Little wonder that this beast is so damn heavy. It appears to be built to last forever! Unfortunately I am not and at 74 I’m not sure I could take advantage of its longevity at that price premium.
@@Dirtboxoverlandabsolutely the best review! Subscribed. Would you go with a Rubicon 392 or a Grenadier for yourself? Similar price point and debating the two.
Great stuff! I really appreciate that you are applying actual mechanical analysis. I expect your products will be highly functional, technically sound and well tested. Not more of the voodoo (front damper kits) and bullshit JC Whitney catalog fare that seems to be coming from other vendors. 👍
Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about gets their hands on one! Us technical enthusiasts have been so deprived of walk throughs like this. Just subscribed and looking forward to the improvements you mentioned.
This is probably the best video out there that shows what the grenadier is all about: Mechanically sturdy and made to last (at least it seems that's the idea and only time will tell). I saw a lot of comments around about how expensive is and the lack of some accesories (none of them offroad related). This is what you pay for: Beefy parts. The drawback is weight and that's why I think they did not went with a thicker bumber also. Unless some weird Achilles heel that would be expensive to fix is found in the future, I reckon they will hold their value pretty well.
The small fuel tank in the operational Achilles heel IMHO. There have been no driving test failures that I’ve seen but such a limited range in factory fuel capacity is baffling.
So disappointed you didn’t say anything about the heated seats… There are no other channels that have done near the depth or quality of reviews on this vehicle. Very interested in what you come up with on extra fuel tank and raising that low fuel tank.
Red Winches are actually machined in the UK out of billet aluminium, and they supply the Ministry of Defence in the UK. Apparently, they're rated according to SAE J706. The contactors are Albright, not Albion; Red Winches also supply these, which I retrofitted to my Warn M8274.
Must say if you bought one you'd actually feel like your getting good value for money not just the bare minimum like all other manufacturers. Very impressive engineering and bang for buck.
Subscribed! Excellent review. I appreciate the attention to detail - it's good to see a review from people who know their stuff. This goes a long way to persuading me to hand over $80k for one of these - it's clear the money was spent on stuff that matters.
Learned so much about the Grenadier that I had never heard or seen on the buffet of Grenadier YT vids. One big question Could you please explain more on the double cardan axel/hub joints. I’ve never seen these on a consumer vehicle and don’t understand the pros cons for articulation, power txfr, durability, serviceability, etc. Thanks for the professional insight.
Really great undercarriage review, much more depth than anything out there Lots of good, but some really WEIRD/BAD choices as well! A PLASTIC oil pan?! In a truck with big beefy steel components everywhere else?! Who thought that was a good idea?! And a steering dampener hanging that low and that exposed should NOT be 'par for the course' on a truck this expensive and this engineered for true off-road durability and performance - it looks like there was room to tuck it up higher! Those plastic rocker-panel skirts - they look like perfect traps for road dirt/salt/mud - those are rust pockets waiting to happen. Probably easy enough to throw out, anyway. Lastly, those unslotted read brakes definitely DO do a lot of work in a full-loaded adventure/overland rig, which is what this heavy beefy INEOS is geared towards. Thanks again for putting this up on the lift and taking us through it!
I would look to get the front corner bumpers beefed up to protect the two small radiators in the front. I've seen two videos where the corner was damaged taking out the radiator + pipework. Both cars needed towing to a workshop to get repaired.
Yeah great vid,I've been wanting to look under mine on hoist.i got same color with roof rack,bull bar ,raised air intake,diff locks,tow bar etc,lv it.....fr Pete in Australia. Keep the vids coming
Love the review. Question - I plan to work on a set of jumper cables for my NATO plug - have you determined whether it will work or not, yet? If so, do you mind posting a video?
Take a look at the transfer case cable as it passes the rear of the front drive shaft. My cable was not secured and was hanging down and hitting the hex head nuts on the coupling making a terrible noise. It has the potential to catch and pull the cable off. I caught it in time and was able to secure it. I asked on the forums and there are several people who had the same issue of the cable not being secured from the factory and hitting the drive shaft.
Excellent mechanical assessment. I'm curious what impact a lift would have on the propshaft considering there aren't any uni joints and there's an increased prop shaft angle. Also how durable do you think the uni's are over a CV. Thanks for sharing
Can you double check the fan is a Spal on the coolant radiator in the front bumper right wing? Mine is a General Cab. Curious to see if they are changing suppliers/spec on these things as they go through the production cycle.
I am really enjoying this, but I keep saying to myself: Oh, like an 80 series Land Cruiser. That would be the one to compare it to in a teardown. I think you would be surprised how close they are.
Great overview so thanks. Red winches are manufactured in the UK, not China! ;) I appreciate you’re American, but some more metric usage would be great for those of us not using Imperial. Otherwise, a great channel and products…
Is that a ball bearing in the rear axle housing? From the looks it's not a full float but a 3/4 float, still better than a semi float axle. Can you please post the spline counts of the axle and get a measurement on the diameter? My guess is that these will be close to dana 44's in strength and ring gear size. Finally some actual numbers on this truck and not just marketing bs.
Missed the polyurethane bushes on axle control arms sure all of the RED winch is made in Somerset England . Great review I have been rocking a Trialmaster for over a year now great vehicle.
I’ll check the count. Seeing how the wheel load is carried by the hub and bearing units, I’m going to give it a go as pretty much a full footer wings the possibility a a fail on a drive flange on the hub?
Are the front hubs fully floating with adjustable, replaceable bearings, or are they unit bearings? Landcruisers and classic Defenders have full floaters all round, allowing the rig to safely keep rolling in the event of a broken axle. @@Dirtboxoverland
This guy just resurrected by faith on Ineos. Now if they can only take care of their stupid software niggles and give us a speedo behind steering wheel. That would be perfect.
My guess it’s an evolution of the W463, as you know Magna build the G wagon and they did all the engineering for Ineos , to me they’ve perfected what should have been the replacement for the W463, butter still they put a better engine in it . For all you W463 owners I urge you to test one , you’ll be cashing your 2018 G and getting cash back and owning a better car . I know I did just that .
@user-pg1ud3cs4j My theory is that it was the W-461 line that was moved from Steyr Austria to Hambach, France in late 2022, when the W-461 G-wagon went out of production. I believe Ineos will chase that military business with this same line. The line that built the Gen 1 W-463 and the Gen 2 W-463 along with the W-464 has stayed in production all along.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 I been to the factory in Hambach , it’s no old line my friend . There’s robots everywhere . The G wagons biggest problem was rust and human welding . Honestly this car is designed and engineered by the experts at Magna but it’s 21st century build techniques . My 2018 G wagon was in essence the same car that rolled off the production line back in 1979 rubber fitted windscreen and side and rear window . I cracked mine and guess what the frame was rusting in 14 months . You won’t get that problem on the grenadier , it’s modern bonding techniques .
@@PeterFearon-g8q well the Magna factory in Steyr has about a dozen lines that build everything from Mercedes-Benz G-Class, Jaguar models I-PACE and E-PACE, the BMW 5 Series, the BMW Z4 and the Toyota GR Supra and the almost bankrupt Fisker Ocean. They are some of the most modern factory lines in the world.
I would buy one today but Ineos does not and will not provide a technical service manual! I suppose when you break down in the outback you're just supposed to dial up service and they will come tow you 500 miles to the nearest dealer for service? Ridiculous!
One of the worst cars I’ve ever owned, the fir and finish is appalling, it’s way to heavy and gets stuck literally every time it sees mud, the width is a massive design fault as it won’t fit through farm gates! I owned mine for six month and sold it for a Landrover old school style.
Stuck in the mud? Look at my scanner, looks like yours kept throwing a code. The code was I don't know how to drive even if I have lockers. Show me receipts.
@holdthebeans I know, what I'm saying is the person is whining about nonsense. That even if they knew what they were doing, they still get stuck. Complaining about farm gates, how about looking at the brochure as all the measurements are there before purchasing. I actually don't believe te person bought one.
Sir Radcliffe was supposedly walking through Carrara tractor parts factory for axles, stopped and said “I want those” after spotting them. Those suckers are beefy and should withstand abuse.
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Phenomenal video. Best yet from anyone doing a real undercarriage analysis.
The video I was DYING for! Especially from a guy that GETS IT!!!
One of the better if not the best undercarriage reviews.
We try!
Little wonder that this beast is so damn heavy. It appears to be built to last forever! Unfortunately I am not and at 74 I’m not sure I could take advantage of its longevity at that price premium.
@@Dirtboxoverlandabsolutely the best review! Subscribed. Would you go with a Rubicon 392 or a Grenadier for yourself? Similar price point and debating the two.
Great stuff! I really appreciate that you are applying actual mechanical analysis. I expect your products will be highly functional, technically sound and well tested. Not more of the voodoo (front damper kits) and bullshit JC Whitney catalog fare that seems to be coming from other vendors. 👍
Most in depth mechanical review of the Grenadier which I've come across to date. Cheers from OZ
Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about gets their hands on one! Us technical enthusiasts have been so deprived of walk throughs like this. Just subscribed and looking forward to the improvements you mentioned.
Ineos couldn’t have made an advertisement as compelling as this video … super well done, not just the vehicle, but also the video! ⭐️
This is probably the best video out there that shows what the grenadier is all about: Mechanically sturdy and made to last (at least it seems that's the idea and only time will tell).
I saw a lot of comments around about how expensive is and the lack of some accesories (none of them offroad related). This is what you pay for: Beefy parts. The drawback is weight and that's why I think they did not went with a thicker bumber also.
Unless some weird Achilles heel that would be expensive to fix is found in the future, I reckon they will hold their value pretty well.
The small fuel tank in the operational Achilles heel IMHO. There have been no driving test failures that I’ve seen but such a limited range in factory fuel capacity is baffling.
@@bijano7320 It could be worse... like the "range reduction mod" aka V8 HEMI of 398's Jeep.
Top marks on this pragmatic deep dive. Impressive to see impact zone built into bumper winch area!
So disappointed you didn’t say anything about the heated seats…
There are no other channels that have done near the depth or quality of reviews on this vehicle. Very interested in what you come up with on extra fuel tank and raising that low fuel tank.
Best video of the IG yet! Can’t wait to see what y’all build!
Red Winches are actually machined in the UK out of billet aluminium, and they supply the Ministry of Defence in the UK. Apparently, they're rated according to SAE J706. The contactors are Albright, not Albion; Red Winches also supply these, which I retrofitted to my Warn M8274.
As a former Gwagen owner of 15 years, I love these videos. Keep them coming!
The axles are made by Carraro in Italy. They have made axles for John Deere tractors apparently.
this was fun!! Great comprehensive summary that I haven't seen anywhere else. I am sure you are very confident about this vehicle now. Awesome!
Glad it was helpful!
Must say if you bought one you'd actually feel like your getting good value for money not just the bare minimum like all other manufacturers. Very impressive engineering and bang for buck.
Terrific video mate , plenty of helpful & detailed info for someone very interested in purchasing . Cheers
Subscribed because of how good this video was! Excellent tech detail!
great video and i really appreciated the analysis. Best technical review of the ineos design tradeoffs so far.
Not the video I was looking for but definitely the video I needed.
Red winch i believe is made In the UK 🇬🇧 they supply the military and are a popular choice for winch trucks
Another informative video.
Subscribed!
Excellent review. I appreciate the attention to detail - it's good to see a review from people who know their stuff.
This goes a long way to persuading me to hand over $80k for one of these - it's clear the money was spent on stuff that matters.
Geesh, making me lose me mind waiting on ours! thanks for such a great deep dive.
My pleasure!
Red Winches are a UK company and made the winches in the UK. They are very active on the Ineos forum and discussed all their testing of the winch.
Awesome run through, I’m hanging for more
Best IG video I have seen so far
Learned so much about the Grenadier that I had never heard or seen on the buffet of Grenadier YT vids. One big question Could you please explain more on the double cardan axel/hub joints. I’ve never seen these on a consumer vehicle and don’t understand the pros cons for articulation, power txfr, durability, serviceability, etc. Thanks for the professional insight.
Really great undercarriage review, much more depth than anything out there Lots of good, but some really WEIRD/BAD choices as well! A PLASTIC oil pan?! In a truck with big beefy steel components everywhere else?! Who thought that was a good idea?! And a steering dampener hanging that low and that exposed should NOT be 'par for the course' on a truck this expensive and this engineered for true off-road durability and performance - it looks like there was room to tuck it up higher! Those plastic rocker-panel skirts - they look like perfect traps for road dirt/salt/mud - those are rust pockets waiting to happen. Probably easy enough to throw out, anyway. Lastly, those unslotted read brakes definitely DO do a lot of work in a full-loaded adventure/overland rig, which is what this heavy beefy INEOS is geared towards. Thanks again for putting this up on the lift and taking us through it!
Oh I really want one of those. Just not in my budget at this time. It's like they went through the catalog saying give me the best of each category.
Excellent work, Cheers.
I would look to get the front corner bumpers beefed up to protect the two small radiators in the front. I've seen two videos where the corner was damaged taking out the radiator + pipework. Both cars needed towing to a workshop to get repaired.
Yeah great vid,I've been wanting to look under mine on hoist.i got same color with roof rack,bull bar ,raised air intake,diff locks,tow bar etc,lv it.....fr Pete in Australia. Keep the vids coming
Can you do the same review for the Land Cruiser 200 series, and the new 250 series, and the G wagon 😅
Love this vid so much!!
Love the review. Question - I plan to work on a set of jumper cables for my NATO plug - have you determined whether it will work or not, yet? If so, do you mind posting a video?
Been curious what the ring gear diameters are in these?
Wating Part 3 😊 top review
Take a look at the transfer case cable as it passes the rear of the front drive shaft. My cable was not secured and was hanging down and hitting the hex head nuts on the coupling making a terrible noise. It has the potential to catch and pull the cable off. I caught it in time and was able to secure it. I asked on the forums and there are several people who had the same issue of the cable not being secured from the factory and hitting the drive shaft.
After watching your video the hose hitting the drive shaft is one of the cooler lines and not the transfer case cable.
Excellent mechanical assessment. I'm curious what impact a lift would have on the propshaft considering there aren't any uni joints and there's an increased prop shaft angle.
Also how durable do you think the uni's are over a CV.
Thanks for sharing
When is part 3 coming out. Can’t wait.
Hey! You’re the This Is Breslau Guy! Rad! 😎
Can you double check the fan is a Spal on the coolant radiator in the front bumper right wing? Mine is a General Cab.
Curious to see if they are changing suppliers/spec on these things as they go through the production cycle.
I am really enjoying this, but I keep saying to myself: Oh, like an 80 series Land Cruiser. That would be the one to compare it to in a teardown. I think you would be surprised how close they are.
Is there a way to improve the turning circle without major changes?
no, it has almost the same turning circle as a 70 series, (by about 3 inches)
Two big def fluid tanks fit up in the rear space.
Great overview so thanks. Red winches are manufactured in the UK, not China! ;) I appreciate you’re American, but some more metric usage would be great for those of us not using Imperial. Otherwise, a great channel and products…
Is that a ball bearing in the rear axle housing? From the looks it's not a full float but a 3/4 float, still better than a semi float axle. Can you please post the spline counts of the axle and get a measurement on the diameter? My guess is that these will be close to dana 44's in strength and ring gear size. Finally some actual numbers on this truck and not just marketing bs.
We try to give the people what they want!
Missed the polyurethane bushes on axle control arms sure all of the RED winch is made in Somerset England . Great review I have been rocking a Trialmaster for over a year now great vehicle.
I’ll check the count. Seeing how the wheel load is carried by the hub and bearing units, I’m going to give it a go as pretty much a full footer wings the possibility a a fail on a drive flange on the hub?
Are the front hubs fully floating with adjustable, replaceable bearings, or are they unit bearings? Landcruisers and classic Defenders have full floaters all round, allowing the rig to safely keep rolling in the event of a broken axle. @@Dirtboxoverland
The only complaint I hear is there is no return to centre steering
Have my eldoret blue on blue!!
This guy just resurrected by faith on Ineos. Now if they can only take care of their stupid software niggles and give us a speedo behind steering wheel. That would be perfect.
Who is the MFR of the axles?
Carraro from Europe, tractor axle manufacturer
What I'd like to know is how close is this underneath to a W-461? I have a theory that this is an upgraded G-wagon.
My guess it’s an evolution of the W463, as you know Magna build the G wagon and they did all the engineering for Ineos , to me they’ve perfected what should have been the replacement for the W463, butter still they put a better engine in it .
For all you W463 owners I urge you to test one , you’ll be cashing your 2018 G and getting cash back and owning a better car .
I know I did just that .
@user-pg1ud3cs4j My theory is that it was the W-461 line that was moved from Steyr Austria to Hambach, France in late 2022, when the W-461 G-wagon went out of production. I believe Ineos will chase that military business with this same line.
The line that built the Gen 1 W-463 and the Gen 2 W-463 along with the W-464 has stayed in production all along.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 I been to the factory in Hambach , it’s no old line my friend . There’s robots everywhere . The G wagons biggest problem was rust and human welding . Honestly this car is designed and engineered by the experts at Magna but it’s 21st century build techniques . My 2018 G wagon was in essence the same car that rolled off the production line back in 1979 rubber fitted windscreen and side and rear window . I cracked mine and guess what the frame was rusting in 14 months . You won’t get that problem on the grenadier , it’s modern bonding techniques .
@@PeterFearon-g8q well the Magna factory in Steyr has about a dozen lines that build everything from Mercedes-Benz G-Class, Jaguar models I-PACE and E-PACE, the BMW 5 Series, the BMW Z4 and the Toyota GR Supra and the almost bankrupt Fisker Ocean. They are some of the most modern factory lines in the world.
‼️ Never seen a vlog on undercarriage ‼️
Interesting
🙏❤️ Love from Scotland ❤️🙏
Glad you enjoyed it
Shame the interior isn’t made as well. Lots cheap plastic internally ; no dash. Also just an FYI their factory rock slider rusts after a scratch
Wheel locks on an off road rig 😮
The more I see stuff about the Grenadier the more I like it. Just a shame it looks like a Chinese knockoff Defender🤷♂️
lol, it looks fabulous
I would buy one today but Ineos does not and will not provide a technical service manual! I suppose when you break down in the outback you're just supposed to dial up service and they will come tow you 500 miles to the nearest dealer for service? Ridiculous!
One of the worst cars I’ve ever owned, the fir and finish is appalling, it’s way to heavy and gets stuck literally every time it sees mud, the width is a massive design fault as it won’t fit through farm gates! I owned mine for six month and sold it for a Landrover old school style.
Too bad, sorry you had such a bad experience. I absolutely love mine.
Stuck in the mud? Look at my scanner, looks like yours kept throwing a code. The code was I don't know how to drive even if I have lockers. Show me receipts.
I believe the E lockers can be a bit hit and miss with regards not locking when needed.@@peopleschamp7258
@@peopleschamp7258 The base model doesn't come with lockers though. It's an option unless you get the Trialmaster.
@holdthebeans I know, what I'm saying is the person is whining about nonsense. That even if they knew what they were doing, they still get stuck. Complaining about farm gates, how about looking at the brochure as all the measurements are there before purchasing. I actually don't believe te person bought one.
The best undercarriage video on YT by an experienced CC. Outstanding job!
Everybody saying when it’s lifted, the pinion angle is too low. People are blowing their double Cardon. Also not enough castor
Interesting, anyone else have a comment on this?
It's BEEFY folks.... BEEFY, did you get that?
It's BEEFY!
SOOOOOOO BEEFY!!
Lot's of BEEF!
Sir Radcliffe was supposedly walking through Carrara tractor parts factory for axles, stopped and said “I want those” after spotting them. Those suckers are beefy and should withstand abuse.