Evan Railman venom wanted to kill Spider-Man because he believe he was a selfish jerk who only cared about the fame he got and not actually fighting crime.
Here's the thing that Slott misses; Peter Parker isn't Spider-Man's worst enemy, Spider-Man is Peter Parker's worst enemy. His relationships with those around him often appear toxic, but in reality he is always trying to make them right, with Spider-Man often holding him back, and the self-destruction is a result of his morals. Peter suffers because he does the right thing. It is in many ways, as you said, out of his control really. The only thing he could do is give up being Spider-Man, which although he tries to a lot, his guilt and sense of responsibility always brings him back to it.
I say there another alternative to salvage his relationships and it’s to let more people in on his secret because a lot of the damage comes from having to ditch them seemingly without explanation because he needs to save people as Spider-Man and telling them even if they end up worrying about him and his well being they’ll ultimately either understand or if the choose not to it’s not gonna work out with them just look at pre new 52 Jaime Reyes who was able to strike that balance between his professional and social life by being open with his family best friends his girlfriend local hero’s like The Posse The JLA etc A secret identity is extremely important but the point of one is to both maintain a life outside of super heroics and to keep your villains from finding out to protect your loved ones neither of which mean you have to keep them out
I have actually watched a video that say the opposite of that. "Spider-Man is not a Burden" is the title of it I think or the thumbnail, but it goes into depth about the original Steve Ditko and Stan Lee run of the character and how the dichotomy of Peter's and Spidey's relationship was. As it turns out it wasn’t that toxic or much of a big deal. I think really, it's supposed to be a mixture of both. When Peter can't pay for web fluid it affects Spider-Man. When the Villain is hunting for Spider-Man's friends it affects Peter. Neither of them are supposed to really be the "worst enemy" because they are the same person. There is a mixture of both that is always carefully balanced.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how great 2018 was for Spidey? -Spider-Man PS4 -Into the Spider-Verse -Infinity War -Spencer’s Amazing run -Venom (lol)
Hey, it still could have worked if the editors and writers wanted it to stick around... the thing is, though, you'd be left wondering how it would be able to compete with other corporations and not go under in a New York minute (*cough* Stark Industries*)
Parker Industries should have been a small company that in many ways mimics spider-man's life. It should have been a personification of the small every man that occasionally punches above its weight.
That's the problem with Run Until Cancelled. Massive cash cow copyrights like Spiderman will NEVER be fully and truly cancelled. So they have to Run Until Forever.
@@DevilfishFace Yeah. Making it on level with like Stark Industries... a bit much. But making it a smaller company or more specific field in the tech/science sector worked. Kind of like the vibe we got when Peter was in Horizon. Not a "Parker branded item" but some tech he sells to a bigger company and gets royalties to and what not. That freedom to invent but also to go out and Spider-Man.
It hurts. Bens gone again, mj has random ass kid, Felicia is a dumb rebound and Peter can’t even shove vultures eggs up his butt anymore without calling on Norman Osborn to help him. Not good at all
Modern Spider-Man (at least in my mind) should consider one very important thing. PETER HAS GROWN UP! He’s not a kid figuring out how to be Spider-Man or trying to get his life in order. Peter is a grown ass man, and needs to act like a grown ass man.
The very thing I love about Spider-Verse's Peter Parker is his adult dilemmas, why can't that be the status quo for once in 616 or whatever the mainstream continuity now is? Divorce, raising Mayday as a single dad, depression, etc. That would make for a compelling Peter Parker.
for better or worst (MCU spidey died, Flash thompson too, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko too, aunt may in the PS4 Game,a nd i that game you can actually count how many role models and mentors peter loses (if you think about it, PS4!Peter Is basically the Peter Dan Slott envisioned, But done right))
@@pyroshell5652 as this video shows, Slott has tried to have Peter make better use of his brains by giving him gadgets, designed by him, AND also state peter parker is his own worst enemy. this video shows slott has been hit-and-miss in that regard THE PS4 game however has shown it can be done. first the gadgets, which are shwon to be really helpful without making spidey feel like a poor man's iron man or batman. (especially with the many suits giving him different abilities) AND the game shows spider-man being his own worst enemy in more subtle ways. LIKE him getting evicted from his apartment because he couldn't pay rent on time. Or him and MJ breaking up because Peter worried about her too much (a justified fear, but moving on), Or him supposedly making Otto's insanity get worse due to Peter not being around enough to notice the worsening signs, justfor simply things like "spiey stuff" or "personal stuff", and the same goes for Him not getting to spend enough time with Aunt May for simple things anyone could be doing, or more important things like spidey saving people (and one could argue the same goes to Yuri). That is actually a great way to make Spidey/Pete his own wosrt enemy, while keeping his status of "the underdog that the univese uses as punching bag" (after all, there is no one pete would know that doing a simple personal stuff like searching his things that were thrown to garbage for not being able to pay rent would lead to him spening less time with aunt may before his death). ALSO how at the end Pete wants to avoid doing any important science stuff besides gadgets out of fear and guilt to what happened to Otto. That's a better way to set pete as his own worst enemy then Slott did (especially the moment when pete was this close of using the cure only on may, only to restrain himself, despite how much it hurts). That's why i think PS4! Peter and Spidey are Slott's Peter and Spider-Man done right
...so...this dude purposefully wrote stories that he thought people would get pissed off at...because he thought them being angry was a sign of passion, which sure, it is, and he thought that making fans angry *on purpose* ...would actually...keep them invested...? Bu-...I-...I can't even like...think of how to properly respond to this in words, so I'll just say: "EA is on the line and they want some tips for marketing."
@Wally Webbs Except the comedians in question mostly get their value through the people that love them. The people that hate them is largely a side effect of making people like them, rather than another intended advantage. Sure, clout from hate can be beneficial too, but is much less likely to get you viewers or tickets to your show or whatever, than positive attention does. And clout is only valuable when you're an unknown. Negative clout is beneficial since even if people give you negative attention, getting people to talk about you, even if it's negative, will get people to hear about you, and some of those people are bound to get interested. Spider man though? Just about *everyone* knows about spider man, there's nearly no benefit in 'getting people to hear about you', since they almost certainly already have. And nevertheless, as much as negative attention can give you a *spike* in popularity, people will eventually ignore it completely. People like shitting on bad things, but if it brings a negative reading experience then people will just stop checking it out after enough time. It may have garnered some sales at the time of release, but it may have had some permanent damage on the spider man brand. Not to mention as much as it can situationally be good marketing, it's still terrible artistry. Deliberately making shit content that sells is not very respectable, especially with an already-beloved franchise.
Stix N' Stones the story was cliche as hell but Tom hardy was pretty good. Edit: it’s like eating a delicious grilled chicken sandwich. The chicken is good but you got to pick off the tomato.
@@ArtTwinkApril It's more than that. Otto in Spider-Man PS4 tries to do what he thinks is right but insists that his way is better than everyone else' way. Instead of trying to change Norman he changes himself and stoops to his level to smite him. Instead of changing the story to fit the characters Dan Slot changes the characters to fit his story. Ottos character changed in the same way Slot changes his characters. Both do it because it's convenient for their goals but end up sacrificing what made their characters so great to begin with.
A superhero led astray by bad writing for years and then brought back to form by another writer who opens his run by shitting all over the previous run. Reminds me of Garth Ennis when he opened up Welcome Back Frank.
Between the return to form Spencer is writing, the way the newest video game finally matures the character and how the most recent Spidey movie shows what it truly means to be Spider-Man for all of us, I'd say Spidey is back on track to be the hero we all love and cherish :)
Honestly Spiderman stories these days just seem to want to smash the bullshit that came out after One More Day. Spiderman has a meaningful relationship with MJ in the game and deals with hard adult stuff in the movie, Aunt May is actually allowed to die and Spiderman in the game has the choice to save her at the expense of making a VERY POOR decision and unlike One More Day, he doesn't take it and lets nature take its course. The movie, as far as I am aware, shows that being Spiderman is not a fun thing and is taking a toll on Peter and now all the dumb shit in modern Spiderman is being criticized. Seeing all this makes me feel very optimistic and I don't even follow Spiderman comics currently. Spiderman is allowed to love, learn and lose in meaningful ways.
There is a reason Spider-Man is in front of everybody encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSE8irV9w8MSU81KrS7PkDLueIvdus70cslLJFDUJNQMP46Ch6k&usqp=CAU He's the Marvel Comics equivalent to Mickey Mouse for Disney or Bugs for Warner Brothers, no other character sums up the human element that Marvel so great.
That ending was so great, it brought a tear to my eye. I know it might sound silly, but after Ultimate Peter died I had this sense of pain in my stomach, and I cried over the fact that in none of the universes, 616 post OMD, Ultimate, the 90's animated series, or even the Rami-verse (if you count the leaked script as canon,) do MJ and Pete end up together. They've been my OTP since day one, seeing them back together makes me so happy. This video was so great GM. You've got such an amazing channel and I'm so glad there are kind YT'ers like you out here to lead the pack for the rest of us. Thanks for the video!
Well, they did brought back Ultimate Peter and he drived off into the sunset with MJ. But then that universe got destroyed... or something? I don't know.
Safe to say that the character we all know and love is finally back. Comics, games, and films. Now if we could just get a good Spider-Man Animated series...
Or if they REALLY wanted to win us over they could just bring back a certain Spider-Man animated series that was loved by the fandom and was canceled much too soon....Oh Spectacular Spider-Man, how I miss you.
@BazKar very tru, while i had my gripe with him being spiderman at the time I couldn't deny how great superior spiderman was, kinda a sucks how he had to go through the same character development instead of something new
"An enraged fan is an engaged fan"? That never works with me. Stories that consistently "enrage" me are also the ones I consistently lose interest in. What a stupid quote...
@@Gemnist98 Jesus Christ. Marvels got a hell ton of infuriating writers over the few years. ANAD is also what I like to all just, the death of marvel comics.
@Jacob Wood Remender is known for creating these big, game-changing storylines in every other issue for nothing more than sheer shock value. In Uncanny Avengers for example, he murdered half the team and destroyed the world, only to bring it back a few issues later. In Captain America, his first arc involved Cap basically going through an Old Man Logan arc - which is fine, until he uses the opportunity to kill Sharon Carter and make Cap an old man with no powers for several years. And in Rise of Ultron, he needlessly killed off Hank Pym. Again, none of these stories were built up, they were all for shock value, but I hear his creator-owned work is actually pretty good. Oh, and there was the one time he told his questioning fans to “drown yourselves in hobo piss”, but that’s a bit unrelated.
@@bichonnation9494 I don’t think any of the writers they have are objectively bad or infuriating. ANAD is over and done with, as are the majority of relaunches, and with that change came a lot of the writers moving on to bigger and better things. It wasn’t too long ago that Nick Spencer was the most hated writer at Marvel, and yet, here we are with everyone praising the hell out of him for his current stuff. Even Dan Slott, I’ve heard good things about Fantastic Four and Iron Man, and his Silver Surfer run is considered one of the best comics of the decade.
@@smashmaster521 for a second i thought we were getting that when sonic mania came out. then forces was the slap back to reality game that said "dont get used to it we still like pumping out trash"
It's honestly heartbreaking how far the Spencer run fell from grace. It was truly a light at the end of the tunnel, shame it tripped when it mattered most.
"Writes the characters to fit the story, instead of writing a story to fit the characters." Hit the nail on the head there. Just look at what Tom King is doing with Batman. Batman/Bruce is barely noticeable. Just an angry, borderline crazy, jerk making stupid decisions. It's OK with obscure characters. But with Characters as established as Spidey and Batman, it ruins the stories for me.
"It's OK with obscure characters..." No. It isn't. It NEVER is ok. In fact, it's this kind of thinking that allowed writers like Slot and Tim King to eventually corrupt the more obvious guys. If you won't even stand up for the littlest of little guys within a given company, what makes you think the actual creators are going to care about changing the big name guys? You wanna blame someone for what's happened, what's happening, and what will continue to happen, start with yourself and punch yourself REALLY hard so that maybe your head's screwed on straight.
@@VunderGuy if obscure characters weren't allowed to change, we'd be stuck with the fat german Iceman. and we'd never have got the amazing Bruce Timm animated series version, with the tragic backstory and all.
Tom King lost me, when he had Catwoman leave Batman at the altar “Cauze Batman can’t be Batman if he’s married”. It’s not like heroes like Mr Fantastic have been hitched for decades, but spouses ruin grouchness.
What Slott may or may not realize is that his thing with slamming Peter for keeping and then losing Parker Industries will haunt the character for years if not decades to come. It will be used casually against him almost as much as Hank Pym-616 striking Janet, except this involves more than one character's forgiveness (not that this has always helped Hank's standing in the fandom - the fact that Jan forgave him but ended their marriage as a result). Peter will now always be a mass unemployer and fraud in an era where economic pain is felt sharply. Watch one of his former employees become the next "I don't care about explanations" supervillain. What, really, was he supposed to do upon awakening as leader of this huge company? Any solution was likely to see many unemployed people. His unearned degrees were bound to cause some shame and stigma, even if he moved on those quickly. I think a more positive writer would actually find a way to give Peter some credit for keeping up the facade even for a little while. The fact that he was able to, even for a time, means to me that just as Spidey is perhaps far stronger than he is given credit for, Peter is deep down far smarter. Instead, Slott pulls a Riker on Parker. Remember how the writers of TNG liked Riker right where he was but now had to have compulsory sub-plots slamming him for not taking his own command? You can't join in the chorus of 'LOSER!' when you are the one who made the character that way - and I mean him specifically. As sure as the sun rises and sets, comics fans will witness cycles in which Peter and Johnny Storm grow and mature, only to be yanked back by writers that want to again portray them as idiots.
That's why I hate joke characters. Why write someone if they have no effect on the plot's tension or characters? It's just a terrible writing style in general.
Easily one of your best vids, man. Loved the analysis, felt like it really made me appreciate the book more. Would love if you covered comics more often, you're pretty great at it.
Dan Slott: So people really liked Superior Spider-Man? Ok, I see, henceforth Spider-Man shall always be a terrible, unlikable, and unrelatable person. Everyone: Mr. Slott, I don't feel too good.
@@GodzillaMendoza One person's opinion. But I think it's universally agreed that Zeb Wells blatantly doesn't care to even try to stay true to the characters.
"Feels like Umberto Ramos is really trying to tighten up his anatomy and perspective" Pictured on screen : Spidey with a dislocated stumpy leg flapping in the wind and two left hands.
On Dan Slott writing Peter as selfish, wasn't there a time when Pete was hiding in his subconscious when Doc Ock had Pete's body, and Doc was trying to save a little girl? How Pete tried to cut that part of his mind off from Ock and endanger the little girl for his own benefit... I couldn't believe it when I read that... That's not the Pete who learned about responsibility from Uncle Ben's death. That Pete was an absolute JERK.
@WardGamingWorld Yeah. Doc Ock had stolen Pete's body and was doing surgery on a little girl and Pete was hiding in his mind. In the story Pete tried to prevent Ock from using his mind because he would find Peter still in there. So Pete was willing to sacrifice a little girl to save himself according to Dan Slott who wrote Peter Parker as a selfish jerk. Superior Spider Man #8 and #9.
You totally nailed it. It's hard to say exactly where the problems truly began, but it's blatantly obvious where they went critical- One More Day. OMD was a story based _entirely_ around Peter Parker acting like the exact _opposite_ of Peter Parker because that was what had to happen to get the resolution the suits wanted (Peter and MJ unmarried without the baggage of divorce). So when May gets shot by a perfectly normal sniper bullet that can't be healed by the finest science or most powerful magic in the entire Marvel universe, apparently because it's "her time to die", Peter can't face the prospect of life without his mummy figure and goes to _ridiculous_ lengths to try and save her even when _May herself_ tells him to let her go and be reunited with her Ben. When it's pointed out that May might only have a couple more years of life left anyway, he whines "At least it won't be my fault!", which said it all. At the heart of the story was the idea that _nothing_ mattered more than _Peter's_ feelings, _Peter's_ inability to take responsibility for the consequences of his actions (May got shot because he changed sides in the Civil War even after he'd unmasked, making her vulnerable). And all of the Brand New Day era written by Slott that followed was built on this same ground, a selfish, self-centered Peter Parker who merely pays lip service to the "power and responsibility" moral he'd lived by for almost half a century. It was repulsive, but hopefully it seems to be _finally_ over. However, I'd still like to see a story where Peter cashes in that favour he still has with Loki for helping save his daughter that time (assuming I didn't miss something and he already had), teams up with Deadpool again for his 4th wall awareness powers of what was changed, and the three of them go kick Mephisto's ass. That'd be sweet.
@@cake6851 so you don't consider a unpolar social outcast randomly receiving powers which he doesn't have to work to control that let him peform amazing physical feats and go on crazy adventures wish fulfilment?
Spider-Man Runs are like Arrow seasons: Lee\Ditko: Arrow Season 1 Todd McFarlene run: Arrow Season 2 Dan Slott run: Seasons 3/4 J. Michael Strackzinky :Season 5 J.J Abrams: Seasons 6/7 Nick Spencer’s Run: Season 8
I rewatched this video and I felt sad. After that, I decided to re-read Spencer run. I see that many people write that this video is poorly aged, but no, absolutely not. It's still a great run. Peter again understood the meaning of responsibility. Randy returned and started dating Beetle (Tombstone's daughter). Pete and MJ are back together. Peter lost his doctorate, which received Otto. After that, he went to study with Curt Connors to get his doctorate, on one's own. Boomerang became a hero who sacrificed his life for the Spider-Man. Peter and Felicia are friends again. Carly became interesting, started dating Overdrive and became friends with MJ. Jonah met with his ghosts of the past. Stories about Curt and Billy (Billy's clone is to have the soul of the original, this is confirmed) in Hunted. Also stories about Felicia's feelings and Mary Jane's evolution after the Kraven's Last Hunt. Sergey Kravinoff promised that he would not hunt again in this life or the next, and then died fighting his clone son (Dan Slott also believed that Kraven should be dead, so he never used him in his run). Hell, I even cried over Gibbon's death. A story about Mary Jane where she saves an actress from Electro. A new all-female Sinister Syndicate. Great dialogue between Peter and Aunt May about how he doesn't want to lose MJ again, so May gives him an engagement ring to propose to Mary Jane. Teresa (Peter's sister) also returned. An epic and emotional battle between Peter and Norman-Carnage (Ryan Ottley's art is great). Miguel O'Hara got a happy ending, he now lives with his girlfriend and son. Podcast with Jonah. Gog returns and becomes Peter's pet (and I cried again when I read Gog's backstory). Return of the Sin Eater. In ASM #44, Peter explains how important MJ is to him. Team-up with Norman Osborn (for the first time in history). Creeping fight with Kindred. Good Norman. The story of Martin Lee and Aunt May. Of course, the brilliantly ASM #60, which, in my opinion, has become a modern classic. Return of Mephisto. The union of Robbie and Tombstone. The resurrection of Richard Fisk (Rose). The resurrection of Ned Leeds after his unnecessary death in the 80s. Spider-Man fought six Sinister Six. After Otto saves him, proving that even without the memories from Peter, he can be a hero. Retcon Sins Past. Explanation of Mephisto's plan. The Stacy twins are back and now they're clones. The return of Harry and the epic team-up with Peter. Pete and MJ's love defeats Mephisto and the Kindred. A mention of Peter and Mary Jane's daughter and that she will defeat Mephisto. There were so many good things about this run. Sure, Sinister War was an unfortunate arc, but I'm pretty sure it's the editors fault, not Nick's. I don't like what happened to Harry. But it's silly to call all run bad because of one bad story (it's the same as calling Straczynski's run bad because of OMD and Sins Past). It was a very emotional run in which many important events took place. There was a story of fathers and children, there was character evolution, drama, humor and the best modern Peter and Mary Jane. In my opinion, this is the best modern Spider-Man run after Straczynski. Nick Spencer's work doesn't deserve this kind of hate. He deserved respect.
I'm new to Marvel comics, and I have a friend who's been an avid Spider-man follower for years. We've both loved the new series, me because it reestablishes the character whilst also bringing in new viewers, and my friend because it fixes a lot of the stuff that happened during Slott's run. Neither of us caught the subtext that you're referencing, but it's obvious to me when you point it out. Great video!
I always thought Slot was instructed to deconstruct Spiderman because the MCU didn't own the rights to the movies during the majority of Slot's run, and the character of Spiderman was too important to cancel all his books in reaction (like they ultimately chose to do with the Fantastic Four). So you wind up with Spiderman arcs like Superior Spiderman (GREAT, but not about Peter Parker), between other arcs which push the whole post One More Day narrative, which is thoroughly awful (Parker doesn't have to be manbaby who lives with his aunt in his 30's, or single forever in order to have a good story arc, in fact it's generally the opposite that occurs in the hands of even great writers). Plus they have Miles Morales now, let him be the kid who is coming into his own, and let Parker be a seasoned hero with perspective. That's what actually works in context of the Marvel Universe's history.
Yeah. It always seemed to me that Slott's goal was to break down Peter to such a degree that he can no longer be Spiderman, that Miles will have to replace him instead.
Boneax _ Well bringing back Ben Reilly sounds great on paper and having all the alternate Spider people team up to fight vampires sounds cool. But Slott feels like the only way to raise the stakes is to ruin a character’s personality or kill off characters people like.
Underratedly, my favorite run of Spiderman comics was the Paul Jenkins and Ramos Spectacular Spiderman where he was living in a small apartment with MJ and felt very real. Loved the illustrations and all the neighbors who became great side characters.
Spencer's run by the end might've been the most convoluted thing in the history of the character... but atleast he managed to retcon Norman and Gwen banging and her getting impregnated by his Ospawn. I'll honestly take it.
Xavier, your vids are fantastic. Videos like this are well thought out, well written, and well edited. Even videos like the live streams you do with friends and the cosplay videos are always fun and engaging. I'm glad I found your channel and a place where people have similar interests, You are the man.
You explaining how Slott writes Spiderman is how Zack Snyder writes all of the DC characters. He has clearly read a bunch of comics but he absolutely shits the bed on the adaption to fit his own agenda that "superheroes kill"
Randy Robertson is such a cool spiderman character because it ties together Peter's personal life, work life, and superhero life together, since he works with Joe Robertson and takes pictures for the bugle
Spiderman is such an interesting character out of universe. Its one of the few times where the fans demand change and progress but the editors and writers (not all but you know which ones) refuse to let it happen. Fans like Mary Jane, fans like peter being married and having a kid, they like him as an adult dealing with grown up issue while also being a Hero. But editors hate it for some reason.
@@Jiub_SN It kind of blows my mind they don't cash in on that. Do a big 'ultimate universe' style 'possible future' for your entire setting, while you keep doing the 'timeless' stuff to keep the nostalgia dollars flowing.
You pretty much nailed at explaining what I hated about Slott's run too. I've been waiting for him to get replaced for years. First I thought it might happen after Superior, then maybe after Secret Wars, then maybe after Secret Empire in Legacy, but he just kept at it and he kept missing the mark completely as far as what makes Spider-Man who he is, and my personal favorite superhero. I don't even know why I kept reading during so many years. I haven't started reading Spencer's run yet (comics come a little later to my country), but this makes me feel hope for the future of my dear Spidey.
The first 30 issues of Scott's run are generally great. Starting at Brand New Day to No One Dies and ending at Spider Island are all A+ tales. Ends of the Earth was when the cracks started showing and it went downhill from there.
@@wdcain1 I felt the opposite. Brand New Day imo was awful and boring, and was so hard for me to read through. I dont think I thought a single issue of Brand New Day, with the exception of Rage of the Rhino, was anything better than mediocre. Then when Slott took the full reigns instead of being rotated, things picked up with No One Dies and Spider-Island. Then the average became okay instead of mediocre, and I loved the buildup and execution of Ends of the Earth. Doctor Octopus and the Sinister Six are such great Spider villains, and the story works pretty well. For ASM #700, I liked that specific comic, but most of Superior Spidey sucked, and everything after was hot garbage, until his final story: Go Down Swinging. So basically Slott was fine in the beginning, but for most of his run he sucked.
It's also worth noting that, in his final moments, the Slott Spider-Man has a genuine moment where he tells Peter to lighten up and enjoy his life. I think this is Spencer not so subtly telling readers that, just because Peter is actually responsible now, it doesn't mean he'll be boring.
I'm really starting to hate that 'Down on his luck, relatable guy' setting. I mean it's nice to have someone you can relate to, but the setting is just tired and overused. It doesn't make realistic sense either, I mean someone as brilliant as Peter should be able to get a job with relative ease, the guy has higher IQ than *BATMAN, f*cking BATMAN!* It gets to point where it just becomes depressing instead of relatable, and Peter being the smart guy he is should be looking for a way to improve Peter Parker's life too not just Spider-Man's! He is aware that he isn't in the best position in life yet he does nothing about it despite being one of the smartest people in fiction. It just doesn't feel in character, I mean he constantly finds out ways to improve Spiderman despite there being no need to improve as Spider-Man but he completely ignores Peter Parker like he just doesn't matter, especially when Peter Parker's life should and desperately needs to improve yet he still doesn't make it a goal when he can benefit both Spider-Man and Peter Parker if he focuses on improving Peter Parker's life?! It's just jarringly out of character for one of the smartest people in fiction and this isn't limited to Slott's Spider-Man either, most versions in most runs do this! Plus, you can still have issues as a financially stable person, pressure of keeping your life stable, personal connection to super villains and most importantly being a *DAD!* Note: I am not at all saying bring back Parker Industries, I think that we can all agree that it would be a bad idea given what is happening in the current comics. Horizon Labs worked great last time where Peter would sell tech to Horizon Labs and get money for it, this way he doesn't become super rich and can still maintain some of his relatibility, it also puts Peter's skills as a genius to good use. Something like it can work again. Make him a atleast a moderately successful guy like in renew your vows. In fact renew your vows and spider-girl comics can be great sources of inspiration, and would be good pace changers and can even change the status quo. *Let Peter grow up! Let him be a Father!*
It's so nice to see Peter Parker just be a nice guy again. That's what drew me to him when I was a kid, and kept him my favourite superhero many decades later. He's a genuinely sweet character and I'm elated that so many writers and the recent movies have re-established that. Great review!
Superior Spider-Man was where Dan Slott peaked in his Spider-Man run, if you ask me. Of course, Christ Yost wrote SpOck much better. Having said that, I don't hate Dan Slott either. Hell, I probably wouldn't have taken the full plunge into comics if it weren't for Superior Spider-Man, since the only other comic storyline I actively followed was the original Marvel Zombies saga. The only reason I even stopped reading Dan Slott's run after The Parker Luck was because I started reading other comics like Jason Aaron's Thor, Captain America: Steve Rogers (the book Nick Spencer wrote that everyone hated), and all of the Marvel NOW era Avengers titles (Avengers, New Avengers, Avengers World, and Uncanny Avengers), and that's just a few of the titles from the Marvel side I gave more attention than Dan Slott's Spider-Man run after Superior ended.
@@Double-R-Nothing 1. they made Ben Reily evil again 2. Peter made a terrible mistake that made everyone hate him AGAIN 3. Peter and MJ broke up AGAIN 4. MJ is with a dude with kids 5. Peter is working for Norman Osborn 6. Peter is trying to hook up with Black Cat
@@derekg5006 My Theory is that they project themselves too much into Peter What do i mean? They see peter as this nerd loser that lives in his aunt basement or something like that instead of recognizing that Parker has grown way past that decade's ago. So they can't accept him with someone like MJ because its clashes with their idea of Peter being an absolute loser 24/7
The only thing from Slots run I want to stick around is Otto as the Superior Spider/Octopus. Having a rival like that for Spiderman could make for great stories, and I like the character of young again Otto. Honestly I would love a book where they interact frequently both inside and outside of costume. Like a constant debate of the nature of heroism, science, and relationships.
Spencer's Spiderman run is the first Spidey run that I've actually enjoyed reading and related to Spiderman, *in years.* I'm extremely glad that the character is now safe in some responsible hands.
Yeah, Slott's writing really was an ulcer for the book for the longest time. Hoping Spencer shakes things up and can keep the momentum going. 2018 has really felt like the refresh button was hit on Spider-Man and I'm super happy about that. Well done video. You've always popped up in my feed and for whatever reason I've never actually watched a video, but this was really well done! Kudos.
Nick Spencer has reinstated my optimism for the book again because for the past ten years it felt like I was being tortured in hell under Slott's run, and I am DYING to know who the bandaged centipede demon is supposed to be. Edit after the Kindred reveal: My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Your analysis has given me a new found appreciation for the initial arc of Spencer's run, at first I thought it was ok, but your insight of the deeper meaning was an eye opener. And I can now understand what people meant by saying that Dan wasn't doing well to write the responsibility aspect. Although I have to disagree with Flash's death being lackluster I thought it was one of the best character deaths in recent comic history. I look forward to seeing more of what Spencer has in store for Spiderman. Also I wouldn't say Peter keeping the credit for Ocks work was that bad, I mean the guy did it when he stole his body, and he couldn't really admit it to being ocks without risk of divulging his secret identity.
When we hit Hunted I realised Spencer was probably going to touch on The Child Within/Best Of Enemies/Death of Harry Osborn and undo Harry's BND resurrection, and was curious to revisit my favourite story but also nervous that Spencer might fumble it. I did not expect him to retcon half the damn arc! What the hell???
"It's about comics. You know, those things no one reads and companies basically treat like supplemental material for their movie franchises." I read them, and I consider the movies to be supplementary material for the comics.
Are you a company? Like a Disney? Companies don't care about comics this much, just look what an average Marvel's movie office box and compare it to comic book sales.
After so much great buildup, it's heartbreaking to see what a mess the Kindred story ended up being. It really felt like editorial stepped in at the last minute and told Nick Spencer that he couldn't undo "One More Day" (which was clearly his plan), so we ended up getting a bunch of backpedaling and nonsensical, convoluted retcons as a result.
@@assassinsknight Either that or they are so absurdly out of touch that it's not even funny. It's really difficult to remain invested in the comics at this point.
2018 was a great year for Spider-Man he had a great(and emotional) appearance in the 4th biggest movie of all time, finally got an amazing triple A game that is argubaly one of the best superhero games ever, and had a return to form in terms of comics, and starred in one of the best animated and just movies in general of 2018.
I thought this was a fantastic breakdown and takedown of Slott. You also did something that I didn't think was possible: you revived my interest in Comic Book Spider-Man. The Slott, Post-One More Day Era stuff had essentially killed my interest for ten years. Great work.
Changing the characters to fit the story instead of the other way around reminds me a great deal of how Rian Johnson deliberately and irrationally made Luke act in the Last Jedi. He wanted to make make a story about a character losing faith in the system and being reminded of his faith though a young idealist. But that doesn't work with Luke because all of his experiences have only ever supported his commitment to the Jedi way and because Luke Skywalker is the embodiment of hope. Rian basically made Luke a failure for no reason when Luke's history was that of tribulations and eventual success that meant something definitive for the story. If Luke represents the fulfilled potential of hope you cannot make him a failiure because you are essentially saying that hope is a futile endeavor that will just disappoint you. It's all terribly nihilistic and Star Wars was never, ever nihilistic. You can test you embodiment of hope (as Luke was in in OT) but you can never make him lose hope. And this all come back to the idea of sacrificing a character because you want to tell a specific story. For Luke it's even worse because Rian didn't make Luke, Goorge Lucas did. And because of this, it feels like Rian Johnson is perfectly fine with destroying the reputation of one the best characters in fiction without actually putting in the leg work to make that character popular in the first place. Just imagine building up reputation for over 6 years in 3 movies, being an icon and an inspiration for 40 years, and then having your entire identity trashed some new guy who cares more about *his* story than *your* established character. That not cool man. It's not cool and it's not fair. It's just wrong.
I don't think that's actually true. Johnson made Luke grow as a character and realize the flaws of the Jedi. But that's just my opinion you can have yours.
@@magicthegavining I think that was Rian’s intent, but it never came across that way to me. The way he dealt with Ben was just so out of character when compared to the guy who went against what Obi-Wan said and Yoda implied to rescue Vader from the Emperor. Another TH-camr I watch (the Closer Look) suggested that there was a way to make Luke into a pessimistic asshole without doing something out of character: Luke notices Snoke is beginning to corrupt Ben, but he ignores it because the optimistic side of him fans know and love trusts Ben to make the right decision. However, Luke’s hope is ultimately misplaced and Ben destroys the Jedi Academy. As a result, we get pessimistic Luke, someone who’s now abandoned hope and the way of the Jedi because it’s failed. It works way better IMO, but Johnson I feel was too obsessed with creating his own story that he ignored the character’s traits and just shaped the character to fit his story, even when he didn’t have to.
@@magicthegavining Sorry to necro your comment, but I must insist (opinions what they are) that there is a world of difference between "realizing the flaws of the Jedi", and trying to murder your nephew because you had a bad dream about him. Don't forget that Luke refused to give up on Darth Vader, who committed atrocities outside of Luke's bad dreams. Furthermore, it was pretty plainly shown that he became pessimistic because he failed his nephew, regardless of his critiques of the Jedi order. That being said, I don't mean to attack your love of StarWars, I'm a pretty big nerd, and your comment makes it clear you love the movies, which is the most important thing imho.
I really think Dan Slott had good ideas for Spider-Man but just didn't have the skills to properly execute them. I really see this when I see other writers use his concepts and make them work. Mike Costa made a team of multi-dimensional spider-heroes awesome in _Web Warriors._ Robbie Thompson turned Silk from being Slott's Mary Sue into an interesting character and even gave crime-boss Blackcat depth and Christ Yost's _Superior Team-Up_ showed Otto trying to be a better hero by playing to his strengths instead of acting like a bully. If Dan Slott was made the executive editor of all Spider-Man comics for the last decade than I really believe it would have been a new Golden Age for the character. Instead, Slott devolved into the type of creator who enjoyed riling up his fanbase and trolling them for laughs.
Y’know, I’ve always been a spidey fan, but I couldn’t peg why I had such a tough time connecting to the Spider-Man comics in recent years. Thanks for putting it into words man, now I know I’m not crazy
Parker Industries should have stuck around... It’s stupid how much people winge about relatability when struggling for years and building your success to the point of big time success IS relatable and true to a lot of people’s lives. After years of his struggle, he finally reaches success. That’s first class character growth.
I agree. But slott made Peter an unlikeable character, when he was the CEO of Parker Industries, so association with it probably killed it in the eyes of fans.
Yeah Parker industries should have stayed longer. Working towards success IS relatable! Yeah, Dan Slott’s asshole Parker we could have done without; but Parker having a company would have done his personal growth justice.
I really pray for the day that Joe Kelly writes a comic books similar to one of the ones you mentioned, '97 Joe Kelly's Deadpool vs Daniel Way's Memepool, Madcap would play a good role in it.
WOW. The way that Dan Slot wrote Spidey is exactly how Paul Dini, and Brian Michael Bendid portrayed him in that wretched 'Ultimate Spider-Man' cartoon.
I mean... I think I'm less generous than you are regarding Slott? I think he's a bad writer who succeeds because controversy draws headlines. He's not a good writer and he's not even trying to be - his Ethos is literally the same as that used by internet trolls. "An Enraged Fan is an Engaged Fan" - because it's a whole lot easier to piss someone off than it is to write something that's JUST Engaging. Case in point, I made a comment about my own personal feelings on this writer and might catch someone's interest with it. But if I had written a bunch of insults about Dan Slott, Godzilla Mendoza, AND Nick Spencer - I would have a LOT of people commenting here either because they disagreed and wanted to sling shit at me, or because they agreed and wanted to sling shit WITH me. And in either case no one is doing anything productive.
This is so spot on, I could cry. You sir are a true spidey fan as am I. Thanks for this. It's great to see someone else who gets the true essence of the character and was well aware of how wrong he's been written for a while now. Excelsior 💥
Dan Slott once came after me on twitter because I said I dont care if spiderman fat shames his overweight villains. America is the most obese country on the planet and Spiderman is an instigator who makes jokes targeting insecurities to throw his opponents off.
I liked the Slott run a lot until Parker Industries. Peter would never be an Elon Musk type, either morally or conceptually. He's supposed to be down on his luck. I had no idea how much stupider things got after that.
@@amishasaha5975 I liked it starting at Big time and stopped liking it at Parker Industries. I also hated Spiderverse. It was just a fun comic for a while. It had new ideas and even when the writing wasn't good ("Nobody dies"), I never felt bored. Good action, new scenarios, not too much of the mystic trash. I don't remember too many issues that were just Peter moping around. It had plenty of flaws, but it was a good pace. I think Ramos was a big part of it though. I really like his action scenes.
My biggest fear right now is if for some stupid reason Slott gets the book back. I really hope he's done for good. (the occasional side story or event is fine but I mean if he gets full control)
@@crimson5pider Well I didn’t actually read it but from what I know, Harry Osborn is dead and the Harry we’ve seen in the recent comics is a clone. The real Harry created those two people who were Norman and Gwen’s kids, they were just clones and the both of them were actually Kindred and they were working for Mephisto. I honestly would’ve made Kindred a relative of Gwen Stacy. She has two cousins in the comics named Paul and Jill. Maybe they saw her as a sister and hated Spider-Man. You could say they figured out who Peter was and wanted to torture him so they both became Kindred.
I'm really glad videos like these exist to give me the rundown on comics that I don't have time for. It's greatly appreciated and a real time-saver - it's way better to hear what someone makes of it than to follow it through wikipedia or something. So thanks a lot! And Happy New Year
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Imma submit this to “poorly aged things” lol
True
What happened
The quality started to deteriorate
@@limhansyin5981 oh thanks , I already read xaviers tweets and found that he bought back sins past and shit
@@limhansyin5981 that’s saddening, well one more issue until he leaves 🤷♀️
Dan slots Spider-Man is what venom thought spider man was
Tanner Bruning
this is...amazing
That's pretty good
You actually make a valid point
What do you mean?
Evan Railman venom wanted to kill Spider-Man because he believe he was a selfish jerk who only cared about the fame he got and not actually fighting crime.
Here's the thing that Slott misses; Peter Parker isn't Spider-Man's worst enemy, Spider-Man is Peter Parker's worst enemy.
His relationships with those around him often appear toxic, but in reality he is always trying to make them right, with Spider-Man often holding him back, and the self-destruction is a result of his morals. Peter suffers because he does the right thing.
It is in many ways, as you said, out of his control really. The only thing he could do is give up being Spider-Man, which although he tries to a lot, his guilt and sense of responsibility always brings him back to it.
I say there another alternative to salvage his relationships and it’s to let more people in on his secret because a lot of the damage comes from having to ditch them seemingly without explanation because he needs to save people as Spider-Man and telling them even if they end up worrying about him and his well being they’ll ultimately either understand or if the choose not to it’s not gonna work out with them just look at pre new 52 Jaime Reyes who was able to strike that balance between his professional and social life by being open with his family best friends his girlfriend local hero’s like The Posse The JLA etc
A secret identity is extremely important but the point of one is to both maintain a life outside of super heroics and to keep your villains from finding out to protect your loved ones neither of which mean you have to keep them out
I have actually watched a video that say the opposite of that. "Spider-Man is not a Burden" is the title of it I think or the thumbnail, but it goes into depth about the original Steve Ditko and Stan Lee run of the character and how the dichotomy of Peter's and Spidey's relationship was. As it turns out it wasn’t that toxic or much of a big deal. I think really, it's supposed to be a mixture of both.
When Peter can't pay for web fluid it affects Spider-Man.
When the Villain is hunting for Spider-Man's friends it affects Peter.
Neither of them are supposed to really be the "worst enemy" because they are the same person. There is a mixture of both that is always carefully balanced.
Damn right. Good comment
@@isaacmartinez2359 can you find the link?
@@skyslasher2297 Uh, maybe include some commas and periods, please?
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how great 2018 was for Spidey?
-Spider-Man PS4
-Into the Spider-Verse
-Infinity War
-Spencer’s Amazing run
-Venom (lol)
Infinity War should NOT be on that list.
"I don't feel so good, Mr. Stark."
Also (two sad things)
-Steve Ditko's death
-Stan Lee's death
But Still 2018 was a great year for Spidey.
“It’s not a Spider-man story if someone doesn’t suffer”
Don't forget the biggest of em all...Spider-Geddon
Parker Industries is the kind of thing that would make sense if comic characters weren't meant to be serialized forever.
Hey, it still could have worked if the editors and writers wanted it to stick around... the thing is, though, you'd be left wondering how it would be able to compete with other corporations and not go under in a New York minute (*cough* Stark Industries*)
Yeah could have been a better what if story like that armoured Spider-Man from tas
Parker Industries should have been a small company that in many ways mimics spider-man's life. It should have been a personification of the small every man that occasionally punches above its weight.
That's the problem with Run Until Cancelled.
Massive cash cow copyrights like Spiderman will NEVER be fully and truly cancelled. So they have to Run Until Forever.
@@DevilfishFace Yeah. Making it on level with like Stark Industries... a bit much. But making it a smaller company or more specific field in the tech/science sector worked. Kind of like the vibe we got when Peter was in Horizon. Not a "Parker branded item" but some tech he sells to a bigger company and gets royalties to and what not. That freedom to invent but also to go out and Spider-Man.
I will forever go back to this video, just so I can go back to the days when Spider-Man comics had a bright future.
huh what happened??
Ikr, we were so close
It hurts. Bens gone again, mj has random ass kid, Felicia is a dumb rebound and Peter can’t even shove vultures eggs up his butt anymore without calling on Norman Osborn to help him. Not good at all
@@MGrey-qb5xz fucking Zeb Wells happened
@@kaiju1281 new fan who dis?
Modern Spider-Man (at least in my mind) should consider one very important thing. PETER HAS GROWN UP! He’s not a kid figuring out how to be Spider-Man or trying to get his life in order. Peter is a grown ass man, and needs to act like a grown ass man.
Well, he should be 70 something old man.
Nicodemus Edwards Marvel refuse to let peter grow up.
The very thing I love about Spider-Verse's Peter Parker is his adult dilemmas, why can't that be the status quo for once in 616 or whatever the mainstream continuity now is? Divorce, raising Mayday as a single dad, depression, etc. That would make for a compelling Peter Parker.
Steven Jan Cadena nah
@@DragONheart27X the problem is that his current problems aren't adult problems.
Slott wrote peter as more of a Scott Pilgrim then a Peter Parker.
ImBeans that’s almost exactly how I would describe it 😂, but Scott before he gains the power of SELF RESPECT at the end
When?
@@genericedgyusername3206 Obviously in the runs that godzillamendoza refers to in the video.
Which Scott Pilgrim? Book or Film? I ask because Cera's performance is very different from BookScott's demeanour.
I love the scott pilgrim books
2018 was the unofficial year of Spider-Man.
for better or worst (MCU spidey died, Flash thompson too, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko too, aunt may in the PS4 Game,a nd i that game you can actually count how many role models and mentors peter loses (if you think about it, PS4!Peter Is basically the Peter Dan Slott envisioned, But done right))
@@ianr.navahuber2195 And what is that? I don't ask out of bitterness, I've just been out of the loop for a while as far as comics are concerned.
@@pyroshell5652 whatis that? PS4! Peter being slott's spidey done right? i don't get your question
@@ianr.navahuber2195 I mean, HOW is PS4!Spidey Slott's Spidey done right? What was Slott going for that PS4 spidey succeeded at?
@@pyroshell5652 as this video shows, Slott has tried to have Peter make better use of his brains by giving him gadgets, designed by him, AND also state peter parker is his own worst enemy. this video shows slott has been hit-and-miss in that regard
THE PS4 game however has shown it can be done. first the gadgets, which are shwon to be really helpful without making spidey feel like a poor man's iron man or batman. (especially with the many suits giving him different abilities)
AND the game shows spider-man being his own worst enemy in more subtle ways. LIKE him getting evicted from his apartment because he couldn't pay rent on time. Or him and MJ breaking up because Peter worried about her too much (a justified fear, but moving on), Or him supposedly making Otto's insanity get worse due to Peter not being around enough to notice the worsening signs, justfor simply things like "spiey stuff" or "personal stuff", and the same goes for Him not getting to spend enough time with Aunt May for simple things anyone could be doing, or more important things like spidey saving people (and one could argue the same goes to Yuri). That is actually a great way to make Spidey/Pete his own wosrt enemy, while keeping his status of "the underdog that the univese uses as punching bag" (after all, there is no one pete would know that doing a simple personal stuff like searching his things that were thrown to garbage for not being able to pay rent would lead to him spening less time with aunt may before his death).
ALSO how at the end Pete wants to avoid doing any important science stuff besides gadgets out of fear and guilt to what happened to Otto. That's a better way to set pete as his own worst enemy then Slott did (especially the moment when pete was this close of using the cure only on may, only to restrain himself, despite how much it hurts).
That's why i think PS4! Peter and Spidey are Slott's Peter and Spider-Man done right
...so...this dude purposefully wrote stories that he thought people would get pissed off at...because he thought them being angry was a sign of passion, which sure, it is, and he thought that making fans angry *on purpose* ...would actually...keep them invested...?
Bu-...I-...I can't even like...think of how to properly respond to this in words, so I'll just say: "EA is on the line and they want some tips for marketing."
That's Dan Slott for you.
I think he was trying to burn the whole thing down because he disagreed with editorial about the book.
@Wally Webbs Except the comedians in question mostly get their value through the people that love them. The people that hate them is largely a side effect of making people like them, rather than another intended advantage.
Sure, clout from hate can be beneficial too, but is much less likely to get you viewers or tickets to your show or whatever, than positive attention does.
And clout is only valuable when you're an unknown. Negative clout is beneficial since even if people give you negative attention, getting people to talk about you, even if it's negative, will get people to hear about you, and some of those people are bound to get interested. Spider man though? Just about *everyone* knows about spider man, there's nearly no benefit in 'getting people to hear about you', since they almost certainly already have.
And nevertheless, as much as negative attention can give you a *spike* in popularity, people will eventually ignore it completely. People like shitting on bad things, but if it brings a negative reading experience then people will just stop checking it out after enough time. It may have garnered some sales at the time of release, but it may have had some permanent damage on the spider man brand.
Not to mention as much as it can situationally be good marketing, it's still terrible artistry. Deliberately making shit content that sells is not very respectable, especially with an already-beloved franchise.
never seen someone's hopes get crushed this hard
hot redhead destroys fat man with logic and facts episode #273
dragon stare24 actually this is #describeavideocompletelyaccuratelyonehundredpercentrealdescription
@dragon stare24 FAT MAN BAD
at first i was confused because i thought you meant Mary Jane, then i rememberd that Xavier is a ginger, so now i feel stupid.
hot redhead DESTROYS fat man with LOGIC and FACTS episode #273
2018 was definitely a breath of fresh air as a spider-man fan.
Stix N' Stones
I'd rather forget that dumpsterfire.
Could have been something much better if they went for a more mature story.
darkknightfan75 movies games and comics oh my
Stix N' Stones the story was cliche as hell but Tom hardy was pretty good.
Edit: it’s like eating a delicious grilled chicken sandwich. The chicken is good but you got to pick off the tomato.
NO SHUT THE FUCK UP (jk lol)
Dan “the main bad guy in the ps4 game” Slott
That’s an insult to PS4 Otto.
Dan “Mr. Doc Ock Fetish” Slott
Slotto Octavius
@@ArtTwinkApril It's more than that. Otto in Spider-Man PS4 tries to do what he thinks is right but insists that his way is better than everyone else' way. Instead of trying to change Norman he changes himself and stoops to his level to smite him. Instead of changing the story to fit the characters Dan Slot changes the characters to fit his story. Ottos character changed in the same way Slot changes his characters. Both do it because it's convenient for their goals but end up sacrificing what made their characters so great to begin with.
And now I officially can’t unsee that, thanks.
“I can’t wait to see what he’s gonna do with this new villain…”
No…no no no…
A superhero led astray by bad writing for years and then brought back to form by another writer who opens his run by shitting all over the previous run.
Reminds me of Garth Ennis when he opened up Welcome Back Frank.
Am I the only one who compared the first ark to that one episode of Danny phantom
Between the return to form Spencer is writing, the way the newest video game finally matures the character and how the most recent Spidey movie shows what it truly means to be Spider-Man for all of us, I'd say Spidey is back on track to be the hero we all love and cherish :)
Honestly Spiderman stories these days just seem to want to smash the bullshit that came out after One More Day. Spiderman has a meaningful relationship with MJ in the game and deals with hard adult stuff in the movie, Aunt May is actually allowed to die and Spiderman in the game has the choice to save her at the expense of making a VERY POOR decision and unlike One More Day, he doesn't take it and lets nature take its course. The movie, as far as I am aware, shows that being Spiderman is not a fun thing and is taking a toll on Peter and now all the dumb shit in modern Spiderman is being criticized. Seeing all this makes me feel very optimistic and I don't even follow Spiderman comics currently. Spiderman is allowed to love, learn and lose in meaningful ways.
There is a reason Spider-Man is in front of everybody
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He's the Marvel Comics equivalent to Mickey Mouse for Disney or Bugs for Warner Brothers, no other character sums up the human element that Marvel so great.
Except he's not voiced by josh Keaton anymore
That ending was so great, it brought a tear to my eye. I know it might sound silly, but after Ultimate Peter died I had this sense of pain in my stomach, and I cried over the fact that in none of the universes, 616 post OMD, Ultimate, the 90's animated series, or even the Rami-verse (if you count the leaked script as canon,) do MJ and Pete end up together. They've been my OTP since day one, seeing them back together makes me so happy.
This video was so great GM. You've got such an amazing channel and I'm so glad there are kind YT'ers like you out here to lead the pack for the rest of us. Thanks for the video!
Well, they did brought back Ultimate Peter and he drived off into the sunset with MJ. But then that universe got destroyed... or something? I don't know.
Renew Your Vows.
@@TIMMUT17 Yeah, but then Bendis decided to bring the Ultimate universe at the end of Spider-Men II in the most forced way possible.
@@viewtifulvash6068 And what happenef with Ultimate Peter? Is he alright? He is my favorite.
@@TIMMUT17 He and MJ are still together.
Dan slott writes Peter Parker like Eddie Brock
Hey, Eddie isn't a bad guy nowadays.
@@JackClockerinos ok, then Norman Osborn?
@@red-arachnid1284 Sure.
J jonah Jameson
@@brenchbry3817 yea, but it doesn't seem that he has something agains him anymore (in the comics atleast)
Nick Spencer came so close to undoing One More Day and then zeb wells and pAuL happened
Safe to say that the character we all know and love is finally back. Comics, games, and films. Now if we could just get a good Spider-Man Animated series...
Or if they REALLY wanted to win us over they could just bring back a certain Spider-Man animated series that was loved by the fandom and was canceled much too soon....Oh Spectacular Spider-Man, how I miss you.
Ultimate wasn't so bad...
@@DevilHunter1994 they should just brong spectacular back... I need s3 dammit
Jack Clock it wasn’t so good either
@@Mr.Rodgers7 They revive Clone Wars, they can revive Spectacular Spider-Man too, I believe
I swear 2018 is the best spiderman year in a long, long time.
it honestly has been. and I thought he was gonna ruin it even more
Exactly!
@BazKar very tru, while i had my gripe with him being spiderman at the time I couldn't deny how great superior spiderman was, kinda a sucks how he had to go through the same character development instead of something new
Definitely
It really has, it's honestly insane just how much great Spidey stuff we've had this year.
I’m starting to think he’s a Spider-Man fan: I just think
Peter acting responsible is fan service enough
"An enraged fan is an engaged fan"? That never works with me. Stories that consistently "enrage" me are also the ones I consistently lose interest in. What a stupid quote...
That quote alone just told me that slott is a thundering dumbass
Even if Slott said that, he’s not the most infuriating Marvel writer to live by that mantra. Rick Remender is, by a long shot.
@@Gemnist98 Jesus Christ. Marvels got a hell ton of infuriating writers over the few years. ANAD is also what I like to all just, the death of marvel comics.
@Jacob Wood Remender is known for creating these big, game-changing storylines in every other issue for nothing more than sheer shock value. In Uncanny Avengers for example, he murdered half the team and destroyed the world, only to bring it back a few issues later. In Captain America, his first arc involved Cap basically going through an Old Man Logan arc - which is fine, until he uses the opportunity to kill Sharon Carter and make Cap an old man with no powers for several years. And in Rise of Ultron, he needlessly killed off Hank Pym. Again, none of these stories were built up, they were all for shock value, but I hear his creator-owned work is actually pretty good.
Oh, and there was the one time he told his questioning fans to “drown yourselves in hobo piss”, but that’s a bit unrelated.
@@bichonnation9494 I don’t think any of the writers they have are objectively bad or infuriating. ANAD is over and done with, as are the majority of relaunches, and with that change came a lot of the writers moving on to bigger and better things. It wasn’t too long ago that Nick Spencer was the most hated writer at Marvel, and yet, here we are with everyone praising the hell out of him for his current stuff. Even Dan Slott, I’ve heard good things about Fantastic Four and Iron Man, and his Silver Surfer run is considered one of the best comics of the decade.
Man I thought you were gonna be super annoying with your opinion but you're actually chill as heck and well thought out
Okay, am I the only one who compared the first ark to that one episode of Danny phantom
No opinion is annoying
@@thatoneguy5347 oh yeah where they were split
@@Mirrorcomics24 disagree
Sounds like you're the one with the annoying opinions
Do you think that the hobo-depressed Alternate Universe Spider-Man from Into the Spiderverse was also a jab at Slott's version of Spider-Man?
Yup. definitely.
Sk8erclone What I love about ITSV's Peter B. And SMPS4's ending is that they're basically a middle finger to what OMD did and what it stands for
Wait didn’t slott write that book
@@marcobrilli8669 hell they even said the words "Mary Jane Parker"
Been years since we heard that
@@thermax44 The Movie Into the Spider-Verse, not the book he wrote.
"An enraged fan is an engaged fan"
*looks at the sonic fanbase*
Well he's not wrong.
You took the words out of my mouth. Now, if only Sonic could get a return to form like Spidey did (outside his movie, that is).
@@smashmaster521 yeah sonic was my childhood
@@smashmaster521 for a second i thought we were getting that when sonic mania came out. then forces was the slap back to reality game that said "dont get used to it we still like pumping out trash"
@@smashmaster521 This aged WELL
@@lolstalgic9602 How was I supposed to know we'd get a crappy Spider-Man after Spencer's run ended?
It's honestly heartbreaking how far the Spencer run fell from grace. It was truly a light at the end of the tunnel, shame it tripped when it mattered most.
"Writes the characters to fit the story, instead of writing a story to fit the characters." Hit the nail on the head there. Just look at what Tom King is doing with Batman. Batman/Bruce is barely noticeable. Just an angry, borderline crazy, jerk making stupid decisions. It's OK with obscure characters. But with Characters as established as Spidey and Batman, it ruins the stories for me.
"It's OK with obscure characters..."
No. It isn't. It NEVER is ok. In fact, it's this kind of thinking that allowed writers like Slot and Tim King to eventually corrupt the more obvious guys. If you won't even stand up for the littlest of little guys within a given company, what makes you think the actual creators are going to care about changing the big name guys? You wanna blame someone for what's happened, what's happening, and what will continue to happen, start with yourself and punch yourself REALLY hard so that maybe your head's screwed on straight.
i never read Tom King's comics, but from what you said it looks like Frank Miller's more recent Batman, is King's run like All Star Batman?
@@VunderGuy if obscure characters weren't allowed to change, we'd be stuck with the fat german Iceman. and we'd never have got the amazing Bruce Timm animated series version, with the tragic backstory and all.
VunderGuy Jesus man. Eat a snickers.
Tom King lost me, when he had Catwoman leave Batman at the altar “Cauze Batman can’t be Batman if he’s married”. It’s not like heroes like Mr Fantastic have been hitched for decades, but spouses ruin grouchness.
What Slott may or may not realize is that his thing with slamming Peter for keeping and then losing Parker Industries will haunt the character for years if not decades to come. It will be used casually against him almost as much as Hank Pym-616 striking Janet, except this involves more than one character's forgiveness (not that this has always helped Hank's standing in the fandom - the fact that Jan forgave him but ended their marriage as a result). Peter will now always be a mass unemployer and fraud in an era where economic pain is felt sharply. Watch one of his former employees become the next "I don't care about explanations" supervillain.
What, really, was he supposed to do upon awakening as leader of this huge company? Any solution was likely to see many unemployed people. His unearned degrees were bound to cause some shame and stigma, even if he moved on those quickly. I think a more positive writer would actually find a way to give Peter some credit for keeping up the facade even for a little while. The fact that he was able to, even for a time, means to me that just as Spidey is perhaps far stronger than he is given credit for, Peter is deep down far smarter. Instead, Slott pulls a Riker on Parker. Remember how the writers of TNG liked Riker right where he was but now had to have compulsory sub-plots slamming him for not taking his own command? You can't join in the chorus of 'LOSER!' when you are the one who made the character that way - and I mean him specifically.
As sure as the sun rises and sets, comics fans will witness cycles in which Peter and Johnny Storm grow and mature, only to be yanked back by writers that want to again portray them as idiots.
Wait, how has Johnny Storm gone through the Peter Parker Cycle?
That's why I hate joke characters.
Why write someone if they have no effect on the plot's tension or characters?
It's just a terrible writing style in general.
*You swear you’re not a Spider-Man channel, Xavier*
*But you are, and you always will be* 😂😂😂😂😂😊😊😊😊
bomb squad channel*
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Easily one of your best vids, man. Loved the analysis, felt like it really made me appreciate the book more. Would love if you covered comics more often, you're pretty great at it.
Hoooo boy, at least Spencer was able to undo Sins Past, since editorial clearly doesn’t want him to touch One More Day
Dan Slott: So people really liked Superior Spider-Man? Ok, I see, henceforth Spider-Man shall always be a terrible, unlikable, and unrelatable person.
Everyone: Mr. Slott, I don't feel too good.
What Dan did. I felt I was shot through my heart
Am I the only one who compared the first ark to that one episode of Danny phantom
Superior spider-man only worked because it was ock and not peter
@@skywaffles6674 yeah, it's like if they decided to make Batman (or the Robins) a gun weilding anti hero because people liked the Red Hood
@@ride-playerbb2818 Ummmm...they kind of did...no offense to Ben Afflick but...yeah...
I'm so glad you understand both Spider-Man AND Peter. Your Spidey videos are very watchable. Thanks!
This is so said to watch when you know that Zeb Wells and Paul happened😢
They could’ve let Nick Spencer to continue run😔
Dan slott is tryin to shut down the bomb squad
Ajay Judge never
Noooooooooooooo
That sonuva bitch
*i am the bomb squad*
@@FloydSchooledCanelo Vegeta: KILL HIM!
Sorry, your quote was so close to "I AM THE HYPE" that I had to quote DBZ Abridged anyways.
And then Zeb Wells got his hands on the title and the quality plummeted like a lead weight.
It plummeted before the Spencer run ended. This video is so hilariously out of date
@@GodzillaMendoza One person's opinion. But I think it's universally agreed that Zeb Wells blatantly doesn't care to even try to stay true to the characters.
@@GodzillaMendoza I honestly think Spencer was going to retcon OMD but the editors didn’t let him.
@@GodzillaMendoza did you ever make a new post after this?
I swearr i think I saw a thumbnails for a video that came after this
@@brewmaster2912 yup Cebulski gwen fanboy and Nick Lower did not let Spencer undo OMD. Spencer was going to make MJ and peter married again
"Feels like Umberto Ramos is really trying to tighten up his anatomy and perspective"
Pictured on screen : Spidey with a dislocated stumpy leg flapping in the wind and two left hands.
To be fair, he did say Ramos was TRYING to tighten up his anatomy and perspective.
On Dan Slott writing Peter as selfish, wasn't there a time when Pete was hiding in his subconscious when Doc Ock had Pete's body, and Doc was trying to save a little girl? How Pete tried to cut that part of his mind off from Ock and endanger the little girl for his own benefit... I couldn't believe it when I read that... That's not the Pete who learned about responsibility from Uncle Ben's death. That Pete was an absolute JERK.
@WardGamingWorld Yeah. Doc Ock had stolen Pete's body and was doing surgery on a little girl and Pete was hiding in his mind. In the story Pete tried to prevent Ock from using his mind because he would find Peter still in there. So Pete was willing to sacrifice a little girl to save himself according to Dan Slott who wrote Peter Parker as a selfish jerk.
Superior Spider Man #8 and #9.
You totally nailed it. It's hard to say exactly where the problems truly began, but it's blatantly obvious where they went critical- One More Day. OMD was a story based _entirely_ around Peter Parker acting like the exact _opposite_ of Peter Parker because that was what had to happen to get the resolution the suits wanted (Peter and MJ unmarried without the baggage of divorce). So when May gets shot by a perfectly normal sniper bullet that can't be healed by the finest science or most powerful magic in the entire Marvel universe, apparently because it's "her time to die", Peter can't face the prospect of life without his mummy figure and goes to _ridiculous_ lengths to try and save her even when _May herself_ tells him to let her go and be reunited with her Ben. When it's pointed out that May might only have a couple more years of life left anyway, he whines "At least it won't be my fault!", which said it all. At the heart of the story was the idea that _nothing_ mattered more than _Peter's_ feelings, _Peter's_ inability to take responsibility for the consequences of his actions (May got shot because he changed sides in the Civil War even after he'd unmasked, making her vulnerable). And all of the Brand New Day era written by Slott that followed was built on this same ground, a selfish, self-centered Peter Parker who merely pays lip service to the "power and responsibility" moral he'd lived by for almost half a century. It was repulsive, but hopefully it seems to be _finally_ over.
However, I'd still like to see a story where Peter cashes in that favour he still has with Loki for helping save his daughter that time (assuming I didn't miss something and he already had), teams up with Deadpool again for his 4th wall awareness powers of what was changed, and the three of them go kick Mephisto's ass. That'd be sweet.
Peter was a self-insert power fantasy for for Slott. He’s not the character we’ve known and loved for the better part of a century.
Peter has always been a self insert power fantasy.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Kind of? I mean most of the time spiderman is used as sexual power fantasy for writers but outside that nah.
@@cake6851 so you don't consider a unpolar social outcast randomly receiving powers which he doesn't have to work to control that let him peform amazing physical feats and go on crazy adventures wish fulfilment?
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yeah because more often than not its pretty shitty to be peter parker
Kye Dysarthria James bond is a power fantasy, Spider-Man is relatable.
Spider-Man Runs are like Arrow seasons:
Lee\Ditko: Arrow Season 1
Todd McFarlene run: Arrow Season 2
Dan Slott run: Seasons 3/4
J. Michael Strackzinky :Season 5
J.J Abrams: Seasons 6/7
Nick Spencer’s Run: Season 8
So you erased Strackzynski run? Well... Good.
Wait season 5 is that good?
I think you missed some runs. Like, A LOT of them.
Ultimate Spider-Man 1610 what about Romita Sr?
@@donnyjoe123 I think we can lump that in with the Lee/Ditko era.
We need a follow up on this, especially after you’ve teased it in two videos.
Thank you so much, today was a hard day but this makes it better
niko123455ify you’re not alone
Glad I could help!
Things will get better. Hang in there
I always thought Spencer was taking jabs at Slott's run but it went way deeper than i thought damn, I love his run even more now
I rewatched this video and I felt sad. After that, I decided to re-read Spencer run. I see that many people write that this video is poorly aged, but no, absolutely not. It's still a great run. Peter again understood the meaning of responsibility. Randy returned and started dating Beetle (Tombstone's daughter). Pete and MJ are back together. Peter lost his doctorate, which received Otto. After that, he went to study with Curt Connors to get his doctorate, on one's own. Boomerang became a hero who sacrificed his life for the Spider-Man. Peter and Felicia are friends again. Carly became interesting, started dating Overdrive and became friends with MJ. Jonah met with his ghosts of the past. Stories about Curt and Billy (Billy's clone is to have the soul of the original, this is confirmed) in Hunted. Also stories about Felicia's feelings and Mary Jane's evolution after the Kraven's Last Hunt. Sergey Kravinoff promised that he would not hunt again in this life or the next, and then died fighting his clone son (Dan Slott also believed that Kraven should be dead, so he never used him in his run). Hell, I even cried over Gibbon's death. A story about Mary Jane where she saves an actress from Electro. A new all-female Sinister Syndicate. Great dialogue between Peter and Aunt May about how he doesn't want to lose MJ again, so May gives him an engagement ring to propose to Mary Jane. Teresa (Peter's sister) also returned. An epic and emotional battle between Peter and Norman-Carnage (Ryan Ottley's art is great). Miguel O'Hara got a happy ending, he now lives with his girlfriend and son. Podcast with Jonah. Gog returns and becomes Peter's pet (and I cried again when I read Gog's backstory). Return of the Sin Eater. In ASM #44, Peter explains how important MJ is to him. Team-up with Norman Osborn (for the first time in history). Creeping fight with Kindred. Good Norman. The story of Martin Lee and Aunt May. Of course, the brilliantly ASM #60, which, in my opinion, has become a modern classic. Return of Mephisto. The union of Robbie and Tombstone. The resurrection of Richard Fisk (Rose). The resurrection of Ned Leeds after his unnecessary death in the 80s. Spider-Man fought six Sinister Six. After Otto saves him, proving that even without the memories from Peter, he can be a hero. Retcon Sins Past. Explanation of Mephisto's plan. The Stacy twins are back and now they're clones. The return of Harry and the epic team-up with Peter. Pete and MJ's love defeats Mephisto and the Kindred. A mention of Peter and Mary Jane's daughter and that she will defeat Mephisto. There were so many good things about this run. Sure, Sinister War was an unfortunate arc, but I'm pretty sure it's the editors fault, not Nick's. I don't like what happened to Harry. But it's silly to call all run bad because of one bad story (it's the same as calling Straczynski's run bad because of OMD and Sins Past). It was a very emotional run in which many important events took place. There was a story of fathers and children, there was character evolution, drama, humor and the best modern Peter and Mary Jane. In my opinion, this is the best modern Spider-Man run after Straczynski. Nick Spencer's work doesn't deserve this kind of hate. He deserved respect.
I feel like Marvel editorial didn't like where Spencer's run was going and forced him to cut and end things early
@@spiderking203 I think so too. Straczynski's run also suffered from editors (Sins Past, OMD), now Spencer's run suffered from editors. It is sad.
@@spiderking203 oh yeah! As far as I'm concerned, status quo's are comic book poison. Not just for Marvel, but for all comics.
HUZZAH!! A man of quality! (Sorry, after reading this, I had to compliment you with a reference)
@@spiderking203 they wanted him to end because it was an awful run
I'm new to Marvel comics, and I have a friend who's been an avid Spider-man follower for years. We've both loved the new series, me because it reestablishes the character whilst also bringing in new viewers, and my friend because it fixes a lot of the stuff that happened during Slott's run. Neither of us caught the subtext that you're referencing, but it's obvious to me when you point it out. Great video!
I always thought Slot was instructed to deconstruct Spiderman because the MCU didn't own the rights to the movies during the majority of Slot's run, and the character of Spiderman was too important to cancel all his books in reaction (like they ultimately chose to do with the Fantastic Four). So you wind up with Spiderman arcs like Superior Spiderman (GREAT, but not about Peter Parker), between other arcs which push the whole post One More Day narrative, which is thoroughly awful (Parker doesn't have to be manbaby who lives with his aunt in his 30's, or single forever in order to have a good story arc, in fact it's generally the opposite that occurs in the hands of even great writers). Plus they have Miles Morales now, let him be the kid who is coming into his own, and let Parker be a seasoned hero with perspective. That's what actually works in context of the Marvel Universe's history.
Yeah. It always seemed to me that Slott's goal was to break down Peter to such a degree that he can no longer be Spiderman, that Miles will have to replace him instead.
Slott is the biggest ideas man ever. The concepts he introduces are cool but he's a complete hack when it comes to actually writing them.
Agreed, although not all of his concepts are great
Boneax _ Well bringing back Ben Reilly sounds great on paper and having all the alternate Spider people team up to fight vampires sounds cool. But Slott feels like the only way to raise the stakes is to ruin a character’s personality or kill off characters people like.
yeah the Red Goblin idea was really cool but the way it was written was kind of lack luster
the idea of parker industries was good on paper ive always thought it was good character growth that he be next generation tony stark
@@sharinganZERO23 It should have stopped at New Horizons. It was a perfect fit for Peter and was long over due.
"An _enraged_ fan is an _engaged_ fan."
These days that's likely the fastest way to get Pirate fans.
Underratedly, my favorite run of Spiderman comics was the Paul Jenkins and Ramos Spectacular Spiderman where he was living in a small apartment with MJ and felt very real.
Loved the illustrations and all the neighbors who became great side characters.
Spencer's run by the end might've been the most convoluted thing in the history of the character... but atleast he managed to retcon Norman and Gwen banging and her getting impregnated by his Ospawn. I'll honestly take it.
As a childhood fan of Spider-Man and how bittersweet 2018 was, one of the good things was that it gave me pride in being a Spider-Man fan again
Xavier, your vids are fantastic. Videos like this are well thought out, well written, and well edited. Even videos like the live streams you do with friends and the cosplay videos are always fun and engaging. I'm glad I found your channel and a place where people have similar interests, You are the man.
I really needed this, life’s been a little rough the past couple months in fact this year has been really had but that’s enough, thanks man
I'm sorry dude, hope 2019 will be better
You explaining how Slott writes Spiderman is how Zack Snyder writes all of the DC characters. He has clearly read a bunch of comics but he absolutely shits the bed on the adaption to fit his own agenda that "superheroes kill"
Anyways great video as always man
Randy Robertson is such a cool spiderman character because it ties together Peter's personal life, work life, and superhero life together, since he works with Joe Robertson and takes pictures for the bugle
Oh wow... I knew I'd seen this video before.... wild
Spiderman is such an interesting character out of universe. Its one of the few times where the fans demand change and progress but the editors and writers (not all but you know which ones) refuse to let it happen. Fans like Mary Jane, fans like peter being married and having a kid, they like him as an adult dealing with grown up issue while also being a Hero. But editors hate it for some reason.
Because if Pete grows, every other character will have to across the comics.
@@Jiub_SN It kind of blows my mind they don't cash in on that. Do a big 'ultimate universe' style 'possible future' for your entire setting, while you keep doing the 'timeless' stuff to keep the nostalgia dollars flowing.
You pretty much nailed at explaining what I hated about Slott's run too. I've been waiting for him to get replaced for years. First I thought it might happen after Superior, then maybe after Secret Wars, then maybe after Secret Empire in Legacy, but he just kept at it and he kept missing the mark completely as far as what makes Spider-Man who he is, and my personal favorite superhero. I don't even know why I kept reading during so many years. I haven't started reading Spencer's run yet (comics come a little later to my country), but this makes me feel hope for the future of my dear Spidey.
I really don't understand how Marvel kept him for more than 10 years with more than 100 issues
The first 30 issues of Scott's run are generally great. Starting at Brand New Day to No One Dies and ending at Spider Island are all A+ tales. Ends of the Earth was when the cracks started showing and it went downhill from there.
@@wdcain1 I felt the opposite. Brand New Day imo was awful and boring, and was so hard for me to read through. I dont think I thought a single issue of Brand New Day, with the exception of Rage of the Rhino, was anything better than mediocre. Then when Slott took the full reigns instead of being rotated, things picked up with No One Dies and Spider-Island. Then the average became okay instead of mediocre, and I loved the buildup and execution of Ends of the Earth. Doctor Octopus and the Sinister Six are such great Spider villains, and the story works pretty well. For ASM #700, I liked that specific comic, but most of Superior Spidey sucked, and everything after was hot garbage, until his final story: Go Down Swinging. So basically Slott was fine in the beginning, but for most of his run he sucked.
It's also worth noting that, in his final moments, the Slott Spider-Man has a genuine moment where he tells Peter to lighten up and enjoy his life. I think this is Spencer not so subtly telling readers that, just because Peter is actually responsible now, it doesn't mean he'll be boring.
I'm really starting to hate that 'Down on his luck, relatable guy' setting. I mean it's nice to have someone you can relate to, but the setting is just tired and overused. It doesn't make realistic sense either, I mean someone as brilliant as Peter should be able to get a job with relative ease, the guy has higher IQ than *BATMAN, f*cking BATMAN!* It gets to point where it just becomes depressing instead of relatable, and Peter being the smart guy he is should be looking for a way to improve Peter Parker's life too not just Spider-Man's! He is aware that he isn't in the best position in life yet he does nothing about it despite being one of the smartest people in fiction. It just doesn't feel in character, I mean he constantly finds out ways to improve Spiderman despite there being no need to improve as Spider-Man but he completely ignores Peter Parker like he just doesn't matter, especially when Peter Parker's life should and desperately needs to improve yet he still doesn't make it a goal when he can benefit both Spider-Man and Peter Parker if he focuses on improving Peter Parker's life?! It's just jarringly out of character for one of the smartest people in fiction and this isn't limited to Slott's Spider-Man either, most versions in most runs do this! Plus, you can still have issues as a financially stable person, pressure of keeping your life stable, personal connection to super villains and most importantly being a *DAD!*
Note: I am not at all saying bring back Parker Industries, I think that we can all agree that it would be a bad idea given what is happening in the current comics. Horizon Labs worked great last time where Peter would sell tech to Horizon Labs and get money for it, this way he doesn't become super rich and can still maintain some of his relatibility, it also puts Peter's skills as a genius to good use. Something like it can work again. Make him a atleast a moderately successful guy like in renew your vows. In fact renew your vows and spider-girl comics can be great sources of inspiration, and would be good pace changers and can even change the status quo.
*Let Peter grow up! Let him be a Father!*
It's so nice to see Peter Parker just be a nice guy again. That's what drew me to him when I was a kid, and kept him my favourite superhero many decades later. He's a genuinely sweet character and I'm elated that so many writers and the recent movies have re-established that. Great review!
I don't hate Slott, I actually really like Superior Spider-Man and a couple of other story arcs he wrote. But yes, Nick Spencer is way better.
Superior Spider-Man was where Dan Slott peaked in his Spider-Man run, if you ask me. Of course, Christ Yost wrote SpOck much better.
Having said that, I don't hate Dan Slott either. Hell, I probably wouldn't have taken the full plunge into comics if it weren't for Superior Spider-Man, since the only other comic storyline I actively followed was the original Marvel Zombies saga. The only reason I even stopped reading Dan Slott's run after The Parker Luck was because I started reading other comics like Jason Aaron's Thor, Captain America: Steve Rogers (the book Nick Spencer wrote that everyone hated), and all of the Marvel NOW era Avengers titles (Avengers, New Avengers, Avengers World, and Uncanny Avengers), and that's just a few of the titles from the Marvel side I gave more attention than Dan Slott's Spider-Man run after Superior ended.
Superior Spider-Man is the only good thing he wrote.
Was Carly Cooper wearing a creeper shirt.
Yes, unfortunately.
"Hey guys, did you know videos games? We knew video games."
@@lastmanstanding7155 Dan "How do you do, fellow kids?" Slott
I like mincraft. It's a ok game. But I wish there was at least a quest.
Gamer girl
@@solidspider6509 mine craft does have a quest it's called build and venture :/
I swear, the Marvel editorial staff are actively looking at this to find new ways to badly age it even further
I wouldn't be surprised if they only got their jobs because they watched the MCU Infinity Saga & winged it from there.
*Sigh* What did they do this time?
@@Double-R-Nothing
1. they made Ben Reily evil again
2. Peter made a terrible mistake that made everyone hate him AGAIN
3. Peter and MJ broke up AGAIN
4. MJ is with a dude with kids
5. Peter is working for Norman Osborn
6. Peter is trying to hook up with Black Cat
@@Leonheart039 christ almighty why do these writers hate mj so much
@@derekg5006 My Theory is that they project themselves too much into Peter
What do i mean? They see peter as this nerd loser that lives in his aunt basement or something like that instead of recognizing that Parker has grown way past that decade's ago. So they can't accept him with someone like MJ because its clashes with their idea of Peter being an absolute loser 24/7
The only thing from Slots run I want to stick around is Otto as the Superior Spider/Octopus. Having a rival like that for Spiderman could make for great stories, and I like the character of young again Otto.
Honestly I would love a book where they interact frequently both inside and outside of costume. Like a constant debate of the nature of heroism, science, and relationships.
dude that sounds so fucking cool
Spencer's Spiderman run is the first Spidey run that I've actually enjoyed reading and related to Spiderman, *in years.* I'm extremely glad that the character is now safe in some responsible hands.
Yeah, Slott's writing really was an ulcer for the book for the longest time. Hoping Spencer shakes things up and can keep the momentum going. 2018 has really felt like the refresh button was hit on Spider-Man and I'm super happy about that. Well done video. You've always popped up in my feed and for whatever reason I've never actually watched a video, but this was really well done! Kudos.
Nick Spencer has reinstated my optimism for the book again because for the past ten years it felt like I was being tortured in hell under Slott's run, and I am DYING to know who the bandaged centipede demon is supposed to be.
Edit after the Kindred reveal: My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
It's Dan Slott
The first half the Slott run was not that bad! Yes, second half was bad, no argument there, but the first half was fun and treated Peter well.
@@tayojones9460 issue 801 was a great sendoff for Slott in my opinion
is that his name? bandage centipide demon? cause thats a really cool name
@@BrenoRanyere No, we're still waiting to find out the name of it.
Your analysis has given me a new found appreciation for the initial arc of Spencer's run, at first I thought it was ok, but your insight of the deeper meaning was an eye opener. And I can now understand what people meant by saying that Dan wasn't doing well to write the responsibility aspect. Although I have to disagree with Flash's death being lackluster I thought it was one of the best character deaths in recent comic history. I look forward to seeing more of what Spencer has in store for Spiderman. Also I wouldn't say Peter keeping the credit for Ocks work was that bad, I mean the guy did it when he stole his body, and he couldn't really admit it to being ocks without risk of divulging his secret identity.
When we hit Hunted I realised Spencer was probably going to touch on The Child Within/Best Of Enemies/Death of Harry Osborn and undo Harry's BND resurrection, and was curious to revisit my favourite story but also nervous that Spencer might fumble it.
I did not expect him to retcon half the damn arc! What the hell???
This video essay is amazing. Thank you for outlining all of that. My opinion on Spencer’s first arc has completely flipped!
"It's about comics. You know, those things no one reads and companies basically treat like supplemental material for their movie franchises."
I read them, and I consider the movies to be supplementary material for the comics.
Are you a company? Like a Disney? Companies don't care about comics this much, just look what an average Marvel's movie office box and compare it to comic book sales.
@@looniemoonie5955 Thing is, those movies wouldn't even if exist if they didn't have decades of comic stories to draw upon for material.
This is honestly some of your best work yet, and not just because it was another Spider-Man video. I can’t wait to see what comes next.
After so much great buildup, it's heartbreaking to see what a mess the Kindred story ended up being. It really felt like editorial stepped in at the last minute and told Nick Spencer that he couldn't undo "One More Day" (which was clearly his plan), so we ended up getting a bunch of backpedaling and nonsensical, convoluted retcons as a result.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Editorial staff fucked this all up
That is speculation and doesn’t even make sense
@@paulakroy2635 What doesn't make sense is where the story ended up when it was very clearly heading in another direction.
@@joshuanelson6795 Look at where we are now. Marvel editorial really hates OG spider-man readers.
@@assassinsknight Either that or they are so absurdly out of touch that it's not even funny. It's really difficult to remain invested in the comics at this point.
Nick deserves a big hug from spidey fans. Is there some where we can send him fan letters or something
Peter and Ben Reilly should be best friends again
2018 was a great year for Spider-Man he had a great(and emotional) appearance in the 4th biggest movie of all time, finally got an amazing triple A game that is argubaly one of the best superhero games ever, and had a return to form in terms of comics, and starred in one of the best animated and just movies in general of 2018.
This comic really makes you FEEL like Spider-Man
I thought this was a fantastic breakdown and takedown of Slott.
You also did something that I didn't think was possible: you revived my interest in Comic Book Spider-Man.
The Slott, Post-One More Day Era stuff had essentially killed my interest for ten years.
Great work.
Changing the characters to fit the story instead of the other way around reminds me a great deal of how Rian Johnson deliberately and irrationally made Luke act in the Last Jedi. He wanted to make make a story about a character losing faith in the system and being reminded of his faith though a young idealist. But that doesn't work with Luke because all of his experiences have only ever supported his commitment to the Jedi way and because Luke Skywalker is the embodiment of hope.
Rian basically made Luke a failure for no reason when Luke's history was that of tribulations and eventual success that meant something definitive for the story. If Luke represents the fulfilled potential of hope you cannot make him a failiure because you are essentially saying that hope is a futile endeavor that will just disappoint you. It's all terribly nihilistic and Star Wars was never, ever nihilistic. You can test you embodiment of hope (as Luke was in in OT) but you can never make him lose hope.
And this all come back to the idea of sacrificing a character because you want to tell a specific story. For Luke it's even worse because Rian didn't make Luke, Goorge Lucas did. And because of this, it feels like Rian Johnson is perfectly fine with destroying the reputation of one the best characters in fiction without actually putting in the leg work to make that character popular in the first place. Just imagine building up reputation for over 6 years in 3 movies, being an icon and an inspiration for 40 years, and then having your entire identity trashed some new guy who cares more about *his* story than *your* established character. That not cool man. It's not cool and it's not fair. It's just wrong.
I don't think that's actually true. Johnson made Luke grow as a character and realize the flaws of the Jedi. But that's just my opinion you can have yours.
@@magicthegavining I think that was Rian’s intent, but it never came across that way to me. The way he dealt with Ben was just so out of character when compared to the guy who went against what Obi-Wan said and Yoda implied to rescue Vader from the Emperor. Another TH-camr I watch (the Closer Look) suggested that there was a way to make Luke into a pessimistic asshole without doing something out of character: Luke notices Snoke is beginning to corrupt Ben, but he ignores it because the optimistic side of him fans know and love trusts Ben to make the right decision. However, Luke’s hope is ultimately misplaced and Ben destroys the Jedi Academy. As a result, we get pessimistic Luke, someone who’s now abandoned hope and the way of the Jedi because it’s failed. It works way better IMO, but Johnson I feel was too obsessed with creating his own story that he ignored the character’s traits and just shaped the character to fit his story, even when he didn’t have to.
Hello there
@@flipthegrid8809 General Kenobi
@@magicthegavining Sorry to necro your comment, but I must insist (opinions what they are) that there is a world of difference between "realizing the flaws of the Jedi", and trying to murder your nephew because you had a bad dream about him. Don't forget that Luke refused to give up on Darth Vader, who committed atrocities outside of Luke's bad dreams. Furthermore, it was pretty plainly shown that he became pessimistic because he failed his nephew, regardless of his critiques of the Jedi order.
That being said, I don't mean to attack your love of StarWars, I'm a pretty big nerd, and your comment makes it clear you love the movies, which is the most important thing imho.
Peter *was* selfish
It was part of his character arc in amazing fantasy 15
But yeah there’s no justifying his portrayal in slott’s stories
I really think Dan Slott had good ideas for Spider-Man but just didn't have the skills to properly execute them. I really see this when I see other writers use his concepts and make them work. Mike Costa made a team of multi-dimensional spider-heroes awesome in _Web Warriors._ Robbie Thompson turned Silk from being Slott's Mary Sue into an interesting character and even gave crime-boss Blackcat depth and Christ Yost's _Superior Team-Up_ showed Otto trying to be a better hero by playing to his strengths instead of acting like a bully.
If Dan Slott was made the executive editor of all Spider-Man comics for the last decade than I really believe it would have been a new Golden Age for the character. Instead, Slott devolved into the type of creator who enjoyed riling up his fanbase and trolling them for laughs.
Slott is the only person I want to write Superior Otto. Just not Pete.
Y’know, I’ve always been a spidey fan, but I couldn’t peg why I had such a tough time connecting to the Spider-Man comics in recent years. Thanks for putting it into words man, now I know I’m not crazy
It’s sad to go back to this video now…
Parker Industries should have stuck around...
It’s stupid how much people winge about relatability when struggling for years and building your success to the point of big time success IS relatable and true to a lot of people’s lives.
After years of his struggle, he finally reaches success. That’s first class character growth.
I agree. But slott made Peter an unlikeable character, when he was the CEO of Parker Industries, so association with it probably killed it in the eyes of fans.
Yeah Parker industries should have stayed longer. Working towards success IS relatable! Yeah, Dan Slott’s asshole Parker we could have done without; but Parker having a company would have done his personal growth justice.
I really pray for the day that Joe Kelly writes a comic books similar to one of the ones you mentioned, '97 Joe Kelly's Deadpool vs Daniel Way's Memepool, Madcap would play a good role in it.
Definitely not a coincidence. I was just binge watching reviews
Man, you sure we’re wrong about that new villain being really interesting
WOW. The way that Dan Slot wrote Spidey is exactly how Paul Dini, and Brian Michael Bendid portrayed him in that wretched 'Ultimate Spider-Man' cartoon.
I mean... I think I'm less generous than you are regarding Slott? I think he's a bad writer who succeeds because controversy draws headlines. He's not a good writer and he's not even trying to be - his Ethos is literally the same as that used by internet trolls. "An Enraged Fan is an Engaged Fan" - because it's a whole lot easier to piss someone off than it is to write something that's JUST Engaging.
Case in point, I made a comment about my own personal feelings on this writer and might catch someone's interest with it. But if I had written a bunch of insults about Dan Slott, Godzilla Mendoza, AND Nick Spencer - I would have a LOT of people commenting here either because they disagreed and wanted to sling shit at me, or because they agreed and wanted to sling shit WITH me. And in either case no one is doing anything productive.
This is so spot on, I could cry. You sir are a true spidey fan as am I. Thanks for this. It's great to see someone else who gets the true essence of the character and was well aware of how wrong he's been written for a while now. Excelsior 💥
Dan Slott once came after me on twitter because I said I dont care if spiderman fat shames his overweight villains. America is the most obese country on the planet and Spiderman is an instigator who makes jokes targeting insecurities to throw his opponents off.
These roasts are rated E for everyone.
I liked the Slott run a lot until Parker Industries. Peter would never be an Elon Musk type, either morally or conceptually. He's supposed to be down on his luck. I had no idea how much stupider things got after that.
You liked Slott's run a lot??? What is so good in there make you like it??
@@amishasaha5975 I liked it starting at Big time and stopped liking it at Parker Industries. I also hated Spiderverse.
It was just a fun comic for a while. It had new ideas and even when the writing wasn't good ("Nobody dies"), I never felt bored. Good action, new scenarios, not too much of the mystic trash. I don't remember too many issues that were just Peter moping around. It had plenty of flaws, but it was a good pace.
I think Ramos was a big part of it though. I really like his action scenes.
My biggest fear right now is if for some stupid reason Slott gets the book back. I really hope he's done for good. (the occasional side story or event is fine but I mean if he gets full control)
God damn it
@@sanatoriumnugget6598 please tell me it didn't happen
Crimson5pider no Spencer's story got worse according to what I heard
@@brewmaster2912 from the sound of it he just wrote a bad retcon to fix a worse one so I don't get the dramatic reaction
@@crimson5pider Well I didn’t actually read it but from what I know, Harry Osborn is dead and the Harry we’ve seen in the recent comics is a clone. The real Harry created those two people who were Norman and Gwen’s kids, they were just clones and the both of them were actually Kindred and they were working for Mephisto. I honestly would’ve made Kindred a relative of Gwen Stacy. She has two cousins in the comics named Paul and Jill. Maybe they saw her as a sister and hated Spider-Man. You could say they figured out who Peter was and wanted to torture him so they both became Kindred.
the worst sin of Slott is that he KNEW what direction wanted spider-man to go and he did it anyway
I'm really glad videos like these exist to give me the rundown on comics that I don't have time for. It's greatly appreciated and a real time-saver - it's way better to hear what someone makes of it than to follow it through wikipedia or something. So thanks a lot! And Happy New Year