TWO FACED: Zelda Tales of the Kingdom | ZELDA's Hidden SECRETS & LORE
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- Who is the Bargainer and what is the dark secret hidden in the depths of Zelda’s past? Unravel the mysteries, the lore and connections, in the first instalment of The Tales of the Kingdom.
Did you know the Bargainer has more than just 2 faces? Did you notice the clue about the Triforce mystery?
This video includes a heap of Easter Eggs and clues for fun and for the puzzle-solvers out there, including hints about upcoming content. One example - “The Many-Faced God” is referring to the multiple faces of the Bargainer and is also a ‘Game of Thrones’ reference.
Did you manage to find any?
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Secrets in the Dark
1:13 The Inverse Universe
3:58 The Nameless King
9:25 The Many-Faced God
15:35 Secrets of the Deep
23:57 The Janus Principle
35:08 Recall
39:20 The Bargainer Defined
VIDEO DESCRIPTION
Welcome to Tales of the Kingdom!
Expect the unexpected as this exploration into the Bargainer, and how it relates to the wider fiction of Zelda uncovers new insights ranging from other mysteries, such as the Demon Horned Statue, to the inverse nature of the Depths under Hyrule. Myths and Religions, development and innnovation - the Bargainer mystery helps to explain the connections between the past, the present and future, giving a new perspective on how this ‘Unfamiliar Hyrule’ might be part of a greater plan.
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THE APPROACH
I hope you enjoy this video. Designed for the Zelda enthusiast, it’s the product of extensive research and care to provide a unique exploration into the undiscovered secrets, lore and storytelling within the Legend of Zelda Series. I hope this inspires others to question the world they are exploring and motivates others to craft their own story.
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ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
Heartfelt thanks to:
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Ω Reversible computing from a programming language perspective, Robert Glücka, Tetsuo Yokoyama, Theoretical Computer Science, 22 December 2022, www.sciencedirect.com/science...
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If Hyrule was destroyed, then the most likely culprit for the destruction is all three timelines crashing together. The radical shift in landscape, which incarnation of a soul gets to stay behind (think Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Tingle, Beedle, ect.), and how certain events are translated would have caused life to be impossible for the majority of souls. The sheer number of poes, and the fact that poes themselves are souls clinging on to life instead of choosing to pass on seem to support that the fact that something abnormal and immense in scale had to have occurred to seperate them from their former lives. The Bargainer Statue then seems to act as a balancing force, allowing souls who are too weak to find a new life to instead pass on in peace. The nature of the Depths as a "holding place" and also the only place that Zonaite is found doesn't seem to be a coincidence.
When the Shiekah Monks fulfill their mission and their spirits pass on, they leave behind green particles that breeze away. The Zonai and those blessed with their power seem to be able to use the same green energy, an energy I can best sum up thus far as "Nature" or "Natural Force". Zonaite then makes the most sense as being a by-product of the poes passing, being their natural life force that embedded itself into the surrounding stone. This would explain its novelty, how the Constructs are able to operate for so long (so long in fact that it surprises Rauru), and even why this form of Force has been hardly seen before. The eyes of the Bargainers seems to have been stolen by the servants of the Royal Family in order to give Poes more time to incarnate, something rather important seeing as the Spirit of the Hero had yet to manifest in the Distant Past. The fact that Shiekah Monks, who have resigned themselves to the practice of zen, are the only mortals seen producing Natural Force upon their passing seems tied to the idea that most souls moving onto the next world aren't fully at peace. They instead burn it in an effort to cling to life.
Given TOTK's role in fleshing out the forms of Force, we now know of the following natures: Light, Shadow, Time, Natural, Spirit, Fire, Water, Wind, Ice, and Lightning. It also seems that Force can manifest itself in a Pure state, as seen whenever Shiekah summon it for various techniques or when it's used in much great quantity in Ancient Technology.
I really like the idea that the eyes were taken by the Royal Family. Makes too much sense.
Really interesting thoughts there thank you so much for sharing your insights. The force aspect is certainly an important element stipulated specifically in the Goddess Trilogy and imbued into the various aspects of the series so it’s really interesting to hear that come up and consider that within the wider aspects of events with your perspective. Awesome stuff 💚💫
A note on ToTK Ganondorf and the snout-like nose: there's one instance where we do see it, that being the Demon Dragon. Another *potential* one would be his mummified form, where his flesh nose is shrunken to a familiar looking snout.
Absolute banger of a video!
Gday Cato! Mate, insightful as always and I have to admit to being careful on the snout references realising the 2nd face might be a stretch for some but you’re bang on as usual.
Might interest you to know I can make out more than 2 faces on Senor Bargainer, and the depictions are all different from each other - quite the curious character. The 2 opposites are (I believe) meant to be the primary views and relate well to that Janus influence, particularly the bridge across time as one facing the past, the other the future. The pig snout face is a jaw drop in how it’s well hidden in the dark and you can confirm it’s present on at least 2 figures - most of the others have that portion buried or backing on to rock. But if you take a different view, you might find more though I wonder about my own apophenia - I swear I’ve got at least one major example that suggests an iteration of the Janus influence, which implies another dimension. This one, is odd…so I’ll be interested to see if anyone notices it.
Back to the dragon and mummified form - it’s interesting to consider how that similarity relates. We know Demis/Ganon are a reincarnation of the antagonist and I’ll stick to my guns on the fact that there’s a story before Skyward Sword, one I believe occurs in TOTK (saying I believe the ancient past with Zelda Rauru and Sonia predates a version of Hyrules Skyward Sword, albeit resulting from it almost paradoxically) but also events prior which I think include the bargainers eyes being stolen. The question there comes down to who and why - and I’ll take a guess it has something to do with the next instalment / future direction of the series as well as delving deeper into the mythos on Hylia.
Love your work and your insight my friend. I make these videos for people like you and this one was a slog - but the enjoyment makes it worthwhile. Thanks for the support 💚💫
Dragon = Courage
Owl = Wisdom
Boar = Power
So far, we've only seen 2 of these transformation in The Legend of Zelda series.
We know the Triforce transforms Ganondorf to a Boar, and the Triforce itself represents power! 🐗
ToTK shows us that, swallowing a Secret Stone, transforms the person into a Dragon! 🐉
The only form that is left and hasn't been shown? *Is the Owl!* 🦉
Each of these transformations was shown through the virtue of the individuals.
Draconfication represents "sacrifice", the giving up of one's mind for the greater wish of the user, enhancing their already current abilities, in favor of a will to be met. Sacrifice can also mean, bravery, which in turn means courageous/fearless.
Using the Triforce gives the user the power of the Gods, having the ultimate power even if the user has no inept abilities. Ganondorf became a demonic boar! And thus wanted and desire the ultimate power from the Gods themselves. This is different from ToTK, who was using the Secret Stone "unlock" what he already had, but at maximum strength. The Triforce however doesn't sacrifice the user's mind, but rather keeps the user's mind, but the overwhelming power from it can corrupt the mind itself, becoming a beast, a boar, of greed.
The last form is of an Owl, which represents Wisdom and intelligence.
I fully believe the final trilogy to the BoTW & ToTK storyline will result in this transformation.
We will see one more newly introduced race that was foreshadowed in the prior games before it "possibly the statues shown in The Depths", and the link to the past, which will be the future of the present.
Interesting to note, the first Triforce piece that is introduced into the franchise, is the Triforce of Wisdom, from the first Legend of Zelda game.
The last representation remaining in the current franchise, the owl, the wisdom, is the final beast and theme that is yet to be shown.
Calamity Ganon = BOAR = Dark Beast Ganon
Princess Zelda = DRAGON = Divine Beast Zelda
???? = OWL = ???? Wisdom Beast
@ZeldaTheoristb211ZTBisHere Could not emphasise how much I agree with this theory and just how well you’ve explained it. A pleasure to read this and I’m very much in a similar wavelength. I have a feeling we are going to see more about the future connecting to the ancient past , well before what we know and that seems in line with what you’ve summised too. There’s a post on my community channel with some interesting snaps including textures and models as well as a couple of hints about ongoing research into the longer term changes I think might have been foreshadowed and part of plans for quite some time so it might be interesting for you to check out. For example your point on the depths - you’ll notice the depths set in there against textures from Gabon’s outfit with some comparative symbology. Zelda’s eye colour has also changed which is part of an ongoing call dating back a while ago now and has become more green reflecting the foreshadowing of her transformation to the dragon based on courage (a video called master theory about a year prior to TOTK). Link has been left with the blue eyes, clearly garbed in blue and his undergarments showing similar aesthetic to the Gerudo patterns which remains unexplained but also a bizarre decision out of context. It does all seem to lead to his journey being one of wisdom, earned through learning about the present and recent past (BOTW) and the ancient past (TOTK) and thus it makes sense the enablement of wisdom will play into the next title. I also noticed Link sporting a double triangle motif and it’s the same on the “Zonai” garb and is within the corners of his Triforce piece on the front cover of Zelda encyclopedia - that’s from 2018 and again preemptively aligning his role upcoming.
Great call - loved this read and hope a few mentions here go some way to a “nod” of agreement. 💚💫
I enjoy your take. Far too many seem to think the statues are evil. I never liked that take, as you covered, based on how the central statue makes use of the Hylia statue. We see that Hylia, or the statues, are acutely aware of the other Hylia statues. It wouldn't track that Hylia would be so chill with an evil presence using her statue. And, for that mater, it does seem as though each Hylia statue has a separate awareness, much like the Bargainers.
It’s funny - I tried to keep it reasonably open ended for interpretation as I’d prefer not to railroad a perspective as you’ve probably picked up, but the generalisation of perception on this one was a motivating factor to try and gently poke the collective consciousness and suggest all may not be as simple as it appears - and being fair - I’ve got a fair bit more to add that reinforces it. This video is technically a third of what I’d planned initially but I cut it down to this section for now knowing how long it was taking in addition to other ones I’ve got scripted / in the works. Its interesting as always to hear the opinions and while I’ll remain open to the other perspectives that come my way, I think there’s been a general oversimplification of elements in this game by certain commentaries that is adversely impacting the overall view of exactly what is going on and how much is on offer to flesh out existing mysteries, connections and story in Zelda. It’s my honest belief Nintendo have tackled the timeline argument head on, and done so with aplomb - in that I can follow what is happening and it’s resolved mysteries from past games is all but forgotten until I trip over them researching another thread in this game leading back across others.
Its a debate I’m not overly worried about in terms of changing someone else’s point of view - but for those who might consider a different perspective, such as yourself, than by all means, it’s worth adding to the collective discussion because it has substance , as opposed to simply spending 5 seconds on something and assuming you know everything it has to say. Obviously takes shedloads longer to do, and not as catchy as a complaint rant, but it does me fine, especially knowing considerate fans like you and others I meet are appreciating a broader discussion.
That’s my long winded way of saying thank you. In fairness, you said you like longer form content so…turns out I do that in written form too.
The next few scripts are bordering 2-3 hrs each and getting longer so I’ve gotta figure something out or it will be time for the next game before I get into any of the good stuff I’m holding back till I can lay the foundation fully. Anyways - glad you enjoyed it, a big fan of your work too 💚💫
@@gamesmiths Thank you. I haven't had as much time to work on my theories as I would like, due to everything wrapped up in being a new teacher, but I'm at least trying to stay current.
As long as we can stave off the Dunning Kruger Effect, I think we will be better for it.
And, I wish I had the time to craft a suitably long reply as you have. Unfortunately I have to get back to my preparations.
I always thought that the Bargainer Statues were strictly neutral entities who were kind of like Charon from Greek Mythology, ferrymen who bring the dead to the afterlife.
@@alexkuhn5188 Right! Same.
The directors/creators of this series do genuinely have a strong understanding of subtext over plain text and the value in ambiguity as it relates to lore/legend which has been reflected in their work for decades. I want you to know that I really appreciate the thoughtful care and eloquence you bring to these topics. The bargainers in this game made me think a lot about your video relating to the fourth segment of the triforce created by the negative space of the other three. The bargainers all feel like some sort of abstraction of a potential fourth deity on the level of Farore, Din, and Nayru that has been omitted from the creation myth of the land but has always been an inevitable player in the overall balance of things, born out of the collaboration of the other three. How that all relates to cyclical happenings and curses is another thing, but I feel like the incarnation of Ganondorf we see in these sister games that form one massive sprawling LoZ epic channels and is aligned with energies/ideologies of the bargainers more than any triforce segment or simply ‘power’.
Thank you for your lovely comment and thoughtful input - a treat to read. It’s interesting you bring up this incarnation of Ganondorf and I’d be remiss not to mention I’ve some thoughts in that arena I’m a ways off revealing yet but from what I’m piecing together I can’t help but feel we are only still aware of part of a larger picture that is acting as a guiding principle for the series overall. I’ve mentioned it to friends before that the best example I could give is something like a trilogy but set within a set of trilogies (I’d dare say similar to the planned Star Wars saga albeit without the same nuances or inevitabilities). Why that’s relevant is down to this feeling that seems to be more than referential - the “unfamiliar Hyrule” with so many coincidental references that are designed to beg more questions than simply acting as Easter eggs but when added together, they start to form around some of the greater mysteries within the series itself almost as if by design. I’m looking forward to addressing more of these in future, though remaining careful not to lead one path over another. I liked your reference to the negative space, and without going into too much detail, this video has 2 other parts I left for another video due to the length, as well as another connection currently in the works I need to edit down from the 3+ hr script I’ve written. Thematically wise though, they touch on this concept more directly and whilst they have blown my mind in unravelling them, I hope you’ll find them as thought provoking as I do. More so, when they come to light, I hope you’ll be able to look back on your comment and see just how insightful it was to where I’m heading. Whilst we all have our unique takes, and that’s something I try very hard to leave space for, the general feel I think is similar amongst many and can coalesce around some of the work the devs have left for us to muse over, something I’m not short of material to cover. Thanks again, it’s amazing to read such kind words and I’m really grateful for the support. Have an amazing day 💚💫
I love the mythology integration... That's really fascinating
Why thank you kindly 💚👍
My mind cannot handle this! Ahhhhhh! Thank you, GS!
Update:
I totally agree that there's this layering of rebirth cycles, which I believe The Great Deku Tree being in the depths as well as the surface implies the world below maybe have been the surface in the past.
I feel like the bargainer is a diminished and weakened state of Demise. The same attitude of exaltation when describing others he feels are beneath him.
Demise didn't value human beings or their minds, similar to how The bargainer doesn't see good and evil, and thinks it's futile thinking.
Great video, thank you!
Hey Knil - always great to hear from you and I think there’s a lot to support that layering concept, from how we see similar iterations of cities and regions in our real world (take Alexandria for example) to what you are talking about with the Deku Tree. Some of insights Keelie brought to the stream last week add to this consideration - significant change over significant time in the environment- and I’ve actually got more to add in future that fleshes the concept out, with one intriguing discovery relating specifically to the organic matter aligned to a period in Zelda chronology that predates anything we’ve seen, based on the associated reference secreted away in plain sight. ; Almost similar to the mirror Triforce and other things to come, it’s not been referenced by anyone yet, but this depiction, along with another discovery I’m itching to get out, are VERY interesting, I look forward to sharing them and seeing what you think.
Awesome stuff as always my friend and sure we’ll have plenty to cover in due time. There’s some hidden takes in this video if you look about - for example - the bargainer has more than 2 faces 😉
i like such zelda videos but i have almost no idea what you were talking about for 40 minutes cuz your calm voice literally put me to metal sleep haha :D
Secret ASMR wrapped in a Zelda channel 🤔 might be onto something there
Awesome exploration here! The way the bargainer spoke through the goddess statue was so striking to me. Suggesting they are just conduits to channel some type of spiritual energy, which begs the question: is the goddess's soul physically somewhere still? Id say the great goddess statue but we were still able to use smaller goddess statues when it was collapsed, yet the Spring statues spoke about it like a unique entity
Thank you and that’s a sensational point you raise. I’ve wondered about the same thing actually and where I’ve landed with the Goddess statues is a little off centre from where most might consider so building the groundwork on that is still a work in progress, but ultimately I think it’s the type of question we need to be thinking about because I dare say it’s amongst others that seem unrelated but do form part of a greater view when piecing other aspects together (speaking personally of course). I really love seeing that thought process though, and in future, I’ll hopefully be able to add more to that discussion and how it very much relates to future titles. 💚💫
Wow. That was deep…I loved it! Nice work!
Heya Jason, lovely to hear from you again and thanks for the ongoing support over the years. Hope you are well and a pleasure to see your smiling face pop up in the comments 💚💫. All the very best and glad you are still enjoying my odd ramblings 😉
I like to believe the Bargainer Statues and Hylia "Goddess" Statues are interconnected.
One thing is prevalent is the use of technology, and the identity of magic.
When you speak to one of the Hylia Statues in ToTK, they said their "link" to the Mother Goddess Statue is severed! And the reason for this is that the upheaval knocked the Mother Goddess Statue to the ground, tipping it over.
Just from hearing from this, it sounds a lot like how Satellites, and Cable/Cellphone Towers being knocked down, and then no signal is displayed on our devices, which serves as a "link" to the main operating system which both the Towers and our devices are linked to.
If anything, this seems that perhaps the Statues of Hylia, and the Statues of the Bargainer are both connected to the same source.
That source sends variants through an interconnected channel, i.e. Statues, in order to communicate with.
It's unknown what is that source? But from my personal opinion? This source relates directly back to the Golden Goddesses.
Notice too, when we see the Golden Goddesses in The Great Deku Tree's backstory of Hyrule in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, the Golden Goddesses are depicted as "statutes". Golden female figured statues similar to an Oscar Award or a Grammy Award.
The use of statues has been used to describe the Gods of old ever since OOT. In fact, older than that, as in Zelda II: The Adventure of Link is the first appearance of the Goddess Statue, which is called Goddess Statue in the Japanese Version of Zelda II, but in the English version, it's called "Trophy".
The Golden Goddesses are depicted as "Trophies/Awards/Grammys" in OOT.
Goddess Hylia is depicted as a Statue with angelic appearance of a female with wings.
The Bargainer Statues and the Goddess Statues, are directly connected to the Gods of Old, the ones who created Hyrule and everything in it.
They are possibly the "link" to the creator/creators, themselves.
As per your other comment- there’s so much great stuff here you touch on that I feel comes in to some aspects I’m yet to cover ; noting this is part of what I consider a theory arc where I’m attempting (possibly not doing the best job of though) to build out a foundational understanding of broader connections, themes and insights to then elaborate on with how I’ve been able to apply those views into other aspects. I say this only to reflect on how I really enjoy your views and some of the similarities which are a joy to read. Love your work and hopefully in future you’ll see where I’ve planned the stepping stones that echo similar sentiments albeit slightly differently as expected. Great stuff and thanks again for your detailed insights and courageous narrative- it’s why I love this series and the various thought processes that help broaden appreciation of the work 💚💫
Boutta binge all your new videos, finally I’m not busy 😭😭😭
Johnny! Great to hear from you brother and hope this finds you well. While I remember - came across a guy doing some interesting retakes on ancient Egyptian archeological interpretations that went well against the traditional views but certainly made for compelling arguments. Very much reminded me of that awesome vid you recommended on the ancient sea people and kinda cool to see the YT platform bringing a different perspective outside the usual media. Don’t have specifics on me at present but knowing you, most likely all over it already.
All the best mate
Jez
Bro I wish I wasn't busy right now because:
1. I wanna watch this video.
2. I wanna work on my theory videos.
3. I wanna watch this video.
Awww mystery - you rock dude. Btw - I reckon Mario theories would be harder based on the lore in those games and it was a great question 💚💫
You know what, I think the easiest one to theorize about is the one you grew up on, I think Mario, is easier to theorize about probably because I grew up with it but when I try to theorize on Zelda I just don't wanna look in every crack and crevice just to find a small piece of theory material, I just find it a little boring, so it's based on the franchise you love and find fun, so thats why us theorists spend countless hours 🕰finding new secrets to the games we love❤🔥 -Way too long paragraph written by-
MysteryTheMysterious🎃
@@gamesmiths You know what, I think the easiest one to theorize about is the one you grew up on, I think Mario, is easier to theorize about probably because I grew up with it but when I try to theorize on Zelda I just don't wanna look in every crack and crevice just to find a small piece of theory material, I just find it a little boring, so it's based on the franchise you love and find fun, so thats why us theorists spend countless hours 🕰finding new secrets to the games we love❤🔥 Way too long paragraph written by MysteryTheMysterious🎃
This video is magnificent! I have no idea how a video this detailed hasn't blown up-
Thanks @lunar9342 - that’s very kind. To be fair, I’d rather have this video, or any I make, reach one person who enjoys it - like yourself - than a million views elsewhere. Im really glad you enjoyed it and makes all the effort worthwhile. It’s because of people like you that I’m not worried about stats like view counts, one nice comment means a lot more than a number 💚💫
@@gamesmiths I just think you deserve more for the effort.
That’s super sweet - thank you. If it helps - I’m humbled and grateful for the support I have. This may sound a little corny, but I’ve seen people on YT, quite a lot actually, become more consumed with their views or subs or whatever metric than appreciating what they’ve got, and I guess I never want to be anything like that. Don’t get me wrong - I love doing these vids, and I could talk Zelda all day everyday ( ask my wife, she will assure you it’s true), but i always thought it would be nice if one person watched a video and liked it, I’d be happy and I’ve held that since I started nearly 3 years ago. It means you value the folks who make your day with kind words, and rewarded by what matters most. I’m realising typing this how stupid I probably sound, but seeing so many other people try their best for hardly any recognition, I’m really quite lucky to get some great people watching my stuff. But thank you though - it’s always lovely to hear something like that and goes a long way to making the longer nights of research or editing or rewriting scripts worthwhile 💚💫
I wish I found you sooner. Your ideas and interpretations of the lore given to us are so interesting and meticulously crafted, as well as your silky smooth voice.
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Why thank you kindly - that’s very nice of you to say. All the very best 💚💫
I didn't understand a single thing said in this video except that the Bargainer Statues kinda fit into that same moral neutral zone the Triforce does. Aside from that, all Latin to me. Still, great video!
lol 😂 I’ll need to do better - point taken and thanks for being honest 💚💫
I just want to say I appreciate your editing style and overall vibe of the channel and I subbed :) Also the other side of the depths statue also reminds me of Jahalla the Earth Temple boss in Wind Waker, I know it's more likely a boar/pig reference but I think its interesting that Jahalla is also called the leader of all poes when introduced in the boss fight.
And I appreciate those kind words. Thank you 💚💫
If you look at the Bargainer's chest you might see the face of the Wind Waker Earth Temple's big Poe boss Jalhalla
Thank you Elizabeth! That’s super interesting to hear. I mentioned in the description of the video there are more than two faces and you’ve brought up one of them i had noticed which is awesome to hear. Loved this - thank you 💚💫
It would make absolute sense to connect the Poe Collectors to the Bargainer Statues. Perhaps the Bargainer Statues are those very same Poe Collectors, they gave up having a physical bodies like you see in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and become a towering stone statue with multiple faces seeking to guide lost souls of The Depths while rewarding the one who collects Poes and brings them to the Bargainer Statue. Poe Collectors could very well transcend physical forms to be corporeal and inhabit statues in spirit form, and could explain their existence within The Depths. I do wonder where the expedition team managed to find and bring back a Bargainer Statue that you see at Lookout Landing. Perhaps it was discovered in the giant chasm that appears not too far from Lookout Landing, since there doesn't appear to be any other on the surface, except for the one trapped under water which nobody knows about until Link discovers it for the quest to return the 4 eyes.
There are some suggestions that like the Goddess Statues, they can move around from place to place of their own free will, or move other statues like it to another place. Seeing as the Goddess Hylia was able to move around the Demon Statue for what it's been doing, it would make sense the Bargainer Statues could also use that same power to move themselves or other statues, or in the case of speaking through another statue to Link.
Thanks for sharing your insights - I really enjoyed your take and curious approach to delve into different directions with this. Awesome 💚💫
Absolutely amazing video GameSmiths! I loved watching it all the way through and even though I have come to expect incredible finds and connections, I'm still blown away. Janus, the dual faced, the reverse of the code, recall and all of the connections made between them were beautiful to see play out. The only thing I could truly add to this theory is a possible identity of "Janus" or the "Bargainer Statue". If this being is a being set out of time and space, it would make sense to be the Goddess of Time mentioned by Tatl in Majora's Mask. It would be a being outside of time and space by warping and controlling it, explaining why it hasn't yet appeared in the Hyrule that we are familiar with. Not only that, but it would explain why the golden goddesses and Hylia are mistaking it for evil and misunderstanding it as "Janus" could be disrupting the timeline in their perspectives but in "Janus"'s perspective, it is simply helping cross the spirits of individuals across realms and times into the collected afterlife. Thank you for the great theory GameSmiths.
Thank you Dan and as always your insights are appreciated and very accurate. I’ve mentioned in a few other comments this had 2 other sections foregone for the sake of brevity and you’ve narrowed down in one interesting side - one that is brought back around to something in Master Theory video too. Appreciated as always and all the best 💚💫
Great video and i like learning about the TOTK hidden secrets and mysteries!
Glad you enjoyed! 💚💫
You think Amos have any relation to the Armos/beamos, aside from being statues. for instance, is the Amos a class of monster made up of beings banished by hylia into statues?
Also, can't say Hylia would be too thrilled to hear you doing business with those statues, even if you do get a sick sword out of the deal XD
It’s an interesting viewpoint and one I believe others are either exploring or plan on discussing so I didn’t really go down that road but funnily enough there is an Armos figure I’ve come across from Twilight Princess that I believe was not used in game but by the model, appears to have been more agile and move differently than the ones we see controlled by the Dominion Rod. The figures also emit the similar pale green glow now synonymous with Zonai energy but also similar to the luminous stones , a connection I believe is intended by the developers and a great example of the greater series arc that (personally speaking) I think is intended and deliberate for us to solve. It’s an interesting question and love the thought process here - I could certainly add more but the concepts are sound in terms of similarities, and references to other tribes, ancient past etc. How they connect? Well I have a theory on that I’m working to and have been for some time, and that will definitely be different from what I’ve seen but it’s worth noting the beamos also featured in Skyward Sword as did a few other direct influences in TOTK so I think you’re picking up some really cool stuff 💚💫
I love your videos and especially your livestreams. Have you ever searched your name though? i typed in game smith, game smiths, etc versions and yours barely comes up :( unless i put in gamesmiths exactly it felt. Anyway, I cant wait for the next video these finds are incredible. Reminds me of Channel Yoshimitsu from dark souls who discovered INSANELY ground breaking translations that reveal huge things that most fans are still unaware of. (we meet father lloyd how crazy is that)
Wow thank you. A lot to unwrap there. Firstly I’ll be sure to take a look at the Dark Souls reference - being a bit of a fan of that series and the fandom there I’m keen to check out the more nuanced views that differ from the norm. Can be hard to find amongst the recommendations as you know and I’ve enjoyed some other niche content there lately for their candid passion more than anything.
As for me, I’ve never searched my channel name tbh so that’s interesting. I tend to have conflicting views on promoting the channel and having kind of believe in whatever happens organically will determine where it goes. The whole process continues to be a learning journey for me and one I’m happy to say is valuable for a lot of reasons. What you’ve raised gives me consideration though of perhaps what I’ll need to review moving forward. I didn’t quite expect to be as fortunate as I’ve been, but you raise great points to consider.
Thanks for all the support and kind words. I often think what I’m doing is a bit of a trainwreck in so many ways so it’s nice to know even the most obvious outputs like livestreams are at least somewhat entertaining. It’s humbling to know people watch or enjoy anything you do 💚💫
Thanks for this great video! I think that the bargaining statues are probably something akin to an inverted version of the Hylia statues, which has some sort of being living in to to help the balance of the world. It's not good or evil, it's just there to ensure that the balances to keep Hyrule's world are in check. Even them helping out poes to reach the afterlife, must be some kind of measure to ensure that there's a balance between spirits of the dead and the living.
Thank you kindly and I can definitely get on board with that view and it makes a lot of sense. Balance is an unspoken trope within the series - from the Triforce to how the stories unfold from era to myth and legend - that rectification within the cycles seems to be crucial to how events unfold so it’s a canny viewpoint you raise and I’m definitely a fan of that 💚💫
@@gamesmiths Yes exactly! The Triforce was always the ultimate balance checker of the world, as it only yields to those who have all three virtues of power, wisdom and courage in check. Although it's been missing (in name) from BOTW and TOTK, it's messaging of how important it is for the world and its people to be in harmony, can't be understated even in these games. While the Zelda series is full of mysteries, these give rise to great peeps like yourself, who make very interesting theories and explanations for them, that make sense. Whether canon or not, I always love my theorist TH-camrs points of views on the more obscure parts of Hyrule and its lore :).
@@Yukieliaso glad they are entertaining and watch this space re: the Triforce. Assuming the next video is the one of the 3 I’ve got scripted and part done, the Triforce will be a pivotal talking point of interest 💚💫
Honestly, collecting souls is less sus than eating pieces of immortal dragons.
Amazing - top joke so far - thanks 💚💫
I have watched so many LOZ theories, and I haven't seen anyone yet make a visual connection to the giant statues and the giants from Majoras Mask. The way the whole torso looks like a face, is the same as mm, to me
Majora’s mask is extremely underrated and I’d have to agree with your point there. I did have 2 other sections to this video I left for upcoming videos as it was way too long and did plan on delving more into some other influences including the one you’ve mentioned amongst others. There’s also some audio cues similar there to the sounds they make and the same when entering the depths which adds to what you’re saying - a great insight and thanks for taking the time to share it. I wish I’d put it on this one already 💚💫
Had to turn on all notifications since I am happily along for the king-sized main and interim videos. Keep up the great work! AND THE END MESSAGE TO YOUR WIFE DUDE THAT'S SO SWEET
Oh wow thank you so much. That’s honestly made my day especially meaningful after a rough one yesterday - I’m so grateful 🥹. And yes,, she’s put up with a lot of late helping me and I’m lucky to have her kindness and care to always remember what’s important.
I hope you have a great day, this meant to so much on a day I needed it most. Keep being amazing because it makes a real difference 💚💫
what if during the escavations of zonai in search of zonite and means of aquiring power they then unearthed demise and thus demons came to be in hyrule and ended the zonai, akin to how unearthing sheika tech almost ended all life in hyrule during ganon's take over, it would be like a cyclical nature of diggin and finding destruction
This kind of thinking is what Zelda is all about to me and I loved reading it. It’s asking a question that makes you think about how things came to be - and for me, that backstory - what happened before Skyward Sword, and what led to events we know now - is the most fun to explore. Top stuff thank you 💚💫
I thought they were the giants from majoras mask
Honestly, same.
I’ve heard this a few times now and was part of this the full video I cut down because it was too long. Believe it or not this has 2 more sections but what’s great is how people had similar thoughts. I love knowing that some other people are picking up the same stuff 💚💫
You've got somw good scenes and great observations.
I think one thing that might help your narration is more deliberate pacing and intonation. At 4:10 for example you have several places where a pause or slowing down a bit would be organic, but you just keep at the same pace. This can make it feel like you're rushing a bit at times, reduce emphasis on certain parts, and also make it a littlw tricky to keep up. You've got a great narration voice so don't be afraid to slow down or vary your enphasis.
Very cool video though. The bargainer statues are my favourite TOTK mystery and not enough people talk about faust or the resemblance to the Poe Collectors.
Great feedback and completely on board. This was one I’d scripted with a lot more content but cut down, and I see exactly what you mean. Thank you for the heads up and goes a long way to helping me improve moving forward. Really appreciated 💚💫
Great work on the video and a cool theory but i can't wrap my head around all this Janus stuff, I just believe the head is too similiar to that of a past Ganon or other "Demon Tribe" member to be anything else- Occam's razor? Would there be any evidence anywhere that could suggest that one side of the statue is not original, and perhaps they (or it rather) was altered, or built upon..? Regardless. Cool stuff. Great images of the bargainer.
Thanks for the comment and completely understand. In relation to the 2 faces, I’ve actually noticed more and I put a note in the video description and one person has noticed another. Love the Occams Razor call too. So where it gets more interesting is that the main head and etched motif is eerily exact with design elements to the depths set. Showing my hand slightly on other materials yet to roll out, the depths set design I’ve cross referenced to textures on Ganondorfs 3d model and the similarity is more than coincidental. There’s more I could add but without a heap of explanation and illustration of other finds, anything more specific would be pushing it. But if you check out a community post I did fairly soon after publishing the video, you’ll see me mention Ganondorf and in that picture I’ve done a collage of sorts that include the depths set and the texture in question for reference you can check out yourself. It could be argued it relates to Ganondorf specifically, but I’d be inclined to think it relates to something even further back in heraldry and has a connection with another direct reference of Links undergarment adorning the same Gerudo stylisation as worn by Ganon in Ocarina albeit slightly different colouring. I’ve pointed that one out before and I’m convinced it’s by design, something to be revealed when the time is right as are other choices by the devs that I’ve been looking into, some of which have now proven correct in TOTK. Ultimately these connections form a greater story for me, but for your own interpretation, I’d suggest the Bargainer’s depiction has been altered, and indeed the fact that only 2 of all the statues have the ability to identify the opposing face, with all other depictions covered by rock or debris or building, suggest something changed over time. I’m pretty sure from my end what that was and why, but hopefully that gives you enough to answer the question without being too directive. My views could be completely wrong on the matter, but I’m happy to share what I’ve noticed if it helps anyone gain a new perspective. But definitely consider the idea there might be more than two faces - you might check it out and think it’s absurd which is absolutely fine. But if you do notice one that I’ve kept quiet on, it would open up a different train of thought altogether. Hope some of this helps and thanks for sharing your thoughts. All the best 💚💫
My head hurts now
😂 Fair call