We all learned about old-style steering... I am an owner, and it took me half a day to figure it out....the next day, I drove it 1000 Kiliomters. No issue, stress-free.... we love our truck...
It’s always funny to me listening to folks that don’t have much in the way of off-road experience reviewing this beast in the same way one would review the details and performance of an actual road focused vehicle. But I get it. It’s a very comfortable road capable tractor, lol, that can go play in the nastiest dirt box right off the showroom floor. As soon as you’re off-road and your front tire punches a stump in a sporty rack and pinion steering box which sends the steering wheel instantly spinning with forces that want to rip your finger off, it changes the impression of what seems to be too much steering wheel involvement in the Grenadier. If you approach the review from how well incredibly mannered this thing is on pavement when it’s specific design intention is to reliably crawl through some of the most intense off-road circumstances all day every day, it give a far more accurate depiction of just exactly how incredible the Grenadier truly is. If someone buys the Grenadier and barely uses it off-road, that sucker will be solid as a bank vault for 20 years or more. It’s definitely going to be fun to drive as a novelty. But if you want to really be impressed and truly appreciate why having a few more wheel turns in the steering in a positive light, find a ridiculous trail that regularly requires one wheel searching for the ground because the suspension is articulated to its maximum length over and over. Then drive down a corrugated road for 20 miles and notice that in the Grenadier you still have a full front row of pearly’s to smile with. THEN you will have a true appreciation for the very specific and very intentional reasons this vehicle was designed exactly the way it is. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
I love this vehicle. A real man’s machine! The ultimate off rider machine. No gimmick's, no nonsense, just a man’s vehicle like grandpa. Your friend did a marvelous job!
You need to adopt a proper driving technique for this type of vehicle. Both hands and feed the whee technique make things much easier. Steering does settle in after a few thousand miles.
I have 3,000 miles on my Grenadier Trial Master. It’s fantastic on and off road. The gas tank has a range of 260-280 miles. The steering is not an issue. It’s actually a more stout recirculating ball vs rack n pinion. Remember, this is primarily an off road vehicle. It’s purpose built. The over speed click warning is turned off by one menu click by saving the menu as a “Favorite”.
@@RootBeerGMT A larger tank would almost certainly compromise off road capability. The Grenadier prioritizes its off road chops at almost every design level decision. There are ample other ways to carry extra fuel when it’s necessary. Tesla’s and Denali’s aren’t made for the trails.
It isn't designed for driving with one hand at the top of the wheel like some drug dealer or bad taxi driver. Hold the wheel at 9 & 3 with thumbs on the parts of the wheel that look like they are designed to rest your thumbs on (surprise surprise) . Sit high and adjust the wheel to suit. It is a robust 4WD with recirculating ball steering, not rack & pinion, due to the solid front axle. Drive it accordingly. If you want an SUV or a sports car then this is not for you.
@@RoadandTract Well you are not meant to drive while using your phone however if you do, then don't judge how hard the vehicle is to steer. Clearly it would have been a totally different steering experience if you were holding the wheel with two hands correctly.
Pretty awesome vehicle, with the black eye of a large turning radius. I have been informed that the large turning radius comes inherently with solid axles and the kind of steering that doesn’t break your thumbs off road when you take a solid hit on a front wheel. City street deep big potholes can do that, too…
all the way from jamaica the truck is nice theres nothing to complain about just look at the beast look at the wheels the color of the interior the paint all u need is a brush guard case close from jamaica
Cool video thanks. FYI the rear seat cushion flips up and the seat back flips down. Not much better than what you pointed out. I opted for the Sterling Silver to help mitigate the summer heat/sun. However, if I lived in a cooler region in the U.S. I would have selected a dark color, likely black. The black looks very cool.
It looks so awesome because it looks so much like the original Land Rover Defender which they stopped producing a few years ago. It is a timeless shape for the original workhorse and off-road explorer. This is the Vehicle Land Rover should have developed! Unfortunately the original quoted price blew out by 40-50%. At the asking price people would be loath to really explore for fear of damaging it! But its a truly great vehicle with excellent options.
Btw, take the seat to a competent upholstery shop. They can open the upholstery up and put a bulb pump inflatable bladder within the upholstery right where you want it for solid lumbar support. Your welcome.
There’s no room under it for a bigger tank either, which is unfortunate. The diesel would travel 500 miles between refills but I prefer vehicles that will travel up to and beyond 600 miles on the highway. Obviously a long range tank would be even more of an advantage on remote trails.
Tons of options for hanging Rotopax or Jerry cans. The L track is strong enough to carry gas. The available roof rack can carry a bunch of Jerry cans as can the molle panels for the rear side windows.
There is a way to turn it off and most people set it as their favorite. Plus, Ineos is a universal vehicle and speed warning is a standard everywhere else.
@RoadandTract again the vehicle was not made specifically for the United States and if it wasn't regulations, it wouldn't have had the ADAS. In the end a fix is in the works and the US will have ability to turn if off permanently. Another example of the uniqueness of the US market. We don't have amber turn signals ROW they have three turn signals but USA uses the brake light. These quirks will pop up when you are building a glo al platform.
hope owner doesn't loose key fob - cannying overland did and replacement cost $1,200 - controller unit that controls power steering went bad and is not availale!!
I don’t understand why there is an electronic controller unit for the old fashioned steering box. There is no need whatsoever to have any kind of controller for an archaic recirculating ball type power assisted steering system.
Thanks for the demo video of the steering response. I think I don't need test drive this vehicle because you did an awesome job explaining it. It feels like it sloppy to me and that is a safety factor. It feels that when you're driving you are wandering to the left and right. Wow.. maybe the steering needs redesign lol.
This is a purpose built off road vehicle, not a luxury SUV, so your not going to have a heated steering wheel or adaptive cruise control, or power seats. The steering is meant to be the way it is for off road purposes. It has a recirculating ball steering so that when you hit rocks or holes, the steering wheel doesn't jerk out of your hands. You don't want rack and pinion steering for off road or overlanding.
Excellent overview/ drive video. Very exhaustive! Good stuff. I’ve driven the diesel one. Would opt for diesel personally. I can get that in eu understand in us diesel is not really common. All though the zr2 1500 just came out with a diesel as well for us market. The 3ltr duramax. So there’s that. I liked the ride. Didn’t like the turn radius at all. Funny comment about that being like that because it’s geared for off-road, indeed makes zero sense. I suspect it’s a design after thought or rubbing issue or whatever. Who wants a wider turn radius when going off-road. Exactly, no one. Otherwise cool car, bit tractor like. Also the snorkel was a bit wind noisy, and the diesel engine same ish. Although fine. Cheers.
It’s a direct result of using a live front axle with double UJ’s for a constant velocity. Basically it is a tractor type axle and these are usually limited to 60 degrees steering angle. The new Ranger truck has a far longer wheelbase but a yard tighter turning circle. The tractor axle is also the reason that it must have recirculating ball steering box and the shimmy and lack of precision and feedback that comes with that kind of package.
@@RoadandTract Your childish response is a tell tale sign of a Mall Crawling Poser… money can’t buy you self respect…and seeing your reflection and complete lack of muscle tone screams “SOY”…
It’s the B58 inline 6 cylinder 3.0 liter twin turbo. It’s the same engine that Toyota selected for the Supra. Yes, the Toyota Supra is powered by a BMW drivetrain. That should tell you everything you need to know. Obviously the engine is tuned differently for the Grenadier. But I understand your concern. I had a N54 engine in a 535 wagon. It died at 60,000 miles… fortunately, this isn’t that.
Heated steering wheel??? wtf ?! Why complain about that - it’s so petty This is a real deal off roader- if you want all this stupid luxury crap that eventually breaks down and dies - get another fake off roader like a defender or a Range Rover
Its an off roader. If you don't like the way it rides, you belong in something else. Maybe a Wrangler. I'll take the Fieldmaster Edition.92K+ Next Year. Let them get the bugs out first.
Actually, not expensive at all considering you'd spend more for a Land Rover. And of you restore an old Defender, this is a better option. And if you find a Mercedes G Wagon under $100k, buy it.
I'd imagine someone with a laptop can sort that speed thing out permanently. Will be fun to see how the after market bolt ONS catch up to the grenny. Possibly sorting the perceived steering issue out for a few who don't like it
We all learned about old-style steering... I am an owner, and it took me half a day to figure it out....the next day, I drove it 1000 Kiliomters. No issue, stress-free.... we love our truck...
It’s always funny to me listening to folks that don’t have much in the way of off-road experience reviewing this beast in the same way one would review the details and performance of an actual road focused vehicle. But I get it. It’s a very comfortable road capable tractor, lol, that can go play in the nastiest dirt box right off the showroom floor. As soon as you’re off-road and your front tire punches a stump in a sporty rack and pinion steering box which sends the steering wheel instantly spinning with forces that want to rip your finger off, it changes the impression of what seems to be too much steering wheel involvement in the Grenadier. If you approach the review from how well incredibly mannered this thing is on pavement when it’s specific design intention is to reliably crawl through some of the most intense off-road circumstances all day every day, it give a far more accurate depiction of just exactly how incredible the Grenadier truly is. If someone buys the Grenadier and barely uses it off-road, that sucker will be solid as a bank vault for 20 years or more. It’s definitely going to be fun to drive as a novelty. But if you want to really be impressed and truly appreciate why having a few more wheel turns in the steering in a positive light, find a ridiculous trail that regularly requires one wheel searching for the ground because the suspension is articulated to its maximum length over and over. Then drive down a corrugated road for 20 miles and notice that in the Grenadier you still have a full front row of pearly’s to smile with. THEN you will have a true appreciation for the very specific and very intentional reasons this vehicle was designed exactly the way it is. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I love this vehicle. A real man’s machine! The ultimate off rider machine. No gimmick's, no nonsense, just a man’s vehicle like grandpa. Your friend did a marvelous job!
You need to adopt a proper driving technique for this type of vehicle. Both hands and feed the whee technique make things much easier. Steering does settle in after a few thousand miles.
I have 3,000 miles on my Grenadier Trial Master. It’s fantastic on and off road. The gas tank has a range of 260-280 miles. The steering is not an issue. It’s actually a more stout recirculating ball vs rack n pinion. Remember, this is primarily an off road vehicle. It’s purpose built. The over speed click warning is turned off by one menu click by saving the menu as a “Favorite”.
Seems like a larger tank would be an excellent idea. The current range is about like a Tesla. My Denali will go around 400 miles.
@@RootBeerGMT A larger tank would almost certainly compromise off road capability. The Grenadier prioritizes its off road chops at almost every design level decision. There are ample other ways to carry extra fuel when it’s necessary. Tesla’s and Denali’s aren’t made for the trails.
I wish they wouldve added those facing parallel seats like the original defenders have. I wonder if they would even fit?
It isn't designed for driving with one hand at the top of the wheel like some drug dealer or bad taxi driver. Hold the wheel at 9 & 3 with thumbs on the parts of the wheel that look like they are designed to rest your thumbs on (surprise surprise) . Sit high and adjust the wheel to suit. It is a robust 4WD with recirculating ball steering, not rack & pinion, due to the solid front axle. Drive it accordingly. If you want an SUV or a sports car then this is not for you.
How else am I supposed to drive when I'm using my phone
@@RoadandTract Well you are not meant to drive while using your phone however if you do, then don't judge how hard the vehicle is to steer. Clearly it would have been a totally different steering experience if you were holding the wheel with two hands correctly.
Not as easy to drive as a Range Rover.
You need to relax. It’s a car reviewer.
Pretty awesome vehicle, with the black eye of a large turning radius. I have been informed that the large turning radius comes inherently with solid axles and the kind of steering that doesn’t break your thumbs off road when you take a solid hit on a front wheel.
City street deep big potholes can do that, too…
That turning radius is what comes with a tank.
@@RoadandTract -
No. Tanks can turn in their footprint. Much, MUCH better…
Lol
Jeep Wrangler has solid axles and tight turning circles.
Looking forward to seeing these on the secondary market for 45-49k in late 2025.
all the way from jamaica the truck is nice theres nothing to complain about just look at the beast look at the wheels the color of the interior the paint all u need is a brush guard case close from jamaica
Heated steering wheel, should definitely be included with any "Cold-Weather" package!
Cool video thanks. FYI the rear seat cushion flips up and the seat back flips down. Not much better than what you pointed out.
I opted for the Sterling Silver to help mitigate the summer heat/sun. However, if I lived in a cooler region in the U.S. I would have selected a dark color, likely black. The black looks very cool.
It looks so awesome because it looks so much like the original Land Rover Defender which they stopped producing a few years ago. It is a timeless shape for the original workhorse and off-road explorer. This is the Vehicle Land Rover should have developed! Unfortunately the original quoted price blew out by 40-50%. At the asking price people would be loath to really explore for fear of damaging it! But its a truly great vehicle with excellent options.
Btw, take the seat to a competent upholstery shop. They can open the upholstery up and put a bulb pump inflatable bladder within the upholstery right where you want it for solid lumbar support. Your welcome.
There’s no room under it for a bigger tank either, which is unfortunate. The diesel would travel 500 miles between refills but I prefer vehicles that will travel up to and beyond 600 miles on the highway. Obviously a long range tank would be even more of an advantage on remote trails.
Tons of options for hanging Rotopax or Jerry cans. The L track is strong enough to carry gas. The available roof rack can carry a bunch of Jerry cans as can the molle panels for the rear side windows.
Buy a 200 series. It is not only proven, once you move the spare tire to the back or roof, you can add a 24 gallon reserve tank.
Nice
It's nearly perfect as a platform. Spend an extra $50k on that interior with some customization, and it would be epic.
No heated turning wheel - because the founder loves driving cars with his gloves on..
There is a way to turn it off and most people set it as their favorite. Plus, Ineos is a universal vehicle and speed warning is a standard everywhere else.
Having to turn it off every time the vehicle is started is not a good thing. They should update their software to fix that permanently.
@RoadandTract again the vehicle was not made specifically for the United States and if it wasn't regulations, it wouldn't have had the ADAS. In the end a fix is in the works and the US will have ability to turn if off permanently. Another example of the uniqueness of the US market. We don't have amber turn signals ROW they have three turn signals but USA uses the brake light. These quirks will pop up when you are building a glo al platform.
hope owner doesn't loose key fob - cannying overland did and replacement cost $1,200 - controller unit that controls power steering went bad and is not availale!!
Interesting...
I don’t understand why there is an electronic controller unit for the old fashioned steering box. There is no need whatsoever to have any kind of controller for an archaic recirculating ball type power assisted steering system.
Thanks for the demo video of the steering response. I think I don't need test drive this vehicle because you did an awesome job explaining it. It feels like it sloppy to me and that is a safety factor. It feels that when you're driving you are wandering to the left and right. Wow.. maybe the steering needs redesign lol.
"You'll get used to it." Is what I hear a lot. But, to me, I think it needs to be improved.
This is a purpose built off road vehicle, not a luxury SUV, so your not going to have a heated steering wheel or adaptive cruise control, or power seats. The steering is meant to be the way it is for off road purposes. It has a recirculating ball steering so that when you hit rocks or holes, the steering wheel doesn't jerk out of your hands. You don't want rack and pinion steering for off road or overlanding.
Correct
Curious why HE didn’t give the review-he could actually provide better feedback.
Go find someone with one and ask them about their experience. Or watch this video and shut your trap because you sound ungrateful.
@@RoadandTract wow…sensitive. It was a legitimate ask. I’m still curious
Excellent overview/ drive video. Very exhaustive! Good stuff. I’ve driven the diesel one. Would opt for diesel personally. I can get that in eu understand in us diesel is not really common. All though the zr2 1500 just came out with a diesel as well for us market. The 3ltr duramax. So there’s that. I liked the ride. Didn’t like the turn radius at all. Funny comment about that being like that because it’s geared for off-road, indeed makes zero sense. I suspect it’s a design after thought or rubbing issue or whatever. Who wants a wider turn radius when going off-road. Exactly, no one. Otherwise cool car, bit tractor like. Also the snorkel was a bit wind noisy, and the diesel engine same ish. Although fine. Cheers.
It’s a direct result of using a live front axle with double UJ’s for a constant velocity. Basically it is a tractor type axle and these are usually limited to 60 degrees steering angle. The new Ranger truck has a far longer wheelbase but a yard tighter turning circle. The tractor axle is also the reason that it must have recirculating ball steering box and the shimmy and lack of precision and feedback that comes with that kind of package.
TrailMaster would be a better name actually.
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dude you complaint alot - its a fucking off road
You haven't even begun to see me complain.
@@RoadandTract - The Grenadier is an awesome off road, I am working on configuring the Trial-Master
Test driver is very 'SOY' , would have been nice to hear from an experienced off road driver.
Really? You want me to show you another Grenadier offroad video and I'm the soy one? Stick with your Bronco. You will never afford this.
@@RoadandTract
Your childish response is a tell tale sign of a Mall Crawling Poser… money can’t buy you self respect…and seeing your reflection and complete lack of muscle tone screams “SOY”…
a BMW engine. awesome. (sarcasm)
dealbraker for me
Are you retarded?
BMW V8s are notorious for problems. Their inline 6 has a long record and is stout and trouble free.
It’s the B58 inline 6 cylinder 3.0 liter twin turbo. It’s the same engine that Toyota selected for the Supra. Yes, the Toyota Supra is powered by a BMW drivetrain. That should tell you everything you need to know. Obviously the engine is tuned differently for the Grenadier. But I understand your concern. I had a N54 engine in a 535 wagon. It died at 60,000 miles… fortunately, this isn’t that.
Heated steering wheel??? wtf ?! Why complain about that - it’s so petty
This is a real deal off roader- if you want all this stupid luxury crap that eventually breaks down and dies - get another fake off roader like a defender or a Range Rover
For $90k, it better have everything.
Its an off roader. If you don't like the way it rides, you belong in something else. Maybe a Wrangler. I'll take the Fieldmaster Edition.92K+ Next Year. Let them get the bugs out first.
I don't think there will be a "North American" market version that is too different from the global model. But good luck with that wait.
expensive vehicle for people with a lot of money.
Actually, not expensive at all considering you'd spend more for a Land Rover. And of you restore an old Defender, this is a better option. And if you find a Mercedes G Wagon under $100k, buy it.
I'd imagine someone with a laptop can sort that speed thing out permanently.
Will be fun to see how the after market bolt ONS catch up to the grenny. Possibly sorting the perceived steering issue out for a few who don't like it
Nah, it's not that expensive. These days 80K isn't that much for a car
Well, it is and it isn’t. Pricey, sure-but what isn’t.
Looks like it has never seen dirt, and likely never will. What a waste.
Owner has a ranch. It will be exploited thoroughly.
@@RoadandTract If you say so. I’d bet money that it will be up for sale within a year.
I wouldn’t be too anxious to get it dirty.
Ineos designed and engineered the Grenadier for a 25 year life span.
Yes, and it's also designed not to fail in the bush prematurely. 25 years is probably more than we need.
Let’s hope