These definitions are all over the place depending on where you were. Is the person testing or inspecting "controlling" anything in the finished product, or are they measuring it? Is the person creating the product "assuring" it, or are they the ones really in control of it's quality? Even the FHWA and FTA can't agree on what they mean. A better approach is to use the more modern ASQ definitions tied to the cost of quality. Prevention (or process control) are the things that prevent defects in a product in the first place. This includes knowing the requirements, having a process that can meet those requirements, and keeping the process in control. Appraisal (or verification and acceptance) tests, inspects, and otherwise measures the produced work to see whether or not it meets requirements. So prevention (a necessary cost) has to go into every piece of work, but appraisal could be statistically estimated (also a necessary cost vs 100% inspection and testing which is usually an unnecessary cost unless you're managing nuclear warheads, going into space, or bolting doors into a Boeing aircraft). Defective work that is caught in appraisal is an internal failure, since it requires rework but the customer never sees it. Defective work that is not caught in appraisal is external failure and can often end up on the six oclock news like some bridge projects. Whether it's internal or external might depend on your point of view. Just as prevention and appraisal might depend on your point of view. If someone else produces work and you appraise it, you were not in control of that work, but you might be in control of whether or not that work is accepted and incorporated into other work.
@DannyKahler-PE Thanks for your insightful comment! You're right that QA/QC definitions can be confusing and vary widely. The ASQ's focus on prevention and appraisal, tied to cost of quality, offers a clearer framework. We also agree on the importance of statistical sampling in appraisal. Your point about the dynamic nature of quality management, where roles can shift, is spot on. Thanks for enriching the discussion and sharing your expertise!
I agree with ISO definition. Controls means that something is already existing, and we are only controlling it . That something to me is QA . So, Quality requirements give rise to QA and then QC. Making QC as QA is not right.
Hello James, While Quality Management encompasses the broader framework of ensuring overall quality within an organization, Quality Engineering focuses on the technical aspects of quality control and improvement at the product and process level. Both disciplines play crucial roles in ensuring that products and services meet or exceed customer expectations and contribute to organizational success.
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Really appreciate your breakdown, especially at 14:15. The definitions in a vacuum seem to make more sense for the way your old company used them.
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These definitions are all over the place depending on where you were. Is the person testing or inspecting "controlling" anything in the finished product, or are they measuring it? Is the person creating the product "assuring" it, or are they the ones really in control of it's quality? Even the FHWA and FTA can't agree on what they mean. A better approach is to use the more modern ASQ definitions tied to the cost of quality. Prevention (or process control) are the things that prevent defects in a product in the first place. This includes knowing the requirements, having a process that can meet those requirements, and keeping the process in control. Appraisal (or verification and acceptance) tests, inspects, and otherwise measures the produced work to see whether or not it meets requirements. So prevention (a necessary cost) has to go into every piece of work, but appraisal could be statistically estimated (also a necessary cost vs 100% inspection and testing which is usually an unnecessary cost unless you're managing nuclear warheads, going into space, or bolting doors into a Boeing aircraft). Defective work that is caught in appraisal is an internal failure, since it requires rework but the customer never sees it. Defective work that is not caught in appraisal is external failure and can often end up on the six oclock news like some bridge projects. Whether it's internal or external might depend on your point of view. Just as prevention and appraisal might depend on your point of view. If someone else produces work and you appraise it, you were not in control of that work, but you might be in control of whether or not that work is accepted and incorporated into other work.
@DannyKahler-PE Thanks for your insightful comment! You're right that QA/QC definitions can be confusing and vary widely. The ASQ's focus on prevention and appraisal, tied to cost of quality, offers a clearer framework. We also agree on the importance of statistical sampling in appraisal.
Your point about the dynamic nature of quality management, where roles can shift, is spot on. Thanks for enriching the discussion and sharing your expertise!
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I agree with ISO definition. Controls means that something is already existing, and we are only controlling it . That something to me is QA . So, Quality requirements give rise to QA and then QC. Making QC as QA is not right.
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What is the difference between quality management and quality engineering ??
Hello James,
While Quality Management encompasses the broader framework of ensuring overall quality within an organization, Quality Engineering focuses on the technical aspects of quality control and improvement at the product and process level. Both disciplines play crucial roles in ensuring that products and services meet or exceed customer expectations and contribute to organizational success.