Expect a follow up video / stream on any questions or comments. Respect to different viewpoints and sharing perspectives as a community. Thanks for your support and keep being amazing 💚💫
This is basically how I felt about TotK's ancient past too when I played it for the first time! This video was very well presented. It makes sense from an out-of-universe perspective that Nintendo would want to reaffirm that Ganon is the series big bad, and try to tamp down on all the Demise fanfiction (people insisting every Ganon(dorf) is "an incarnation of Demise" when that is NOT supported by the text of Skyward Sword). Also, one of the many things I love about Skyward Sword is that it's a post-apocalyptic narrative-- the "earliest point in the series" comes with a lengthy history already. To me, TotK was full of really cool answers to questions posed by Skyward Sword. I'm curious what you think about the potential of the Depths existing throughout the series, unseen by most human eyes. Seeing Mogma statues down there in TotK was just brilliant. Not to mention that Yona and the Stormwind Ark solve the Zora/Rito question quite neatly. The one point of yours I really can't get on board with is your quick aside about the Golden Goddesses becoming dragons, especially since they're immortal deities and probably not meant to be retconned as three random Zonai. I think the spring dragons were probably spring priestesses to the three goddesses, like Sonia was implied to be a priestess/shaman of Hylia. And instead of using the Triforce, maybe there used to be ten secret stones? Anyway, another bit of evidence for TotK's ancient past being before SS is that Rauru and Sonia haven't heard of the Master Sword or even the concept of a chosen hero, when basically every other game including BotW (even Wind Waker post-flood!) showed us a Hyrule that never forgot. I love the possibility that TotK Zelda gave the sages the idea of crafting a divine sword for future generations to use. Once again, great video! Sorry for the long comment but I'm a huge Zelda lore fan and I have a lot of thoughts about the timeline. TotK offered longtime fans so much, and I'm glad I found such a well-thought-out response to it!
No need to apologise as honestly I think it sounds like we are very much on the same page about more than a few little details but more so the overall perception of what Nintendo set out to do and how things are viewed and interpreted. The “quick aside” - I get your point there. I’m not convinced either that it does represent the Golden Goddesses either but that concept itself was a good way to challenge the staid view and generate thought / discussion. I’ve since uncovered a lot more on the Triforce (see the recent mirror Triforce video as a beginning chapter with much more to come on that subject) but I hear your point. In relation to the depths - you are 100% correct with the concept of them existing prior and I keep finding mirror sequences everywhere suggesting it may represent more in terms of a realm but also the imperial regalia references permeating the series. There’s more there in relation to the duality and the bargainer who is also two faced. Recent video I’ve done goes into the dusk claymore and dusk bow - both of which have changed description since BOTW but one theory I keep coming back to as well is how the cyclical nature works throughout the series and how that works in a parallel world method. It’s almost similar to seeing the cycle of Hyrule being sent to the sky, then coming back to the overworld and then, upon each calamity/upheaval that world becomes buried under the falling world collapsing in on itself and layering down to become the depths. Again, I’m not sold on the concept fully but I like the way it mimics similar real world situations such as the city of Alexandria and other historic locations where cities are built on each other. I’m with you though in the sense that skyward sword felt like it started a story midway through and I feel like we are seeing the explanations come through in TOTK. The interviews , when translated correctly, actually support that view too. Overall it’s nice to have someone else see that too - being understood is something we all look for so thank you so much for your thorough reply and I hope this goes some way to acknowledging your efforts too. All the best 💚💫
@@novustalks7525 As someone who's played Skyward Sword way too many times, I just don't think that's what the game is saying. A Ganon-Demise connection of some sort could make sense, but there has never been any textual evidence in Skyward Sword or other games that Ganon is anyone's lackey, or that Ganondorf has a voice in his head making him evil, or that Ganon draws power from Demise, or any of the other assumptions so many fans present as canon.
TOTK's ancient past does not predate Skyward Sword. Rauru is in fact not the first king of hyrule ever. Just the first king of *this version* of hyrule. Hyrule's history never repeats itself, but it sure likes to rhyme.
I actually tend to agree ;) This version is not the same in my mind either, but in that sense, the alternate version of chronology seems to be framing the events of what could be seen as the backstory of Skyward Sword in a different set of circumstances. As for history, in this case, I'd argue it actually prefers to play itself backwards like a long forgotten song from the ancient past...a bit like Ballad of the Goddess is to Zelda's Lullaby 💚🌟
@@gamesmiths aww thanks GS, I just love spending the time with my Zelda peeps! You all love it just as much as I do and that’s so fun to engage with. Also your streams are just fun anyways 😂 so lucky to have you as a friend ❤️
Love your approach. I have been presenting the theory that Rauru's reign took place before SS for what seems like ages. I would be happy for you to look me up on Zelda Dungeon. I have a few theory threads you might be interested in. This is the first time I have heard anyone theorize that Demise came from Ganondorf, rather than the other way around. Interesting.
I can’t give another epic reply due to work etc but there’s a lot of evidence. I’m going to address the mistranslation of the dev interview in an upcoming video as it doesn’t matter how often I bring it up (including with the sources spreading the misinformation) they seem reluctant to address or even acknowledge it. I find it utterly infuriating considering these same sources love headlines and click baiting localisation errors by Nintendo - ones they will harp on about for years , yet they cannot manage to respond to feedback via any medium. Aside from that, blew moly mind when I realised that Demise was incomplete - similar to Calamity Ganon) as the Imprisoned and that it was explained in relation to the influence of the Gates of Time was “perfection” - something forming part of my existing theory arc. There’s more as usual and tbh - I’ve potentially seen you on ZD - I avoid being influenced by other ideas etc, but if I have a theory that’s unique I’ll generally try to see if it’s been fleshed out to the same degree by anyone. Firstly so as not to seem like you’ve stolen the thought process (because that definitely occurs) but also to see if someone’s been able to counter the concept in a way that resolves that thread. For me, as I said, I normally get anxious with a theory because I don’t think them up, it’s a process of following clues left and scratching at connections with lore etc to understand something that leads you down a pathway you don’t know the direction of any where it might go. Like a dark cave it has offshore and forks here and there, with some aspects almost unbearably hard to traverse , but in doing so you find a solid understanding of what you’ve found, and then try to present those findings If they are not represented. Some might be along the same direction, but if the composition of points being raised and considered is different and/or the interpretation is unique in some way, I’ll pursue it more so out of a feeling of obligation than want. I need to know if that makes sense , or if I missed something which can be the case. If there is an argument, is there a counter? More important than anything for me though is how it adds to the glorious compilation of theory material I’ve gathered to explain the full story of Zelda to myself. It’s very personal and so in presenting theories I do stop short of being overly explicit and take a leaf from Nintendo in leaving things open for interpretation and imagination. It’s more engaging and fun - plus it matches my own belief that there can be more than one interpretation and they can be applied together to give a more nuanced view of the artistic side of the craft - not unlike appreciating a painting. That said, scientifically I also see aspects of multi world traversal and dimensional propagation that lends to that multiverse aspect of many world existing at the same time, where occasionally they cross paths which has been said by Aonuma in Zelda Encyclopedia. It’s a schroedingers cat type situation as someone said recently and I like that take. It’s a long winded way of saying I likely might have seen you along the way - I know some people across platforms just by their tone and cadence, even if it’s a different name 😉 It’s always a pleasure to share this passion with another enthusiast so look forward to more chats about n future 💫💚
Same name and profile picture,@@gamesmiths, though it's a different pic on Discord. I can understand not wanting to be influenced, or looking like you are taking ideas from others. I would love to get your thoughts about topics you feel comfortable sharing ideas about. I am really looking forward to seeing what you talk about next.
For me, the answer is pretty obvious: The timelines as we know them happened. At some point, they merged back together into one timeline again and the resulting merging was so catastrophic it destroyed the Kingdom of Hyrule for a time. The Zonai, who are probably offshoot of Hylians who either still lived in the sky even after the other Hylians moved to the surface or lived in the Depths and just never emerged until now (maybe even both, though that’s pushing it), were the same in all three timelines and weren’t as affected by this cataclysm. A long time later, they arrived to the surface to see a post-apocalyptic shitstorm and had to help rebuild everything (maybe they also found some bits of info of the prior timelines and taught it to the Hylians, hence Zelda being able to make that small reference to Twilight Princess in BotW), forming a new Kingdom of Hyrule. Furthermore, in the chaos of the merging of timelines, the Triforce may have shattered into several pieces, which the Zonai found and, not knowing what they are but recognized their power, remade them into the Secret Stones. This would explain a lot of the issues people have. As for Ganondorf’s existence in this timeline, that’s pretty easy to explain away as him being a reincarnation (wouldn’t be the first time this happened). Also, among the info lost during the timelines merging, info about him might’ve been among the history lost, hence why no one recognizes him as the same guy from OoT and the split timelines.
That’s a pretty well explained version of events I could get on board with for sure. Obviously a different tangent from where I’m heading but makes as much sense and well explained. Loved it mate - thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and put that detail into it, a thoroughly enjoyable read perfectly timed. Great stuff 💚💫
Good point - a visual timeline might make it a lot easier to digest and understand so I’ll take that feedback onto the next video and include something to tackle that. Appreciate that input - something obvious that really I should have thought about with this video. Great stuff 💚💫
Great theory but the one part is where Ghirahim isn’t in tears of the kingdoms past neither is the sword so back to drawing board! The past in tears of the kingdom is after skyward sword!! Eiji aonuma confirmed it’s the very beginning of the Zelda series!! And Sonia’s mother will be Zelda/Hylia from skyward sword!!! As Sonia admits Zelda is a relative of Sonia’s bloodline!
Thanks for the comment and totally get your point of view. I'll be addressing more of those questions in the next video. In relation to the Fujibayashi interview, its almost single handedly pushing me to work on a follow up due to how the mistranslation has been widely adopted, yet is completely out of context. This transaltion is from Lorulean Historian, and very much matches what I translated myself, and you can literally get the same outcome checking the Famitsu article with Google Translate in browser - I've seen Nintendo Life using a "translation" from Fami Boards where someone has put their spin on it, implying TOTK in his reply, but that is not the case. He states it's a story of the founding of Hyrule where it has been destroyed - for right or wrong, I'm debating that is exactly what we see occuring by the end of the memories with Queen Sonia Dead, Rauru sacrificed, Zelda going DragonBall Super, Mineru going digital and the sky islands being raised with a palace built to cover the ruins of what was the founding of Hyrule. Skyward Sword has a history before it begins - why is Demise so angry at the gods? How did he end up sealed? And Did Hylia swing a sword and send bucket of islands into the sky and create a cloud barrier with a magic moment that also happens to mirror the beginnings and scene for Skyward Sword. Don't get me wrong, happy for the differing opinions, but the problem with the mis-translation is that it seems to be widely accepted by a community seeking answers when I'm thinking we are discounting what appears to be a possibility? Worth more than a cursory glance in my book. I'm all up for different viewpoints, and complete respect, this rant is not at you sorry, I'm working on scripting the next video and I don't get the time a lot of the bigger ones might, so the Fujibayashi translation is kinda grinding my gears a bit 😂 Anyways, the below is from Lorulean, who inputs a lot of the lore stuff from NBC to Monster Maze and others, so I trust him over me tbh, and the article is at www.famitsu.com/news/202309/06314767.html. Worth 5 seconds to see if you arent convinced. Might not change your thoughts about the theory, but it might inspire fans like you and me to think of a theory that does provide a perspective rather than shrugging our shoulders. Thanks for the time and effort, and sorry if this is a long-winded reply, but it's topical, and one I'll be pointing to in the next video, for whoever does watch by then lol 💚🌟 ――毎回恒例でお聞きしていますが、『ゼルダの伝説』の時系列として、今回の『ティアーズオブ ザ キングダム』は、どこに当てはまりますか？ 『ゼルダの伝説 スカイウォードソード』では始祖を描き、『ブレス オブ ザ ワイルド』で最後を描いていましたが、『ティアーズオブ ザ キングダム』は『ブレス オブ ザ ワイルド』の続編でありつつ、ハイラル建国の話もあるので始祖にもなりえるのかと…………。 --I know this is a regular question, but where does Tears of the Kingdom fit into the Zelda timeline? Skyward Sword is depicted as the origin, and Breath of the Wild is depicted at the very end. But Tears of the Kingdom is both a sequel to Breath of the Wild and reveals the story of the establishment of Hyrule Kingdom, so I wonder if perhaps this is now the origin…? 藤林『ブレス オブ ザ ワイルド』の後の話であることは間違いないです。そして、基本的に『ゼルダの伝説』シリーズは、破綻しないように物語と世界を考えています。現時点で言えるのは、その2点のみです。 Fujibayashi: Without a doubt, the events of this story are set after Breath of the Wild. And fundamentally, we intend The Legend of Zelda series' story and world to not break apart. So I can only say two things at this point. 「破綻しない」という前提があれば、ファンの方々にも「ということは、それじゃあこういう可能性も？」といろいろ考えていただける余地があると思うんですよ。あくまで可能性として話すとすれば、ハイラル建国の話があってもその前に一度滅んだ歴史がある可能性もあります。「ここをこうしたらおもしろいんじゃない？」といった適当では作っていませんから、あえて語られていない部分も含めて、想像して楽しんでいただければと思います。 Keeping in mind that premise of not breaking apart, I believe that there is room for fans to think, “So, then, is this a possibility?” If I were to speak only upon the potential, it is possible that although this tells a story of the founding of Hyrule, it could have history that's previously been destroyed too. We didn't produce this in some random way, thinking “would it be interesting to do it this way?”, and this includes things that go unmentioned. So I hope you will enjoy imagining it! All the best J@GameSmiths
True but that means that the Zonai/the wind tribe, and occa may have been neighbors in the sky. Unless each version sky people were different interpretation of the same race.
@sykune funny you should mention that. Literally chatting with a mate about a larger mystery that has substantial evidence I don’t think anyone realises is on the cards. I’m a ways off covering that but it’s either super coincidental or we are just in the mid game of a wider canon and my money is on the latter. Take note of the quiz question I asked about the ballad of the goddess. If you have the time, google that and reddit queries because funny enough no one has really understood how ballad of the goddess can be an ancient melody before Skyward Sword, yet debuts in the mirror version as Zelda’s lullaby in Ocarina. I believe I know exactly how
I haven't finished the video (still at 8:17) but I wanted to add that there's another evidence that the period shown in TOTK of the Zonai predates skyward sword. A little backstory, I played Skyward Sword HD on the switch after I finished TOTK last year, so everything was still on my mind while playing. I remember in the Lanayru region, there's this game level where you're up in something like the rafters? or a metal walkway. That metal walkway had the *exact* same pattern as the metal grates in totk we see on sky islands (assuming Zonai design). When I came across that in SS, my mind really zeroed in on that coincidence, and I was looking for other zeldatubers that had the same theory, but most of them would shun the idea because of the exact same details that confused me like the imprisoning war, demise predating ganon (most of us assume that), hylia predating zonai, etc. Again, this whole story is from my memory, and I can't tell you the exact game level in SS where I saw that, but I know it was some lanayru factory because there were so many time stone puzzles and robots in that game.
Well definitely on the same wave length there and there’s more to add to support that viewpoint including Lanayru region and more. I have been presenting a collation of ideas and discoveries supporting connections that tend to be a little different which is really fun and something I enjoy and am passionate about and I love hearing the excited tone in this comment at your discovery and conclusions - it’s awesome to make those discoveries and realise you’ve got a perspective that adds more to the conversation - well done! For what it’s worth I’m a firm believer that the best theories come from fans first and foremost and sounds like you’re on a winner. That said don’t be discouraged if it’s not accepted as undoubtedly we all have different perspectives and experiences that frame our views, and it’s cool to embrace that and know you’ve crafted your own special version that some may also love to consider too. Great stuff 💚💫
The only issue I see is Ganondorf. If totk ancient past happens before SS then how does Ganondorf come back for Ocarina or other games as he is imprisoned still?
Well that’s a great question and I guess the short answer is that essentially other versions of “Ganon/Demise” always exist in another iteration but specifically where I’m coming from is that this represents a whole new timeline sequence spinning from the main chronology we know that causes a whole new parrallel dimension. A new version of things that is only possible due to what has happened creating the new timeline and world of Hyrule. It’s hard to explain without going too in depth but it means that everything exists how it has happened, but we have a new timeline in the mix now formed from the existing chronology and the events of BOTW & TOTK that hearkens back to a pre-SS time in that version. It would allow the devs the ability to revisit those eras yet change things up - helping to explain how we can now have the founding of the Kingdom at the same time as The Imprisoning War - because it’s the same events playing out differently due to Zelda travelling back to the ancient past. This would not be possible without the original timeline existing in the first place so it logically applies to a parallel universe. Sounds crazy I know but kinda makes sense the more you break down events etc 💚💫
Another perspective to view one "established" piece of history and what a phenomenal job you did at conveying your point. And this video hits differently, for so long you have tried to make videos better and more streamlined in terms of the editing process and it happened, it finally happened with this video. It was absolutely amazing to be a part of this and I hope you get the great rest that you deserve. As sheik said "Time flows like a river" but Shiek didn't account for the rainstorm of the Upheaval that has changed the course of the series. Thank you GameSmiths! Good luck on your journey my friend!
@@javiervasquez625funny because it sounds like a criticism and truth is a very loose term when you are criticising someone for saying the word perspective. You have thoroughly tried to hit every positive comment on my last few videos - that’s a truth statement
Fantastic video I would recommend showing the images that you’re talking about on the screen for people that can’t visualize/remember what you’re referencing though
There's no way TOTK's past takes place before Skyward Sword. How could you suddenly retcon human Rauru who sealed the Triforce inside the temple of light within the sacred realm which in turn was inside the reconstructed temple of Hylia aka the sealed temple AKA the 2nd temple of time. Then you also have the issue of Hylia herself not existing before SKyward Sword. The fact that humans themselves even exist is a problem because all the humans are supposed to be on Skyloft and just the entire map of TOTK is nothing like what the surface is like in SKyward Sword. All the ancient machines aren't present either and there should be a huge mining operation for timeshift crystals because that's how Hylia prepares for Skyward swords events, creating the Goddess sword and all the timeshift stones. The "founding" of Hyrule with King Rauru takes place long after Twilight Princess, Spirit tracks and Zelda 2. That's the only thing that makes sense.
No single interpretation is without flaws. You could argue a placement before Skyward Sword, after Skyward Sword, or after any of the previous games-and there's evidence that could favor or confound any of these possibilities. We shouldn't talk in absolutes when it comes to theorizing, because none of us have all of the answers. That said, I think you bring up some good points that we should address in the future!
Thanks for the positive feedback and looking forward to that myself. There’s a lot more details to expand on and tie up a few of the remaining mysteries from BOTW which I believe we can now address firmly. All the best and thank you kindly 💚💫
Yeah okay, so Ganon was alive and sealed underneath that castle, while another ganondorf is born, defeated and sealed in Ocarina, to return and be killed in Twilight Princess, all before the first calamity when the Sheikah return from extinction with an army of robots using technology they never had before. That's a wild theory, and more then a bit of a stretch my dude.
@@LordGrim1313 fair call but that’s not the play. Everything happens as it does. Reality splits and becomes redone due to actions past and present - Zelda paradox etc etc. Parallel worlds are in play but not sure anyone’s willing to step outside linear timelines when they make no sense 🤷♂️ so yep all good here too. Agree the explanation on this one was not the best so I’ll cop to that but the fact that Demise is Imprisoned and every other minor detail doesn’t seem to make anyone blink, personally is kinda funny. All good 👍
@@gamesmiths not one piece of actual evidence of any branching timelines in the games themselves because they are just easter eggs that the devs slip in. the only games about mixing timelines and realities are the noncanon ones like Hyrule warriors. Theorizing is fine and all but you are crippling your own theories by staying glued to this archaic timeline. Demise is just a name of a canyon in BotW/TotK. Neither he nor his curse have anything to do with it.
@LordGrim1313 🤣🤣 thanks mate needed a good chuckle. I’m actually not sticking to the timelines, compiled heaps of research and evidence and do this as a hobby for fun. Personally believe everyone should have their own interpretation and not here to convince anyone. Videos have slowly pointed out facts and I’ve actually avoided being explicit so it’s funny to have the opposite come up. All good we can agree to disagree. Have a good one and I’m always happy to chat with someone who loves their Zelda 💫
OoT explicitly states that the triforce was left behind at the point where the goddesses left the mortal plane/the world. This is a good video but a few of the theories are a little out there. I feel TotK really messed with prior lore, and at this point I just consider the BotW games a different continuity altogether.
So what you’re saying is Tetra Force is true and BotW is a fourth Timeline representing the Hollow of the TriForce. A space created by the connection of the connection of the other three timelines that represent different parts of the triforce?
@@risunokairu lol I hadn't remembered about the tetraforce thing. Nah, that'd just be a convenient explanation. I do think BotW is basically its own timeline though. The hero who originally fought the calamity obviously wasn't human, and there was no hero holding the master sword to originally defeat ganondorf either as far as we know in this timeline. There isn't much tying him to Demise aside from his appearance when he's got the stone. The imprisoning war is totally different, and the triforce is nowhere to be seen aside from Zelda's power, as if it almost isn't very important anymore. Maybe the tetraforce thing does hold some merit, with the hollow showing how there's a lack of influence from the goddesses.
Thanks for the feedback. This one was a little rushed compared to my usual and I've got the feeling the captions are inaccurate as a result. I'll take a look into it and try to improve them as it's absolutely important to try and represent the audience needs as best as possible, I also tend to struggle a bit with audio and require captions for assistance so I hear you on this one. Thanks for taking the time to let me know and sorry for the late reply 🌟💚
@@Flynnisthename Thanks mate, I like to think I'm lucky to have people care enough to watch and comment, it's really kind of people to do that and take their time, so it's one of the best things about doing these videos to be honest. As a heads up, I looked into it and I can see what you mean - I did veer from the original script on this one which is pretty unusual for me, but I remember being super keen and excited to get this one out and I was tripping over myself to try and word it. I normally upload my own script with YT Studio and try to sync up the timing, but this one is definitely off from the usual. I did try to adjust but honestly not sure if it's worse with my manual tweak (lol). Please know I generally have a routine where I usually script, rewrite, record, rewrite and adjuts multiple times as I tend to spend way too long second guessing the approach or wording more than anything, so the script normally has at least 10-15 versions before final (overkill for a YT video most likely) and rarely do I go for a more free-form/off script other than a line or two. This one was a rarity in that I tried to just capture the enthusiasm and I have to say it didnt come out the best, so apologies for not making sure it hit the mark quality wise. The feedback is really important and a reminder that a quick video gets published, but a bad video lasts forever. I've actually slowed the current project from trying to get it out on the weekend due to this timely reminder to revisit the approach and try to make it shorter and easier to digest, and (hopefully) more engaging as I really want to hear others thoughts on this one. Awesome stuff and all the best 💚💚🌟🌟
Rauru never says that he founded the original Hyrule. Demise and Ganondorf isn´t the same being, Ganondorf is an incarnation of Demise´s hatred and can´t be before Demise has been defeated by Link at the end of Skyward sword. The Hylians are named after Hylian not the other way. The first founding of Hyrule was by Skyward sword Zelda´s descendants. The Sheikah are much older than the Zonai. The Sheikah eye meaning is "the eye is open wide to seek the truth, while the teardrop represents the willingness of the tribe to go to any lengths to achieve a goal". Zelda´s time travel in Totk don´t change anything in the timeline because is it an casual loop. The three Golden Goddesses aren´t the dragon from Botw and Totk, if they swallow the Tri-force piece then they wouldn't appear in the games. Totk past isn´t before Skyward sword it is after one of the timeline splits or an converging of them. The Gerudo proves that your Timeline placement to be incorrect because of that the Gerudo didn´t have a male leader after Totk Ganondorf and before Totk past all Gerudo had rounded ears with the exception of Ganondorf when he got his hand on the Tri-force of power. Therefore I have to judge your timeline placement debunked.
Hey man, it's okay cuz in the end its all a theory. A fun creative "what if". Everyone's take is unique, so ain't no worries on validating and debunking. All in the love of the series.
It’s a theory. Zelda franchise leaves room for fans to interact and interpret what is presented into what they think may be what is. Nothing will ever be set in stone and if they say it is it will change 😂😂and that’s the beauty of it. We can all have different opinions and enjoy our own head cannons, while respecting others. It isn’t life or death it is supposed to be fun. It’s supposed to bring joy and invite you in to think critically about something that is so heavily influenced by so many things and doesn’t have one “right” answer.
Expect a follow up video / stream on any questions or comments. Respect to different viewpoints and sharing perspectives as a community. Thanks for your support and keep being amazing 💚💫
This is basically how I felt about TotK's ancient past too when I played it for the first time! This video was very well presented. It makes sense from an out-of-universe perspective that Nintendo would want to reaffirm that Ganon is the series big bad, and try to tamp down on all the Demise fanfiction (people insisting every Ganon(dorf) is "an incarnation of Demise" when that is NOT supported by the text of Skyward Sword). Also, one of the many things I love about Skyward Sword is that it's a post-apocalyptic narrative-- the "earliest point in the series" comes with a lengthy history already. To me, TotK was full of really cool answers to questions posed by Skyward Sword. I'm curious what you think about the potential of the Depths existing throughout the series, unseen by most human eyes. Seeing Mogma statues down there in TotK was just brilliant. Not to mention that Yona and the Stormwind Ark solve the Zora/Rito question quite neatly.
The one point of yours I really can't get on board with is your quick aside about the Golden Goddesses becoming dragons, especially since they're immortal deities and probably not meant to be retconned as three random Zonai. I think the spring dragons were probably spring priestesses to the three goddesses, like Sonia was implied to be a priestess/shaman of Hylia. And instead of using the Triforce, maybe there used to be ten secret stones?
Anyway, another bit of evidence for TotK's ancient past being before SS is that Rauru and Sonia haven't heard of the Master Sword or even the concept of a chosen hero, when basically every other game including BotW (even Wind Waker post-flood!) showed us a Hyrule that never forgot. I love the possibility that TotK Zelda gave the sages the idea of crafting a divine sword for future generations to use. Once again, great video! Sorry for the long comment but I'm a huge Zelda lore fan and I have a lot of thoughts about the timeline. TotK offered longtime fans so much, and I'm glad I found such a well-thought-out response to it!
No need to apologise as honestly I think it sounds like we are very much on the same page about more than a few little details but more so the overall perception of what Nintendo set out to do and how things are viewed and interpreted. The “quick aside” - I get your point there. I’m not convinced either that it does represent the Golden Goddesses either but that concept itself was a good way to challenge the staid view and generate thought / discussion. I’ve since uncovered a lot more on the Triforce (see the recent mirror Triforce video as a beginning chapter with much more to come on that subject) but I hear your point.
In relation to the depths - you are 100% correct with the concept of them existing prior and I keep finding mirror sequences everywhere suggesting it may represent more in terms of a realm but also the imperial regalia references permeating the series. There’s more there in relation to the duality and the bargainer who is also two faced. Recent video I’ve done goes into the dusk claymore and dusk bow - both of which have changed description since BOTW but one theory I keep coming back to as well is how the cyclical nature works throughout the series and how that works in a parallel world method. It’s almost similar to seeing the cycle of Hyrule being sent to the sky, then coming back to the overworld and then, upon each calamity/upheaval that world becomes buried under the falling world collapsing in on itself and layering down to become the depths. Again, I’m not sold on the concept fully but I like the way it mimics similar real world situations such as the city of Alexandria and other historic locations where cities are built on each other.
I’m with you though in the sense that skyward sword felt like it started a story midway through and I feel like we are seeing the explanations come through in TOTK. The interviews , when translated correctly, actually support that view too. Overall it’s nice to have someone else see that too - being understood is something we all look for so thank you so much for your thorough reply and I hope this goes some way to acknowledging your efforts too. All the best 💚💫
Skyward sword literally shows that ganon is just a byproduct of demise
@@novustalks7525 As someone who's played Skyward Sword way too many times, I just don't think that's what the game is saying. A Ganon-Demise connection of some sort could make sense, but there has never been any textual evidence in Skyward Sword or other games that Ganon is anyone's lackey, or that Ganondorf has a voice in his head making him evil, or that Ganon draws power from Demise, or any of the other assumptions so many fans present as canon.
TOTK's ancient past does not predate Skyward Sword. Rauru is in fact not the first king of hyrule ever. Just the first king of *this version* of hyrule. Hyrule's history never repeats itself, but it sure likes to rhyme.
I actually tend to agree ;) This version is not the same in my mind either, but in that sense, the alternate version of chronology seems to be framing the events of what could be seen as the backstory of Skyward Sword in a different set of circumstances.
As for history, in this case, I'd argue it actually prefers to play itself backwards like a long forgotten song from the ancient past...a bit like Ballad of the Goddess is to Zelda's Lullaby 💚🌟
Great video GS! Loved it!
Carrieeeeee!!!
@@ogOAFgaming Oafffff!!!!! 🤣❤️
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks Carrie for all your input and lore call outs in stream. A true gift having you as a friend 💚💫
@@gamesmiths aww thanks GS, I just love spending the time with my Zelda peeps! You all love it just as much as I do and that’s so fun to engage with. Also your streams are just fun anyways 😂 so lucky to have you as a friend ❤️
Love your approach. I have been presenting the theory that Rauru's reign took place before SS for what seems like ages. I would be happy for you to look me up on Zelda Dungeon. I have a few theory threads you might be interested in.
This is the first time I have heard anyone theorize that Demise came from Ganondorf, rather than the other way around. Interesting.
I can’t give another epic reply due to work etc but there’s a lot of evidence. I’m going to address the mistranslation of the dev interview in an upcoming video as it doesn’t matter how often I bring it up (including with the sources spreading the misinformation) they seem reluctant to address or even acknowledge it. I find it utterly infuriating considering these same sources love headlines and click baiting localisation errors by Nintendo - ones they will harp on about for years , yet they cannot manage to respond to feedback via any medium.
Aside from that, blew moly mind when I realised that Demise was incomplete - similar to Calamity Ganon) as the Imprisoned and that it was explained in relation to the influence of the Gates of Time was “perfection” - something forming part of my existing theory arc.
There’s more as usual and tbh - I’ve potentially seen you on ZD - I avoid being influenced by other ideas etc, but if I have a theory that’s unique I’ll generally try to see if it’s been fleshed out to the same degree by anyone. Firstly so as not to seem like you’ve stolen the thought process (because that definitely occurs) but also to see if someone’s been able to counter the concept in a way that resolves that thread. For me, as I said, I normally get anxious with a theory because I don’t think them up, it’s a process of following clues left and scratching at connections with lore etc to understand something that leads you down a pathway you don’t know the direction of any where it might go. Like a dark cave it has offshore and forks here and there, with some aspects almost unbearably hard to traverse , but in doing so you find a solid understanding of what you’ve found, and then try to present those findings If they are not represented. Some might be along the same direction, but if the composition of points being raised and considered is different and/or the interpretation is unique in some way, I’ll pursue it more so out of a feeling of obligation than want. I need to know if that makes sense , or if I missed something which can be the case. If there is an argument, is there a counter? More important than anything for me though is how it adds to the glorious compilation of theory material I’ve gathered to explain the full story of Zelda to myself. It’s very personal and so in presenting theories I do stop short of being overly explicit and take a leaf from Nintendo in leaving things open for interpretation and imagination. It’s more engaging and fun - plus it matches my own belief that there can be more than one interpretation and they can be applied together to give a more nuanced view of the artistic side of the craft - not unlike appreciating a painting. That said, scientifically I also see aspects of multi world traversal and dimensional propagation that lends to that multiverse aspect of many world existing at the same time, where occasionally they cross paths which has been said by Aonuma in Zelda Encyclopedia. It’s a schroedingers cat type situation as someone said recently and I like that take.
It’s a long winded way of saying I likely might have seen you along the way - I know some people across platforms just by their tone and cadence, even if it’s a different name 😉
It’s always a pleasure to share this passion with another enthusiast so look forward to more chats about n future 💫💚
Same name and profile picture,@@gamesmiths, though it's a different pic on Discord. I can understand not wanting to be influenced, or looking like you are taking ideas from others. I would love to get your thoughts about topics you feel comfortable sharing ideas about.
I am really looking forward to seeing what you talk about next.
For me, the answer is pretty obvious:
The timelines as we know them happened. At some point, they merged back together into one timeline again and the resulting merging was so catastrophic it destroyed the Kingdom of Hyrule for a time. The Zonai, who are probably offshoot of Hylians who either still lived in the sky even after the other Hylians moved to the surface or lived in the Depths and just never emerged until now (maybe even both, though that’s pushing it), were the same in all three timelines and weren’t as affected by this cataclysm. A long time later, they arrived to the surface to see a post-apocalyptic shitstorm and had to help rebuild everything (maybe they also found some bits of info of the prior timelines and taught it to the Hylians, hence Zelda being able to make that small reference to Twilight Princess in BotW), forming a new Kingdom of Hyrule.
Furthermore, in the chaos of the merging of timelines, the Triforce may have shattered into several pieces, which the Zonai found and, not knowing what they are but recognized their power, remade them into the Secret Stones.
This would explain a lot of the issues people have.
As for Ganondorf’s existence in this timeline, that’s pretty easy to explain away as him being a reincarnation (wouldn’t be the first time this happened). Also, among the info lost during the timelines merging, info about him might’ve been among the history lost, hence why no one recognizes him as the same guy from OoT and the split timelines.
That’s a pretty well explained version of events I could get on board with for sure. Obviously a different tangent from where I’m heading but makes as much sense and well explained. Loved it mate - thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and put that detail into it, a thoroughly enjoyable read perfectly timed. Great stuff 💚💫
@@gamesmiths
Glad to hear you like it.
I need to see your Zelda timeline
Good point - a visual timeline might make it a lot easier to digest and understand so I’ll take that feedback onto the next video and include something to tackle that. Appreciate that input - something obvious that really I should have thought about with this video. Great stuff 💚💫
Great theory but the one part is where Ghirahim isn’t in tears of the kingdoms past neither is the sword so back to drawing board! The past in tears of the kingdom is after skyward sword!! Eiji aonuma confirmed it’s the very beginning of the Zelda series!! And Sonia’s mother will be Zelda/Hylia from skyward sword!!! As Sonia admits Zelda is a relative of Sonia’s bloodline!
Thanks for the comment and totally get your point of view. I'll be addressing more of those questions in the next video. In relation to the Fujibayashi interview, its almost single handedly pushing me to work on a follow up due to how the mistranslation has been widely adopted, yet is completely out of context. This transaltion is from Lorulean Historian, and very much matches what I translated myself, and you can literally get the same outcome checking the Famitsu article with Google Translate in browser - I've seen Nintendo Life using a "translation" from Fami Boards where someone has put their spin on it, implying TOTK in his reply, but that is not the case. He states it's a story of the founding of Hyrule where it has been destroyed - for right or wrong, I'm debating that is exactly what we see occuring by the end of the memories with Queen Sonia Dead, Rauru sacrificed, Zelda going DragonBall Super, Mineru going digital and the sky islands being raised with a palace built to cover the ruins of what was the founding of Hyrule. Skyward Sword has a history before it begins - why is Demise so angry at the gods? How did he end up sealed? And Did Hylia swing a sword and send bucket of islands into the sky and create a cloud barrier with a magic moment that also happens to mirror the beginnings and scene for Skyward Sword. Don't get me wrong, happy for the differing opinions, but the problem with the mis-translation is that it seems to be widely accepted by a community seeking answers when I'm thinking we are discounting what appears to be a possibility? Worth more than a cursory glance in my book.
I'm all up for different viewpoints, and complete respect, this rant is not at you sorry, I'm working on scripting the next video and I don't get the time a lot of the bigger ones might, so the Fujibayashi translation is kinda grinding my gears a bit 😂
Anyways, the below is from Lorulean, who inputs a lot of the lore stuff from NBC to Monster Maze and others, so I trust him over me tbh, and the article is at www.famitsu.com/news/202309/06314767.html. Worth 5 seconds to see if you arent convinced. Might not change your thoughts about the theory, but it might inspire fans like you and me to think of a theory that does provide a perspective rather than shrugging our shoulders.
Thanks for the time and effort, and sorry if this is a long-winded reply, but it's topical, and one I'll be pointing to in the next video, for whoever does watch by then lol 💚🌟
――毎回恒例でお聞きしていますが、『ゼルダの伝説』の時系列として、今回の『ティアーズオブ ザ キングダム』は、どこに当てはまりますか？ 『ゼルダの伝説 スカイウォードソード』では始祖を描き、『ブレス オブ ザ ワイルド』で最後を描いていましたが、『ティアーズオブ ザ キングダム』は『ブレス オブ ザ ワイルド』の続編でありつつ、ハイラル建国の話もあるので始祖にもなりえるのかと…………。
--I know this is a regular question, but where does Tears of the Kingdom fit into the Zelda timeline? Skyward Sword is depicted as the origin, and Breath of the Wild is depicted at the very end. But Tears of the Kingdom is both a sequel to Breath of the Wild and reveals the story of the establishment of Hyrule Kingdom, so I wonder if perhaps this is now the origin…?
藤林『ブレス オブ ザ ワイルド』の後の話であることは間違いないです。そして、基本的に『ゼルダの伝説』シリーズは、破綻しないように物語と世界を考えています。現時点で言えるのは、その2点のみです。
Fujibayashi: Without a doubt, the events of this story are set after Breath of the Wild. And fundamentally, we intend The Legend of Zelda series' story and world to not break apart. So I can only say two things at this point.
「破綻しない」という前提があれば、ファンの方々にも「ということは、それじゃあこういう可能性も？」といろいろ考えていただける余地があると思うんですよ。あくまで可能性として話すとすれば、ハイラル建国の話があってもその前に一度滅んだ歴史がある可能性もあります。「ここをこうしたらおもしろいんじゃない？」といった適当では作っていませんから、あえて語られていない部分も含めて、想像して楽しんでいただければと思います。
Keeping in mind that premise of not breaking apart, I believe that there is room for fans to think, “So, then, is this a possibility?” If I were to speak only upon the potential, it is possible that although this tells a story of the founding of Hyrule, it could have history that's previously been destroyed too. We didn't produce this in some random way, thinking “would it be interesting to do it this way?”, and this includes things that go unmentioned. So I hope you will enjoy imagining it!
All the best
J@GameSmiths
True but that means that the Zonai/the wind tribe, and occa may have been neighbors in the sky. Unless each version sky people were different interpretation of the same race.
@sykune funny you should mention that. Literally chatting with a mate about a larger mystery that has substantial evidence I don’t think anyone realises is on the cards. I’m a ways off covering that but it’s either super coincidental or we are just in the mid game of a wider canon and my money is on the latter. Take note of the quiz question I asked about the ballad of the goddess. If you have the time, google that and reddit queries because funny enough no one has really understood how ballad of the goddess can be an ancient melody before Skyward Sword, yet debuts in the mirror version as Zelda’s lullaby in Ocarina. I believe I know exactly how
One Word: Perfect! The Oaflings and I are so freaking blown away, and not a dry eye! Love ya man! Keep it up!!
I haven't finished the video (still at 8:17) but I wanted to add that there's another evidence that the period shown in TOTK of the Zonai predates skyward sword. A little backstory, I played Skyward Sword HD on the switch after I finished TOTK last year, so everything was still on my mind while playing. I remember in the Lanayru region, there's this game level where you're up in something like the rafters? or a metal walkway. That metal walkway had the *exact* same pattern as the metal grates in totk we see on sky islands (assuming Zonai design). When I came across that in SS, my mind really zeroed in on that coincidence, and I was looking for other zeldatubers that had the same theory, but most of them would shun the idea because of the exact same details that confused me like the imprisoning war, demise predating ganon (most of us assume that), hylia predating zonai, etc. Again, this whole story is from my memory, and I can't tell you the exact game level in SS where I saw that, but I know it was some lanayru factory because there were so many time stone puzzles and robots in that game.
Well definitely on the same wave length there and there’s more to add to support that viewpoint including Lanayru region and more. I have been presenting a collation of ideas and discoveries supporting connections that tend to be a little different which is really fun and something I enjoy and am passionate about and I love hearing the excited tone in this comment at your discovery and conclusions - it’s awesome to make those discoveries and realise you’ve got a perspective that adds more to the conversation - well done! For what it’s worth I’m a firm believer that the best theories come from fans first and foremost and sounds like you’re on a winner. That said don’t be discouraged if it’s not accepted as undoubtedly we all have different perspectives and experiences that frame our views, and it’s cool to embrace that and know you’ve crafted your own special version that some may also love to consider too. Great stuff 💚💫
The only issue I see is Ganondorf. If totk ancient past happens before SS then how does Ganondorf come back for Ocarina or other games as he is imprisoned still?
Well that’s a great question and I guess the short answer is that essentially other versions of “Ganon/Demise” always exist in another iteration but specifically where I’m coming from is that this represents a whole new timeline sequence spinning from the main chronology we know that causes a whole new parrallel dimension. A new version of things that is only possible due to what has happened creating the new timeline and world of Hyrule. It’s hard to explain without going too in depth but it means that everything exists how it has happened, but we have a new timeline in the mix now formed from the existing chronology and the events of BOTW & TOTK that hearkens back to a pre-SS time in that version. It would allow the devs the ability to revisit those eras yet change things up - helping to explain how we can now have the founding of the Kingdom at the same time as The Imprisoning War - because it’s the same events playing out differently due to Zelda travelling back to the ancient past. This would not be possible without the original timeline existing in the first place so it logically applies to a parallel universe. Sounds crazy I know but kinda makes sense the more you break down events etc 💚💫
Another perspective to view one "established" piece of history and what a phenomenal job you did at conveying your point. And this video hits differently, for so long you have tried to make videos better and more streamlined in terms of the editing process and it happened, it finally happened with this video. It was absolutely amazing to be a part of this and I hope you get the great rest that you deserve. As sheik said "Time flows like a river" but Shiek didn't account for the rainstorm of the Upheaval that has changed the course of the series. Thank you GameSmiths! Good luck on your journey my friend!
@@javiervasquez625 It's simply a metaphor and a call back. But, thank you for the critiques.
@@javiervasquez625funny because it sounds like a criticism and truth is a very loose term when you are criticising someone for saying the word perspective. You have thoroughly tried to hit every positive comment on my last few videos - that’s a truth statement
Fantastic video I would recommend showing the images that you’re talking about on the screen for people that can’t visualize/remember what you’re referencing though
Thanks for the feedback and taken on board, greatly appreciated 🌟💚
It is not before skyward sword. It's made pretty obvious that it's set millenia after all the other games
There's no way TOTK's past takes place before Skyward Sword. How could you suddenly retcon human Rauru who sealed the Triforce inside the temple of light within the sacred realm which in turn was inside the reconstructed temple of Hylia aka the sealed temple AKA the 2nd temple of time. Then you also have the issue of Hylia herself not existing before SKyward Sword. The fact that humans themselves even exist is a problem because all the humans are supposed to be on Skyloft and just the entire map of TOTK is nothing like what the surface is like in SKyward Sword. All the ancient machines aren't present either and there should be a huge mining operation for timeshift crystals because that's how Hylia prepares for Skyward swords events, creating the Goddess sword and all the timeshift stones.
The "founding" of Hyrule with King Rauru takes place long after Twilight Princess, Spirit tracks and Zelda 2. That's the only thing that makes sense.
Bro wrote an essay☠
@@MysteryTheMysterious If this is an essay to you then I have to assume you've never attended a College.
Plus it was a joke bruh, I was saying that because you have a long comment
@@nworder4life
No single interpretation is without flaws. You could argue a placement before Skyward Sword, after Skyward Sword, or after any of the previous games-and there's evidence that could favor or confound any of these possibilities. We shouldn't talk in absolutes when it comes to theorizing, because none of us have all of the answers. That said, I think you bring up some good points that we should address in the future!
@@theloruleanhistorian sup dewd
super interesting unique opinion as always! can't wait for part 2!!
Thanks for the positive feedback and looking forward to that myself. There’s a lot more details to expand on and tie up a few of the remaining mysteries from BOTW which I believe we can now address firmly. All the best and thank you kindly 💚💫
Yeah okay, so Ganon was alive and sealed underneath that castle, while another ganondorf is born, defeated and sealed in Ocarina, to return and be killed in Twilight Princess, all before the first calamity when the Sheikah return from extinction with an army of robots using technology they never had before. That's a wild theory, and more then a bit of a stretch my dude.
@@LordGrim1313 fair call but that’s not the play. Everything happens as it does. Reality splits and becomes redone due to actions past and present - Zelda paradox etc etc. Parallel worlds are in play but not sure anyone’s willing to step outside linear timelines when they make no sense 🤷♂️ so yep all good here too. Agree the explanation on this one was not the best so I’ll cop to that but the fact that Demise is Imprisoned and every other minor detail doesn’t seem to make anyone blink, personally is kinda funny. All good 👍
@@gamesmiths not one piece of actual evidence of any branching timelines in the games themselves because they are just easter eggs that the devs slip in. the only games about mixing timelines and realities are the noncanon ones like Hyrule warriors. Theorizing is fine and all but you are crippling your own theories by staying glued to this archaic timeline.
Demise is just a name of a canyon in BotW/TotK. Neither he nor his curse have anything to do with it.
@LordGrim1313 🤣🤣 thanks mate needed a good chuckle. I’m actually not sticking to the timelines, compiled heaps of research and evidence and do this as a hobby for fun. Personally believe everyone should have their own interpretation and not here to convince anyone. Videos have slowly pointed out facts and I’ve actually avoided being explicit so it’s funny to have the opposite come up. All good we can agree to disagree. Have a good one and I’m always happy to chat with someone who loves their Zelda 💫
OoT explicitly states that the triforce was left behind at the point where the goddesses left the mortal plane/the world. This is a good video but a few of the theories are a little out there. I feel TotK really messed with prior lore, and at this point I just consider the BotW games a different continuity altogether.
So what you’re saying is Tetra Force is true and BotW is a fourth Timeline representing the Hollow of the TriForce. A space created by the connection of the connection of the other three timelines that represent different parts of the triforce?
@@risunokairu lol I hadn't remembered about the tetraforce thing. Nah, that'd just be a convenient explanation. I do think BotW is basically its own timeline though. The hero who originally fought the calamity obviously wasn't human, and there was no hero holding the master sword to originally defeat ganondorf either as far as we know in this timeline. There isn't much tying him to Demise aside from his appearance when he's got the stone. The imprisoning war is totally different, and the triforce is nowhere to be seen aside from Zelda's power, as if it almost isn't very important anymore. Maybe the tetraforce thing does hold some merit, with the hollow showing how there's a lack of influence from the goddesses.
Hey your captions aren’t properly sinked up! It makes the video a lot more confusing for those of us with hearing/audio processing disorders
I also don’t think they’re entirely accurate
Thanks for the feedback. This one was a little rushed compared to my usual and I've got the feeling the captions are inaccurate as a result. I'll take a look into it and try to improve them as it's absolutely important to try and represent the audience needs as best as possible, I also tend to struggle a bit with audio and require captions for assistance so I hear you on this one. Thanks for taking the time to let me know and sorry for the late reply 🌟💚
@@gamesmiths all good man! It’s awesome to see a creator actually listen to their fan base.
You definitely just gained a new subscriber
@@Flynnisthename Thanks mate, I like to think I'm lucky to have people care enough to watch and comment, it's really kind of people to do that and take their time, so it's one of the best things about doing these videos to be honest.
As a heads up, I looked into it and I can see what you mean - I did veer from the original script on this one which is pretty unusual for me, but I remember being super keen and excited to get this one out and I was tripping over myself to try and word it. I normally upload my own script with YT Studio and try to sync up the timing, but this one is definitely off from the usual. I did try to adjust but honestly not sure if it's worse with my manual tweak (lol).
Please know I generally have a routine where I usually script, rewrite, record, rewrite and adjuts multiple times as I tend to spend way too long second guessing the approach or wording more than anything, so the script normally has at least 10-15 versions before final (overkill for a YT video most likely) and rarely do I go for a more free-form/off script other than a line or two. This one was a rarity in that I tried to just capture the enthusiasm and I have to say it didnt come out the best, so apologies for not making sure it hit the mark quality wise.
The feedback is really important and a reminder that a quick video gets published, but a bad video lasts forever. I've actually slowed the current project from trying to get it out on the weekend due to this timely reminder to revisit the approach and try to make it shorter and easier to digest, and (hopefully) more engaging as I really want to hear others thoughts on this one.
Awesome stuff and all the best 💚💚🌟🌟
Rauru never says that he founded the original Hyrule.
Demise and Ganondorf isn´t the same being, Ganondorf is an incarnation of Demise´s hatred and can´t be before Demise has been defeated by Link at the end of Skyward sword.
The Hylians are named after Hylian not the other way.
The first founding of Hyrule was by Skyward sword Zelda´s descendants.
The Sheikah are much older than the Zonai.
The Sheikah eye meaning is "the eye is open wide to seek the truth, while the teardrop represents the willingness of the tribe to go to any lengths to achieve a goal".
Zelda´s time travel in Totk don´t change anything in the timeline because is it an casual loop.
The three Golden Goddesses aren´t the dragon from Botw and Totk, if they swallow the Tri-force piece then they wouldn't appear in the games.
Totk past isn´t before Skyward sword it is after one of the timeline splits or an converging of them.
The Gerudo proves that your Timeline placement to be incorrect because of that the Gerudo didn´t have a male leader after Totk Ganondorf and before Totk past all Gerudo had rounded ears with the exception of Ganondorf when he got his hand on the Tri-force of power.
Therefore I have to judge your timeline placement debunked.
Hey man, it's okay cuz in the end its all a theory. A fun creative "what if". Everyone's take is unique, so ain't no worries on validating and debunking. All in the love of the series.
Your perspective and input are appreciated. Have a great day 💚💫
It’s a theory. Zelda franchise leaves room for fans to interact and interpret what is presented into what they think may be what is. Nothing will ever be set in stone and if they say it is it will change 😂😂and that’s the beauty of it. We can all have different opinions and enjoy our own head cannons, while respecting others.
It isn’t life or death it is supposed to be fun. It’s supposed to bring joy and invite you in to think critically about something that is so heavily influenced by so many things and doesn’t have one “right” answer.