I think he's priced competitively when compared to EA stations at times. However the idea behind any EV really is not the roadtrip aspect, but the regular daily commute aspect. The idea of a "full tank of gas" every morning is very appealing to many people. Especially if you're strategic about when and how much you charge at home.
That's why I own both. Family uses the model 3 as our daily driver and it gets the most use. We also have a gas powered midsized SUV for road trips and utility duty for moving large loads of items or people or depending on the weather or situation. Ev infustructure and technology is not at the point where I can go all in. It's best served as a daily driver.
Exactly what I am thinking, currently we are shopping for a new Lexus NX Hybrid to replace my wife’s 08 RX350. In a couple of years I will gift my son my 17 Lexus ES, then I am seriously considering an Porsche Taycan for comments to work and ship trip within a 100 miles radius of where we live. On longer trip, we will can use the NX hybrid on longer trips.
I plan to own both too. MiniVan is my road trip King especially for 3rd row passengers. Small families can also fold that 3rd row flat and bring the kitchen sink haha. When I go on vacation and rent a car the Minivans are all gone. I doubt Musk will ever build a boring Minivan.
*definitely noticed its more expensive and longer to drive a tesla compare to our gas car. reason why i bought a tesla was to save on gas but I guess found it the hard way to actually do it in real life. Tesla is just meant for local trips and gas is for long drive. I guess the best combination to have is tesla and hybrid vehicle for everyday and long distance driving.*
My sister owns a model X, and she says the same thing. On long trip, it better to just take a gas vehicle car, but on your everyday driving, where your only using up to 25%-30% a day, you can literally just charge it at home when your sleeping, and you’ll probably gain most of the percentages back by the next day already.
DC Fast Charging is the most expensive way to charge - it's like getting 20-25 mpg. Level 2 charging more economical way to charge if you're not in a rush. At home I get about 25 miles/$. I can level 2 charge for free at work.
Lol this idea is NOT realistic for MOST people. As of now, I am just glad everyone starting to realize the whole electric cAr false hype is fslling right on its face. They are sitting at lots unable to be sold everywhere around the country. Batteries freezing on cold weather making them useless, lol...
Can't see how buying & running 2x vehicles is genuinely cheaper? Just take the small hit on the occasional "road-trip". You'd have to be crazy to buy a second vehicle, just to save a few $ on occasional long drives.
Not surprised at your results. I have taken an 800 mile road trip that takes 3 hours longer than a gas vehicle. Super charging costs have almost doubled since I bought my Tesla making the cost fairly close. Gas power beats electric for road trips.
Why are you stopping for an hour every 200 miles? I am assuming you are starting the trip with 300 miles of range. I was charging my tesla in about 20 minutes for 200 miles of charge. I stopped for 45 minutes total for a 628 mile trip to Fayetteville North Carolina. Where are you stopping? Sounds like maybe you’re a troll
@M H I get much more miles than a Tesla with a Hybrid giving me 539 Miles full tank and battery fully charged, no need to stop for a 500 Mile trip, also less than $50 bucks and I get to my destination much earlier than a Tesla, because I don't need to charge as my battery recharges as I'm driving. 😎
@@josephayala232 lol I had a Prius. No, thank you. Not even the same type of vehicle. I really wanted another BMW M3 but decided with the M3 performance Tesla, because it was better in every single way. If I wanted a Prius, I may start looking at Chevy bolt. you cant equate the two cars unfortunately. 95% of my charging is from solar anyway. Much more efficient than the Prius.
From my math, it looks like the Tesla actually cost almost $20 more than the Lexus for this trip. I think your calculations way are off. On your only fill-up for the Lexus during the trip, you put 8.793 gallons of gas in the car at $5.20 per gallon, for a total of $45.71. You drove 143 miles prior to that fill-up. That means you average a paltry 143/8.793 = 16.263 MPG in the Lexus. When you arrived at your destination you had 132 miles left in the Lexus' tank, but only 43 miles left in the batteries for the Tesla. Which means that the Lexus had 89 miles worth of range more than the Tesla at your destination. It cost $37 to get the Tesla to that point. However, if you both arrived with exactly 43 miles of range left in each vehicle, you would need to subtract 89/16.263 = 5.4725 gallons of fuel from the Lexus. Which means that the Lexus actually cost 5.4725 x $5.20 = $28.457 less than what you calculated to get to the same destination with the same amount of range left. That means that the trip only cost $45.71 - 28.457 = $17.25 for the Lexus. So it actually cost $37 - 17.25 = $19.75 more to drive the Tesla on this trip! Also, there is no need to "warm up" a late model (within the last 10 years or so) gas car. You're just wasting gas letting it sit idle like that and actually causing damage to the engine. You can actually just start a late model gas car and drive it moderately for about 5-8 minutes to get it warm, which is usually how long it takes most of us to get to the highway. Once the car is warmed up, you can drive it at highway speed. It takes forever to warm a car at idle!
So in reality you have 132 miles of range left on the Lexus which means you really saved less than $8 (assuming you charge the Tesla so it would have 132 miles of range left to match or pumped 2-3 gallons less gas). It also took about 1 hour longer in the Tesla. Thanks for doing the comparison.
Not really a fair comparison though. The Model Y is a more powerful car than the RX. 0-60 is more than 6 seconds in the RX and only 4.2 in the Model Y.
From what I understand most charging is at home which is a fraction compared to supercharging. Yeah supercharging is expensive relatively, but you can’t beat the supercharging network. These prices have built this awesome network. CCS charging can’t hold a candle to Tesla.
@@andreym95 Because the Model Y inherently uses more power than the car it was being compared to, so it's not entirely accurate to conclude that the cost to charge isn't that cheap based on the comparison. The cost savings would be greater if he'd compared the Model Y to taking a road trip in a comparably powerful car like an Audi RS Q3. The fact that the Model Y is still cheaper to drive than the car he compared it to says a lot actually.
One important note.. when at supercharger you should stop at 75%. After that the rate of charging speed slows and wasting time and money. So just charge to at most 75% and then go!
@@chavale2 not at all. You are charging to get to the next stop otherwise you are wasting time and money. Charge enough to get to the next stop and keep it moving
Previous Model S owner…couple years back, I needed to be at a meeting in TPA Due to lack of chargers in TX (at the time), Tesla routed me up and over, amounting to several days drive; I got there in 25 hours in my Infiniti Gas will always be cheaper
I love the RX. Super comfortable, smooth, and the intelligent cruise is pretty impressive. Slap a comma ai device and you get basic levels of autopilot for about 2k.
Here is one main point that skews your test results, there is a mechanical or electrical issue with the Lexus RX350, you should on average be getting 23 mpg not 17 mpg even if you drive like a whacky Fumanchu, so in reality the RX350 was cheaper and faster to drive. Second you still had a half a tank of fuel left over in the RX350 where the Tesla needed a recharge to get it to 50%
I think there is a better cost comparison? For Tesla total cost is 0-100% home charge cost + supercharge cost to get destination. For Lexus is Full tank cost + whatever needed to get there. I have a Model Y and Lexus NX300. For 500 Miles, Tesla would cost me around $50 CAD, and Lexus would cost me around $140 CAD
Any difference in registration fees or insurance costs between the vehicles? I understand that the Tesla costs to repair are significant so insurance premiums are higher. Is that true?
I’ve done few cross country trips on the highways & have seen few teslas driving slower than the semi trucks to save energy in hot summer times. Today’s EVs are still in its infancy & it’s still a good vehicle to get around town in daily usage. Not for long distance, unless you don’t mind the wait times, don’t travel to hot spots like Vegas during busy times, they’ll be waiting for charger to open up, before you could start charging.
Surprising to me that the benefit of an EV isn’t really as drastic as I would have thought for a road trip. Interesting to see the cost vs time benefit of a road trip too. Maybe more savings over the long term but not easily noticeable on a road trip. Great video!
I think my biggest issue is that on road trips I only stop every 340 miles to use the restroom and fill up. I hate stopping. An EV wouldn't work for me because I have no patience on road trips.
@@egaskrad I guess another issue would be not having a home charger. I live 30 miles outside the city. I'd blow 25% of the range getting to work (30 mile drive in cold weather in hilly conditions doing 80 on the highway).
Comparison was a joke. First of all he didn’t drive 500 miles @ 17 mpg for $45. That is $114. You can’t count the gas in the tank as free. Secondly, everyone leaves with a full charge, which at my house would be the first 250 miles for $9.00. Even if you use $0.43/kWh, the next 250 miles is only around $30, so the Tesla is approximately 34% the cost of the Lexus to drive 500 miles. What he also didn’t account for is that it is very easy at destinations to charge for 100% free at destination chargers at hotels or restaurants. My first 1000 miles on my model Y was a total of $23 due to all the free local destination chargers I was able to use on our trip to OC MD. Also If I had a level 2 charger installed, it would have been half that price, as BGE offers off Peak EV charging for $0.06/ kWh instead of my $0.13/ kWh on 110V. Also that doesn’t even include the $10/month total electric bill discount from signing up for EVpulse which automatically controls your charging off peak times, which is basically an entire 250 miles of charge free per month. EV’s are way cheaper than gas by far and way cheaper by far than in CA.
Thanks for making the video. Time is money…sounds like you need to take so many detours just to charge. But you guys are in warm California, but here in the east coast with 20 degree winter weather you can see a huge decrease of battery efficiency up to 25% less. Great for short trips but no good for longer drives.
I have a Tesla and would never take it to roadtrip again. I know it can pretty much go anywhere, but it takes planning not only for supercharging, but also the hotel location selections, etc. It also takes longer to travel. On a road trip, I wanna get to the destinations faster so I can enjoy my time at where I suppose to be and do more there. Sometimes the best route and hotel location would not be near superchargers, so it is a pain to charge. And I don’t wanna stay somewhere near superchargers in a hotel that I don’t like so. It’s just too much work to drive an EV for roadtrip. I would just pay the gas and get to my place fast and enjoy the time playing, not charging. But for everyday drive, Tesla for the win.
I'm the opposite. I did a 4000 miles trip in my Tesla last summer and loved every minute. Would never use a gas car on a long trip again. If I want to get there quickly I will fly.
Agree i have a f150 with the 36gallon thank i get over 800miles per tank and i travel once a month to mexico 1300miles 1 way i only fuel up once and still make it home with fuel electric trucks,cars not even an option for me total cost on fuel tolls food its 300dlls 1 way flying has cost me 600dlls ive done it couple times buying tickets time ahead and thats why i would rather drive saves me half on money and driving vs flying for me its about 7hrs longer driving i count the time when i leave my house in usa till i make it in my house in mexico
I think I'll be the opposite, time will tell. I typically hate road trips because I don't enjoy the driving part. I just got a Tesla and am actually looking forward to some road trip and to sound cliche, it's about the journey not the destination. We'll see how it goes.
Avoiding the aching back is worth a lot. Last long trip in our Civic was torturous. Our Model 3LR has great seats and we pay $.09 per KWH charging at home. Nice.
Lots of factors will change the outcome. If you had a fuel efficient gas car.. like a Hybrid version of that lexus, The cost would be about HALF what you paid in gas... I'm surprised the Lexus was less comfortable. I think you are right about people not knowing the best way to roadtrip in an EV..they charge to 100% every time.. or something. better education by tesla would help.. though there are plenty of good road tripping videos out there.
My y performance is so much cheaper to travel in when compared to my 2017 Gt 350! Traveling from Orlando to Miami it cost me around 16 dollars with 1 stop in the Tesla and nonstop in the mustang 50 dollars( 4 bucks/gallon). The time is 4 hours in the Tesla and 3 and 1/2 hours in the mustang. So only 30 minutes difference which allows me to relax and stretch my legs. Great review!
For $12 saving and we have to pay $65k for Y model? For same size car, how much for a Camry or Malibu ? That’s said, we have to pay $40k in advance gas with Y model ?
@@Kingnumber-nd9cl maybe true for reliability but the Lexus has a higher risk for fire. Electric vehicles in general have a lower risk of fire compared to a gas car compared to popular belief
Here in Tennessee, gas is $3 per gallon. The range of battery powered cars would have to double and the price fall in order to compete with gas powered vehicles.
That's silly-cheap for gas. But it's not all about the cost of gas vs electric, it's also about carbon footprint etc. If you don't give one (by which I mean a F***), then fine, your choice entirely. Home charge electric would still be cheaper, but EVs cost more to start with... Horses for courses.
After took my model x 100d from Dallas to Florida, I decide to buy a gas car again, it was a torture to follow the charging station route , even it is the fastest route, you have no choice if you find a more interesting route .
Pretty much did the same road trip to see Hearst Castle from Fountain Valley. It did take time but with 2 children at the age of 2 and 1 the supercharger stops were more convenient when they got irritable. Also we left earlier in the AM and the price at the first stop was a little cheaper
I'm glad I came across this video. I got a really good deal on a Model 3 LR rental for 7 days. It was like $350. I think I'm gonna just get a gas car rental instead. I'm going on a 1500 mile road trip. There are ample chargers but still. I'd be wasting 3 to 4 hours charging.
With road trips under 500 miles, I find that there isn't much added time due to charging if I have my family + dog with me. My family wants to get out every couple hours and take bio-breaks and get snacks (which leads to bio-breaks later). Dog needs a walk and potty break too. So, we end up spending about 20 minutes at each stop anyway. As long as we stay near the bottom of the battery pack, we can usually get a solid 150 miles out of each 20 minute charge. The hardest one is normally the first top because I really want to maximize that initial leg - which could be 200+ miles - and not everyone can make it that far. Also, on all-day trips, we often want to stop for a meal too - so that is an opportunity to get a full charge in. While road tripping with our minivan, we would often fill up in 5-7 minutes, and sometimes get snacks and someone would need to go to the bathroom mid-cycle anyway - so there goes another 10-15 minutes at a rest area - especially with the dog. Family really doesn't like it when I time their bathroom breaks. If I drive solo, I do end up waiting on the car for charging, but I also want to slow down anyway since I'm the only one driving and need to get out and stretch. Longer trips, there are times when we have to wait on charging. I do counterbalance that with the fact that the vast majority of the time I am at home, thus I never to go near a gas station for daily errands and commute. Also, you need to factor in the energy used to reach your first charging stop - so used kW * your local power rate. You could have streamlined it a bit more by stopping at below 10% state of charge - it's a bit more aggressive than the Tesla nav prefers then filling up just enough to reach the next v3 supercharger or as the rate dips below 150kWh. Check out Out of Spec for their aggressive style of road tripping in EVs.
It’s funny how he talks crap about the Lexus and he’s giving it to his mom. 😂 “Here, have this crappy car.” 😂 It’s super entertaining to watch though. Love his videos!
A Lexus is probably better than a Tesla. Shorter wait time for filling up and most likely better reliability. The only thing Tesla has over the Lexus is the cheaper costs for recharging and it's better for the environment
You will mostly benefit the saving from charging at home and the maintain cost, if it was my opinion I would trade the XLR for like a model 3 performance and keep the CTS V wagon as 1 it is rare and 2 it's badass in my opinion and 3 I can road trip in it faster.
@@coolsquad7428 I don't find Tesla vehicles to be attractive to my eyes. I would not own one because I'd have to see daily. For me Tesla's look like children born to mothers that refused to stop drinking drugging and smoking during pregnancy.
@@bidensucks6792 It really depends on who you ask like theres people who only like there cars design and that they think there suvs look like an egg and theres people who just hates them, in my opinion the model X is just an egg, the model 3 and model s looks alright and the model Y looks like a bmw x4, mersades glc coupe, the cybertruck is just ugly as shit to me, looks like a car from the jettisons tv show.
Plenty of other cars have good driver assist systems.. some better than Autopilot...at least for highway use. Gm's SuperCruise is amazing on mapped roads. Personally I like driving.. and would find just sitting there.. boring and more tiresome.
@@kens97sto171 I think you have it wrong. Tesla autopilot requires participation. And I usually phase in and out of autopilot. It's a tool not a replacement. However when you need it, it's fully capable.
@@M4532v That can be said for any of the driver assistance programs. My point is there are some that actually do a better job of driving than Tesla autopilot does. For me having to touch the wheel and move it every 30 seconds is more annoying than just driving it myself. GM's super Cruise only requires that you be paying attention and looking forward with your eyes open. VW's system doesn't require you to put torque input into the steering wheel, it only requires that you touch the steering wheel. Teslas have pretty twitchy steering especially at highway speeds. Having to actually move the wheel to tell the car you're paying attention isn't really the best solution. I'm kind of a road warrior, probably driven 3 million miles in the last 30 years.. Biggest part of driving assistance that would be useful to me is more the radar cruise control. Maintaining safe distance, and being able to avoid things that unexpectedly pop up like someone slamming on the brakes etc. The steering part I pretty much do unconsciously anyway.
@@kens97sto171 like I said. You have it wrong. I have several cars. Tesla autopilot is in another level. Sorry. I have no political agenda and I'm unbiased. It's just on a whole other level.
@@M4532v What the hell does politics have to do with it? Like I said. Your experiences with autopilot. My experience is watching professional car reviewers actually test these systems. And autopilot from Tesla is very good. But there are better systems that function under a wider variety of parameters with less user input. GM SuperCruise is one of those. The big negative on that system is it only works on mapped highways. Check out out of spec motoring TH-cam channel. They have a test they do called the hogback challenge where they run a variety of vehicles on a particularly difficult loop, and grade it based on its features available. And then take points away when it fails under certain circumstances. Autopilot always does well in this test. Others do better. And others function in different ways that may or may not be more attractive to some people. Like I said personally I would not want to have to apply torque to the steering wheel to tell the car that I'm paying attention, that causes the car to wiggle around and at high speeds can be somewhat troublesome. I would prefer to have a capacitive steering wheel like in the VW. Or GM and Ford which use eye tracking to make sure that you're actually paying attention and other than that don't require any other input from the driver when it's engaged.
Great info!!! We rented a Tesla recently and boy was there a learning curve!!! We didn’t know about the faster charging in the lower range! Good to know!
Its a interesting comparison. I happened to own a 2019 RX-F and just purchased a 2023 Model y last month. I love both. My wife drives RX and Y is mine:)
Gas is cheaper. I made a mistake renting a Tesla on my Vegas trip from San Francisco. You have to have your settings on chill mode and comfort steering to not waste the battery. I made the mistake charging over the 80% mark which ate up more time. If you're traveling from the Bay Area to Los Angeles, add an additional 2 hours to your destination.
Thanks for the comparison. However, you could've filled up at the cheaper Valero ($4.29) adjacent to the Chevron ($5.19) and saved $7. And with a 1/2 tank remaining the Lexus net fuel costs were half vs. the Tesla? And difficult to monetize the 1/2 hour time differential.
Stopping to supercharge is actually part of the fun for me. Now it cost me $80 to fill up my gas car (a large premium guzzling sedan), and about $50 worth of supercharging for equivalent mileage. My first leg leaving home is not charged at a SC, whereas my gas is coming from a station.
Enjoyed the video. My experience is that in my model y - road trips do take longer, which we are okay with usually, and are about the price of a gasoline car that would get ~45 mpg.
@@joo02 I agree that hybrids make a lot of sense on a road trip. For most of the time when you aren’t on a road trip, electric has a big advantage. A plug in hybrid might be the best of both worlds?
Great Video Chris/Jan. I did similar trip in an EV recently and got somewhat similar charging results. Have you done a similar comparison between an EV vs. a hybrid that get 40+ miles per gallon? You might be surprised that a hybrid maybe less expensive for road-tripping. Also, please show how busy the Superchargers really are, like on weekends and holidays. They are packed, not empty like in your videos. 😄. Keep making the great videos. Thanks.
I prefer a hybrid (gasoline electric non plug in). Have a Ford Fusion Hybrid I drove coast to coast. Got 41 MPG after a 2900 mile road trip. Amazing on gas. Although Im sure the self driving Tesla’s are amazing, Im just not too keen on a full electric car because of the availability of charging stations. The US isnt there yet, a hybrid suite me just fine, for now.
What are you used to sitting on? I find this to be subjective for many. Including motorcycle riders, and mattresses… I thought the model y seats were amazing. I’ve sat in the new model 3 and X and didn’t find them to be a large difference in comfort.
I saw $6.99 per galon in Monrovia, CA today. and it is going up, and i paid $0.37 per kw charging last night in Tesla supercharging station. I paid less than $4.00 for 14% of my Model Y. It is not matter of the $, it is matter of how you feel when you pay hot $100 cash for 17 galon of gas every time.
I bought my Model Y knowing it would take longer to road trip with compared to a gas car. But as you mentioned in the video, Autopilot and the supercharging stops helps to take so much of the stress from long distance driving that people normally get when going long distances. The increased planning it takes to do a route can be fun though. And in some cases it helped me find new places to visit along my route, such as the Badlands when I was driving to Yellowstone, Petrified Forest National Park and Meteor Crater on my way to the Grand Canyon, Avenue of the Giants while visiting northern California, and driving through the Tail of the Dragon which was close by to Great Smoky Mountains National Park. My average supercharging times are around 15-25 minutes depending on if it's a V1/V2 or V3, and how far the next supercharger is from the one I'm charging at. My record for shortest supercharger stop was about 7 minutes, which was at a V3, and that was the time it took me to go to the bathroom and back. And when I'm not on a road trip and just doing daily driving to work and local shopping trips, it's so much cheaper, and I love being able to "fuel up" in my garage whereas with a gas car I'd have to take it to a gas station every week in freezing cold, sweltering heat, or heavy downpours, paying random gas prices which always seems to go up just before I have to pump.
well, petrol car has cruise control and you do not have to worry about the pedal most of the time. even with autopilot, you still need to keep your eyes on the road, ready to take over any time. so the only different is your hands, which I left on my laps holding the bottom of the wheel. dont think it is going to be a big different on a highway.
i literally just took a road trip in my 2022 model y performance. We went from San Jose down to San Diego, Ca. Electric is definitely took much more time, and cost more compared to gas cars. Dont think i'll ever pull that stunt again. It was way too much charging and time spent at superchargers.
I’m planning to make a similar trip from sj to anaheim when the Y arrives in a month or so. I kept reading of the longer time at supercharges and don’t really like it much as I’m mostly a stop, refill and go. The downtime at SC will be tough to get use to. From mapping, it looks like I can do one SC stop around kettleman then one short one at Tejon and then be in OC. Another thing is hotel as the one I usually stay isn't near a SC or has fast on site charges . It would definitely a new experience.
they are charging at peak hours price varies by time if you travel at night that price would be cut in half and if you do uber you get 40% off charging at EvGo branded chargers
Did a similar trip socal to norcal. I left with 50% charge and had to supercharge 3 times, gas car filled once and was always waiting for / with me. So gas is much faster. Personally though, I'd always plan so I can take the Tesla. Far less stressful with FSD, and the breaks are relaxing.
I didn't see you guys eating or mention stopping to eat, so I'd like to add the fact that if you did stop to eat, the trip time difference would be a lot smaller since you can charge during.
Nice video. I have a 2015 Lexus RX and 2020 M3P. I still find the RX very comfortable (not sure why you find the ride uncomfortable, maybe just the gear shifting and braking?), but Tesla is definitely more comfortable for road trip and is the preferred choice. Btw, the supercharging is slower if someone is charging next to you. It looks like both stops you didn't have anyone charging next to your Y.
150KW V2 superchargers do split power between a/b stalls, but they stopped at v3 250KW superchargers which are full speed/power to every stall... it can make a big difference, especially arriving low 15-25% charge, you get full 250kw power, it goes very fast. AP/tesla relaxed driving is definitely a plus- We did a 12hr roadtrip to Death Valley from bay area (a few scenic stops on way, poppy reserve by Lancaster etc), and despite the long drive, 8a-8p, I was feeling very good by the evening arrival... MUCH MUCH better than even 4-5hr drives to Tahoe in gas car! I was gripping steering wheel tight on some of the steep curvy parts going into the valley, missed AutoPilot, but... so much nicer. and, free hotel charging in valley saved me $100 vs $9/gal park gas!!
Superchargers in Europe tend to require drivers to leave the motorway and then drive to either a hotel car park or a bank of Superchargers. Refuelling an ICE car can easily be done without needing to leave the motorway at all. Then theres price fixing where electricity has been priced to match the mpg of an average saloon. This means the cost is the same but overall journey time can be hours longer.
I've been researching cost of ownership between ICE and EVs, and with the help of AI I did a rough estimate from info found online between a Honda Accord(gas & hybrid) and a Tesla Model 3. Assuming that I pay 30k for either vehicle, I found that the Hybrid is slightly cheaper to own than the gas version over the 15 years. It is the cost of insurance and battery replacement that unfortunately kills it for the EVs at the moment. The gas ends up being around 29-30k cheaper than the Tesla. Hybrid ends up being around $3k-4k cheaper than the gas.
Dont you have to pay delivery on the use of electricity? Here in pa we have to pay supply and delivery. Supply is about 9 cents per kw and delovery about 9 to 10 cents
Plug in hybrids are opt for both city and freeways. Avg. we drive 50 miles a day on city which can be done by plug-ins with pure battery and freeway long trips save time and not worry about charging. Remember plug-in hybrids like rav4 prime gives 40 miles in freeways.
I would go by rail, if there's an option. That's a killer journey on the road... Do you do the whole run without stopping for an "essential need", or food? Don't know the route, but you can charge most Tesla's from 10% to 80% in the 20 mins it takes to go to a rest-room, then buy and consume a burger or coffee.
Great video. We usually road trip in the F-150 but we’re considering a Model Y so I’m renting one for our 500 mile trip next week to see how we like it. Looking forward to checking it out.
I drive a Prius (48-51 mpg) and live in Pittsburgh. We don't have much of a charging infrastructure for EVs. Gas is around $3.80 - $4. If you don't need the bells and whistles I still think the best value is a Prius.
Can you link where you got those 19 in wheels? They look like the 20 in induction wheels but I imagine these being smaller gets you better range. Great channel. Thanks!
over 98% of your driving is less than 300miles per day. Even if your roundtrip everyday is 280miles, you charge nightly every day. I drive around 200 miles per week on average and charge maybe once in 4 days and do it overnight when I'm parked in my garage. I program to start after 9pm and charging stops at 90% by 3-4am so always paying the lowest rate. Basically $10 to go 300miles! People think you always have to plug in and so misinformed about this. I park in my garage and plug in but no electricity flows until after 9pm. I go without charging for several days. If going on roadtrip, longer than 300miles, I drive 250miles or every 4hours, stop for 20min and just charge back upto 80% and off I go. I have a coffee break. I stop twice when going from Toronto to New York. Overall, TESLA is the most fun, fastest, roomiest, and safest car. So glad I decided to get one over a LEXUS or BMW or HONDA, etc..
Yes! I pay around $5 for 300 miles when charging last midnight . Road trips are the best with Tesla. I drive to North Carolina every month which is 1200 miles round trip and I stop for 50 minutes each way. Less fatigue and I love beating lambos and Ferraris and corvettes in towns
It is still a gas friendly estimation, when you have startet at home you had a complete fill for half the price in your battery while the Gas car was most certainly filled at the gas station.
If I was driving for 6 hours I would be stopping around about every 2 hours irrespective of EV or ICE vehicle. Hopefully my partner would take the middle stint, to break it up. I generally find that on a journey of this distance I need to charge for about 45 minutes, our charger network is predominantly 50kw chargers, and that is enough time to find and use the toilet, get refreshments, and stretch my legs. It's not time spent just waiting for the charger. According to the manufacturers data if I had the petrol equivalent of my EV I would achieve 4.4 litres per 100km and the current price of petrol is $2.22/litre so my recent 1800km roadie would have cost $175.8. (It would have cost more in practice travelling at non optimal speeds over mountain passes, and with fuel more expensive away from the main cities, not to mention fuel economy figures being inaccurate). The cost of the 5 charges during the trip totalled $114. Most of our charging is done at home, and a good amount of that is free due to the solar system on the roof, I have only used public chargers 39 times in close to 3 years of EV ownership, and some of those were to educate myself regarding their use, and utilise free chargers where they were available.
EV’s aren’t as convenient as presented which is why I’ve held off on getting on. Too few charging stations, the length of time to charge, it’s pretty much almost as expensive to charge as gas prices are. Just not there yet.
I really enjoy your content! Your editing skills and music choices are top-notch. Although most of what you discuss (about 95%) doesn’t apply to me since I have a first-gen Model S, I still enjoy watching your videos. Could you please update your Amazon shop list?
My experience is that road tripping my MY is a wash vs. buying gas due to high cost of supercharging and takes longer. That said I only pay 0.11 per Kwhr for electricity so home charging for everyday driving is a real savings.
really interesting video. 12$ doesnt seem like a lot but when you factor in how many miles you put on the gas car (which would lead to more frequent oil changes), how it was average 50-60 to fill up gas but only ~17$ to charge... im pretty split! i love the quickness of a gas car but you cant beat how much you save with a tesla and honestly im fine extending my trip if it means im saving that much
If you value and hour of your life in $8.71 go for it We own a model y but we don’t do long trips on it takes away time that you can use at your final destination
You complained about driver fatigue but did you not use adaptive cruise control feature on the Lexus? Of course it’s not as good as AP but still effective. My vote is to use ICE cars on road trips. No brainer.
I wonder if it makes a difference if you stop more but only charge 5-10 minutes (aka: enough to get to another charger with 10-15% and avoid charging over 60%.
Big question: How does getting the vehicles fully topped up impact the cost of the trip? What counts is the fuel used between start and end. That is when you top up. If that Lexus is so juddery it needs a tune up. One more thing. To be an honest comparison, the gas vehicle should be run to ¼ tank before refueling. It is only a 500 mile trip. I have had cars that can do that on a single tank. I have had one car that could do that and have a further 100+ miles of range. That is on an 18.5 US gallon tank. That was also a very comfortable 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis with the 5.8 litre engine that also had the factory towing package. It was an easy highway car. I drove it from Toronto, Ontario, Canada to Key West, Florida.
Nope. 10 bucks is for sentry mode live footage, premium connectivity stuff like music and traffic. It does still route but you can't see the traffic data.
Awww I loved ur moms reaction! Great son & daughter in law. Informative video. I drive anAccord. But I a,ways like watching the Teslas charge at rest stops & such here in the Chicagoland area.
After driving a Tesla for over a year now I must say we have a ways to go with EV before gas is obsolete. Supercharging is affordable but takes about 50 mins depending on state of charge whereas a gas car is fueled in 50 seconds and gone in 60 🤣 I love the model y but if it’s a road trip I’m driving gas for sure. Not enough of a supercharging network on the east coast yet either. Gas stations however are everywhere
50 minutes? Are you drivig the X? I drive 4 hours between Santa Barbara every week. I always start at 80% charge and have to charge once halfway, which takes 20-25 minutes max to get me home. Maybe if I was at 5% and tried to charge to 100 it would take 50 minutes but that would be pretty unnecessary in most cases. I've never been close to that. A 20 minute break to stretch the legs on a 4 hour drive ends up being perfect. Also want to say my other car is a 4runner and costs about 4x as much to drive around.
I drove my sister's Model 3 last Saturday. She has her car set to hold and that was a little annoying. It is difficult to cover my brake when approaching a stale green light in anticipation to stop. I also had difficulty reading the screen. Is there an option to change the font size? I guess you have to get used to where the important information is on the screen. I do like the cameras. We have them in the ambulance that I drive at the hospital.
Thank you for this video. I always wonder how long it will take to go from Sacramento to Westminster in SoCal with a full EV vs combustion engine vehicle vs a hybrid and charging vs filling up the tank. I think I made a right decision when I bought my 2023 Lexus NX350 hybrid last month. My trip took me 5 hours and 40 mins for the entire 420 miles drive. Did not have to pull over for gas, only for a few quick bio breaks. I do not like Elon Musk that much to support his products.
I'm not looking to replace my gas car anytime soon. It gets 500 miles per tank in summer and 400 in winter. If I do have to replace it in the future, it will be a hybrid. I have zero incentive to by an EV and even less than zero to by a Tesla. I do like the fact that it takes 3 minutes to fill up.
If your getting tired you should’ve got a Mercedes they have automated driving assistant and is a closer price to a tesla which would make the comparison more fair.
I have been on 1000 km road trip with a Biomethane gas fueled VW Golf Estate TGI (probably not availiable in the US). It "charges" compressed gas in minutes and the fuel consumtion is on longer trips 3.1 kg/100 km on average 52 euros in costs for a 1000 km. A friends EV charged for 78 euros for the same trip. By the way the EV vehicle costs 20000 euro more. To bad that all attention is at EV vehicales today.
Sometimes I don’t precondition my battery cause it takes some battery to do it. When I’m going to a supercharger during higher priced hours I would just charge a bit longer but charge less by not preconditioning.
Going 81 mph really hurts range in a Model Y. If someone wanted to save more money they could probably slow down by 10 mph. This will extend your range and save money. I do wonder how much time is lost though. You slow down 10 mph for 2 hours and that means it's 20 more miles (after 2 hours) to get to your charger, but you also were either able to go further on your charge or you won't have to charge as long.
I drive a 2009 gmc 1500 2 wheel drive with a 5.3 V8 with a 22 gallon tank, I drove from Hawthorne Nevada to La Mirada California in August with the A/ C on all the way, that’s 405 miles , that’s right at 20.0 miles a gallon and I didn’t stop until I arrived, I made the trip in right around 7 hours. No EV can do this, I’ll keep my gas vehicle .I live in Meridian Idaho and always make this trip by driving straight through, gas up in Winnemucca Nevada and again in Hawthorne.
I haven’t taken a road trip in my Y, but like you I also live in Orange County and cover a territory that regularly has me going down to the San Diego area multiple times per week. I’m able to wake up with a full charge (86%) and drive down anywhere in SD, make a few stops, and head back without having to use the supercharger. I was filling up multiple times per week. So, I love the savings on fuel. I don’t think my feelings will change on a road trip as I usually fly to NorCal anyways. But maybe someday, who knows?
It depends. My job has cheap chargers. And this video skews the price due to the uploader did a road trip at one of the most busiest Superchargers at a very high peak time(Christmas Eve). In the Bay Area, if you supercharge at off peak times, the charge is significantly cheaper. A full charge will cost 13 dollars.
If I was doing this type of road trip I would not be tired in the gas car or electric car because in the gas car you can still use cruise control if you have adaptive cruise it's almost like autopilot but without Auto steer or auto lane change. For me, I would still keep a gas and electric car.
I feel like you need to do this again but with a non Tesla EV on the Super Charge America network. I hear without the free charging offered by many manufacturers it is pretty expensive.
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It seems like gas isn't as expensive as I thought on roadtrips! Elon needs to lower supercharging costs!
Please provide the length of the trip
500 miles both ways ?
I think he's priced competitively when compared to EA stations at times. However the idea behind any EV really is not the roadtrip aspect, but the regular daily commute aspect. The idea of a "full tank of gas" every morning is very appealing to many people. Especially if you're strategic about when and how much you charge at home.
Move away from California I heard you guys are paying ẩm and legs for natural gas and frequent power outages?
Some Supercharges are cheaper off-peak times, so you can save money by leaving, say at 10PM.
Or super early which is what we do!
That's why I own both. Family uses the model 3 as our daily driver and it gets the most use. We also have a gas powered midsized SUV for road trips and utility duty for moving large loads of items or people or depending on the weather or situation. Ev infustructure and technology is not at the point where I can go all in. It's best served as a daily driver.
Allot of people are going that route
Exactly what I am thinking, currently we are shopping for a new Lexus NX Hybrid to replace my wife’s 08 RX350. In a couple of years I will gift my son my 17 Lexus ES, then I am seriously considering an Porsche Taycan for comments to work and ship trip within a 100 miles radius of where we live. On longer trip, we will can use the NX hybrid on longer trips.
same here. KIA SUV for 7 people and road trips, but most daily driving is in Tesla Model 3
I plan to own both too. MiniVan is my road trip King especially for 3rd row passengers. Small families can also fold that 3rd row flat and bring the kitchen sink haha. When I go on vacation and rent a car the Minivans are all gone. I doubt Musk will ever build a boring Minivan.
lol! This will be our setup as well! We will have an SUV for long road trips and for getting visiting family around. EV will be the daily driver.
*definitely noticed its more expensive and longer to drive a tesla compare to our gas car. reason why i bought a tesla was to save on gas but I guess found it the hard way to actually do it in real life. Tesla is just meant for local trips and gas is for long drive. I guess the best combination to have is tesla and hybrid vehicle for everyday and long distance driving.*
My sister owns a model X, and she says the same thing. On long trip, it better to just take a gas vehicle car, but on your everyday driving, where your only using up to 25%-30% a day, you can literally just charge it at home when your sleeping, and you’ll probably gain most of the percentages back by the next day already.
American consumersim at its best lol.
Get a plug in prius!
Stop buying big vehicles! Specially that dog sh1t hummer
DC Fast Charging is the most expensive way to charge - it's like getting 20-25 mpg. Level 2 charging more economical way to charge if you're not in a rush. At home I get about 25 miles/$. I can level 2 charge for free at work.
Lol this idea is NOT realistic for MOST people. As of now, I am just glad everyone starting to realize the whole electric cAr false hype is fslling right on its face. They are sitting at lots unable to be sold everywhere around the country. Batteries freezing on cold weather making them useless, lol...
Can't see how buying & running 2x vehicles is genuinely cheaper? Just take the small hit on the occasional "road-trip". You'd have to be crazy to buy a second vehicle, just to save a few $ on occasional long drives.
A 2 week comparison of daily work & life routine would be dope to see the real savings of electric vs gas
Not surprised at your results. I have taken an 800 mile road trip that takes 3 hours longer than a gas vehicle. Super charging costs have almost doubled since I bought my Tesla making the cost fairly close. Gas power beats electric for road trips.
Why are you stopping for an hour every 200 miles? I am assuming you are starting the trip with 300 miles of range. I was charging my tesla in about 20 minutes for 200 miles of charge. I stopped for 45 minutes total for a 628 mile trip to Fayetteville North Carolina. Where are you stopping? Sounds like maybe you’re a troll
@M H I get much more miles than a Tesla with a Hybrid giving me 539 Miles full tank and battery fully charged, no need to stop for a 500 Mile trip, also less than $50 bucks and I get to my destination much earlier than a Tesla, because I don't need to charge as my battery recharges as I'm driving. 😎
@@MH-wm6df Pl DO NOT Offend other Drivers You'll reap bad outcomes somewhere along the way :(
And as we all know the road trips are THE measuring factor for a car as most people do them almost daily.
Oh wait....
@@josephayala232 lol I had a Prius. No, thank you. Not even the same type of vehicle. I really wanted another BMW M3 but decided with the M3 performance Tesla, because it was better in every single way. If I wanted a Prius, I may start looking at Chevy bolt. you cant equate the two cars unfortunately. 95% of my charging is from solar anyway. Much more efficient than the Prius.
From my math, it looks like the Tesla actually cost almost $20 more than the Lexus for this trip. I think your calculations way are off. On your only fill-up for the Lexus during the trip, you put 8.793 gallons of gas in the car at $5.20 per gallon, for a total of $45.71. You drove 143 miles prior to that fill-up. That means you average a paltry 143/8.793 = 16.263 MPG in the Lexus. When you arrived at your destination you had 132 miles left in the Lexus' tank, but only 43 miles left in the batteries for the Tesla. Which means that the Lexus had 89 miles worth of range more than the Tesla at your destination. It cost $37 to get the Tesla to that point. However, if you both arrived with exactly 43 miles of range left in each vehicle, you would need to subtract 89/16.263 = 5.4725 gallons of fuel from the Lexus. Which means that the Lexus actually cost 5.4725 x $5.20 = $28.457 less than what you calculated to get to the same destination with the same amount of range left. That means that the trip only cost $45.71 - 28.457 = $17.25 for the Lexus. So it actually cost $37 - 17.25 = $19.75 more to drive the Tesla on this trip!
Also, there is no need to "warm up" a late model (within the last 10 years or so) gas car. You're just wasting gas letting it sit idle like that and actually causing damage to the engine. You can actually just start a late model gas car and drive it moderately for about 5-8 minutes to get it warm, which is usually how long it takes most of us to get to the highway. Once the car is warmed up, you can drive it at highway speed. It takes forever to warm a car at idle!
So in reality you have 132 miles of range left on the Lexus which means you really saved less than $8 (assuming you charge the Tesla so it would have 132 miles of range left to match or pumped 2-3 gallons less gas). It also took about 1 hour longer in the Tesla. Thanks for doing the comparison.
Yeah- my time is worth WAY more than $8/hour. I don't think my new Model 3 will every see a supercharger unless there's some kind of emergency.
Damn $12 difference. Great video and really puts in perspective how far EV cars have to go before there is mass adoption
Supercharging needs to be cheaper for sure
Not really a fair comparison though. The Model Y is a more powerful car than the RX. 0-60 is more than 6 seconds in the RX and only 4.2 in the Model Y.
From what I understand most charging is at home which is a fraction compared to supercharging. Yeah supercharging is expensive relatively, but you can’t beat the supercharging network. These prices have built this awesome network. CCS charging can’t hold a candle to Tesla.
@@gabrielcastillo7947 How is that relevant to a normal road trip?
@@andreym95 Because the Model Y inherently uses more power than the car it was being compared to, so it's not entirely accurate to conclude that the cost to charge isn't that cheap based on the comparison. The cost savings would be greater if he'd compared the Model Y to taking a road trip in a comparably powerful car like an Audi RS Q3. The fact that the Model Y is still cheaper to drive than the car he compared it to says a lot actually.
One important note.. when at supercharger you should stop at 75%. After that the rate of charging speed slows and wasting time and money. So just charge to at most 75% and then go!
thanks 4 the tip
then your range is reduced dude; no point to use EV car ...? False /misleading Ad on EV cars...?
@@chavale2 not at all. You are charging to get to the next stop otherwise you are wasting time and money.
Charge enough to get to the next stop and keep it moving
@@chidorirasenganz assuming the next stop is open (no wait line) and has working chargers.
@@Mr1T2X1 always is and the status is always updated in the car
Previous Model S owner…couple years back, I needed to be at a meeting in TPA
Due to lack of chargers in TX (at the time), Tesla routed me up and over, amounting to several days drive; I got there in 25 hours in my Infiniti
Gas will always be cheaper
I love the RX. Super comfortable, smooth, and the intelligent cruise is pretty impressive. Slap a comma ai device and you get basic levels of autopilot for about 2k.
Here is one main point that skews your test results, there is a mechanical or electrical issue with the Lexus RX350, you should on average be getting 23 mpg not 17 mpg even if you drive like a whacky Fumanchu, so in reality the RX350 was cheaper and faster to drive. Second you still had a half a tank of fuel left over in the RX350 where the Tesla needed a recharge to get it to 50%
I think there is a better cost comparison?
For Tesla total cost is 0-100% home charge cost + supercharge cost to get destination.
For Lexus is Full tank cost + whatever needed to get there.
I have a Model Y and Lexus NX300.
For 500 Miles, Tesla would cost me around $50 CAD, and Lexus would cost me around $140 CAD
A false saving Dude; A stupid idea to drive an EV car; What is life for Bro? Are you a Budhist. Monk like me in the past?
Any difference in registration fees or insurance costs between the vehicles? I understand that the Tesla costs to repair are significant so insurance premiums are higher. Is that true?
@@Mr1T2X1 for my insurance model y is only $10 cheapper, we dont have Tesla Insurance in Canada.
Tesla Insurance can be a lot cheapper.
@@kylej1475 very good..thanks!
I’ve done few cross country trips on the highways & have seen few teslas driving slower than the semi trucks to save energy in hot summer times. Today’s EVs are still in its infancy & it’s still a good vehicle to get around town in daily usage. Not for long distance, unless you don’t mind the wait times, don’t travel to hot spots like Vegas during busy times, they’ll be waiting for charger to open up, before you could start charging.
Absolutely right had a same experience in Vegas. Terrible mistake taking an electric car on a road trip.
Surprising to me that the benefit of an EV isn’t really as drastic as I would have thought for a road trip. Interesting to see the cost vs time benefit of a road trip too. Maybe more savings over the long term but not easily noticeable on a road trip. Great video!
I think my biggest issue is that on road trips I only stop every 340 miles to use the restroom and fill up. I hate stopping. An EV wouldn't work for me because I have no patience on road trips.
I think the beauty of an EV is in the city. In a road trip which you go over 80 mph, EV is worse.
@@egaskrad I guess another issue would be not having a home charger. I live 30 miles outside the city. I'd blow 25% of the range getting to work (30 mile drive in cold weather in hilly conditions doing 80 on the highway).
Same. I would definitely keep a gas vehicle for long trips and an EV for daily driving, if I were to go EV.
Comparison was a joke. First of all he didn’t drive 500 miles @ 17 mpg for $45. That is $114. You can’t count the gas in the tank as free. Secondly, everyone leaves with a full charge, which at my house would be the first 250 miles for $9.00. Even if you use $0.43/kWh, the next 250 miles is only around $30, so the Tesla is approximately 34% the cost of the Lexus to drive 500 miles. What he also didn’t account for is that it is very easy at destinations to charge for 100% free at destination chargers at hotels or restaurants. My first 1000 miles on my model Y was a total of $23 due to all the free local destination chargers I was able to use on our trip to OC MD. Also If I had a level 2 charger installed, it would have been half that price, as BGE offers off Peak EV charging for $0.06/ kWh instead of my $0.13/ kWh on 110V. Also that doesn’t even include the $10/month total electric bill discount from signing up for EVpulse which automatically controls your charging off peak times, which is basically an entire 250 miles of charge free per month. EV’s are way cheaper than gas by far and way cheaper by far than in CA.
Thanks for making the video. Time is money…sounds like you need to take so many detours just to charge. But you guys are in warm California, but here in the east coast with 20 degree winter weather you can see a huge decrease of battery efficiency up to 25% less. Great for short trips but no good for longer drives.
I have a Tesla and would never take it to roadtrip again. I know it can pretty much go anywhere, but it takes planning not only for supercharging, but also the hotel location selections, etc. It also takes longer to travel. On a road trip, I wanna get to the destinations faster so I can enjoy my time at where I suppose to be and do more there. Sometimes the best route and hotel location would not be near superchargers, so it is a pain to charge. And I don’t wanna stay somewhere near superchargers in a hotel that I don’t like so. It’s just too much work to drive an EV for roadtrip. I would just pay the gas and get to my place fast and enjoy the time playing, not charging. But for everyday drive, Tesla for the win.
I'm the opposite. I did a 4000 miles trip in my Tesla last summer and loved every minute. Would never use a gas car on a long trip again. If I want to get there quickly I will fly.
I absolutely agree. Electric car for the daily driving not road trips. Spending too much time to charge is very annoying.
Agree i have a f150 with the 36gallon thank i get over 800miles per tank and i travel once a month to mexico 1300miles 1 way i only fuel up once and still make it home with fuel electric trucks,cars not even an option for me total cost on fuel tolls food its 300dlls 1 way flying has cost me 600dlls ive done it couple times buying tickets time ahead and thats why i would rather drive saves me half on money and driving vs flying for me its about 7hrs longer driving i count the time when i leave my house in usa till i make it in my house in mexico
@@SpottedSharks thanks lol more gas cars for us lol cause while you’re stuck charging your car, I’m already halfway
I think I'll be the opposite, time will tell. I typically hate road trips because I don't enjoy the driving part. I just got a Tesla and am actually looking forward to some road trip and to sound cliche, it's about the journey not the destination. We'll see how it goes.
Avoiding the aching back is worth a lot. Last long trip in our Civic was torturous. Our Model 3LR has great seats and we pay $.09 per KWH charging at home. Nice.
but your civic cost half as much and if you have to use superchargers it would cost more than gas too.
Lots of factors will change the outcome. If you had a fuel efficient gas car.. like a Hybrid version of that lexus, The cost would be about HALF what you paid in gas...
I'm surprised the Lexus was less comfortable.
I think you are right about people not knowing the best way to roadtrip in an EV..they charge to 100% every time.. or something.
better education by tesla would help.. though there are plenty of good road tripping videos out there.
My y performance is so much cheaper to travel in when compared to my 2017 Gt 350! Traveling from Orlando to Miami it cost me around 16 dollars with 1 stop in the Tesla and nonstop in the mustang 50 dollars( 4 bucks/gallon). The time is 4 hours in the Tesla and 3 and 1/2 hours in the mustang. So only 30 minutes difference which allows me to relax and stretch my legs. Great review!
For $12 saving and we have to pay $65k for Y model? For same size car, how much for a Camry or Malibu ? That’s said, we have to pay $40k in advance gas with Y model ?
One overlooked aspect on long road trips with your entire family is the comparison of safety, especially on the 5.
That’s true
Both cars in this video have very good safety
@@TeddyBearGaming999 that might be so, but for comparison's sake, the Lexus has lower NHTSA marks for frontal crash and rollover.
@@Eyeahmdarck66 mmm true, but the lexus wins the upper hand in terms of reliability and less risk of an electrical fire.
@@Kingnumber-nd9cl maybe true for reliability but the Lexus has a higher risk for fire. Electric vehicles in general have a lower risk of fire compared to a gas car compared to popular belief
Here in Tennessee, gas is $3 per gallon. The range of battery powered cars would have to double and the price fall in order to compete with gas powered vehicles.
That's silly-cheap for gas. But it's not all about the cost of gas vs electric, it's also about carbon footprint etc. If you don't give one (by which I mean a F***), then fine, your choice entirely. Home charge electric would still be cheaper, but EVs cost more to start with... Horses for courses.
After took my model x 100d from Dallas to Florida, I decide to buy a gas car again, it was a torture to follow the charging station route , even it is the fastest route, you have no choice if you find a more interesting route .
Pretty much did the same road trip to see Hearst Castle from Fountain Valley. It did take time but with 2 children at the age of 2 and 1 the supercharger stops were more convenient when they got irritable. Also we left earlier in the AM and the price at the first stop was a little cheaper
I'm glad I came across this video. I got a really good deal on a Model 3 LR rental for 7 days. It was like $350. I think I'm gonna just get a gas car rental instead. I'm going on a 1500 mile road trip. There are ample chargers but still. I'd be wasting 3 to 4 hours charging.
It’s still fun charging you should try it!
With road trips under 500 miles, I find that there isn't much added time due to charging if I have my family + dog with me. My family wants to get out every couple hours and take bio-breaks and get snacks (which leads to bio-breaks later). Dog needs a walk and potty break too. So, we end up spending about 20 minutes at each stop anyway. As long as we stay near the bottom of the battery pack, we can usually get a solid 150 miles out of each 20 minute charge. The hardest one is normally the first top because I really want to maximize that initial leg - which could be 200+ miles - and not everyone can make it that far. Also, on all-day trips, we often want to stop for a meal too - so that is an opportunity to get a full charge in. While road tripping with our minivan, we would often fill up in 5-7 minutes, and sometimes get snacks and someone would need to go to the bathroom mid-cycle anyway - so there goes another 10-15 minutes at a rest area - especially with the dog. Family really doesn't like it when I time their bathroom breaks. If I drive solo, I do end up waiting on the car for charging, but I also want to slow down anyway since I'm the only one driving and need to get out and stretch. Longer trips, there are times when we have to wait on charging. I do counterbalance that with the fact that the vast majority of the time I am at home, thus I never to go near a gas station for daily errands and commute.
Also, you need to factor in the energy used to reach your first charging stop - so used kW * your local power rate.
You could have streamlined it a bit more by stopping at below 10% state of charge - it's a bit more aggressive than the Tesla nav prefers then filling up just enough to reach the next v3 supercharger or as the rate dips below 150kWh. Check out Out of Spec for their aggressive style of road tripping in EVs.
It’s funny how he talks crap about the Lexus and he’s giving it to his mom. 😂 “Here, have this crappy car.” 😂 It’s super entertaining to watch though. Love his videos!
Haha it’s still a good car lol
@@EverydayChris I know I was just messing with ya. Very nice gift for your mom!
@@EverydayChris man Lexus has better quality than Tesla, also more reliable than a Tesla
A Lexus is probably better than a Tesla. Shorter wait time for filling up and most likely better reliability. The only thing Tesla has over the Lexus is the cheaper costs for recharging and it's better for the environment
I drove my Prius from Corona to San Francisco and didn't have to put Gas at all until the next day. I believe it was over 420 miles trip.
To save $8 at the cost of adding an hour+ to the trip.
I'll be keeping my XLR and CTS V wagon!
You will mostly benefit the saving from charging at home and the maintain cost, if it was my opinion I would trade the XLR for like a model 3 performance and keep the CTS V wagon as 1 it is rare and 2 it's badass in my opinion and 3 I can road trip in it faster.
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I don't find Tesla vehicles to be attractive to my eyes. I would not own one because I'd have to see daily.
For me Tesla's look like children born to mothers that refused to stop drinking drugging and smoking during pregnancy.
@@bidensucks6792 It really depends on who you ask like theres people who only like there cars design and that they think there suvs look like an egg and theres people who just hates them, in my opinion the model X is just an egg, the model 3 and model s looks alright and the model Y looks like a bmw x4, mersades glc coupe, the cybertruck is just ugly as shit to me, looks like a car from the jettisons tv show.
The Tesla's autopilot used to assist in driver fatigue can't be overstated. You feel completely different after a drive in a Tesla
Plenty of other cars have good driver assist systems.. some better than Autopilot...at least for highway use. Gm's SuperCruise is amazing on mapped roads.
Personally I like driving.. and would find just sitting there.. boring and more tiresome.
@@kens97sto171 I think you have it wrong. Tesla autopilot requires participation. And I usually phase in and out of autopilot. It's a tool not a replacement. However when you need it, it's fully capable.
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That can be said for any of the driver assistance programs. My point is there are some that actually do a better job of driving than Tesla autopilot does.
For me having to touch the wheel and move it every 30 seconds is more annoying than just driving it myself.
GM's super Cruise only requires that you be paying attention and looking forward with your eyes open.
VW's system doesn't require you to put torque input into the steering wheel, it only requires that you touch the steering wheel. Teslas have pretty twitchy steering especially at highway speeds. Having to actually move the wheel to tell the car you're paying attention isn't really the best solution.
I'm kind of a road warrior, probably driven 3 million miles in the last 30 years..
Biggest part of driving assistance that would be useful to me is more the radar cruise control. Maintaining safe distance, and being able to avoid things that unexpectedly pop up like someone slamming on the brakes etc. The steering part I pretty much do unconsciously anyway.
@@kens97sto171 like I said. You have it wrong. I have several cars. Tesla autopilot is in another level. Sorry. I have no political agenda and I'm unbiased. It's just on a whole other level.
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What the hell does politics have to do with it? Like I said. Your experiences with autopilot. My experience is watching professional car reviewers actually test these systems. And autopilot from Tesla is very good. But there are better systems that function under a wider variety of parameters with less user input. GM SuperCruise is one of those. The big negative on that system is it only works on mapped highways. Check out out of spec motoring TH-cam channel. They have a test they do called the hogback challenge where they run a variety of vehicles on a particularly difficult loop, and grade it based on its features available. And then take points away when it fails under certain circumstances. Autopilot always does well in this test. Others do better. And others function in different ways that may or may not be more attractive to some people. Like I said personally I would not want to have to apply torque to the steering wheel to tell the car that I'm paying attention, that causes the car to wiggle around and at high speeds can be somewhat troublesome. I would prefer to have a capacitive steering wheel like in the VW. Or GM and Ford which use eye tracking to make sure that you're actually paying attention and other than that don't require any other input from the driver when it's engaged.
Great info!!! We rented a Tesla recently and boy was there a learning curve!!! We didn’t know about the faster charging in the lower range! Good to know!
the lexus only used half tank so the cost of fuel was really 23 dollars.
Great comparison! Time is money that is why I don’t mind paying extra gas for my 23 Tundra.
Its a interesting comparison. I happened to own a 2019 RX-F and just purchased a 2023 Model y last month. I love both. My wife drives RX and Y is mine:)
Haha nice!
Gas is cheaper. I made a mistake renting a Tesla on my Vegas trip from San Francisco. You have to have your settings on chill mode and comfort steering to not waste the battery. I made the mistake charging over the 80% mark which ate up more time. If you're traveling from the Bay Area to Los Angeles, add an additional 2 hours to your destination.
Thanks for the comparison. However, you could've filled up at the cheaper Valero ($4.29) adjacent to the Chevron ($5.19) and saved $7. And with a 1/2 tank remaining the Lexus net fuel costs were half vs. the Tesla? And difficult to monetize the 1/2 hour time differential.
Stopping to supercharge is actually part of the fun for me. Now it cost me $80 to fill up my gas car (a large premium guzzling sedan), and about $50 worth of supercharging for equivalent mileage. My first leg leaving home is not charged at a SC, whereas my gas is coming from a station.
Enjoyed the video. My experience is that in my model y - road trips do take longer, which we are okay with usually, and are about the price of a gasoline car that would get ~45 mpg.
Hybrids are better then since hybrids get 45mpg and cam fill up quicker easier and drives farther in one fillup
@@joo02 I agree that hybrids make a lot of sense on a road trip. For most of the time when you aren’t on a road trip, electric has a big advantage. A plug in hybrid might be the best of both worlds?
great video Chris! Appreciate the extra effort you guys put into to make it an accurate comparison
Thanks Jess!
This is a really good video, and edited very well! Thanks Chris!! :)
Yay thank you cosmic girl 910! Haha
Great Video Chris/Jan. I did similar trip in an EV recently and got somewhat similar charging results. Have you done a similar comparison between an EV vs. a hybrid that get 40+ miles per gallon? You might be surprised that a hybrid maybe less expensive for road-tripping. Also, please show how busy the Superchargers really are, like on weekends and holidays. They are packed, not empty like in your videos. 😄. Keep making the great videos. Thanks.
Yup, experience the same thing. I save $$$ driving my Prius to SoCal than my Model 3. The difference between EV and Gas is the waiting time.
I prefer a hybrid (gasoline electric non plug in). Have a Ford Fusion Hybrid I drove coast to coast. Got 41 MPG after a 2900 mile road trip. Amazing on gas. Although Im sure the self driving Tesla’s are amazing, Im just not too keen on a full electric car because of the availability of charging stations. The US isnt there yet, a hybrid suite me just fine, for now.
Haha will do
I found Tesla Model Y seats so firm that I canceled my order.
Yup, Tesla Y is not a mobile sofa, for sure. Did you test the S or X? They might be more to your taste, tbh.
What are you used to sitting on? I find this to be subjective for many. Including motorcycle riders, and mattresses… I thought the model y seats were amazing. I’ve sat in the new model 3 and X and didn’t find them to be a large difference in comfort.
@@brettw1518 My Y is super comfortable.
I saw $6.99 per galon in Monrovia, CA today. and it is going up, and i paid $0.37 per kw charging last night in Tesla supercharging station. I paid less than $4.00 for 14% of my Model Y. It is not matter of the $, it is matter of how you feel when you pay hot $100 cash for 17 galon of gas every time.
I bought my Model Y knowing it would take longer to road trip with compared to a gas car. But as you mentioned in the video, Autopilot and the supercharging stops helps to take so much of the stress from long distance driving that people normally get when going long distances.
The increased planning it takes to do a route can be fun though. And in some cases it helped me find new places to visit along my route, such as the Badlands when I was driving to Yellowstone, Petrified Forest National Park and Meteor Crater on my way to the Grand Canyon, Avenue of the Giants while visiting northern California, and driving through the Tail of the Dragon which was close by to Great Smoky Mountains National Park.
My average supercharging times are around 15-25 minutes depending on if it's a V1/V2 or V3, and how far the next supercharger is from the one I'm charging at. My record for shortest supercharger stop was about 7 minutes, which was at a V3, and that was the time it took me to go to the bathroom and back.
And when I'm not on a road trip and just doing daily driving to work and local shopping trips, it's so much cheaper, and I love being able to "fuel up" in my garage whereas with a gas car I'd have to take it to a gas station every week in freezing cold, sweltering heat, or heavy downpours, paying random gas prices which always seems to go up just before I have to pump.
well, petrol car has cruise control and you do not have to worry about the pedal most of the time. even with autopilot, you still need to keep your eyes on the road, ready to take over any time. so the only different is your hands, which I left on my laps holding the bottom of the wheel. dont think it is going to be a big different on a highway.
Gas cars are still better
The cost of filling up gas vs charging at home should’ve been considered at the beginning. Also the time it took filling up gas before the trip.
i literally just took a road trip in my 2022 model y performance. We went from San Jose down to San Diego, Ca. Electric is definitely took much more time, and cost more compared to gas cars. Dont think i'll ever pull that stunt again. It was way too much charging and time spent at superchargers.
Dang I like how a lot of superchargers are in cool areas!
I’m planning to make a similar trip from sj to anaheim when the Y arrives in a month or so. I kept reading of the longer time at supercharges and don’t really like it much as I’m mostly a stop, refill and go. The downtime at SC will be tough to get use to. From mapping, it looks like I can do one SC stop around kettleman then one short one at Tejon and then be in OC. Another thing is hotel as the one I usually stay isn't near a SC or has fast on site charges . It would definitely a new experience.
they are charging at peak hours price varies by time if you travel at night that price would be cut in half and if you do uber you get 40% off charging at EvGo branded chargers
Did a similar trip socal to norcal. I left with 50% charge and had to supercharge 3 times, gas car filled once and was always waiting for / with me. So gas is much faster.
Personally though, I'd always plan so I can take the Tesla. Far less stressful with FSD, and the breaks are relaxing.
I didn't see you guys eating or mention stopping to eat, so I'd like to add the fact that if you did stop to eat, the trip time difference would be a lot smaller since you can charge during.
That’s true. Or if I had to poop. That’s 30 min right there
@@EverydayChris haha
Always like your vids. Thanks for sharing your comparison. Looks like your mom was very appreciative of her new ride.
Thanks Jeff!
This is such a fun video! Petition to have more Everyday Jan content:)
Haha
Nice video. I have a 2015 Lexus RX and 2020 M3P. I still find the RX very comfortable (not sure why you find the ride uncomfortable, maybe just the gear shifting and braking?), but Tesla is definitely more comfortable for road trip and is the preferred choice. Btw, the supercharging is slower if someone is charging next to you. It looks like both stops you didn't have anyone charging next to your Y.
It’s the f sport seats! Everyone said it’s very rigid.
150KW V2 superchargers do split power between a/b stalls, but they stopped at v3 250KW superchargers which are full speed/power to every stall... it can make a big difference, especially arriving low 15-25% charge, you get full 250kw power, it goes very fast.
AP/tesla relaxed driving is definitely a plus- We did a 12hr roadtrip to Death Valley from bay area (a few scenic stops on way, poppy reserve by Lancaster etc), and despite the long drive, 8a-8p, I was feeling very good by the evening arrival... MUCH MUCH better than even 4-5hr drives to Tahoe in gas car! I was gripping steering wheel tight on some of the steep curvy parts going into the valley, missed AutoPilot, but... so much nicer. and, free hotel charging in valley saved me $100 vs $9/gal park gas!!
Superchargers in Europe tend to require drivers to leave the motorway and then drive to either a hotel car park or a bank of Superchargers.
Refuelling an ICE car can easily be done without needing to leave the motorway at all.
Then theres price fixing where electricity has been priced to match the mpg of an average saloon. This means the cost is the same but overall journey time can be hours longer.
I've been researching cost of ownership between ICE and EVs, and with the help of AI I did a rough estimate from info found online between a Honda Accord(gas & hybrid) and a Tesla Model 3. Assuming that I pay 30k for either vehicle, I found that the Hybrid is slightly cheaper to own than the gas version over the 15 years. It is the cost of insurance and battery replacement that unfortunately kills it for the EVs at the moment. The gas ends up being around 29-30k cheaper than the Tesla. Hybrid ends up being around $3k-4k cheaper than the gas.
Dont you have to pay delivery on the use of electricity? Here in pa we have to pay supply and delivery. Supply is about 9 cents per kw and delovery about 9 to 10 cents
Plug in hybrids are opt for both city and freeways. Avg. we drive 50 miles a day on city which can be done by plug-ins with pure battery and freeway long trips save time and not worry about charging. Remember plug-in hybrids like rav4 prime gives 40 miles in freeways.
I drive 18 hours straight to Orlando from Chicago.
I would never buy an electric if it was my only car.
I would go by rail, if there's an option. That's a killer journey on the road... Do you do the whole run without stopping for an "essential need", or food? Don't know the route, but you can charge most Tesla's from 10% to 80% in the 20 mins it takes to go to a rest-room, then buy and consume a burger or coffee.
@@Roll_the_Bones it takes me 5 minutes to gas up and piss. I have food in the cooler.
Sorry but EV’s are a compromise I’m not willing to make.
Great video. We usually road trip in the F-150 but we’re considering a Model Y so I’m renting one for our 500 mile trip next week to see how we like it. Looking forward to checking it out.
Good choice! Try and get FSD!
I drive a Prius (48-51 mpg) and live in Pittsburgh. We don't have much of a charging infrastructure for EVs. Gas is around $3.80 - $4. If you don't need the bells and whistles I still think the best value is a Prius.
Can you link where you got those 19 in wheels? They look like the 20 in induction wheels but I imagine these being smaller gets you better range. Great channel. Thanks!
Haha check out my dedicated video!! Thank you!
over 98% of your driving is less than 300miles per day. Even if your roundtrip everyday is 280miles, you charge nightly every day. I drive around 200 miles per week on average and charge maybe once in 4 days and do it overnight when I'm parked in my garage. I program to start after 9pm and charging stops at 90% by 3-4am so always paying the lowest rate. Basically $10 to go 300miles! People think you always have to plug in and so misinformed about this. I park in my garage and plug in but no electricity flows until after 9pm. I go without charging for several days. If going on roadtrip, longer than 300miles, I drive 250miles or every 4hours, stop for 20min and just charge back upto 80% and off I go. I have a coffee break. I stop twice when going from Toronto to New York. Overall, TESLA is the most fun, fastest, roomiest, and safest car. So glad I decided to get one over a LEXUS or BMW or HONDA, etc..
Facts!
Yes! I pay around $5 for 300 miles when charging last midnight . Road trips are the best with Tesla. I drive to North Carolina every month which is 1200 miles round trip and I stop for 50 minutes each way. Less fatigue and I love beating lambos and Ferraris and corvettes in towns
It is still a gas friendly estimation, when you have startet at home you had a complete fill for half the price in your battery while the Gas car was most certainly filled at the gas station.
Just purchased the Model Y performance and don't plan on taking it for road trips. It seems too inconvenient to stop for 30 or 40 min just to charge.
Can you leave your car unattended? Like to eat and pee while it charges?
If I was driving for 6 hours I would be stopping around about every 2 hours irrespective of EV or ICE vehicle. Hopefully my partner would take the middle stint, to break it up.
I generally find that on a journey of this distance I need to charge for about 45 minutes, our charger network is predominantly 50kw chargers, and that is enough time to find and use the toilet, get refreshments, and stretch my legs. It's not time spent just waiting for the charger.
According to the manufacturers data if I had the petrol equivalent of my EV I would achieve 4.4 litres per 100km and the current price of petrol is $2.22/litre so my recent 1800km roadie would have cost $175.8. (It would have cost more in practice travelling at non optimal speeds over mountain passes, and with fuel more expensive away from the main cities, not to mention fuel economy figures being inaccurate). The cost of the 5 charges during the trip totalled $114.
Most of our charging is done at home, and a good amount of that is free due to the solar system on the roof, I have only used public chargers 39 times in close to 3 years of EV ownership, and some of those were to educate myself regarding their use, and utilise free chargers where they were available.
Why are the batteries being recharged with 60+ miles (20%) left? You'll save at least 20 minutes if you charge from a lower charge
EV’s aren’t as convenient as presented which is why I’ve held off on getting on. Too few charging stations, the length of time to charge, it’s pretty much almost as expensive to charge as gas prices are. Just not there yet.
Avg in California for PGE is .39-.50 per kWhr. Almost comparable to most EV charging stations.
I really enjoy your content! Your editing skills and music choices are top-notch. Although most of what you discuss (about 95%) doesn’t apply to me since I have a first-gen Model S, I still enjoy watching your videos. Could you please update your Amazon shop list?
My experience is that road tripping my MY is a wash vs. buying gas due to high cost of supercharging and takes longer. That said I only pay 0.11 per Kwhr for electricity so home charging for everyday driving is a real savings.
Did you forget to add the cost needed toward your oil change interval, transmission service intervals etc on the gas car?
really interesting video. 12$ doesnt seem like a lot but when you factor in how many miles you put on the gas car (which would lead to more frequent oil changes), how it was average 50-60 to fill up gas but only ~17$ to charge... im pretty split! i love the quickness of a gas car but you cant beat how much you save with a tesla and honestly im fine extending my trip if it means im saving that much
Great point!
If you value and hour of your life in $8.71 go for it
We own a model y but we don’t do long trips on it takes away time that you can use at your final destination
You complained about driver fatigue but did you not use adaptive cruise control feature on the Lexus? Of course it’s not as good as AP but still effective. My vote is to use ICE cars on road trips. No brainer.
I did brah still had to keep hands on wheels and be more aware than auto pilot.
I wonder if it makes a difference if you stop more but only charge 5-10 minutes (aka: enough to get to another charger with 10-15% and avoid charging over 60%.
Great video and so nice of you two to gift your parents a really nice vehicle
Thanks so much!
For road trips, gas car is the way to go, for every day 30 miles, commuting to work and just grocery shopping,Tesla for the win.
EVERDAY JAN!!!!! Taking over the Cam!!! 🎉🎉
Big question: How does getting the vehicles fully topped up impact the cost of the trip? What counts is the fuel used between start and end. That is when you top up.
If that Lexus is so juddery it needs a tune up.
One more thing. To be an honest comparison, the gas vehicle should be run to ¼ tank before refueling. It is only a 500 mile trip. I have had cars that can do that on a single tank. I have had one car that could do that and have a further 100+ miles of range. That is on an 18.5 US gallon tank. That was also a very comfortable 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis with the 5.8 litre engine that also had the factory towing package. It was an easy highway car. I drove it from Toronto, Ontario, Canada to Key West, Florida.
Dont you have to pay monthly for the Tesla Navigation? 10 bucks a month? Thats crazy
Nope. 10 bucks is for sentry mode live footage, premium connectivity stuff like music and traffic. It does still route but you can't see the traffic data.
Awww I loved ur moms reaction! Great son & daughter in law. Informative video. I drive anAccord. But I a,ways like watching the Teslas charge at rest stops & such here in the Chicagoland area.
After driving a Tesla for over a year now I must say we have a ways to go with EV before gas is obsolete. Supercharging is affordable but takes about 50 mins depending on state of charge whereas a gas car is fueled in 50 seconds and gone in 60 🤣 I love the model y but if it’s a road trip I’m driving gas for sure. Not enough of a supercharging network on the east coast yet either. Gas stations however are everywhere
50 minutes? Are you drivig the X? I drive 4 hours between Santa Barbara every week. I always start at 80% charge and have to charge once halfway, which takes 20-25 minutes max to get me home. Maybe if I was at 5% and tried to charge to 100 it would take 50 minutes but that would be pretty unnecessary in most cases. I've never been close to that. A 20 minute break to stretch the legs on a 4 hour drive ends up being perfect. Also want to say my other car is a 4runner and costs about 4x as much to drive around.
I drove my sister's Model 3 last Saturday. She has her car set to hold and that was a little annoying. It is difficult to cover my brake when approaching a stale green light in anticipation to stop. I also had difficulty reading the screen. Is there an option to change the font size? I guess you have to get used to where the important information is on the screen. I do like the cameras. We have them in the ambulance that I drive at the hospital.
Thank you for this video. I always wonder how long it will take to go from Sacramento to Westminster in SoCal with a full EV vs combustion engine vehicle vs a hybrid and charging vs filling up the tank.
I think I made a right decision when I bought my 2023 Lexus NX350 hybrid last month. My trip took me 5 hours and 40 mins for the entire 420 miles drive. Did not have to pull over for gas, only for a few quick bio breaks. I do not like Elon Musk that much to support his products.
I'm not looking to replace my gas car anytime soon. It gets 500 miles per tank in summer and 400 in winter. If I do have to replace it in the future, it will be a hybrid. I have zero incentive to by an EV and even less than zero to by a Tesla. I do like the fact that it takes 3 minutes to fill up.
Also if you use premium gas in a lexus v6, you will get much better performance and mpg
Thanks Chris! This is the exact comparison I needed. I have an RX and was thinking of the Model Y.
Lots of people are in the same boat! Gotta love the new rx styling though
Driving teslas for 8 years . No car I’d rather take on long road trips
If you had a hybrid SUV you could cut the gas price almost in half.
If your getting tired you should’ve got a Mercedes they have automated driving assistant and is a closer price to a tesla which would make the comparison more fair.
We rented a Model 3 on Turo for our mini road trips. Never again with an EV. PHEV is the BEST CHOICE
Phevis is always solid.
I have been on 1000 km road trip with a Biomethane gas fueled VW Golf Estate TGI (probably not availiable in the US). It "charges" compressed gas in minutes and the fuel consumtion is on longer trips 3.1 kg/100 km on average 52 euros in costs for a 1000 km. A friends EV charged for 78 euros for the same trip. By the way the EV vehicle costs 20000 euro more. To bad that all attention is at EV vehicales today.
Sometimes I don’t precondition my battery cause it takes some battery to do it. When I’m going to a supercharger during higher priced hours I would just charge a bit longer but charge less by not preconditioning.
Good tips Pete!
Going 81 mph really hurts range in a Model Y. If someone wanted to save more money they could probably slow down by 10 mph. This will extend your range and save money. I do wonder how much time is lost though. You slow down 10 mph for 2 hours and that means it's 20 more miles (after 2 hours) to get to your charger, but you also were either able to go further on your charge or you won't have to charge as long.
I drive a 2009 gmc 1500 2 wheel drive with a 5.3 V8 with a 22 gallon tank, I drove from Hawthorne Nevada to La Mirada California in August with the A/ C on all the way, that’s 405 miles , that’s right at 20.0 miles a gallon and I didn’t stop until I arrived, I made the trip in right around 7 hours. No EV can do this, I’ll keep my gas vehicle .I live in Meridian Idaho and always make this trip by driving straight through, gas up in Winnemucca Nevada and again in Hawthorne.
I haven’t taken a road trip in my Y, but like you I also live in Orange County and cover a territory that regularly has me going down to the San Diego area multiple times per week. I’m able to wake up with a full charge (86%) and drive down anywhere in SD, make a few stops, and head back without having to use the supercharger. I was filling up multiple times per week. So, I love the savings on fuel. I don’t think my feelings will change on a road trip as I usually fly to NorCal anyways. But maybe someday, who knows?
So as daily driver who need to depend on superchargers is it wise to still have the electric or gas
It depends. My job has cheap chargers. And this video skews the price due to the uploader did a road trip at one of the most busiest Superchargers at a very high peak time(Christmas Eve). In the Bay Area, if you supercharge at off peak times, the charge is significantly cheaper. A full charge will cost 13 dollars.
If I was doing this type of road trip I would not be tired in the gas car or electric car because in the gas car you can still use cruise control if you have adaptive cruise it's almost like autopilot but without Auto steer or auto lane change. For me, I would still keep a gas and electric car.
I feel like you need to do this again but with a non Tesla EV on the Super Charge America network. I hear without the free charging offered by many manufacturers it is pretty expensive.
Out of Spec Motoring does this extensively.