Phantom Paper Jam - Fix Epson Printer Paper Loaded Halfway then Fake Jam

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  • @wendiwasson7017
    @wendiwasson7017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks so much!! The little black light blocker piece hadn't dropped into place. You saved me smashing the printer out of endless frustration.

  • @pinkflamingo3979
    @pinkflamingo3979 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There were a number of videos to choose from on this topic. I selected yours because your Phantom Paper Jam title was exactly how I was feeling! Now I'm actually going to watch the video -- but you get the thumbs up just for the title. ~ xo

  • @sfeckete
    @sfeckete 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    THANK YOU for posting. Turns out mine was caused by the clear plastic strip (runs along the belt) had come detached on the right side from the notch. Reattached and everything works well!

    • @andyatmosphere
      @andyatmosphere ปีที่แล้ว

      Crazy! Did you take it apart to see this issue.?

  • @kellyb8281
    @kellyb8281 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you so much Kevin! I was ready to go all out "Office Space" on this printer and you saved it.

  • @carriehuman
    @carriehuman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Kevin! I've been struggling with this for days and into 2.5 minutes of watching your video it's fixed!

  • @jprsha
    @jprsha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TY! Found the center sensor out of position, popped in back in place and we're back in business again!

    • @chasehayes2801
      @chasehayes2801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you have anytips for someone who doesnt know how to pop it back in

  • @XxNoxx24
    @XxNoxx24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Kevin I have a et 8500 and I just can not find the sensor. Please help if you can

  • @williammorrison435
    @williammorrison435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super helpful ....only one I've found that actually told me anything...

  • @Spaceman-y4n
    @Spaceman-y4n 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hey kevin! i need your help! i have a WF-7610 and it only paper jams when i have it on premium matte or on high quality print. do you know what would cause that? how i would go about fixing it?

    • @sokolimo7949
      @sokolimo7949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sama seperti kasus printer saya Epson l1455 juga.apakah ada solusinya

    • @ricardoalba1703
      @ricardoalba1703 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am having same issue. Prints fine under regular settings but when I try high quality print it says paper jam after feeding a bit

    • @SDZAE1
      @SDZAE1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am having the same problem. WF 7610 will not print on other settings, besides plain white. Paper Jams!

    • @eXpansiveconsciousness
      @eXpansiveconsciousness หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have the exact same problem with my 7610. Anyone know how to fix it?

  • @patriciataylor1925
    @patriciataylor1925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hear a clicking noise when printing from tray 2 on my wf7720 but other trays prints just fine with no noise. The error message says "no paper in cassette 2" but it clearly is. I pull out tray and see the paper is jammed but it doesn't give me an error message that says "paper jam". How I fix that? It seems like a false reading telling me it's out of paper but it's actually a paper jam issue.

  • @pr7915
    @pr7915 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hello Kevin, my Epson WF7710 pulls regular copy paper fine, but when it comes to card stock or (1) sided photo paper it'll get jam. Opening the back it's ALWAY bent on the RIGHT (looking into the back of the printer). i have photos - please HELP!!! wasted 20+ photo paper. Also i've printed many of these same prints and it starting to jam !!!

    • @pr7915
      @pr7915 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      sorry - the paper sensor is in place

    • @Eaglesmount49
      @Eaglesmount49 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Having the same issue. Wf 7710 Prints regular copy but will not print any other type paper. Will say jam but no jam. Prints halfway then says paper jam.

  • @trishararu2356
    @trishararu2356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks have an epson ET 3600 and paper jam message kept on coming , tried everything but i opened the top then switched it on and it worked ! not really sure whether staring at it angrily made it work !

  • @philipmorvitz4313
    @philipmorvitz4313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, Hitting Stop repeatedly to resolve fax issue solved the problem.

  • @filomenamitchell8050
    @filomenamitchell8050 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!

  • @castillotorres89
    @castillotorres89 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Kevin! My issue is explained in your video at 2:08. That little sensor is broken. What is it called? I didn’t see it on your website

  • @marymelendez8333
    @marymelendez8333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am having problems with a Epson WF 2850 . The message is the same paper jam. Are you able to recommend me something to do ?

  • @lindanewman2273
    @lindanewman2273 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. Finally!!!!!! I found a small round label blocking the center PE sensor (even though the user said she could account for all labels and none were missing). The label was white and looked like a part (very small). So I grabbed a small screw driver (like in your video 2:04). I was this close to throwing this printer out the window!!!!

  • @juliebraga1130
    @juliebraga1130 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would you have happen to have a video for same issue but on a Epson 2720 instead?

  • @shannonlawtum
    @shannonlawtum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!!! You just saved me so many more hours of frustration with my fake paper jam! 🙏🏻

  • @patriciagodfrey257
    @patriciagodfrey257 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Kevin, could you post the link for the first video that you mentioned? I can't find it. Thank you for your videos!

  • @Nicole.woytek
    @Nicole.woytek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have an Epson wf7720 that will load the paper all the way, pops, then gives paper jam error message. No paper clogged anywhere. No broken parts that I see.

  • @colinreed9587
    @colinreed9587 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hi Kevin, great videos. I have an Epson Workforce 4630 and it's showing a paper jam message. I have looked and there is no paper jam. My trouble is that I can't clear the error message and get back to the home screen. Any tips on factory reset or perhaps just to get my home screen back? Thanks.

    • @mrreese00
      @mrreese00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same model, same problem. I held down the grey and white piece under the adf cover and it got passed the phantom jam error. Hope it helps🤞🏾✌🏾

    • @aris95
      @aris95 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrreese00 Does this mean error in adf can cause fake paper jam error?

    • @mrreese00
      @mrreese00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aris95 that was the case with me apparently, but im no expert

  • @martinjrsalazar7089
    @martinjrsalazar7089 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Kevin how about the fake paper jam rear feeder on the xp 15000 ?

  • @AnonYmous-rk6ni
    @AnonYmous-rk6ni 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks again Kevin. I'm keeping my xp-520 functioning by using your tips each time something new goes wrong. This time you mentioned the plastic strip at the back and I checked and ink had splashed on there. not a lot but when I carefully wiped it away the paper did not jam anymore.

    • @AnonYmous-rk6ni
      @AnonYmous-rk6ni 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I spoke too soon. I did one test print and it was fine. Then I copied a page but it only printed a centre strip about 1 12" wide. I tried again to make a copy and the paper jammed in the back as before. The xp-520 doesn't look like the one you are working on, can you show me or tell me where the PE sensor is?
      I just replaced the inky plastic strip GMNA030 1611329-00 with the same strip from my previous XP-520 BUT now it slams into the right side! And I watched more of your videos and looked more closely, the encoding strip was twisted on the left side of the carriage but not the right. I was able to move it and it clicked into place. Now the printer prints from the test page from the PC controls and prints from my phone BUT will not print copy of anything on the scanner!!!!!! Paper Jam message!!!!

  • @ManThatJustAintRight
    @ManThatJustAintRight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:20 this part was stuck on mine, I flicked it down and it worked perfectly. Thank you my g!

  • @orlandolicmuan1147
    @orlandolicmuan1147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Kevin, almost the same problem with WF-7211 single function printer, you have had cleared the system print que (thru facsimile) within the printer itself, what can I do, my printer print on both trays 1 and 2 but not on the rear paper feeder. I tried all possible solution but nothing works hope you have another idea that will work.

  • @squigglyquiggly
    @squigglyquiggly 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU! The little pesky lever in the back was stuck up. LOL. Once I gently pulled it down, I finally saw the home screen again. Yeah. I have been fighting with this for 2 days.

  • @anthony5997
    @anthony5997 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow, the little lever was flicked up on my printer, exposing the sensor and creating the issue! I disassembled it for nothing haha! Thank you so much!!

  • @michelewilson6696
    @michelewilson6696 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God bless you, sir! Thank you for posting! It was, indeed, the lever. Thankfully, it wasn’t damaged.

  • @lindamartin2444
    @lindamartin2444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Kevin, I have WF7710. I had a paper jam at rear. I unscrewed the paper stopper assembly and got the last bit of ripped paper out. Unfortunately the compression springs fell out in my hand and I think I lost one.. I could hear a rattle inside. Do I need to get replacement part or just springs please.

  • @dandee28
    @dandee28 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please help my et 2720 is pulling paper halfway in and then says rear paper feeder out of paper. I checked everything they look fine. All the gears move

  • @DeaconSmithGames
    @DeaconSmithGames ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Kevin I have a wf-3640 and it shows a false paper jam when printing over WiFi from any device but if I print from a sd card on the printer it prints just fine

  • @mariamontesdeoca1646
    @mariamontesdeoca1646 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey, I have an WF 3640 and it only show me jam paper error when I print on High Quality can u help me?

    • @BCHTechnologies
      @BCHTechnologies  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s strange. So no jam if you set at regular paper? What about using same stock but set as regular paper?

    • @PanagiotisKatsivalis
      @PanagiotisKatsivalis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      exactly same problem in WF 7610...help!!!

    • @gilc8842
      @gilc8842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BCHTechnologies I also have the same problem with epson wf 7710, fake paper jam only to high quality prints but no paper jam when doing standard prints

    • @adempozhari
      @adempozhari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, i have same problem. Maybe its a memory or power problem that happen just before printing and trigger paper jam.

    • @arielfierro7089
      @arielfierro7089 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here, shows fake paper jam error when set to hight quality, doesn't happen when set to standard quality

  • @kalasprite
    @kalasprite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey there! I'm having the same issue of a "phantom paper jam," but with the ADF. It will get the paper halfway through, and then claim it is done scanning or paper jam when there is nothing jamming the ADF... Is there anything I can do to fix it? Thanks!!!

  • @OleKarmark
    @OleKarmark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Kevin - you saved my day

  • @sivanandamootoosamy6857
    @sivanandamootoosamy6857 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Kevin great video. I am having a paper jam error only when printing on both sides. One side prints satisfactorily but when printing the other side paper liads half way and stops and gives paper jam. Please help

  • @michellef9902
    @michellef9902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kevin, if the paper eject sensor has come out of place... do you have a video for helping me put it back correctly? Thank you

  • @FilmFactry
    @FilmFactry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an Epson 9890. I use the large 700ml cartridges. I have a never used Light Black but the printer won't read the chip. I get a Red X. I have other cartridges. Is there any way to reprogram, or buy replacement chips for these? Thanks. I'm a long time Epson use since the first Epson Photo.

    • @BCHTechnologies
      @BCHTechnologies  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you checked the chip contact points, and make sure the ECB board pins are good?

  • @Jetbytes
    @Jetbytes 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For some reason this only happens when I use cardstock. It has worked perfectly in the past with the same cardstock, but now it's doing the half in fake paper jam. Other papers still work fine. I have an ET-15000.

  • @wandagross826
    @wandagross826 ปีที่แล้ว

    My paper eject sensor came off can it be put back on i have the springs

  • @brushbustersplus7466
    @brushbustersplus7466 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am having same problem and have seen it fail some 20x's repetitively when printing. I did find that Copy works without an issue (or at least the one time I tried). I will continue using your guide and let you know the results. I'm just printing one side using paper tray.

    • @brushbustersplus7466
      @brushbustersplus7466 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure why but when I went to test his scenario, my printer just started working again. I had an old document in the cue that failed to print due to paper jam but this morning it worked and it's continuing to work. Want to test Kevin's method but didn't need to. Thanks again for you in-depth analysis.

  • @pietruszka4444
    @pietruszka4444 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello I have a similar problem, except that when printing a high-quality block of paper, printing works normally when using standard paper

  • @sivanandamootoosamy6857
    @sivanandamootoosamy6857 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi Kevin, Thnk you for the video. I have aan Epson Wf7620. I am getting paper jam only when printing high quality. Please help

    • @aris95
      @aris95 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have the same problem with Epson WF-2750. I can print to standard quality without any problems but not high quality, which makes phantom paper jam. I have tried to disable the printing port's bidirectional support but no help.

    • @aris95
      @aris95 ปีที่แล้ว

      I also tried to change printer driver to "Epson Universal printer driver" but no difference it prints standard prints fine but high quality print stucks the printer.

  • @pduttavlog880
    @pduttavlog880 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you give demo L1455 I am facing a same issue in L1455 printer

  • @miltonvalenciadelgado3892
    @miltonvalenciadelgado3892 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a printer that prints very low and crooked epson wf-7610.
    what will be the fault.
    Write to me please

  • @calogeromigliore663
    @calogeromigliore663 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello I'm not English but I translate, I have the printer in question Epson and 2630, when I start printing, you pull the sheet but does not block, comes out directly, and as if the cart does not freeze, what could it be?to me it seems as if the.spring does not open and close the cart

  • @vivacemaxvictor2765
    @vivacemaxvictor2765 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, you fixed it !! It was the little black light blocker!!

  • @lxminum5551
    @lxminum5551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a Epson WF-2630 and the problem is that i print a page and the next turn doesnt work it says paper jam altgouth there is never a paper stuck help me please i need it for schoolwork

    • @BCHTechnologies
      @BCHTechnologies  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So the first page is always OK?

    • @lxminum5551
      @lxminum5551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BCHTechnologies yes

    • @lxminum5551
      @lxminum5551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and then the next page nevcer works

  • @niqhtt
    @niqhtt ปีที่แล้ว

    how about a 2540 that says paper jam immediately after the date prompt and nothing ever spins or moves? :/

  • @1barryl
    @1barryl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Kevin. Thanks for the very helpful videos. I have a WF-3620 which prints single sided without a problem but fails every time to print double sided. The first side prints fine, and goes back into the duplexor. On the way out it jams in the rollers. Is there any way to fix this?

    • @markcrickett7455
      @markcrickett7455 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      hi did you get a fix for this please

    • @1barryl
      @1barryl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@markcrickett7455 No. Someone I asked to look at it concluded it was probably a motherboard fault. I sold the printer with the disclosed fault.

    • @sokolimo7949
      @sokolimo7949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sama seperti printer saya l1455 juga begitu tidak bisa cetak 2 sisi

  • @iraqdream2007
    @iraqdream2007 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoy your videos, thank you for the content

  • @januardosab5606
    @januardosab5606 ปีที่แล้ว

    what I'm asking is how do you print a fax when the printer is jammed with paper.......I'm sorry because my l1455 printer has the same problem. Please help🙏🙏🙏

  • @juniorfelix3660
    @juniorfelix3660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kevin wd 3640 paper jammed .i removed the paper causing the issue but still saids paper jam. I checked everywere for paper but nothing. I do notice that the ink carriage do not move at all when turning primter on.i do hear a roller move when i turn it on then the error comes on. It did do a strange noise when the paper got jam. I am taking it apart how do i make sure i put everything 0 or in sync..thanks

  • @kaylaedwards9863
    @kaylaedwards9863 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a epson 7720and its only loading the page half way then error 000071 shows on the screen and says turn off then back on if problem persist contact epson . Do you know what that code means ive searched and searched and cant find it. Ive checked the gears, timing belt is clean, theres no debree, it will print if i manually feed through rear feeder but wont auto feed from the trays. Any help would be appreciated

    • @BCHTechnologies
      @BCHTechnologies  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How about the three gears ⚙️ on the duplex unit? If you turn one,do all three turn together?

  • @laurenceboulos7452
    @laurenceboulos7452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi mine is Epson XP-410: after cleaning the printer heads it says paper jam then it says close scanner which is closed and asks to turn off printer. I’ve tried everything keeps saying the same messages one after the other

  • @chezoik
    @chezoik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kevin, thank you so much! I have a jam i have not seen, but it happened a year ago and was solved, but now i can't figure it out. Calls to epson did not help (You need replace/repair). My jam happens ONLY when i'm trying to do duplex (2-sided) printing. It used to be fine. But now, it prints first side, takes the paper back in, and gives Jam error. Opening top shows the paper showing about 1-2inches. I pull it out, and it tries again, and same. Any ideas? Someone I found said changing out the maintenance box fixed his. I've not tried this. Any ideas? Thank you!

    • @bipto1884
      @bipto1884 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      same problem, can u try any of maintenance print for cleaning, let's see if give jam too, if so then u not the one who get this problem

    • @markcrickett7455
      @markcrickett7455 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      did you get a fix for this problem please

  • @markcrickett7455
    @markcrickett7455 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have wf3540 and have checked rollers and the black lever all seem ok cleaned the plastic strip and still the same , only does it on two sided printing andthere is no jam if i push he stop button it ejects the paper no jams driveing me mad

  • @amandahaj1938
    @amandahaj1938 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My paper light comes on and the printer will not print I have to turn off and turn back on and hopefully it prints and then if that doesn’t come on then it say white ink empty and won’t print. How can I fix this it’s brand new I just purchased this in May

  • @damianwalker4849
    @damianwalker4849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the epson wf 7620 I had this troubled problem I found the main problems to the ink cover and a fake paper jam. There's a white clip at the bottom right corner that clips on to the ink head this sometimes gets jammed and stops the print head moving from its usual boot up moves left to right etc.etc I had to force the main print head to the right this is the default position of the main print head . How ever this clip also goes up and and down which approx 2 inch guides to the left but it doesn't always go down when it's supposed to do so to release the head to print this is the main culprit to print failure

  • @curtislowery1031
    @curtislowery1031 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have same issue paper that is stops right there exactly but keeps saying rear nothing in there it will print reports and everything but always says paper jam paper comes out nothing else will print.

  • @IzludeTingel
    @IzludeTingel หลายเดือนก่อน

    convinced it was either cat hair or some particle that caused my paper jams. it did it maybe once or twice in the past month (never happened for the 8+ years i had the printer), it stopped doing it abruptly and never happened again.

  • @michellef9902
    @michellef9902 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It also appear that the spring needs to be pushed back into the correct position on it.

  • @mortezsiam
    @mortezsiam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Sir Thank you for your video, my Epson Xp-750 I can copy color and BW no problem but when I print from My computer MacBook, or my smartphone paper Jam.

  • @Lara-tj3yi
    @Lara-tj3yi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    please help I just inherited my dad's house and inside he has a Mac computer with an older I think because it's still in the box and he lived here for 11 years but anyway it's an Epson XP 410 and it had the original ink cartridges to put in I know how to do this so I did it and whenever I try to run the printer the printer seems to work perfectly except that the paper comes through and seems to veer left and get caught in the wheels so I don't know what the problem is I don't see any dust inside I can't imagine what the problem could be unless I've somehow installed the somehow my dog's getting sick okay so unless I've somehow installed the ink wrong or there's something going terribly wrong with my printer itself please help

  • @WolfmanDude
    @WolfmanDude ปีที่แล้ว

    Really exellent software engineering by epson there. Its almost like they want the printers to malfunction

  • @celijeremy08
    @celijeremy08 ปีที่แล้ว

    i keep getting a fake paper jam on my et 8550 and cant find any videos to fix this

    • @BCHTechnologies
      @BCHTechnologies  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for subscribing! I really appreciate your support-you're helping us get closer to that 100k milestone. 🚀
      It sounds like your ET-8550 might have a sensor issue or misalignment causing the false paper jam. A quick fix to try is checking for small bits of paper or dust that could be blocking the sensors. Sometimes, a dirty encoder strip or rollers can trigger this too. Power cycling the printer and carefully cleaning the sensor areas with a soft cloth might help reset things.
      If that doesn’t work, it could be a deeper issue with the printhead or internal sensor alignment. Let me know if you'd like a more detailed guide or if I should put this on the list for a future video. Subscriber questions are usually answered within 48 hours, but if you need faster help, feel free to email support@bchtechnologies.com. Thanks again for being part of the channel!

  • @larryjlleavittll794
    @larryjlleavittll794 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have found this only happens when I print from one device, all my other divices print ok. all my devices are wireless.

  • @RacerGirlCrystal
    @RacerGirlCrystal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for saving me from going all office space on my printer lol

    • @aris95
      @aris95 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I buy used epsons so i can make office space all the time :)

  • @hesham-zb3kt
    @hesham-zb3kt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Printer Epson 7710 error 000031 mm has a solution

  • @eljanofficialmoves1690
    @eljanofficialmoves1690 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im having same problem with my EPSON ET-2750

  • @cellardoorq
    @cellardoorq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still cannot print on mine. Everything is clear, its a brand new printer and there are no fax reports. Great.

  • @noahfitzwilliam5836
    @noahfitzwilliam5836 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man, this is the 3rd Epson printer I've had, and I have to say - they've all had stupid issues. When they actually PRINT, the quality is great. But Epson printers are just too finicky. Do yourself a favor. Don't buy Epson, don't buy HP, don't buy Canon.. Buy a BROTHER printer....

  • @sleepygirll
    @sleepygirll 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Epson 2850 is giving me a fake paper jam so idk how to fix it. Please help!!

    • @BCHTechnologies
      @BCHTechnologies  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can use our repair service at bchtechnologies.com

  • @4EntertainmentOnly
    @4EntertainmentOnly 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    device manager > printer queve> uninstall printe> reinstall

  • @4EntertainmentOnly
    @4EntertainmentOnly 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I fixed mine in 10 secs

  • @4EntertainmentOnly
    @4EntertainmentOnly 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shake the printer upside. down...and try to print upside down