Two other considerations...insurance for hybrid vehicles is usually higher than gas. There are fewer independent mechanics that can work on a hybrid. You may need dealership maintenance after the warranty expires, and that can be expensive.
I never thought at the beginning of 2022 I would consider an absolute bargain being MSRP and no dealer fees added for a 2022 hybrid Rav 4. Also thankful it was the last month rates were 3%. Sucks to see dealers driving the price so high these days.
After years of evaluation, I go with Hybrid. Hybrid turned out to be long lasting vehicles compared to gas only vehicles. My First Generation 2002 Prius sedan lasted forever without any major repairs. Main battery was still in perfect shape at 260K miles when it was totaled during a winter storm flooding.
@@grahamfloyd3451 Pretty sure this is about the gas savings between the hybrid and ICE.. A lot of people are scared of hybrids because they hear bad stories. The fact is those bad stories are mostly from crappy car companies like Ford and GM
UPDATE: I’ve bought the Fourth Generation Toyota Sienna Hybrid to replace my 2005 Toyota Sienna still runs great at 325K miles, just wanted a newer Sienna for the family. I love the 600 miles range on single tank of regular gas and the 5 minutes fill up at gas station convenient stores with refreshments and restrooms 😁there are so many technology features, very impressive. I especially like the good visibility LED headlights, radar cruise control, Apple play screen.I wished Toyota had offered the seats cup holders just like like my 2005 Sienna.
Another thing is that idle time with hybrids is significantly shorter than a regular gas engine. On my CR-V, I could keep my engine on while waiting for someone with the AC on full blast, and the engine itself won't run, but rather, the Hybrid battery keeps the AC and my infotainment system running.
@@robertnitschke89the engine is not running on my Prius if I park and only use AC. It uses the battery for it. The engine will eventually kick in though to produce energy for the AC when it gets empty.
For me, I'm not ready for an EV yet because I like to go on road trips, and finding a charger could be a hassle depending on where you are, so a hybrid is a good compromise for me because I don't have to worry about range anxiety. But if I was in the market for a hybrid, I would definitely look at a Toyota or Honda because of their reputation for strong reliability.
@@TomUlcakDid you miss the part where he mentioned road trips? I’ve driven from California to Texas & back numerous times (sometimes straight through without overnight stops), & filling up a hybrid (to 100%, not 80%) takes about 5 minutes. I rarely encounter a station that has no pumps available (a concern that several friends with Teslas have voiced), or get the nozzle stuck in the filler(another problem that a friend with a Lucid experienced). EV fanboys always seem to ignore the pitfalls while they’re bragging.
@@jimapplegate3523 uh, no, hybrids mostly use their gas engines. especially on road trips. you show your ignorance on this right off. you aren't going to drive pure electric from El Paso to LA. the range for a hybrid in EV mode is rarely 40 miles.
@@TomUlcak Speaking of ignorance, can you even READ??(you’re obviously lacking when it comes to capitalization & sentence structure). Where did I say ANYTHING about a hybrid running mostly in electric mode?! Let me dumb it down for you…my points were: 1. I have friends who have encountered EV “charging stations” where all the plugs were in use. 2. Another friend had the plug get stuck in the charging port of his Lucid, & when he phoned Customer Service, they couldn’t figure it out. He had to leave his car there until they could send someone out to fix it the next day. So…EVs aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. Welcome to 2023🙄🤓
I have a Toyota Camry 2022 LE Hybrid. At 30,000 miles after one year of ownership -- averaging 50 mpg at 80 mph on freeway and 60+ on local roads. I will make my $2000 price purchase difference between an ICE and hybrid very shortly. My first hybrid and love it.
Hybrid availability is extremely tough in Southern California. I wanted to trade my 2016 Camry XSE in for new Hybrid 2024 Camry XLE, but was told the waitlist was indefinite. I did get a Toyota LE AWD Hybrid though. The person who was trying to buy it credit fell trhough and no one would co-sign for him, so I really lucked out or I could've been waiting 6 months to a year to get a Hybrid Camry. Great car review as usual! BTW this Corolla LE AWD is far exceeding my expectations!
I own my second hybrid vehicle and have to say in the GTA where highway traffic is horrendous, a hybrid is the way to go. My first hybrid, I reached my record of 3.5 L/100km on my CT200h after bumbling along the QEW from Mississauga to Hamilton mostly on electric. But driving a hybrid also means a different way to drive. Lead foot driving won't get you anywhere close to suggest mileage.
UK 🇬🇧 I have just bought a hybrid Ford Puma . Drove it to Norfolk to visit my daughter it had 35 delivery miles on the clock . It’s a 400 mile round trip ,travel between 70- 80 mph Got 60 mpg . Fantastic .
I've spent $80 in a month on charging my Tesla. I used to spend $200 a month on gas + maintenance, oil/coolant/trans fluid/brake pads/etc... EVs are a no brainer. Why would you want the worst of both worlds? Gas and a small battery? With ALL the costs of an ICE vehicle? Hybrids are stupid.
How you use the air conditioner particularly when the vehicle is not moving is another consideration for hybrid vs 10:37 conventional gas vehicles. If you enjoy running the AC all the time, depending on how hot it is and if there’s a shade, the hybrid battery can sometimes provide up to 15 minutes of AC before needing to restart the gas engine, providing substantial gas saving.
15min of running my gas engine on idle to power the AC probably uses like 2 miles of range. Literal pennies; insignificant. Given that the long-standing price difference between gas and hybrid, most people will still never make their money back in gas savings. Most people simply don't drive enough for it to make sense.
My hybrid (2017 Prius V) gets 43 mpg actual miles (checked after countless fills) and costs very little to maintain. I bought it new for $25,000 including tax and license and it's worth $14,000 now. Oil change every 10k miles plus spark plugs at 100k. Total maintenance so far (110,000 miles) is about $500). The brakes have never been replaced (still at 75%). The best deal for a hybrid right now is the well-equipped Camry hybrid at $30,000 plus tax.
Don’t Fall for the lie of changing your oil every 10K miles. The dealership tells you that so your motor fails and you need another car Change your oil (synthetic ) every 6000 miles. Clean fluids mean your car will last longer 😉
@@GreyGhost-r4z I trust C.R.: Myth: You need to diligently change your engine oil every 3,000 miles. Reality: Although oil companies and quick-lube shops like to promote this idea, it's usually not necessary. Most vehicles driven under normal conditions can go 7,500 miles or more between oil changes. What you should do instead: Go by the recommended oil-change schedule in your owner's manual. "Nearly all new models have a monitoring system that alerts the driver when the oil needs changing," said Ibbotson. Depending on driving conditions, these can extend change intervals to 10,000 or 15,000 miles. Changing the oil more often is just pouring money down the drain.
I'd have laughed at any dealer quoting over MSRP for a new vehicle. Do what you want with used, but with new, adding markups is simply scalping. Pure dealer profit, and likely against mfg terms for the dealers contract
Owned 3 hybrids in the last 13 years and don't regret any of them. I average double the gas mileage of any gas vehicle. Zero maintenance issues as well so people should really consider a hybrid vs ice engine
@ryanlence124 never sold any because they were bad, reasons that are none of your business. My current Ford escape hybrid gets 50mpg, again zero regrets
@@ryanlence124 I like switching vehicles every 3 or 4 years. I like driving a new car, you only live once. Those purchasing my used car always get a great car as I take extra good care of them when I own them. My last 2 cars where hybrids and would never go back to ICE cars even though the 3 Honda Civics I had over a 15 year period with super high mileage never had any mechanical problems.
@@show-me-retro I was tracking with you until "reasons that are none of your business." Why post a public comment on utube then get triggered when someone asks you question? Chil dude, it's just a comment section.
I've owned 2 hybrids - Prius and now a RAV4. They have both been very reliable, have plenty of power, and low maintenance. Would buy another one, period....
@@FRESHALEX760 I've had my 2023 Hyundai Limited Sonata hybrid a month. I get 48 mpg. It's advertised to get about that. I also drive mostly highway. I like it so far. Sonata's are slightly bigger than Elantra with a slightly bigger engine.
I get 110 avg mgpe on my old 2017 Model S driving with Uber when supercharging off-peak, essentially debunking "nothing beats that gas savings". But then again, this is Hybrid vs Gas so I get the point.
I am driving my second hybrid. The first was a 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid. Never had a battery issue. In December 2019,I traded it in for a 2020 Ford Escape SE Sport Hybrid. Yes, Ford has had quality control issues recently, but I have had no major issues. I really like the car. It can operate in battery mode at speeds up to about 77 mph. My overall mpg is 41 mpg.
Thank you, helped decide between hybrid or all gas. If price differences only few thousand then definitely go hybrid. Dealer told me $7,000 difference. Assuming $7,000 is to large or difference to go hybrid. I do drive a lot on streets in Southern California
Full hybrids also don't have a gearbox in conventional sense, it's just a planetary energy distribution mechanism, which lasts longer and costs a fraction of a regular automatic transmission. Battery pack replacement is basically equivalent to an automatic transmission replacement/rebuild in a regular car. It comes in approximately the same time and and costs basically the same.
We have a 24 Prius Prime and its e-CVT is exceptionally smooth. Acceleration is delivered with out any sense of gear changes. It is far better than the belt driven CVT that our other two previous Prius cars used and, by all accounts, will last for half a million kilometers without service. As for the Traction Battery, to date, we have been getting far above the advertised range of 70.4Km (44 miles), on a charge. I can reach very close to 100Km (62.5 miles), in EV Mode with ease. And, that's not achieved by crawling below the speed limit either. My thought is that by the time the battery eventually degrades to the point where the hybrid system has to work more to propel the car and negates the EV range savings, battery technology will have advanced. And, advanced to a point where we'll be able to exceed our current EV range if we do a "swap". We won't know for another ten years, but, I'm hopeful.
In New Zealand gas is over $3 a litre. If you are in Auckland city, where stop start driving is the default setting, something like a Toyota Aqua would work well.
This is a popular misconception: 3:28 "Now hybrids have most of the same components that you would find on a conventional gas car ... [and] are technically more complicated than a conventional gas engine..." No, they remove many components, and are mechanically simper. While designs vary, to compare a conventional gas system (not just "engine") to a hybrid system: You should first take out the starter motor and the alternator. Replace them with one or two electric motor-generators. While these MGs are larger than what they replace, they are essentially the same device without the complicated, and potentially unreliable, equipment that is used to connect and disconnect them. These MGs are permanent parts of the drive train. This makes them much more reliable. Then, take out the drive belt and all of the pumps, compressors, and fans that are connected to it. And that cramp the engine compartment in order to be on that drive belt. Replace them with simpler, more reliable electric versions. Follow that by ripping out the clutch or torque converter. Hybrids don't start on electric power because that is more efficient (it actually isn't), it is because electric motors can do that while it major factor in wear to a conventional car. Finally, in many you can take out the transmission. Hyundais and Kias don't, but in Toyotas and Fords it is replaced with one (or two sometimes) planetary gearsets and a few connecting gears. In Hondas, it is replaced, literally, with a clutch and one gear. All do add in the inverters, but they are also reliable.
Excellent video May I whisper... that researching the environmental impact is perhaps greater than mentioned. 1) The mining of lithium often uses child labor 2) Disposal of a lithium battery is disposing a toxic waste. Hopefully we will have even better options to choose from in the not too distant future. With appreciation, Me 👍
It takes a special person to believe that any of this is about the environment. And even more special if they think the EV revolution will do anything positive for the environment.
Mining cobalt is bad, but not all batteries for evs use cobalt. Plus, we recycle batteries, right now. We do that because they are very valuable. And if you think mining is bad, guess what drilling for oil and natural gas does for the environment....
About 70% of the worlds cobalt comes from the DRC and about 20% from the unregulated small mines - about 15% of global supply. That may be a small percentage but adult workers conditions in the other mines isn’t up to western standards either. It is believed up to 40,000 children work in the unregulated sector. It is not just cobalt though, the DRC is important for copper, tin, gold and diamonds and the same issues apply to those commodities. In fact there are no cobalt mines in the DRC, it is a co-product of copper mining. Both are normally extracted together, though some mines are copper only. The DRC is the fourth largest copper producer at about 8% of global supply.
Great comparison review Shari! I just picked up a a '24 Lexus UX 250h F-Sport model here in Canada, and so far it's been amazing! I've been getting 4.7 L/100 km combined with light driving. Keep up the awesome reviews 😎
I've owned a Camry hybrid for ten years now, and don't regret my decision. My 2014 Camry got 42 when new, and now gets between 36 and 38 mpg, so the battery is starting to deteriorate. While the car was still young, I started out from upstate New York with a full tank of gas and drove the 1300 miles to Florida spending only $70 on gas. Now the Camry hybrid gets 52 MPG. That's even better. As far as Toyota hybrids are concerned, Toyota batteries are the best. If you do a lot of driving, Toyotas last between 250,000 and 300,000 miles. Hybrid battery replacement will be pricey. Somewhere between three and five thousand dollars. I hope that this post was helpful.
Excellent video. Wish you would have commented on what a rarity it is to change out the brakes on a hybrid. Transmission problems are also almost unheard-of.
@@carhelpcornermy apologies you are correct sir I re-watched your video moments ago and you did mention it quite clearly I must have missed it. 😊 I enjoy your efforts on your videos. You seem to draw proper conclusions more often than most people on TH-cam. Keep up the good work.
@@carhelpcorner We replaced the front pads and rotors on our 12+ year old Prius C and then traded it in for a 2024 Prius Prime. The C still had its original rear shoes and drums. Imagine, over 1.2 decades on one set of pads.
I purchased a 2024 Lexus NX350H for the SAME price as the non-hybrid (turbo) version…I’m getting 40MPG (using regular octane gas) and couldn’t be happier. The non-hybrid is a bit faster (.2 sec going from 0-60), and has a traditional transmission, but this was a no-brainer to get double the MPG with the same Lexus reliability/fit and finish. Thanks again for your content!!
Just bought the 2025 CRV touring hybrid here in Canada, and my wife and I are loving it! Really noticing the improved fuel efficiency (~6.3 L/100km averaged so far), electric torque feeling off the line, and quiet comfortable ride. Oh and the regen braking is cool too, hardly use the brakes around town
I have a 2021 Prius C and I just love it. I love the technology. It's not just gas savings, but also time savings by not having to go to the pump as often, and I feel better knowing my car is that much cleaner. It does great on the highway, too: less than 5 litres per 100 km. Usually 4.5 and even less.
I fully agree with the analysis of the author of this video. I happen to own a Camry Hybrid. It drives like a regular gas version, but for sure it saves a lot of gas. It is reliable and easy to maintain. It takes less than 4 years to pay off the extra cost at the time of purchase. For the remainder of the life of this Camry, a lot less pollution and savings will continue to pile up. I fully endorse the author's analysis. Thank you.
Did you account that using a 3rd party battery could (is likely to) potentially void your warranty on your electric car? If anything about current cars is anything to go off of.
I just recently purchased a new Rav4 Prime, plug in hybrid. The vehicle offers a variety of driving options. The EV option gives me 45 miles of non gas operation at 3.1 miles per kwh. So I can drive the car 45 miles for 1.20 in electricity. Where I live a kwh costs 8-9 cents, so it may vary where you live. The hybrid option gives me 39mpg. The car can operate in eco mode or sport mode. Eco is for good mpg. The sport mode gives me vehicle performance, ie 0-60mph in 5.5 sec. @302hp. I rarely use the sport mode, only freeway acceleration. When shopping for a vehicle I advise checking all dealers within 500 mile radius of your home. I drove 110 miles to a larger dealer and saved 1500 dollars, and bought the color I wanted. Dealers near me were asking for 1000. dollar non refundable deposits which will prevent you from being able to negotiate.
@@kittycato2023 Plug in hybrids are both EV and Hybrid separately. They have a larger battery so they can run without the gas engine and can drive 45 miles on the RAV4 plug in. The Plug In Hybrids were not covered in the video.
So long as the "mild hybrid" is well made and the battery/motor scheme is not expensive, it's an improved design. Gas engines are tuned to run at higher speeds, and the battery system can handle the starts.
We have learned a lot about the BMW 538 plug-in hybrid and BMWs the company. We have owned one or two BMW 5 series for decades. We usually owned two four-door sedans, a pick up, and a sports car. For the sedans, we never thought twice about buying anything but a BMW 5 series. We bought a 2019 BMW 530e PHEV. Four years and three months later, the car died. We had it trucked to the BMW dealer and paid $200 diagnostic fee to determine what was wrong. After consulting with BMW NA, the dealer informed us that we would have to pay to replace the two 12 V batteries for $1700. I argued that it was highly unlikely the two 12 V batteries would die at the same time. It was likely due to failure of the high voltage drive system which charges the 12v batteries. BMW said they would not a look at the HV system until 12 V batteries were replaced. The dealer said it is not uncommon for both 12 V batteries to fail in 4-5 years. Long story short, they replaced the 12 V batteries and then found that multiple components in the high-voltage system including high voltage battery cells failed. So the 12 V batteries died because they were not being charged by the HV system. when I requested BMW pay for the 12 V batteries since they were damaged by the faulty HV system, they refused. we loved the plug-in hybrid concept, but would never consider buying a BMW with batteries again. In fact, we won’t be buying a BMW ever again based on this poor customer service. Toyota hybrids are clearly in a class above BMW when it comes to battery technology. Today we have a BEV and two ICE vehicles.
That's funny! Do you have offroad on your highways?!? Your claim has no logic: you cannot drive 98% highway and about 1/3 to be offroad. Maybe your husband knows better 😎
Depends on what type of hybrid you buy, and the brand you choose. Not all hybrid systems are the same, some of them are convoluted and over complicated (you know which brands I’m talking about). PS I didn’t realize how many people were uninformed on their understanding of hybrid technology.
I was looking at a rav4 hybrid xse vs a Subaru outback between payments and insurance it was the cheaper option even though the rav4 got better mpg it was the monthly payments and insurance that took away any savings that the rav4 boasted it was about 1000$ a year difference.
I have a 2018 Toyota Camry Hybrid LE. It now has 60,000 miles on it and my lifetime to date miles per gallon are 52.1 MPG. I love this car, it has been trouble-free. I drive it a lot in town and my city is relatively flat so in warm weather it gets fabulous mileage around town. I took a 1,300 mile round trip from Olympia, WA to Great Falls, Montana in June, 2023 and averaged 54 MPG on that trip while driving mountainous terrain in both Idaho and Montana. Mileage averages at 45 MPG in winter and about 52 or 53 MPH in the summer.
Nice hob I was looking for this! 1 question remained tho, Is it still worth the price and extra mechanical complexity to go for a PHEV over a HEV if I hafta travel like 3 times a year?
Great piece Shari. I drove a Toyota RAV-4 Hybrid to 187,000 KM’s over four plus years and had zero issues. The brakes at the time of trading it in were still the original factory ones. On another note, what about a PHEV? Would that be a better option to bridge to a full EV? Can you do a commentary on that please?
Why are you Bragging about ~186K miles? ....Which is nothing... My 1990 Accord got 210K miles before I sold it and it was ~30 years old...and still running great... Hybrids should all be getting 500K to 1 million miles ...
My first was Honda Insight Hybrid great gas saving until I hit 120k then mileage started to decline, second/current Kia Niro LX at 76k. I love to drive and put miles on my car which in turn saves me $$$ in gas and gives me lots of mileage. I don’t like the EV model yet, warranty, battery pack cost, charging network/time spent. distance/range or the cost of EV. I love my first Kia Hybrid and the cost, I may buy another new one in the future. Wouldn’t mind having an EV for in town driving but I’m not looking to spend over $10k for a dependable used EV. Thanks for your video, found it informative.
Hi Shari, my own experience illustrates your points. I just received a gas engine RAV4 LE five days ago, and as you know it has a fuel consumption display. Toyota says that the RAV4 gets 8.7 L/100km in the city, so I was appalled when I saw numbers like 13 L/100km in urban use with really frequent stops, even when being soft on the pedal. However, in steady highway driving at about 85 km/h, I just got 5.5 L/100km, quite a bit better than Toyota's estimate of 6.9. I wanted to buy a hybrid (and regret not doing so), but when the dealer said the wait would be 1.5-2.5 years and so could result in my winding up with a vehicle from the 6th generation's first year with all the resulting potential for bugs/quality problems, I decided that the ICE engine version with a 3-6 month wait was the way to go.
The long waiting period is the only reason that hybrids don't make up the majority of sales now. Hopefully that changes, but still you made a great choice!
I still feel it is better to wait out like for 10 yrs the prices are going to go down for hybrids and will have lot more options. Our daily driver is a honda civic(90% highway driving) so not too much worried about gas mileage at this moment.
You didn't mention the high wearing of combustion engine in hybrid cars! They need more oil change and constant starting and shutting down off the ICE causes engine not to run on right temperature.
What I really like about my Toyota RAV4 hybrid is that there is no hunting for gears while accelerating onto the highway. The CVT gives instant response. I had a RAV4 non hybrid getting 25 mpg. My hybrid gets 39 mpg and is slightly bigger than the older model year. Not much fun to drive, but practical.
I love my 2020 RAV4 Hybrid. I was mostly thinking about fuel efficiency when I bough it. However better fuel efficiency means better range. So I can safely drive 350-400 miles before refueling. After 45,000 miles and three years of ownership, the cost of ownership is the same as a standard internal combustion engine.
Think again. You didn't change the brake pads/rotors, you had no issues with the starter/generator/belts etc. And this will keep on going. The TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) for hybrids is smaller than for the equivalent ICE car. My own experience is confirming such statistics. Enjoy your hybrid!
How about living in a cold climate state where it gets minus 0 for days? Will the battery last for 10 years easily? Also, for someone that likes to drive fast and needs good pick up when zig zagging on the road, does it make sense to get a hybrid?
I suppose that for any retiree who can charge his EV at home and doesn't actually travel anywhere with it, that's the ideal automotive transportation, as maintenance costs won't be a problem. EVs seem ideally suited for suburb/city living.
Ive bought a preowned 2016 prius echo last 2018 for 19grand. Toyota dealership wants to buy my car recently for 15g. Crazy how the depreciation was just 4k. My total gas expenses every 3 wks is $25 on average. During the 2020 lock down, I was able to get 1 full tank of gad for 2.5 months lol so yeah hybrid is always better
I think hybrid is the way to go, either Honda or Toyota, I purchased a HONDA ACCORD and I'm happy only because they gave me 4.9 percent interest rate vs Toyota at 6.25% I like both and both are in my opinion the best options!!!
I don't see how town driving can be cheaper in the long run as you need to do enough out of town driving to charge the battery! If you don't do enough long journeys to charge the battery you'll end up using the combustion engine around town. E,g, if you only ever do town driving the battery will run out before it ever gets charged enough. There must be a balance point (that would be really good to know) where the minimum amount of long journeys is calculated to not run out of battery around town. It would be great to know where the balance lies, i.e. 50/50 country/town or 60/40 or whatever it is. Could you maybe look into this please? MT.
Great content as always. Waited 5 months for my ICE 2023 Rav4 coming in this week. Would’ve taken an hybrid but I got scared of the rusting cable gate and Toyota not willing to include 2023 in expanded warranty. Will see in 10 yrs where the market standands!
Great video. Other things to consider when buying a hybrid is that if you don't drive much (less than 8000 miles a year), it may take 10 to 12 years (with the current gas prices) to make up for the difference in price. Plus dealerships give you a higher interest rate when financing if you go for the hybrid option of the car. I bought a Toyota Corolla Cross hybrid because it's more fuel efficient in the city, has more power, and it has better resale value than its gasoline counterpart, even if it will take me a lot of years to recuperate the price difference, I'm fine with it because they're more eco-friendly than even some EV vehicles that use cobalt mining for their batteries.
@@MagicNash89 Yes, all lithium-ion batteries use cobalt, though the hybrid batteries in less amount. Of course, in the long run, the EV will have less carbon footprint. I'm just saying that in my case the hybrid made sense, even with less driving than average.
@@robertabgeginski8399 Nothing, I called the dealership in advance, they said they were going to receive a Cross Hybrid S in a few days and it was the color I wanted. Thanks to Shari's and other youtubers' advice I only paid MSRP plus taxes and mandated fees.The only thing is that the APR is higher for hybrids, but I plan to pay for the car in 2 years to avoid a lot of interest.
Thanks for some great info and advice. Second video I’ve seen from you and appreciate your format and presentation. Thanks for sharing. And I’ve subbed to your channel.
Hi Shari. I just watched this video for the first time. I like your channel and your advice. However, I think your suggestion to consider a third party replacement Li-ion battery is a dangerous one. I can send you some fire safety videos that cite cheap, third party Li-ion batteries as a significant source of fires. You may have intended the use of reputable batteries but you can't control "how low can they go?" in some viewer's purchase decisions. You may have even exposed yourself to unintended liability by making such a recommendation..
My 2002 Prius was awesome. However, eventually the battery died over 200 K. Than I bought my parents 2006 Prius when it already had 190 k miles. We had to get a refurbished battery for about 1500 dollars at 200 K that only last for about 20 k miles. I will say that besides burning oil and having to change battery, they never broke down.
This cost analysis overlooks a few things. In my Mammoth condo, electricity is 40c/kWh, so the fuel cost of a Model Y Tesla in the snow for 6 months is higher than a RAV4 hybrid. To install a 240V 40A line is $2,000 and I need home owners insurance with $1,000,000 coverage, $900/year, so over 8 years that's $9,200. At the end of 8 years, the MY drive train warranty expires so it becomes worthless, so you have $50,000+ depreciation. If you use Superchargers most of the time, you can expect a $20,000 bill for a new battery. The RAV4 will go on running for many years.
Unfortunately most hybrids are available only in the highest trims and dealers have high markups, so after a plug in hybrid, for the next car I went regular gas, as the price difference to a hybrid didn't make economical sense anymore
I bought 22 prius in December last year and it’s the best car I have ever owned. My top two favorite reasons I like it. Constantly get over 60mpg from my car. My best full tank of gas I got 66.3 mpg. Keep in mind you have to drive it specifically to get this high mileage. Additionally, the a/c compressor is electric and powered by the hybrid battery. It very rapidly gets cold and stays cold even at a stop because the a/c compressor can run at the best rpm regardless of the speed of car or engine. Buy a Toyota hybrid!
I got a 2023 Corolla Hybrid SE AWD over a year ago now. I love it, great on gas especially in the city, and the AWD is good for winter driving (I live in northern Canada). I thought the price increase for the Hybrid+AWD of just under $2k cad was well worth it. And to be honest the ICE Corrola wasn't even my alternative, the Subaru Impreza was (AWD was a high priority for me). I can't recommend this car enough, it's got all the modern basic tech wants, it is very economical, and reliable as expected (so far), I love it! As the Hybrid AWD just came out in 2023 I was one of the first to receive mine, but this was due to placing my order nearly 10 months prior when I learned of the new AWD model coming out. I only paid MSRP, nothing above but that's as good as it gets these days with Toyotas low inventory. My Toyota dealer still has almost no cars on their lot, and hybrid models are almost all pre-sold. I'm completely sold on hybrid now. The next vehicle I would purchase would be a PHEV, I'd definitely consider something like the RAV4 Prime. Unless battery tech gets much better then maybe a BEV.
Not all people buy 50k with cash. The price diff with interest included will make it impossible to break even and I used to change new car within 5 years. It never will recover.
Well thought out and good presentation. Thank you, I enjoy your reviews. You covered the major points most consider and a couple more many forget about. The financial out put is more significant when the PHEV option is factored in due to the charging station associated costs which in many instances requires major upgrade to electrical panels. As it is with most vehicles fuel consumption claims are often well off from reality, one should expect such fuel consumption claims for hybrid and distance / range claims for EV will also be exaggerated. Consequently impacting the break even or savings time frame. No one should ever trust any car dealership to be truthful and transparent. As long as car manufactures can sell record numbers of vehicles and make record profits by inflating prices, creating the high demand by controlling the low supply, with bogus claims of raw material shortage prices will not come down and the same can be said about interest rates. This said my next vehicle will be a hybrid. Cheers.
Um, no, a phev has such a tiny battery that no one would ever need to upgrade their panel. You could charge with 120v 95% of the time every day and fill up 100%. And unlike Tesla, everyone else doesn't exaggerate their ev range.
@@sprockkets If you are talking about cars you are circa 1990. People want trucks, mini trucks, that is today. All ages want a truck with 4 doors. This needs to be a plugin Hybrid with Toyota manufactures already. That's a fact. Your hydrogen comment is not a part of this thread.
@@ericwilliams626 No, you seem to be not understanding. First off, Toyota only made the Prius because California threatened to force EVs on ppl way, way back in the mid 90s. Second, their prime models are their only plug in hybrid, on the Prius and RAV4 which are like, came out 5 years ago for the Prius and was basically worthless. Third, no, Toyota doesn't want to go EV - they want to go hydrogen. But since everyone already knew that was stupid, they finally, half-heartedly, made an EV, one that sucks of course which is hilarious for a company making hybrids for over 25 years.
Hybrid batteries often have very long warranties. The gas engine works less with Hybrid assistance. I've bought Hybrids since 2008 and my family bought the first Prius in our area in 2001. Yet I'm looking forward to hydrogen powered vehicles and appropriate charging facilities.
This is true of any battery in a BEV or HEV. Batteries have long lives and will outlast the actual vehicle. They are also the most reliable part of the vehicle. This myth of batteries dying after a time in in BEVs or HEVs is total crap.
@@toddsmith1617 Tesla car batteries are built to last between 300,000 to 500,000 miles before needing a replacement. This estimate is based on the battery's ability to withstand a significant number of charge cycles, approximately 1,500 times of charging and discharging. Warranty: 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with a minimum 70% retention of battery capacity. They are discovering that batteries are lasting significantly longer than they originally estimated. There are a lot of really ignorant comments here. Full of complete myths, untruths, propaganda and ideology. The source is hate, denial and fear.
You also need to account for insurance. The 2025 Camry is $44 pm more than a 2021 Ford Escape Hybrid, and the Escape was more expensive than a Honda CRV ICE vehicle.
You pay more for registration, insurance and monthly payment with a hybrid. When factored into the other costs you aren’t ending up ahead of a gas car financially. Gas you pay $100/mo more in fuel but save about $100/mo from the above costs. My conclusion was that its not a meaningful number either way. Just preference.
I can save $1200 a year with an ev, even though gas here is cheaper than most of the nation. But it's not just about that, cause an ev is just so much more relaxing to drive. And they can heat instantly too in winter. I would though pay 100 , more a year for registration. Don't buy a Tesla and insurance is fine.
Great video. Thanks. Is the used hybrid vehicle market also strong? If the hybrid car is a couple of years old, I would guess the original battery could be a deal breaker? You did mention that 3rd party hybrid batteries are coming down and more readily available. Could this make buying a used hybrid a serious consideration? Can you suggest how old a hybrid might be to make it a good alternative to a pure ICE vehicle?(in general)
I'm in Toronto Ontario, decided to buy my first ever car so I put an order on 2022 Hyundai Elantra hybrid, thinking it will be less in demand than the Corolla hybrid counter part, it has been 1.5 years and still I didn't received it. I now put deposit on 2024 VW Jetta, hopefully it will come in a month. I don't drive that much. Toyota has bigger supply issue here in Canada
What about my mechanic who doesn't keep up with hybrid vehicles? Should I switch to a new mechanic just because he doesn't want to get with the times and I end up paying more because the new mechanic knows the new technology? I have a '99 Camry that is still my daily driver.
Any regrets or issues with hybrids and the well known thefts of catalytic converters? Or perhaps, just install anti-theft devices depending on your area?
In 2006 I chose a Scion XB over a Toyota Prius solely because it was $10,000 more. Even though the Prius got better gas milage 18 years later and I haven't spent that extra $10,000 in gas yet. You have to calculate more than just MPG when buying a vehicle.
We have a hybrid and 6 times driving 15 miles from work to home got 90mpg. It averages 70mpg commuting to work. At 3.25/gal works out to about $500/yr.
Hybrid, my 2020 crv hybrid averages 38 mpg and it only cost about 3k more than the gasoline plus its very quiet at low speeds because of the hybrid power and perfect for town drives
Two other considerations...insurance for hybrid vehicles is usually higher than gas. There are fewer independent mechanics that can work on a hybrid. You may need dealership maintenance after the warranty expires, and that can be expensive.
I never thought at the beginning of 2022 I would consider an absolute bargain being MSRP and no dealer fees added for a 2022 hybrid Rav 4. Also thankful it was the last month rates were 3%. Sucks to see dealers driving the price so high these days.
After years of evaluation, I go with Hybrid. Hybrid turned out to be long lasting vehicles compared to gas only vehicles.
My First Generation 2002 Prius sedan lasted forever without any major repairs. Main battery was still in perfect shape at 260K miles when it was totaled during a winter storm flooding.
Using the Prius as the example doesn’t say much. There are gas corollas and Camrys running for decades as well
Evaluation of what exactly? You bought a reliable vehicle. The hybrid Camry isn't more reliable than the Camry.
@@NotShowingOff True but the gas savings at 250k miles is awesome
@@grahamfloyd3451 Pretty sure this is about the gas savings between the hybrid and ICE.. A lot of people are scared of hybrids because they hear bad stories. The fact is those bad stories are mostly from crappy car companies like Ford and GM
UPDATE: I’ve bought the Fourth Generation Toyota Sienna Hybrid to replace my 2005 Toyota Sienna still runs great at 325K miles, just wanted a newer Sienna for the family. I love the 600 miles range on single tank of regular gas and the 5 minutes fill up at gas station convenient stores with refreshments and restrooms 😁there are so many technology features, very impressive. I especially like the good visibility LED headlights, radar cruise control, Apple play screen.I wished Toyota had offered the seats cup holders just like like my 2005 Sienna.
Another thing is that idle time with hybrids is significantly shorter than a regular gas engine. On my CR-V, I could keep my engine on while waiting for someone with the AC on full blast, and the engine itself won't run, but rather, the Hybrid battery keeps the AC and my infotainment system running.
Very very correct, extraordinary benefit particularly, at least in hot climate!
@@thejudge8892 could you elaborate more on this experience? I did not completely understand what you were explaning, thanks
The AC will not work without the engine running. It requires a mechanical compressor. Do some homework before you make an incorrect statement.
@@robertnitschke89the engine is not running on my Prius if I park and only use AC. It uses the battery for it. The engine will eventually kick in though to produce energy for the AC when it gets empty.
Am planning on buying a pre-owned 2019 honda hybrid crv any tips
For me, I'm not ready for an EV yet because I like to go on road trips, and finding a charger could be a hassle depending on where you are, so a hybrid is a good compromise for me because I don't have to worry about range anxiety. But if I was in the market for a hybrid, I would definitely look at a Toyota or Honda because of their reputation for strong reliability.
@@johndonaldson5126 it's just an ICE vehicle with a small battery. It has all the problems as an ICE vehicle.
@@TomUlcakDid you miss the part where he mentioned road trips? I’ve driven from California to Texas & back numerous times (sometimes straight through without overnight stops), & filling up a hybrid (to 100%, not 80%) takes about 5 minutes. I rarely encounter a station that has no pumps available (a concern that several friends with Teslas have voiced), or get the nozzle stuck in the filler(another problem that a friend with a Lucid experienced). EV fanboys always seem to ignore the pitfalls while they’re bragging.
@@jimapplegate3523 uh, no, hybrids mostly use their gas engines. especially on road trips. you show your ignorance on this right off. you aren't going to drive pure electric from El Paso to LA. the range for a hybrid in EV mode is rarely 40 miles.
@@TomUlcak Speaking of ignorance, can you even READ??(you’re obviously lacking when it comes to capitalization & sentence structure). Where did I say ANYTHING about a hybrid running mostly in electric mode?! Let me dumb it down for you…my points were:
1. I have friends who have encountered EV “charging stations” where all the plugs were in use.
2. Another friend had the plug get stuck in the charging port of his Lucid, & when he phoned Customer Service, they couldn’t figure it out. He had to leave his car there until they could send someone out to fix it the next day. So…EVs aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. Welcome to 2023🙄🤓
@@jimapplegate3523 re-read your replies. you can't really be this stupid...
I have a Toyota Camry 2022 LE Hybrid. At 30,000 miles after one year of ownership -- averaging 50 mpg at 80 mph on freeway and 60+ on local roads. I will make my $2000 price purchase difference between an ICE and hybrid very shortly. My first hybrid and love it.
I have the same one in white exterior black interior. The MPG is fantastic!
2k difference?! On what planet? The difference is much bigger
How much did it cost if I may ask?
I’m looking to get the same thing except a Corolla
Hybrid availability is extremely tough in Southern California. I wanted to trade my 2016 Camry XSE in for new Hybrid 2024 Camry XLE, but was told the waitlist was indefinite. I did get a Toyota LE AWD Hybrid though. The person who was trying to buy it credit fell trhough and no one would co-sign for him, so I really lucked out or I could've been waiting 6 months to a year to get a Hybrid Camry. Great car review as usual! BTW this Corolla LE AWD is far exceeding my expectations!
I own my second hybrid vehicle and have to say in the GTA where highway traffic is horrendous, a hybrid is the way to go. My first hybrid, I reached my record of 3.5 L/100km on my CT200h after bumbling along the QEW from Mississauga to Hamilton mostly on electric. But driving a hybrid also means a different way to drive. Lead foot driving won't get you anywhere close to suggest mileage.
only make sense if there is no dealer’s markup and no shortage of inventory.
UK 🇬🇧 I have just bought a hybrid Ford Puma . Drove it to Norfolk to visit my daughter it had 35 delivery miles on the clock . It’s a 400 mile round trip ,travel between 70- 80 mph Got 60 mpg . Fantastic .
@LivingInAnInverseReality uk mpg is large its called imperial mpg
I've spent $80 in a month on charging my Tesla. I used to spend $200 a month on gas + maintenance, oil/coolant/trans fluid/brake pads/etc... EVs are a no brainer. Why would you want the worst of both worlds? Gas and a small battery? With ALL the costs of an ICE vehicle? Hybrids are stupid.
How you use the air conditioner particularly when the vehicle is not moving is another consideration for hybrid vs 10:37 conventional gas vehicles. If you enjoy running the AC all the time, depending on how hot it is and if there’s a shade, the hybrid battery can sometimes provide up to 15 minutes of AC before needing to restart the gas engine, providing substantial gas saving.
15min of running my gas engine on idle to power the AC probably uses like 2 miles of range. Literal pennies; insignificant. Given that the long-standing price difference between gas and hybrid, most people will still never make their money back in gas savings. Most people simply don't drive enough for it to make sense.
This @@addanametocontinue
My hybrid (2017 Prius V) gets 43 mpg actual miles (checked after countless fills) and costs very little to maintain. I bought it new for $25,000 including tax and license and it's worth $14,000 now. Oil change every 10k miles plus spark plugs at 100k. Total maintenance so far (110,000 miles) is about $500). The brakes have never been replaced (still at 75%). The best deal for a hybrid right now is the well-equipped Camry hybrid at $30,000 plus tax.
My 2010 Toyota Auris 1.6L gets 5.2l per 100km (42 mpg) 🤣
@@ShutterKnack Its nice to hear the truth. Most people claim 60 mpg.
Don’t Fall for the lie of changing your oil every 10K miles. The dealership tells you that so your motor fails and you need another car Change your oil (synthetic ) every 6000 miles. Clean fluids mean your car will last longer 😉
@@GreyGhost-r4z I trust C.R.: Myth: You need to diligently change your engine oil every 3,000 miles.
Reality: Although oil companies and quick-lube shops like to promote this idea, it's usually not necessary. Most vehicles driven under normal conditions can go 7,500 miles or more between oil changes.
What you should do instead: Go by the recommended oil-change schedule in your owner's manual. "Nearly all new models have a monitoring system that alerts the driver when the oil needs changing," said Ibbotson. Depending on driving conditions, these can extend change intervals to 10,000 or 15,000 miles. Changing the oil more often is just pouring money down the drain.
I got a Prius eco. Toyota recommends oil change every 5k miles with fully syntactic oil. My car can drive up to 55mpg with 87 gasoline
I wanted to buy the hybrid RAV4 or CRV but the high dealer markup and interest rates were crazy, I'll wait.
It was cheaper for me to buy a Model Y than a RAV4 hybrid XLE or CRV hybrid touring.
@@bn9161 RAV4 and CRV has ridiculously high resale value.
10 yr tesla worth Nothing.
avoid KIA hyundai hybrid they are absolutely JUNK
Shop around. Had to drive 60 miles to a dealer who doesn't do markups. New hybrid in a few weeks
@@dwadd7528 Meh just wait until the government bans gas powered vehicles. I'm well diversified with by 4Runner and Model Y.
I'd have laughed at any dealer quoting over MSRP for a new vehicle. Do what you want with used, but with new, adding markups is simply scalping. Pure dealer profit, and likely against mfg terms for the dealers contract
Owned 3 hybrids in the last 13 years and don't regret any of them. I average double the gas mileage of any gas vehicle. Zero maintenance issues as well so people should really consider a hybrid vs ice engine
If they were so good, why did you need three. I good gas car should last 15 to 20 years
@ryanlence124 never sold any because they were bad, reasons that are none of your business. My current Ford escape hybrid gets 50mpg, again zero regrets
@@ryanlence124 I like switching vehicles every 3 or 4 years. I like driving a new car, you only live once. Those purchasing my used car always get a great car as I take extra good care of them when I own them. My last 2 cars where hybrids and would never go back to ICE cars even though the 3 Honda Civics I had over a 15 year period with super high mileage never had any mechanical problems.
@@show-me-retro I was tracking with you until "reasons that are none of your business." Why post a public comment on utube then get triggered when someone asks you question? Chil dude, it's just a comment section.
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I've owned 2 hybrids - Prius and now a RAV4. They have both been very reliable, have plenty of power, and low maintenance. Would buy another one, period....
Would the insurance and property tax costs be the same for a hybrid vs gas, for a given model of car?
I had insurance quotes for Rav 4 gas and hybrid and they were the same, but I guess it depends on the insurance company.
It's highly dependent on the local laws you live in. Some places charge extra fees for owning electrified vehicles, while others don't.
I drive 2023 Hyundai ELANTRA hybrid and I get 59 mpg on average, and since I drive for Uber and Lyft, nothing beats that gas saving
Any issues ?
@@FRESHALEX760 so far so good
@@FRESHALEX760 I've had my 2023 Hyundai Limited Sonata hybrid a month. I get 48 mpg. It's advertised to get about that. I also drive mostly highway. I like it so far. Sonata's are slightly bigger than Elantra with a slightly bigger engine.
I get 110 avg mgpe on my old 2017 Model S driving with Uber when supercharging off-peak, essentially debunking "nothing beats that gas savings". But then again, this is Hybrid vs Gas so I get the point.
I am driving my second hybrid. The first was a 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid. Never had a battery issue. In December 2019,I traded it in for a 2020 Ford Escape SE Sport Hybrid.
Yes, Ford has had quality control issues recently, but I have had no major issues. I really like the car. It can operate in battery mode at speeds up to about 77 mph. My overall mpg is 41 mpg.
I'm a fan of the Escape Hybrid. One of the best cars that Ford makes.
Thanks!
Thank you, helped decide between hybrid or all gas. If price differences only few thousand then definitely go hybrid. Dealer told me $7,000 difference. Assuming $7,000 is to large or difference to go hybrid. I do drive a lot on streets in Southern California
Full hybrids also don't have a gearbox in conventional sense, it's just a planetary energy distribution mechanism, which lasts longer and costs a fraction of a regular automatic transmission. Battery pack replacement is basically equivalent to an automatic transmission replacement/rebuild in a regular car. It comes in approximately the same time and and costs basically the same.
We have a 24 Prius Prime and its e-CVT is exceptionally smooth. Acceleration is delivered with out any sense of gear changes. It is far better than the belt driven CVT that our other two previous Prius cars used and, by all accounts, will last for half a million kilometers without service. As for the Traction Battery, to date, we have been getting far above the advertised range of 70.4Km (44 miles), on a charge. I can reach very close to 100Km (62.5 miles), in EV Mode with ease. And, that's not achieved by crawling below the speed limit either. My thought is that by the time the battery eventually degrades to the point where the hybrid system has to work more to propel the car and negates the EV range savings, battery technology will have advanced. And, advanced to a point where we'll be able to exceed our current EV range if we do a "swap". We won't know for another ten years, but, I'm hopeful.
In New Zealand gas is over $3 a litre. If you are in Auckland city, where stop start driving is the default setting, something like a Toyota Aqua would work well.
This is a popular misconception:
3:28 "Now hybrids have most of the same components that you would find on a conventional gas car ... [and] are technically more complicated than a conventional gas engine..."
No, they remove many components, and are mechanically simper. While designs vary, to compare a conventional gas system (not just "engine") to a hybrid system:
You should first take out the starter motor and the alternator. Replace them with one or two electric motor-generators. While these MGs are larger than what they replace, they are essentially the same device without the complicated, and potentially unreliable, equipment that is used to connect and disconnect them. These MGs are permanent parts of the drive train. This makes them much more reliable.
Then, take out the drive belt and all of the pumps, compressors, and fans that are connected to it. And that cramp the engine compartment in order to be on that drive belt. Replace them with simpler, more reliable electric versions.
Follow that by ripping out the clutch or torque converter. Hybrids don't start on electric power because that is more efficient (it actually isn't), it is because electric motors can do that while it major factor in wear to a conventional car.
Finally, in many you can take out the transmission. Hyundais and Kias don't, but in Toyotas and Fords it is replaced with one (or two sometimes) planetary gearsets and a few connecting gears. In Hondas, it is replaced, literally, with a clutch and one gear. All do add in the inverters, but they are also reliable.
Excellent video
May I whisper... that researching the environmental impact is perhaps greater than mentioned.
1) The mining of lithium often uses child labor
2) Disposal of a lithium battery is disposing a toxic waste.
Hopefully we will have even better options to choose from in the not too distant future.
With appreciation, Me 👍
It takes a special person to believe that any of this is about the environment. And even more special if they think the EV revolution will do anything positive for the environment.
@@Ricky-mo6mv I strongly believe he/she is so special that he/she even writes and clicks the keyboard with left hand.
Mining cobalt is bad, but not all batteries for evs use cobalt. Plus, we recycle batteries, right now. We do that because they are very valuable.
And if you think mining is bad, guess what drilling for oil and natural gas does for the environment....
@@Ricky-mo6mvadvocate for getting rid of car dependency, watch strong towns or not just bikes channel. Until then unfortunately, I'm going cheap ev.
About 70% of the worlds cobalt comes from the DRC and about 20% from the unregulated small mines - about 15% of global supply. That may be a small percentage but adult workers conditions in the other mines isn’t up to western standards either. It is believed up to 40,000 children work in the unregulated sector. It is not just cobalt though, the DRC is important for copper, tin, gold and diamonds and the same issues apply to those commodities. In fact there are no cobalt mines in the DRC, it is a co-product of copper mining. Both are normally extracted together, though some mines are copper only. The DRC is the fourth largest copper producer at about 8% of global supply.
Great comparison review Shari! I just picked up a a '24 Lexus UX 250h F-Sport model here in Canada, and so far it's been amazing! I've been getting 4.7 L/100 km combined with light driving. Keep up the awesome reviews 😎
Thank you! Enjoy your new ride! 😄
I've owned a Camry hybrid for ten years now, and don't regret my decision. My 2014 Camry got 42 when new, and now gets between 36 and 38 mpg, so the battery is starting to deteriorate. While the car was still young, I started out from upstate New York with a full tank of gas and drove the 1300 miles to Florida spending only $70 on gas.
Now the Camry hybrid gets 52 MPG. That's even better. As far as Toyota hybrids are concerned, Toyota batteries are the best. If you do a lot of driving, Toyotas last between 250,000 and 300,000 miles. Hybrid battery replacement will be pricey. Somewhere between three and five thousand dollars.
I hope that this post was helpful.
Gonna check your channel for a list of smaller hybrid comparisons. XD Good informational video, thank you
Thanks for the video! I’m planning on buying a hybrid for our next car
Excellent video. Wish you would have commented on what a rarity it is to change out the brakes on a hybrid.
Transmission problems are also almost unheard-of.
I did mention that the brakes last 2-3 times longer. I've actually seen many old hybrids with original brakes. Pretty amazing.
@@carhelpcornermy apologies you are correct sir I re-watched your video moments ago and you did mention it quite clearly I must have missed it. 😊
I enjoy your efforts on your videos. You seem to draw proper conclusions more often than most people on TH-cam. Keep up the good work.
@@carhelpcorner We replaced the front pads and rotors on our 12+ year old Prius C and then traded it in for a 2024 Prius Prime. The C still had its original rear shoes and drums. Imagine, over 1.2 decades on one set of pads.
I purchased a 2024 Lexus NX350H for the SAME price as the non-hybrid (turbo) version…I’m getting 40MPG (using regular octane gas) and couldn’t be happier. The non-hybrid is a bit faster (.2 sec going from 0-60), and has a traditional transmission, but this was a no-brainer to get double the MPG with the same Lexus reliability/fit and finish. Thanks again for your content!!
Just bought the 2025 CRV touring hybrid here in Canada, and my wife and I are loving it! Really noticing the improved fuel efficiency (~6.3 L/100km averaged so far), electric torque feeling off the line, and quiet comfortable ride. Oh and the regen braking is cool too, hardly use the brakes around town
I have a 2021 Prius C and I just love it. I love the technology. It's not just gas savings, but also time savings by not having to go to the pump as often, and I feel better knowing my car is that much cleaner. It does great on the highway, too: less than 5 litres per 100 km. Usually 4.5 and even less.
I fully agree with the analysis of the author of this video. I happen to own a Camry Hybrid. It drives like a regular gas version, but for sure it saves a lot of gas. It is reliable and easy to maintain. It takes less than 4 years to pay off the extra cost at the time of purchase. For the remainder of the life of this Camry, a lot less pollution and savings will continue to pile up.
I fully endorse the author's analysis. Thank you.
Did you account that using a 3rd party battery could (is likely to) potentially void your warranty on your electric car? If anything about current cars is anything to go off of.
Love the show.
My Toyota Vitz gives a constant 60% running on battery. Love it.🖖
I've owned two Priuses. Love them. Great gas mileage; low repair costs. They are simple plain cars that get you reliably from point A to point B.
I just recently purchased a new Rav4 Prime, plug in hybrid. The vehicle offers a variety of driving options. The EV option gives me 45 miles of non gas operation at 3.1 miles per kwh. So I can drive the car 45 miles for 1.20 in electricity. Where I live a kwh costs 8-9 cents, so it may vary where you live. The hybrid option gives me 39mpg. The car can operate in eco mode or sport mode. Eco is for good mpg. The sport mode gives me vehicle performance, ie 0-60mph in 5.5 sec. @302hp. I rarely use the sport mode, only freeway acceleration. When shopping for a vehicle I advise checking all dealers within 500 mile radius of your home. I drove 110 miles to a larger dealer and saved 1500 dollars, and bought the color I wanted. Dealers near me were asking for 1000. dollar non refundable deposits which will prevent you from being able to negotiate.
I thought hybrids you don't need to plug in. He even saud that here too. Ekectric yes but hybrids recharge themselves. No??
@@kittycato2023 Plug in hybrids are both EV and Hybrid separately. They have a larger battery so they can run without the gas engine and can drive 45 miles on the RAV4 plug in. The Plug In Hybrids were not covered in the video.
This video answers a lot of questions I had. Thanks very much.
I’m going for Honda CR-V Hybrid AWD Sport L 2024! Very spacious and it very practical plus it run very smoothly.
So long as the "mild hybrid" is well made and the battery/motor scheme is not expensive, it's an improved design. Gas engines are tuned to run at higher speeds, and the battery system can handle the starts.
We have learned a lot about the BMW 538 plug-in hybrid and BMWs the company. We have owned one or two BMW 5 series for decades. We usually owned two four-door sedans, a pick up, and a sports car. For the sedans, we never thought twice about buying anything but a BMW 5 series.
We bought a 2019 BMW 530e PHEV. Four years and three months later, the car died. We had it trucked to the BMW dealer and paid $200 diagnostic fee to determine what was wrong. After consulting with BMW NA, the dealer informed us that we would have to pay to replace the two 12 V batteries for $1700. I argued that it was highly unlikely the two 12 V batteries would die at the same time. It was likely due to failure of the high voltage drive system which charges the 12v batteries. BMW said they would not a look at the HV system until 12 V batteries were replaced. The dealer said it is not uncommon for both 12 V batteries to fail in 4-5 years.
Long story short, they replaced the 12 V batteries and then found that multiple components in the high-voltage system including high voltage battery cells failed. So the 12 V batteries died because they were not being charged by the HV system.
when I requested BMW pay for the 12 V batteries since they were damaged by the faulty HV system, they refused.
we loved the plug-in hybrid concept, but would never consider buying a BMW with batteries again. In fact, we won’t be buying a BMW ever again based on this poor customer service. Toyota hybrids are clearly in a class above BMW when it comes to battery technology. Today we have a BEV and two ICE vehicles.
Well you answered my question at 2:27. I drive 98% hwy and about a third of that is off road. Same with my husband.
That's funny! Do you have offroad on your highways?!? Your claim has no logic: you cannot drive 98% highway and about 1/3 to be offroad. Maybe your husband knows better 😎
Depends on what type of hybrid you buy, and the brand you choose. Not all hybrid systems are the same, some of them are convoluted and over complicated (you know which brands I’m talking about).
PS I didn’t realize how many people were uninformed on their understanding of hybrid technology.
Had to ask. What brands are you talking about?
I was looking at a rav4 hybrid xse vs a Subaru outback between payments and insurance it was the cheaper option even though the rav4 got better mpg it was the monthly payments and insurance that took away any savings that the rav4 boasted it was about 1000$ a year difference.
The best hybrids are tòyota
Honda because they don't have a CVT gearbox.
@@gazlondonboy2185?!
Kia Niro would beg to differ... and it's a dual clutch so no cvt 😉
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In the Honda Hybrid system, the electric motors serve the function of the transmission. So they have no transmission. Although they call it CVTe.
I have a 2018 Toyota Camry Hybrid LE. It now has 60,000 miles on it and my lifetime to date miles per gallon are 52.1 MPG. I love this car, it has been trouble-free. I drive it a lot in town and my city is relatively flat so in warm weather it gets fabulous mileage around town. I took a 1,300 mile round trip from Olympia, WA to Great Falls, Montana in June, 2023 and averaged 54 MPG on that trip while driving mountainous terrain in both Idaho and Montana. Mileage averages at 45 MPG in winter and about 52 or 53 MPH in the summer.
Good video I wish you would have talked about using CVT trans
Nice hob I was looking for this!
1 question remained tho, Is it still worth the price and extra mechanical complexity to go for a PHEV over a HEV if I hafta travel like 3 times a year?
Great piece Shari. I drove a Toyota RAV-4 Hybrid to 187,000 KM’s over four plus years and had zero issues. The brakes at the time of trading it in were still the original factory ones. On another note, what about a PHEV? Would that be a better option to bridge to a full EV? Can you do a commentary on that please?
I have a video on this coming! 👍
@@carhelpcornerThank you!
Why are you Bragging about ~186K miles? ....Which is nothing...
My 1990 Accord got 210K miles before I sold it and it was ~30 years old...and still running great...
Hybrids should all be getting 500K to 1 million miles ...
A hybrid has a gas cap, a BEV has a charge port. A PHEV has both...
...two different fueling ports means double the effort.
My first was Honda Insight Hybrid great gas saving until I hit 120k then mileage started to decline, second/current Kia Niro LX at 76k. I love to drive and put miles on my car which in turn saves me $$$ in gas and gives me lots of mileage. I don’t like the EV model yet, warranty, battery pack cost, charging network/time spent. distance/range or the cost of EV. I love my first Kia Hybrid and the cost, I may buy another new one in the future. Wouldn’t mind having an EV for in town driving but I’m not looking to spend over $10k for a dependable used EV. Thanks for your video, found it informative.
Hi Shari, my own experience illustrates your points. I just received a gas engine RAV4 LE five days ago, and as you know it has a fuel consumption display. Toyota says that the RAV4 gets 8.7 L/100km in the city, so I was appalled when I saw numbers like 13 L/100km in urban use with really frequent stops, even when being soft on the pedal. However, in steady highway driving at about 85 km/h, I just got 5.5 L/100km, quite a bit better than Toyota's estimate of 6.9. I wanted to buy a hybrid (and regret not doing so), but when the dealer said the wait would be 1.5-2.5 years and so could result in my winding up with a vehicle from the 6th generation's first year with all the resulting potential for bugs/quality problems, I decided that the ICE engine version with a 3-6 month wait was the way to go.
The long waiting period is the only reason that hybrids don't make up the majority of sales now. Hopefully that changes, but still you made a great choice!
@@henryhonda8408 I was extremely picky and it took 6 months.
Sorry but 1.5 to 2.5 year wait is unacceptable. Move on to another vehicle.
Outlander PHEV perhaps?@@francesdinicola6669
im doing research if its worth going thur all that hassale to buy a hybird basically same fuel ecomny @@francesdinicola6669
I still feel it is better to wait out like for 10 yrs the prices are going to go down for hybrids and will have lot more options. Our daily driver is a honda civic(90% highway driving) so not too much worried about gas mileage at this moment.
You didn't mention the high wearing of combustion engine in hybrid cars! They need more oil change and constant starting and shutting down off the ICE causes engine not to run on right temperature.
Can you do a video comparing Toyota's hybrid system and Honda's?
It's coming! 👍
@@carhelpcorner very nice,thank you
Just got my corolla SE hybrid AWD and love it far!
What I really like about my Toyota RAV4 hybrid is that there is no hunting for gears while accelerating onto the highway. The CVT gives instant response. I had a RAV4 non hybrid getting 25 mpg. My hybrid gets 39 mpg and is slightly bigger than the older model year. Not much fun to drive, but practical.
I love my 2020 RAV4 Hybrid. I was mostly thinking about fuel efficiency when I bough it. However better fuel efficiency means better range. So I can safely drive 350-400 miles before refueling. After 45,000 miles and three years of ownership, the cost of ownership is the same as a standard internal combustion engine.
Think again. You didn't change the brake pads/rotors, you had no issues with the starter/generator/belts etc. And this will keep on going. The TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) for hybrids is smaller than for the equivalent ICE car. My own experience is confirming such statistics. Enjoy your hybrid!
How about living in a cold climate state where it gets minus 0 for days? Will the battery last for 10 years easily? Also, for someone that likes to drive fast and needs good pick up when zig zagging on the road, does it make sense to get a hybrid?
I drive a Toyota Corolla hybrid and love it. It’s the cheapest car I have owned but the best.
I suppose that for any retiree who can charge his EV at home and doesn't actually travel anywhere with it, that's the ideal automotive transportation, as maintenance costs won't be a problem. EVs seem ideally suited for suburb/city living.
Ive bought a preowned 2016 prius echo last 2018 for 19grand. Toyota dealership wants to buy my car recently for 15g. Crazy how the depreciation was just 4k. My total gas expenses every 3 wks is $25 on average. During the 2020 lock down, I was able to get 1 full tank of gad for 2.5 months lol so yeah hybrid is always better
I think hybrid is the way to go, either Honda or Toyota, I purchased a HONDA ACCORD and I'm happy only because they gave me 4.9 percent interest rate vs Toyota at 6.25% I like both and both are in my opinion the best options!!!
I don't see how town driving can be cheaper in the long run as you need to do enough out of town driving to charge the battery!
If you don't do enough long journeys to charge the battery you'll end up using the combustion engine around town.
E,g, if you only ever do town driving the battery will run out before it ever gets charged enough.
There must be a balance point (that would be really good to know) where the minimum amount of long journeys is calculated to not run out of battery around town.
It would be great to know where the balance lies, i.e. 50/50 country/town or 60/40 or whatever it is.
Could you maybe look into this please? MT.
Great content as always. Waited 5 months for my ICE 2023 Rav4 coming in this week. Would’ve taken an hybrid but I got scared of the rusting cable gate and Toyota not willing to include 2023 in expanded warranty. Will see in 10 yrs where the market standands!
Great video. Other things to consider when buying a hybrid is that if you don't drive much (less than 8000 miles a year), it may take 10 to 12 years (with the current gas prices) to make up for the difference in price. Plus dealerships give you a higher interest rate when financing if you go for the hybrid option of the car.
I bought a Toyota Corolla Cross hybrid because it's more fuel efficient in the city, has more power, and it has better resale value than its gasoline counterpart, even if it will take me a lot of years to recuperate the price difference, I'm fine with it because they're more eco-friendly than even some EV vehicles that use cobalt mining for their batteries.
Hybrid batteries dont need cobalt?
@@MagicNash89 Yes, all lithium-ion batteries use cobalt, though the hybrid batteries in less amount. Of course, in the long run, the EV will have less carbon footprint. I'm just saying that in my case the hybrid made sense, even with less driving than average.
How long did you wait to receive you Cross hybrid?
@@robertabgeginski8399 Nothing, I called the dealership in advance, they said they were going to receive a Cross Hybrid S in a few days and it was the color I wanted. Thanks to Shari's and other youtubers' advice I only paid MSRP plus taxes and mandated fees.The only thing is that the APR is higher for hybrids, but I plan to pay for the car in 2 years to avoid a lot of interest.
@@robertabgeginski8399I waited about 2 months
Excellent job covering all topics!
Thanks for some great info and advice. Second video I’ve seen from you and appreciate your format and presentation. Thanks for sharing. And I’ve subbed to your channel.
Hi Shari. I just watched this video for the first time. I like your channel and your advice. However, I think your suggestion to consider a third party replacement Li-ion battery is a dangerous one. I can send you some fire safety videos that cite cheap, third party Li-ion batteries as a significant source of fires. You may have intended the use of reputable batteries but you can't control "how low can they go?" in some viewer's purchase decisions. You may have even exposed yourself to unintended liability by making such a recommendation..
I have a 2023 RAV4 gas engine non hybrid and in mixed driving I get 6.9 l / 100 km.. That is measured over 8 k.
Is it true that your hybrid car now after 10 years will be obsolete already because newer car technology will come out? How is the resale value?
My 2002 Prius was awesome. However, eventually the battery died over 200 K. Than I bought my parents 2006 Prius when it already had 190 k miles. We had to get a refurbished battery for about 1500 dollars at 200 K that only last for about 20 k miles. I will say that besides burning oil and having to change battery, they never broke down.
I only drive about 6000 miles per year mostly city driving Is it worth it to buy a rav4 hybrid? Thanx Warren
Yes it is. The hybrid has far higher resale value so the initial price premium evens out in the end. Enjoy the gas savings.
This cost analysis overlooks a few things. In my Mammoth condo, electricity is 40c/kWh, so the fuel cost of a Model Y Tesla in the snow for 6 months is higher than a RAV4 hybrid. To install a 240V 40A line is $2,000 and I need home owners insurance with $1,000,000 coverage, $900/year, so over 8 years that's $9,200. At the end of 8 years, the MY drive train warranty expires so it becomes worthless, so you have $50,000+ depreciation. If you use Superchargers most of the time, you can expect a $20,000 bill for a new battery. The RAV4 will go on running for many years.
mile per gallon is how many km per litre? can someone convert the ancient unit to a more commonly use unit?
Do you not have google on your computer? ;) .
Another thing that hybrids has less maintenance is that there is no transmission to worry about! At least the ones that have ECVT.
Unfortunately most hybrids are available only in the highest trims and dealers have high markups, so after a plug in hybrid, for the next car I went regular gas, as the price difference to a hybrid didn't make economical sense anymore
Actually, this video is about hybrids, not about plug in hybrids. Let's talk after you'll own a hybrid.
i think so not worth to buy hybird now
What about cost of insurance? What about plug ins?
I bought 22 prius in December last year and it’s the best car I have ever owned.
My top two favorite reasons I like it. Constantly get over 60mpg from my car. My best full tank of gas I got 66.3 mpg. Keep in mind you have to drive it specifically to get this high mileage.
Additionally, the a/c compressor is electric and powered by the hybrid battery. It very rapidly gets cold and stays cold even at a stop because the a/c compressor can run at the best rpm regardless of the speed of car or engine.
Buy a Toyota hybrid!
I got a 2023 Corolla Hybrid SE AWD over a year ago now. I love it, great on gas especially in the city, and the AWD is good for winter driving (I live in northern Canada). I thought the price increase for the Hybrid+AWD of just under $2k cad was well worth it. And to be honest the ICE Corrola wasn't even my alternative, the Subaru Impreza was (AWD was a high priority for me).
I can't recommend this car enough, it's got all the modern basic tech wants, it is very economical, and reliable as expected (so far), I love it!
As the Hybrid AWD just came out in 2023 I was one of the first to receive mine, but this was due to placing my order nearly 10 months prior when I learned of the new AWD model coming out. I only paid MSRP, nothing above but that's as good as it gets these days with Toyotas low inventory. My Toyota dealer still has almost no cars on their lot, and hybrid models are almost all pre-sold.
I'm completely sold on hybrid now. The next vehicle I would purchase would be a PHEV, I'd definitely consider something like the RAV4 Prime. Unless battery tech gets much better then maybe a BEV.
Not all people buy 50k with cash. The price diff with interest included will make it impossible to break even and I used to change new car within 5 years. It never will recover.
There are other mechanics that said rebuild battery packs are not very safe. What is your take?
Well thought out and good presentation. Thank you, I enjoy your reviews. You covered the major points most consider and a couple more many forget about. The financial out put is more significant when the PHEV option is factored in due to the charging station associated costs which in many instances requires major upgrade to electrical panels. As it is with most vehicles fuel consumption claims are often well off from reality, one should expect such fuel consumption claims for hybrid and distance / range claims for EV will also be exaggerated. Consequently impacting the break even or savings time frame. No one should ever trust any car dealership to be truthful and transparent. As long as car manufactures can sell record numbers of vehicles and make record profits by inflating prices, creating the high demand by controlling the low supply, with bogus claims of raw material shortage prices will not come down and the same can be said about interest rates. This said my next vehicle will be a hybrid. Cheers.
Um, no, a phev has such a tiny battery that no one would ever need to upgrade their panel. You could charge with 120v 95% of the time every day and fill up 100%. And unlike Tesla, everyone else doesn't exaggerate their ev range.
Plug in Hybrids are the answer. Toyota had it right all along.
@ericwilliams626 Toyota just recently did plug in hybrids. They rather do hydrogen.
@@sprockkets If you are talking about cars you are circa 1990. People want trucks, mini trucks, that is today. All ages want a truck with 4 doors. This needs to be a plugin Hybrid with Toyota manufactures already. That's a fact. Your hydrogen comment is not a part of this thread.
@@ericwilliams626 No, you seem to be not understanding. First off, Toyota only made the Prius because California threatened to force EVs on ppl way, way back in the mid 90s. Second, their prime models are their only plug in hybrid, on the Prius and RAV4 which are like, came out 5 years ago for the Prius and was basically worthless.
Third, no, Toyota doesn't want to go EV - they want to go hydrogen. But since everyone already knew that was stupid, they finally, half-heartedly, made an EV, one that sucks of course which is hilarious for a company making hybrids for over 25 years.
Helpful discussion. I need a new car (obviously a reliable Toyota), and this is an issue.
I like my 2009 Toyota Prius Hybrid because of the gas mileage and it's still using the original High Voltage Battery!
Hybrid batteries often have very long warranties. The gas engine works less with Hybrid assistance. I've bought Hybrids since 2008 and my family bought the first Prius in our area in 2001. Yet I'm looking forward to hydrogen powered vehicles and appropriate charging facilities.
But will the batteries they make today last as long as the ones in the past?
Toyota warranties the hybrid batteries for 10 years and I believe 160,000 miles.
This is true of any battery in a BEV or HEV. Batteries have long lives and will outlast the actual vehicle. They are also the most reliable part of the vehicle. This myth of batteries dying after a time in in BEVs or HEVs is total crap.
@@toddsmith1617 Tesla car batteries are built to last between 300,000 to 500,000 miles before needing a replacement.
This estimate is based on the battery's ability to withstand a significant number of charge cycles, approximately 1,500 times of charging and discharging.
Warranty: 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with a minimum 70% retention of battery capacity.
They are discovering that batteries are lasting significantly longer than they originally estimated.
There are a lot of really ignorant comments here. Full of complete myths, untruths, propaganda and ideology. The source is hate, denial and fear.
I didnt know about the third party batteries. Good to know
Somebody should start a company that does third party batteries :) They will be in high demand as more and more aging hybrids
You also need to account for insurance. The 2025 Camry is $44 pm more than a 2021 Ford Escape Hybrid, and the Escape was more expensive than a Honda CRV ICE vehicle.
You pay more for registration, insurance and monthly payment with a hybrid. When factored into the other costs you aren’t ending up ahead of a gas car financially. Gas you pay $100/mo more in fuel but save about $100/mo from the above costs.
My conclusion was that its not a meaningful number either way. Just preference.
My Hybrid registration is the exact same price as my ICE vehicle. But an EV has higher registration costs.
I can save $1200 a year with an ev, even though gas here is cheaper than most of the nation. But it's not just about that, cause an ev is just so much more relaxing to drive. And they can heat instantly too in winter.
I would though pay 100 , more a year for registration. Don't buy a Tesla and insurance is fine.
Great video. Thanks. Is the used hybrid vehicle market also strong? If the hybrid car is a couple of years old, I would guess the original battery could be a deal breaker? You did mention that 3rd party hybrid batteries are coming down and more readily available. Could this make buying a used hybrid a serious consideration? Can you suggest how old a hybrid might be to make it a good alternative to a pure ICE vehicle?(in general)
I'm in Toronto Ontario, decided to buy my first ever car so I put an order on 2022 Hyundai Elantra hybrid, thinking it will be less in demand than the Corolla hybrid counter part, it has been 1.5 years and still I didn't received it. I now put deposit on 2024 VW Jetta, hopefully it will come in a month. I don't drive that much. Toyota has bigger supply issue here in Canada
What about my mechanic who doesn't keep up with hybrid vehicles? Should I switch to a new mechanic just because he doesn't want to get with the times and I end up paying more because the new mechanic knows the new technology? I have a '99 Camry that is still my daily driver.
On the maintenance, since the gas engine doesn't run all the time, you don't need things like oil changes as often.
Any regrets or issues with hybrids and the well known thefts of catalytic converters? Or perhaps, just install anti-theft devices depending on your area?
In 2006 I chose a Scion XB over a Toyota Prius solely because it was $10,000 more. Even though the Prius got better gas milage 18 years later and I haven't spent that extra $10,000 in gas yet. You have to calculate more than just MPG when buying a vehicle.
i like the hybrids but its risky where I live. We have the Canadian winter with salts are frequently used on the roads.
Resale value on a 8 yo hybrid Toyota vs gas ? Is it a « plus or a minus » in that perspective ?
My 2009 Prius uses 5.1 L/100 klm no matter city or country driving. I travel to work 820 klm on a 7/7 roster
My 2010 Toyota Auris / Corolla 1.6L 6 speed gets 5.2L / 100km countryside with motorway and city driving. I'm driving conservatively though.
We have a hybrid and 6 times driving 15 miles from work to home got 90mpg. It averages 70mpg commuting to work. At 3.25/gal works out to about $500/yr.
Hello. What make and model do you have? Thanks.
2017 ioniq hybrid. Epa 58mpg but it can do better
Gas is nearly $6/gal on CA so that would double to nearly $1k/yr.
Hybrid, my 2020 crv hybrid averages 38 mpg and it only cost about 3k more than the gasoline plus its very quiet at low speeds because of the hybrid power and perfect for town drives
I have a 2023 Honda Accord Hybrid Sport, it's great on gas. Depending on where i'm going I can get 150 mpg, the lowest i've ever gotten was 41 mpg