Muay Thai Champion vs. Taekwondo Champion | Lawrence Kenshin
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How would a high level Taekwondo fighter do in full contact kickboxing? A Korean National Champion stepped up to the challenge in what was the biggest international arena for striking - his name, Yong Soo Park. After 3 wins against C-level kickboxers at heavyweight, he'd fight Kaoklai Kaennorsing, a former Muay Thai Champion weighing 172 pounds. This stylistic and "David vs. Goliath" matchup sparked huge debates in the fight community.
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There is now way this was even remotely a "draw", not even in "lala-land"
Kaoklai is a bloody LEGEND!!
The TKD fighter was using all his skills whereas the thai boxer had to restrain himself and not throw elbows to the head. If elbows were allowed Kaoklai would have won in the 1st round I think.
Lol you aint even seen half of it.
The TKD guy should have eaten a dozen head kicks. It's almost as if the Thai dude was causing him extra low kick pain
***** "Boards don't hit back"
I break shits all the time 😄
What is your point?! My neighbor's nine years old kid break a board too!
Just because you can break a board once doesnt mean anything, I did Taekwon doe and you dont practice breaking boards with elbows constantly, Muay Thai fighters CONDITION there elbows. Its a difference of just doing it once and constantly doing it
Look at the body language of the muay thai guy at the end of the match,it seems like he can do this all day😍😍
That’s his breakfast. What about lunch and dinner?
The truth is, he can
MT practioners in Thailand are hardened endurance beasts, they train basically all day, everyday.
They have some weaknesses however, usually their front is not as guarded as in other fist-fighting styles, and they dont have any defense against grappling/Wrestling, but this is no wonder, since these are not allowed XD
minute 3 fake ,and weightdiffrents
@@misterraven5159 ahah yes
that was no draw, that was points to muay thai guy
Yeah, they clearly tried to rob him. No honour
Hey watch the video until end
That's the reason I hate Korean , Chinese and Japanese. When it comes to judging they are biased.
@@lalneobaite8501 bro not all of us are like this:0please don't generalize us;-;
I have lived the better part of this decade in the far East and while I have tremendous respect for their cultures and achievements and highly functional and safe societies they are among the worst in the world when it comes to racism. I mean black = bad, white = good, no questions asked. They are very much hung up in their own stereotyping and it is to their own detriment if they don't open up to the new realities. That doesn't mean they have to go bonkers about forced diversity like EU and US have. Just maybe a bit like we were 50yrs ago would already be enough.
This is so sick, I love the breakdown of stylistic matchups like these
adnatal thank you, more coming
@Ryan Park and?
Joe Rogan has the best take on TKD as an effective martial art. As a legitimate black belt and competitor he was very successful in TKD, but once he made the transition over into kickboxing he was getting destroyed by training partners and realized there were all these gaping holes in TKD. Highly recommend watching that video.
say that again, it made me feel dirty...gaping holes
Is that on redtube?
TKD has some great centre line kicks. Traditional TKD not that Olympic ballet shit. Would love to see Muay Thai pinch a little of that to complete the package.
Where can I find the video?
th-cam.com/video/f6zSG4vXbQY/w-d-xo.html
So awesome! FINALLY a comparison between styles intended for martial artists and not just the general public!
Lawrence Kenshin has probably the best material on youtube for martial arts fans.
hands down
Hip-Hop Homework the weasel, mindsmash too.
He and Jack Slack, and you dont need anything more to read about martial arts.
Kaoklai at 172 pounds fighting heavyweights and McGregor is bitching about having to fight in his normal weight hahahaha.
dtp is he also getting ragdollef by heavy wheights ? no, no grappling in k1. jesus
tf do you mean bitching?
Mcgregoat ... is a p***y
Does muay thai have wrestling now?
@@jorgenschroen5440 then apply it to Sakuraba, he compete it in openweight tournaments against people like Rampage Jackson or Ricardo Arona (those matches vs Arona where a slaughterfest).
if the muay thai fighter can use his elbow, sure his can knockout the taekwondo fighter in first round
SHoutz Channel not true. You must be in a position which you have a chance for to throw an elbow. You can’t just use it when ever you want, as it would put you in a dangerous zone trying to.
É o que eu sempre falo! O que vale não é o estilo! Mais sim o atleta!
Yes
Yes sure 100%
Yes
Finally found an informative video on a particular question I had for a long while! Thanks!
this has been one of the best channels I have come across in a long while.
This is why I love Muay Thai !!!! The timing is stellar and the sudden but extremely dangerous nature of the leg kicks and overall kicks , grappling and striking.I also love the aggressiveness of the combos and swagger of the strikes. I started out with Tae Kwon Do as a kid . Then many different forms of Kung Fu. No matter what style I implement in a exchange I feel Thai Boxing is so practical for a street confrontation or match fight. Me being a smaller guy I always had to beat up bigger opponents. Being able to anticipate your opponents strikes and spot patterns early in a bout comes with practice and training but is ultimately the fundamental key coupled with good grappling to gain a upper hand against a bigger opponent. Bobbing and weaving works very well in Muy Thai Styles with the clinch systems put in place and block system to defend tons of damage and sling your often bigger opponent like a pit bull would do on a bigger dog in a fight .
Long Live Sagat!!! Tiger Uppercut
Dre Powell I love it too!!!!!.
Dre Powell what do you think is more effective in everyday self defense, Judo or Thai?
JT Corvin ofcourse judo because of the hand and takedown techniques but if you master them both, you are unstopable agaist average person.
I'm starting learning Muay Thai here in philippines, and i love it than other martial arts.
After acdf surgery c5/ c6. i started muay thai August 2017.im 43 yrs old myself & my son love it !!!.we're both hooked.
Another amazing breakdown! Thank you
Outstanding material on your channel Lawrence Kenshin, greatly appreciated and enjoyed.
Once again a great fight thank you, Kenshin!!
I'm a big grappling fan (catch wrestling, sambo, Judo, BJJ) and almost as big of a fan of MMA; moderate fan of striking arts, but I admit a lot of that is my lack of understanding of the finer points. I really believe your videos could draw a lot of people into this whole world. When we understand what we are seeing and the thought and talent that it requires, we can't help but appreciate and enjoy the arts so much more. Same goes for music, film, and especially MMA. Thanks a million for taking the time to put these together, Lawrence!
Love the videos, love the music. great work.
You're videos are top notched and absolutely amazing. Subscribed~
Best analysis stuff is always an elevation of the analysis to art. This is beautiful stuff.
Thank you. Learnt a bit from your breakdown
Park hasn't adapted his TKD for kull contact kickboxing. When you see a successful TKD guy in MMA/Kickboxing like Anthony Pettis, they adapt their TKD techniques and work them into a viable/complete MMA/Muay thai arsenal.
***** The point is TKD is Pettis's base and that shows through his style. Just as Karate is Lyoto Machida's base.
MykTheOccultist heh Anthony Pettis transitioned from TKD to being coached by one of the most diverse striking coaches in martial arts.
P.s. Check out Steve Vick
Lawrence Kenshin Super Kick Vick was the fucking man
Rod Ramsalot you could argue that all of pettis's flashy spinning handstand shit does not work in combat, yet he makes it work.
his base is TKD and you can see it in his kicking technique. same with machida, thompson, nelson, you can see their karate bases in their striking and movement.
you obviously have very little understanding of martial arts.
Rod Ramsalot No dude, Anthony may use Muay Thai kick's but his kicking techniques are very TKD essence because of his crazy flexibility speed and very unorthodox style of kicking. How many mma fighters you see can kick like Pettis, yet alone run off the side of a fucking cage wall and kick some one in the face....none. All those crazy kicks he dose is because of his TKD background you moron.
What a wonderful series - thank you a lot for sharing
Just pure love for this channel!
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From the music....to the scripts /font .....you are an Artist thru n thru
You access our souls
Thankyou Lawrence
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I've to watch your videos at .75x. This is amazing stuff. I never knew about Muay Thai. And now I'm obsessed with it
Happy to hear that!
As an MMA fan who aspires to be one one day, these videos really help a lot. Keep doing what you do! You just earned a subscriber
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+tatskamies fully agree, subscribed. The inserted comments add a lot to the quality! thx
+tatskamies i thumbed it down, i didnt like all the text and back story crap, just give us fight footage
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Amazing video. Thanks for posting.
I totally enjoy this! The fights are so cunning & ferocious and the martial art lessons on the screen are accurate.
i did taekwondo and lol
without even watching i know the tkd is going to lose against muay thai lol
too obvious
Look at this guy lol I bet he can't even do a simple back flip he ain't no tkd fighter he looks amateur
best comment I love taekwondo but the reality of it is that Muay Thai has more versatility and is better suited for combat sports like kickboxing and MMA, taekwondo guy didn’t stand a chance :(
Lol you don't know to kick
But its true though
TKD doesnt stand a chance mostly our endurance and balance are shit
I remember watching this and as a TKD practitioner I was going for Park whatshisname. He was having success with countering his opponents low kicks with a quick jab before his opponent landed the kick. Bare in mind this was a tkd fighter, fighting kickboxing rules so he was up against it, even if his opponent was smaller. I believe muay thai to be a more 'efficient' fighting style than TKD, I think the kickboxers strikes are more telegraphed than TKD kickers but that probably comes with the power kickboxers put into their strikes where TKD focuses on speedy point scoring kicks. Great breakdown though and I like the way you treat all martial arts with respect. No martial art is 'better' than the next, it all comes down to attitude of the instructor and their students. :)
Brad Hutchinson the traditional TKD was not always the fast-scoring kicks, as it used to include deadly hand-to-hand combat and just as deadly kicks to go with it, but it is true that over time, commercialization sort of "changed" the overview of what TKD was actually meant to be more.....For show, i suppose.
I've always loved Muay Thai, but I think people are too quick to put tkd down as ineffective. I think it has less to do with the style and more to do with the person. As far as telegraphed, it all depends on how you set up a kick or a knee. Time it just right and your opponent will never see it coming
Brad Hutchinson No martial art is better, LIE.
RobinKing
Yea you are right in saying that.Unfortunately the way WTF rules are structured it makes for an uninteresting spectacle when watching the worlds best TKD fighters in a match. If they changed the rules to reward aggression and attack and removed the padding it would gain more respect from other martial artists.
Brad Hutchinson (speaking from experience, i've been practicing traditional AND unorthodox TKD for about 8 years now) the padding actually REALLY slows me down. i lose about 50% speed and mobility as well as losing stamina a whole lot faster, for some reason.
Thanks for your informative vidoes Lawrence... Much appreciated
sick compilation ..
so many lovely tributes to muay thai ..
GG man...
if this was on tiktok ...confirm blow up .
@7:12 you know that leg check hurt park lmao
1. Big advantage on weight and height.
2. Home field advantage.
3.Judged by a korean-friendly board.
4.Korean still can't beat Thai.
+Aalekh Mehta lol your funny.
to me its more like getting beaten by a little kid.
Tindalam Nokoring still beat on intelligence tho
Truth
Tkd is not for streetfights its just a sport for competition its not really use in self defense and brawling its for sports
Tkd is shit
Before watching the Edson Barboza vs Pettis fight, I remember everything I learned from this channel. Helped me win my parlay :)
great edition job, bravo
800 tae kwon do practitioners disliked this video
and 1 sympathetic kyokushin brown belt
can you blame them? the saddest part with TKD, it's a really cool style but as far as striking with your hands, it's horrendous. Bald guy had poor guard and when it came time to use his hands, he was really sloppy. was almost like swinging noodle arms that just kept wrapping around his enemies by accident. just awful
I practice Taekwondo and I hate it 😂😂 I rather train Kung fu and Muay Thai on my own. TKD just for fighting experience
@@grimmg7135 tkd itf is the real taekwondo nor wtf...tkd is more useful in mma not in thai....if he want to fight to a thai fighter he need to learn muay thai first and then mix technics
@@carloscruz8630 why u hate it
Love your videos and music so inspiring makes me inspired to go to gym despite me being tired already for am physical training in the army but Muay Thai is the best!
Thanks for your Amazing videos. Greeting from London
I like the historical background you give between the different gyms and their styles.
I could beat all these guys easily. Seriously if they ever put them on a playstation game I'll stomp all of them. What, you think I'd be dumb enough to actually get in the ring with real fighters. Pfffttt. I beat Mike Tyson :D
lol get rest😀
rekt
+Jamie Pinson for real, lets see how good these loosers are in Tekken, or DOA! LOL
+Jamie Pinson hahahaha, I like your expression very much. Thanks for the laughter.
go drunk man you are home...
Buakaw KO every one on that stage
+Jason9Avila nope he doesn't fight thai fighters because he rather have them as allies to represent thailand rather than rivals atleast he said that in a documentary
+Cason Ching That's kind of dumb then. Is he some kind of nationalist ?
Psychedelic Revolution something like that I guess
Buakaw has the hardest kicks in the game!
K1 Champ how any times? He has earned his place as a poster boy now in my books.
Randy Randerson 366 wins, like 45 draws and 5 losses.
I count him as being a 400th time champion
what a fucking good breakdown, very well made video m8, congratz
All fights of Kaoklai Kaennorsing against those big size opponents are very damn freaky amazing. Respect him for that.
Kaoklai Kaennorsing is an absolute Muay Thai Legend....!!!...
Kaoklai was a real warrior!
subscribed. great work !!!!!
Great analysis and fight commentary! I love this upload, keep up the good work. It would seem from this fight that TKD is incomplete as a fighting art on an international level. Muay Thai on the other hand is cut from a very unique brand of cloth.
7:30 the MT fighter's low-kick check is a textbook!!!
i felt that check
Thanks
Very good job on the video and info
I must say, that epic thumbnail on this video says it all!
In karate we teach use kicks above the belt for tournament and below the belt for self-defence. Was smart for Park's to use low-kicks when it is allowed, but it is not revolutionary, is pretty much fundamental to karate so I imagine must be same for how taekwondo is taught. Awesome video too though by the way.
knowing a few low kicks is very different to practicing them all the time and conditioning your legs to both throw and take them.
TKD is taught using kicks above the waist only. If a person trains in it he needs to practice low kicks on his own.
Korea Taekwondo, never macth THAILAND MUAY THAI.
As a bystandar who has practiced neither of these styles, I can say that both can make the average human go to the emergency room or worse. Do not bash one or the other like you are some king for being born into a specific ethnicity. Both fighters dedicated years of their lives to perfect their craft. Give both of them and their peoples the respect they deserve. No person is "superior." Fighting styles? Sure, the practitioner of TKD was fairly defeated. But one entire country of peoples being superior to another because of this fight? Give me a bloody break.
Be proud of your country and heritage, no problem. But do not insult another country and it's culture just because of two men fighting on television. That is not only poor sportsmanship, but also extremely insulting to equate an entire country's worth to one of it's martial arts.
Sorry for the negative call out, but it makes me cringe seeing so many of these kind of comments. People talking down on the entirety of China, India, The UK, Japan, Brazil, The Philippines, etc. It is absolutely upsurd.
Great video Thanks!!
Kaoklai has a heart of a Tiger!
wow a draw! wtf fight were those judges watching. Tkd boy got picked the fuck apart! he looked like he was totally out of his league. if he would have went up against a heavyweight Thai Fighter he would have got knocked out.
🌏 Style is matter.
I'm still with you LK, Thank for the great vid.
Excellent video!
Respect😊
9:24 judge saw it as a draw. corruption at it's finest.
very good videos and analysis
All your videos are very very very good. And your music preference is great. How can i find this music.?
Power output, they’re about the same if you received a kick from either one. Technique wise, TKD doesn’t stand a chance. If they integrated TKD with hapkido, then maybe? But TKD alone, no way. I love TKD, I do, but when it comes to fighting other types of arts, it’s very difficult to stay pure in the sense of not bringing in other known styles. It’s a very limiting martial art. I’ve tried it against a friend who knows capoeira. It wasn’t that bad, but boy did I go down vs the one who knows Muay Thai.
As a Thai people TKD have many good kick and who's master it might have a chance to win against muay thai for sure
but he need very good timing because lot of TKD tecnique is all in bad balance
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amazing. no more words.
Lawrenceville you are the shit love your work very intelligent break down
kaoklai is amazing.
5:44 they start fighting
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Yr videos are awesome bro
Man I love your channel!! I do jujitsu and gojo riyu Karate, I like how you explain everything, muy thai is a very respectable and lethal fighting art!
1:25 this guy's spider-man
I've watched two of your video and I like the professional breakdown of the fighters, and their techniques. The best part, no room for spectator trolls on the comments...
Very superb video thanks
Excelentes lutadores, parabéns para os dois.
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มีเส้นบางกั้นอยู่คือ เตะเอาคะแนนกับเตะเอาตายมันต่างกัน เทควันโดใช้จริงได้ยากแต่ถ้าเอาไปโชว์ได้ แต่มวยไทยมีท่าสวยๆอยู่แต่ห้ามใช้เพราะแตะละท่ากะฆ่ากันตาย อย่างต่อยคอหอยมวยโบราณก็มีแต่ห้ามใช้ บีบไข่ก็ถ้าเอามวยไทยโบราณมาใช้ครบจริงๆ เทควันโดตายตั้งแต่ยกแรกแล้ว
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Imagine if they were in the same weight class tho
Awesome Video
I'm at 2nd senior certified instructor for the USTA Ita and this is the very reason I also study Muay Thai for the low leg work
Lawrence Kenshin I was one of the first, if not the first channel to upload Park's fights. I have to say, you present a very skewed picture of Park Yong Soo's fights and you use a lot of unsubstantiated background info on Park / opponents in this video.
1. Where do you get this "C-level" kickboxer claims. What do you mean by C-level. You make it sound like this was some actual K-1 classification. These were crappy undercard fights, not fixes.
Also, so TKD guys don't know how to low kick just cuz they aren't allowed in Olympic rules? That's what you make it sound like. Should we also exclusively assign spin (wheel) kicks, back kicks, butterfly (360) roundhouse kicks, double kicks (i.e. low-high double roundhouse kick thrown by Shogun), etc. as TKD techniques? This is silly trying to label everything and implying that he won his first fight using a non-TKD technique.
2. Where do you get off insinuating the Daisuke Watanabe fight was thrown? Each knockdown looked like Park clipped Daisuke clean to me.
3. Third fighter is Paul Lungruff from a South African K-1 rules event.
4. Where do you get that Park Yong Soo was a "champ"? At what? What I know from the information that used to be listed on the old K-1 website was that he competed in COLLEGE. He won a COLLEGE title.
The reality of it is, Park was/is an overweight, out of shape fighter, easily winded, and happened to have an amateur TKD base that gave lesser competition trouble. He eventually transitioned to training at Khan gym with Sinbi Taewoong in Thailand. Never had the chops to be successful at a high level in K-1.
Don't make this about TKD. Don't claim this is "champion vs. champion." Very misleading.
5. Kaoklai fought Yongsoo in a "Khan" event, which was basically like a K-1 GP satellite qualifier event held in Korea. This wasn't some typical K-1 freak show fight, Kaoklai tried to qualify through the Khan event.
I've been following your work since you first started doing MMA/Kickboxing breakdowns and analysis. Please lay off the TKD bashing. Many actual high level TKD based athletes have transitioned to kickboxing and MMA waaaay more successfully. Anderson Silva and Anthony Pettis being the most prominent and outspoken about it.
You have previously claimed to have been a "junior olympics" medalist in TKD like that somehow contributes to your objectivity. From what I remember, anyone who wanted to could go compete at TKD junior olympics. You basically got medals for showing up. This alone doesn't give you insight or knowledge into high level TKD game.
Just lay off the style bashing. If a TKD fighter goes into a kickboxing fight and doesn't know how to throw a punch, the TKD fighter is an idiot. If a boxer enters an Olympic-rules TKD tournament and doesn't know how to kick, the boxer is an idiot.
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1. C-level as in I would not categorize them as above average kickboxers (B-Level) or elite (A-Level)
Yes, TKD stylists don't know how to low kick really but they can certainly learn. Shogun is an MMA guy that specializes in MT, he learns many things. It's important to point out that olympic style TKD guys don't practice low-kicks. It's not something that can just be done easily. Good for YSP to pull it off.
2. The strikes look odd to me. It may or may not be thrown, but my judgement is that it looks suspect. I have no bias against YSP or TKD, in fact I was cheering for him when he got into K-1.
3. I know it was Paul Lungruff but there is very little to no information on said fighter.
4. Collegiate titles are not world championship or olympic titles but they're still titles, he is still a champion. Not a title comparable to Rajadamnern, so he was no where near the best representative. Reps such as Moon Dae Sung or Kim-JeGyoung would've done so much better and inspired so much more people. Yet YSP was probably the only and best representative to go into K-1. It is about TKD. Not the best representation but he is a representative, just as Kaoklai wanted to rep his art and style too.
5. Kaoklai fighting any heavyweight is a freak show fight, not just YSP. I don't plan on bashing TKD, or see this as such, but you seem to take it as bashing. I also plan on highlighting TKD's advantages and transitions. Anthony Pettis and Anderson Silva both have a rounded MT/KB/Boxing arsenal as well. Again these are MMA fighters, not so much "pure stylists" representing their arts. Crediting something being useful is not the same as being a relatively "pure stylist."
I did not claim to be a jr olympics medalist. Pull it up for me. There's no need for personal attacks. I trained with the JR worlds team of my country at one point, with guest coaches often being from national teams of their respective countries, who were training partners to the likes of Chu Mu Yen and Yousef Karami. Most of the team was making the transition into the seniors within 1-2 years. But that is relatively irrelevant, even without any TKD experience, I will come to the same conclusion.
I'm not style bashing, but I am laying out the limitations that YSP showed in his TKD, and in general what limitations TKD will encounter.
The intention is not to make people think Taekwondo is useless, far from it, it's to make people realize the limitations, which imo is far from bashing. I'm calling it as I see it, to the best of my ability with the technical knowledge that I have and the observations I made. If you continue to feel that it's not fair or you can provide a better insight, I am open to learning & receiving constructive criticism,
Lawrence Kenshin Fair enough. I really didn't mean for the post to be as critical of you personally as it ended up being. The JR comment was one you probably made on r/mma.
I apologize to the extent of that I attacking your personal background with TKD, but I stand by my criticisms of this particular video being biased. I just do not agree with this particular breakdown, the particular tilt it was presented with, nor the two fighters you chose as examples.
Keep up the good work though. You're willing (and brave enough) to put in the work and put yourself out there with your analyses. Some are spot-on, while with others reasonable people can disagree.
K186 I assure that I never said junior olympics and I have not deleted any such comment on r/mma or elsewhere :).
I wish that there was a way better example of olympic style TKD in K-1, however there isn't. To be fair, YSP landed a series of strikes and did better in many situations where B / A class fighters such as Alexey and Mighty Mo failed. A higher level TKD guy would've likely beat Kaoklai, though against a guy like Le Banner the odds are no good. YSP did land a few clean kicks before Le Banner cut off the ring and unleashed his power though, so again I would've loved to see a truly elite TKD guy try.
There are a few TKD guys I think are important to feature, Steve Vick is one, which I've been planning to for a long time. Another is James Moontasri, silver medalist in Pam Ams & training partner to Anderson Silva and has done quite well in MMA.
I can certainly understand disagreements, and I am far from infallible, but I do my best. The other analysts and I can disagree on some aspects, but in the end we are still open to change opinion and learn. This breakdown was not to bash TKD as it was at identifying a purist's limitations and then further investigate / set up how adaptations lead to certain tremendous successes and advantages.
I'm surprised you didn't mention McGregor up there as he is also an MMA fighter practicing a lot of TKD lately.
K186 Lawrence Kenshin Both your comments have been very insightful! Although I must say, that they do have a veriaty leg kick in the Tae Kwon Do system, however, they are a bit too injurious for competitive use lol:)
***** low side kick, though It's the only one I know, lol
TKD player was lucky there is no elbows in K1. There would be no decision
Tkd dude would’ve been knocked out first round
thanks for that. interesting video
I appreciate you posting this video. I have a question though...why is this video (and so many of the TKD videos I see on TH-cam) of such poor quality? Why is there hardly any 720p or 1080p video? I mean, I could understand if these videos were from the 1980's or so...but many of them were recorded in the past few years. HD has been available on cheap cameras and smartphones for years. What gives?
that park is so big size no wonder he won so many rounds it's not tkd's work is his size's work and look at that thai champ guy sooo much smaller and yet he beat him up. TKD not practical it's just fanciful touch and score points lol
youtuber Just like Joe Rogan said. "I was blinded but then I saw the light" once he fought against a MT fighter.
Rod Ramsalot tkd is a light contact sport they stand no chance against full contact sport. Even if Tkd won it's the person. He must have unfair advantage eg longer reach bigger stronger not because of tkd......
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youtuber Jesus christ you have no clue what you're talking about when you say TKD is not practical. You should probably try the sport/art before you make ignorant judgements on it based off of youtube videos.
Icyxos Well I practiced both TKD and Muay Thai and my comments aren't ignorant yours are.
draw lol judges are blind
they had money stuck in their eyes
Amazing fighting
wow he countered every move he made! it's like watching a martial arts film!
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After watching this I went looking for fighting games. xD
Play guilty gear or tekken but tekken is more martial arts
It is very remarkable that the TKD master was able to hold off for so long
good video and really awesome music
i don't understand how TKD fanboys can still talk to loudly about how its "effective"
a 172 lbs muay thai fighter half the size just completely outclassed a olympic level HEAVYWEIGHT tae kwon do fighter
the habits you form in tae kwon do like keepings your hands at your waist for balance and blocking makes tae kwon do completely useless against any striking art where you're allowed to punch someone in the face (most martial arts allow this)
on the other hand if you're a TKD based mma fighter, learning to sprawl on takedowns is also more natural due to the hands at the waist...but it opens you up to a barrage of fists if the sprawl was a feint
the conclusion is that tae kwon do is fucking useless, don't make your children take it, let them learn something that they could actually use to protect themselves and the people around them, let them learn some MUAY THAI
its not useless i did try to mention one of the good things about tkd, low hands, easy sprawls
ill even add another, the way you throw roundhouses in TKD are often hard to read. there's rarely any "tell" before the kick
the snap motion thrown from the knee instead of muay thai's straight leg off the hip comes out way quicker, minimal power loss, hard to read...
but at the end of the day it requires the biggest "NO-NO" in fighting, hands down for balance, the whip motion roundhouse throws you way off balance because your shin ends up acting like a pendulum, too much momentum
i took TKD for over 10+ years, took one "trial" muay thai class and thought i was hot shit and wanted to spar someone cause i would wreck people in TKD, pretty much got KO'd by light jabs and couldn't walk properly for couple days from 3 big legs kicks
signed up for some muay thai and i haven't looked back since, its mind blowing how big of a difference it is
ps - the first guy i sparred was 17 or 18, i was about 26 at the time lol
Exactly that. People got hooked on those old school martial arts movies. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Jet Li....they all did flashy ass shit.
Kicking being the main draw to "flashy" martial arts instantly pulls these ignorant dummies into a TKD gym. Years of dedication just to be punked by a couple months of muay thai training...SIGH
+Bruce Lee is an actor make a living on facial a mean expression, but Muay Thai fighter is no facial expression just want all opponents have a good (senseless) sleep. Good night. They are not actors. No comparision please.
Muay Thai is the best in the real blood war.
its not the style it's the fighter and his or hers ability to adapt to that fight or fighter
i am a fighter and i know it doesn't
if the style made a difference, the same style would always win every competition,
Yes, and you "CAN" get hit on the head by a falling coconut.
that is utter bullshit. do you have ANY full contact experience in any capacity? Styles are better than others, the UFC has proven that if you have no grappling background youre fucked, and if you train striking it better be Boxing, Muay Thai, etc and not some dogshit traditional martial arts.
Man, you make fights into movies. I love muay thai
This was an interesting matchup.