look at it only through a marxist lens.
"capitalism bad, marxism good" can be used to summarise the whole 18 minute video.
@@yankochoynev652 Your ideologically charged propaganda comment can be summarized as "capitalism good, marxism bad". This video seems more about UBI to me.
@@nickpeterson8659 nowhere in my comment did I say capitalism is good, you are just putting words in my mouth.
UBI was mentioned in the video btw, and the guy said something to the effect of "ubi is kinda sorta ok, but not enough"
So your assessment of my comment and the video seem poor to me.
@@yankochoynev652 We all suffer through the hell of our own ignorance, and time is the fire in which we burn. If you wanted to help you would teach, or at least suggest some way to ease suffering. You though, scrolled though the comments of a video that you hate and found positive feedback so you shit on it. Find something you love, and share that with others. Those who define themselves by the things they hate, become hateful people. You're better than that, aren't you?
The workers need to govern the businesses themselves and be the sole deciders of how the surplus produced from their labor is spent. I would go further as to say the workers themselves should own all of the business on top of being the directors and there should be no more business owners.
Thank you for recommending "Four Futures," a great book!
As a start, people need to start thinking about 2 things: What is value in human society? And what is fulfilment in human existence?
These are fundamental questions that frames how we find meaning and define ourselves.
The basic premise we've been taught and inculcated with for the last couple of centuries is really one of self-reliance, and work as a way to contribute to the community that we're a part of, and hence receive/expect rewards/recognition. This is a powerful construct, and it has benefitted the development of human societies for several centuries. Granted, there've been gross misuse and exploitation of this idea in the form of slavery, feudalism, and the relentless driving down of wages/conditions under the capitalist interpretation of this model.
What we need is a transition from this centuries old paradigm, to one where the value of people is defined not by output or ROI, but by the betterment of society and community. Where fulfilment is not measured by how much money one makes, or the size of one's house/car, but by the number of people one helps/support to improve their lives/well-being.
Upon this new paradigm, the challenges of A.I. and Robotics become orthogonal to human development. Productivity of Automation ceases to become a contest with humans for speed-of-output or consistency of quality. Instead, A.I. supports human society and human actualization. Humans have a new set of goals and rewards to strive for. Inequality becomes less of a problem. UBI will have a role. As will a share of the returns from Automation. Consumption will not be the primary driver of revenue, as profits is oriented towards the strengthening of societies and human-bonds. This is not utopian. Utopianism is often a recipe for dysfunction. Rather, it shapes the world on a different path, based on different motivations, and values different outcomes.
"Where fulfilment is not measured by how much money one makes, or the size of one's house/car, but by the number of people one helps/support to improve their lives/well-being." No there is a novel concept! My own view is we need to ABOLISH THE STOCK MARKET and stop worshipping the rich and celebrating stupidity.
Notice that we report on the stock market results EVERY DAY in the news. It is a KEY figure for so many. How come we don't have a Happy Index? Others have proposed this, maybe it was Finland that was going to have such a number and the goal of government was to increase it. NOT THE STOCK MARKET
Good thoughts and points made. Humanity needs a new evolution. That is, to a society that values us not as commodities or consumers but as creative, worthy individuals. Automation could actually save us from environmental and life support system collapse, under the right system. We don't need a growing economy, we need de-growth and careful management of resources to meet basic human needs.
A UBI could be a very valuable tool in achieving that sort of society, but it shouldn't end there. We could more comfortably live in a Natural Law Resource Based Economy that goes beyond the need for any poverty, politics, war and money. Self-sufficient, localized, automated communities all over the world that are local direct democratic and uncontrolled by some big fat cat or their cronies.
People might think those places would go crazy if there wasn't heavy law enforcement or military, but I beg to differ. Give people their basic needs without the requirement of labor, but then provide people many meaningful opportunities to contribute to society in areas like art, science, healthcare, exercise, education, engineering, programming, gardening, etc. and see how many people are much happier and healthier.
@@coolioso808 there is a distinct lack of dicussion and discourse outside of niche communities/groups on alternatives to a capitalistic, profit-motive construct. Indeed, one cannot underestimate the entrenched mindset among most of the developed world to this sort of societal design. Alternative voices are fringe and marginalized, in the face of bigger paychecks, higher profits, more bonuses, dividends, tax-breaks. We end up fighting the very people that we're pushing a better future for.
It has to start with education and philosophy. More young people need to explore ideas of what human society should be like. ANd these cannot just be in philosophy or social-science majors, but in Engineering ,in Physics, Chemistry, Biology, in Computer Science, in Robotics, in economics, in journalism, and many more. We need a new school of thought to build a new movement. It has to transcend national borders, yet organic and local. Maybe then, there'll be a chance.
@@williamc9578 More excellent points. I totally agree. Active education and philosophical discussion are crucial and then a focus on youth being more involved in this sort of thinking is very important. There is an old saying that "youth is wasted on the young," and that's a more cynical look. I can see that side, but I also see many youth who are eager, willing and able to expand their minds and grow in ways that would improve themselves and their communities. That's the sort of work I hope to do more of.
We can all do our part, and any and all conversations that lead more people to think about and even act on socio-economic system redesign away from this unsustainable capitalist mess, is a good thing.
For this we need humans that strive to help each other and not exploit each other.
I can't wait to establish a society based on humanity and compassion.
But we can't be solely driven on those ideals. Extremism is generally what tears societies apart, ours included.
Those ideals are just ideal as a friction less surface in physics problem
Welcome to Distributism
Can't wait to buy my bread with my compassion.
Enjoy your vitamin and mineral depleted heavily processed carcinogen GMO foods. Nothing is holier than profits. @@mihapetek3418
Are there videos on how we begin a better future for all, within the suicidal systems we’re currently ruled by?
The main problem is who owns the robots?
If the world is a village of 5 people, one person invents 5 robots to do all the work.
Under classical property rights, now all the people in the village are in debt to the one guy who made the robot.
Furthermore the debt increases the more the robots work.
Furthermore the one guy is King and didn't let the other 4 people choose whether to allow their jobs to be replaced with robots under such an unfair system.
In a just world they could say "Ok we'll let you replace our jobs with robots providing this doesn't make us indebted to you. Otherwise we'd rather work but be our own masters."
Not in this world.
Great collaboration - 1Dime is fantastic!
Widespread automation will likely spell the end of global capitalism as a result of the falling rate of profit it gives rise to. Value is created by expending human labour-power. If human labour is no longer needed to produce, capitalists will no longer be able to realise the same high rates of profits, diminishing year-on-year in proportion with the spread of automation. Thus, we have a downward trend of boom-and-bust cycles that causes the rate of profit to fall until the entire system eventually becomes unsustainable and collapses in on itself.
Our job is to make sure to have a socialist infrastructure in place for such a time so that when the collapse happens, the means of production, distribution and exchange can be handed over to organised working people and managed collectively in the interest of the common good.
Keep up the great work! ✊🚩
Nah, fam, anarcho-primitivism would be the way to go
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Thanks, Paul! Excited to watch your new episode!
One of my first jobs here in US was at a chocolate factory, it was a small factory and wasn't very developed and as a result many operations that could be done by the machine we had to do it ourselves, it was a nightmare working there because I had to do a very physical and repetitive work just because the owner didn't want to invest in a bigger more advanced machinery, a more automated one.
I'm mid-video and what's going in my head is this: if only the very few rich people have money, who will buy the products and services done by these machines? It's another thing that points heavily in the direction of "money is useless. We only believe it has value because everyone believes it has value. But it isn't. Money doesn't have value. It isn't a real thing. It isn't tangible. When you hold food in your hands, you know you're holding something real. When someone mows your lawn, that is a real service. But money? Money is useless."
And some may say "why not the gold standard?" well, gold can be used in products and machines to make them work, and gold is pretty, but it's also useless as currency. It's still way better than what we're using now, but it's still not right.
I would like to see a similar video about immortality achieved with science, what it will be like to have access to these biological technologies under capitalism vs socialism. And what are its social and financial implications?
I imagine youd need UBI just to have children. Right now it's a faraway dream to have a child and actually have the means to take care of them.
Right now they are trying to be like "we'll give you up to $300 a month per child!! Now will you make us more work slaves. That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of actually having security for children when we've been priced out of ever owning homes
@@cosmicllama6910 300$ is a lot. I earn that much in a month.
Despite the cost of living, it's still quite popular.
@@MrPrankmastergeneral People having children are spewing toxins into the air and dumping radioactive material into the Florida Everglades? I'm doing that? It's not Microsoft's manufacturing partners? It's me?
Too many people dismiss socalisim as an evil ideology I’m commenting for the algorithm so even if people don’t agree with it they should se this
Same
Lol. And that's why I troll right-wing unwittingly authoritarian fascist scum comments in the TH-cam space.... For the algorithm and a balance.
Maybe I'm going about it wrong but it's also entertaining. 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I know, I don't understand how people can't wrap their heads around the fact that socialism is our only saving grace! Oh wait, it was the other way around, I don't understand how commies can't take their red blindfold off and see all the disasters that socialists/communists have caused.
@TheDrewSaga Well I'm rather pleased with my life in a capitalist country and I'm hopeful for the future. If commies were to be able to take over, I would be terrified and wouldn't enjoy the certain bloodshed and misery that would follow.
@TheDrewSaga i know i know.. But it's kinda a release too lol
Sorry if you've already done a video on this, but would you be willing to do a comparison on privatized banking versus decentralized currency in a capitalist and a socialist economy. I think it would be an interesting comparison
I noticed that some of the film clips are from the 1984 movie "Nineteen Eighty-Four."
You Inspired me to start a socialist movement at my school. Keep up the work!!
How his that working out
That’s great to hear! I hope it’s going well
Best of luck to you comrade!
@@toborer7895 well yea lmao
@UCrnLgJW4QkWktDqu_S50MkA sounds like a typical school system, hope your socialist movement continues to grow stronger!