@@TommyLGarage honestly you sound a bit like a whiner , the things you complain about are petty, I have own plenty of different car brands and their is always something I am not a fan of because there is no perfect car.
@@vcam-g9hthere is a perfect car and it is the car you drive when you are young and living adventures while growing. Road trips with your friends, back seat with your gf. Then we grow up and we look for things that aren't good in everything we own instead of enjoying it like when we were young.
Had mine for a year now and it still looks, feels and smells brand new. 30,000 miles on it and still have NOT had to replace anything, not even the wipers. I fall in love with it more and more every day.
Regen braking was not reduced via an over the air update. It just got cold outside. In fact, tesla increased regen braking in a cold battery via an over the update where it basically will create heat with the motors when the battery is cold and still provide regen braking when it did not before. Also, the battery likely didn’t degrade much, the BMS estimate is likely just off due to charging habits Not a perfect car but it’s very nice :)
You would think after a year of ownership that he would have figured that out on his own. Obviously this is his wife's car, and he says, "she loves it.", so there you go.
You saved me typing, this guy does not know what he is talking about. Cold weather and driving habits will show different full charge estimates, NOT degradation. This is why I will NOT watch another video from this channel... hence thumbs down.
They also added an update recently where you can have the physical brakes kick in to compensate for the reduced regen braking either due to colder weather, or if the battery is over 90% charge and can't do much regen.
Totally agree. There are some videos on YT bout ppl using a Model 3 as a Taxi. After 200k+ miles the battery lost 15% of its capacity. An that's the worst scenario benchmark you can imagine
We were told by Tesla not to charge 100% most of the time. We only charge to 90% and after more than 2 years of ownership the batteries have shown no noticeable decline in charge. Phantom braking is a problem although not as bad as it was, but still a headache. Overall we are quite happy with the car. We would never road trip with it, just don’t want the hassle of finding charging stations. For local daily driving it is so nice not having to worry about gas prices. As you stated the acceleration never gets old, ours is a performance Y. When I really want acceleration I hop in the S plaid, that thing makes the Y seem slow. The S is one of the smoothest riding cars out there due to its air suspension, but that performance comes at a cost and the car sits so low that for me it’s difficult to get in and out of so I don’t drive it very often. For most people the Y is a great car, but never buy any EV until you do your research. There are some unique things that you must consider before buying.
There is no hassle finding Tesla Superchargers. When you use the navigation, the app will show you where they are, tell you how many chargers are available at each location and how long to charge there. If a location is too busy, you may be routed to another one during the trip. Relax and enjoy your trip.
@@Garrison169 it is a hassle, you're stuck to driving the route they nav wants to take. And I guess adding 6hrs to your trip isn't a hassle either. Teslastans are the most annoying twats on the interent.
good video. I have a jag ipace and charge to 60% unless I go on a road trip, then it's 80%. The jags done 60000miles and the battery has degradation of about 7% in 4 years.
i got the model Y LR. owned since Jan 2022 and have 50 K miles. my battery loss is very little maybe 10 miles but i also rarely charge to 100% so thats probably helped a good bit. I do agree the wireless chargers do suck. My car does Ghost breaking randomly day and night but sometimes it doesnt happen for weeks. FSD does work much better than the Autopilot program. I would buy another one a highly recommend one to anyone.
I think there is a setting so you can have the app open in the background to unlock the car. And there should also be a setting now to simulate regen braking when it's not fully available (of cause depends on your current software version)
I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.
I feel your pain mate, as a fellow retiree, I’d suggest you look into passive index fund investing and learn some more. For me, I had my share of ups and downs when I first started looking for a consistent passive income so I hired an expert advisor for aid, and following her advice, I poured $30k in value stocks and digital assets, Up to 200k so far and pretty sure I'm ready for whatever comes.
I see cureent owners of model3 making videos like this as Tesla reduced the price of model 3, reducing the market value of used model3. Current owners are not happy. 1:40 if you want to charge your phone, you should consider buying a phone charger. Car is not a phone charger.
I have owned a Model Y Performance since last October and plan to keep it long term. It is a fantastic around town car. Plenty of storage space for our needs. It is a fun car but also appliance-like too. Not a problem for me as we have other vehicles for fun or utility.
I would agree that the feeling I get when entering my M3LR is far from one of luxury and that continues while driving with a rattle here and there. However, I never assumed that luxury was what I was paying for in a Tesla Model 3. I consider it (Tesla) to be the best electric car available for the dollars paid. Acceleration, OTA updates, range, charging infrastructure and an overall feeling of technical excellence overtake the loss of a luxurious feeling.
I agree with you and I'm thinking of buying a Model Y. My expectations of engineering excellence are met 100%, however with the cost of the vehicle I'd think they'd have added by now different interiors, colors, body improvements and variations...it is disappointing in these aspects but as a consumer, I think I'm going to stick with a vehicle that is top of the line in respect to engineering and function. What out there on the market can compete with that standard, plus have luxury interior/exterior, and price range? BTW...I'll NEVER own another Ford so don't even mention those POS!
The US gov't paid for that charging infrastructure thats so grossly underwhelmed and done so Elon can keep grifting more govt money and keep giving Teslas management like Kirkhorn a $600 million severance package for being a CFO for just 4yrs.......... The gov't should of made Tesla manufacture and install 1 charger per every 3 vehicles manufactured in order to get those carbon credits they profit highly from and install those chargers on or near the interstate near the points of delivery of the vehicles..Theres millions of Teslas made and yet theres less than 30,000 Tesla chargers worldwide and theyre selling their NACS adapters to other car manufacturers then gonna lean on the gov't in grifter mode... Just think about that a lil too ..Where do you think the money comes from?...Taxpayers and the people who bought a Tesla or an EV that uses a Tesla charger.. Your tax dollars are funding your own charging infrastructure that alot complain about and then you are paying to use those chargers that rely on fossil fuels and pay taxes for the sale while Tesla profits from three ends! Thats highly irresponsible as a car company in my eye to rely on the gov't to mop up a mess Tesla they themselves created also to mention has plenty of money to fix the issue but refuses to because most of Teslas worth is gonna be sliced and diced by the entire management and noone wants to chance their portions to make customers truly happy.... ....
Your model is afflicted by fraudulent range aswell as has inferior suspension parts...Just look up Whompy Wheels lawsuits... Then theres the fraudulent statements about Safety with Tesla giving themselves 5.4 stars when theres 5 stars maximum plus the NHTSA had to tell Tesla numerous times not to claim those misleading claims they say are facts... The NHTSA has over 500 pages on the subject of how Tesla claims fraudulent and misleading claims about its vehicles but Tesla asked them to only display 79 pages and withhold 450 of that report they show online.....LOL Oh and then theres the crash test manipulation investigation too.. I love when people say theyre happy with buying dollar store goods that were displayed in the Macys window and priced accordingly...LOL
I get that, but the problem is you're paying luxury car prices. Maybe not so much now they have dropped the prices, but I can see their market beginning to slide once the EV novelty wears off as more competition emerges and more and more people realise exactly what it is they are getting, and more importantly, not getting.
I have two Tesla's a 3 and a Y. I am all in on Tesla. I have had the 3 for approx 3 years. I will never own another ICE car, and not becasue of the environment, I just love the driving experience. I agree with a lot of your points, I still have not seen anything that can match the Tesla for price/performance/features/buying experience/dependability.
I will buy an EV for my next car, but I'm not at all interested in Tesla. I think they're fugly and the build quality and interior materials are really bad at the price point.
I gotta say, I agree about %10 of what you said. My wife got a model Y about 2 weeks ago, I’ve driven it 3 time, and there’s no way I can ever go back to a gas car again.
@@TommyLGarage I have MYL with FSD BETA(11.4.4) I go to work at 5 pm And come back 10 pm ( retired but work for fun(? Means not really for money). It is so relaxing it is almost therapeutic I love to go to work because I can drive. When my wife asks me to do errands I jump into my car with a big smile. Youth channels are showing only dramatic things(but it exists). Most FSD beta users enjoy the software. I paid 15,000 but I think it is worth every penny as of is now. But Elon will only make it better from here
Good points. The positive definitely outweigh the negative for me. My wife got one after her 530i was totaled. Many asked for my recommendation and bought Tesla. I spoke to Mach E owner who bought one when someone backed out of a contract. He said the one thing he did not like about the Mach E was the poor charging network when he drives long distance. I believe Tesla is not just an EV but an EV with a whole network of supercharging. The price you pay is part of the supercharging.
agreed, actually just commented the same. holding off on my reservation and 2 chances to order an F150 lightning because of the nonTesla charging network issues
Absolutely love my Model Y. Safety, software, and SuperChargers are just too good to ignore. Incredibly comfortable, best cargo capacity in its class, excellent performance, great range... what's not to like. ;)
@@TommyLGarage LMAO, yet you say Mustang Mach E is more luxury because of some cheap ass ambient lighting that ford installed for $100 bucks. Smh. How about keep your small children safe in the safest vehicle ever made by humans. Your children not being dead is the BEST LUXURY in the world
So for you, if Tesla doesn't change the color of the paint they apply, there's "no innovation" ? Have you seen any of Munro Live's analyses of Tesla's continuous design improvements?
If you regularly go to work at a certain time, the car will be able to automatically precondition the battery 10-15 minutes prior to your normal departure so you should have regen breaking immediately available. If you are topping your phone at 100% all the time, the longevity of the battery maybe compromised , why would a car battery be any different?
I have had a model Y LR for 14 months and I have over 25K miles. I mostly love the car. The phantom braking is really the only thing that would prevent me from buying another Tesla. That has gotten much better with software updates, but it is still an issue that I have my doubts will every be truly resolved. Until CCS charging gets better in the rural area I live in Tesla is really the only option. I do most of my charging at home, but I do road trips nearly once a month and there are far fewer CCS fast chargers along the routes I typically travel.
The phantom braking events always occurred while using basic autopilot. I should mention that with the latest software Tesla has finally fixed the problem and for the lasts 6 weeks or so I have very rarely experienced phantom braking. I a year and a half of ownership Tesla has provided the car I should have had the day I took delivery.@@cutlassrkt
I have a Model Y LR, and my experience has been good except for the occasional phantom braking issue. Otherwise, it is a fun car to drive even on long trips like a recent one from OKC to Shelby, Montana, and back. I do agree with the earlier writer that more supercharger stations are needed in rural areas as well as Western States. But, resistance to EV's is part of the problem, which eventually will be resolved.
That's pretty funny , you pass every gas station because you fill it up every night at home 😄, my conventional car I often go two weeks without even thinking about filling up , then I pull into a servo and spend 5 minutes filling up and don't even think about filling up again for another couple of weeks ,and my conventional car has the same range it had 6 years ago when it came off the production line , and probably will have in another 6 years.
@@mikldude9376 Your comment is funny too, times are changing. perhaps you already have a smartphone? is it electric or diesel powerd? electric, ok, lucky guy! so you are taking it once a week to the shop in the mall to fill it up? no? because its not convenient? you charge it at home? but this takes hours!!! oh you charge over night, so charging time doesnt matter, how clever!
@@mikldude9376 the only thing is every time I go fill the car up I'm worried about the price lol, shit's expensive af for even half the tank like somewhere around 50$ in Germany, would rather spend the money on some coffee n have it while I charge, much more chill but yea depends if ur always in some sort of hurry.
The wider tires have absolutely affected your range. I don’t believe your battery has degraded that much. The cars computer algorithm adjusts the range as you drive over time and with the wider tires there is absolutely no way the range has not been negatively affected.
No, it’s actually a well known fact that Tesla batteries degrade way faster than you’d expect. After about 7 years the battery would fail. And that’s with very economical driving such as no hard acceleration, ever.
@@SeamusOR it's a 'well-exaggerated trope' that Tesla batteries degrade faster, but it's not way faster and not actually a fact. just an internet urban legend. there are more examples of the Tesla battery packs NOT degrading much as there are some that DO degrade more than expected. BUT ALL ARE STATISTICALLY CONSISTENT. TESLA BATTERY PACKS ARE VERY GOOD.
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Nobody knows anything; You need to create your process, manage risk, and stick to the plan, through thick or thin, While also continuously learning from mistakes and improving.
@@MattheoPuiu True, initially I wasn't quite impressed with my gains, as opposed to my previous performances, I was doing so badly, that I figured I needed to diversify into better assets, I touched base with a portfolio advisor, and that same year, I pulled a net gain of 550k...that's like 7times more than I average on my own.
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7 months in my model 3, I have to say 0 issues, I think the only problem is the cameras seem to get blinded easily that's it, other then that it's been an excellent car!!
I’ve had my x for almost 5 years, just got a y. For me it has everything I need and enough acceleration. Drive around 50-60k a year and no other car has been as good for that much driving besides maybe my older Toyota.
ive had my model y for a year and a half and I drive this car like no other. 35 thousand miles per year. I fricken love my car, my only complaint is the stiff suspension for the performance model so I opt for 18" wheels and a bigger tire for more cushion, it's OK now. The car saves me $300 PER MONTH on gas. So I dont see it as a luxury option but a survivability option with a hint of luxury. I dont regret my decision
Do you charge your car to close to 100% every night? That might explain your lack of regen in the morning, and the relatively high range loss after just a year. I've had my M3LR for 4 years and have had similar range loss, although doing a couple of deep discharge cycles might bring it back up a bit. Not concerned because the most meaningful range is not 300 miles but the distance to the next Supercharger on a road trip. Anyway, I'm taking delivery of this same blue car but with white seats in a week, and wouldn't get any other brand until competing charging networks get their shit together. The way things are going with EA that may take a while yet.
I have had the same car, with white seats, for almost 2 months and the things you don't like are the things I like best. I simply turn off the automatic high lights. Only the suspension is too low. If we could install air suspension in Tesla, it would be perfect. It exists, but we would lose the warranty if we did. The cameras are very low quality. But I am totally in love with the car.
I have had a model 3 (RWD LFP) for 13 months (and 16K kms) and still love it. Its a great handling car for our windy roads here in NZ. By far the biggest negative for me is the phantom braking - when you get a full on emergency brake then it certainly gives you and your passengers a big fright (not to mention the risk from cars following closely)! This problem is not unique to Tesla (or EVs for that matter) but they certainly need to improve it. On other big positives I find the frequent software updates are fantastic and the car is much better than when I first got it (many quirks fixed and useful new features added). Also the Tesla Supercharger network is a big plus - my experience here in NZ is that they always have bays available, they charge quickly and they always work with a minimum of fuss (definitely not always the case with other public chargers as I have found here - e.g. in one town there were 2 separate public chargers and both were broken!). I'm not sure a Mach E would work well for me, personally, as our public charging infrastructure (coupled with a higher energy consumption of the Mach E) would be frustrating on longer trips. In any case its a bigger car than we need now. So for me the Tesla positives greatly out weigh the negatives but everyone is going to have their own needs and its a matter of weighing up what you need.
Tesla are very specific about how often to clean the cameras. I wonder could a slightly dirty front cameras could be the main reason for phantom braking. To be honest, in my 10K kilometers with it, my Model Y only once did that. As for the chances of being hit from behind by another car, well for that they teach us to keep safe distance in according to the speed we are driving with. The irony is that we bought the Tesla, because a week earlier another BMW M5 stopped in the rear of ours. The damage was not huge, but since I have to drive our son to school on a daily basis, it became clear to us that we need a second car.
BEFORE…All of you should deep think about...IT'S REAL TRUE!! *Tesla Model 3 Total Cost After 10 Years =20k for Battery/10years + $ Suppercharged/Home (+) SERVICES/Maintainance = TOO MUCH?? *Hond/Toy 2024 Total Cost After 10 Years = 0,636k for 02-Battery/10years + $ Gas (+) SERVICES/Maintainance = VERY CHEAP!! Why... ??@@markmiller8903
Interesting video. Just bought a Model Y Performance last week (12/23) for about $8k less than last year’s price (including an extra $1k off for being a Cybertruck reservation holder) and did a road trip to Las Vegas. Easy to find superchargers and we watched Netflix on the Tesla screen while charging, fun! A lot to learn about the controls but I’m learning.
I can’t stand being at a gas station for more than a few minutes. I’ve been to a grocery store, gone shopping and the same people are still at the Tesla Superchargers as I’m walking back out. Netflix on a small fixed screen?! I like my iPad Pro 12.9 or just getting to my hotel room a lot faster.
We have had our model three for four years now and still love it. But we also don’t drive like you nor are we enthusiasts. What we have saved in gas and maintenance is really incredible(approximately $500 in our time of ownership). I can’t imagine ever returning to ICE cars. Thanks
We own a 2018 M3LR and never had a problem. Long trips are easy with the supercharging network and nav. Bought a MX Plaid and it is beyond amazing. Live in Long Island, NY where FSD can be challenging, yet works well in both cars. Travel to NYC often. Will not wish to drive any other vehicle.
@@raymondallo9947 Hello Raymond. $500 is our total maintenance cost over the 4 years(all maintenance and $325 of that was for a replacement tire). Gas savings is around $7500-$10,000 over that same time. We keep a running total with current prices. We get 1200-1500 miles for about $32 a month of extra electric charges. Hope that provides a better answer. also, over that time, our electricity increase has only been $4 per month. Can't do that with gas!
@@kennethburke3592 Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. How is your charge holding up. Same problem as Tommy that mileage drops what you get out of your batteries?
@@raymondallo9947 I am glad it helped and I thank you for pointing out my mistake. As to battery degradation, It was about 8-10% after the first years and then stabilized and is virtually unchanged for the last three years. One other note, with a software upgrade, we got about 5% of the loss back in the third year. All and all, we are happy with where we are
An 8% loss of range over the first year of ownership is actually really good not bad. Regen has always been limited when the ambient temp is low, plus you can enable friction brake one pedal driving. Teslas do have interior cabin ambient lighting.
8% loss of range in one year is not bad? Seriously? At that rate, it will only have 60% range after five years and 20% after 10. That's not "really good". Sounds like you approve of dramatic planned obsolescence in your cars.
@@4thdistrict476 You don't understand lithium batteries. The degradation is not linear. The degradation is high in the first year or so of use. Then it is almost but not quite zero for an extended period of time. Then at some point in the future it returns but at a highly accelerated rate. The period of time between is the unknown. It depends on how well you take care of your battery. Charge it to 100% and let it stay there or drop it to near zero without recharging and the period of time is shorter. Over heat it or expose it to very low temperatures and the period will be shorter. Under normal conditions with reasonable care taken it should be 10 to 15 years, more or less.
@@bryanwhitton1784 - thanks for the information. Studies I have seen for the battery technology used in my own EV (not a Tesla) provide graphs that indicate the battery life stays quite stable for the first five years and then begins a slow deterioration to about 15% loss after about 10 years or so, depending on how it is charged. Not being a Tesla battery it may behave differently than the battery technology in those cars.
I learned a couple of things in this 1. It's generally an alright car but much of that goodness seems to come from the charging network. I've never seen a charging station here or maybe just didn't notice one. The centre is only about 20 minutes away tho. 2. A lot of people don't know the difference in spelling breaking (as in breaking something) and braking (slowing a car).
@@notdan995 That is not fair! One should take these reports of a phantom credibly. Especially a phantom that is breaking things. Lock up those Hummel figurines, that’s my advice.
Autocorrect for the Braking comment dude...easily done. The Tesla charging network will be open to everyone....Tesla will not have a choice. Also, like the Iphone lightning connector getting changed to USB-C, the same will happen to the Tesla chargers. They will be forced to fit a common charging connector across ALL charging stations, Tesla, or 3rd party. It is better for the consumer and better for the environment.
Yes the only significant advantage Tesla had was it’s charging network, but musk squandered that by opening up the network to a big number of other cars.
We’ve owned our model Y since October 2022 and have enjoyed the car very much. Its acceleration, the drive, the look, the screen, and all of its features, are all fantastic. The negatives are the life of the tires, there was a funny smell coming out of the filter that we had to change, and the severe depreciation of the car since they keep dropping the prices since we purchased the car. At the new prices, I would definitely buy another one, roughly around 20 K less for the same exact model and features
Good video! I have to admit I am a Model X fan and have driven the car 22,000 miles in a little over five years. The longest trip being over 600 miles round trip about three/four times a year. Covid kept me home bound, so mileage is low. I think this size is huge, in answer to all of you who have space issues. I did buy a new 'alternate' battery, and four new tires recently, plus sprung for another five years of warranty. I am 84 years young and loving the speed I use when getting onto the highway here in the Bay Area. I can avoid everyone!!
The emergency breaking can be turned down or off. Mine is on medium and the breaking is not aggressive. On a 850 mile 14 hour trip, I think it breaked twice like 70 to 50mph then resumed 70. For when the car isn't using regen there is a new option to use the real break so you can simulate one pedal driving (this could have been part of the last update). There is an option for ambient light, it keeps the floor lights on while driving and they are not too bright.
Does anyone think that driving without using the break means you may lose some speed of reaction for emergencies? Ir does that just not happen? I park cars for a living and get to drive everything. but I don’t get to drive them very far. I always wonder.
If you think it is OK that the car ONLY breaks twice out of nothing, I am not sure were your priorities are. It should NOT just break out of nothing EVER, period.
That phantom breaking is scary: hopefully, a software update will fix that. The roofline shape I assume has a lot to do with aerodynamic drag reduction so it depends on what tradeoff you are willing to make. While I can see the aesthetic reason for hiding the hitch, you would think the smart engineers at Tesla would come up with a better way to install a safety pin even if it means a custom solution.
Phantom braking has been a known issue for the last few years and does keep improving with every update. While you can get it with a tow hitch (I got one on my MY) I do not recommend buying a Tesla if you do a lot of towing, (I have a F150 for that). The rest is all nitpicking really & if his wife likes the car then that's all that matters. 🙂
I'll probably end up buying a Model Y in the next 2 months or so, but I've already concluded I won't be using auto pilot. Honestly, unless I'm doing a long road trip, I never use autopilot in any of the cars I drive. With that said, however, clearly phantom breaking is unacceptable. I also feel it's something Tesla won't be able to fix. I might be wrong, but it seems the problem is due to them removing the radars in favor or cameras and if I had to guess, there's no way to not have the cameras occasionally get fooled. You need both cameras and radar. But I get it, it's hard to add all of these features and keep the price reasonable. We're just finding out that GM loses $9k with every Chevy Bolt they sell.
Even in the day I find it way too sensitive. If you are trying to pass a push bike it won't do it. If there is a crossroads ahead of you, and a car goes aross from one side to the other, it will brake like 2 seconds after the car has already crossed all the way over, even when it's like 200 yards away. The other time is when someone is wating at a T junction it will brake even if they aren't moving. That being said I've just learned to turn off cruise control when those situations arise. Cruise control is no excuse for not paying attention, but it does make me all the more sceptical about full self driving arriving any time soon. The bigger pain is the lane departure system that tries to yank the wheel at random times when I don't want it to. It wants you to drive in the middle of the lane, but if there is a truck on one side and nothing on the other then I want to be as far over as I can, but the car wants to violently steer me towards the truck that is snaking back and forth in it's lane... I know you can turn it off but it resets every journey and I don't always remember.
@@TygerByte if phantom breaking causes death, it's because someone was tailgating you very closely illegally like a total asshole. Assholery on wheels causes death, not phantom breaking.
There’s a setting to handle the “inconsistent feeling” with regen braking not being available yet. And people confuse “battery degradation” with the car adjusting the range based on driving habits. For instance, mostly on the highway at 75+, your range goes down. Heavy foot, your range goes down. Even though your battery may be able to hold exactly the same charge. I thought the phantom braking issue was pretty much handled now, no? Either way, the fact that this was happening to so many people is 100% unacceptable.
So the degradation is 100% real since I drive most of the time. It got a lot worse and I never ever get close to 300 now. Actual range is close to 200.
@@TommyLGarage - bummer. Since that’s the case, you should put in a warranty claim. I believe your battery is warranted to retain 70% (not degrade more than 30%) for 120k miles. Service should be able to take it for a couple days, fully drain the battery, then fully charge it and see how much goes into the pack (vs wasted). If it’s degraded that much, they’ll replace it for free.
You just select mechanical braking mixed into the regen when needed in software, creates the same feel when lifting. In brakes and steering control menu, enable mechanical braking when regen reduced. 11 months in and I would never consider a non Tesla EV, I travel upstate NY to Boston regularly, The charging infrastructure (non Tesla) is not reliable enough. The networks are not online and you do not know if the charger will be working or occupied when you arrive. Supercharging is the huge deal breaker for me, I have never been skunked.
There's a setting for using brakes to simulate regen braking when your battery is a 100 percent or for some other reason it cannot regen. It works very well and can't really tell the difference. In fact it was turned on by default in my model 3, I don't remember turning it on.
Unless you live at the top of a mountain I don't see how the battery could be charged to 100% when braking is required. Perhaps I am missing something.
@@frankeggers4024 Theoretically you are correct at least according to the first and second law of thermodynamics. However there are safety mechanisms on the battery itself not to fully regenerate near 100 percent. When I first pull out of my driveway it's basically full so no regen braking is done. Get down the road a few miles and it starts regening. There's also no regen in very cold environments until the battery warms up. The battery won't charge until 0c or 32f
@@Ryan-ff2db So far I have charged only up to 80% which is more than sufficient for me since I so rarely leave the metropolitan area. However, if I ever need to take a long trip I may charge to 100%. As for cold weather, here in the desert the temperature very rarely drops to 40F. But based on what you have written, I can see how it is possible for regenerative braking to be disabled sometimes.
@@frankeggers4024 Yeah, realistically its not issue if that setting is turned on. I have an LFP battery, so Tesla recommends charging to 100 percent at least once a week. I just went down to Costco which is about 5 miles away. I didn't really check the regen on the way there but it was definitely regen charging on the way back at 98 percent or so.
5:46 You can't measure battery degradation by the miles it shows you can get, that is affected by far too many other factors, like driving style, and temporature.
Good points - I’m not a Tesla owner, partly because I am tired of seeing the same body style everywhere, and appreciate all kinds of interior features as opposed to the minimalist interior. “Appliance” seems an appropriate description, eliminating the individuality that car enthusiasts and most people want.
When I first bought my Tesla, I thought like you do about the interior. I have owned a lot of cars and it was very different. Fast forward a couple of years and I love the look. I don't like getting in another car a looking at all the junk cluttering up my view. I would like some custom lighting in the cab, but you can always do that aftermarket.
Everytime I want to get rid of my Y, i realize that nothing else really compares. Once you get used to the tech and absolute simplicity and ease of use, you get into something from any other luxury manufacturer and you are left wanting. Especially when it's electric.
Thank you for the useful review. I own a Chevy Volt right now bc I have always tried to spend the least amount possible on cars. We can afford more, but it’s kind of a mantra of mine to spend as little as possible. That said, I am most likely going to buy the model Y in a year or two. I like the idea of this car bc of: 1. No gas 2. AWD, 3. Storage space, and 4. low maintenance costs. I appreciate the information you provided
My model 3 recently received the true FSD beta. While it isn't all that reliable just yet, I do have to admit it is a vast improvement over the previous version. Lane changes are very smooth now as is braking and acceleration from and to traffic lights. Many instances of phantom breaking no longer occur. While its far from perfect it is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. I have my gripes about Tesla's build quality, software glitches, issues with my phone key almost never working when my hands are full, ect., but if you are looking for an electric option, just the charging network alone puts the brand far ahead of the competition.
@@nomayor1 Yes, you are right that Tesla Y is light years behind the BMW iX.. in price. It is double the money. That is just base price. That grill is hideous too. The self driving features are better in the Tesla because BMW only has a highway driving. BMW is expensive for everything. Tesla is trying to have more mass market adoption and is continuing to innovate. The gigacastings are nothing short of revolutionary and others will be following suit soon. They got the electric revolution started and they should be praised for that. Musk has become distracted with other things, none of which are successful as Tesla. The hyperloop nothing short of stupid and dismissed a hundred years ago as impractical. Their solar panels are nothing special.. etc.
@@wylieecoyoteI wasn't going to mention it, but the number of fatal accidents related to tesla's "auto-pilot", are a unique phenomenon in the industry. All that tesla has to say is that their "auto-pilot" system shouldn't actually be treated like so and people should be alert and ready to take control at any moment. That's how much they trust their own system. And yet, they continue to market this system as "auto-pilot", which is what people hear and, of course, assume (and get killed later). Since you think that the "gigacastings" (which were purely intended to cut costs - for tesla) were somewhat innovative, watch here on youtube a video titled: "Autoline network Tearing Down the Model T of Our Time - Autoline After Hours 284". Just so that you get a picture what BMW was doing, more than ten years ago. And let me tell you a couple of other things about your "tesla": -Tesla only survived because it was a child of the NYSE. Years upon years upon years went by with tesla reporting millions of damages, and yet the NYSE and US media kept the narative going, and kept new investor money flowing in, just to save the money of the previous investors. Just dare to say that this isn't what happened. It is possible to describe tesla as the biggest ponzi scheme in the whole automotive history. BMW was, and remains during their extremely carefully managed gradual move to electric cars, a perfectly p-r-o-f-i-t-a-b-l-e company. Plus, they are looking beyond BEVs, with their hydrogen power plans. And that, is not a theory anymore, the European Clean Hydrogen Alliance was set up in July 2020 to support the large-scale deployment of clean hydrogen technologies by 2030. This, among others, will mean the creation of a Hydrogen distribution network. -Tesla, through musk himself, had the unimaginable audacity to state: "We will coup anyone we want, anywhere we want, deal with it". He was referring of course to the coup in Bolivia, in order to take control of the country's lithium reserves. That's the ethos of tesla. BMW uses no rare-earth metals, it has full control of their supply chain and of the environmental impact of the very processes that the raw materials they use are extracted, since 2020 *All* BMW factories use exclusively renewable energy and right now, some models like the i4 use interior which is made by 60% not only from recyclable, but *Recycled* plastics. The only thing tesla can do from now own, which they have started already, is reduce their prices. That's the only thing they will be able to compete with the Germans now.
Bullish or bearish, AI stocks will still dominate 2024, even beyond. Why I prefer NVIDIA is that they are better placed to maintain long-term growth potential, and provide a platform for other AI companies. I know someone who has made more than 200% from NVIDIA. I'll also take these other recommendations you made.
I agree, just because the market presents opportunities doesn't mean we should rush in headfirst. For this reason, we should look for appropriate market analysis or guidance or seek advice from certified market strategists.
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I got my car within a few weeks of yours (next week will be a year), same config. Starting watching your channel because you got the car when i did. Anyway, agree with your pros and my comments to your cons: Regen braking has always been limited in cold weather. they improved this with the option to turn on auto apply brakes, so you can drive it the same way no matter if its cold or warm. Agree on the wheels, i actually only kept the Uberturbines on for a couple months, switched to aftermarket 19's with crossclimate2's on them. I only have just over 10k miles on mine but i never got over 300 mi indicated, even when charged to 100% which I've only done a few times, now its winter it shows less though. I don't pay attention to the miles tho, just %. Agree the hitch is kinda annoying to use, you basically have to lay on the ground to hook up a trailer. I refused to pay $350 for a $10 garage door opener, yes it should be included... yes there are more Model Y's out there but it definitely isnt a toyota appliance. Your comment of 'it never gets old' (its performance) is the opposite of an appliance car. Interior lighting on the car does suck, but many new cars are doing that, they don't light up the interior, they put dim LED spotlights only on the certain area of your seat, its not just the model Y. I still like mine, I've actually got 2 chances to order the F150 Lighting (I'm a reservation holder) and am holding off because of the limitations on the non Tesla charging network. mostly Non-Tesla charger reliability and availability.
@@TommyLGarage yes, I think Tesla's luxury is in the features and software vs the 'stuff' on the interior. Like they don't have the wow factor of bmw or MB, but they do have the over the top performance and options on screen. Its like Teslas have been called luxury because the industry doesn't really know what to call advanced and never seen before quirks of the cars.
@@phtofl My wife and I traded our Mercedes SLK-250 for a new 2023 Model Y just last Wednesday. I don't miss all the buttons in the SLK if that is what luxury is all about. We actually prefer the minimalist interior as less is more for us. The new 2023 Y's have Ambient lighting if that is what luxury is all about. We have a 2013 Ford Explorer that we're debating on getting rid of except it has 7 person seating and our Y is only the 5-seat model. Lots to consider when you move to a Tesla, but I'm not wanting a lot more luxury. It's fine enough for us. Just my 2c.
@@TommyLGarage Show me once where Tesla markets its cars as luxury. Not in any website or document. They call them premium. You call it a luxury car not Tesla.
all good points. One thing that's helpful in the last couple of updates is the option to combine regen and the brakes together for when the regen is weak due to battery charge being too high. One that i found annoying at first and totally used to now is auto shutoff turn signals when the vehicle detects the lane change.
@@js32257 Not only that. In colder weather (even in Cali where I live at around 65F) regen is not fully available for a long time. Sometimes, it becomes available all the way, but then after more driving, some of the dots on the bar appear again to indicate less of regen. in short, it is just a weird way Tesla manages it. Perhaps, it monitors battery SOC and temperature. But, it could be annoying sometimes.
@@cobrachannel100 I don’t own a Tesla but I wouldn’t call the behavior weird. They are focusing on battery health. You don’t want to charge an already charged or “cold” battery. I see both sides, though. The problem I have is that disabling regen braking changes the feel of how the car drives and that is not safe. The only solution I see is an always warmed small auxiliary battery to take the charge when the main battery is cold or already fully charged but…who wants to pay for that?
I'm with you that the EX90 and the MME are better built and more appealing cars. I wasn't considering the Model Y at all before the $13,000 price cut that made it eligible for the $7,500 tax credit, now I am expecting my Model Y order to come in within two weeks.
You will love the OTA updates, screen OS, the mobile app and SC network. That's the type of luxury you get with Tesla. Don't expect MB-type massage seats lol. You have to pay 20k more for a comparable MB or BMW. Congrats and smart choice!
The morning regen braking and phantom breaking point are good ones. On the whole, I think the good points are more substantive than the bad points. I'm wondering how alternatives stand up.
I just had a test drive with Model Y. During maybe 80km I experienced once Autopilot (i.e. cruise control) confusing a bus driving over a bridge to be something causing danger to cars going under the bridge. My biggest fear with all these driving assistants is that some day they kill me by panic braking when I have a full sized truck behind me…
@@TommyLGarage I’m debating between Tesla Y and BMW iX1. Tesla has better EV tech. BMW is higher quality and better in “traditional” car things. Let’s see.
As new new MYP owner (2 weeks) really helpful. Come from an Audi Q7 ( and had a Q4 eTron on order, but after 19mths then issues about electric seats I cancelled the order). I love the car, no real negatives, other than what seems to be paper thin pain are lack of puddle lights and or ambient lighting inside the car. The Supercharger network is such a bonus over other manufacturers. The smiles per mile is immense.
You've lost about 7%. Doesn't seem to be that bad as most of the degradation is probably done in the first year than stays pretty flat for a long while. With better battery TLC you probably could have saved a few percent of degradation. At 24K miles my 2019 LR RWD Model 3 still has 312 miles of rated range for about a 4% loss. It was 325 when new. Plus I have about two more years of calendar aging going against me. I've Supercharged the car 37% of the time too. My "secrets" are: 1. Stay between 70-30% SOC as much as possible. 2. I don't tax the battery too much with launches like performance drivers like to do. 3. My car s at 50% or less (down to 30%) between charging sessions.
U can't evaluate degradation by looking at the typical range. It's gonna change all the time as it calibrate and is also based on your driving. Im sure this guy gets most of his "degradation" from the wider tires. A proper way of testing degradation is done in service mode on the screen.
@@Homegaarden I agree with your first statement as how well the BMS is calibrated is the key to accurate range available by the battery. You are incorrect in your second sentence about how driving style impact the range shown. If you are only looking at car's miles available on the main screen and not in the energy graph, that main screen is not showing the miles available (when not set to percentage) like a car with a Guess-O-Meter (GOM) system. This from the Tesla website: Displayed range in your Tesla is adapted based on fixed EPA test data, not your personal driving patterns. It’s natural for this to fluctuate slightly based on how you charge the battery throughout its life and how the onboard computer calculates range. Your Tesla’s actual range depends on many factors, particularly your environment and personal driving habits. The best way to monitor your personal range is with the Energy app, located on your Tesla’s touchscreen. I also run ScanMyTesla since 6k miles which has given me a great look at my battery health over time. It also interesting to see the fluctuations of the BMS, but my stats have stayed pretty flat since year two from 13k miles now to 24k.
Hey Tommy, In 2018 I picked up a new MS for my wife. To date it has 31k miles and she still loves it, to the point where she says she will never own a gas powered vehicle. For the wife its perfect and the minimal maintenance is a huge plus. I agree on the fun and not so fun part of driving an EV but that's why we have 911's. 😁
The regen braking should work fine if you set a scheduled time to depart. The car will warm up the interior of the car to whatever temp you have it set to and it will preheat the battery as well. Regen braking is greatly reduced if you’re charged up to 95% or more
I can't say I like the interior. Not having a standard layout of controls like buttons and switches on a standard car, and that touch screen display which looks like an afterthought add on isn't something I could ever see myself getting used to.
.. Until you drive one... Typical comment from someone who has never driven a Tesla. The touch screen is quite intuitive, you will find every function in just 1 or 2 taps on the screen. The ones you use the most you can drag to the quick access bar, very easy, and no it was not an after thought.. The early Model S cars already have such a big touch screen, awesome for navigation and watching the backup camera (and other cameras)
@@MarcoNierop Well I'm personally allowed to dislike something. As for using cameras well I use my eyes and thought to navigate, something which hasn't ever let me down to date.
@@jamessmyth5949 Of course you may dislike something, but there are countless examples, people like you flipped their opinion 180 degrees after experiencing the car by themselves, many YT videos that show this.
Guess you don't do road trips much, because the main feature I like about a Tesla is the superchargers. They work. Everytime I use CCS to charge my Tesla, I have to hope that one of the dispensers works. There is only one reliable network in USA. Brilliant engineering, low cost per mile driven, supercar fast, lower environmental impact, hardly any maintenance, safest car made, and software that is improved constantly. You're going to miss what you have.
I drove this Tesla to Canada this past summer. Did well but having to stop to charge or maintain it while you’re in a remote village was kind of annoying
Thanks for your personal opinions. 36000 miles and nearly three years on a 2020 YP. I've owned over 30 cars and this is by far the best vehicles I've ever owned. As for Tesla no longer innovative, you could not be more incorrect. We can't have our own facts. Good luck your new Geeley.
I had the same issue with my Model Y. In the beginning they said charging to 90% was fine but the better way is only charging to 80% and staying above 20% . Also on trips that gives you a break every 2-2:30. The cars do need a refresh.
completely agree with everything in your video with the addition of horrible service. After 7 years and 3 teslas I gave the up and got 2 Grand Cherokee 4XE summits
I agree with many of you points (mostly the positive. I have a ‘22 MY LR and find the seats incredibly comfortable but then I’m coming from a ‘11 Grand Cherokee. I’m at 8 months and 14k miles and still love it! One important plus you missed was the charging network. We’ve only had to use it on 4 long trips from NJ but the SuperChargers worked perfectly. Looking forward to our FL road trip in a single day!!
@@TommyLGarage I tried to charge my Y at an Electrify America at a Target. What a debacle!! A friend has a Mach E. Loves it but hates taking it on long trips because of charge network.
On the negative side is service center; if you don’t have any service center near by and they decline to send mobile service you have to do a road trip just for service or repairs. In SC we have to drive all the way to NC or GA; 2 times I requested mobile service they declined.
306 to 284 in the cold weather is actually not that bad. When it warms up it may return close to the 306. The battery will degrade annually as shown by other Tesla owners with over 100,000 miles, and in some cases, fail badly after 140,000 miles but after this little mileage substantial degradation is highly unlikely to impact range greatly. Probably won't have to worry about degradation until year 5 if the battery is not a good one (many are fine, some are not).
I've actually never had my ICE underperform compared to the EPA rating.@@Trensharo If anything, they've always overperformed, especially on the highway. The EPA testing assumes frequent braking and acceleration even for their highway rating, as if assuming that the car will only be used in and around dense metropolitan areas. If you drive in suburban areas then your "city" MPG will be closer to the rated highway MPG, and on open highway with no traffic stoppages you might get twice or more the rated MPG. EVs will have a tendency to underperform though; the faster they go, the more the wires and motors heat up, and the more they heat up the less efficient they get. They have cooling to try and keep things near an optimum temperature, but operating the pumps for the cooling is still a hit to efficiency, and there is some lag before the cooling can take effect when it is needed. On that note, EVs are often not held to the same standards as ICEs. ICEs are put through an actual standardized test, and some manufacturers properly put their EVs through the test, but some companies (such as Tesla) just calculate range based on ideal conditions. If the stars align and everything is _just_ right then you might get a Tesla to actually reach its range estimate, or another EV to exceed its own, but an ICE will exceed its range estimate as long as it isn't stopping and starting every few seconds.
The deal with other electric cars these days is their charging-it's not so great. But when it comes to Tesla, their charging network is just smooth sailing.I think that's likely the big reason why tons of people go for Teslas instead of other electric cars.
I actually just opposite on all your negatives. The fact there are more Model 3’s & Y’s is actually a good thing. And the minimalist design is still great for first my Model 3, then again on my Y. Easy to keep every looking great.
@@TommyLGarage In addition, the more Teslas there are in the wild, the less stupid vandalism will occur (or the current rate will be diluted amongst a larger number of cars!). I think it's funny how many White Teslas you now see on the roads. I bet they probably represent about half of the MY on the roads right now.
I do hear your points about the perceived lack of innovation but I think it can easily be explained if you look at where Tesla R&D has gone with charging infrastructure, energy storage and the 4680 cell format. Those efforts take an enormous amount of time and energy and the end consumer does not really notice it unless you drive around a Nissan LEAF in 2023 and your only hope of getting home is finding a semi functional 50kW EVgo box from 2015. Nice review. Thanks
Your right. If you just look on the outside it looks like Tesla are standing still on innovation. However the reverse is true. Tesla are updating their cars all the time and on the fly. The car you get today will not as good hardware wise as a car coming off the line in 2 months time! The over the air updates also improve the car while you own it. Something we have never seen before.
@@TommyLGarage every manufacturer deals with phantom braking issues. The reason everybody complains about Tesla is because the company has garnered so much attention due to them disrupting the entire auto industry. You complain about the Tesla Model S looking the same over the last 10 years... Look at the Porsche 911.. A car that hasn't changed much since 1964. 🤣 At what point does a car design go from being long in the tooth to being classic? 🤔
Lmao you literally do NOT have to use autopilot do you NO. So you took your FAMILY out of the SAFEST CAR EVER MADE BY HUMANS to put them into something that they have a better chance of dying in. Smart
@Vlasko60 “FSD ISSUES” lmao its called FSD BETA. BETA being the key word it means software in DEVELOPMENT of course it has issues thats the whole point of a beta program. But you have to OPT INTO FSD beta and agree to the terms of service. Therefore FSD is perfectly fine and full of errors as it should be a person DOES not have to use FSD what so ever.
most of the problems you are talking about are non-issues, and none of the software or braking happened to me. Besides the hard suspension, this car is perfect!
Paid $39k for my used model 3. 5 months and 5K miles later I still just go for drives, it's just so much fun to drive. I also love the seats, they are the most comfortable seat in any car I've owned. The suspension is stiff and a bit bouncy stock but you can buy MPP comfort coil overs if you want a softer ride. Agree that the garage door opener should be factory installed but I still like the simple interior. I don't want buttons that add cost or break but it does go a bit too far. For example, I wish it had wiper speed controls on the wiper stalk and the glovebox should have a button or at least one you can drop onto the screen bottom. I do wish I bought a long range AWD but I love driving the car every day, moreso than any past car by a long shot.
Why do you want a button? Simply use the voice commands. Push the left steering wheel button and say "wipers on three", or "wipers on one" or whatever speed you want. It works perfectly. What I don't understand is why didn't they put headlights on voice command.
Trust me, when you try the other competitors , you will always fall back to Tesla. If you aren't happy with the MYP , I suggest trying out the Plaid X (since you have kids). It's Night and day difference! I'm sure you will also love it. It's not just the charging infrastructure that is superior than everyone else. But, it's also the battery in a Tesla that is much more advanced even if you lose some range in the cold. There will be some news on March 1st about some new tech, maybe a new car. I currently drive a Long range 2021 Model Y and am loving every day with it.
Not sure about that... I've done both. You definitely feel better in luxury car. Those creature comforts go a long way. He's spot on as the Tesla being a great appliance.
@@TommyLGarage well yeah why wouldn’t you keep your kids in the safest car possible. Get another gas car with high center of gravity so when you crash and flip you all die. Smart. You really come off as a guy who just wants the next thing. You aren’t going to be happy with an SQ7 either its going to also have a long list of pros and cons. You sad you dont like telsa becuase its not “unique” anymore lmao, yes because there are not 10X more Audi than teslas lmao.
@@TommyLGarage LMAO they JUST became the #1 selling car. There are literally only 3 million teslas. NOT IN THE United States but in the WORLD. 3 mil for the whole world is NOT a lot per road. Next time you drive count teslas, then count Audi SUV do it for a week you know exactly what the conclusion would be WAY MORE AUDI. Do you wan to be a “cool unique guy” or keep your child alive its pretty simple
21k is child’s play. We got over 81K miles in 23 months. 2022 model Y. I don’t have the same complaints as the video does. The range dropped off the first year, but has held steady since. We get about 290 miles on a 100% charge. We live in florida, so the A/C runs full 50 weeks of the year. We have been through a couple hurricanes, and don’t have an issue with it at all. Elon didn’t create Tesla. Tesla was started by a couple guys that EM later forced out. And most of the cars, except the CT, were developed with the assistance of a larger car maker. I drive our Y a lot with several overnight trips. My only real complaint is the recommendations for charging stations. Wawa typically has fast charging stations, however, the system will consistently recommend Bucees whose chargers are 1/2 as fast. I would not be surprised if there was a deal involved in its charging recommendations. The cost savings for this car are enormous. If we bought a Prius instead of a Y, we would would have saved about $2,500 a year on fuel vs electricity. $500 on oil changes. At over 80,000 miles we would be approaching the life span of several parts including the battery. The car payment difference would have been about $200 a month which nearly cancels out the fuel savings, but doesn’t take into consideration the maintenance costs. However, a Prius has no where need the performance. I mean we are over 81,000 miles and she still makes me grin when the light turns green. She is so much fun to drive. One thing the video poster shared was phantom breaking and from viewing the video I would say you need to regularly clean your car. Teslas depend heavily on their sensors and you can’t have dirt, grime, and salt collecting on them. The car needs to be washed. I like our Y a lot, and buy it again. However, there are other EVs I like since the market is getting more competitive.
For the price they are now, its definitely even more worth it than what I bought it for in October. But I have no regrets. The fact I can sleep in the car with the HVAC running while I camp outside my work during breaks is amazing. Even better with all the storage capacity. Don't think I can go back to another car that doesn't have a frunk and under trunk storage. If I could do it again I would've got the MYP over my MYLR. Not sure if the slightly faster acceleration would be worth it but I would think you would feel the difference in acceleration between the two.
I’ve had my Y since September last year and the only thing I don’t like about it is the ride. Otherwise it’s great for family of 4. I would consider getting a 3 as the 2nd car if the price comes down further.
I own the exact Tesla as Tommy. My biggest complaint is the ride quality. I don’t mind a stiffer ride, but the squeaks and rattles annoy me. The doors close very easily, which leads to everyone slamming them shut. Elon lowering the price so much killed my resale value. I agree with all of the positive points, especially the acceleration. Will be severely missed if i change vehicles back to Audi or Lexus.
Tesla still owns its value literally better than any other on the road what are you talking about. Further more the price has only gone back up a few thousand since the price dip. Prices fluctuate welcome to the market
My friend bought a Model Y. I was with him when he backed into a truck. The car didn't have audible warnings that would have prevented the collision. My Lexus UX 250h not only beeped but stopped the car and prevented me from hitting a car while backing up.
I love the look and how the Mach-e GT drives. I didn't fall in love with the Model Y when I drove it but its also nearly 8K cheaper for the performance than the Mach-e GT. In the USA add in the full $7500 tax rebate on the Model Y compared to the GT, the value gap gets close to 12k. The GT starts at 270miles vs 303 miles on the Y performance. The Mach-e only provides the lesser equivalent of full self driving for 3 years before it becomes a subscription. Add in the Ford dealership issues and you have to really love the GT look and small perks to pay 12k+ more for lower mileage and equivalent performance. I don't own a Y and I did look at buying the GT because I love the look. In then end I couldn't justify the price and at the time what really ended it was all the dealer mark ups they tried to force on me. Now that the Y is cheaper it might be worth a little less love of the car looks for equivalent performance and known EV reliability.
I agree on all points. And that’s not even including the Tesla supercharger network. When I bought my Performance3, 4 years ago there were 3 supercharger stations in my area. Now there are 18. I charge every night at home (charge is $9 for a fill up), so I don’t supercharge a lot. But it’s awesome to know they’re out there when I want to road trip. As for the car itself, I don’t think there’s any comparison out there for now. Certainly not the Ford Mach E. I couldn’t care less about ambient lighting, nor for most of the stuff talked about here. And for more money, less range and less performance? It’s a no brainer. I don’t know how they sold the few that they have.
@@cutlassrkt Wasn't really noticeable most of the time. I'm sure you would notice it if your racing but if you just enjoy driving and need the speed boost its rare that you need top power for longer than that. After having the Tesla for over a month now and a couple of long road trips, I will say I'm very happy with the tesla. Overall the current price plus the full incentives make it a significantly better deal. In all honestly I am happy we went with the longer range now over the performance. Once batteries consistently hit over 400+ miles, the extra juice for power will be enjoyable but given the 3+ hour trips we take every few months I am happier with the extra mileage over the performance boost.
Overall good review. I'm 1 year and 50,000 km into our Model 3 and for us the pro's totally outweigh the con's. What you didn't mention that I think is critical are two things. Driving long distance anywhere and in any weather is perfect with Tesla. Our after sales service experience puts to shame all automakers. They came to my house to fix the car. i can get an appointment same or next day. You seem to have money as I do and I like to hold on to mine as much as possible. So saving $8,000 in fuel in 12 months really makes me appreciate the model 3. I had a 997 and I know you're going to think I'm crazy, but I prefer driving my model 3 over the Porsche. I know sacrilege.
I agree 100% with everything said. I'm stuck with my M3P due to recent price drops; otherwise, would offload it. Not getting another Tesla until or if quality improves.
FSD doesn't cause the phantom braking on the highway like autopilot I've heard. You can add all those extra touches relatively inexpensively aftermarket and you should include links in the description. . . Ambient Lighting. Projecting the Tesla symbol on the ground when the door is open. Rear Display Screen for A/C controls.
Every time the battery is empty you have to buy a new one, and they are not cheap. Some Hyundai dealers are charging (pun) AU$60k for a battery on a $55k car !
Tesla batteries last a very long time. You get 120k miles of warranty. Most old Tesla Model S cars from 2014 have lasted 300k miles on their old chemistry batteries. Imagine today! The batteries are super reliable. You can imagine to get 200k-300k+ miles out of a battery.
Most batteries will last beyond the warranty, 10-12 year. Replacement price depends on battery size and availability. A Nissan leaf one can be 6k, a tesla 12k.
Just bought a used model S, the lack of storage, cup holders and cell phone charging is insane. This is my first EV, range anxiety and rapid depletion in the cold weather and mountains of Utah are also incredibly frustrating.
Lack of storage? I drove a model 3 for a year and was very impressed by the amount of storage given the overall frame of the car, and the model S is a bit bigger.
What is the overall comfort level from the suspension and seats? Also, 22 miles per charge decrease seems like a lot to me in just one year. I have never owned any EVs so I have nothing to compare it to. Were you regulating your charges per Tesla recommendations?
People complain too much.....Cabin noise is adequate considering you have full glass ceiling with no overhead insulation and the seats are super adjustable and comfortable after our 24Kfirst year!
If you are coming from a BMW sedan or a bmw MINI cooper you will like the suspension. I personally came from driving both and I prefer the ride to be a bite more rough so I know what the road feels like especially at speed. I found the Tesla to be less harsh than a BMW or MINI.
Good video, I have the exact same car as you, and about the same mileage yours. I don't have those phantom brake problems, knocking wood that you're talking about I drive all hours of the night. Actually I'm more of a night driver. I found that it seems to drive better at night than during the day. I travel from Maryland to North Carolina across the state of North Carolina and back to MD several times. It's been a great experience for me. I love mine I think it's the best car I ever owned. I did sell a mini Cooper s and kept my Toyota Prius that was a mistake. I do wish I would have kept the mini Cooper s as my gas car. I have the full self-driving and I'm in the beta program It's so amazing. And how far along they've come with this since it started out blows my mind. I haven't noticed a big turndown in the battery performance. I'm sure there's been a little but it seems very minimal.. That's an interesting viewpoint though. Like I said I have the performance Y 22 and I received it in December of 21. and have about the same mileage as you within a few hundred miles. Good luck I hope you change your mind!! I have taken some things in from your videos they have been interesting especially the snow ones. I did ask you a few questions about how it would do in the snow and you were spot on I had a great experience in a bunch of snow in the mountains of North Carolina. Thx Tim
@@TommyLGarage Yes it must be cuz I drive at night all hours of the night and mine does great. I've never had a problem with phantom breaking even during the day maybe some light breaking but never any heavy breaking. But at night time it seems to me it does way better. Maybe you need to put a service call in and give it a shot. Like I was saying I just did like a 600 to 800 mile run very little interaction at all and it was on mountain roads a lot of it. At least 80% of that driving was at night.
I haven't had a phantom braking issue in a long time. I have a 2018 Model 3 with 75K miles not a Y but that has been dramatically improved for a long time now. Tesla cars do not have LIDAR at all, never had it. It is all visual now. Even the ultra sound sensors were for close range. The phantom braking was supposedly caused by a conflict between the low resolution radar and the camera's interpretation of what was going on. That is why they turned off and then later removed the radar. It looks like they are going to an internally designed/spec'd high resolution radar system to improve the situation. Oh and I use AP day or night and in fact anytime I am on the freeway for more than a couple of miles.
I'm Car Enthusiasts myself, I would purchase a E.V. just for around town, driving I have never owned one or rode in E.V.. (over air updates I do not care for changes on vehicle I purchased with out my permission). I bought my first SUV 3 years ago a Jeep Cherokee Overland 4x4 I use it for road trips and enjoy it very much. But so many negatives from tire wear issues, to finding charging stations and time takes to charge your car, range drops over time, I live in Michigan very cold here, read online about people getting stranded because of losing charge because of cold weather. Searching for charging stations maybe out of commission. I prefer my I.C.E. powered vehicles put gasoline get low spend maybe 5 minutes filling tank drive off. Maintenance cost on my Jeep is Oil changes $60 every 6 months. Fuel is $35 a week. For (93 octane). I payed $32,000 3 years ago had 10,000 miles on odometer. I like convenience of I.C.E. Vehicles E.V..s just Novelty.
Nice honest review. I agree with you that the innovation for this car has been the same for a long while now and it kind of remind you of an iPhone, it works but it’s the same thing. I’m grateful that Hyuandi and other makers are ramping up EVs because they are forcing the standard. I’m like you in the fact that I like to be unique and since everyone is buying a Tesla, it is no longer a bragging mobile anymore
Good review, about to take delivery of MY shortly so it's nice to get this perspective. I think the upsides far outweigh the downsides. Video quality excellent BTW.
I recently drove my 2023 Model Y LR 3,300 miles from OKC to Shelby, Montana and back. I thoroughly enjoyed the four day trip, except EV supercharger stations are less prevalent out West. As more stations become available, and in better locations, trips will be even easier to plan and undertake.
One thing about a Tesla that stands out is its horrible design. Its a 4 wheeled jelly mould and looks hideous. It is getting old and many manufacturers have exceeded Tesla in build quality design and engineering. If you live in the US, you are very limited to what EV you can buy. Elsewhere, in Europe there are so many better choices. VW, Peugeot, Renault, Then there is the elephant in the room. Chinese EV's. The new BYD and MG4 are streets ahead of Tesla and cost $25K. BYD sold 500,000 more cars than Tesla in 2022 and are just beginning to sell cars in Europe. My current car is a Peugeot e2008, its OK, and its 1st generation, very stylish, an good build quality. My next car is going to be a MG4, its quirky and a very good car. Musk and Tesla overturned the vehicle industry for the better. But Tesla is now overtaken by many manufacturers, with much better build quality. Manufacturing a car brand from scratch is very difficult, and Tesla had teething problems and overcame them very quickly. The best thing about Tesla is its self driving Technology, which it currently is a leader in the field. Its good for big and wide US roads. It will be another 10 years before it is mature enough to work on smaller European roads. Ultimately, it will be Chinese EV's that will outstrip any other EV maker in the future. Last year they sold 10 million EV's...impressive.
Returned my Tesla Y off of a 2 year lease yesterday. Agree with you completely. Love the handling and the acceleration, but that’s about it. Was happy the car was going back. Didn’t replace it with another Tesla.
Our new 2023 Model Y Performance is a little better than our 2019 Model 3 Performance. The fit and finish still leaves a lot to be desired. The quality control is still not there. Maybe the incoming highland will be a level above. I feel as though we let a lot of things go by knowing it is a Tesla. Items that we would not accept if it was Lexus or Mercedes.
@@mocheen4837 If Tesla Shanghai is any indication the refreshed car should be much better. They have 95% automation on the line. But I am not sure that Fremont will get the same treatment. Shanghai rolls out a car every 40 seconds.
Thanks for the vid. I've been in EV stand-by mode for awhile now (partly waiting for the competition to warm up, partly waiting to complete a looming house move) but getting close to the trigger. Teslas of course caught my eye (and everyone's it seems) at their start but now there's a LOT of competition. I went to a local, small EV show yesterday where there was a lot of traffic and interest in Ioniq 5, Kia EV6 and even the Subaru Solterra, VW ID4, the Rivian truck....and not much at all in the Teslas. A sign of the times.
make sure you check out the Tesla (test drive and know the features), then compare to the others before making a choice - there are trade offs - but Teslas on the whole are better
There really isn’t much competition, honestly drive use a Tesla for 300-500 miles and then a ford ev or Kia etc Tesla in the way of EV is the best in comparison. Not perfect by far but def the best out there still. I would like to try a rivian.
In 2019 I was waiting for the better EVs to arrive, kind of like the next Iphone or Samsung until my son said "dad, don't wait". I was already over 70. That was M3 then Tesla announced model Y , took a big loss and traded it back for the Y, never regret. The 95% control function is on the screen is one major complaint.
@@Roberto-lg7jx use voice commands which work perfectly even though i have a heavy accent - in youtube, type "18 voice commands for your Tesla you need to know". At the bottom of the video is a printable version - use it to enjoy your Tesla even more
I got a Y for about 8 months now. I love it, but have to admit, for the price, it should have more standard features, and better noise insulation. Still love it though, and love the minimalist interior.
8 months in a Model Y LR, about 7K miles, and I still love it. No extreme cold in Socal, so I really don’t notice the regen issue too much. I don’t mind the fact the Tesla models are everywhere, but it’s easy to walk up to the wrong car in the parking lot. Phantom braking has happened twice, but only during the day for me. 80% of my driving is on the freeway, especially at night, so I just don’t get much variety of road and lighting conditions. I paid a bit much for the car, but I save a lot on gas which is very high in California. It’s $5/gal and occasionally higher, and it will only get worse, so I save probably $2k per year. No battery degradation, that I’ve noticed, but I don’t use superchargers. I expect to stay with this car for quite a while, though I don’t rule out getting a second when my last gas car conks out.
there's a bit of paradox regarding Tesla, California and charging and gas prices. In my area in NorCal energy is 40 cents/kWh, gas is about $4/gallon at costco. Now yeah if you own a home you can pick a plan where charging a car cost less, but if you're renting and you have no way to switch to plan which offers cheaper charging rate - you're screwed. You're much better off buying a Toyota hybrid unfortunately. Ironically in almost any other state price of electricity is almost 3 times cheaper, sometimes more than 3 times. Which is sad, because those of us who rent in California could really could use some savings that comes with an EV.
The cruise control used to be very good, then a little over a year ago Tesla decided to get rid of millions of lines of coded instructions and move to pure AI. Suddenly, cruise control became unusable, precisely because of the random hard braking you describe. It is now too dangerous to use. 😢 I now refer to AI as "Artificial Idiocy". It's so frustrating. If they could just give us back the old coded system until they get this problem fixed, I 'd be thrilled. Anyway, I hate that Tesla is insisting we deal with their growing pains on this matter, but I do believe that they will eventually fix the problem.
I agree with you tommy. the tech is refreshing when it first launched and being a first adopter 5years ago with the model 3 the excitement is gone like a marriage 😂. I currently have model3 and Y but I see them everywhere like a white washing machine on wheels and the uniqueness is gone. The 300 mile range promises and no cooled seats for the price point. I drank the Tesla koolaide.. now I’m looking for something different!
Some people get bored with any car after a year - this guy is one of them. I buy a carefully selected car and drive it for 10+ years.
Perhaps!
Wow you're so smart 🤓
I'm guilty of that...
@@TommyLGarage honestly you sound a bit like a whiner , the things you complain about are petty, I have own plenty of different car brands and their is always something I am not a fan of because there is no perfect car.
@@vcam-g9hthere is a perfect car and it is the car you drive when you are young and living adventures while growing. Road trips with your friends, back seat with your gf.
Then we grow up and we look for things that aren't good in everything we own instead of enjoying it like when we were young.
Had mine for a year now and it still looks, feels and smells brand new. 30,000 miles on it and still have NOT had to replace anything, not even the wipers. I fall in love with it more and more every day.
Wipers I would replace … :)
No tire issues ❔️ 😳
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@@TommyLGarage I don’t need to just yet but probably soon. Haven’t had to use them very much where I live.
I bate to mine all the time
just wait till you have to sell it or the warranty expires on your battery lol
Regen braking was not reduced via an over the air update. It just got cold outside. In fact, tesla increased regen braking in a cold battery via an over the update where it basically will create heat with the motors when the battery is cold and still provide regen braking when it did not before.
Also, the battery likely didn’t degrade much, the BMS estimate is likely just off due to charging habits
Not a perfect car but it’s very nice :)
You would think after a year of ownership that he would have figured that out on his own. Obviously this is his wife's car, and he says, "she loves it.", so there you go.
@@jayv72 Literally all his complains can boil down to "I got used to driving this in the summer, now its winter."
You saved me typing, this guy does not know what he is talking about. Cold weather and driving habits will show different full charge estimates, NOT degradation. This is why I will NOT watch another video from this channel... hence thumbs down.
They also added an update recently where you can have the physical brakes kick in to compensate for the reduced regen braking either due to colder weather, or if the battery is over 90% charge and can't do much regen.
Totally agree. There are some videos on YT bout ppl using a Model 3 as a Taxi. After 200k+ miles the battery lost 15% of its capacity. An that's the worst scenario benchmark you can imagine
We were told by Tesla not to charge 100% most of the time. We only charge to 90% and after more than 2 years of ownership the batteries have shown no noticeable decline in charge. Phantom braking is a problem although not as bad as it was, but still a headache. Overall we are quite happy with the car. We would never road trip with it, just don’t want the hassle of finding charging stations. For local daily driving it is so nice not having to worry about gas prices. As you stated the acceleration never gets old, ours is a performance Y. When I really want acceleration I hop in the S plaid, that thing makes the Y seem slow. The S is one of the smoothest riding cars out there due to its air suspension, but that performance comes at a cost and the car sits so low that for me it’s difficult to get in and out of so I don’t drive it very often. For most people the Y is a great car, but never buy any EV until you do your research. There are some unique things that you must consider before buying.
I charge to 80% now. Used to be 90
There is no hassle finding Tesla Superchargers. When you use the navigation, the app will show you where they are, tell you how many chargers are available at each location and how long to charge there. If a location is too busy, you may be routed to another one during the trip. Relax and enjoy your trip.
@@Garrison169 it is a hassle, you're stuck to driving the route they nav wants to take. And I guess adding 6hrs to your trip isn't a hassle either. Teslastans are the most annoying twats on the interent.
good video. I have a jag ipace and charge to 60% unless I go on a road trip, then it's 80%. The jags done 60000miles and the battery has degradation of about 7% in 4 years.
@@walterk8602 wow that’s incredible and that’s a good strategy
i got the model Y LR. owned since Jan 2022 and have 50 K miles. my battery loss is very little maybe 10 miles but i also rarely charge to 100% so thats probably helped a good bit. I do agree the wireless chargers do suck. My car does Ghost breaking randomly day and night but sometimes it doesnt happen for weeks. FSD does work much better than the Autopilot program. I would buy another one a highly recommend one to anyone.
After 50k it barely degrades its much faster in the first 50k but it evens out like all batteries
I think there is a setting so you can have the app open in the background to unlock the car.
And there should also be a setting now to simulate regen braking when it's not fully available (of cause depends on your current software version)
I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.
I feel your pain mate, as a fellow retiree, I’d suggest you look into passive index fund investing and learn some more. For me, I had my share of ups and downs when I first started looking for a consistent passive income so I hired an expert advisor for aid, and following her advice, I poured $30k in value stocks and digital assets, Up to 200k so far and pretty sure I'm ready for whatever comes.
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@@BlakeGabriel-23 My advisor is VICTORIA CARMEN SANTAELLA;
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I see cureent owners of model3 making videos like this as Tesla reduced the price of model 3, reducing the market value of used model3.
Current owners are not happy.
1:40 if you want to charge your phone, you should consider buying a phone charger. Car is not a phone charger.
The car literally has a phone charger built into it
If a car has a built-in wireless phone charger it should, I don't know, actually work?
I have owned a Model Y Performance since last October and plan to keep it long term. It is a fantastic around town car. Plenty of storage space for our needs. It is a fun car but also appliance-like too. Not a problem for me as we have other vehicles for fun or utility.
Right on! !
@@TommyLGarage what about a 911. 993 😇
That seems to be the common denominator amongst Tesla people.
I would agree that the feeling I get when entering my M3LR is far from one of luxury and that continues while driving with a rattle here and there. However, I never assumed that luxury was what I was paying for in a Tesla Model 3. I consider it (Tesla) to be the best electric car available for the dollars paid. Acceleration, OTA updates, range, charging infrastructure and an overall feeling of technical excellence overtake the loss of a luxurious feeling.
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I agree with you and I'm thinking of buying a Model Y. My expectations of engineering excellence are met 100%, however with the cost of the vehicle I'd think they'd have added by now different interiors, colors, body improvements and variations...it is disappointing in these aspects but as a consumer, I think I'm going to stick with a vehicle that is top of the line in respect to engineering and function. What out there on the market can compete with that standard, plus have luxury interior/exterior, and price range? BTW...I'll NEVER own another Ford so don't even mention those POS!
The US gov't paid for that charging infrastructure thats so grossly underwhelmed and done so Elon can keep grifting more govt money and keep giving Teslas management like Kirkhorn a $600 million severance package for being a CFO for just 4yrs..........
The gov't should of made Tesla manufacture and install 1 charger per every 3 vehicles manufactured in order to get those carbon credits they profit highly from and install those chargers on or near the interstate near the points of delivery of the vehicles..Theres millions of Teslas made and yet theres less than 30,000 Tesla chargers worldwide and theyre selling their NACS adapters to other car manufacturers then gonna lean on the gov't in grifter mode...
Just think about that a lil too ..Where do you think the money comes from?...Taxpayers and the people who bought a Tesla or an EV that uses a Tesla charger..
Your tax dollars are funding your own charging infrastructure that alot complain about and then you are paying to use those chargers that rely on fossil fuels and pay taxes for the sale while Tesla profits from three ends!
Thats highly irresponsible as a car company in my eye to rely on the gov't to mop up a mess Tesla they themselves created also to mention has plenty of money to fix the issue but refuses to because most of Teslas worth is gonna be sliced and diced by the entire management and noone wants to chance their portions to make customers truly happy.... ....
Your model is afflicted by fraudulent range aswell as has inferior suspension parts...Just look up Whompy Wheels lawsuits...
Then theres the fraudulent statements about Safety with Tesla giving themselves 5.4 stars when theres 5 stars maximum plus the NHTSA had to tell Tesla numerous times not to claim those misleading claims they say are facts...
The NHTSA has over 500 pages on the subject of how Tesla claims fraudulent and misleading claims about its vehicles but Tesla asked them to only display 79 pages and withhold 450 of that report they show online.....LOL
Oh and then theres the crash test manipulation investigation too..
I love when people say theyre happy with buying dollar store goods that were displayed in the Macys window and priced accordingly...LOL
I get that, but the problem is you're paying luxury car prices. Maybe not so much now they have dropped the prices, but I can see their market beginning to slide once the EV novelty wears off as more competition emerges and more and more people realise exactly what it is they are getting, and more importantly, not getting.
I have two Tesla's a 3 and a Y. I am all in on Tesla. I have had the 3 for approx 3 years. I will never own another ICE car, and not becasue of the environment, I just love the driving experience. I agree with a lot of your points, I still have not seen anything that can match the Tesla for price/performance/features/buying experience/dependability.
I drive a Tesla for both the environment and the driving experience. Personally I think his issues were pretty trivial.
I agree
yeah f*ck the environment lol
I will buy an EV for my next car, but I'm not at all interested in Tesla. I think they're fugly and the build quality and interior materials are really bad at the price point.
@@JustMe99999 that's your right! Enjoy whatever car you get.
I gotta say, I agree about %10 of what you said. My wife got a model Y about 2 weeks ago, I’ve driven it 3 time, and there’s no way I can ever go back to a gas car again.
Wait another 6 months. You’re still in your honeymoon phase
"I started dating this cute lady here 2 weeks ago. I don't see myself having another partner in my life."
Be patient.
@@TommyLGarage
I have MYL with FSD BETA(11.4.4) I go to work at 5 pm And come back 10 pm ( retired but work for fun(? Means not really for money). It is so relaxing it is almost therapeutic I love to go to work because I can drive. When my wife asks me to do errands I jump into my car with a big smile. Youth channels are showing only dramatic things(but it exists). Most FSD beta users enjoy the software. I paid 15,000 but I think it is worth every penny as of is now. But Elon will only make it better from here
Just got a model Y a month ago and am with you 150% !
@@TommyLGarage been 3 yrs now your rambling to ramble
Good points. The positive definitely outweigh the negative for me. My wife got one after her 530i was totaled. Many asked for my recommendation and bought Tesla. I spoke to Mach E owner who bought one when someone backed out of a contract. He said the one thing he did not like about the Mach E was the poor charging network when he drives long distance. I believe Tesla is not just an EV but an EV with a whole network of supercharging. The price you pay is part of the supercharging.
Great point. But for those who daily charge at home any electric car will do
@@TommyLGarage From reading all the comments. Definitely a mix bag of opinions. Just like Elon!
agreed, actually just commented the same. holding off on my reservation and 2 chances to order an F150 lightning because of the nonTesla charging network issues
It looks like Tesla may be opening up their charging network to all ev's. That will eliminate the largest advantage that they have over other ev's.
@@gild651 agreed!!
Absolutely love my Model Y. Safety, software, and SuperChargers are just too good to ignore. Incredibly comfortable, best cargo capacity in its class, excellent performance, great range... what's not to like. ;)
Lack of luxury inside is what kills me
@@TommyLGarage LMAO, yet you say Mustang Mach E is more luxury because of some cheap ass ambient lighting that ford installed for $100 bucks. Smh. How about keep your small children safe in the safest vehicle ever made by humans. Your children not being dead is the BEST LUXURY in the world
@@TommyLGarage Being able to avoid gas stations and always leave my garage on a full “tank” is the best luxury of all.
@@esquiredan2702 yes !!!
@@TommyLGarage tesla's software and level of tech is luxury for real
So for you, if Tesla doesn't change the color of the paint they apply, there's "no innovation" ? Have you seen any of Munro Live's analyses of Tesla's continuous design improvements?
how many Tesla stocks does Munro have?
If you regularly go to work at a certain time, the car will be able to automatically precondition the battery 10-15 minutes prior to your normal departure so you should have regen breaking immediately available. If you are topping your phone at 100% all the time, the longevity of the battery maybe compromised , why would a car battery be any different?
True!
I have had a model Y LR for 14 months and I have over 25K miles. I mostly love the car. The phantom braking is really the only thing that would prevent me from buying another Tesla. That has gotten much better with software updates, but it is still an issue that I have my doubts will every be truly resolved. Until CCS charging gets better in the rural area I live in Tesla is really the only option. I do most of my charging at home, but I do road trips nearly once a month and there are far fewer CCS fast chargers along the routes I typically travel.
J I’m guess I’m not crazy after all!!
Is the phantom braking only during autopilot?
The phantom braking events always occurred while using basic autopilot. I should mention that with the latest software Tesla has finally fixed the problem and for the lasts 6 weeks or so I have very rarely experienced phantom braking. I a year and a half of ownership Tesla has provided the car I should have had the day I took delivery.@@cutlassrkt
I have a Model Y LR, and my experience has been good except for the occasional phantom braking issue. Otherwise, it is a fun car to drive even on long trips like a recent one from OKC to Shelby, Montana, and back. I do agree with the earlier writer that more supercharger stations are needed in rural areas as well as Western States. But, resistance to EV's is part of the problem, which eventually will be resolved.
Phantom braking is such a huge problem that we haven’t used Autopilot or Adaptive Cruise for years.
Since you asked, after 3 years I still love my model 3. It handles like a sports car and passes everything in sight - especially gas stations.
That's pretty funny , you pass every gas station because you fill it up every night at home 😄, my conventional car I often go two weeks without even thinking about filling up , then I pull into a servo and spend 5 minutes filling up and don't even think about filling up again for another couple of weeks ,and my conventional car has the same range it had 6 years ago when it came off the production line , and probably will have in another 6 years.
In 3 years what is the state of the battery? That’s the main concern about buying a Tesla
That’s funny every time I pass a Super Charging station, I laugh at the people wasting their time charging.
@@mikldude9376 Your comment is funny too, times are changing. perhaps you already have a smartphone? is it electric or diesel powerd? electric, ok, lucky guy! so you are taking it once a week to the shop in the mall to fill it up? no? because its not convenient? you charge it at home? but this takes hours!!! oh you charge over night, so charging time doesnt matter, how clever!
@@mikldude9376 the only thing is every time I go fill the car up I'm worried about the price lol, shit's expensive af for even half the tank like somewhere around 50$ in Germany, would rather spend the money on some coffee n have it while I charge, much more chill but yea depends if ur always in some sort of hurry.
The wider tires have absolutely affected your range. I don’t believe your battery has degraded that much. The cars computer algorithm adjusts the range as you drive over time and with the wider tires there is absolutely no way the range has not been negatively affected.
No, it’s actually a well known fact that Tesla batteries degrade way faster than you’d expect. After about 7 years the battery would fail. And that’s with very economical driving such as no hard acceleration, ever.
@@SeamusOR Bs. I own two. My 2015 model with over 130k miles still charges to 225miles.
@@SeamusOR it's a 'well-exaggerated trope' that Tesla batteries degrade faster, but it's not way faster and not actually a fact. just an internet urban legend. there are more examples of the Tesla battery packs NOT degrading much as there are some that DO degrade more than expected. BUT ALL ARE STATISTICALLY CONSISTENT. TESLA BATTERY PACKS ARE VERY GOOD.
I’ve lost 40km of range out of 488km on my MYP in 18 months and 32k kms driven, stock tires.
@@SeamusORbull dung dude stop with your lies.
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Nobody knows anything; You need to create your process, manage risk, and stick to the plan, through thick or thin, While also continuously learning from mistakes and improving.
@@MattheoPuiu True, initially I wasn't quite impressed with my gains, as opposed to my previous performances, I was doing so badly, that I figured I needed to diversify into better assets, I touched base with a portfolio advisor, and that same year, I pulled a net gain of 550k...that's like 7times more than I average on my own.
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7 months in my model 3, I have to say 0 issues, I think the only problem is the cameras seem to get blinded easily that's it, other then that it's been an excellent car!!
@Ro Herms I’ve heard Mazda has that issue. I wonder what’s the problem that everyone can’t fix.
I’m excited for my model y to be coming in. Wouldn’t have considered if it wasn’t for the reduction in price
Definitely a great deal!
but girls hated tesla cars though
@@jake9854 ???
I’ve had my x for almost 5 years, just got a y. For me it has everything I need and enough acceleration. Drive around 50-60k a year and no other car has been as good for that much driving besides maybe my older Toyota.
Battery degradation?
@@TommyLGarage around 8-10 percent. I charge a crap ton though so average is usually much less
ive had my model y for a year and a half and I drive this car like no other. 35 thousand miles per year. I fricken love my car, my only complaint is the stiff suspension for the performance model so I opt for 18" wheels and a bigger tire for more cushion, it's OK now. The car saves me $300 PER MONTH on gas. So I dont see it as a luxury option but a survivability option with a hint of luxury. I dont regret my decision
Wow that’s a lot of miles!
Do you charge your car to close to 100% every night? That might explain your lack of regen in the morning, and the relatively high range loss after just a year. I've had my M3LR for 4 years and have had similar range loss, although doing a couple of deep discharge cycles might bring it back up a bit. Not concerned because the most meaningful range is not 300 miles but the distance to the next Supercharger on a road trip. Anyway, I'm taking delivery of this same blue car but with white seats in a week, and wouldn't get any other brand until competing charging networks get their shit together. The way things are going with EA that may take a while yet.
I have had the same car, with white seats, for almost 2 months and the things you don't like are the things I like best. I simply turn off the automatic high lights. Only the suspension is too low. If we could install air suspension in Tesla, it would be perfect. It exists, but we would lose the warranty if we did. The cameras are very low quality. But I am totally in love with the car.
I have had a model 3 (RWD LFP) for 13 months (and 16K kms) and still love it. Its a great handling car for our windy roads here in NZ. By far the biggest negative for me is the phantom braking - when you get a full on emergency brake then it certainly gives you and your passengers a big fright (not to mention the risk from cars following closely)! This problem is not unique to Tesla (or EVs for that matter) but they certainly need to improve it. On other big positives I find the frequent software updates are fantastic and the car is much better than when I first got it (many quirks fixed and useful new features added). Also the Tesla Supercharger network is a big plus - my experience here in NZ is that they always have bays available, they charge quickly and they always work with a minimum of fuss (definitely not always the case with other public chargers as I have found here - e.g. in one town there were 2 separate public chargers and both were broken!). I'm not sure a Mach E would work well for me, personally, as our public charging infrastructure (coupled with a higher energy consumption of the Mach E) would be frustrating on longer trips. In any case its a bigger car than we need now. So for me the Tesla positives greatly out weigh the negatives but everyone is going to have their own needs and its a matter of weighing up what you need.
Tesla are very specific about how often to clean the cameras. I wonder could a slightly dirty front cameras could be the main reason for phantom braking. To be honest, in my 10K kilometers with it, my Model Y only once did that. As for the chances of being hit from behind by another car, well for that they teach us to keep safe distance in according to the speed we are driving with. The irony is that we bought the Tesla, because a week earlier another BMW M5 stopped in the rear of ours. The damage was not huge, but since I have to drive our son to school on a daily basis, it became clear to us that we need a second car.
You're out of you're mind if you like your EV.
@@markmiller8903 Well in that case I can tell you its great thing to be out of your mind!
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Sorry but Phantom breaking is something that is pretty unique to only Teslas. Tesla are definitely trash.
Interesting video. Just bought a Model Y Performance last week (12/23) for about $8k less than last year’s price (including an extra $1k off for being a Cybertruck reservation holder) and did a road trip to Las Vegas. Easy to find superchargers and we watched Netflix on the Tesla screen while charging, fun! A lot to learn about the controls but I’m learning.
You lucked out !
I can’t stand being at a gas station for more than a few minutes. I’ve been to a grocery store, gone shopping and the same people are still at the Tesla Superchargers as I’m walking back out.
Netflix on a small fixed screen?! I like my iPad Pro 12.9 or just getting to my hotel room a lot faster.
We have had our model three for four years now and still love it. But we also don’t drive like you nor are we enthusiasts. What we have saved in gas and maintenance is really incredible(approximately $500 in our time of ownership). I can’t imagine ever returning to ICE cars. Thanks
We own a 2018 M3LR and never had a problem. Long trips are easy with the supercharging network and nav. Bought a MX Plaid and it is beyond amazing. Live in Long Island, NY where FSD can be challenging, yet works well in both cars. Travel to NYC often. Will not wish to drive any other vehicle.
Is that a typing mistake. Saving $500 over 4 years is $125 /yr or $10 months. Does not seem to be worth it.
@@raymondallo9947 Hello Raymond. $500 is our total maintenance cost over the 4 years(all maintenance and $325 of that was for a replacement tire). Gas savings is around $7500-$10,000 over that same time. We keep a running total with current prices. We get 1200-1500 miles for about $32 a month of extra electric charges. Hope that provides a better answer. also, over that time, our electricity increase has only been $4 per month. Can't do that with gas!
@@kennethburke3592 Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. How is your charge holding up. Same problem as Tommy that mileage drops what you get out of your batteries?
@@raymondallo9947 I am glad it helped and I thank you for pointing out my mistake. As to battery degradation, It was about 8-10% after the first years and then stabilized and is virtually unchanged for the last three years. One other note, with a software upgrade, we got about 5% of the loss back in the third year. All and all, we are happy with where we are
An 8% loss of range over the first year of ownership is actually really good not bad. Regen has always been limited when the ambient temp is low, plus you can enable friction brake one pedal driving. Teslas do have interior cabin ambient lighting.
They just need to turn it on in Control/Lights.
Especially when depreciation is more like 10-15 %
8% loss of range in one year is not bad? Seriously? At that rate, it will only have 60% range after five years and 20% after 10. That's not "really good". Sounds like you approve of dramatic planned obsolescence in your cars.
@@4thdistrict476 You don't understand lithium batteries. The degradation is not linear. The degradation is high in the first year or so of use. Then it is almost but not quite zero for an extended period of time. Then at some point in the future it returns but at a highly accelerated rate. The period of time between is the unknown. It depends on how well you take care of your battery. Charge it to 100% and let it stay there or drop it to near zero without recharging and the period of time is shorter. Over heat it or expose it to very low temperatures and the period will be shorter.
Under normal conditions with reasonable care taken it should be 10 to 15 years, more or less.
@@bryanwhitton1784 - thanks for the information. Studies I have seen for the battery technology used in my own EV (not a Tesla) provide graphs that indicate the battery life stays quite stable for the first five years and then begins a slow deterioration to about 15% loss after about 10 years or so, depending on how it is charged. Not being a Tesla battery it may behave differently than the battery technology in those cars.
I learned a couple of things in this 1. It's generally an alright car but much of that goodness seems to come from the charging network. I've never seen a charging station here or maybe just didn't notice one. The centre is only about 20 minutes away tho. 2. A lot of people don't know the difference in spelling breaking (as in breaking something) and braking (slowing a car).
So many people make that mistake, I think some of them might be idiots.
@@notdan995 That is not fair! One should take these reports of a phantom credibly. Especially a phantom that is breaking things. Lock up those Hummel figurines, that’s my advice.
Autocorrect for the Braking comment dude...easily done.
The Tesla charging network will be open to everyone....Tesla will not have a choice. Also, like the Iphone lightning connector getting changed to USB-C, the same will happen to the Tesla chargers.
They will be forced to fit a common charging connector across ALL charging stations, Tesla, or 3rd party.
It is better for the consumer and better for the environment.
@@bricktop7803 Europe leads the way, here. 👍
Yes the only significant advantage Tesla had was it’s charging network, but musk squandered that by opening up the network to a big number of other cars.
We’ve owned our model Y since October 2022 and have enjoyed the car very much. Its acceleration, the drive, the look, the screen, and all of its features, are all fantastic. The negatives are the life of the tires, there was a funny smell coming out of the filter that we had to change, and the severe depreciation of the car since they keep dropping the prices since we purchased the car. At the new prices, I would definitely buy another one, roughly around 20 K less for the same exact model and features
Would you buy one again?
Yes, at new price point of about $20k less.
Good video! I have to admit I am a Model X fan and have driven the car 22,000 miles in a little over five years. The longest trip being over 600 miles round trip about three/four times a year. Covid kept me home bound, so mileage is low. I think this size is huge, in answer to all of you who have space issues. I did buy a new 'alternate' battery, and four new tires recently, plus sprung for another five years of warranty. I am 84 years young and loving the speed I use when getting onto the highway here in the Bay Area. I can avoid everyone!!
The emergency breaking can be turned down or off. Mine is on medium and the breaking is not aggressive. On a 850 mile 14 hour trip, I think it breaked twice like 70 to 50mph then resumed 70. For when the car isn't using regen there is a new option to use the real break so you can simulate one pedal driving (this could have been part of the last update). There is an option for ambient light, it keeps the floor lights on while driving and they are not too bright.
But I’d like to keep emergency braking non as a safety feature.
Does anyone think that driving without using the break means you may lose some speed of reaction for emergencies? Ir does that just not happen? I park cars for a living and get to drive everything. but I don’t get to drive them very far. I always wonder.
LOL, he said. "breaking!"
If you think it is OK that the car ONLY breaks twice out of nothing, I am not sure were your priorities are. It should NOT just break out of nothing EVER, period.
@@gloofisearch Lol, your mom never told you the difference between brake and break??
That phantom breaking is scary: hopefully, a software update will fix that. The roofline shape I assume has a lot to do with aerodynamic drag reduction so it depends on what tradeoff you are willing to make. While I can see the aesthetic reason for hiding the hitch, you would think the smart engineers at Tesla would come up with a better way to install a safety pin even if it means a custom solution.
Phantom braking has been a known issue for the last few years and does keep improving with every update. While you can get it with a tow hitch (I got one on my MY) I do not recommend buying a Tesla if you do a lot of towing, (I have a F150 for that). The rest is all nitpicking really & if his wife likes the car then that's all that matters. 🙂
Phantom breaking sounds more than just a patch that needs to be fixed, sounds like a deathwish waiting to happen.
I'll probably end up buying a Model Y in the next 2 months or so, but I've already concluded I won't be using auto pilot. Honestly, unless I'm doing a long road trip, I never use autopilot in any of the cars I drive.
With that said, however, clearly phantom breaking is unacceptable. I also feel it's something Tesla won't be able to fix. I might be wrong, but it seems the problem is due to them removing the radars in favor or cameras and if I had to guess, there's no way to not have the cameras occasionally get fooled. You need both cameras and radar. But I get it, it's hard to add all of these features and keep the price reasonable. We're just finding out that GM loses $9k with every Chevy Bolt they sell.
Even in the day I find it way too sensitive. If you are trying to pass a push bike it won't do it. If there is a crossroads ahead of you, and a car goes aross from one side to the other, it will brake like 2 seconds after the car has already crossed all the way over, even when it's like 200 yards away. The other time is when someone is wating at a T junction it will brake even if they aren't moving.
That being said I've just learned to turn off cruise control when those situations arise. Cruise control is no excuse for not paying attention, but it does make me all the more sceptical about full self driving arriving any time soon.
The bigger pain is the lane departure system that tries to yank the wheel at random times when I don't want it to. It wants you to drive in the middle of the lane, but if there is a truck on one side and nothing on the other then I want to be as far over as I can, but the car wants to violently steer me towards the truck that is snaking back and forth in it's lane... I know you can turn it off but it resets every journey and I don't always remember.
@@TygerByte if phantom breaking causes death, it's because someone was tailgating you very closely illegally like a total asshole. Assholery on wheels causes death, not phantom breaking.
I have a 22 Y LR and honestly, I like it a lot. Didn't buy it as a luxury car despite the price tag. Great daily driver it is.
Good choice!
There’s a setting to handle the “inconsistent feeling” with regen braking not being available yet.
And people confuse “battery degradation” with the car adjusting the range based on driving habits. For instance, mostly on the highway at 75+, your range goes down. Heavy foot, your range goes down. Even though your battery may be able to hold exactly the same charge.
I thought the phantom braking issue was pretty much handled now, no? Either way, the fact that this was happening to so many people is 100% unacceptable.
So the degradation is 100% real since I drive most of the time. It got a lot worse and I never ever get close to 300 now. Actual range is close to 200.
@@TommyLGarage - bummer. Since that’s the case, you should put in a warranty claim. I believe your battery is warranted to retain 70% (not degrade more than 30%) for 120k miles. Service should be able to take it for a couple days, fully drain the battery, then fully charge it and see how much goes into the pack (vs wasted). If it’s degraded that much, they’ll replace it for free.
@@SMWTheBar good idea thank you. And it’s already been replaced once before
@@TommyLGarage - 😳 daaaaaamn. That sucks.
You just select mechanical braking mixed into the regen when needed in software, creates the same feel when lifting. In brakes and steering control menu, enable mechanical braking when regen reduced. 11 months in and I would never consider a non Tesla EV, I travel upstate NY to Boston regularly, The charging infrastructure (non Tesla) is not reliable enough. The networks are not online and you do not know if the charger will be working or occupied when you arrive. Supercharging is the huge deal breaker for me, I have never been skunked.
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I tried it. Not the same feel
There's a setting for using brakes to simulate regen braking when your battery is a 100 percent or for some other reason it cannot regen. It works very well and can't really tell the difference. In fact it was turned on by default in my model 3, I don't remember turning it on.
Unless you live at the top of a mountain I don't see how the battery could be charged to 100% when braking is required. Perhaps I am missing something.
@@frankeggers4024 What if you live and charge at the top of a steep hill?
@@frankeggers4024 Theoretically you are correct at least according to the first and second law of thermodynamics. However there are safety mechanisms on the battery itself not to fully regenerate near 100 percent. When I first pull out of my driveway it's basically full so no regen braking is done. Get down the road a few miles and it starts regening. There's also no regen in very cold environments until the battery warms up. The battery won't charge until 0c or 32f
@@Ryan-ff2db So far I have charged only up to 80% which is more than sufficient for me since I so rarely leave the metropolitan area. However, if I ever need to take a long trip I may charge to 100%. As for cold weather, here in the desert the temperature very rarely drops to 40F. But based on what you have written, I can see how it is possible for regenerative braking to be disabled sometimes.
@@frankeggers4024 Yeah, realistically its not issue if that setting is turned on. I have an LFP battery, so Tesla recommends charging to 100 percent at least once a week. I just went down to Costco which is about 5 miles away. I didn't really check the regen on the way there but it was definitely regen charging on the way back at 98 percent or so.
5:46 You can't measure battery degradation by the miles it shows you can get, that is affected by far too many other factors, like driving style, and temporature.
You are right. But on average, I did see a drop.
I look forward to your comments on your next non-Tesla EV after 12 months of driving.
Thoughts on the Rivian?
I suspect it will be more trashed than this Tesla review.
Good points - I’m not a Tesla owner, partly because I am tired of seeing the same body style everywhere, and appreciate all kinds of interior features as opposed to the minimalist interior.
“Appliance” seems an appropriate description, eliminating the individuality that car enthusiasts and most people want.
Well said.
So you want to drive around in a less save car because of looks.
When I first bought my Tesla, I thought like you do about the interior. I have owned a lot of cars and it was very different. Fast forward a couple of years and I love the look. I don't like getting in another car a looking at all the junk cluttering up my view. I would like some custom lighting in the cab, but you can always do that aftermarket.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 Start using your brain, many people will, and you missed the word “partly”.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 What is "a less save car?"
Everytime I want to get rid of my Y, i realize that nothing else really compares. Once you get used to the tech and absolute simplicity and ease of use, you get into something from any other luxury manufacturer and you are left wanting. Especially when it's electric.
That’s a good point indeed
Absolutely 100% !!
"Nothing else really compares" is not an inherently good thing. Nothing else really compares to a Nissan CVT, for example.
*I still love my 2021 Tesla Model-3, after 2 years. Never get tired of driving it. Plus we own 900 shares of TSLA Stock.*
Time to retire.
Would your battery degradation/reduced range be due to the change in tires? Wider tires might cause more weight and drag? Just a thought 🤔
Good point. And likely a change in rolling resistance too.
Thank you for the useful review. I own a Chevy Volt right now bc I have always tried to spend the least amount possible on cars. We can afford more, but it’s kind of a mantra of mine to spend as little as possible. That said, I am most likely going to buy the model Y in a year or two. I like the idea of this car bc of: 1. No gas 2. AWD, 3. Storage space, and 4. low maintenance costs. I appreciate the information you provided
Buy a corolla hybrid!
@@brunoheggli2888omg, NO!
My model 3 recently received the true FSD beta. While it isn't all that reliable just yet, I do have to admit it is a vast improvement over the previous version. Lane changes are very smooth now as is braking and acceleration from and to traffic lights. Many instances of phantom breaking no longer occur. While its far from perfect it is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. I have my gripes about Tesla's build quality, software glitches, issues with my phone key almost never working when my hands are full, ect., but if you are looking for an electric option, just the charging network alone puts the brand far ahead of the competition.
I also received the beta 11. Absolutely insane how good it is. Most days I don't drive and just ket ir go from point A to point B.
"Far ahead of the competition", you actually mean light years behind the BMW iX.
@@nomayor1 Yes, you are right that Tesla Y is light years behind the BMW iX.. in price. It is double the money. That is just base price. That grill is hideous too. The self driving features are better in the Tesla because BMW only has a highway driving. BMW is expensive for everything. Tesla is trying to have more mass market adoption and is continuing to innovate. The gigacastings are nothing short of revolutionary and others will be following suit soon. They got the electric revolution started and they should be praised for that. Musk has become distracted with other things, none of which are successful as Tesla. The hyperloop nothing short of stupid and dismissed a hundred years ago as impractical. Their solar panels are nothing special.. etc.
@@nomayor1 LOL German garbage
@@wylieecoyoteI wasn't going to mention it, but the number of fatal accidents related to tesla's "auto-pilot", are a unique phenomenon in the industry. All that tesla has to say is that their "auto-pilot" system shouldn't actually be treated like so and people should be alert and ready to take control at any moment. That's how much they trust their own system. And yet, they continue to market this system as "auto-pilot", which is what people hear and, of course, assume (and get killed later).
Since you think that the "gigacastings" (which were purely intended to cut costs - for tesla) were somewhat innovative, watch here on youtube a video titled: "Autoline network Tearing Down the Model T of Our Time - Autoline After Hours 284". Just so that you get a picture what BMW was doing, more than ten years ago.
And let me tell you a couple of other things about your "tesla":
-Tesla only survived because it was a child of the NYSE. Years upon years upon years went by with tesla reporting millions of damages, and yet the NYSE and US media kept the narative going, and kept new investor money flowing in, just to save the money of the previous investors. Just dare to say that this isn't what happened. It is possible to describe tesla as the biggest ponzi scheme in the whole automotive history. BMW was, and remains during their extremely carefully managed gradual move to electric cars, a perfectly p-r-o-f-i-t-a-b-l-e company. Plus, they are looking beyond BEVs, with their hydrogen power plans. And that, is not a theory anymore, the European Clean Hydrogen Alliance was set up in July 2020 to support the large-scale deployment of clean hydrogen technologies by 2030. This, among others, will mean the creation of a Hydrogen distribution network.
-Tesla, through musk himself, had the unimaginable audacity to state: "We will coup anyone we want, anywhere we want, deal with it". He was referring of course to the coup in Bolivia, in order to take control of the country's lithium reserves. That's the ethos of tesla. BMW uses no rare-earth metals, it has full control of their supply chain and of the environmental impact of the very processes that the raw materials they use are extracted, since 2020 *All* BMW factories use exclusively renewable energy and right now, some models like the i4 use interior which is made by 60% not only from recyclable, but *Recycled* plastics.
The only thing tesla can do from now own, which they have started already, is reduce their prices. That's the only thing they will be able to compete with the Germans now.
Bullish or bearish, AI stocks will still dominate 2024, even beyond. Why I prefer NVIDIA is that they are better placed to maintain long-term growth potential, and provide a platform for other AI companies. I know someone who has made more than 200% from NVIDIA. I'll also take these other recommendations you made.
I agree, just because the market presents opportunities doesn't mean we should rush in headfirst. For this reason, we should look for appropriate market analysis or guidance or seek advice from certified market strategists.
@@JacobReynolds-t7v I agree with you. As an early investor in NVDA, AVGO, ANSS, and LRCX, my financial advisor's advice was incredibly helpful. Over the past seven years, she has helped me find stocks that have performed 10x multiple times. With her help, I've grown my portfolio to over a million dollars.
@@FarukStingl Can you share details of your advisor? I want to invest my increased cash flow in stocks and alternative assets to achieve financial goals.
@@HopesKruses The beauty of MARGARET MOLLI ALVEY approach is her dual focus: while aggressively pursuing profit opportunities, she's equally tenacious about shielding investors from potential pitfalls. It's a balance few can achieve.
@@FarukStingl I appreciate this. After curiously searching her name online and reviewing her credentials, I'm quite impressed. I've contacted her as I could use all the help I can get.
I got my car within a few weeks of yours (next week will be a year), same config. Starting watching your channel because you got the car when i did.
Anyway, agree with your pros and my comments to your cons: Regen braking has always been limited in cold weather. they improved this with the option to turn on auto apply brakes, so you can drive it the same way no matter if its cold or warm.
Agree on the wheels, i actually only kept the Uberturbines on for a couple months, switched to aftermarket 19's with crossclimate2's on them.
I only have just over 10k miles on mine but i never got over 300 mi indicated, even when charged to 100% which I've only done a few times, now its winter it shows less though. I don't pay attention to the miles tho, just %.
Agree the hitch is kinda annoying to use, you basically have to lay on the ground to hook up a trailer.
I refused to pay $350 for a $10 garage door opener, yes it should be included...
yes there are more Model Y's out there but it definitely isnt a toyota appliance. Your comment of 'it never gets old' (its performance) is the opposite of an appliance car.
Interior lighting on the car does suck, but many new cars are doing that, they don't light up the interior, they put dim LED spotlights only on the certain area of your seat, its not just the model Y.
I still like mine, I've actually got 2 chances to order the F150 Lighting (I'm a reservation holder) and am holding off because of the limitations on the non Tesla charging network. mostly Non-Tesla charger reliability and availability.
Great feedback. I guess looking back it is still a decent value proposition. Maybe as I’ve gotten older I expect more luxury…
@@TommyLGarage yes, I think Tesla's luxury is in the features and software vs the 'stuff' on the interior. Like they don't have the wow factor of bmw or MB, but they do have the over the top performance and options on screen. Its like Teslas have been called luxury because the industry doesn't really know what to call advanced and never seen before quirks of the cars.
@@phtofl My wife and I traded our Mercedes SLK-250 for a new 2023 Model Y just last Wednesday. I don't miss all the buttons in the SLK if that is what luxury is all about. We actually prefer the minimalist interior as less is more for us. The new 2023 Y's have Ambient lighting if that is what luxury is all about. We have a 2013 Ford Explorer that we're debating on getting rid of except it has 7 person seating and our Y is only the 5-seat model. Lots to consider when you move to a Tesla, but I'm not wanting a lot more luxury. It's fine enough for us. Just my 2c.
@@TommyLGarage Show me once where Tesla markets its cars as luxury. Not in any website or document. They call them premium. You call it a luxury car not Tesla.
all good points. One thing that's helpful in the last couple of updates is the option to combine regen and the brakes together for when the regen is weak due to battery charge being too high. One that i found annoying at first and totally used to now is auto shutoff turn signals when the vehicle detects the lane change.
I tried combining brakes with regen but didn’t like the feeling honestly.
You can turn off auto turn signal turnoff
@@TommyLGarage If the cause is a 100% charged battery why not just charge it to 95%?
@@js32257 Not only that. In colder weather (even in Cali where I live at around 65F) regen is not fully available for a long time. Sometimes, it becomes available all the way, but then after more driving, some of the dots on the bar appear again to indicate less of regen. in short, it is just a weird way Tesla manages it. Perhaps, it monitors battery SOC and temperature. But, it could be annoying sometimes.
@@cobrachannel100 I don’t own a Tesla but I wouldn’t call the behavior weird. They are focusing on battery health. You don’t want to charge an already charged or “cold” battery. I see both sides, though. The problem I have is that disabling regen braking changes the feel of how the car drives and that is not safe. The only solution I see is an always warmed small auxiliary battery to take the charge when the main battery is cold or already fully charged but…who wants to pay for that?
I'm with you that the EX90 and the MME are better built and more appealing cars. I wasn't considering the Model Y at all before the $13,000 price cut that made it eligible for the $7,500 tax credit, now I am expecting my Model Y order to come in within two weeks.
Same here. Price drop pulled me in. MY on 03 March.
It’s amazing how quickly they come in now. No more waiting 6 months
You will love the OTA updates, screen OS, the mobile app and SC network. That's the type of luxury you get with Tesla. Don't expect MB-type massage seats lol. You have to pay 20k more for a comparable MB or BMW. Congrats and smart choice!
The morning regen braking and phantom breaking point are good ones. On the whole, I think the good points are more substantive than the bad points. I'm wondering how alternatives stand up.
What color did you get?
I just had a test drive with Model Y. During maybe 80km I experienced once Autopilot (i.e. cruise control) confusing a bus driving over a bridge to be something causing danger to cars going under the bridge. My biggest fear with all these driving assistants is that some day they kill me by panic braking when I have a full sized truck behind me…
Did you end up buying it ?
@@TommyLGarage I’m debating between Tesla Y and BMW iX1. Tesla has better EV tech. BMW is higher quality and better in “traditional” car things. Let’s see.
As new new MYP owner (2 weeks) really helpful. Come from an Audi Q7 ( and had a Q4 eTron on order, but after 19mths then issues about electric seats I cancelled the order). I love the car, no real negatives, other than what seems to be paper thin pain are lack of puddle lights and or ambient lighting inside the car. The Supercharger network is such a bonus over other manufacturers. The smiles per mile is immense.
Ambient lighting is on the menu. But it's just the foot lights and door lights. But it's there.
Want the guy (or girl) above me said. There are ambient lights. I turned them on inc di got the car and never turned them off
The supercharger network isn't really an advantage anymore as they're opening it to other makes of EVs.
@@JustMe99999 it costs more to use if you're not driving a tesla
You've lost about 7%. Doesn't seem to be that bad as most of the degradation is probably done in the first year than stays pretty flat for a long while. With better battery TLC you probably could have saved a few percent of degradation. At 24K miles my 2019 LR RWD Model 3 still has 312 miles of rated range for about a 4% loss. It was 325 when new. Plus I have about two more years of calendar aging going against me. I've Supercharged the car 37% of the time too. My "secrets" are: 1. Stay between 70-30% SOC as much as possible. 2. I don't tax the battery too much with launches like performance drivers like to do. 3. My car s at 50% or less (down to 30%) between charging sessions.
U can't evaluate degradation by looking at the typical range. It's gonna change all the time as it calibrate and is also based on your driving. Im sure this guy gets most of his "degradation" from the wider tires. A proper way of testing degradation is done in service mode on the screen.
@@Homegaarden I agree with your first statement as how well the BMS is calibrated is the key to accurate range available by the battery. You are incorrect in your second sentence about how driving style impact the range shown. If you are only looking at car's miles available on the main screen and not in the energy graph, that main screen is not showing the miles available (when not set to percentage) like a car with a Guess-O-Meter (GOM) system. This from the Tesla website:
Displayed range in your Tesla is adapted based on fixed EPA test data, not your personal driving patterns. It’s natural for this to fluctuate slightly based on how you charge the battery throughout its life and how the onboard computer calculates range.
Your Tesla’s actual range depends on many factors, particularly your environment and personal driving habits. The best way to monitor your personal range is with the Energy app, located on your Tesla’s touchscreen.
I also run ScanMyTesla since 6k miles which has given me a great look at my battery health over time. It also interesting to see the fluctuations of the BMS, but my stats have stayed pretty flat since year two from 13k miles now to 24k.
Hey Tommy, In 2018 I picked up a new MS for my wife. To date it has 31k miles and she still loves it, to the point where she says she will never own a gas powered vehicle. For the wife its perfect and the minimal maintenance is a huge plus. I agree on the fun and not so fun part of driving an EV but that's why we have 911's. 😁
Good point! It is indeed a great daily
The regen braking should work fine if you set a scheduled time to depart. The car will warm up the interior of the car to whatever temp you have it set to and it will preheat the battery as well.
Regen braking is greatly reduced if you’re charged up to 95% or more
Now this is an excellent advice. Thanks!
I can't say I like the interior. Not having a standard layout of controls like buttons and switches on a standard car, and that touch screen display which looks like an afterthought add on isn't something I could ever see myself getting used to.
.. Until you drive one... Typical comment from someone who has never driven a Tesla.
The touch screen is quite intuitive, you will find every function in just 1 or 2 taps on the screen. The ones you use the most you can drag to the quick access bar, very easy, and no it was not an after thought.. The early Model S cars already have such a big touch screen, awesome for navigation and watching the backup camera (and other cameras)
@@MarcoNierop Well I'm personally allowed to dislike something. As for using cameras well I use my eyes and thought to navigate, something which hasn't ever let me down to date.
@@jamessmyth5949 Of course you may dislike something, but there are countless examples, people like you flipped their opinion 180 degrees after experiencing the car by themselves, many YT videos that show this.
Guess you don't do road trips much, because the main feature I like about a Tesla is the superchargers. They work. Everytime I use CCS to charge my Tesla, I have to hope that one of the dispensers works. There is only one reliable network in USA. Brilliant engineering, low cost per mile driven, supercar fast, lower environmental impact, hardly any maintenance, safest car made, and software that is improved constantly. You're going to miss what you have.
I drove this Tesla to Canada this past summer. Did well but having to stop to charge or maintain it while you’re in a remote village was kind of annoying
Looks like the 500 miles cybertruck maybe something that would make your annoyance less annoying.
Thanks for your personal opinions. 36000 miles and nearly three years on a 2020 YP. I've owned over 30 cars and this is by far the best vehicles I've ever owned. As for Tesla no longer innovative, you could not be more incorrect. We can't have our own facts. Good luck your new Geeley.
Same!!! This guy is just a queen....
How do you know it's not the wider tires you put on it, that have reduced the range?
Because it just happened recently
I had the same issue with my Model Y. In the beginning they said charging to 90% was fine but the better way is only charging to 80% and staying above 20% . Also on trips that gives you a break every 2-2:30. The cars do need a refresh.
completely agree with everything in your video with the addition of horrible service. After 7 years and 3 teslas I gave the up and got 2 Grand Cherokee 4XE summits
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I agree with many of you points (mostly the positive. I have a ‘22 MY LR and find the seats incredibly comfortable but then I’m coming from a ‘11 Grand Cherokee. I’m at 8 months and 14k miles and still love it! One important plus you missed was the charging network. We’ve only had to use it on 4 long trips from NJ but the SuperChargers worked perfectly. Looking forward to our FL road trip in a single day!!
Great point on the charging network. But that’s a given for the Tesla
@@TommyLGarage I tried to charge my Y at an Electrify America at a Target. What a debacle!! A friend has a Mach E. Loves it but hates taking it on long trips because of charge network.
@@damianmucaro786 buying anything else means excluding yourself from the best charging infrastructure.
On the negative side is service center; if you don’t have any service center near by and they decline to send mobile service you have to do a road trip just for service or repairs. In SC we have to drive all the way to NC or GA; 2 times I requested mobile service they declined.
@@josemr77 Break out the books and Learn to do it yourself!
306 to 284 in the cold weather is actually not that bad. When it warms up it may return close to the 306. The battery will degrade annually as shown by other Tesla owners with over 100,000 miles, and in some cases, fail badly after 140,000 miles but after this little mileage substantial degradation is highly unlikely to impact range greatly. Probably won't have to worry about degradation until year 5 if the battery is not a good one (many are fine, some are not).
I never got close to 306
@@TommyLGarage5:45 ??
@@joewright698I was about to say , “didn’t he literally say in the video that he got 306?”
@@shadynebula6948 he probably means it is getting warmer now in his area and it still hasn't gotten close to 306.
I've actually never had my ICE underperform compared to the EPA rating.@@Trensharo If anything, they've always overperformed, especially on the highway.
The EPA testing assumes frequent braking and acceleration even for their highway rating, as if assuming that the car will only be used in and around dense metropolitan areas. If you drive in suburban areas then your "city" MPG will be closer to the rated highway MPG, and on open highway with no traffic stoppages you might get twice or more the rated MPG.
EVs will have a tendency to underperform though; the faster they go, the more the wires and motors heat up, and the more they heat up the less efficient they get. They have cooling to try and keep things near an optimum temperature, but operating the pumps for the cooling is still a hit to efficiency, and there is some lag before the cooling can take effect when it is needed.
On that note, EVs are often not held to the same standards as ICEs. ICEs are put through an actual standardized test, and some manufacturers properly put their EVs through the test, but some companies (such as Tesla) just calculate range based on ideal conditions. If the stars align and everything is _just_ right then you might get a Tesla to actually reach its range estimate, or another EV to exceed its own, but an ICE will exceed its range estimate as long as it isn't stopping and starting every few seconds.
The deal with other electric cars these days is their charging-it's not so great. But when it comes to Tesla, their charging network is just smooth sailing.I think that's likely the big reason why tons of people go for Teslas instead of other electric cars.
Very true
I actually just opposite on all your negatives. The fact there are more Model 3’s & Y’s is actually a good thing. And the minimalist design is still great for first my Model 3, then again on my Y. Easy to keep every looking great.
I suppose those are indeed good points
@@TommyLGarage In addition, the more Teslas there are in the wild, the less stupid vandalism will occur (or the current rate will be diluted amongst a larger number of cars!). I think it's funny how many White Teslas you now see on the roads. I bet they probably represent about half of the MY on the roads right now.
I do hear your points about the perceived lack of innovation but I think it can easily be explained if you look at where Tesla R&D has gone with charging infrastructure, energy storage and the 4680 cell format. Those efforts take an enormous amount of time and energy and the end consumer does not really notice it unless you drive around a Nissan LEAF in 2023 and your only hope of getting home is finding a semi functional 50kW EVgo box from 2015. Nice review. Thanks
Well said. Thanks for keeping it to the point and actually making sense!
Your right. If you just look on the outside it looks like Tesla are standing still on innovation. However the reverse is true. Tesla are updating their cars all the time and on the fly. The car you get today will not as good hardware wise as a car coming off the line in 2 months time! The over the air updates also improve the car while you own it. Something we have never seen before.
I sold my Tesla y last August after experiencing several phantom brakings. It really scared my whole family.
Yup!! Can’t make this stuff up
@@TommyLGarage every manufacturer deals with phantom braking issues. The reason everybody complains about Tesla is because the company has garnered so much attention due to them disrupting the entire auto industry.
You complain about the Tesla Model S looking the same over the last 10 years... Look at the Porsche 911.. A car that hasn't changed much since 1964. 🤣
At what point does a car design go from being long in the tooth to being classic? 🤔
Lmao you literally do NOT have to use autopilot do you NO. So you took your FAMILY out of the SAFEST CAR EVER MADE BY HUMANS to put them into something that they have a better chance of dying in. Smart
@Vlasko60 the STATISTICS are clear teslas are the safest cars ever tested. PERIOD.
@Vlasko60 “FSD ISSUES” lmao its called FSD BETA. BETA being the key word it means software in DEVELOPMENT of course it has issues thats the whole point of a beta program. But you have to OPT INTO FSD beta and agree to the terms of service. Therefore FSD is perfectly fine and full of errors as it should be a person DOES not have to use FSD what so ever.
most of the problems you are talking about are non-issues, and none of the software or braking happened to me. Besides the hard suspension, this car is perfect!
Perfect? Not close. Perfect would have been better interior
Paid $39k for my used model 3. 5 months and 5K miles later I still just go for drives, it's just so much fun to drive. I also love the seats, they are the most comfortable seat in any car I've owned. The suspension is stiff and a bit bouncy stock but you can buy MPP comfort coil overs if you want a softer ride. Agree that the garage door opener should be factory installed but I still like the simple interior. I don't want buttons that add cost or break but it does go a bit too far. For example, I wish it had wiper speed controls on the wiper stalk and the glovebox should have a button or at least one you can drop onto the screen bottom. I do wish I bought a long range AWD but I love driving the car every day, moreso than any past car by a long shot.
Why do you want a button? Simply use the voice commands. Push the left steering wheel button and say "wipers on three", or "wipers on one" or whatever speed you want. It works perfectly. What I don't understand is why didn't they put headlights on voice command.
Model 3 is stiff. Model Y though, starting end of 2022, has been way improved in the suspension department. The ride quality has improved noticeably.
Minor point....Let's be clear....Elon did NOT start Tesla...He bought Tesla.
Ahhh you’re the first to notice. Thanks for the tip!
I don't think Elon designs the cars either.
@@mathias3380 just the Cybertruck
Trust me, when you try the other competitors , you will always fall back to Tesla. If you aren't happy with the MYP , I suggest trying out the Plaid X (since you have kids). It's Night and day difference! I'm sure you will also love it. It's not just the charging infrastructure that is superior than everyone else. But, it's also the battery in a Tesla that is much more advanced even if you lose some range in the cold. There will be some news on March 1st about some new tech, maybe a new car. I currently drive a Long range 2021 Model Y and am loving every day with it.
I may actually get an Audi SQ7
Not sure about that... I've done both. You definitely feel better in luxury car. Those creature comforts go a long way. He's spot on as the Tesla being a great appliance.
@@TommyLGarage well yeah why wouldn’t you keep your kids in the safest car possible. Get another gas car with high center of gravity so when you crash and flip you all die. Smart. You really come off as a guy who just wants the next thing. You aren’t going to be happy with an SQ7 either its going to also have a long list of pros and cons. You sad you dont like telsa becuase its not “unique” anymore lmao, yes because there are not 10X more Audi than teslas lmao.
@@MiaSoreryOF tesla is the #1 selling car. Aka most common.
@@TommyLGarage LMAO they JUST became the #1 selling car. There are literally only 3 million teslas. NOT IN THE United States but in the WORLD. 3 mil for the whole world is NOT a lot per road. Next time you drive count teslas, then count Audi SUV do it for a week you know exactly what the conclusion would be WAY MORE AUDI. Do you wan to be a “cool unique guy” or keep your child alive its pretty simple
21k is child’s play. We got over 81K miles in 23 months. 2022 model Y. I don’t have the same complaints as the video does. The range dropped off the first year, but has held steady since. We get about 290 miles on a 100% charge. We live in florida, so the A/C runs full 50 weeks of the year. We have been through a couple hurricanes, and don’t have an issue with it at all. Elon didn’t create Tesla. Tesla was started by a couple guys that EM later forced out. And most of the cars, except the CT, were developed with the assistance of a larger car maker. I drive our Y a lot with several overnight trips. My only real complaint is the recommendations for charging stations. Wawa typically has fast charging stations, however, the system will consistently recommend Bucees whose chargers are 1/2 as fast. I would not be surprised if there was a deal involved in its charging recommendations. The cost savings for this car are enormous. If we bought a Prius instead of a Y, we would would have saved about $2,500 a year on fuel vs electricity. $500 on oil changes. At over 80,000 miles we would be approaching the life span of several parts including the battery. The car payment difference would have been about $200 a month which nearly cancels out the fuel savings, but doesn’t take into consideration the maintenance costs. However, a Prius has no where need the performance. I mean we are over 81,000 miles and she still makes me grin when the light turns green. She is so much fun to drive. One thing the video poster shared was phantom breaking and from viewing the video I would say you need to regularly clean your car. Teslas depend heavily on their sensors and you can’t have dirt, grime, and salt collecting on them. The car needs to be washed. I like our Y a lot, and buy it again. However, there are other EVs I like since the market is getting more competitive.
Would you buy another one?
For the price they are now, its definitely even more worth it than what I bought it for in October. But I have no regrets. The fact I can sleep in the car with the HVAC running while I camp outside my work during breaks is amazing. Even better with all the storage capacity. Don't think I can go back to another car that doesn't have a frunk and under trunk storage. If I could do it again I would've got the MYP over my MYLR. Not sure if the slightly faster acceleration would be worth it but I would think you would feel the difference in acceleration between the two.
Frunk is indeed a game changer. Those EVs without one are a fail in my book
dont sleep in an ev emf exposure galore
@@Datacorrupter234 Good point!
@@TommyLGarage Oh, you mean like Hyundai and Kia? ;-)
I prefer EMF exposure to gas exhaust fumes
I’ve had my Y since September last year and the only thing I don’t like about it is the ride. Otherwise it’s great for family of 4. I would consider getting a 3 as the 2nd car if the price comes down further.
My m3 lr is really stiff.
@@Blasterxp Updated one is really nice, and have softer ride than the old one.
I own the exact Tesla as Tommy. My biggest complaint is the ride quality. I don’t mind a stiffer ride, but the squeaks and rattles annoy me. The doors close very easily, which leads to everyone slamming them shut. Elon lowering the price so much killed my resale value. I agree with all of the positive points, especially the acceleration. Will be severely missed if i change vehicles back to Audi or Lexus.
So I don’t have any squeaks and rattles but you’re right the resale value took a major hit overnight
Tesla still owns its value literally better than any other on the road what are you talking about. Further more the price has only gone back up a few thousand since the price dip. Prices fluctuate welcome to the market
Audi with real high quality build, unlike goof tesla, still low quality, over priced boring
My friend bought a Model Y. I was with him when he backed into a truck. The car didn't have audible warnings that would have prevented the collision. My Lexus UX 250h not only beeped but stopped the car and prevented me from hitting a car while backing up.
how much range is being estimated greatly depends on your recent driving style, so not all of the drop is down to battery degradation
Any idea how much ?
I love the look and how the Mach-e GT drives. I didn't fall in love with the Model Y when I drove it but its also nearly 8K cheaper for the performance than the Mach-e GT. In the USA add in the full $7500 tax rebate on the Model Y compared to the GT, the value gap gets close to 12k. The GT starts at 270miles vs 303 miles on the Y performance. The Mach-e only provides the lesser equivalent of full self driving for 3 years before it becomes a subscription. Add in the Ford dealership issues and you have to really love the GT look and small perks to pay 12k+ more for lower mileage and equivalent performance. I don't own a Y and I did look at buying the GT because I love the look. In then end I couldn't justify the price and at the time what really ended it was all the dealer mark ups they tried to force on me. Now that the Y is cheaper it might be worth a little less love of the car looks for equivalent performance and known EV reliability.
I agree on all points. And that’s not even including the Tesla supercharger network.
When I bought my Performance3, 4 years ago there were 3 supercharger stations in my area. Now there are 18.
I charge every night at home (charge is $9 for a fill up), so I don’t supercharge a lot. But it’s awesome to know they’re out there when I want to road trip.
As for the car itself, I don’t think there’s any comparison out there for now. Certainly not the Ford Mach E.
I couldn’t care less about ambient lighting, nor for most of the stuff talked about here. And for more money, less range and less performance? It’s a no brainer. I don’t know how they sold the few that they have.
What about the 5 second limit full acceleration? Did you find that annoying on the mach e GT?
@@cutlassrkt Wasn't really noticeable most of the time. I'm sure you would notice it if your racing but if you just enjoy driving and need the speed boost its rare that you need top power for longer than that. After having the Tesla for over a month now and a couple of long road trips, I will say I'm very happy with the tesla. Overall the current price plus the full incentives make it a significantly better deal. In all honestly I am happy we went with the longer range now over the performance. Once batteries consistently hit over 400+ miles, the extra juice for power will be enjoyable but given the 3+ hour trips we take every few months I am happier with the extra mileage over the performance boost.
Overall good review. I'm 1 year and 50,000 km into our Model 3 and for us the pro's totally outweigh the con's. What you didn't mention that I think is critical are two things. Driving long distance anywhere and in any weather is perfect with Tesla. Our after sales service experience puts to shame all automakers. They came to my house to fix the car. i can get an appointment same or next day. You seem to have money as I do and I like to hold on to mine as much as possible. So saving $8,000 in fuel in 12 months really makes me appreciate the model 3. I had a 997 and I know you're going to think I'm crazy, but I prefer driving my model 3 over the Porsche. I know sacrilege.
Sir. You need to see a doctor soon. Your second to last sentence.
I agree 100% with everything said. I'm stuck with my M3P due to recent price drops; otherwise, would offload it. Not getting another Tesla until or if quality improves.
Need to return it for a full refund and trade for an ICE CAR.
Price drops are so hard to swallow
FSD doesn't cause the phantom braking on the highway like autopilot I've heard.
You can add all those extra touches relatively inexpensively aftermarket and you should include links in the description. . .
Ambient Lighting.
Projecting the Tesla symbol on the ground when the door is open.
Rear Display Screen for A/C controls.
No way I’m paying $10k for FSD
I love my Model Y. It's almost a perfect car. Everyone in my family owns Model 3 and Model Y. They love it.
Almost perfect? What’s wrong with it ?
How much does it cost to replace the batteries? How often do they have to be replaced?
Every time the battery is empty you have to buy a new one, and they are not cheap. Some Hyundai dealers are charging (pun) AU$60k for a battery on a $55k car !
@@greghudson9717 how would you spend the $5,000 you have left over? BTW I'm using the new math
Tesla batteries last a very long time. You get 120k miles of warranty. Most old Tesla Model S cars from 2014 have lasted 300k miles on their old chemistry batteries. Imagine today! The batteries are super reliable. You can imagine to get 200k-300k+ miles out of a battery.
Most batteries will last beyond the warranty, 10-12 year. Replacement price depends on battery size and availability. A Nissan leaf one can be 6k, a tesla 12k.
@@irenecheca6575 so you'd buy a used one knowing at some point you'd have to fork out $6 to $12 K? (IF your figures are correct)
Just bought a used model S, the lack of storage, cup holders and cell phone charging is insane. This is my first EV, range anxiety and rapid depletion in the cold weather and mountains of Utah are also incredibly frustrating.
You’ll get used to it. It’s not that bad
Lack of storage? I drove a model 3 for a year and was very impressed by the amount of storage given the overall frame of the car, and the model S is a bit bigger.
What is the overall comfort level from the suspension and seats? Also, 22 miles per charge decrease seems like a lot to me in just one year. I have never owned any EVs so I have nothing to compare it to. Were you regulating your charges per Tesla recommendations?
Suspension is harsh but I enjoy it. It makes it seem like a sports car. And yes I do charge do 80%
Harsh suspension and noisy cabin for sure.
People complain too much.....Cabin noise is adequate considering you have full glass ceiling with no overhead insulation and the seats are super adjustable and comfortable after our 24Kfirst year!
If you are coming from a BMW sedan or a bmw MINI cooper you will like the suspension. I personally came from driving both and I prefer the ride to be a bite more rough so I know what the road feels like especially at speed. I found the Tesla to be less harsh than a BMW or MINI.
Good video, I have the exact same car as you, and about the same mileage yours. I don't have those phantom brake problems, knocking wood that you're talking about I drive all hours of the night. Actually I'm more of a night driver. I found that it seems to drive better at night than during the day. I travel from Maryland to North Carolina across the state of North Carolina and back to MD several times. It's been a great experience for me. I love mine I think it's the best car I ever owned. I did sell a mini Cooper s and kept my Toyota Prius that was a mistake. I do wish I would have kept the mini Cooper s as my gas car. I have the full self-driving and I'm in the beta program It's so amazing. And how far along they've come with this since it started out blows my mind. I haven't noticed a big turndown in the battery performance. I'm sure there's been a little but it seems very minimal.. That's an interesting viewpoint though. Like I said I have the performance Y 22 and I received it in December of 21. and have about the same mileage as you within a few hundred miles. Good luck I hope you change your mind!! I have taken some things in from your videos they have been interesting especially the snow ones. I did ask you a few questions about how it would do in the snow and you were spot on I had a great experience in a bunch of snow in the mountains of North Carolina.
Thx Tim
I’m wondering if there is something wrong with my LiDAR system then. It’s really terrible at night
@@TommyLGarage Yes it must be cuz I drive at night all hours of the night and mine does great. I've never had a problem with phantom breaking even during the day maybe some light breaking but never any heavy breaking. But at night time it seems to me it does way better. Maybe you need to put a service call in and give it a shot. Like I was saying I just did like a 600 to 800 mile run very little interaction at all and it was on mountain roads a lot of it. At least 80% of that driving was at night.
I haven't had a phantom braking issue in a long time. I have a 2018 Model 3 with 75K miles not a Y but that has been dramatically improved for a long time now. Tesla cars do not have LIDAR at all, never had it. It is all visual now. Even the ultra sound sensors were for close range. The phantom braking was supposedly caused by a conflict between the low resolution radar and the camera's interpretation of what was going on. That is why they turned off and then later removed the radar. It looks like they are going to an internally designed/spec'd high resolution radar system to improve the situation. Oh and I use AP day or night and in fact anytime I am on the freeway for more than a couple of miles.
Any issue with the tires wear from inside? What PSI do you keep the tires at? I have the same set of tire as you do.
No issue. 38psi all around.
Thank you.
That's only an issue on model-S.
mine were basically spent at 19k-20k miles
I'm Car Enthusiasts myself, I would purchase a E.V. just for around town, driving I have never owned one or rode in E.V.. (over air updates I do not care for changes on vehicle I purchased with out my permission).
I bought my first SUV 3 years ago a Jeep Cherokee Overland 4x4 I use it for road trips and enjoy it very much.
But so many negatives from tire wear issues, to finding charging stations and time takes to charge your car, range drops over time, I live in Michigan very cold here, read online about people getting stranded because of losing charge because of cold weather.
Searching for charging stations maybe out of commission.
I prefer my I.C.E. powered vehicles put gasoline get low spend maybe 5 minutes filling tank drive off.
Maintenance cost on my Jeep is Oil changes $60 every 6 months.
Fuel is $35 a week. For (93 octane).
I payed $32,000 3 years ago had 10,000 miles on odometer.
I like convenience of I.C.E. Vehicles
E.V..s just Novelty.
Nice honest review. I agree with you that the innovation for this car has been the same for a long while now and it kind of remind you of an iPhone, it works but it’s the same thing. I’m grateful that Hyuandi and other makers are ramping up EVs because they are forcing the standard. I’m like you in the fact that I like to be unique and since everyone is buying a Tesla, it is no longer a bragging mobile anymore
Hyundai makes some amazing cars now !
You want unique? Then reserve an Aptera EV. I did. On the road that's going to be a "UFO-mobile."
@@richpate9436 never heard of it
@@richpate9436 I actually reserved one years ago and nothing has came out positive… a long waiting game
@@TommyLGarage Hyundai makes some amazing cars? 😅 I cannot agree on that. They do make some very ugly cars! that’s a fact. 😬
Good review, about to take delivery of MY shortly so it's nice to get this perspective. I think the upsides far outweigh the downsides. Video quality excellent BTW.
Thanks! Congrats on the car. You will absolutely enjoy it
*Acceleration never gets old*
*Imagine never having to go to a gas station ever again*
Imagine waiting for it to charge for 6 days at home..or 45 minutes at a station wtf!
@@01trsmar youre doing it wrong...
I don't need to imagine it. I have been experiencing it for more than three years.
So many lying fuckers post here !
My maximum charge time , on a trip was 18 minutes
And still having to paying for fast charging $45 then wait 45 minutes to drive
I recently drove my 2023 Model Y LR 3,300 miles from OKC to Shelby, Montana and back. I thoroughly enjoyed the four day trip, except EV supercharger stations are less prevalent out West. As more stations become available, and in better locations, trips will be even easier to plan and undertake.
Happy to hear!
One thing about a Tesla that stands out is its horrible design. Its a 4 wheeled jelly mould and looks hideous. It is getting old and many manufacturers have exceeded Tesla in build quality design and engineering.
If you live in the US, you are very limited to what EV you can buy.
Elsewhere, in Europe there are so many better choices. VW, Peugeot, Renault, Then there is the elephant in the room. Chinese EV's.
The new BYD and MG4 are streets ahead of Tesla and cost $25K.
BYD sold 500,000 more cars than Tesla in 2022 and are just beginning to sell cars in Europe.
My current car is a Peugeot e2008, its OK, and its 1st generation, very stylish, an good build quality.
My next car is going to be a MG4, its quirky and a very good car.
Musk and Tesla overturned the vehicle industry for the better. But Tesla is now overtaken by many manufacturers, with much better build quality.
Manufacturing a car brand from scratch is very difficult, and Tesla had teething problems and overcame them very quickly. The best thing about Tesla
is its self driving Technology, which it currently is a leader in the field. Its good for big and wide US roads. It will be another 10 years before it is mature enough to work on smaller European roads.
Ultimately, it will be Chinese EV's that will outstrip any other EV maker in the future. Last year they sold 10 million EV's...impressive.
@@berty1422 Will never buy a Chinese vehicle.
You may own a Chinese EV now or soon, but sooner or later Chinese will own YOU!
Returned my Tesla Y off of a 2 year lease yesterday. Agree with you completely. Love the handling and the acceleration, but that’s about it. Was happy the car was going back. Didn’t replace it with another Tesla.
I want a electric toaster on wheels.
But what did you get?
Our new 2023 Model Y Performance is a little better than our 2019 Model 3 Performance. The fit and finish still leaves a lot to be desired. The quality control is still not there. Maybe the incoming highland will be a level above. I feel as though we let a lot of things go by knowing it is a Tesla. Items that we would not accept if it was Lexus or Mercedes.
@@mocheen4837 If Tesla Shanghai is any indication the refreshed car should be much better. They have 95% automation on the line. But I am not sure that Fremont will get the same treatment. Shanghai rolls out a car every 40 seconds.
Now I love in Massachusetts do the Tesla come from Shanghai or Fremont@@danharold3087
Why wouldn’t you get the Model X? Totally a different ball game from the Model Y
I may need to look into it
@@TommyLGarage Keep us posted 🤙🏽
@@XxRonnie86xX will do!
What is the depreciation on your Tesla? How much did you pay new, how much is it worth now after all the price cuts?
Paid $63k 2 years ago. Now it’s $7k cheaper or so
Thanks for the vid. I've been in EV stand-by mode for awhile now (partly waiting for the competition to warm up, partly waiting to complete a looming house move) but getting close to the trigger. Teslas of course caught my eye (and everyone's it seems) at their start but now there's a LOT of competition. I went to a local, small EV show yesterday where there was a lot of traffic and interest in Ioniq 5, Kia EV6 and even the Subaru Solterra, VW ID4, the Rivian truck....and not much at all in the Teslas. A sign of the times.
make sure you check out the Tesla (test drive and know the features), then compare to the others before making a choice - there are trade offs - but Teslas on the whole are better
There really isn’t much competition, honestly drive use a Tesla for 300-500 miles and then a ford ev or Kia etc Tesla in the way of EV is the best in comparison. Not perfect by far but def the best out there still. I would like to try a rivian.
Consider a hybrid. And do not park any EV in a garage attached to your home, much less an EV being charged.
In 2019 I was waiting for the better EVs to arrive, kind of like the next Iphone or Samsung until my son said "dad, don't wait". I was already over 70. That was M3 then Tesla announced model Y , took a big loss and traded it back for the Y, never regret. The 95% control function is on the screen is one major complaint.
@@Roberto-lg7jx use voice commands which work perfectly even though i have a heavy accent - in youtube, type "18 voice commands for your Tesla you need to know". At the bottom of the video is a printable version - use it to enjoy your Tesla even more
I got a Y for about 8 months now. I love it, but have to admit, for the price, it should have more standard features, and better noise insulation. Still love it though, and love the minimalist interior.
What year and range?
@@owascoshaw 2022 long range. 330 miles, but real driving is probably 250-280 depending on speed I drive.
8 months in a Model Y LR, about 7K miles, and I still love it. No extreme cold in Socal, so I really don’t notice the regen issue too much. I don’t mind the fact the Tesla models are everywhere, but it’s easy to walk up to the wrong car in the parking lot. Phantom braking has happened twice, but only during the day for me. 80% of my driving is on the freeway, especially at night, so I just don’t get much variety of road and lighting conditions. I paid a bit much for the car, but I save a lot on gas which is very high in California. It’s $5/gal and occasionally higher, and it will only get worse, so I save probably $2k per year. No battery degradation, that I’ve noticed, but I don’t use superchargers. I expect to stay with this car for quite a while, though I don’t rule out getting a second when my last gas car conks out.
there's a bit of paradox regarding Tesla, California and charging and gas prices. In my area in NorCal energy is 40 cents/kWh, gas is about $4/gallon at costco.
Now yeah if you own a home you can pick a plan where charging a car cost less, but if you're renting and you have no way to switch to plan which offers cheaper charging rate - you're screwed. You're much better off buying a Toyota hybrid unfortunately. Ironically in almost any other state price of electricity is almost 3 times cheaper, sometimes more than 3 times.
Which is sad, because those of us who rent in California could really could use some savings that comes with an EV.
The cruise control used to be very good, then a little over a year ago Tesla decided to get rid of millions of lines of coded instructions and move to pure AI. Suddenly, cruise control became unusable, precisely because of the random hard braking you describe. It is now too dangerous to use. 😢 I now refer to AI as "Artificial Idiocy". It's so frustrating. If they could just give us back the old coded system until they get this problem fixed, I 'd be thrilled. Anyway, I hate that Tesla is insisting we deal with their growing pains on this matter, but I do believe that they will eventually fix the problem.
Yup!! It’s insane
I agree with you tommy. the tech is refreshing when it first launched and being a first adopter 5years ago with the model 3 the excitement is gone like a marriage 😂. I currently have model3 and Y but I see them everywhere like a white washing machine on wheels and the uniqueness is gone. The 300 mile range promises and no cooled seats for the price point. I drank the Tesla koolaide.. now I’m looking for something different!
It feels like they’re a bit stagnant now
Lmao they do look like an appliance