I think my favorite moment in the Spider-Verse movie is after Aaron dies and Miles tells his counterparts that they don't understand, and they explain that, yes, they do. Old Parker's Uncle Ben, Noir's Uncle Benjamin, Gwen's best friend, Peni's father. Then Spider-Ham, the fucking *talking pig,* tearfully says, "Miles, the hardest thing about this job is... you can't always save everybody." The fact that the line was delivered by the character who was arguably the silliest of all of them is what made an already very poignant line that much more effective.
At first I thought spider-ham was going to make a joke, or say something to lighten the mood when he started talking. But I was honestly kinda glad when he didn’t.
@@someweirdo If I'm not wrong, he originally did make a joke, something about his own uncle being killed in a fire and smelling delicious? But I am super glad they changed it to that, lmao. Exactly like the first dude said, really hit harder.
@@richardmetellus2336 I mean Infinity War and Endgame definitely did not undercut it's self with humor and I'd argue neither did Far From Home. Maybe movies that are specifically designed to be hilarious like the Guardians of the Galaxy films, the Ant-Man films, and Ragnarok, sure but you also have movies like Infinity War, Endgame, Civil War, Winter Soldier etc.
Can't tell you how happy I am that there was NO forced romance between Miles and Gwen. Seriously the comics made it feel so forced and just out of place in the spider universe as a whole.
@@charlesspeaksthetruth4334 I think so too, but we know it's going to get proper development and build up so it'll make it all worth while. I am so excited!
I love how they wrote Aaron Davis in this movie as less of "A Terrible person" but more "a good person who took the wrong path" cause I think there's some nuance that some people might miss where...Aaron kinda understands why his brother cut ties cause in some of the earlier scenes he doesn't really hold anything against his brother for doing so. the whole "He's a good guy it's just, ya know" plus the fact they make it clear this is just a job to him, cause the moment he finds out Miles is the one in the suit, his reaction is less "should I do this" and more "I can't do this" it makes Aaron Davis really likable despite the fact he doesn't have much screentime
thats why i love ps5 miles morales idk i love spiderverse but i feel like its so overrated its just a different take on spiderman with a beautiful aesthetic
@@tyrant-den884 With more than just one Spidey AND more than just one villain but managed to avoid turning into Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2. It hits just right
As someone familiar with the comics, when I saw Aaron slipping the mask back on, I thought he was doing it so he wouldn't have to look him in the face when he killed him.
Exactly. You get your young Spider-Man who acts different and fun and learns to be a hero in his own right with Miles, and you get your old “I’ve been doing this for way too long now” adult Spider-Man who can also still learn a thing or two from the kid with Peter. It’s genius really.
Try the PS4 game. He’s been at it for 8 years and has an established rogues gallery minus a few very notable exceptions (one which is rectified by the end of the story and two others which will most likely be used for the sequel)
If I had to choose between "you're just like me" or "you're the best of all of us" when a criminal is talking to his high school nephew, I'll choose the latter any day
The thing I appreciated most about spiderverse, is that they didnt make miles unique, based only on his "blackness" or "Hispanic" background. He was just a kid who had a serious flair for art, style and music. Always nice when they do that.
Yep I totally agree. Here they made a character who has depth and is interesting who just so happened is black. Instead of making a “different characters” personality revolve around his skin color.
huh. everyone should embrace who they are. it’s not a bad thing for him to embrace his hispanic background. it makes him have a great back and forth with his mom
@@Shine28 I think what he meant was they didn’t make his character about what he looked like. Miles could have been any other race and it would have worked just as well
@@wahjergah4543 idk.... I mean, they definitely dont make it ALL about his heritage but it's there! stuff like him speaking spanish with the scorpion and his musical motif for when hes in his element being hip hop! to me it feels less like they didn't include his heritage and more like they blended it in with the rest of his character.
My mom and I went into the animated movie without having any idea who Prowler was. We actually laughed and joked about him on the screen as the uncle, and enjoyed his moments trying to help Miles. Then were terrified when Prowler was chasing Miles. When we found out who he was, we were devastated and cried when he died, my mom actually DIDN'T want him to die. She was telling Prowler to get out of there with Miles and shouted when he got shot. That's a powerful character.
@@jimmyjab8744 I was saying that, because I was banking on no way home to be among the three. And after the release I can clearly say that no way home and spiderverse are my favourite.
Not only he fixed Miles. He gave us a Peter Parker who was acting like his age. That film also gave us a reason why Peter and MJ are important for each other. What Peter B. Parker and MJ divorce did to him exactly shown why MJ is important to him. Speech of MJ after Peter Parker death shows how well she knew Peter. Her voice also included a extreme sorrow. She was living her worst nightmare. It is a great film. Shown why MJ and Peter needed each other. Redeemed Miles Character. Shown a grown up Peter who is kinda mentor to Miles.
When she says that “We are all Spider-Man”, it came across to me as if she sees that nightmare everywhere, but also that dream in away, that everyone can be a hero, everyone has a chance, everyone deserves power.
"..this kid kid taught us anyone can wear the mask, but this kid came along and proved it." What a brilliant quote. Thanks for the video, it was really enjoyable and informative - I really appreciate your take on it all!
What really made this movie great is at the end, instead of putting a cliche "The End" visual They made it into an actual meme and they are so in touch with this generation unlike other movies.
I went to a cosplay event in Miles' suit and clothes a few months ago. AFTER Spider-Verse came out. Now where I live (not USA) there aren't many black people, or a strong black culture overall. And yet some of the few black families I met stopped me to have pictures with me. One family in particular asked me one picture for each member, both parents and kids. I don't know, it moved me. You could see it in the kids' eyes, they wanted a photo with Miles. He was their hero. I think this movie truly managed to create a Spider-Man that, despite sharing the same alias as Peter Parker, is a very different character, and a hero in his own right. And I don't hide that I felt pretty proud of myself while posing for those pictures, even if all I did was wearing a costume.
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Another "fix" I'd like to touch on is what an improvement the Spider-Verse version of Miles's costume is over the original. The gray/dark silver webbing is way more subtle and less busy looking than the red pattern on his first outfit. And the slightly rougher, painted on look of the logo and overall design gives it way more personality. Plus, I'm a sucker for hoodies/jackets worn over traditional superhero costumes.
@@Cerri22PG “I like the new suit but it feels lacking at times” I think they know that with the armpit jokes and Peter B.‘s line where he says they’ll make him a new suit, it’ll definitely pay off in Beyond
@@JustElleYapping ye definitely does "I met my roommate... Finally" - Miles at the end of the movie (His roommate sees him in the ceiling and in his spider suit)
I think one of the greatest things this movie added to miles was making him an artist, it’s another really cool thing that distinguishes him from Peter because Peter has always been a scientist and really technically minded in that way. It allows miles to put his own creative spin on the spider man identity even using his graffiti skills to make his costume.
@@uinandoextra2675 probably because he is a fairly upstanding, mildly awkward teen with strict parents while she's in the wrong dimension and dying from it. Not exactly a prime target for tapping, even if he was smooth. Plus he sorta tried before he knew that, triggering the forced haircut. Not sure how he would recover from that.
"Don't do it like me. Do it like you." Was my favorite line from the trailer as well. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who missed it in the final release.
@DKylis I mean, what's the big deal? Now both characters are good, I really couldn't fucking handle seeing another edgy Toby Maguire-esque take on the character.
@DKylis miles was never special in the first place and that's the whole point of this video, disney didn't do shit, it was marvel studios but you idiots like to blame them for stuff you don't like even if they didn't do it
@@dankerbell i think you might have misunderstood what they meant a bit... in the video the guy explains really well the situation and even gave comparison shots and examples. They kind of DID take (the few) aspects of what made Miles unique, like his clumsiness and best friend lol... but either way I, and many many others, still love them both.😌
They literally turned essentially the most forgettable Spider-Man into my favorite Spider-Man. The play station Spider-Man games also gives Miles some justice.
Miles [Danger] Morales was an experience. It felt like a celebration of what Stan Lee loved most about Spider-Man. That anyone can be him. It was a celebration. It was an honoring to the father who made him. It was crafted with love. It was honestly the first time I have ever loved, without reservation, a Spider-Man film. To top it off? It was an origin story that didn't feel like an origin story.
@Drake pendragon except he isn't Miles didn't replace an already well established character he became his own. And yes the coming of age superhero story is done to death already but so has everysingle superhero trope nothing's original
@Drake pendragon did you even watch the movie? the spidermen telling their origin stories in unision showed that non of them are original (their origin stories)
Incidently, a very similar line was the most interesting part of Justice League. It's the kind of line that resonates with people because it tells you that acts of heroisms and positive change are achievable.
Even more than that is that saving one person instead of the world feels way more abstract, like a statistic of 7 billion people and so on, it is hard to picturise. Saving the people you know and love, that is a whole lot more concrete and you can truly know and feel why it matters.
What really makes Miles stand out IMO is that he's lot more mature than Peter even tho he's a lot younger. When Peter 1st got his powers he was so happy and just wanted to use them for fun. But Miles knew that there would be a lot of unintended negative consequences to having them, especially since there was a lot more superhuman stigma at the time, and was a lot more selective about when he used them.
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi Because he was too late to help him as well. That guilt drove him to continue Peter's Legacy and become the new Ultimate Spider-Man.
@@iangathogo9750 bruh its because Miles had known spider man and known his job as hero of new york. peter had no idea what to use his powers for. and then when uncle passed decided to become a hero. but yea i get u also becuz Miles went thru more than peter losing both his uncle and peter
I never noticed this until watching another video about the movie, but the way Miles moves in the movie once embracing his responsibility to be Spider-Man is very similar to how Aaron moved as the Prowler. Miles wasn't just swinging through the air but he was running up the sides of buildings, jumping off of them onto another and just generally what Aaron did but in Miles's own way which made it all the more special.
Also goes back to what Miles said when he was being chased by Alchemax goons. He runs better then he swings. So it kinda makes sense theres more parkour in his movement.
It struck a cord with me seeing Miles speaking Spanish to people in this neighborhood and with his mom. The comics kind of forgot that he is black and Hispanic and as someone just like that I was disappointed to not really see much of his own Hispanic and black culture really used within his own characterization. That is why I was so happy to see that in the movie because it should be a bigger part of who he is.
@@fathernigga It might not be part of who Spider-Man is, but it's a huge part of who Miles is. I love Pete's Spider-Man, because under the mask he's just a smart nerdy kid from Queens. He created his own web shooters. He takes out the garbage. He loves his aunt. He has a crush on a girl that's out of his league. He works a job, because things are tough at home, and he wants to help out. I'm just as much, if not more, a fan of Peter Parker than I am of Spider-Man. He's a good kid, but he's different from other kids. Pete's nerd-dom is what makes him unique. It humananizes him. It makes you think that it could be you under that mask. Now, Miles is a Puerto Rican kid from Brooklyn. He lives on his phone. His mom is overbearing. His grandmother is crazy. He eats arroz con gandules, and speaks Spanish and English interchangeably. He likes music and art. He's got one close friend and niether of them really fit in. That's a character that I can relate to, because a lot of it reminds of my life growing up, (minus the phone, of course, because I'm old.) I am Miles Morales. My son is Miles Morales. His character is new and different, but, for Me, it's real familiar. Plus, he's Spider-Man! I like comics. I've been reading them my whole life and I can tell you one thing that's certain, for Me, anyway. The characters we fall in love with are the ones we see ourselves in. The story of Miles Morales is the story of Miles, first, and Spidey, second. I can dig that.
I'm already Tracer Yeah, no. For example, it is undeniable that someone born of a different race would probably be raised in an environment that reflects the culture of that race in some way. Not only that, but he would be treated differently. Not in a racist way. For example, with the way the media portrays the killing of any minority as an instant hate crime or racist murder, maybe the main character would see this and gather his own opinion. Whether it be dread for the police or disgust with the over exaggeration of the motives behind the murder of a minority. Either way, race SHOULD be a part of who your character is. The problem is when the race of a character starts DEFINING who they are as a person. You know, the whole "I'm Hispanic and.... well, that's all my character has to offer!" Note: Obviously into the spider-verse didn't go this deep. And it didn't have to. I'm just saying what I would personally do with a character of a different race in a more adult story.
I'm already Tracer It's the same thing with sexuality. It shouldn't define your character, but it should still be part of who they are. (Unless the story really doesn't explore anyone's sexuality. In that case, sexuality would be completely irrelevant.)
'Don't be like me. Be like you.' Race, Economic status, and everything else be damned. That is the most amazing thoughtful awesome message you can give to a kid confused and latching onto everything they can to try to get approval from what they see as the 'big' people in their lives. That is the message kids need to hear. You'll stumble. You'll fall down. You'll hopefully learn and pick yourself back up. Do it like you.
needs to be heard early and loudly, too, because it's a bitch to learn later, once you already have toxic bullshit internalized. I'm still trying to internalize the concept of not defining myself in relation to others.
Andrew Singleton I just came back from seeing the movie and as a teenage girl with anxiety and an ever growing mountain of expectations placed on me this film really spoke to me.
I personally loved how this movie handled him discovering his powers. In the 2002 and 2012 movies, it's like you're watching someone else be overwhelmed, but in this movie, you feel overwhelmed with him. It's awesome.
you described it perfectly. it's like you feel the responsibility that's forced upon Miles. Like the baton for being the successor of this iconic person was beamed at you, hit your chest and fell into your lap. You didn't ask for it and certainly don't feel like you can fill those shoes.
@@JuggyBohab All the scenes of Peter discovering his powers are kinda silly as he has no idea of what he's doing, the more pathetic his first time is the cooler the final swinging scene becomes.
They made Miles Morales an actual character with depth instead of a "black character because we're not racist" Similar to women characters who are just there to show you how not sexists the creators are instead of creating an actual interesting character who happen to be female.
Fun fact in the comics there is a moment a fan girl goes on a vlog and says she hyped to have representation in the super hero community, and it bothers mules cause he doesn't want to be known as the black spider-man.
Honestly I love miles Moralez before the movie came out. Never understood how people said he was a copycat of Peter Parker. It’s obvious that Marvel show a lot of love for this character in the comics And didn’t pull that hulk, ironman and Thor Replacement bullshit (The girl that They tried to replace thor with was pretty cool tho)
@Technicolor Vision 😂😂🤣 yes he is. It took this movie to give him Character development, and he's been around since 2011 leeching off the success of Spiderman. You can't name Miles Morales hobbies, who are his villains (No Spiderman villains. His own Original villains) who are his side Characters everyone from Peter Parker's life, what's his personality he's a good kid who wants to do the right thing? What hero isn't like that. Oh Miles is just a kid who got Spider powers. Who was Peter Parker before he got bitten? Just some kid from nowhere. Face it all Miles Morales is only liked because of his skin color. And that fan love is so fake because there are how many established black Characters were made before Miles Morales copied, and pasted himself into Spiderman's life? Get real bruh. If he was made by a Black man Miles would be considered licence plagiarism.
@@vader2184 most of your examples dont work She hulk isnt hulk with a vagina, if she wasnt green or related to hulk you wouldnt even be comparing them The thor story was good since she wasnt the 1st person to weild his hammer and had a completely different approach and personality plus he using the hammer makes her cancer worse and is killing her was something they couldnt do with thor And iron heart was never made or written to be black girl iron man replacement again the only similarity is she had an armoured suit and was smart
“Miles would’ve been forgotten by history like that time Captain America got replaced by an impersonator named the USagent.” I seriously can’t believe we live in a timeline where I can say that didn’t age well.
This is a great video which perfectly deconstructs both versions of Miles and explains why one is better than the other. It's also mind-blowing that you managed to criticise both Miles Morales in the comics and MCU Peter Parker in the same video without it feeling off-topic, so hats off to you!
Scrubbz Animate it's not a good video lol, t think about how much this guy's cursing in front of children watching at the same time calling Spider-Man a quote on quote ass hole. this TH-camr is a joke
Even kingpin was understandable. I mean the guy lost his wife and son. And plz look at the moment were alternate dimension Vanessa arrives at the final battle. I mean hear how he says that. In a vulnerable and emotional mannor. I actually cried for this guy.
That scene really made me sad for Kingpin, but it also cemented his villainy for me. Like he knows what he did wrong, but he chose to not change even though he knew he was hurting them.
@@dharanishakthivel7263 Thank you. I was waiting for a sensible person like you. Kingpin chose crime and he knows what that got him do. Instead of Change and acceptance he went the opposite direction.
@miles tom ehh not really they did take things from miles don’t get me wrong, Ned is a blatant copy of Ganke and his personality is a mix of miles and Peter at the end of his run in ultimate (mostly Miles). The thing with Rio and May is that they are just young and that’s it. In Homecoming we see may still be may for the most part being over protective of Peter and helping him out with his personal life. FFH is different because she’s reduced to just a pure gag of a character and only had one decent scene. I wouldn’t say MCU peter is dependent at all he made his own suit and web shooters before tony came into the picture, he never called or asked tony to help him for anything. He at first cared about impressing Tony in HC but at the end he didn’t care about becoming an avenger that’s why he turned it down he learned that he doesn’t need to be an avenger to be a hero and the majority of the time he went against tony as well. Heck even Ultimate Peter never made his own suit and depended on MJ to always fix or sew his suit back. The lego thing yeah sure that’s miles and Ganke’s thing but a lot of kids today build Legos so I see it more of modernizing the character and if Peter was being rewritten today without 50+ years of stories from the past I think there’s a good chance that he builds legos as well as it is seen as a nerdy/loser thing to do in high school. Mid town isn’t like Visions as visions is a charter school while mid town isn’t. Just because Mid town is a science and tech school doesn’t mean every kid there is smart hell flash attends there and they made it clear that flash is a moron as he can’t answer any question right. And lastly when Godzilla Mendoza brought up how peter is just white miles (like how you did as well) it is basically an oxymoron as Miles is just peter reskined with a few differences but yet you call peter white miles so you are basically saying peter is peter with just a few differences.
Doesn't matter what color, what background, what age someone is; as long as you make them human with core principles like family, the audience can and will feel for them. These are the things shared by us all, and make each individual who they really are. Good characterization builds on those with the help of the set of qualities I mentioned first.
This is what happens when you have a diverse group of talented individuals creating a character. They’re able to imbued realistic character and cultural traits that may otherwise be missed by a writer from outside that characters cultural background/origin...
Into the Spiderverse was my first introduction to Miles. I thought the movie version was how he was in the comics. The fact that miles' character was basically re-built makes the movie even greater in my eyes.
I started with Spider-Man PS4. I don't wanna get Miles Morales yet because I wanna get de-used to the controls so it feels good when I swing but I'd want to see this movie but I can't because of Different countries. I'll try anyway.
I hated Ultimate Miles for the reasons you stated. He was just Peter Parker but half black and half Hispanic (or exactly what Bendis likes to claim he wasn’t going to do). It didn’t help that they kept referencing how identical Peter and Miles were. But I loved Miles in Into the Spider-verse. He was unique, fun, interesting...basically everything he should have been when he was introduced.
I remember Marvel saying that with Miles Morales they could tell fresh original stories. Yet every story with Miles was a carbon copy of Peter. Hell, they even revealed that Mile's father was a SHIELD agent just like Peter's parents.
@@renatoism yeah they don’t really have any great writers to take on miles spider-man stories in marvel comics and they won’t change but the exclusive game and itsv movie differentiated him in many ways so hopefully in the future miles is more grounded and his own person with different wits then Pete he may not be the original but he is still loved but only people who are “woke” and call bullshit hate him
I agree. You can easily put teenage Parker and Miles together and you'll have two superheroes duo instead of a "repaint". That's how strong Miles Into the Spider-verse character is.
Ah Miles Morales, basically a repeat of John Stewart's Green lantern. A character who was introduced to comics as "It's your favorite super hero, but black!" but had no effort put into making them interesting until they were put in the hands of a competent writer as a cartoon/movie and actually given enough of a personality to be considered just as good if not better than the original version.
I think that's a pretty gross mischaracterization of Miles Morales. Like he's definitely far from the best written comic book character, but he's not just a lazy race swap of Peter Parker. Trying to create a new iteration or spinoff of a popular superhero is a pretty common phenomenon in comics and Bendis obviously went the route of replacing the original character entirely. That doesn't mean that Miles is the same as Parker, rather that he is a unique take on the character of Spiderman. Would you have a similar problem with the British Spiderman or Spiderman 2099 or other variations of Spiderman?
@@maxturnacioglu8514 Did you actually read my post, and if so why are you commenting on it without knowing about John Stewart and Green Lanturn? The original Green Lantern was Hal Jordan who was replaced by various other Green Lanterns to reboot the franchise, one of which was John Stewart. Comic John failed because he was an incredibly boring character with the unbridled charisma of a glass of luke warm tap water you left on your night stand all night. That was because the writers were lazy and thought being black was enough appeal to sell and didn't bother beyond that. It wasn't until Justice League, a show that decided to use the John Stewart version, that he became known as anything other than a footnote since he was placed into the hands of competent writers who decided to write him as a character first. They did such a good job that the comics version of John Stewart was retconned to be more like the animated version and there's a sizable portion of people who grew up with the show, myself included, who firmly consider him to be the best Green Lantern. If Miles was just a race swapped version of Peter that'd sadly be better, because Peter is an interesting character. Bendis just took an "Inner City Black Youth" template, stuck it in a spiderman costume and called it a day. You see, people don't actually have a problem with a new version of a hero who happens to be a different race. We see them all the time. What people are getting pissed about is that so often whenever we see them that people making it thing that they don't have to put in any effort beyond making the most superficial changes. Comics Miles failed because Bendis thought he didn't need to put in the effort to make him an interesting character since he thought being black was all that was needed to do that. Movie Miles succeeded because the writers realized a character's appeal exists beyond just the most superficial surface level traits.
@@Tomeroche Yes, I obviously read your comment, no need to be condescending. My point was that comics Miles Morales is different from John Stewart. I'm familiar with the origins of John Stewart and he was literally just a race swap intended to sell more copies. It was a greedy financial move with little effort behind it. However, I would really question your knowledge of Miles Morales, if you think that he is just an "Inner City Black Youth template". Yeah, Miles himself isn't the most interesting character, especially compared to his movie self, but Bendis wasn't attempting a lazy race swap like the writers behind John Stewart. There is a lot more to the Miles Morales story and character than him being black, like his young age and the issues that come with that when becoming a superhero. I feel like this is more of an issue of movie Miles being more interesting than comic Miles, so people just write off comic Miles entirely. Miles is a genuine character with more to him than his race, but if you refuse to see that then I won't argue the point further.
@@maxturnacioglu8514 You know I'm pretty sure there were people who thought the same thing for the original John Stewart. They tried to superficially make him a different character with a different personality and background than Hal but, again, he had the charisma of a slice of bread. The same thing with Miles, I don't even need to point out examples in this comment since the video above already goes into details on how disappointing the Bendis run was and all the lazy shortcuts he took because he didn't want to put effort into fleshing out the few bits of originality that existed in Miles.
I wanna see Donald Glover fully be the Prowler SO BADLY. I think it’s criminal that Donald never got to be Spider-Man when he was the right age for it, but I’ll settle for watching him fight Spider-Man. Edit: I have now seen him in Across the Spider-Verse. However, I still feel he deserves a whole movie, not just a cameo.
@@radicool21 My brother liked how they killed off Aunt May and _later_ MJ divorced Pete, instead of, say, Peter making a deal with the devil to bring back May and lose his wedding day to MJ because of it. God, that just sounds so stupid. That and the whole revealing his idenity in Civil War but going "no not really!" After the May incident and having Mustache Twins erase everyone's memories. Tl;dr my brother and I agree those writers are stupid (or Marvel's just too flip-flopy for what they wanted to tell).
I recommend reading the Miles Morales novelization, written by an author who actually originated in Brooklyn. It's closer to the comic's universe but gives Miles more characterization. He sheds light on the environment around him, Brooklyn to Visions Academy, along with his own differences and insecurities. To me, it's the best interpretation of the character next to Spider-Verse.
I think we can now, two years later, say that Into the Spiderverse created the ‘definitive’ Miles. The new, great PlayStation exclusive Miles Morales is more based off the Into the Spiderverse Miles than any comic version of him.
I agreed with you until you said The Miles game is based more off into the spiderverse, I honestly absolutely hate insomniacs Miles he’s just a nerdy dorky cringe character, Like even in the first game he was making apps like wtf that’s peters thing being the smart tech guru and spiderverse fixed all of that giving Miles his own new passion in art and it really just made him his own unique character but insomniacs Miles is just a bad written character like they just slapped in the beat mixing didn’t really add anything to the character when he was already awful in Spider-Man PS4, Spiderverse Miles is my favourite version of Spider-Man but Game Miles is just awful
Also, for the comics, Jefferson Davis projects all his dislike for heroes and his failures on Miles to the point where Miles' mom, while she's dying in Miles' arms, tells Miles _not_ to tell his dad he's a spiderman. So... that's a lovely depiction of Black fathers, ya know. Lol. In the Into the Spiderverse movie, both Miles's dad and Uncle Aaron both really fucked me up and I cry every time. They're real characters and you truly feel it in their interactions with Miles.
I love that ending, Peter and Miles don't have to be the same. They shouldn't. They should be their own because in the end their main ideas compliment each other.
I always saw Peter's death differently. Miles outright refuses to use his powers because there already was a Spider-Man. But when he sees Peter die, he knows he could've done something about it, if he had become a hero sooner. If he worked with Peter, none of this would've ever happened. Now, maybe I'm reading too much into things, but that's how I see it. SpiderVerse still did it way better though
@@megamonmon Well, obviously. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that even though Miles arrived too late to do anything, he knows that if he was a hero, he could've been there, and he could've done something. So Miles does have a reason to feel guilty
ArronZ M. But that’s the same thing, if you see something bad happening you have a responsibility to do something about it and Miles didn’t hence why he’s becomes Spider-Man because of the man he failed
Peter Parker is like Rocky; he has his own origin story and everybody loves him. Miles Morales, on the other hand, is like the Creed franchise, where the story is really similar, except that Adonis/Miles has to step out of his mentor's shadow and become their own person. I personally feel that makes for better storytelling, but why does my opinion matter? I'm just a stranger sent here by my parents from a distant planet called Krypton...
When I first watched this with my friend she said he was unlikable in the comics. She pointed out how likable he was in the movie and how the movie did so good with his character arc glad someone else is talking about it.
Damn, I was hoping to discover Miles in comics, loving the film version but knowing nothing about him. Hopefully Marvel takes the film version and puts him in print.
wouldnt be the first time something from an outside source that was well received was made canon in the comics. if marvel was smart, they would reboot Miles and make Spider-verse the canon origin story.
forbiddenwar45 read Spider-Man (2016) this is the Miles Morales comic. It’s a great read. If I recall it’s only like 20 something issues. Brian micheal Bendis says a far well to the comic book character he created in the last issue. BMB moved on to DC to take over Superman’s comic.
This video was spot on. As a black man and lifelong Spider-Man fan you'd think Mikes would have been right up my alley when he debuted. Alas, i found him BORING and didn't really see what he brought to the table so Pete remained my Spider-Man of choice. I just relate to him more regardless of race. This movie though? It made me love Miles. This character they've crafted is nothing short of incredible-err amazing. I love this film and I love what they've done to Miles. I hope this origin becomes THE canon origin for him. Also agreed abt ur take on MCU Peter.
@@fightingmedialounge519 did you even read my post? My whole point was that Miles being black didn't endear him to me despite our shared racial identity.
@@belakthrillby that is the thing people forget we all are human and can relate and should relate without boundaries to distance ourselves or divide just for outer appearance than what is inside.
It feels like ever since this movie, Miles has become an iconic character in his own right, especially between this and the PS4 game. These past few years I've just accepted Miles as part of comic culture despite never really following Spiderman too closely, and I think that says a lot about how well this movie handled him.
Zany Ninja CGI is always good when it comes out. It’s refreshing, impressive and different. But the original Spider-Man, will always be the best im afraid.
What hit home is the fact the Miles kept failing because he was only trying to follow in peters footsteps. But after the death of his uncle, how he said "your on your way, just keep going", and how peter's best advise was that he just had to take a leap of faith. All this culminating into one thing, miles has to do this on his own terms, not peters. And then he began to succeed.
I never read any Miles Morales Spider-man so I didn't know any of the source material stuff but from just a film-goer perspective, totally agree, really lovely fleshed out characters and motivations [a villain is hard to write as crazy yet sympathetic]. Handled the Peter Parker I knew, really well without beating us over the head with another one. It moves fast and trusts you're not a complete moron to catch it. So glad it was a hit and we'll see another one.
Spider-Man PS4 and Into The Spider-Verse are fixing Miles for the better more than his creator ever has, with sequel-esk things planned for the ITSV stuff, and a new Spider-Man Insomniac game, I think Miles will become a very good character, one we can put on the favorite list.
Right? PS4 Miles is the closest Miles has ever been to being identical to Peter and it flat out removed the few unique elements Miles had to do so. They made him a genius like Peter for no reason, killed his dad so we’ll never get a him vs Uncle Aaron dilemma in any form whatsoever and even took him out of his cool school to put him in the same one Peter went to. Whoever wrote Miles in that game is the only person worse at writing him than Bendis.
For someone who never knew Miles Morales even existed until into the Spider Verse came out, and instantly made him my favorite Spider Man. I am SO happy they changed him into what he is now because damn I would’ve NEVER liked him or his story if they took it from what seems to be any source material.
@Hellbinder Next nah you're just racist. this isn't like black starfire which is a big part of her story. MJ is just another human New Yorker, it doesn't matter. Mj just needs the right personality... ALSO peter parker Married a black chick in the end. if you've seen his daughter in any future marvel event its obvious shes mixed. they also show the mom on occasion hell old man Logan teamed up with her and she took over a huge chunk of the us after the apocalypse
yep. walt literally admits he did it all for himself, his ego. hes a bad person, hes not a hero, but people paint him as one as if it makes him a better character, which it doesn't.
I haven't read the comics and so just assumed the Miles in the movies is the same character in the comics. It is kind of cool to know that for once comic fans aren’t complaining about comic lore getting changed to make a more compelling movie adaptation.
How does Donald Glover have anything to do with it? Beside playing The Prowler in Homecoming, yet never even show him as The Prowler. He actually played Miles in Ultimate Spider-Man Season 3 Web Warriors a few years back. So how did Glover making him a thing? WTF is that suppose to mean?
I cried so much because of this movie and even know a year later because it's so good and portrays such a good message. Be you, choose to do good and give your best.
Awww man, this was a great vid! I really enjoyed it as always, but holy fuck I had a really similar thought process but I'm glad I took it in a different direction. The video I'm making right now is about Miles and revolves around Ultimate Peter's Death and how it was unnecessary to introduce him, it's going to be called, "Spider-Man PS4 is the Ending Ultimate Spider-Man Deserved," Anyway, another solid 10/10 video as always, great job Xavier!
Perfect video hell to summarize this video.. “What makes you different is what makes you Spider-Man..” You’ve made a complete video about one quote but so detailed.
he still isn't a hot head prone to ripping on to someone because this man was calm for most of that movie and acted like any other person wouldn't and fell into a rage after his last family member died
This described Bendis Miles in a nutshell. Bland. Spider-Verse gave him the flavor he needed. Miles as a concept is not problem, he had no personality is the issue in the comics.
You know, someone said just giving Miles a personality would help him out. I now understand Homecoming Peter better and do feel this is a much improved Miles
The one thing I really like about Miles' personality was that Peter had this whole "Spider-Man" thing down with few hiccups, while Miles was on one hell of a bumpy road with potholes. Peter's experience as Spider-Man seemed more forced, while Miles felt natural; a teenage kid struggling to learn the ropes, having to live up to someone's legacy, but also making his own. But Peter seemed to lose and still win. He had smooth sailing. (Well, however smooth sailing can be when your a superhero.) Peter's humor was also kinda forced, while, on the other hand, Miles' humor was him just being awkward. He didn't have to make jokes to be funny. He could just be himself (though his whole character in the movies was him feeling like he couldn't, which gave him more depth as well). Miles felt like an actually hero, but Parker just felt like a glossed-over cake. He was too perfect. He didn't feel real. (Though, I still love my little red and blue spandex boy.)
That's probably cause it was an older time where Super heroes weren't allowed to mess up or lose and had to be perfect. Ultimate Spider on the other hand which is the more modern interpretation fucks up *constantly* Which is also conviently the same story where Miles first appears.
that of mild monster's comment, and an interesting note i found. As he's from our actual universe (from his introduction of him swinging around time squaare with the digital billboard having the actual "Coca Cola" instead of Miles' "Koka Soda"), this is to reflect the harsh reality of what our superhero we looked up to is not anywhere as close as the happy friendly neighbourhood guy, but more of a reflection of our problems, the most human way possible.
Nah, I don't know about the comics but the MCU version had Yinsen, who I'd totally say qualifies as an Uncle Ben even if just as a catalyst (He was the guy in the cave who fixed him up and died helping him escape the cave)
@@readmachine18 in the comics tony stark is a serious alcoholic and it ends up effecting both his lives. His suit is hacked and malfunctions killing a mayor or someone he was trying to protect. He doesn’t realize it was someone hacking his suit and blames himself and his alcoholism for the death. His uncle ben moment in the comics is his alcoholism lol
@@michaeldoucette204 Fair enough (since as I said in my comment, I don't know about the comics) but isn't an Uncle Ben moment usually something that happens *before* someone becomes a "hero"?🤔 And their death is what inspires them to *become* a "hero"? So while the death of that mayor/person due to Tony's alcoholism would be an important turning point for him as a hero and a person, I don't know if that would really qualify as an "Uncle Ben" situation. But that's just my personal perspective 😊
@@readmachine18 I wouldn't say that the Uncle Ben moment needs to happen before becoming a hero. As the video itself said, Miles had two, Peter and Aaron. The first made him want to be a hero to make sure that the legacy lives on. The second reinforces it, and helps Miles realize that being a hero means that sometimes, you fail. This being his Uncle Ben moment is reinforced by two things, 1) The fact that upon finding Miles heartbroken stating "You wouldn't get it", the response is effectively, "Not only do we get it, we had literally the SAME thing happen." 2) Once this moment has happened, Miles is able to actually grow into his own way of being Spider-man. He needed a major shock to not only let him come to terms with the fact that sometimes, you can't save them, but also to give his father the resolve to want to better reconnect with Miles to really help him grow into the hero he could always be. This is both of their Uncle Ben moment, in order for Miles to become Spider-man. You could call his father giving him the pep talk the real Uncle Ben moment there, but that doesn't happen without Aaron's death for both sides of it. A rather ironic example of an Uncle Ben moment after becoming a hero in the opposite direction is Jason Todd, better known as the second Robin or the Red Hood. He started as Robin, and was effectively just a rerun of Dick Grayson.. and everyone hated him. His Uncle Ben moment is *his own* death. It propelled him to, after he got over himself and stopped being dead like a drama queen, make sure that no one could ever do what was done to him again, but instead of doing it like Batman, doing it his way. With bullets. Didn't mean to basically say their arcs could be paralleled but I guess it helps prove my point. Basically though, the first death he had made him want to become spider-man. The second? That made him realize what being spider-man really meant.
I just rewatched this yesterday, and ALL of the emotional character beats for Miles are so beautifully handled. It's the best Spidey movie, for sure, specifically because it's so hopeful and inclusive at its heart.
I think my favorite moment in the Spider-Verse movie is after Aaron dies and Miles tells his counterparts that they don't understand, and they explain that, yes, they do. Old Parker's Uncle Ben, Noir's Uncle Benjamin, Gwen's best friend, Peni's father. Then Spider-Ham, the fucking *talking pig,* tearfully says, "Miles, the hardest thing about this job is... you can't always save everybody."
The fact that the line was delivered by the character who was arguably the silliest of all of them is what made an already very poignant line that much more effective.
At first I thought spider-ham was going to make a joke, or say something to lighten the mood when he started talking. But I was honestly kinda glad when he didn’t.
@@someweirdo If I'm not wrong, he originally did make a joke, something about his own uncle being killed in a fire and smelling delicious? But I am super glad they changed it to that, lmao.
Exactly like the first dude said, really hit harder.
WHY CANT MOVIES STOP WITH JOKES 24/7? Like I love laughing in movies. But the mcu and other movies love to undercut emotional moments with stupidity
@@richardmetellus2336 I mean Infinity War and Endgame definitely did not undercut it's self with humor and I'd argue neither did Far From Home.
Maybe movies that are specifically designed to be hilarious like the Guardians of the Galaxy films, the Ant-Man films, and Ragnarok, sure but you also have movies like Infinity War, Endgame, Civil War, Winter Soldier etc.
@@NunOfDoloresDei You aren't wrong. Spider-Ham was originally supposed to make a joke about his uncle being killed and smelling delicious.
Can't tell you how happy I am that there was NO forced romance between Miles and Gwen. Seriously the comics made it feel so forced and just out of place in the spider universe as a whole.
They are making them a couple in the next movie. Which I think is Awesome.
@@charlesspeaksthetruth4334 I think so too, but we know it's going to get proper development and build up so it'll make it all worth while. I am so excited!
@@windghost2 I agree 100%. I mean to be honest, the second movie could be even better than the first movie. Can't wait.
@@charlesspeaksthetruth4334 I'm really excited as well!
I found it weird cause it seemed like they were forcing a NON-romance instead. When they legitimately had chemistry
I love how they wrote Aaron Davis in this movie as less of "A Terrible person" but more "a good person who took the wrong path" cause I think there's some nuance that some people might miss where...Aaron kinda understands why his brother cut ties cause in some of the earlier scenes he doesn't really hold anything against his brother for doing so.
the whole "He's a good guy it's just, ya know"
plus the fact they make it clear this is just a job to him, cause the moment he finds out Miles is the one in the suit, his reaction is less "should I do this" and more "I can't do this"
it makes Aaron Davis really likable despite the fact he doesn't have much screentime
I still cannot wrap my mind around how much this film can accomplish in so little time.
thats why i love ps5 miles morales idk i love spiderverse but i feel like its so overrated its just a different take on spiderman with a beautiful aesthetic
@@tyrant-den884 With more than just one Spidey AND more than just one villain but managed to avoid turning into Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2. It hits just right
@@TheKendeHD There's no reason you can't love both though! Don't let negative stigmas take away from whatever enjoyment you got
@@supersaiyandrgnslayr Exactly, that's why I like how NWH gave us three different kinds of Spider-Men that people can enjoy parts of
“This kid taught us that anyone can wear the mask, but THIS kid came along and proved it.” Well said.
i was sniffing out this comment like a truffle pig
@@toonie_ W analogy
@@makaihuddleston3164 it's a simile, actually
@@ophelia.13 shut up
@@ophelia.13🤓
As someone familiar with the comics, when I saw Aaron slipping the mask back on, I thought he was doing it so he wouldn't have to look him in the face when he killed him.
I thought the exact same thing.
It's possible , but he did it so kingpin wouldn't know who miles is.
Same
Same
Same!
Into the Spider-Verse gave me something I've been wanting for a good while: An adaptation of Peter Parker where he's a grown-ass man.
Exactly. You get your young Spider-Man who acts different and fun and learns to be a hero in his own right with Miles, and you get your old “I’ve been doing this for way too long now” adult Spider-Man who can also still learn a thing or two from the kid with Peter. It’s genius really.
Read spider-man: life story
With Pizza Abs 😁
Try the PS4 game. He’s been at it for 8 years and has an established rogues gallery minus a few very notable exceptions (one which is rectified by the end of the story and two others which will most likely be used for the sequel)
Yeah I thought it was really refreshing. I went with my dad and he related to Peter B a lot. I thought it was really sweet.
If I had to choose between "you're just like me" or "you're the best of all of us" when a criminal is talking to his high school nephew, I'll choose the latter any day
Middle school, even
Reference? (Now watch, I’ll remember it right before someone comments, and get to feel like an enormous jackass).
@@rock21611 "you're just like me" is from the book "Miles Morales Spider-Man" Miles's uncle says it
@@kosutokiriguya3205 Miles's uncle in the comic book is just a complete asshole.
Kosuto Kiriguya I hated that book it was so bad
The thing I appreciated most about spiderverse, is that they didnt make miles unique, based only on his "blackness" or "Hispanic" background. He was just a kid who had a serious flair for art, style and music. Always nice when they do that.
Yep I totally agree. Here they made a character who has depth and is interesting who just so happened is black. Instead of making a “different characters” personality revolve around his skin color.
huh. everyone should embrace who they are. it’s not a bad thing for him to embrace his hispanic background. it makes him have a great back and forth with his mom
@@Shine28 I think what he meant was they didn’t make his character about what he looked like. Miles could have been any other race and it would have worked just as well
@@wahjergah4543 lmao this is a stupid comment
@@wahjergah4543 idk.... I mean, they definitely dont make it ALL about his heritage but it's there! stuff like him speaking spanish with the scorpion and his musical motif for when hes in his element being hip hop! to me it feels less like they didn't include his heritage and more like they blended it in with the rest of his character.
I just love how Uncle Aaron had the humanity to tell Miles that being a hero was the right decision as he was dying for Miles in his own enemy's suit
His uncle Aaron was badass
@@SageVaughnWhy was heworking for K.P. tho?
@@ivonastrukar4715 Who knows, most likely the money I assume.
I loved that versión of prowler, it was scary everytime he was on screen
@@xavigarcia9372 The music did everything, its soooo creepy
"They both fight mad scientists"
*Cue scene of Bully Maguire hitting Mary Jane*
Sweg Master so MJ is a mad scientist
hi
she's something of a scientist herself
Hey that's scissors 7.
She was a average fighter
BUT SHE WAS A BRILLIANT SCIENTIST!!!!!
My mom and I went into the animated movie without having any idea who Prowler was.
We actually laughed and joked about him on the screen as the uncle, and enjoyed his moments trying to help Miles. Then were terrified when Prowler was chasing Miles.
When we found out who he was, we were devastated and cried when he died, my mom actually DIDN'T want him to die. She was telling Prowler to get out of there with Miles and shouted when he got shot.
That's a powerful character.
Spiderverse is in my top 3 spiderman movies.
my top 1
Aaron Davis is the best uncle ben
@@djantouahmed7319 only top 3. at least 2 if not 1
@@jimmyjab8744 I was saying that, because I was banking on no way home to be among the three. And after the release I can clearly say that no way home and spiderverse are my favourite.
Not only he fixed Miles. He gave us a Peter Parker who was acting like his age. That film also gave us a reason why Peter and MJ are important for each other. What Peter B. Parker and MJ divorce did to him exactly shown why MJ is important to him.
Speech of MJ after Peter Parker death shows how well she knew Peter. Her voice also included a extreme sorrow. She was living her worst nightmare.
It is a great film. Shown why MJ and Peter needed each other. Redeemed Miles Character. Shown a grown up Peter who is kinda mentor to Miles.
It's also the first time we've seen Peter's Jewish faith in any mainstream media with the shot of the wedding
When she says that “We are all Spider-Man”, it came across to me as if she sees that nightmare everywhere, but also that dream in away, that everyone can be a hero, everyone has a chance, everyone deserves power.
@@Whiteythereaper I thought he was a christian
@@jellymatsuryuka6853 I thought his faith was never stated. However stomping on a wine glass is a specifically jewish tradition.
@@nbewarwe i didnt even knew spiderman had a specific religion
"..this kid kid taught us anyone can wear the mask, but this kid came along and proved it."
What a brilliant quote. Thanks for the video, it was really enjoyable and informative - I really appreciate your take on it all!
WTF I READ THIS AS HE WAS SAYING IT LIKE WORD FOR WORD
@@princesstoni8116 ME TOO
Aged like fine milk
Yeah, so long as you can find a radioactive spider and are blessed with Stark level intelligence (or know someone who is).
Yeah that was a great line
What really made this movie great is at the end, instead of putting a cliche "The End" visual They made it into an actual meme and they are so in touch with this generation unlike other movies.
@Abigail Slaughter i mean he's not wrong. Spiderman pointed first.
@@vladimiradidas1945
"-haven't seen pointing till I'm through with you!"
"YOU ARE POINTING AT ME, WHILE ACCUSING ME OF POIN-" (End card)
@@tomgeytenbeek2207 *spiderman outro starts playing*
@@vladimiradidas1945 geniuses. The people who wrote this, they are straight-up geniuses 😂
@@tomgeytenbeek2207 it was pretty funny tho ngl.
I went to a cosplay event in Miles' suit and clothes a few months ago. AFTER Spider-Verse came out. Now where I live (not USA) there aren't many black people, or a strong black culture overall. And yet some of the few black families I met stopped me to have pictures with me. One family in particular asked me one picture for each member, both parents and kids.
I don't know, it moved me. You could see it in the kids' eyes, they wanted a photo with Miles. He was their hero. I think this movie truly managed to create a Spider-Man that, despite sharing the same alias as Peter Parker, is a very different character, and a hero in his own right.
And I don't hide that I felt pretty proud of myself while posing for those pictures, even if all I did was wearing a costume.
"Anyone can wear the mask" you were their superhero that day!!😭
💙🧡
This comment is just so wholesome.
Cuteness at 8272671823839%
Brain self destruct protocol initiated
Cuteness too much for self destruct protocol
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Cuteness at 400%
That's honestly so awesome.
Another "fix" I'd like to touch on is what an improvement the Spider-Verse version of Miles's costume is over the original.
The gray/dark silver webbing is way more subtle and less busy looking than the red pattern on his first outfit. And the slightly rougher, painted on look of the logo and overall design gives it way more personality.
Plus, I'm a sucker for hoodies/jackets worn over traditional superhero costumes.
Fair to say you're a Scarlet Spider fan?
@@fluidthought42 It's a fun outfit, to be sure.
Movie Miles's costume is my favourite superhero costume ever
Man I wish they stuck to the hoodie for at least a couple of scenes for Across the spiderverse, I like the new suit but it feels lacking sometimes
@@Cerri22PG
“I like the new suit but it feels lacking at times”
I think they know that with the armpit jokes and Peter B.‘s line where he says they’ll make him a new suit, it’ll definitely pay off in Beyond
"I slapped a sticker where my dad would never find it"- Miles Morales
"I got hit by a drone" -Also Miles Morales
do the shoulder teach before she walks a way....hey
also miles morales
@Anim98 his roommate doesn't know though
@@JustElleYapping ye definitely does
"I met my roommate... Finally" - Miles at the end of the movie
(His roommate sees him in the ceiling and in his spider suit)
"Its a puberty thing"
"She is super tall"
" *HEY* "
-all Miles
Like they said in the movie.
"What makes you *different* is what makes *you* Spider-Man".
Technically, that was only in the trailers, as well.
@@megelizabeth9492 The message is still the same.
I’m smart in my own way. I was the only in my friend group knowing the name of a video game character theme song.
@@mr.qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcv3077 heh...nah.
@@mr.qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcv3077 What that has to do with the conversation at hand is beyond me but, cool.
The most incredible thing about this movie is not a *talking pig,* but the fact that *Mile'* s hair can fit under that perfectly shaped mask.
@@akrasiathekruzmachine2341 I was thinking the same thing! They think an afro is made of metal.
OMG! You are slow as hell 😂😂😂 *eye roll* smfh!
"It'll fit eventually..."
You actually see the back of his head when wearing the mask is more elongated than usual
@@youssefsaad9277 i was going to say the same thing. it looks perfect in some scenes, but others with a profile does have an elongated dome.
I think one of the greatest things this movie added to miles was making him an artist, it’s another really cool thing that distinguishes him from Peter because Peter has always been a scientist and really technically minded in that way. It allows miles to put his own creative spin on the spider man identity even using his graffiti skills to make his costume.
*”this kid taught us that anyone can be under the mask. Peter Parker. But this kid came and proved it. Miles Morales”*
as long as your gay and black, iron man, spider-man and heck, lets turn thor into a feminist woman.
M.O.14 bruh he didn’t even smash Gwen he friend zoned her
@@AzguardMike you're trying to argue against the whole diversity thing but nobody brought it up but you, you sound like an idiot
You dont quote something and dont put who said it
@@uinandoextra2675 probably because he is a fairly upstanding, mildly awkward teen with strict parents while she's in the wrong dimension and dying from it. Not exactly a prime target for tapping, even if he was smooth. Plus he sorta tried before he knew that, triggering the forced haircut. Not sure how he would recover from that.
woa woa woa woa, are we officially saying the MOVIE was better than the source?
Someone check the archives, this has to be a first in cinema history.
Well, you also have Big hero 6 but we don't talk about that one
Well......then you have the original Jurassic Park, then there's Jaws, arguable Harry Potter, Big Hero 6...…...
@laz kar no...no to all of that.
Not the first one. Have you watched Jaws, Jurassic Park, the Godfather, the Exorcist...?
What about Fight Club? Even Chuck Palahniuk (the author of Fight Club) said he likes the movie more.
"Don't do it like me. Do it like you." Was my favorite line from the trailer as well. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who missed it in the final release.
@DKylis I mean, what's the big deal? Now both characters are good, I really couldn't fucking handle seeing another edgy Toby Maguire-esque take on the character.
@@morrigangg beuh tobey maguire and egdy lol u really dont know the fundamental qualities of spiderman do u?
@DKylis miles was never special in the first place and that's the whole point of this video, disney didn't do shit, it was marvel studios but you idiots like to blame them for stuff you don't like even if they didn't do it
@@dankerbell i think you might have misunderstood what they meant a bit... in the video the guy explains really well the situation and even gave comparison shots and examples. They kind of DID take (the few) aspects of what made Miles unique, like his clumsiness and best friend lol... but either way I, and many many others, still love them both.😌
They literally turned essentially the most forgettable Spider-Man into my favorite Spider-Man. The play station Spider-Man games also gives Miles some justice.
Got a Question. Is Marvel's Spider-Man Miles Morales just as good as a Miles as this? I like what they did to Jeff.
@@MariusBoss11458 honestly yeah, he may be more nerdy but he's still cool
@@jellymatsuryuka6853 Nice.
Miles [Danger] Morales was an experience.
It felt like a celebration of what Stan Lee loved most about Spider-Man. That anyone can be him. It was a celebration. It was an honoring to the father who made him. It was crafted with love.
It was honestly the first time I have ever loved, without reservation, a Spider-Man film. To top it off? It was an origin story that didn't feel like an origin story.
@Drake pendragon why?
@Drake pendragon did you watch the video?
@Drake pendragon except he isn't Miles didn't replace an already well established character he became his own. And yes the coming of age superhero story is done to death already but so has everysingle superhero trope nothing's original
@Drake pendragon did you even watch the movie? the spidermen telling their origin stories in unision showed that non of them are original (their origin stories)
@Drake pendragon okay bro the racist trump conservative bait was kinda funny in 2016 but its been 4 years bro we have to move on to better jokes
My favorite line from the trailer was “You can’t think about saving the world Miles. You have to think about saving one person.”
Incidently, a very similar line was the most interesting part of Justice League. It's the kind of line that resonates with people because it tells you that acts of heroisms and positive change are achievable.
Even more than that is that saving one person instead of the world feels way more abstract, like a statistic of 7 billion people and so on, it is hard to picturise.
Saving the people you know and love, that is a whole lot more concrete and you can truly know and feel why it matters.
It’s definitely interesting to see this line after watching ATSV
Isn’t that ironic now
And now Miguel is trying to kill him for that
What really makes Miles stand out IMO is that he's lot more mature than Peter even tho he's a lot younger. When Peter 1st got his powers he was so happy and just wanted to use them for fun. But Miles knew that there would be a lot of unintended negative consequences to having them, especially since there was a lot more superhuman stigma at the time, and was a lot more selective about when he used them.
And that was because he already had a Spider-Man.
@@Heatwave-lh1ng and one that passed away
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi Because he was too late to help him as well. That guilt drove him to continue Peter's Legacy and become the new Ultimate Spider-Man.
Without Peter miles would do the same peter showed miles what it was to be a superhero
@@iangathogo9750 bruh its because Miles had known spider man and known his job as hero of new york. peter had no idea what to use his powers for. and then when uncle passed decided to become a hero. but yea i get u also becuz Miles went thru more than peter losing both his uncle and peter
I never noticed this until watching another video about the movie, but the way Miles moves in the movie once embracing his responsibility to be Spider-Man is very similar to how Aaron moved as the Prowler. Miles wasn't just swinging through the air but he was running up the sides of buildings, jumping off of them onto another and just generally what Aaron did but in Miles's own way which made it all the more special.
Also goes back to what Miles said when he was being chased by Alchemax goons. He runs better then he swings. So it kinda makes sense theres more parkour in his movement.
@@Nintendon85 Man, the sight of Parker swinging around while Miles parkouring from building to building makes a great wallpaper idea
This aged well
It struck a cord with me seeing Miles speaking Spanish to people in this neighborhood and with his mom. The comics kind of forgot that he is black and Hispanic and as someone just like that I was disappointed to not really see much of his own Hispanic and black culture really used within his own characterization. That is why I was so happy to see that in the movie because it should be a bigger part of who he is.
His race isn't apart of his character, he just happens to be Hispanic and Black.
@@fathernigga
It might not be part of who Spider-Man is, but it's a huge part of who Miles is. I love Pete's Spider-Man, because under the mask he's just a smart nerdy kid from Queens. He created his own web shooters. He takes out the garbage. He loves his aunt. He has a crush on a girl that's out of his league. He works a job, because things are tough at home, and he wants to help out. I'm just as much, if not more, a fan of Peter Parker than I am of Spider-Man. He's a good kid, but he's different from other kids. Pete's nerd-dom is what makes him unique. It humananizes him. It makes you think that it could be you under that mask. Now, Miles is a Puerto Rican kid from Brooklyn. He lives on his phone. His mom is overbearing. His grandmother is crazy. He eats arroz con gandules, and speaks Spanish and English interchangeably. He likes music and art. He's got one close friend and niether of them really fit in. That's a character that I can relate to, because a lot of it reminds of my life growing up, (minus the phone, of course, because I'm old.) I am Miles Morales. My son is Miles Morales. His character is new and different, but, for Me, it's real familiar. Plus, he's Spider-Man! I like comics. I've been reading them my whole life and I can tell you one thing that's certain, for Me, anyway. The characters we fall in love with are the ones we see ourselves in. The story of Miles Morales is the story of Miles, first, and Spidey, second. I can dig that.
I'm already Tracer Yeah, no. For example, it is undeniable that someone born of a different race would probably be raised in an environment that reflects the culture of that race in some way. Not only that, but he would be treated differently. Not in a racist way. For example, with the way the media portrays the killing of any minority as an instant hate crime or racist murder, maybe the main character would see this and gather his own opinion. Whether it be dread for the police or disgust with the over exaggeration of the motives behind the murder of a minority. Either way, race SHOULD be a part of who your character is. The problem is when the race of a character starts DEFINING who they are as a person. You know, the whole "I'm Hispanic and.... well, that's all my character has to offer!"
Note: Obviously into the spider-verse didn't go this deep. And it didn't have to. I'm just saying what I would personally do with a character of a different race in a more adult story.
I'm already Tracer It's the same thing with sexuality. It shouldn't define your character, but it should still be part of who they are. (Unless the story really doesn't explore anyone's sexuality. In that case, sexuality would be completely irrelevant.)
Probably due to being written by a white guy. I'm Caucasian, so I think I can say that.
'Don't be like me. Be like you.' Race, Economic status, and everything else be damned. That is the most amazing thoughtful awesome message you can give to a kid confused and latching onto everything they can to try to get approval from what they see as the 'big' people in their lives.
That is the message kids need to hear. You'll stumble. You'll fall down. You'll hopefully learn and pick yourself back up. Do it like you.
needs to be heard early and loudly, too, because it's a bitch to learn later, once you already have toxic bullshit internalized. I'm still trying to internalize the concept of not defining myself in relation to others.
Andrew Singleton I just came back from seeing the movie and as a teenage girl with anxiety and an ever growing mountain of expectations placed on me this film really spoke to me.
This is why this movie is a great shonen
still, refuse to call him spiderman than rather call him spidey boy dammit they only one spiderman it peter parker
@@hateUmankind Lol that's how I think too
I wish Miles kept the hoodie, sneakers and shorts.
It makes him look more unique.
I also thought about that. There wouldn't be a pure Miles cosplay without the hood and the Nikes.
And it does look sick... Might get recognized, though 😅
It also just looks badass in general
Luckily in the new miles morales game u can play with that suit.
If you pre order it
@@ponderousowl7966 but with addidas on :(
The fact they managed to put a meme as an end-credits scene that was actually good is definitely not something I expected
I personally loved how this movie handled him discovering his powers. In the 2002 and 2012 movies, it's like you're watching someone else be overwhelmed, but in this movie, you feel overwhelmed with him. It's awesome.
you described it perfectly. it's like you feel the responsibility that's forced upon Miles. Like the baton for being the successor of this iconic person was beamed at you, hit your chest and fell into your lap. You didn't ask for it and certainly don't feel like you can fill those shoes.
I felt for Miles the whole Movie. I was telling him to "Get up!" in the theaters.
@@iman5147 u talk in theaters?
i thought the scene with him in his room was a little too.....goofy.
@@JuggyBohab
All the scenes of Peter discovering his powers are kinda silly as he has no idea of what he's doing, the more pathetic his first time is the cooler the final swinging scene becomes.
They made Miles Morales an actual character with depth instead of a "black character because we're not racist"
Similar to women characters who are just there to show you how not sexists the creators are instead of creating an actual interesting character who happen to be female.
Fun fact in the comics there is a moment a fan girl goes on a vlog and says she hyped to have representation in the super hero community, and it bothers mules cause he doesn't want to be known as the black spider-man.
Honestly I love miles Moralez before the movie came out. Never understood how people said he was a copycat of Peter Parker. It’s obvious that Marvel show a lot of love for this character in the comics And didn’t pull that hulk, ironman and Thor Replacement bullshit (The girl that They tried to replace thor with was pretty cool tho)
@Technicolor Vision 😂😂🤣 yes he is. It took this movie to give him Character development, and he's been around since 2011 leeching off the success of Spiderman. You can't name Miles Morales hobbies, who are his villains (No Spiderman villains. His own Original villains) who are his side Characters everyone from Peter Parker's life, what's his personality he's a good kid who wants to do the right thing? What hero isn't like that. Oh Miles is just a kid who got Spider powers. Who was Peter Parker before he got bitten? Just some kid from nowhere. Face it all Miles Morales is only liked because of his skin color. And that fan love is so fake because there are how many established black Characters were made before Miles Morales copied, and pasted himself into Spiderman's life? Get real bruh. If he was made by a Black man Miles would be considered licence plagiarism.
@@vader2184 most of your examples dont work
She hulk isnt hulk with a vagina, if she wasnt green or related to hulk you wouldnt even be comparing them
The thor story was good since she wasnt the 1st person to weild his hammer and had a completely different approach and personality plus he using the hammer makes her cancer worse and is killing her was something they couldnt do with thor
And iron heart was never made or written to be black girl iron man replacement again the only similarity is she had an armoured suit and was smart
@@vader2184 Maybe, but u gotta admit this movie did way better
"Miles Morales was a very mixed character for me"
I see what you did there
AHAHAHAHA IT'S BECAUSE HE'S MIXED HES HALF BLACK HAHA IM MIXED AS WELL HAHAHALOL
@@KoolRay HAHAHAHAHAHA YEAH DUDE UP TOP
I don’t get it. Is it because they mixed different versions?
@@gengarvenom It's because he's half black, did you even read the first reply?
@Dang Le I did. I guess I was just hoping it would be a good joke.
Me: Make a good movie.
Sony: I can’t do it on command-
Me: He can’t do it on command!
This.
This is gold.
@@ender_voide9344 It's not because all their past Spider-Man movies were good though
@@FraserSouris Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2: am I a joke to you?
@@echelon1014 Yeah, they were good
@@FraserSouris they were crap
“Miles would’ve been forgotten by history like that time Captain America got replaced by an impersonator named the USagent.”
I seriously can’t believe we live in a timeline where I can say that didn’t age well.
i came looking for this comment, lmao
i read this at the exact moment that the video reached this part
Funny enough i remember him because of the MvC games
is this the same as the time he got replaced by a skrull?
This is a great video which perfectly deconstructs both versions of Miles and explains why one is better than the other. It's also mind-blowing that you managed to criticise both Miles Morales in the comics and MCU Peter Parker in the same video without it feeling off-topic, so hats off to you!
AW CRAP GOTTA TRIGGER SCRUBBZ UHHHH UHM BLUE BLENDS IN WITH DARKNESS BETTER THAN BLACK
Scrubbz Animate it's not a good video lol, t think about how much this guy's cursing in front of children watching at the same time calling Spider-Man a quote on quote ass hole. this TH-camr is a joke
@@Rovorial I think your name makes honor to what you comment on youtube
@@Rovorial you are your username
Even kingpin was understandable. I mean the guy lost his wife and son. And plz look at the moment were alternate dimension Vanessa arrives at the final battle. I mean hear how he says that. In a vulnerable and emotional mannor. I actually cried for this guy.
That scene really made me sad for Kingpin, but it also cemented his villainy for me. Like he knows what he did wrong, but he chose to not change even though he knew he was hurting them.
@@dharanishakthivel7263 Thank you. I was waiting for a sensible person like you. Kingpin chose crime and he knows what that got him do. Instead of Change and acceptance he went the opposite direction.
Oh and do you think that Xavier should make a prototype retrospective??
RAINBOW RAGE Some ppl react to pain differently. It was his way of coping
He was a great villain with some cliche but sweet motives
Oh my god, how the hell did I never realize that MCU Peter is just white Miles?
@miles tom ehh not really they did take things from miles don’t get me wrong, Ned is a blatant copy of Ganke and his personality is a mix of miles and Peter at the end of his run in ultimate (mostly Miles). The thing with Rio and May is that they are just young and that’s it. In Homecoming we see may still be may for the most part being over protective of Peter and helping him out with his personal life. FFH is different because she’s reduced to just a pure gag of a character and only had one decent scene.
I wouldn’t say MCU peter is dependent at all he made his own suit and web shooters before tony came into the picture, he never called or asked tony to help him for anything. He at first cared about impressing Tony in HC but at the end he didn’t care about becoming an avenger that’s why he turned it down he learned that he doesn’t need to be an avenger to be a hero and the majority of the time he went against tony as well. Heck even Ultimate Peter never made his own suit and depended on MJ to always fix or sew his suit back.
The lego thing yeah sure that’s miles and Ganke’s thing but a lot of kids today build Legos so I see it more of modernizing the character and if Peter was being rewritten today without 50+ years of stories from the past I think there’s a good chance that he builds legos as well as it is seen as a nerdy/loser thing to do in high school.
Mid town isn’t like Visions as visions is a charter school while mid town isn’t. Just because Mid town is a science and tech school doesn’t mean every kid there is smart hell flash attends there and they made it clear that flash is a moron as he can’t answer any question right.
And lastly when Godzilla Mendoza brought up how peter is just white miles (like how you did as well) it is basically an oxymoron as Miles is just peter reskined with a few differences but yet you call peter white miles so you are basically saying peter is peter with just a few differences.
The fact that the media never caught wind of this is hilarious to me. They're always looking for ways to cry about white washing.
And Miles is just black Peter. We have come the full sircle 😆
@@borealsullivan5486 lmfao
If they were going to base it of miles why make him white right
Simply put they made him, a person
Excellent response.
Or they just defined his character and gave him his own persona yet respected the original character which is Peter Parker
Doesn't matter what color, what background, what age someone is; as long as you make them human with core principles like family, the audience can and will feel for them. These are the things shared by us all, and make each individual who they really are. Good characterization builds on those with the help of the set of qualities I mentioned first.
This is what happens when you have a diverse group of talented individuals creating a character. They’re able to imbued realistic character and cultural traits that may otherwise be missed by a writer from outside that characters cultural background/origin...
Into the Spiderverse was my first introduction to Miles. I thought the movie version was how he was in the comics. The fact that miles' character was basically re-built makes the movie even greater in my eyes.
same tbh i am not really invested in the comics and i thought this miles was the og, tbh he should be
@@LuneKidYT facts
Yeah, I didn't knew him, I was so exciting to read the comics after the movie
I started with Spider-Man PS4. I don't wanna get Miles Morales yet because I wanna get de-used to the controls so it feels good when I swing but I'd want to see this movie but I can't because of Different countries. I'll try anyway.
I hated Ultimate Miles for the reasons you stated. He was just Peter Parker but half black and half Hispanic (or exactly what Bendis likes to claim he wasn’t going to do). It didn’t help that they kept referencing how identical Peter and Miles were. But I loved Miles in Into the Spider-verse. He was unique, fun, interesting...basically everything he should have been when he was introduced.
I remember Marvel saying that with Miles Morales they could tell fresh original stories. Yet every story with Miles was a carbon copy of Peter. Hell, they even revealed that Mile's father was a SHIELD agent just like Peter's parents.
@@renatoism yeah they don’t really have any great writers to take on miles spider-man stories in marvel comics and they won’t change but the exclusive game and itsv movie differentiated him in many ways so hopefully in the future miles is more grounded and his own person with different wits then Pete he may not be the original but he is still loved but only people who are “woke” and call bullshit hate him
In his defense. Sometimes it takes a few tries to really nail the character but yeah. He was pretty bland
I agree. You can easily put teenage Parker and Miles together and you'll have two superheroes duo instead of a "repaint". That's how strong Miles Into the Spider-verse character is.
I forgot how powerful that Uncle Aaron scene was. Well until Kingpin showed up and we have to pretend that balloon is the most terrible thing
"Balloon, come back!" Oh, wait, no, wrong Spider-Man universe.
Balloon?
What balloon?
I too, am confused as to "what balloon?"
Would have been better if the father died like he was supposed to
I love the way they revamped Miles for into the spider verse and finally gave him his own identity instead of the bland version from the comics.
So literally everything Xavier said in the video?
Ah Miles Morales, basically a repeat of John Stewart's Green lantern. A character who was introduced to comics as "It's your favorite super hero, but black!" but had no effort put into making them interesting until they were put in the hands of a competent writer as a cartoon/movie and actually given enough of a personality to be considered just as good if not better than the original version.
I think that's a pretty gross mischaracterization of Miles Morales. Like he's definitely far from the best written comic book character, but he's not just a lazy race swap of Peter Parker. Trying to create a new iteration or spinoff of a popular superhero is a pretty common phenomenon in comics and Bendis obviously went the route of replacing the original character entirely. That doesn't mean that Miles is the same as Parker, rather that he is a unique take on the character of Spiderman. Would you have a similar problem with the British Spiderman or Spiderman 2099 or other variations of Spiderman?
@@maxturnacioglu8514 Did you actually read my post, and if so why are you commenting on it without knowing about John Stewart and Green Lanturn? The original Green Lantern was Hal Jordan who was replaced by various other Green Lanterns to reboot the franchise, one of which was John Stewart. Comic John failed because he was an incredibly boring character with the unbridled charisma of a glass of luke warm tap water you left on your night stand all night. That was because the writers were lazy and thought being black was enough appeal to sell and didn't bother beyond that. It wasn't until Justice League, a show that decided to use the John Stewart version, that he became known as anything other than a footnote since he was placed into the hands of competent writers who decided to write him as a character first. They did such a good job that the comics version of John Stewart was retconned to be more like the animated version and there's a sizable portion of people who grew up with the show, myself included, who firmly consider him to be the best Green Lantern.
If Miles was just a race swapped version of Peter that'd sadly be better, because Peter is an interesting character. Bendis just took an "Inner City Black Youth" template, stuck it in a spiderman costume and called it a day. You see, people don't actually have a problem with a new version of a hero who happens to be a different race. We see them all the time. What people are getting pissed about is that so often whenever we see them that people making it thing that they don't have to put in any effort beyond making the most superficial changes. Comics Miles failed because Bendis thought he didn't need to put in the effort to make him an interesting character since he thought being black was all that was needed to do that. Movie Miles succeeded because the writers realized a character's appeal exists beyond just the most superficial surface level traits.
@@Tomeroche Yes, I obviously read your comment, no need to be condescending. My point was that comics Miles Morales is different from John Stewart. I'm familiar with the origins of John Stewart and he was literally just a race swap intended to sell more copies. It was a greedy financial move with little effort behind it. However, I would really question your knowledge of Miles Morales, if you think that he is just an "Inner City Black Youth template". Yeah, Miles himself isn't the most interesting character, especially compared to his movie self, but Bendis wasn't attempting a lazy race swap like the writers behind John Stewart. There is a lot more to the Miles Morales story and character than him being black, like his young age and the issues that come with that when becoming a superhero. I feel like this is more of an issue of movie Miles being more interesting than comic Miles, so people just write off comic Miles entirely. Miles is a genuine character with more to him than his race, but if you refuse to see that then I won't argue the point further.
@@maxturnacioglu8514 You know I'm pretty sure there were people who thought the same thing for the original John Stewart. They tried to superficially make him a different character with a different personality and background than Hal but, again, he had the charisma of a slice of bread. The same thing with Miles, I don't even need to point out examples in this comment since the video above already goes into details on how disappointing the Bendis run was and all the lazy shortcuts he took because he didn't want to put effort into fleshing out the few bits of originality that existed in Miles.
Damn, these replies
Oh look, it's how you fix EVERY character made by Bendis: take that character away from Bendis and give them to literally anyone else
Accurate. Miles was always a great character with a lot of potential. Bendis just didn't know how to realize it.
facts
ultimate spider-man was good (the og peter parker run)
Miles & (more recently Riri Williams) prove that Brian Michael Bendis’ original characters are only interesting when other people are writing them.
@@ghostchick5275 Which is why I'm loving his new run at the moment.
Godzilla "Definitely Not a Spider-Man Channel" Mendoza
Boi
Well, he is a fan of Deadpool and Moon Knight, too. Among other heroes.
@@naveedclifton He hardly talks about Moon Knight. I would love him to make some videos on him tho. Maybe a costume tutorial.
name's godzillamendoza talks more about marvel than godzilla :/ makes sense
@@thetempleton6622 Xavier is like a comic book universe with continuity. It gets confusing.
almost every character in ITSV actually had character, they had depth and perception to their characters
Even thiccpin who had me and my brother in tears after he hit the screen
@Abigail Slaughter i stopped laughing after he crushed spiderman and my little brother was asking “he's just pretending, right?“
@@PancakemonsterFO4 omg, same :'C
I wanna see Donald Glover fully be the Prowler SO BADLY. I think it’s criminal that Donald never got to be Spider-Man when he was the right age for it, but I’ll settle for watching him fight Spider-Man.
Edit: I have now seen him in Across the Spider-Verse. However, I still feel he deserves a whole movie, not just a cameo.
hey man have you watched across the spiderverse yet ?
Across the Spider-verse: “Hey”
@@G055V That moment when an entire movie does the shoulder touch:
@@G055V “It’s rude to stare.”
Well, you got your wish now
Incidentally, Peter B. Parker acts a lot like 616-universe Peter did at the start.
Peter B. Parker is from the [in-move] 616 universe, so that makes sense lol
Wasn't he the first one to come to Mile's universe
@Cameron Overshiner I mean first one we see use his powers other than the dead boi
@@radicool21
My brother liked how they killed off Aunt May and _later_ MJ divorced Pete, instead of, say, Peter making a deal with the devil to bring back May and lose his wedding day to MJ because of it.
God, that just sounds so stupid.
That and the whole revealing his idenity in Civil War but going "no not really!" After the May incident and having Mustache Twins erase everyone's memories.
Tl;dr my brother and I agree those writers are stupid (or Marvel's just too flip-flopy for what they wanted to tell).
Peter B. Park IS from the 616 universe.
I love miles’ haircut in spiderverse
Same
It reminds me of his exaggerated swagger
is called an afro lmao
@@ZacSenshi Movie miles needs a fade like they did with insomniac miles has
@@vlahblah4785 nahhhh
I recommend reading the Miles Morales novelization, written by an author who actually originated in Brooklyn. It's closer to the comic's universe but gives Miles more characterization. He sheds light on the environment around him, Brooklyn to Visions Academy, along with his own differences and insecurities. To me, it's the best interpretation of the character next to Spider-Verse.
The book is phenomenal. My interview with the author about the Miles novel is here: th-cam.com/video/u8jJbYa0KFc/w-d-xo.html
Came here to suggest this. Finished the novel last night and loved it.
He used the cover for the thumbnail
Agreed!
Name of the novel?
I think we can now, two years later, say that Into the Spiderverse created the ‘definitive’ Miles. The new, great PlayStation exclusive Miles Morales is more based off the Into the Spiderverse Miles than any comic version of him.
I agreed with you until you said The Miles game is based more off into the spiderverse, I honestly absolutely hate insomniacs Miles he’s just a nerdy dorky cringe character, Like even in the first game he was making apps like wtf that’s peters thing being the smart tech guru and spiderverse fixed all of that giving Miles his own new passion in art and it really just made him his own unique character but insomniacs Miles is just a bad written character like they just slapped in the beat mixing didn’t really add anything to the character when he was already awful in Spider-Man PS4, Spiderverse Miles is my favourite version of Spider-Man but Game Miles is just awful
@jevz7512 do you now have a different opinions of Miles in insomniac
My favorite line from this movie is "Alright, let me tell you the good news. We don't need the monitor."
spiderverse crafted their characters in the most likeable way, that makes you care about each one of them!
Did you care about Spider-Man Noir?
@@agresivemartinformerlyagre1850 he was my favorite
@@wimiguel_7279 you might like the shattered dimensions game then
Also, for the comics, Jefferson Davis projects all his dislike for heroes and his failures on Miles to the point where Miles' mom, while she's dying in Miles' arms, tells Miles _not_ to tell his dad he's a spiderman. So... that's a lovely depiction of Black fathers, ya know. Lol. In the Into the Spiderverse movie, both Miles's dad and Uncle Aaron both really fucked me up and I cry every time. They're real characters and you truly feel it in their interactions with Miles.
I love that ending, Peter and Miles don't have to be the same. They shouldn't. They should be their own because in the end their main ideas compliment each other.
I always saw Peter's death differently. Miles outright refuses to use his powers because there already was a Spider-Man. But when he sees Peter die, he knows he could've done something about it, if he had become a hero sooner. If he worked with Peter, none of this would've ever happened. Now, maybe I'm reading too much into things, but that's how I see it. SpiderVerse still did it way better though
No its pretty blatent that peter is miles' uncle ben
@@megamonmon Well, obviously. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that even though Miles arrived too late to do anything, he knows that if he was a hero, he could've been there, and he could've done something. So Miles does have a reason to feel guilty
I fully agree
ArronZ M. But that’s the same thing, if you see something bad happening you have a responsibility to do something about it and Miles didn’t hence why he’s becomes Spider-Man because of the man he failed
Peter Parker is like Rocky; he has his own origin story and everybody loves him. Miles Morales, on the other hand, is like the Creed franchise, where the story is really similar, except that Adonis/Miles has to step out of his mentor's shadow and become their own person. I personally feel that makes for better storytelling, but why does my opinion matter? I'm just a stranger sent here by my parents from a distant planet called Krypton...
I already LIKE IT FOR THE PS1 MUSIC!!
Spectacular Spider-Man was basically an adaptation of the Lee/Ditko era. Which is fine it'll probably never be better than that.
MICHAEL379 God I miss that show!!!
Press *F* to pay respects.
MICHSEL379
Even in that they took several parts from the Ultimate Universe
@@mikemorro140 And the movies as well.
the raimi trilogy was the same thing
"Tom Holland doesn't come across as an angry hothead. i seriously can't envision a scene where his version of Peter Parker loses his temper..."
Well.
that part got me lmao
I was thinking the same thing.
That didn’t age well
🤣🤣🤣
yep.
When I first watched this with my friend she said he was unlikable in the comics. She pointed out how likable he was in the movie and how the movie did so good with his character arc glad someone else is talking about it.
Damn, I was hoping to discover Miles in comics, loving the film version but knowing nothing about him. Hopefully Marvel takes the film version and puts him in print.
wouldnt be the first time something from an outside source that was well received was made canon in the comics. if marvel was smart, they would reboot Miles and make Spider-verse the canon origin story.
@@Shiirow they did it for Tombstone, they can do it for Miles
forbiddenwar45 read Spider-Man (2016) this is the Miles Morales comic. It’s a great read. If I recall it’s only like 20 something issues. Brian micheal Bendis says a far well to the comic book character he created in the last issue. BMB moved on to DC to take over Superman’s comic.
@@fabianramirez7807 is that version more like the one from spider verse Miles Morales
@@vinegar4556 Another big was Harley Quinn DC grabbed from Batman the Animated Series were she truly was an OC
This video was spot on. As a black man and lifelong Spider-Man fan you'd think Mikes would have been right up my alley when he debuted. Alas, i found him BORING and didn't really see what he brought to the table so Pete remained my Spider-Man of choice. I just relate to him more regardless of race. This movie though? It made me love Miles. This character they've crafted is nothing short of incredible-err amazing. I love this film and I love what they've done to Miles. I hope this origin becomes THE canon origin for him. Also agreed abt ur take on MCU Peter.
Him being black really shouldn't make him"right up your alley.
@@fightingmedialounge519 did you even read my post? My whole point was that Miles being black didn't endear him to me despite our shared racial identity.
@@belakthrillby that is the thing people forget we all are human and can relate and should relate without boundaries to distance ourselves or divide just for outer appearance than what is inside.
@belakthrillby
Thank you for being sane.
Totally agree I hated miles but I ended up loving him after the film and hope the comics take cues from this
It feels like ever since this movie, Miles has become an iconic character in his own right, especially between this and the PS4 game. These past few years I've just accepted Miles as part of comic culture despite never really following Spiderman too closely, and I think that says a lot about how well this movie handled him.
Both this film and the Spider-Man game made me a fan of Miles.
Kyle Crofts Same before Spider-Man ps4 game I didn’t like miles
This is the best Spider-Man movie period, you can’t change my mind.
pff you wish
*best superhero movie
Andrew and Toby we're the best by far fym lol
Zany Ninja CGI is always good when it comes out. It’s refreshing, impressive and different. But the original Spider-Man, will always be the best im afraid.
@ isn't that everyones opinion , the original is always the best?
Into the spider verse is the best Spider-Man movie of all time in my opinion
Dqvincii I love how they say Spider-Man Doesn’t wear a cape but Spider-Man 2099 in the comics Does indeed wear web cape
@@Comiccollector239 not exactly a cape. It's very short , and is for gliding.
It really is
- M.D.N - true
Two words: Pizza Time
I like how the “cute girl” is the lizard and the “mad scientist” is Mary Jane
Did I misunderstand something because what "cute girl" was the lizard and when was mary Jane a "mad scientist"
@@dooplon5083im as confused as you
What hit home is the fact the Miles kept failing because he was only trying to follow in peters footsteps. But after the death of his uncle, how he said "your on your way, just keep going", and how peter's best advise was that he just had to take a leap of faith.
All this culminating into one thing, miles has to do this on his own terms, not peters.
And then he began to succeed.
I never read any Miles Morales Spider-man so I didn't know any of the source material stuff but from just a film-goer perspective, totally agree, really lovely fleshed out characters and motivations [a villain is hard to write as crazy yet sympathetic]. Handled the Peter Parker I knew, really well without beating us over the head with another one. It moves fast and trusts you're not a complete moron to catch it. So glad it was a hit and we'll see another one.
Spider-Man PS4 and Into The Spider-Verse are fixing Miles for the better more than his creator ever has, with sequel-esk things planned for the ITSV stuff, and a new Spider-Man Insomniac game, I think Miles will become a very good character, one we can put on the favorite list.
Yup and Gwen was also great in this.
Its funny how people are better receiving characters like riri and miles when bendis isnt writing them
How did spiderman ps4 do anything but give a generic take on miles? lol
Right? PS4 Miles is the closest Miles has ever been to being identical to Peter and it flat out removed the few unique elements Miles had to do so.
They made him a genius like Peter for no reason, killed his dad so we’ll never get a him vs Uncle Aaron dilemma in any form whatsoever and even took him out of his cool school to put him in the same one Peter went to.
Whoever wrote Miles in that game is the only person worse at writing him than Bendis.
Ps4's Miles is trash
For someone who never knew Miles Morales even existed until into the Spider Verse came out, and instantly made him my favorite Spider Man. I am SO happy they changed him into what he is now because damn I would’ve NEVER liked him or his story if they took it from what seems to be any source material.
Personally, I would be very confused if Mary Jane was a black guy
Its a black woman i orcording to the new Spiderman franchise wit Tom Holland
Yep Spiderman is straight lol
@@Ryantheman17 zendaya is MJ but it doesn't stand for Mary Jane
lol Patrick Ewing in a wig
@Hellbinder Next nah you're just racist. this isn't like black starfire which is a big part of her story. MJ is just another human New Yorker, it doesn't matter. Mj just needs the right personality... ALSO peter parker Married a black chick in the end. if you've seen his daughter in any future marvel event its obvious shes mixed. they also show the mom on occasion hell old man Logan teamed up with her and she took over a huge chunk of the us after the apocalypse
"A character needs some kind of motivation". *One-Punch Man music intensifies*
His motivation is that he was bored
Khalil Gordon I thought it was a kid who had balls for a chin that motivated him to be someone more than just an boring accountant
Vergil: Where's you motivation?
"just a hero for fun"
Thanks for referencing Walter White and not making it sound like he did anything other then be terrible. There is a lot of weird hero worship he gets.
yep. walt literally admits he did it all for himself, his ego. hes a bad person, hes not a hero, but people paint him as one as if it makes him a better character, which it doesn't.
I haven't read the comics and so just assumed the Miles in the movies is the same character in the comics. It is kind of cool to know that for once comic fans aren’t complaining about comic lore getting changed to make a more compelling movie adaptation.
Usually the movies are shittier than the comics tho. Which is saying a lot because the comics are messes
Uncle Aaron in the comics is just straight up an asshole. The movie made him a much more sympathetic character.
shoutout to donald glover for making miles morales even a thing
How does Donald Glover have anything to do with it? Beside playing The Prowler in Homecoming, yet never even show him as The Prowler. He actually played Miles in Ultimate Spider-Man Season 3 Web Warriors a few years back. So how did Glover making him a thing? WTF is that suppose to mean?
@@interwebpsychiosis because he brought the idea of a black spiderman years ago... And voiced the cartoon miles before sharee in the movie
Null Void correct me if I’m wrong but the creator of miles was inspired to make him after seeing Donald clover dressed as Spider-Man on tv
@@robree6203 but there was already a black spiderman before Donald brought him up
Static
@@somerandomboi7045 Live action Static Shock movie starring Shameik Moore when?
This movie is a bloody masterpiece.
lol yeah
And now there’s a miles morales game which seems really good. I’m starting to like Miles more than Peter ngl
bro... read spider-man life story
although i feel like the game was a bit rushed in terms of story, i still really do like it and it's still definitely better than the comics
@@jockeyfield1954 wasn’t rushed, just short. It’s kinda like a add on, not it’s own game
I cried so much because of this movie and even know a year later because it's so good and portrays such a good message. Be you, choose to do good and give your best.
Awww man, this was a great vid! I really enjoyed it as always, but holy fuck I had a really similar thought process but I'm glad I took it in a different direction.
The video I'm making right now is about Miles and revolves around Ultimate Peter's Death and how it was unnecessary to introduce him, it's going to be called, "Spider-Man PS4 is the Ending Ultimate Spider-Man Deserved,"
Anyway, another solid 10/10 video as always, great job Xavier!
Oh yeah. Spider-Man PS4 is probably the best way to do Miles without using alternate universes.
Perfect video hell to summarize this video..
“What makes you different is what makes you Spider-Man..”
You’ve made a complete video about one quote but so detailed.
"Tom Holland's spiderman isn't hotheaded and prone to ripping on someone"
oh boy that aged terribly
don’t do dat… 💀
Oh boy.
he still isn't a hot head prone to ripping on to someone because this man was calm for most of that movie and acted like any other person wouldn't and fell into a rage after his last family member died
No it didn't.
He’s definitely not a hothead
This described Bendis Miles in a nutshell. Bland. Spider-Verse gave him the flavor he needed. Miles as a concept is not problem, he had no personality is the issue in the comics.
“-but this kid proved it”
I’m moved. Stop making me cry.
Into the Spider-Verse made Miles my favorite Spiderman.
Me too
Me three.
Miles been my favourite
Fuck y'all talking about what about me anime girl
Jk I love miles to
I liked him as spiderman, but Peter is still my favorite spiderman
as someone who didn't know Miles existed until this movie came out, i still can't believe there was ever a version that basically cloned Peter.
Last time I was this early, earth-1610 was still a thing
it's alive now
I love how the "date a cute girl" and "fight mad scientist" slides are switched.
Raises some questions as to their relationship dynamics 😂
You know, someone said just giving Miles a personality would help him out. I now understand Homecoming Peter better and do feel this is a much improved Miles
The one thing I really like about Miles' personality was that Peter had this whole "Spider-Man" thing down with few hiccups, while Miles was on one hell of a bumpy road with potholes.
Peter's experience as Spider-Man seemed more forced, while Miles felt natural; a teenage kid struggling to learn the ropes, having to live up to someone's legacy, but also making his own. But Peter seemed to lose and still win. He had smooth sailing. (Well, however smooth sailing can be when your a superhero.)
Peter's humor was also kinda forced, while, on the other hand, Miles' humor was him just being awkward. He didn't have to make jokes to be funny. He could just be himself (though his whole character in the movies was him feeling like he couldn't, which gave him more depth as well). Miles felt like an actually hero, but Parker just felt like a glossed-over cake. He was too perfect. He didn't feel real. (Though, I still love my little red and blue spandex boy.)
That's probably cause it was an older time where Super heroes weren't allowed to mess up or lose and had to be perfect. Ultimate Spider on the other hand which is the more modern interpretation fucks up *constantly*
Which is also conviently the same story where Miles first appears.
that of mild monster's comment, and an interesting note i found. As he's from our actual universe (from his introduction of him swinging around time squaare with the digital billboard having the actual "Coca Cola" instead of Miles' "Koka Soda"), this is to reflect the harsh reality of what our superhero we looked up to is not anywhere as close as the happy friendly neighbourhood guy, but more of a reflection of our problems, the most human way possible.
can't believe you used the Stuart Little soundtrack for part of your background music
I KNEW IT
stuart little raped my cat
And at the bit about miles being a fish out of water too thats masterful
THANK YOU!! ITS WAS KILLING ME TRYING TO PLACE THAT MUSIC
I'm glad someone else noticed
I'm still hoping for a Rebel Taxi GodzillaMendoza crossover. Thanks Xavier for the heart!
Heck yeah! Xavier and David should be on an episode of the Pizza Party Podcast!
I've been hoping for so long, i want him to go on and talk about Bomb Squad 2, the official Pizza Party Podcast game
why would anyone want that?
@@dn22pkkdd476 Because Xavier reminds me a lot of Rebel Taxi.
WE'RE ALWAYS IN OUR CLUBHOUSE GETTING HIGH!!
13:00 every hero has some sort of uncle Ben. And then there's ironman, who has himself.
Nah, I don't know about the comics but the MCU version had Yinsen, who I'd totally say qualifies as an Uncle Ben even if just as a catalyst (He was the guy in the cave who fixed him up and died helping him escape the cave)
@@readmachine18 in the comics tony stark is a serious alcoholic and it ends up effecting both his lives. His suit is hacked and malfunctions killing a mayor or someone he was trying to protect. He doesn’t realize it was someone hacking his suit and blames himself and his alcoholism for the death. His uncle ben moment in the comics is his alcoholism lol
@@michaeldoucette204 Fair enough (since as I said in my comment, I don't know about the comics) but isn't an Uncle Ben moment usually something that happens *before* someone becomes a "hero"?🤔 And their death is what inspires them to *become* a "hero"? So while the death of that mayor/person due to Tony's alcoholism would be an important turning point for him as a hero and a person, I don't know if that would really qualify as an "Uncle Ben" situation. But that's just my personal perspective 😊
@@readmachine18 I wouldn't say that the Uncle Ben moment needs to happen before becoming a hero. As the video itself said, Miles had two, Peter and Aaron. The first made him want to be a hero to make sure that the legacy lives on. The second reinforces it, and helps Miles realize that being a hero means that sometimes, you fail. This being his Uncle Ben moment is reinforced by two things,
1) The fact that upon finding Miles heartbroken stating "You wouldn't get it", the response is effectively, "Not only do we get it, we had literally the SAME thing happen."
2) Once this moment has happened, Miles is able to actually grow into his own way of being Spider-man. He needed a major shock to not only let him come to terms with the fact that sometimes, you can't save them, but also to give his father the resolve to want to better reconnect with Miles to really help him grow into the hero he could always be. This is both of their Uncle Ben moment, in order for Miles to become Spider-man. You could call his father giving him the pep talk the real Uncle Ben moment there, but that doesn't happen without Aaron's death for both sides of it.
A rather ironic example of an Uncle Ben moment after becoming a hero in the opposite direction is Jason Todd, better known as the second Robin or the Red Hood. He started as Robin, and was effectively just a rerun of Dick Grayson.. and everyone hated him. His Uncle Ben moment is *his own* death. It propelled him to, after he got over himself and stopped being dead like a drama queen, make sure that no one could ever do what was done to him again, but instead of doing it like Batman, doing it his way. With bullets.
Didn't mean to basically say their arcs could be paralleled but I guess it helps prove my point. Basically though, the first death he had made him want to become spider-man. The second? That made him realize what being spider-man really meant.
Not to mention he's full of the exaggerated swagger of a black teen
I just rewatched this yesterday, and ALL of the emotional character beats for Miles are so beautifully handled. It's the best Spidey movie, for sure, specifically because it's so hopeful and inclusive at its heart.