The Growing Threat Of Christian Nationalism
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- It's been called "the greatest threat to religious freedom" in the country's history. We have elected officials openly calling themselves christian nationalists. So...what exactly is it?
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-Taking Back America for God by Andrew L. Whitehead and Samuel L. Perry
-“America is a Christian Nation” sermon by Pastor Robert Jeffress • America is a Christian...
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-”Christian Nationalism is the Single Biggest Threat to America’s Religious Freedom”
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-”Christian Nationalism: Heresy or Hype?” by The Gospel Coalition www.thegospelcoalition.org/po...
-Timothy Keller on Christian Nationalism quarterly.gospelinlife.com/bo...
-Russell Moore on Christian Nationalism www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...
-”What Really Happens When Americans Stop Going to Church” by Daniel K. Williams (The Atlantic) www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arc...
-”Christian Nationalism, Christian Globalism, and White Americans” by David A. Hollinger press.princeton.edu/ideas/chr...
-The Doctrine of Discovery www.gilderlehrman.org/history...
-”Here’s where Christian Nationalism comes from, and what it gets wrong” by Ryan Sanders
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Christianity is a death cult. You cannot be a follower of Jesus Christ and also be a Christian.
Your making amazing videos.
religion should be part of the state to be a religious center like the vatican or mecca, everywhere else is mixed and should not have hard line borders of religion otherwise there be another ireland split into two nations.
@@martinsto8190thank you for the balance
@@martinsto8190 The American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
It's so weird how some people picture Jesus as a capitalist-loving white American. I mean, he was literally a Palestinian.
If he was born today in the same place he was born 2k years ago, he would be born a Palestinian.
EDIT: To all the smooth brains commenting “He wuz a Jew”, I never said he wasn’t. Palestine isn’t a religion, it is a region of the world that has been documented atleast 500 years before Jesus was born. And furthermore, you are completely missing the point, but that’s to be expected from those that believe in the nonsense that is organized religion, that the fairy tale they’ve been told is completely true and correct and can’t be questioned
Jesus was obviously a multi billionaire who brought jobs and “prosperity” to everyone as he built his fortune 🤣
Not to mention the Bible comes across as more socialist than anything (not to say everything in the Bible is great, of course)
@@Basil891 trying to explain that to my conservative grandparents is like talking to a brick wall lol
@@logans3365 Oh I bet
And he was also fairly socialist in practice
Back when i was a Christian long ago, one of my pastors said "if you force Christianity on people, they just end up faking it. And faking your love for god is no better than not loving him at all". More Christians need to hear this
This assumes that no Christian is faking it. I disagree--with the definition of "faking it" to include fear of eternal punishment compelling folks, even at a subconscious level, to be less uncomfortable with cognitive dissonance than with eternal damnation.
The remainder are largely products of their given worldview.
So once was I.
Bingo
@west221b I'm a Christian and i always here about this fear of eternal punishment. Can you please explain what you mean by fear? And eternal punishment?
This is backed by history. Whenever a religion has been forced or strongly encouraged, people will fake it.
It happened in America, one part of the 13 colonies forced their beliefs onto others. So, people just did what they had to in order to survive. Putting on false religious piety.
I am firmly against forcing religious beliefs onto others.
Nope. Fake it to you make it
I had a Christian county judge literally remove my first amendment rights. It’s the first time it’s ever happened in a civil court. I appealed it and won, but it still cost me a fortune.
How they remove your right?
A judge gave me an order that said “you are not allowed to talk about religion”. He also removed my legal custody of my daughter from me for no reason. I got both back when I appealed but it took a year and cost me all my savings.
@@koryeasterday5164 hmmm that’s weird. Is there something I can look up to check out the details?
@@ernestorodriguez456you might have to log in to read the full article.
@@ernestorodriguez456aka fact check you cause I doubt most things I see. Lol
When Church and State are mixed, it ruins BOTH of them.
False. Every government that doesn’t bow to God is doomed to fail and dwell in degeneracy
@@bjehulkYou haven't proven a god exists religitard. Consider dropping your religious delusions throwing out your faith and replacing it with knowledge.
CHURCH AND STATE IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THAT IS A FACT
@@stevenmcdonough7772 No, state-sponsored churches are explicitly not permitted in the Constitution for a very good reason. If you are in an Abrahamic religion, then you exclude either Christians and Jews, Jews and Muslims, or Christians and Muslims. And/or any other groups that worship the God of Abraham. Even if you were to restrict it to Christianity (however you understand it), which denomination to use? Evangelicals are fighting for THEIR denomination, to the potential exclusion of Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbyterians, Episcopals, 7th day adventists, Baptists, Methodists, and even these can be divided by sect, as many of these have splintered multiple times.
Post nose
Eastern Europeans watching an American Pastor say their country was founded by orthodox christians:
Iconoclasts larping soo hard to be like the church fathers
He's not talking about the denomination. Most denominations think they are the bastions of orthodoxy.
American Protestants have no idea that “Orthodoxy” is a denomination.
When the vast majority of the first European Christians in America were protestants wanting to /escape/ the grip of the (in their time) orthodox church. Catholicism and the Church of England.
@@alephmale3171 because it isn't. The whole thing about orthodoxy was hotly debated up to the nicean council in early Christian history. Ever since, the Catholic Church claimed orthodoxy and was backed by the then crumbling roman empire. Other local churches decided that their version of Christianity was orthodox, and called their denomination such. Since then most protestant movements have been as a result of someone deciding that the current established tradition was not orthodox when compared to the bible. Orthodoxy implies purity of faith. It's not a specific denomination although there are denominations with orthodox in their name.
Sure let's put some biblical laws into play. Let's limit interest rates. Let's forgive debt- ALL DEBT after a period of time. Let's enforce taxes. Let's feed the hungry and heal the sick.
Also, no shellfish. I don't like how it tastes. Mixed fabrics, gotta go.
@@icantcomeupwithnames469 Christian nationalists are as likely to ban shellfish as they are to ban Usury.
@@icantcomeupwithnames469christianity abolished those
Based Biblical Economics
@@saturationstation1446 the New Testament is, low key, pretty chill. Despite saying he doesn't intend to supercede the words of the Old Testament he gives a lot of very explicit instructions that make it clear ideas such as hate and persecution are wrong.
"There I was - the only white guy in the Middle East..."
--Jesus giving a sermon
Imagine him wearing a white turban
so many people genuinely think this lmaoo
"Barbeque sauce on my titties..."
😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂 omg this observation 🏆
Oh my gosh, as a believer, I thank you so much for this video. You put it much better than I could. I will certainly be sharing this with so many people. The difference between people flying the Chrisitan banner, and what we actually believe has been a thorn in my side for some time now.
Who made you the authority on what Christians "actually" believe?
@@lucyferos205 Good point, don't take my word for it, I am a random Internet guy. If you want to know what we really believe, read Catholic cannon and church doctrine.
The creator of this video is an obvious antichristian anticonstitutional socialist. He doesn’t give a damn about Christ. Don’t believe his lies.
@@lucyferos205Christians actually believe the whole Bible. Simple as that.
@@GenericTH-camGuy no mixed fabrics for them, i guess.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in Old Glory and waving a cross" - Upton Sinclair
News flash america was founded in fascism - you all stole this land through genocide based on race and the bible.
@@AuntyKsTarot that's a dishonest over-simplification.
@@SonsOfLorgar ok colonizer. Go tell yourself some other fairytales.
Colonized past victimized mindset? Wake up and stop living in the past…
@AuntyKsTarot You're the one living in a fairytale he never said that. And it's not from "it can't happen here" I read the book something you didn't.
"America was founded by Orthodox Christians"
Russians, Greeks, Georgians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs: *O____O*
Yeah, he has no idea what he’s talking about lol
Plus Coptics, Armenians, Ethiopians and it’s northeastern neighbor, and a small portion of Arabs who strongly refused convert to Islam, since it’s existence spread to their areas.
Evangelicals use orthodox as old doctrine, opposed by the liberal doctrine. Weird naming, but what can you expect
Yeah at the end of the day everyone is balkan
@@calebashby4508 based
I am not a Christian myself but I live in an area where Christianity is very influential. There are many Christians that I have met that are absolutely amazing people: kind, generous, and humble, like the Bible says to be. I’m saying this because you made a very interesting point on how Christian Nationalists are often not genuinely Christian (do not go to church regularly, read the Bible, etc.). I have met many of these people in my town as well and it is very true that they just pick and choose aspects of Christianity to support their bigotry, fully excluding the multiple passages in the Bible that contradict their statements. Many of them do not even go to church. There are exceptions, but in MY experience, true Christians are more likely to be sensible and good people in a general sense.
so effectively, you support weak christians because it helps your position as an atheist
I’m homophobic
They are generally more sensible than who? In my experience, religious people are more judgemental and say things, like "in general...".
@@Robert-do7gw@Robert-do7gw The difference between a Godless Liberal and a Christian Conservative is that Conservatives grow up judging themselves, trying to do good, failing at times, but learning to become model citizens. Liberals are told how wonderful they are and that everything wrong is because of injustices and racism. They grow to judge everything... the proof is the Liberal Communist Activists running through the streets, toppling statues and burning churches and the flag... The Left are the ones who are Narcissistic, Self-Righteous, and Nihilistic and the ones who are insanely judgemental.
There are true Christians but the Orange Jesus Christians are louder and a big part of the Repug party.
Christian Nationalism was my upbringing. I was constantly indoctrinated with the message that liberals were just blurring or avoiding the truth of our founding and that they would eventually win and America would become a hell-scape and Christianity would be pushed underground (all Christianity... since America was the last bastion of Christianity in the world). I learned this at my private Christian high school, my church, the Christian radio stations I was allowed to listen to and the Christian films I was allowed to watch. As a teen, I would often wish that the "founding fathers" had just been more explicit in their documents; and that if I had a time machine I'd go back and tell them that they needed to include a clearer message of our Christian foundation in the Constitution, etc. It was much later that I finally realized that they hadn't included such language because they didn't believe it.
@@sentinelUSA05some letters tell a different story.
@@sentinelUSA05 Benjamin Franklin's letter specifically talk of the importance of separating religion from the state. So his teacher is wrong about the founding farthers wanting religion to be mixed with the state.
@@sentinelUSA05 Without the Christian foundation you have no idea how wretched humanity will become ....but I suspect you will.
Well the “liberals” you speak of growing up are doing that currently and more so in Europe, no?
@@sentinelUSA05 lmao on what basis is that true? cite your sources pls
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
People (especially the simple minded) don't like to admit that they were tricked. It's an ego defense mechanism.
Isn't it terrifying that millions cling to Trump's every word while being ignorant of the benign brilliance of Carl Sagan?
"To trick someone is easy, you simply overcome their intellect. Convincing someone they have been tricked is hard, it requires overcoming their pride."
This quote almost makes me weep. The void left by ignorance (especially the ignorance engendered by our "state-sanctioned" decimation of education) has been the breeding ground for the most vile, ignorant and destructive aspects of our contemporary culture and civic nation.
omg he actually said bamboozle 😭
99% of these Christian nationalists criticize other countries for doing the same thing but just with a slightly different religion. It’s so ridiculous in too many ways to list. It’s just scary as a whole. How is this a debate in 2023 almost 2024
Mental health decay
It's a result of people experiencing the consequences of late-stage Capitalism, and blaming them on the wrong things.
The "Protestant work ethic" is deeply ingrained in U.S culture. The work = worth idea has thrived largely because of that.
People just couldn't hold their nose and vote for Hillary in 2016. Now we're stuck with this for probably the rest of our lives.
@@Zosio If any one sect has kept the outdated Protestant Work Ethic alive, it's Calvinism. That's the one that preaches that, if someone's well-off and in good health, it's a sign that God has preselected them for salvation, and thus deserve rewards, and that the victims of poverty and chronic sickness need to be punished for having God reject them before they were born. Few theological ideas are as sick and disgusting as that.
The world view of fascists is predicated on a tiered view of morality where when the fascist in-group does it, it is righteous and when the out-group does it, it is horrible. Literally they think it is their moral obligation to have a double standard. Where loyalty and power is the goal not moral consistency.
I am a Ghanaian. My Leadership 3 course introduced me to Western/American ideologies around Economics and social matters. I find this channel helpful in understanding certain things. Thanks for doing this.
So are you studying this in Ghana or are you here in the states? If you are over here, welcome.
@@nickwarner8158 . . NO. . .he needs to stay in Ghana. The West is done with more non-whites that continue to bash and change White Western Nations. Let those non-white countries open up their borders to all colors and creeds from all around the world.
It’s worth remembering that many religions who consider themselves to be Christian are not considered Christian by evangelical protestants including Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Christian scientists, Seventh-day Adventist, to name just a few.
Man, just seeing this title reminded me of my birthday a couple years ago.
Mom was screaming at me because I wouldn't support Trump, I told her that I had to question his motives and intentions because 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god'. Told her that I found idolatry focused on Trump and America to be deeply disturbing.
Then she shouted at me that questioning capitalism was the *real* idolatry.
I have not been more depressed and/or confused before or since.
Damn, yeah wonder why The Dude was a Socialist with the 5k fed with a few fish and some bread instead of CHARGING everyone who ate.
Time to fight back. That woman isn't your mum anymore, just another enemy of Christ.
I’m so sorry your birthday experience was so frustrating and heartbreaking. You have lots of support from more reasonable people who are in more population in this country. Hang in there. 🫂
You're not confused. You're seeing the situation clearly.
Your mom's response about questioning capitalism being idolatry is a clear indication that she worships money, just like Trump.
Here's the appropriate Bible passage to quote back at her:
Matthew 6:24, NIV: “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
Ask her about "serving God or serving mammon"
And Ms. Bobert would know, being such a shining example of Christianity herself.
Well she IS a handy xtian...
@@bobbafett1849 Nice use of x, no sarcasm.
The ongoing war between MTG and Boebert is hysterical. Yesterday in a rage filled tweet after her bill to label Rashida Tlaib a terrorist failed, MTG referenced "vaping groping Lauren Boebert". I am hoping for a good old fashioned duel.
Bobert is certainly a Christian who thinks her status as, “saved” makes her bulletproof against criticism or a need for self-examination and potential behavioral adjustments.😢😳😤
Laurn Bobert isn't a person she is 4 thots in a Christian trench coat...
"Separation of Church and State is nowhete in the Constitution!"
My sister in Christ -- it is literally the first line.
Freedom of faith
Doesnt equal separation of church and state
@@IndianaJonesTDH 'Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
-- Constitution of the United States of America
www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transcript#:~:text=Bill%20of%20Rights.%22-,Amendment%20I,for%20a%20redress%20of%20grievances.
@@IndianaJonesTDHFreedom of religion, that no one religion be dictated upon you or any religious group dictate its values upon the government. Unanimously America’s founding fathers voted to have no official religion, and they fully supported having a separation of church and state. What do you not get about that?
@@BickyNuckley thats not even what secularism is nor what Jefferson wrote about in his letter.
People of faith can influence kf state there values ect its there right. State cant meddle in church affairs thats what secularism is
Apperantly people dont understand there history
@@IndianaJonesTDH “Secularism: The separation of religion from civil affairs and the state” Not too sure what you’re not understanding, but religious folk such as yourself do like to twist words to mean what you want them to mean so I don’t blame you. But I am always willing to turn the other cheek to dishonest people such as yourself. Religion has no place in state or governmental affairs. I bet you also approve of the bill that Oklahoma representatives are trying to pass to put the Ten Commandments up in school classrooms.
As a practicing Christian myself, I’m embarrassed for the state that our country is in, like they think trump is bigger and better than Jesus? WTH that doesn’t make any sense to me, and I think that’s a disgusting perversion of the faith itself.
nobody thinks that, it was media spinning.
@@Z0R0zeeneethere’s definitely diehard trump fans that worship him the same way people worship dieties
@@Z0R0zeeneenot true
I find it upsetting when they say that Trump is annointed by God or the chosen one to be president and that Biden stole that from him. Um, is God so weak that man can steal an election from him? Either the "prophets" are not speaking for God or God is weak. God is certainly not weak, therefore these new "prophets" are lying for their own gain.
@@Z0R0zeeneeWhere have you been??? People literally say he is chosen by god.
16:26 "the god of christian nationalism is'nt so much the Abrahamic god, the god it's America"
Very well said.
Being a Christian and a Veteran, I got a bit defensive during the Trump years when one of the (I believe) Mayors or Governors started their term with a Satanic chant or something... It's been a while.
But I replied a lot with "Freedom of religion" and there were a few who actually agreed.
Just ranting, a little sick, winter, ugh.
☕🥶🇺🇸
How do you explain Spain, Italy, France or Poland who have growing Christian nationals... Such a stupid comment really 😂
The god of "Christian" nationalism is Donald Trump. It's just white nationalism masquerading as a religion.
Read Moses and compare he is Trump.
The treatment of native Americans and the land grab was any thing but Christ like.
Christians still say it was a good thing when you bring it up
@@setsen337I don’t 🫤. Well I ain’t Protestant, I’m Orthodox Christian ☦️
But they were Godless heathens was the battlecry back then.
It sickens me that my Fairweather Ultra-Catholic father believed that argument and was way too into the Indian Wars of Post-Civil War Murrica...
Christian fundamentalism is how humanity becomes the boogeyman in Warhammer 40K.
I love this idea of "Thats not how our founding fathers intended" is so obviously maliciously coded and repeated that it relies on no one actually bothering to read the bill of rights itself or the history.
Its even fucking stated that there would be a separation of Church and state, by the fucking founders themselves. This is at best absolute ignorance and at worse willful gaslighting/rewriting of history.
it was talking about the federal government many individual states have had state religions
This is the first time in my life I have heard someone else mention homeschooling as one of the reasons our collective intelligence has been dumbed down and susceptible to hard-right thinking. I feel vindicated. Thank you.
Why is people more concerned about homeschooling instead of “Drag teachers” being left alone with your kids?
@@pabloalonso5827Because homeschooling gives your parents the right to inject any beliefs they have into you, including pro-Capitalist Christianity. At least the drag queens let them see what the world's becoming. Stop trying to inject your "woke panic" into this
@@pabloalonso5827 People who shout about drag queens being around kids are probably closet paedos themselves. Time for self-reflection, Pablo.
I would argue that the near complete lack of quality control in public schools is the downfall of human intelligence nowadays.
@@ultrazombieYT The lack of quality control is even lower in homeschooling. And more religiously-geared.
The first boyfriend I ever had, a devout 16 year old Christian, told me that he was Republican because that’s what the founding fathers of this great country were. He had no awareness that the Republican Party didn’t exist in 1776 and that this was not intended to be a christian nation.
Most Americans can't even describe what "Republican" means outside of the general context of U.S. politics, which is just grossly misrepresentative of every word it appropriates.
@@Matthew.E.Kelly. I'm starting to doubt that very many United Staters can remember anything before the '000 and '004 elections.
Better than a liberal athiest nation.
The first few presidents in fact were independent and we're not specified under a party
@@WoodlandSocialistthey were bourgeoise liberal capitalists. All of the parties of American history spring from that central philosophical doctrine & class alignment.
As an atheist, I hope for peace and tolerance, where the government is not biased towards any religion. So that way no one is persecuted or excluded for religious belief
While I agree, the thing about people is that if they don’t have one of “their people “ in power they feel oppressed.
@@sethevans5318 Name one open atheist that has held office in the US. Hint there has only been ONE in congress.
@@sethevans5318 Atheists are the most marginalized religious demographic in the world.
That will never happen in America. We would have to want to have equality and liberty for all.
@@the_algorithm
We don't know because you have to say your christian to get elected but that does not make you a Christian always
Grew up homeschooling in East Texas in the 1980s...so sad to know that the culture I grew up with is such a destructive force.
Its like people have literally forgotten why America was built in the first place... Our founding fathers would be so ashamed.
Where it’s at is in no better shape with the liberalism we live in now
This is why the American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
Beautiful post. Thank you.
@@diyac9554 You welcome....
Contrary to popular American folklore, the founding fathers DID NOT BELIEVE in the Bible, DID NOT IDENTIFY as Christian & DID NOT CREATE a government based on those values.
In fact, most had an extremely obvious & palpable dislike of it. Just look at the laws they passed, treaties they ratified, the letters they exchanged & the books they published; written, edited & published by the Founding Fathers, themselves.
Publications like, *Age of Reason* or *Reason: The Only Oracle of Man* or *The Jefferson Bible* are good introductions. They are all damning critiques of Christianity.
_"I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism make me one."_
*-Ethan Allen - Reason the Only Oracle of Man*
_"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."_
*- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)*
_“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”_
*-Thomas Jefferson - in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813*
_"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."_
*- Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanack)
_“Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies.”_
*- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)*
_“Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”_
*-Letter John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817*
_“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”_
*-James Madison - Letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774*
_"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”_
*-James Madison, Ibid, 1785* (American statesman, diplomat, Founding Father, 4th president of the United States)
_"I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”_
*-George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789*
_"In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”_
*-George Washington - letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 17*
As a christian I don't care about what alcoholic genocidal slave owning rapists said about my God 250 years ago
@@xjarheadjohnson They forgot to codify this separation. Oops.
... also, once ratified by the senate, treaties become law on the same level as the constitution itself.
As someone who's grown up in Dallas for over 30 years, the majority of us and the younger generation are chill and liberal... And think these evangelicals are wackos.
- they're liberal
That's the problem tovarish, no petty borgeuoise allowed here 🚩🌾🛠⚒️🌾🚩
Just remember the Boomers used to be acid-dropping anti-war leftists. Then they all voted for Reagan one day.
@@pao5567calm down and don’t be so obnoxious. They’ll get more leftist as they age, that’s the current trend with gen z and millennials.
@@Bonaboo even some Gen X.
I grew up I. Waxahatchie. I left Texas for New York. My family was terrible and I don't regret leaving
Proud to be a long-time Patreon supporter. So happy to see how far you’ve come. You’re doing great work, and I’m super happy for you man.
God speed comrade ❤
Thank you so much after graduating college I left the states for Japan and 85. You really helped me understand what I would’ve thought was Unfathomable, impossible in the United States. Near is a group the first time I heard about homeschooling was in the early 2000s. Thank you
As a Catholic, I never like that Catholic nationalism stuff. I personally just leave people who aren’t Christian alone and some of non Christian’s I talked to are pretty chill. Thanks for bringing this up I hate the people who put religion and hatred over Jesus
The American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
Even that’s sentiment is nutso. I talked to some non Christian’s who were chill. Like what
Here’s a deep dark secret they don’t like to talk about: Leftist Catholics. Go look up the Catholic Worker Movement and Dorothy Day. There are other iterations of Leftist religious ideology. Don’t concede anything to the right wing. For every right wing claim to Jesus, there are two from the left and CAN BE backed by scripture.
@@greenburg2276right? Lmao
@@Projoloreligion= bs.
As a Christian, I absolutely HATE how co-optible the religion is. “Everyone can join” is a wonderful and beauty sentiment, but also a PRIME idea for capitalist and even supremacist movements😪 anybody who advocates for the abuse of others in any way shouldn’t even get to call themselves Christian
The trouble with religion is it's a rejection of reason and an appeal to emotion. That opens the to door to just about anything. There are many wonderful Christians out there but I think they're wonderful people regardless of their faith. I do think Christianity would be far better off if it was only the Gospels. The Old Testament is a trojan horse for bad ideas and the justification of hatred and bigotry.
Separation of church and state was meant to protect the religion. A lot of atheists wont admit that religion as actually good for society (at least the peaceful ones). The problem is when you mix politics in with it.
@@BlueSpartanus What do you mean "the peaceful ones"?
Yeah, what about "Love thy neighbor" did they forget about Jesus's main teaching
@@BlueSpartanus religion is politics, or at least it is a social construct used to organize and unite certain people under a belief, a belief they used to explain things that before they could not explain. Religion, philosophy and politics are social constructs that are very much intertwined to form a society. I think that religion does not deserve to exist until we expressly prove that there is some scientific reason for it, especially since now we have explanations for things other civilizations didn't have then and thus this skews my view and beliefs, I'm agnostic so take this with a grain of salt because my views are as everyone's are: Very Biased.
As a post-evangelical Christian, I deeply appreciate the way you've handled this topic throughout the video. Not that I'm surprised; I follow this channel because that's par for the course here.
"America was founded by Orthodox Christians."
Me, an Orthodox Christian: O_O
Always fascinated by the idea that the Earth took so much effort to create that the process made an all powerful being have to rest after it’s construction
And yet so many evangelicals think there’s nothing disrespectful to God if we trash the planet he exhaustingly made for us.
I'm a Christian who grew up in a Christian Nationalist household. I can explain.
They want the apocalypse to happen. Their goal isn't to save the world or even to gain more followers to Christ, their goal is to end it. By doing so, the Seven Seals will be broken, the Rapture will happen, and everyone who doesn't agree with them or fit into their idea of what is moral and normal will be damned to eternal torment in hell.
Yeah, but the entire rest of the universe in under a day, no sweat. Pretty nonsense book tbh.
By my understanding of the verses in question, it’s not that He needed to rest; rather, He chose to rest in order to set an example for us- that after doing good work, it is right and good to take time to rest and observe the fruits of our labor.
But your point stands- He looked at what He had created “and it was very good.” We’ve already brought a curse upon this world through our sin, let’s not destroy it any further. We are to exercise dominion over the earth, but as it belongs to God we are effectively its stewards. As such, we must take good care of the world and everything in it.
@@thecrazycapmasterHe?
how could he do something if he doesn't exist? @@thecrazycapmaster
Something interesting about the Handmaid's tale books is that the author, in order to avoid being accused of having a dark or twisted imagination, has only written about scenarios that have actually taken place somewhere in the world. Everything in those books, is not only a possible reality, but was at one time, somewhere in the world.
😂 No it did not happen. Show me the country where a wife held another woman as she was raped by the dad.
Handmade tale is a leftist wet dream of what they think conservative Christians actually believe. Its so over the top and absurd and is downright cringe many times.
Its entertainment for idiots who dream of "saving" people from religion and all its made up horrors. Garbage
Citation needed
The author of The Handmaids Tale has not been quiet about stating that she based it on how women had been actually treated in some societies.
It's not even "somewhere in the world." Enslaved black women were the first handmaids, except it was much more brutal and horrific.
@@dancingnatureMuslim world
As a Christian the Spirit has taken away all desire to see sin in other people (or to judge them) the and replaced it with a desire to see them through the love of Christ. It’s all about the love of Jesus and has literally _nothing_ to do with politics or government. The desire to share the gospel isn’t a “You’re going to hell!” thing, it’s a “You can have heaven on earth right now through the gift of Jesus Christ” thing. There is no hierarchy in Christ, no-one is more righteous than anyone else as righteousness is a gift thats accepted not a badge that’s earned.
I live in Italy, specifically in one of the areas that were previously controlled by the fucking Papal States, and some of the things these people said genuinely gave me chills. There are even more wrong things going on in America than I thought.
There’s so much wrong here, but like any country, the majority of people have good hearts. Those with money have bought out the people in power here to make them lure and sway many to fight non-existent issues to distract people from what actually is wrong with this country. I hope you are doing well, friend. ❤
"I'll say it again-it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of A needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!" - Matthew 19:24
I think that's a mistranslation or a simple error. There was a rope for boats, called ΚΑΜΙΛΟΣ (cámilos). This got mixed with ΚΑΜΗΛΟΣ (cámeelos) which is the camel.
So, the original was referring to a rope, which is much thicker than a thread.
@@ClassicalTrainingthe point still stands although it’s less on the nose. still hard for a marine rope to go through the eye of a needle.
@@ClassicalTraining What failure of a Christian apologist did you hear that from?
its impossible, thats the point of the quote " its impossible for rich people to get into heaven, unless they slim down abit [aka give away wealth]"@@helpsloan
@user-ly9fn8iq4w The message is still the same though.
Some Bible verses these Christian nationalists need to read:
Matthew 25:35-40
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Matthew 22:21
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's
Luke 10:25
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, Love your neighbor as yourself
John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her
Matthew 6:5-6
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you
Jesus himself is a socialist and the Christian nationalists deem that woke.
The whole of Matthew 22 is a damnation to the current state of American Christian Nationalism.
I'll add Romans 14:1-4:
1
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.
2
One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
3
The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
4
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Matt 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother
Romans 2:12
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but transformed by the renewing of your mind, that by testing you may discern the will of God.
Basically saying outright that anybody who believes a church is where you should get your sense of morality is anti-christian.
Christians don't read the Bible. If they did, they'd be atheists
Truth be told, I may not be American, but I can see this same thing in my country.
Especially with regards to the status quo. I used to dislike things like socialism and that was simply because I wanted to keep the level of comfort I became accustomed to. The fear that a radical shift in social structures made me feel like my position is fragile and could easily be upset.
I'm watching your content from Europe. This religious fundamentalism in the USA is just so damn creepy.
As a non-American Christian, I just wanted to remind all our American friends (religious, non-religious, and formerly religious) that what's happening in your country isn't the sum of worldwide religious experiences and expressions.
Amen to that, as a fellow non-American Christian.
Finally someone smarter...u couldn't be more right .
It overwhelming is, the history of religion and Christianity in particular is fascist imperialism, because that's what the ideology teaches. You're all degenerate nazis.
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the world.
Worldwide religious experiences right now are as sweet as they've always been since some abrahamic lunatics cut of their foreskins and started the trilogy of brainrot called Talmud, Bible and Koran.
At this point I feel like because of so many schisms and denominations, I'm not even sure when people claim to be "true christians".
There is no such thing as a "true Christian" the bible itself is contradictory hence why there are two testaments and dozens of Christian sects, all contradicting each other, this is why as a former secular catholic and now an agnostic pluralist I recognise that secularism is the only viable religious solution for any society wether Abrahamic, Buddhist, Sikh etc
@@JohnT.4321 I mean like the main ones, I'm not counting niche religious Christian groups like Quakers, Plymouths, Methodists etc
This is why the American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
@lettuceatter_9956 It is almost like the babble was compiled, written, rewritten, and interpreted as a means of advancing the interests of those on power or who wanted to be in power, which primarily involved keeping the rabble in line and working in the fields and military. Gotta get those taxes...er...sacrifices ...er ...tithes. Religion sure is a useful tool to capitalism. I feel like some hairy dude once said something about religion and opiates or something.
@randomcdude4430 I have no doubt that religion has always been used as tool for sociedal control, I'm not disputing that at all, but what I do know for a fact is that religion is also inherent to the human condition and no one can change that, no one can actually prove that God does or does not exist it is simply impossible in the current age we live in, thus denying that material reality is idealistic in it of itself, something that Marx rejects, many don't actually understand that his dismissal of theological beliefs was merely personal, his core critique of religion has always been about how it is used as a rulling class tool under capitalism for multiple purposes like you said, religious corruption, extremism and subversion it is by default a product of capitalism, you wouldn't say that dangerous medicine or harmful chemicals that are put in everything we injest are a product of science now would you? Exactly, that's because they're a product of science under capitalism not science in its essence...
AJ is awesome. Thank you for sharing your interview with him.😊
Bro the intros to yours yugos and hakims vids are impeccable. I swear it gives me the shivers every time.
Boy i sure do love when history repeats itself, always so fun to live through already told hellish stories
Like the left wing terrorism of the 60s and 70s.
The American education system and religion is terrifying to a European like me.
@@Skoopyghost Almost all of the actual violence comes from Democrats and the people who do and would vote for them. They lie about the threats to deflect from them. Murder rates are concentrated in Democratic areas by Democrats.
bible has warned us about this
@@zhanucong4614 🙄
I'm so fascinated by this topic, and I've watched many videos on it. I loved how your video was put together and how it was approached from both a secular and Christian viewpoint. Super interesting - thank you!
Unfortunately only those looking for those facts will have access to these videos. Others will be watching Joke Rogan or Charlie Kuck.
I live in Texas and was dragged to many churches in the state and I heard that same message "America is a Christian nation and its success..." many many times. I even believed when I was younger.
Curious dis you leave Christianity? I also grew up in Texas. 9/11 was my shift, but many catalysts helped me leave Christianity. I cannot in good faith defend a religion that encourages renouncing personal accountability for your actions for worshipping a dead guy on a cross.
@@brialapoint2608. Of all the reasons for leaving Christianity I have heard, this is the best one. (I'm still Christian, by the way) The irony is conservatives yell all the time about individual responsibility, then, hide behind the Bible (and 'forgiveness') the minute they are about to be held personally accountable for anything wrong they have done. Jimmy Swaggart comes to mind here... And if you bring up the communitarian sections of the Bible, they go "la, la, la" and try to end the conversation quickly, letting you know their stances aren't out of conviction but an incessant thirst for power and to dominate and ruin other people's lives.
A little off topic but a not so fun fact about Dallas 1st Baptist. I used to maintain the fountain in front of the church and it had a bad leak for 2 years in 2016-2018. They would not pay to repair it but threatened our contract if it wasn’t running every Sunday. I believe we calculated the water loss at 185,000 gallons a day. For perspective, a swimming pool averages between 30-60k gallons of water😢
Here in Jamaica these noisy evangelicals have a stranglehold on the average minds. Recently our electricity company proposed a 2.5% surcharge on payments over US$1,500 at payment centers - a few days ago I passed a group of church sisters protesting in our business district with the usual baloney signs against gay marriage, violence, child abuse etc., but one sign had me laughing: it was condemning the 2.5% electricity surcharge!!!!
Guess their pastor doesn’t want to pay extra for his AC bill…..😂😂😂😂😂
They need that “fountain of faith” to flow so they parishioners see that all is well with “the church.” (It’s probably some subliminal messaging. Evangelical churches tend to have a lot of that going on to draw in and keep a hold on their “consumers”.)
@@ianchandleyof course batty boy like you ago vex when di people have dem right fi protest what dem feel.
There is no need to lie bro.
Wow - but that figures, I’ve seen some crazy “temporary” bandaids in my time that were spurred on by ops managers who don’t understand systems nor care to. So where was the 185k gallons going, I’m assuming you all had a runoff so that it drained to sewer? Regular city water too? Surprised Dallas Public Works didn’t send them a letter to cease that level of usage. I doubt an aquarium even pulls that much water in 3 months time. What an absolute waste of fresh water, I can’t imagine that estimate was more than the two years of unnecessary flood control measures you all had to put in place OR the water usage cost. Frustrating and disgusting.
The production level has gone up a whole lot since I last watched your videos 🎉❤
Great video, man. Keep it up!
It's incredibly true that those who are Christian nationalists, don't go to church or know the bible. My family never goes but they think America is a Christian state. This is the easiest thing to counter when we talk because you remind them they don't practice religion and what can they say?
Going to church doesn't make you Christian. In fact, Jesus overtly opposed organized religion, believing firmly that true faith is something you keep to yourself and determine for yourself. It could easily be argued that by going to church you are actively rejecting Jesus and his teachings.
Personally I am of the opinion that Christians in general have no clue about their religion. The crusades, inquire and holocaust are all dismissed for the idea that those aren't real Christians. School shooters? Same thing. Witch trials not real Christians. I hear the excuse too often. Most people don't even know that Christianity was made to control and conquer while making the followers fight over jesus.
Inquire=inquisition
@@dontmisunderstand6041perhaps, however private religious practices were not and gatherings of believers were common even in the earliest days of the church.
They know more about creating bogus acts and trolling social media than their so-called holy book.
What I don’t like is that people can’t see that separating religion from government gives us the freedom to practice or not practice. I’m a Christian but nothing scares me more than religious influence in government. I don’t wish my religious views on others and I wouldn’t want others forced on me. The streak of dominionist and theocratic thinking has plagued the world for far too long.
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@@sentinelUSA05Judaism came first ,:(
@@sentinelUSA05 when talking about history, Judaism was the first religion to be in practice. Then Christianity, Islam, and finally Morman
@@sentinelUSA05 Seems like this is yet another case where being a member of a religion, and practicing the general values of a religion are hard to distinct between under the same umbrella term.
I can't make any assumption of wks's level of faithfulness in Christianity. However, I at least assume that they *believe* in the values of generosity, forgiveness, and compassion and solidarity with the suffering, as taught by this religion's scriptures.
Personally, I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean I fiercely follow the exact opposite of any values that are a part of any religion, nor that I consider religious people to be my enemy. In many cases, I follow values that happen to be reflected in many religions, even if I have no interest in looking into them or dedicating my time into adopting one specific religion's values.
Whether or not wks truly believes that Christianity's God exists, or just follows core Christian values, does not matter to me. This information does not decide whether or not I can like them as a person. What I care about is how they treat others and themselves. If following Christianity's values has made them a kind, compassionate person, then realistically I don't care if they a "true" Christian or not. If they exercise compassionate, mutually understanding values, that's good enough for me.
And if any religion's God is willing to demonize and condemn those who practice the values they teach just because they don't worship them, then their logic is flawed, failing to make them the perfect being that should be prayed to. That is a narcissist. Even if I follow the values taught by a narcissist, that does not mean I must have undying faith and worship for them to demonstrate those values, and neither does wks.
Truth
Founders didn't want a national religion or religious test of faith of citizens. They did not expect God to be wiped from all public discourse or institutions.
Pretty sure by "freedom of religion" they meant freedom of Christian thought.
This is in many nations, not just this one.
One things that always confuses as a non American from the outside is this constant debate on whether the founding fathers of America created it as a Christian nation or not. Why does it matter. Isn't the goal of society to progress and get better?
I think it's part of a larger debate about HOW to get better. Also, some think that we already hit the perfect point, and have regressed since.
We think so here, too. Many of our founding fathers were educated enough to have been agnostic.
And yes, there is to be separation of church & state, so each could worship according to their choice.
The only improvement for a society is to obey God and do as He says.
It matters because the connection between the church of England and the Crown.
@@holdthewindsno
Americans trying to homogenise a Faith shared by most Nations on the planet all of whom practise in their own unique ways, is kind of insulting honestly.
It's what empires do...
The Faith itself is an insult to humanity
@@dundukk9450 Everyone outside the US practicing a Christian denomination older than any of the ones vying for power within the US.
@@dundukk9450 Uh huh. That doesn't change that biblical literalism and evangelicalism are as absurd and baseless to other, far more ancient forms of Christianity as they are to non-believers in the US. And that's the cartoon bullshit they're all trying hardest to spread the furthest, including to inside every classroom in the US.
It's *meant* to be insulting. Don't you realize, being an ignorant delusional hate-filled American is still light years superior to anyone else on the planet?
Just noticed the logo. Well played. Well played indeed. Love the channel, keep up the good work.
8:17 "To be a Christian means to be an American"
Me, living in Germany: 😐
TAX THE CHURCH IN THE USA
I'm a recovering evangelical. Years of "creation science" and repressive "alternative" sex education did a number on me. I was so devout I was actually considering going into the clergy at one point. My Church, these days, would definitely have fallen in line with Christian nationalist movement. My split from the faith was a horrendously painful experience. Fast forward, I currently live in a small town where an evangelical pastor lost almost half of his congregation by telling them that covid was for real, and God wasn't going to save them from it, and that Donald Trump is in no way shape or form a Christian and that bigotry wouldn't be tolerated in his church. Half of these fucking sickos walked away because he spoke a VERY CHRISTIAN truth. These people love Trump and their warped conception of America more than Jesus or anything He said. Video is spot on. I guess the reason I'm saying all of this is because it's so damn cool to see real, insightful, sincere Christians who take Jesus seriously like the guest in this video. Despite the bad taste Christianity left me with I still respect many of the people in the community like this.
Anyone who claims God won't save people from covid or brings up bigotry deserves all the disrespect they get, that said there's nothing Christian about lying and fearmongering and you're the sicko for calling it Christian. Also Trump is a Christian, look it up.
Trump is their God.
You judged Christianity based on one experience? That's childish, asinine, ridiculous, absurd and illogical. How old are you? 18? Christianity is the foundation of Western Civilization and its freedom and justice system. Atheists murdered 120 MILLION of their own people because without God there is ZERO objective source or moral reality. You obviously judged all Christianity based on one experience. Nobody said all churches were right, but being godless means one has zero source of moral accountability or eternal life. Creepy mindset. And your use of vulgar language shows a very bitter, warped, hateful soul.
Your story is a very painful one but I'm glad you were able to recognize their hypocrisy. Welcome to the right side of history, brother.
I think you found a church with going to, don't bail on the faith because some people suck. Jesus was pretty clear about forgiving people for that and the issues you're citing are likely new things in terms of Christianity.
Meanwhile in public schools and at the southern border...
Aw come on don't you know we Got The American Jesus? Helped build The Presidents Estate. Thank You Dr.Greg Graffin.
Behind The Bastards podcast did a great episode about how the ruling class warped Christianity from a socialist movement to a capitalist movement. Definitely recommend checking it out if you're interested. The episode is called "How the rich ate Christianity"
Oh, I need to listen to that episode. What always broke my heart most about Christianity was the wasted potential, how one of the most radical altruist speakers of his time, begging his followers to imitate his self-sacrifice and hold their property in common, was co-opted to champion such a completely opposite ideology.
When I listened to or read accounts of Jesus' speeches as a child, I was always struck by how powerfully, fanatically they encouraged listeners to consider all human beings to be just as important as themselves. And just how UPSET adults got about hearing words like that in the mouth of ANYBODY but Jesus, even in their own religious figures, really taught me some things about how our society worked and how little the rank-and-file Christians were actually listening to the lectures supposedly made by their Messiah.
Yet in Europe, most of the social welfare systems were put into place not by the Socialist parties, but by the Christian Democrats. The expansive European social welfare systems have a great debt to Christian Social Theory.
"Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead."
The sad truth is that many people adopt their religion from their environment to fit within the in-group. They don't actually think for themselves, just accept what they are told. They don't actually read or understand the bible, they just say they do because it sounds better. So many people who claim to be readers and followers of the bible have clearly not read it. If you've read the bible, you can see this everywhere, that so many people claim things from the bible that are untrue, claim they know so much about it yet contradict the scripture the entire time, and sow seeds of hatred. I'm not religious but I have read the bible. The moral of this story to me is that many people who just adopt the identity laid out for them end up with a phony belief system and black and white thinking, that causes more problems than good. In the act of trying to guide or force children to adopt their parents/families religion, you get a toxic societal and cultural pressure to moralize, and to push other people down in order to make yourself appear better, higher, and closer to god. At worst, you get a racist and fascist ideology that essentially wants to exterminate any non believers, deny people's rights or push them into second class citizenship.
Stop apologizing for them. There are thousands of different interpretations of the bible because the book is full of contradictions and literal nonsense. There is NO correct way to read a book of lies and myths. The bible is completely useless for anyone with a brain who can think critically using modern morals and philosophy. Religion is a disease that perpetuates stupidity and blind loyalty for slaves. All religion is pure evil. And everyone who supports religion supports this evil through lies and deception.
Their delusion of Zionism is gonna be the end of us
The Bible itself is full of inconsistencies so there cannot be any “true follower” anyways.
This is my main problem with religion as an Atheist. It’s a legend that can be bent towards teaching people yo be good or can be bent towards manipulating people into becoming evil and hateful. It all depends on what part you read and how you interpret it.
I would rather just put labels saying “this is a mythology, you can study it for its historical and cultural significance but don’t take it seriously and don’t try to obey it” on every religious book out there.
People cannot function in a society by following broken works of fiction, people need the truth. Truth can be verified, truth can be turned into truth, but lies can be turned into anything especially into other lies.
I mean, the Bible can say whatever the reader wants it to say. Between the Bible being full of contradictions and most people being hilariously uninformed about the context their favorite quotes and stories come from, it can be used to say whatever someone wants it to say. Most people just aren't ever going to know the difference.
You could read the Codex Sinaiditicus, the oldest still surviving version of the New Testament yet discovered, yourself and see how much the NT itself changed between its earliest writings and the King James version most people are familiar with. Because at every point the formation of the Bible was always every bit as much political as it was religious. If anything, these modern clowns are just carrying on the oldest Christian traditions there is; using the supposed word of god to suit their own agenda. Some interpretations are more universal and less judgemental than others, but there's certainly nothing new about this specific sideshow but the scale.
@@RevShifty
Yes. This reminded me of a story by Bart Erhman.
About christian girls at summer camp buying each other Friendship bracelets that if forget the exact quote but something like “until we meet again I shall not rest, I will not be complete”
But In the actual context it was two men fighting and the person was saying it as a threat. Lol
Bro our founding fathers never new what this country was gonna be we should look to the future not the past for help. How dose the saying go those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it
Christian nationalism was once so ubiquitous people didn't even have a district term for it.
So with that said, from what point in time is the current strain "rising?"
I remember getting deep into Christian nationalism as a child and young teen until I broke free of it. What scares me is that all these elements in America are creating a fascism much more durable and much more deeply ingrained than that of what we saw with the Nazis. The only reason I got out is because I got older I started questioning more and more of what I heard, until the whole worldview I had at the time collapsed. It took me years to fully free myself of every aspect of Christian nationalism and American exceptionalism and fully reject them.
Our biggest source of hope is seeing how many of us broke out of it.
It's hard to keep up the lie when evidence to the contrary is so readily available to anyone with Internet access.
How are you this dense this to compare Nazism? It’s genuinely insulting to downplay what the actual people who suffered under Nazism went through. Not to mention I bet you’re saying this while simultaneously supporting the Nazi terrorist organization fighting against Israel right now
What gives me hope that this iteration of fascism won't be enduring in the way the Nazis were is that the Nazis gave their adherents material gains. They took homes and stores from Jews, LGBTQIA people, and the other "undesirables" and gave it to party members. They had a youth program. They threw community parties and other activities. American fascism brings nothing to its adherents but social rejection and even lost jobs.
Not sure who said this quote, but it makes sense.
"You can't talk a fascist out of fascism, but you can buy him out.'
@@Zosioand yet one of the first things they do is try and tell you that they have the solutions, and all the evidence that’s available is fake, or bs, or something along those lines. And they somehow keep up the lie and convince people of this.
Me too
I couldn’t help but notice how old all of the people attending the freedom Sunday service were. I didn’t see a single young person in the crowd.
We knew how to handle Christian Nationalists. Just say "NO !"
I was hoping you would touch on how Christian Nationalism has been knitted together with the idea of “Western Civilization” (I.e. Ron desantis ads with Norse iconography)
The segment with A.J. Shortley was really interesting. That "salvation comes from the margins" instead of the institutions of power has been really common throughout the arts and leftist politics.
I need some clarification. Are you saying that the political left is getting its power from the margins and not from having co-opted the centers of power in America? If so I would have to vehemently disagree. The left is very definition of centralized power with it's nearly universal control of government bureaucracy, the media, the education system, Hollywood, etc.
Jesus is King 😊
It's actually a technique to open the door for pathological revolutionism.
Would Jesus eat with leftists and secular artists? Sure he would. But would he condone their behavior? Nope, he would not.
“There is no crime, absolutely none, that cannot be condoned when 'our' side commits it.”
- George Orwell
Notes on nationalism.
You do know that George Orwell was a racist , rapist and a colonial cop who reported leftists and minorities to the British government to be surveilled.
Okay George Orwell was also a liar, a snitch, and a racist. And a comprador with British intelligence.
@@arnavsrikanth Stalin and Mao were child rapists, anti-Semitic, and persecuted minorities. They also worked with Hitler and the US respectively
Make Orwell Fiction Again
@@Alacard0malleyyou’re all over the comments fearmongering about communism and socialism under a video about Christian nationalism. What a surprise 😂. And another comment about “Marxism” guess you hit bingo lol
Now do a video on Islamofacism.
LMAO. "Islmofascism."
@@zenster1097 The only thing that is laughable is the fact that sh!tleftists don't like applying their sh!leftist "convictions" across identity politic lines. That's why I demand they do before I take any of these sh!tleftists serious.
How about the real threat Judeo-Bolshevism
@@zenster1097Bro really thinks fascism inherently opposes islam, meanwhile Mussolini decalred himself the protector of islam.
Dude! you are so awesome!
I see this as a last-gasp power grab. Religion has literally never been less popular in the US as it is right now. And these fundies know it.
Very true. They’re trying everything to stay relevant. And it’s scary to recognize that what they’re doing is actually working. It needs to be stopped.
Doesn't matter if the church in America, Europe, or even the world disappears, Jesus wins in the end. Avoid it, run from it, or fight against it, "every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord" over everything
If rwligious states were not American, then israel is no froend of America, you antisemitic troglodyte
@@alrightyoreilly19 believe what you believe. That quote from your book does not prove your book. Religion is seemingly doing more harm than it is good right now. Just look at the war people are in right now.
@@historysyourbestfriend5500 I've heard that a dying animal fights the hardest right before it gives up, we are living through the death rattle of christianity in America so I expect it to get worse before it gets better.
I feel like this essay skipped over the impact of the George W. Bush administration. W himself often professed that his evangelical faith is what saved his life, and that resonated with his base. Once in office his administration greatly eroded the separation of church and state with the implementation of integrating faith-based institutions into the federal government. These offices still exist today in many government agencies. It’s an important chapter in understanding how we got there.
Dubya gets overlooked a whole lot these days. After 2016, it's kind of easy to see why. But in overlooking him, people are missing out on a large part of the reason that let 2016-2020 happen in the first place.
I despise Dubya and every single person in his administration. I've certainly never forgotten about any of them or the damage they did and I'm getting really tired of them all being overlooked.
@@RevShifty You remember the 'moral majority' bs too? Finally someone else remembers!
Keep your imaginary friends rules to your home.
That Collin Hansen quote at 16:58 pretty much sums the whole thing up as I see it...
(Edit: when I started this video I was nervous that it would turn out to be a rhetorical anti-christian video, but by the end of it was greatful that it turned out to be (by my analysis) very practical and observant. Thanks @Second Thought
As a Christian I am saddened by the intertwining of religion and the state.
Saying a thing doesn’t make it true. I could say america was founded by Dutch opium traders, but that doesn’t make it- oh. Wait. Never mind.
This right here
As a Christian my self I feel embarrassed for these people. Don't let these people represent us some of us are actually quite nice
I’m bummed I’m only seeing this video now-based on the intro, I’m guessing you live in the DFW area. Just about a week after this was posted, my church in North Dallas hosted the Northern Texas Lutheran Center’s annual lecture, which this year was presented by the author of a new book, “The Psychology of Christian Nationalism,” by Pamela Cooper-White. She gave a presentation (and explanations) that dovetail beautifully with this video.
Thank you for this, Explicitly pointing that Christian nationalism is not actually very Christian. As a practicing (and mostly failing) Christian I find Christian Nationalism abhorrent and that it actually has very little to do with the bible and pointing out that people who regularly attend church and read their bible are more likely to reject the beliefs of Christian Nationalism was great to hear.
It baffles me because we're commanded to not succumb to the world and its desires, but there's nothing more worldly and desire fulfilling than the promises made by modern evangelicals.
@@acciaacilius6875That's a ridiculous statement. Christianity as a whole in the US is full of those who profess to be Christian, yet hold views which are considered heretical. Many American "Christians" have little to no knowledge of Scripture, instead they create their own version of Christianity. This is true for both leftist and right wing Christians, which results in political and social activism masquerading as Christianity. There are still Christians such as myself that reject the idea of poisoning our faith by mixing it with petty politics and do not wish to conform to secular society. I have no interest in pushing my beliefs on others, nor do I want to live in a theocracy.
@sentinelUSA05 The obsession with Firearms for one (2nd Amendment or any of the Constitution in general). The concept of God-given rights has no scriptual bases. The closest I can thing of is God giving a specific man of faith something or the blessings and curses as set out in the Old Testament. Also, the banning of anything that you disagree with is also completely at odds with a core principle of Christianity as God gave us free will to choose to follow him (or not as the case maybe). God, Christ, and his apostles all speak at great length on this subject.
@@sentinelUSA05 Pretty much everything. I can't think of a single aspect of Christian nationalism that upholds the Gospel.
I am not a christian or american.....but it's easy to see why it's growing(and I dont see anything wrong with it).
Current structures of society be it gov,religion,social ideology have royally screwed up lives of most ppl.
So a lot of ppl are desperately trying to find an ideology to stick to. If it wont be christian nationalism...it will be something else.....there' no doubt about it....and it certainly won't be the current global left order...cos thats what most ppl are trying to escape.
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
*Barry Goldwater*
You know you're the bad guy when an evil bastard like Barry Goldwater sounds based when he talks about you.
@@annaphallactic very much so, though Goldwater had a number of good points which is more than can be said of a lot of current politicians, though he only really opened up there after departing the senate in general his support for the CRA was only hindered by his feeling the federal government had no place in state politics (Brown v Board of Education commentary) or hiring policy (commentary on title II and VII). And he was justifiably pissed at the CIA for Nicaragua and criticised Reagan openly for violating international law.
And even in the 90s he called out the fact the GOP had been overrun by as he said "kooks", and recommended everyone kick Jerry Falwellin the nuts in the 80s. So while he's heavily responsible for the mess we see today, he still had ethics and a moral compass seriously lacking today in politics.
As a Christian from the UK this explains a lot. Youth leaders/summer camps etc would often use materials made by Americans, and something that always struck me was how convinced they were that as a ‘real’ Christian I must be struggling under oppression and severe peer pressure to renounce my faith. In the UK! No one cares if I don’t have sex until I’m married or go to church, not even my Christian friends! But the framing of Christian life as an eternal struggle against the zeitgeist makes a lot more sense if political motivations are behind it
Excellent video. I appreciate your thoughts, your respect, and your tone with this topic. I have been deeply disturbed by nationalism and especially Christian nationalism.
An additional thing to note. Separation of church and state was sent in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to a group of baptists in Virginia. The meaning of this statement in this letter acknowledges that the “state” aka the government would not interfere or intervene in the affairs of their church so long as it didn’t violate the law in some way. But this statement created a two way street, the government is not allowed to interfere with a church so long as it isn’t violating the law but the church should not interfere in the government as to not sway its decisions. This is even emphasized in the constitution where it mentions the government can’t choose a particular religion.
In retrospect, the country wasn't never founded as a "Christian Nationalist" country. Christian Nationalism is an oxymoron because Christianity is a globalist religion and practically half the world is Christian. Saying that America is founded as a Christian nation is like saying that America is Roman country because we write with the Latin alphabet. Christianity is what gotten mankind into the dark ages, the renaissance inspired the world to take the knowledge from the ancient world and progress.
That's not it at all. The United States was clearly built on Cristian values, rebelling against the king of England who was trying to force the people into one made-up religion that he made so he could legally divorce his wife who could not bear a son.
This lead to a mass immigration to the west in order to avoid religious persecution.
After the war between the colonies and England, the declaration of independence was created using the Christian religion as a fundamental framework.
When referring to said letter, it ment that the government couldn't force any law against any religion that resided in the U.S.
That doesn't mean the government itself cannot be religious. It was always Cristian.
But since the Church is basically a company, they can just lobby.
Separation of church and state was a clause in the constitution but it's there!freedom a religions! separate from church and state.
You say that, yet Thomas Jefferson himself is the one who implemented the first church in congress for all to attend on sundays. The intention was to give assurances that the state would not interfere with religious freedoms or interfere in religion, which is exactly what the King of England did as he was the "head" of the Anglican church. That is the point of the separation of church and state. In England they are intertwined and the king has the final say.
This Christian nationalism in USA sounds like just another step towards full-on fascism. You see the Nazis were also strongly Christian who wanted the final solution for the Jewish question.
The nazis wanted to kill/convert all christians too. Or at least Hitler did
Nazis weren't christian bro
Fascism is always the resentful cry of the idiots and losers of society who realize that they are idiots and losers. They resent their status as lowly and instead want to rule over those that they hate. All fascism is the same, and it is no surprise that religious people find it so appealing considering they are willing to believe pure lies so long as it makes them feel better.
Weren't nazis secular? And they wanted to get rid of jews because a lot of bankers were jews and Germany happened to be in absolute debt after ww1.
Well sort of. They held a high Catholic population of about 50.6 percent. While the rest were different religions. AH however was not an atheist. As no atheist, would send troops to look for biblical artifacts nor any artifact for that matter. We tend to stay in reality quite easily.
moved to utah from vancouver and wow its wild how many churches are around slc and how insane some people are. the church controlling the whole state is pretty weird
Man, well done bro. I’m a Christian and I am so perplexed by these “Christian Nationalists” folks. Their god is not the God the Bible. Also, nice hair and best of luck in your new space and growth in your business - I love your content!
What’s wrong with Christian Nationalism?
@@JakeDavis-bj9xsbecause its racist and exclusionary of other religions
@@LittleHomieLightningtechwithing the first 10 minutes of this video the guy said that Christian Nationalists are not exclusively white, 1/3 are blakc people so that destroys your silly narrative. Also, of course they are exclusionary of other religions, its in the name CHRISTIAN Nationalists.
3:39 its the first clause of the constitution "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
I've been reading Taking Back America for God, and I have to say you nailed this video. Christian nationalism has been a growing worry of mine for a couple years now. I've been a Christian my whole life, and it's scary to see something I love being perverted and co-opted by malicious actors aiming to grab political power.
Christian nationalists are no more christians than a dog is a cat. They are charlatans, con men, authoritarians lusting for power and the ability to dictate their views on everyone else. Similar to today's GOP party and their lust for power at any cost whatsoever.
No, no one else uses social ideologies for political power! Because who would do that? Hmmmm.. let me think..... 🤔 ..🏳🌈🏳⚧?¿
@@JohnDoe003 there is no LGBTQ agenda my guy, they are normal, everyday ppl who just wanna be treated fairly, and using fringe cases to prosecute them is extremely unfair to them. I know many lgbtq people, and all they want is to be treated fairly. Please stop spreading misinformation about normal people, and have a good day.
clearly someone hasnt payed attention to 50% of conservatives ways to gain power (aka: using Christian ideologies and bending them to invoke fear and psychological suggestion upon easily manipulated Christian Americans)@@JohnDoe003
I feel like you’re not actually a Christian lol. Christianity and politics can mix idk why you think it can’t
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