How Beyoncé's "4" Avoided The 4th Album Curse
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- Welcome back to Pop Dissected! Today, we're going to be discussing Beyoncé's fourth studio record, "4". We're going to talk about how this record broke the alleged 'fourth album curse'.
Additionally, we're going to discuss how "4" led Beyoncé into a different direction with her musical intent. The apparent underperformance of "4" led Beyoncé to try new things with her music, as seen with her succeeding records "BEYONCE" and "Lemonade".
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Hey folks! For clarification, the records I showcase to exemplify the "4th Album Curse" are not based upon my personal opinions. These are records I collectively saw brought up multiple times by individuals as I was reading more. I by no means intended to infer they are bad records, or "flops" - however, for one reason or another, these records were seen by some as not living up to the successes of the artists previous, or future records. My apologies if I didn't communicate that clearly enough! Also found it interesting to a lot of comments not knowing about the "4th Album Curse", I assumed a lot of people knew about it! 😳
@RodriVlogs 😊 Yup!
I thought it was the second/sophomore album that was known as the “flop” album, not the 4th.
Taylor swift avoided the curse with Red
@@popdissected4400 4th Album Curse, come on.
@RodriVlogs there are also some example of the sophomore flop happening, such as U2’s October, My Bloody Valentine’s Loveless, and so much more :(
She did a PURE rnb during the height of the electro pop dance phasee
Rightttt, 2011 was the year of Gaga, Britney, Kesha, Rihanna, Katy and all these pop artists
Awww cute reply :p
that made her standout even more than she did
Run the world is electro pop.
Olavi Hekandjo one song outta the WHOLE albumm, the album was pure rnb. Change my mind
You also forgot the fact that 4 was her first album where she was managing herself and not being managed by her father, another factor as to the shift from being Beyoncé the pop star to Beyoncé the album artist
right!
Ah! Thank you for bringing that up! Oversight on my part - it happens 😮
@@popdissected4400 no worries
@@popdissected4400 you are appreciated btw✨❤️
@@handsomemahlambi Thank you so much. As are you ❤️
I've never heard of the 4th album curse I've only heard the sophomore slump.
I’m like...is this a new concept ?
Saleam Singleton no this has been a thing for awhile
Me too but dua lipa avoid it
kenneth ta what’s that?
kenneth ta facts this is news to me as well.
Love On Top is a classic. Change my mind
no one can. issa fact
“Change my mind” ain’t nothing to debate, it’s not even up for discussion
Sammy Sweet nothing to change you spoke the god damn truth. It’s a true classic
It’s honestly one of her best songs.
I see no lies
"4" got bops for days
And still slaps to this day
@@ronip_baddiebarbzrihanna5083 right!
tastee
ikr 4 and bday are my favorite albums from her
@@butterflyera765 same! I have the video album of B-day, and it still amazed me how those songs have aged like fine 🍷
When on earth was rated r a flop? That album was huge as it was seen as her comeback album from domestic abuse.
The only album by Rihanna that was received well is ANTI. The rest were full of hit singles that overshadowed the potential of the album.
@@geraldnyanjwa4288 Rated R was the mother of ANTI, it was her first cohesive album.
@@RaheemD However, its the singles that were more prominent as compared to her albums and ANTI is the first album that gained recognition for taking on a sound that was not driven by radio.
The domestic abuse situation was the reason why it flopped, the sales were a noticeable decrease, and we all know the black community, which was a big fan base of Rihanna’s had a problem with her “snitching”. Outside of rude boy everything underperformed. Rated R had the same problem of 4, where other than the lead single, the rest of the album was more R@B or rock toned which went against the electro party popularity at the time. All of this contributed to its underperformance. Rated r is still top 3 for me though.
Also she was very much still going through the effects of the abuse situation during rated r, it was very fresh... her comeback album was definitely LOUD, which is my favorite album. And just like Beyoncé’s 4, rated R NEEDED to happen for Her next album to happen. Rihanna wanted to make an album where she was able to be free and happy, and colorful after her necessary healing from rated R.
There was a theme with Beyonces 4, and id say that was "classic". Something that NO ONE ever seems to notice (which irks me) is that all of 4s videos payed homage to a different decade. Run the world was the apocaplyptic millenium, best thing I never had was an homage to her 90s teen years and had black romcom vibes. Party had odes to the 80s, 1+1 was like the psychedelic 70s, countdown was clearly mod 60s, love on top was 50s motown bands, and dance for you was 40s noir. Interstesting that her last video was in the 40s, since 4 is her favorite number. My queen loves a theme
you SHOULD make a video about this topic!
I knew they paid homage to the classics but it didn't occur to my stupid brain how these are all connected! After all these years I learned it now! THANKS! you should totally do a video about it!
@@nazmussadat7852 funny, my friends tell me I need to do vlogs because of the stuff I notice. A lot of these pop artists are saying a lot if you pay attention lol
Mind blown. You totally nailed it. There was a theme!
Rather Die Young was a nod to 1960s pop and teen tragedy 😊
Okay so one thing is painfully clear: the general public failed Beyoncé when she released 4. Run The World should’ve been #1 and Love on Top & Countdown deserved to reach AT LEAST top 10. 4 is such a good record, so artistic, so brilliant.
In hindsight, sure but Run The World was extremely polarizing back when it was first released. The fact that she was able to even chart as high as she did with the singles she released during the EDM era is impressive in itself!
She didn’t send any of the singles to radio. Yo began to manage herself but YES I agree 😩. Run The World, Love On Too are number ones & Coutdown definitely top 3
@@lesjones7818 love on top did reach number 1 on billboard eventually
@@kait7404 do it didnt
@@lesjones7818 it says on billboard it did
The shifts in Beyoncé’s career:
_The Writings On The Wall_ (Destiny’s Child) - popularized the group, introduced them further into mainstream
_Survivor_ (Destiny’s Child) - first US number 1 album, DC recognized as a trio and one of the bestselling girl groups of all time
*Dangerously In Love* - Beyoncé’s solo debut, hit factory, recognized as a powerful force as a solo artist
*4* - managed herself, became an album artist, strongest vocals pre-motherhood
*BEYONCÉ* - visual album artist, surprise drop releases (no promotion), cared less about charts and more about artistry, first album as a mother, vocal transition due to child birth (female belt vocals lower but range widens, still able to hit higher notes with falsetto)
*Lemonade* - social consciousness and activism, shift in musical message
[ _EVERYTHING IS LOVE_ (The Carters) & _The Gift_ (Soundtrack) - another vocal belt shift due to birth of twins, music for the people, deeper connection to roots]
Before anyone comes for me, I said shifts not career defining moments or else I would have added performances and specific songs, also this pertains to her albums (Destiny’s Child self-titled debut is not a shift but a defining moment)
B’day? For me that’s the most iconic Beyoncé album.
@@PrettyLitleHamburger I agree
PLH it’s a great defining moment but not a shift, bold is a shift, italics are minor shift, B’day is Bop Day and everybody with good taste knows that❤️✨
I also edited out I Am...Sasha Fierce bc again was a staple not a shift, shift meaning some type of turnaround
Most don’t even make it to 4 albums
Very good point!!
Just as it is.
Like adele
@@woodenvile5439 she's supposed to have an album release soon
Yeah I know but when it comes to Adele "soon" seems like years😢
I miss the 4 era so much. She was promoting her music everywhere and giving so many interviews and insight behind the scenes so that fans could get a look at who she was beyond just the music. She really needs to come back a little bit and show fans some of her true self. Nearly 10 years now since 4 and we barely know anything about her personally beyond just what the media reports
It’s for her own protection and sanity. In this day and age when celebrities and public figures reveals too much about themselves and give the public/fans every detail about their personal lives then fans begin to take advantage and become too invested in their idol’s lives and begin to take advantage of that. Beyoncé just wants to put out her music, perform, make her money, and be able to still keep her personal life to herself and her family
Btw its her best album ever. PERIODT.
I think she still let us in. In Homecoming i really felt like I witness her creating the show, her personality is still there.
And that's why she's still interesting and revelant today because she's so interesting and mystique.. Beyonce is smart ass hell.. I love it.
Her goal and what i believe she's accomplished is being able to let us in and connect with her fans through her audio and visual media. She shares her lives through her music, visual albums; films and she often posts pictures on her website about what she's been up to. As a fan, having witnessed how every little thing she says or does gets dissected, deliberately misconstrued and scrutinized by the public and media; i do prefer that she continues protecting herself from the constant hatred and negativity people direct at her, especially on social media
Adele will break the 4th curse and get us her best record with her 4th album
Taylor already had with red her 4th album as her best record
Ariana’s sweetener was a pretty solid fourth album
@@SteveMallia yeah offcourse sweetener was pretty solid, I was just replying to him, cause he said that Adele will break that curse, when Taylor, Ariana already did that whereas Ed Sheeran fell into that trap....so that was it
Archit Ojha Ik it’s a half and half cirse
Curse*
BEYONCÉ is STILL the fastest selling album on iTunes ever.
I keep that album on repeat 🔂
Um Mariah Carey 4th album is merry Christmas and it’s the most successful Christmas album ever and all I want for Christmas is you
Most people don’t count EP, Christmas or Duet albums as full length albums. For example, if they did Xtina’s 4th album would’ve been Back to Basics which for sure doesn’t fit the “4th album curse”. So Mariah Carey’s real 4th album is Daydream which is one of her best albums. But honestly anything Mariah released during the 90’s is good.
Having said that, mariahs fourth album would be...daydream..a certified diamond by RIAA. 🤷🏻♂️
@fr3dricks0n but it wasnt her 4th album and the album itself actually had some bops but bc the movie itself flopped, the album did too 🤷🏽♀️😔
Mariahs 4th is Music Box
@@queenlegendtinathevoiceagu6994 music box was very successful (selling 32 million records, making it one of the biggest selling albums ever!) but it wasn’t her 4th. The Christmas album was actually her fourth album and although it wasn’t equally as successful as music box, it was still pretty successful!
i love this album and believe it’s her best.. dance for you, start over, love on top, countdown, 1+1..... so many bops
1+1 is a great song
Dance for you is one of her best songs AND her best music videos.
Yes dance for you is my song i mean the whole album have so many bops it's hard to choose a favorite
4 has some of the best production that I've ever heard on a pop record, it definitely deserved the attention it got
Deserves a lot more though, tbh
@@chrisfernando3199 that's true
Actually the album deserved way more than what it got... her 4 album has some of the best vocals, and some of them didn’t even chart at all... it was a very underrated album.
Most pop fans weren't majorly exposed to Bey until IASF. So when that record blew up and everyone was calling her queen, a lot of them didn't "get the hype" like she was some overnight pop gurl. No ma'am. She's been a household name. R&b/hip hop radio had been spinning her records non-stop for a decade by then. Those pop fans weren't there when she burned the BET awards stage in '06 with no backup dancers, so of course they didn't get the hype at the time. lol But for her core demographic, "4" didn't miss a beat with 3 top five hits. BTINH, Party was an entire radio bop, and Love On Top the classic spent 6 weeks at #1. Although the release of "4" cut her pop radio success short, time has shown that choosing to stay true to her core audience worked out best for her in the long run. Cuz sis is selling out stadium tours without pop radio.
Very good point! Thanks for sharing.
agreed.
Agreed. While some other artists might sell more albums, Beyonce makes up for hers in touring. There's not one artist alive that can touch her!
I love this comment!!!
Making sure you satisfy your core audience is extremely important.
A perfect example of this is Usher.
He had a smash the Raymond vs Raymond album remember O.M.G ? BUT he hasn't been able to get back to his commercial success since then because he completely left his R&B roots to go after dance music.
What’s isaf
Rated R wasn’t a flop.
It's was moderate success this album and didn't have the sales of ''A Girl Like Me'' and ''Good Girl Gone Bad''.
so as ARTPOP
Ugh, can we stop leaking stuff?! It ruins things
Right I wish people would just wait
That leak really hurt the commercial success of the album. If not for it I'm 100% sure it would have done as well as her other albums
AGREED!
@@popdissected4400 can you talk about other artist like Brandy’s 90’s Classic Never say Never or maybe Christina Aguilera’s debut album
In The Zone was 4th album by Britney and it was successful too
Indeed, one of the best album ever released in 2000s Era.
It's regarded as one of her best albums along with Blackout and Glory
@@patchoulini true
I love the 4 album when it first came out I was in a “Beyoncé is overrated” phase and hated everything she did (don’t judge me I was a middle school pretentious self hating kid who thought he was better bc I listened to “old school music”) so I didn’t understand and appreciate the brilliance of the album, the production, the vocals and the lyrics pushing Beyoncé to be a innovative and risk taking artist. I just love how diverse and experimental the record it is compared to Beyoncé’s three previous albums. My favorite tracks are countdown, Best I never had, party, I care, end of time, love on top and dance with you.
I went through the same phase in middle school during this time too lmaooo except I LOVED Beyoncé and this album when it came out. I hated everything else on the radio and I thought I was a badass for listening to old music lol
Dance for you*
@@ashley1919100 same here i thought i did something saying "i'M nOt LiKe tHe othEr KiDs wHo LiStEn tO pOp mUsIc" lmaooo
haha i know!! i went through this phase too where i hated everything popular but i was secretly singing halo pretending i could reach the high notes. lol!!
@@nemifjord7119 ohh gosh don’t get me started not only was singing her songs with them high notes I was also trying to kill her choreography especially the dance moves for get me bodied and countdown
i love the end where you said "she deserves all the praise and credit that she gets" because she has worked so hard throughout her solo career and has set the standard for the music industry after self titled and now she’s more in control of her career then ever before and she recognizes her power and influence. Using her platform to bring awareness and spreading positivity all throughout her work and nobody can deny the cultural impact that she has❤️
I totally agree! I'm glad I got to do this video, it made me realize just how impactful Beyoncé has been in the music industry and I had no idea until I was researching for this video.
I believe Beyonce is able to change pop culture even more drastically in the future. She is growing noticeably and having more and more momentum through the course of time. I am still waiting more from her.
Yess!!!
I’ve never heard about this curse! Rated R and 4 don’t seem like it was hurt by this “curse”. They just seem forgotten/underrated when talking about each artist and their discography
Very nice point! I do think there is a distinction. Though the 'curse' is very much cultivated by the internet and not inherently real, you bring up a good point that some records get lost in the shuffle amongst more popular records, which can sometimes lead those records to be seen as "flops" or "underperforming".
forgot to mention ARTPOP
it was a different time, but its important to note that Madonna’s 4th album was Like a Prayer, which was her peak in popularity
the immaculate collection was her ultra peak along with ray of light
True blue was more popular than like a prayer though
@@jessejameslatimer8686 thats true, i wasnt alive so i cant actually recall anyways lol
@@loueyjaballah665 id consider immaculate collection a part of the like a prayer era
@Kris Ford i mean yeah lol
Little Mix's fourth album "Glory Days" is pretty much their biggest album
Rated r was HUGE how was it a flop... it was literally seen as her comeback..
Not talking about press wise and hype, It's about numbers
So is 4 then 👆
Rated R was not a comeback...especially considering GGGB was a major hit. I don't think Rihanna had flop albums honestly but she was not an album artist until Loud, she was more of a singles artist
so is ARTPOP then
I've literally never heard of the fourth album curse before, and i don't know enough about most of the albums you mentionned as examples, but: witness was just messy and - as you said - kinda uninspired? Well actually, witness was over-inspired but the execution made every meaning get lost in translation. And the production was a weird mix of too generic and too out there. It didn't dare enough but at the same time wasn't just commercial enough sounding, if that makes any sense.
The second album i have something to say on is ARTPOP. Try and change my mind, but ARTPOP was just ahead of its time. Imagine if it was released in 2020 instead of Chromatica. It would arguably be even bigger than both Albums are right now.
The rollout at the time had giant flaws tho. The overhype that literally could only lead to disappointment, the bad/changing management, multiple lead single swaps (sexxx dreams and aura were considered before applause), and just gagas personal turmoil at the time, having just recovered from her hip injury and being quite into drugs made her very manic and kinda unfocused. Overall, ARTPOP was too out there, too ambitious and too messy, but as genuine as an edm album can get - and people seem to start and appreciate that recently.
Avril's 4th album wasn't a flop. It got a #11hit What The Hell too. #GoodbyeLullaby
Meeran Qureshi Wasn’t nearly as big as any of her previous albums.
It’s not about if you like it or not, or how good the album it. This is about commercial success. Who cares if Witness or Artpop were the greatest albums ever or worst ever made. This is about commercial success. Both albums failed to achieve the success people thought it would.
Yea me either. Also are there literal flop albums but then term “flop album” is relative. Albums overall are down compare to 5/10+ years ago. Listening to a full is kinda lost (not completely) in the single driven, 2 minute barely 3 minute song trend music in in right now.
Myrick Crampton just because the album isn’t a success with the public doesn’t mean it not a good album
I think that 4 is her most sonically diverse album. It had everything from old school R&B, hip hop, ballads, to afrobeats & reggae.
Yea but calling it her "most" diverse is a stretch when she release LEMONADE, every song on that album is a different genre n it meshed together perfectly, not one song sound out of place. She went from soul, reggae, rock, hiphop to r&b & that was just the 1st 5 songs lol
4 was diverse now that u pointed out to me but it was far from cohesive, Run the world & party did not blend well n was sound so out of place for a ballad driven record
Can you do how taylor swift avoid the 4th album curs, cuz red was one of her most seceded album
Great video. What you forgot to mention is that 4 was her first album to spend more than a week on top of Billboard 200. Also the rollout was kinda messy since she promoted several singles at once with Party, Dance For You (which wasnt even a single) and Love On Top charting concurently as they were sent to different radio formats at the same time. Overall the era was more focused on the album and that's what made people think it was a flop.
Good points!
I literally took a college class centered around Lemonade and the amount of history and messages she has throughout that album is crazy!!
I love that 4’s sucess or lack there of made Beyonce who she is today. Im glad the Beyonce fired her father as her manager and decide to manage her self, because he would’ve lowkey forced Beyonce to continue to make Top 40 radio hits singles which we’re seeing now with female artist Like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, even Taylor Swift, there’s seem to be an expiration date or age cap in which pop radio plays female artist music. So im she glad broke away from being a singles artist and more of an album artist it helped her create great body’s of work.
With that being said i do wish Beyonce would release one more “Pop Album” if you know what i mean. I think Beyonce is so hell bent on proving she’s above singles and is a “real artist” which is fine and she prooved that with Self Tiled and Lemonde, Homecoming, and Lion Kings/Black is King. But would it would kill her to release a radio friendly pop song with a great music video and some decent promotion 😂 because that’s another thing hate about this new Beyonce is that she DOESNT PROMOTE HERSELF. Looking at the way Taylor Swift Promotes her albums and slap her face on Apple Product and UPS Trucks i just wish Beyonce did the same thing just for one more album 😭
This. Did 4 ultimately change Beyoncé’s career for the better moving forward?ABSOLUTELY. however the album and the era didn’t avoid the 4th album curse. I feel like he mixed the era of BEYONCE with 4 as a reason to why it “avoided” the 4th album curse. It really didn’t. And I do need pop beyonce back also. The hip hop songs jay z is forcing her to do? Not it.
@Emily eaxctly female artist always have to “reinvent” themselves and coming up with new “Eras” which male artist dont have to do!
@@popkultureguru1596 I'm a Swiftie but if you observe Taylor is coming out that cycle with Folklore and isn't chasing any pop radio hit .
ALSO , Taylor had hit singles but was never solely dependent on singles like Katy or Rihanna because she had been selling Million plus albums debut week since 2010s Speak Now and is yet to this day selling 800 K + .
@@aditya_raina_ exactly i feel like after 1989 she stop focusing on Pop Radio Hits. LWYMMD did well on Pop Radio but Singles like Delicate, Ready For it, Me! And You Need to Calm Down didnt dominate Pop Radio. But Taylor Special cause she doesnt need Heavy Pop Radio Rotation, because she’s such a huge Album seller, this really seperates her from many of her female contemporaries.
@@popkultureguru1596 Yup she was always good in her Albums Artistry but she has stopped chasing hit singles or manufacturing them and she has told she wants to be successful but doesn't want overexposure and wants to remain low key with her personal life .
Taylor also had red her 4th album as her best record in 2012 just one year after queen B
3:28 I think 4 marked Beyoncé transition to an album artist from a hit song maker. 4 showed her ability to create a body of work that could be considered a flop by does focused on one thing, money, but displayed her creativity and growth as an artist. Also, I think this album’s success and commercial response was apart of the plan, utilizing her pregnancy to push the project than hit records, which would have created a lot of stress for a mom to be. B said she wanted her first child at the age of 30. How old was she when 4 was released? The Carter appear to calculate every move. But who really knows.
Mariah Carey broke that curse with Merry Christmas which is really unexpected especially out of a Christmas album
Janet broke it first with the Rhythm Nation album first
@@YoGuyAster yea but Mariah had a literal Christmas album which Christmas albums are usually for seasoned of veteran artists way out of their prime and magnum opus
Beyoncé is the perfect artist. She keeps improving throught the years with her voice, message and sound. Is vocal about social issues. Never gets involved in drama, and when something comes up she knows how to handle it and gossip dies quickly. She's very professional and that about her never ceases to impress me
Let’s not forget that she fired management, her own father, just before this album. That was big news at the time.
Omg YASSS you're finally adressing the 4th album curse! I've been waiting for foreverrr
Also, could you talk about the 3rd album being Ridiculously successful and then the 4th being (well..) cursed? :3
Are we not going to talk about how Toxic was on Britney Spears' 4th album orrrrrrrrr
That review stating that 4 was not cohesive is really very particular, because I remember clearly most critics said that this album is very homogeneous...
In fact, as much as I love Beyoncé, I find 4 difficult to listen in a row, because the optimism and epiqueness of the sound is very consistent. Nevertheless, I enjoy how mature and defined 4 is; don't forget that it entered most of the Albums of the Decade list along with the self titled and Lemonadde!
Love your videos. Thanks for putting so much work and research into them.
I’m not a Beyoncé Stan (little monster/barb) but I do enjoy her music, she is undoubtedly the standard of what a modern performer should be. She has constantly set the bar higher and higher, this woman is the meaning to a “living legend”. She has stamped her name in music history and I am blessed to witness it. Beyoncé you are the GOAT in the industry and I can’t wait to see you raise the bar even higher!
4 is just so iconic.. the songs, the music videos, the era.. wow, reminds me so much of my early teenage years, such good memories.
While electro-pop was reaching peaks of popularity, Beyoncè decided to give us a throwback 70/80's r&b inspired pop album knowing it probably would not do as well on the charts as her previous albums or as some of the other pop stars works, expecially in terms of singles. But in my opinion it was worth because it's one of her best. "Countdown" deserved to be a hit, it's such a bop!
I've never been so excited to see a video... Been really waiting and my favourite number is 4..
Finally!!!! Beyonce, please talk about Rihanna too and Little Mix! Love you 😙💗🤗
Beyoncé - 4 is my favorite Bey album to date. It’s also been noted that this was her favorite album as well. So many good gems on this record...noting the last 3 songs of the album (Schoolin Life, Dance 4 U, Lay Up Under Me) we’re truly the highlights of the whole album given that they were outside the best.
This album overall was a 4 page LOVE letter to Jay-Z and almost throw it away 🥴
Love On Top was the #1 song of the YEAR on the Hip Hop/R&B charts. I think that should be noted. Most of the singles charted exponentially better on that chart than the Hot 100.
Just cause she stop making radio friendly singles for the charts people say she fell off. But then she has WAY better albums than singers who top the charttts
THIS WAS A GOOD VIDEO 🔥. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Thank you so much!!! ❤️
Can you cover Rihanna’s Rated R album
I seriously thought it is a smash hit album! HELLO RUDE BOY PEOPLE LOL And it had amazing reviews!! I agreed with everything on the list but Rated R!!
@@cecilec.1650 Well there were 3 singles before Rude Boy haha. Russian Roulette was the lead and it was nowhere near as big as her previous lead singles, Hard did well but wasn't the huge smash her label was looking for, and Wait Your Turn straight up bombed. Rude Boy was really the only major success from the era. She even got outsold by Adam Lambert on her first week
CityBoy20 that’s true but it is one of her best rated album and Rude Boy was a MONSTER hit. It doesn’t exactly fit the 4 year curse compared to the other albums listed which bombed famously with lackluster reception. The album also had a more deeper and raw theme since some of the songs were inspired by the violent dispute Rihanna suffered in the hands of Chris Brown (damnit why some artists still collab with this garbage). The sound was also a huge departure from her more usual cheery uptempo. Rated R is one of the most distinctive and stronger efforts in her discography.
@@cecilec.1650
Truth be told the supposed under performing Rated R produced a number of singles which outsold and outcharted the singles from Beyonce's 4☕️
And actually when Rude Boy went #1 on Billboard Hot 100 for five weeks it ended up blocking Gaga's and Bey's Telephone from the top spot😉☕️
still my favorite album from her. loved the styling during this era too
"I started my own company when I decided to manage myself. It was important that I didn't go to some big management company, I felt like I wanted to follow the footsteps of Madonna and be a powerhouse and have my own empire, and show other women when you get to this point in your career you don't have to go sign with someone else and share your money and your success-you do it yourself."
You can tell from the video that the concept is well researched. Good job Pop Dissected.
My opinions on the subject is that 4 is not everyone's album. Its for us her DAY ONE FANS who fell in love with the incredibly vocally talented Bey in Destiny's Child, those of us who loved her R&B eras back in the early to mid 2000s, the Dangerously in Love album and the B'DAY album. 4 was indeed a throwback laced with maturity.
People love to say 4 flopped but if you asked them what album was selling 310,000 in its first week and platinum in its initial months of sale the only one that comes to mind is 21. Radio at the time was full of computer generated generic EDM music and Bey defied that and went with Traditional R&B music. The industry tried sabotaging her by leaking it before its release but still sold more than what artists at the time were doing (9 million worldwide to date).
4 remains my favourite Bey album vocally. You can tell the amount of work put into it from listening to the vocal layering.
Artflop is fadga's best album production-wise, it's just that little monsters have no taste lol. It was so ahead of its time. Artflop walked so traumatica could run
THIS COMMENT 😭
BYEYEEEE I love how traumatica has 0 bops 🤭
4, was what made me respect Beyoncé even more. If you guys remember in the early 2010s - Edm music was the sound it was everywhere 😭😂 every artist was doing it Rihanna, Britney etc. So Beyoncé deciding to do 360 & do a very soulful, R&B album with ballads was very brave, 4 was very impactful with no number ones ‘who run the world’ didn’t even chart Top 10 but the impact was strong, I remember hearing that song everywhere. Charts don’t define the quality of the album 4 is still one of her best.
''Run the WOrld'' was a EDM song, with some RnB influences. But it's was the only EDM song of the album for a RnB album.
Can you make a video about Beyonce and the visual albums? I know this was discussed a bit, but a full video would be cool!
I want to so bad! Trust, it will be done. I LOVED learning about her career with this video.
@@popdissected4400 yess plz do a video on Self-titled n Lemonade
No one dissects pop music like you do. Great work! Can you do a kelly rowland video?
This is the content I came here for!
dance for you walked so drunk in love could run
That album is my favorite album by Beyoncé, is so good, vocally is amazing, it has so many songs that are really good like Love on top, Countdown, Run the world, it isn't a "flop" era like other albums artists, it has good sales, maybe it has no smash hit but it has iconic songs, that's a fact, and that album didn't damage her career because it just a little bit lack of creativity or something like that, is kinda like a "Sasha fierce 2.0" but still is a good album, other artists damage a lot her career with her flops era like Katy Perry or Avril Lavigne.
Beyoncé still has a solid discography, just because some artist has success with an album doesn't mean is a solid album or good. Beyoncé is an amazing artist and that's a fact
The way she shifted in her career was so tasteful! Some artists have a hard time figuring out when to change their old formula but she found the right time and did it the right way!
Beyoncé is bigger than any curse. I LOVE her. The voice, the songs, the style, the performances! She is an amazing performer, i Love her shows! The álbum 4 is one of her best, at least one of my favorites! Her voice in that álbum is on point, i feel she doesn't always get appreciation for her vocals because in the álbum 4 the voice is fabulous!!! This woman is a fearless and powerful artist, one of the great artists in music!
I don't believe in curses, I believe in hard work. If the artists work hard and well, doesn't matter how many álbums they released! I really appreciate the álbum 4. Sometimes the less successful álbums in sales are my favorites. And for someone like Beyoncé a "flop" is like someone having a big hit! She doesn't need to prove anything else!
Totally agree! I only bring up the 'curse' because it's sort of this odd entity that has shown to impact several artists before - however, not all of them.
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ARTPOP is a masterpiece
Right G.U.Y and Donatella are some of the best pop songs ever
Absolutely!!!!
This album made me a fan of Queen B!
This is her best album yet. It’s actually amazing from first track til bonus tracks 😍
Christina’s fourth album wasn’t Bionic lol. People forget she released a christmas album and a spanish album(studio). So Bionic’s like her 6th. Stripped being her real 4th album and one of her best.
4:08 “I don’t care “ ?? 😂 come on man , that was hilarious ., You wanted to say “I care”, the name of the song
Thought was the only one who caught that😂😂😂
Oh no 😭 I didn't even catch that!!! My bad!
Can you do more videos about Avril Lavigne? Or maybe the 10 year curse like what happened to Avril, Katy & even Britney to an extent
Never heard of the fourth album curse but I agree with the examples you provided. Beyoncé’s 4 album is literally a fan favorite
When I red the title I thought of the exact examples like Rihanna, Katy Perry etc. ! I remember playing the album '4' in my car when it came out and my friends would always skip the songs. I think they just didn't get it back then. I really liked it, it was the first beyonce record I bought!
1:02 um…didn't Rated R got like three top 10 singles including five week number one?
@Aaron Glover you're forgetting Rude Boy. One of the last singles from Rated R. It was unexpected success reached #1 US and #2 in the UK. I remember hearing rude boy literally everywhere on the radio back then. Rude boy saved Rated R.
@Aaron Glover also Te Amo was a hit from Rated R in the UK too. Reached top 15.
@Aaron Glover"4" underperformed. It sold the same amount as rated r.
@pussysugar GGGB sold 9mil and rated r sold 3.5mil.
Iasf sold 8m and "4" sold 3.7mil.
How is one a flop and the other isn't?
@pussysugar actually Rated R had more successful singles. 4 didn't even have one top ten single.
I didn't even know this curse existed i heard about a sophomore album curse
I've been seeing that a lot. A sophomore slump is very much real, and I think is applicable to a lot more artists. However, the '4th Album Curse' is very much something headed by the internet, and not necessarily something that is applicable to most artists, only a select few - but enough for it to be labeled a 'curse'.
There was a supporting tour; though not formally called such. What made a massive impact was the tactical/strategic maneuvering. In 2012, she gave birth; did the Atlantic City shows and it looked like that was it. 2013 came around, the Presidential inauguration generated a lot of hype around her, with the Superbowl Halftime show to follow exactly a week later. She went on tour with no new music and 4 as her then latest offering. So it could be argued that that was the official tour. Even there, making a stop at the Chime for Change stage did great for her among other things because she did a 2 hour set for 80,000 people; which she hadn’t done before [with the exception of Glastonbury].
That was beautiful
Queen Bey only makes bop's😍
Fact check at 5:15-5:24 drunk in love and xo were released at the same time. Xo peaked at 45. drunk in love peaked at #2. Partition peaked at #23. With that said, her singles did chart of Self-titled. Its just no one really cared whether her singles charted or not by that point because everyone was invested in the entire album which was what Beyoncé was aiming for.
Interesting 👀My very first Beyoncé CD that I bought is "4", I bought it when I was in middle school, and I remember 'Best Thing I Never Had' was a hit in Indonesia, especially in radio stations.
Btw, I do not really believe in the 4th album curse. For example, P!nk didn't really have one (right?), her Try This album was her third album but it earned her Grammy Awards. If the 4th album curse is real, let's wait and see Adele 4th album. And thank you for making this good video! 🙏
you forgot 'dance for you' in the charts ;) and it's 'I care' not 'I don't care'. But good video! Name another artist who saved an entire era just by performances! Like the DVD Live at Roseland and the live in atlantic city, she succeeded and a lot of the songs on the album became anthems or fan favourites! This album is a classic now :)
Madonna’s 4th album was so iconic (Like a prayer)
Huge fan
Madonna’s Like a Prayer and Britney’s In The Zone do not fall into this category
Right M and Britney are amazing ❤
ITZ: She promoted the crap out of that album, did that special on TV, collab with Madonna and 2003 was a time where fan support still really mattered because they would buy physical copies (which had a bonus disc).
But, the album was largely panned by music critics. Saying she was trying to hard with the masturbation songs, etc.
Little Mix 4th Studio Album "Glory Days" is a bless.
GREAT VIDEO
Thank you! ❤️
um I have to whole heartily disagree with Rihanna’s “Rated R” being regarded as a flop that album set the standard for what dark pop/ r&b is today it’s not always about sales overall impact matters as well💀🖤
I don’t think it was a flop (cause Rude Boy was huge) but it was much less successful than its predecessor or successor.
E F when you take artist risk & transition into more mature music there’s always a risk you’ll sell less but as I said before there is more than one way to measure success & that album as a whole is a classic💀🖤
@@ef5993 it sold the same as "4", everything he said about one applies to the other.
Olavi Hekandjo I agree.
Taylor's lover is also considered a flop among her fans since it only sold 3.2 million copies and had reached 5 million in February of 2020 whereas her previous records sold faster and better than lover I think he refers to artists expected sales vs the actual sales
Well , red is Taylor's 4th album and it only showed growth in sales and artistry
@@noemonge2691 but it had a no . 1 hit and sold over 7 million copies .
@@noemonge2691 Red was the path to her most successful era yet 1989 , what do you mean ?
Aditya Raina yes the pathh, when she went full pop people paid MORE attention to her. Her fans have been knowing clearly cause of sales. Outside the fanbase ask someone if they remember red or 1989 and tell me what they say
@@noemonge2691 Use your 🧠🧠🧠 , Red and 1989 have her biggest pop hits and like We are Never Ever Getting Back Together , I Knew You Were Trouble , Shake it Off , Blank Space , Bad Blood etc. If singles aren't the metric for Influence on Genral Public then I don't know what is . These are clearly her biggest hits if you don't agree then can you tell what is her biggest era ???
@@noemonge2691 But the way 1989 is still charting after 305 weeks tell me when ur faves album charts for more than 200 weeks
I liked this video very much, and more Beyoncé content will be very appreciated!
p.s.: There's a channel called Beyoncé doing tingz that compiles interesting facts & data, it may be useful for future research :)
I love this channel😍🐝
One thing about Beyoncé, she’s going put on a show. While 4 may not have done well on the charts in comparison to her other albums, she did what she was born to do best… perform! And that’s what “saved” 4. And also, Love On Top won a Grammy.
Honestly I think the 4th album curse did get her. The album was great and it was successful but for BEYONCÉ standards it tanked compared to her other albums. It’s still super underrated and not a lot of the GP knows or cares about it
Because they have no taste, again the gp wants genaric radio songs rather than a good body pf work, and 4 was a goooooood body of workk
The strength and quality of Love On Top alone almost makes up for the flaws this album has.
You should make this a series.
“Start over” is still my favorite song by her! It’s so underrated and it makes me mad!
“I Care” not “I Don’t Care”
I know. 😩 I messed that up.
The queen never flop. Sometimes she doesn’t get the credit she deserves.
Goodbye Lullaby was one of Avril's greatest works. I love that album, and it was sad to see it flop back in the day. :(
I didn't watch it yet, but I know it's going to be great 🤩
The records that were assumed to be hit, were all iconic
I don’t think it didn’t avoid the 4th album curse.
Who Run The World is at the same table with Single Ladies in the European part that I live. It's too iconic and I agree that it was very much sustained by the iconic performances
let's talk abt what i realized watching this video: the 3rd album blessing. born this way by lady gaga is massively successful in many ways, adele's 25 was her huge comeback especially with hello, taylor swift's speak now blew everyone away with her writing it alone, lana del reys ultraviolence becoming her first number one album, nicki minajs pink print, the album that was a cultural reset with anaconda, ariana grandes dangerous woman which while it had the devastating manchester b*mbing, it served side to side into you and dangerous woman, halseys manic, madonnas true blue, katy perry's prism, rihanna's good girl gone bad, and countless others