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- Cliffe Knechtle has a great conversation with college students at a campus in the southwest US.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
I love that verse, “what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul.” Powerful
When this man squats he’s about to spit some fire
😂😂🤣🤣
Tackling the real issues 😂
I almost want to move to Connecticut to be able to go to this church! I just purchased my house here in Maine 2 months ago.
Man, your teachings have been very helpful. A blessing to hear. So where can I give to your ministry?
Thank you cliff for what you do and God bless you
That was a good talk at the end, Cliffe. Christianity is a process and not an instant change of attitude.
Great one but I wish it didn't end there! Lol, it was almost like a cliffhanger.
Cliffe-hanger
i see what you did there..haha
:)
This is refreshing and amazing to see on a college campus.
Thank you for the thoughtful message Cliffe
Cliff you're awesome. Heard about you from a bible study class last night.
Proverbs 16:20
He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the LORD, happy is he.
Thank you!
The burden of proof is always on the atheist
Agreed.
@Johnny. Surely if you're claiming there is a God, the burden of proof is on you. I'm simply saying "That God you believe in, I don't believe he exists", how do you go about proving it?. If i said I had a magic dragon in my garage, would the burden of proof be on me to prove it, or on you to disprove it?. If I make a positive claim, "there is a magic dragon in my garage".. isn't it incumbent upon me to prove it. ?
The burden of proof is on the Theist. The burden of intellectual consistency is on the atheist.
The Burden of proof is on the Deceiver, Cliff
God is a giant turtle. Laying universe eggs through out eternity. The burden of proof is on the atheist to prove me wrong.
Read her shirt, pray for her
Dannny Superb I like your avatar brother.
"Let God be true, and every man a lair." Romans 3:4
God bless
King of Kings and Lord of Lords thanks! Amen, just read that verse last night before bed 🤝
What does the front of her shirt say? or back??
Alangiuroiu it says love the lord your god with all your heart soul strength and mind and love your neighbor as yourself
Thanks, Its ironic that she has that on her shirt and she says she doesn't think there is only one way. Jesus was clear about that. I speak to a lot of Christians and they have no idea what the bible says. I looked at the stats and most Christians dont read their bibles and will bite them in the but one day. I was a christian that professed to be a christian and never liked reading the bible until a few years ago. I think the Holy spirit convicted me and now i have a desire to read and when i dont i feel spiritually hungry.
CLIFFES BACK!
This man is blessed by God, praise God 🙏🏿🙏🏿
That a decision to act or not act might arise subconsciously instead of purely consciously does not mean it isn't voluntary. Free will can be expressed subconsciously too.
There are no contradictions in the bible.
Alangiuroiu
The Bible Translations add 1 John 5:7 to the Bible !
This verse is not found in the original manuscripts.
Does 1 John 5:7-8 Have Added Text ?
Some person or persons in centuries past were so zealous to find support for their belief in the Trinity that they literally added it.
There are numerous Scholars in fact that inform us that this passage has a spurious comment which has been added.
The textual Scholar Bart Ehrman described this forgery as follows: “…this represents the most obvious instance of a theologically motivated corruption in the entire manuscript tradition of the New Testament.”
Thus the scholarly consensus is that this passage is a Latin corruption that found its way into a Greek manuscript at an early date while being absent from the THOUSANDS of other manuscripts.
This addition is so famous and hence so well known that it has even been given its own name and is called the “Comma Johanneum.”
Comma means a short clause.
Modern Bible translations come from two manuscripts called the Codex Sinaiticus, which has more edits than any other manuscript in Biblical history (14800 edits), and the Codex Vaticanus which comes from the Vatican.
These two manuscripts do NOT contain the Comma Johanneum and why this added text is not found in modern Bible translations other than the NKJV where it was added only to match the KJV.
The King James New Testament on the other hand was compiled from over 5000 copies of copies of the original manuscripts which have long since perished.
Now please take careful note that this added text was found in only ONE of the 5000 plus manuscripts.
THAT MEANS ADDED !
And so there is not one major theologian that does not acknowledge this fact.
And yet considering all the irrefutable facts, it is amazing that there are still some who go into denial rather than acknowledge this well-known corruption that is so famous that it has even been given its own name !
The English King James Bible translated in 1611 AD retains this Trinitarian forgery, but none of our modern translations have it except the NKJV where it was added to match the KJV.
The King James Version reads as follows, “For there are three that bear record IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. 8 AND THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN EARTH, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” 1 John 5:7-8
Thus the words in CAPS are found in the KJV, NKJV but are missing from almost every other translation.
Thomas Nelson and Sons Catholic Commentary, 1951, page 1186 states, “It is now generally held that this passage, called the Gomma Johanneum, is a gloss that crept into the text of the Old Latin and Vulgate at an early date, but found its way into the Greek text only in the 15th and 16th centuries.”
Here is how 1 John 5:7-8 reads from the NIV and most other Bible translations.
“For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”
Erasmus did not include the infamous Comma Johanneum of 1 John 5:7-8 in either his 1516 or 1519 editions of his Greek New Testament but made its way into his third edition in 1522 because of pressure from the Catholic Church.
After his first edition appeared in 1516, there arose such a furor over the absence of the Comma that Erasmus needed to defend himself.
He argued that he did not put in the Comma Trinitarian formula because he found no Greek manuscripts that included it.
Once one was produced called the Codex 61, that was written by one Roy or Froy at Oxford in c. 1520, he reluctantly agreed to include it in his subsequent editions.
Erasmus probably altered the text because of politico-theologico-economic concerns.
He did not want his reputation ruined, nor his Novum Instrumentum to go unsold.
Thus it passed into the Stephanus Greek New Testament in 1551 (first New Testament in verses), which came to be called the Textus Receptus, and became the basis for the Geneva Bible New Testament in 1557 and the Authorized King James Version in 1611.
“The passage as given in the KJV is in no Greek Manuscript earlier than the 15th and 16th centuries.
The disputed words found their way into the KJV by way of the Greek text of Erasmus
(see Volum V, page 141).
It is said that Erasmus offered to include the disputed words in his Greek Testament if he were shown even one Greek Manuscript that contained them.
A library in Dublin produced such a Manuscript (known as 34), and Erasmus included the passage in his text.
It is now believed that the later editions of the Vulgate acquired the passage by the mistake of a scribe who included an exegetical marginal comment in the Bible text that he was copying
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The disputed words have been widely used in support of the doctrine of the Trinity, but, in view of such overwhelming evidence against their authenticity, their support is valueless and should not be used.
In spite of their appearance in the Vulgate A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture freely admits regarding these words: “It is now generally held that this passage, called the Comma Johanneum, is a gloss that crept into the text of the Old Latin and Vulgate at an early date, but found its way into the Greek text only in the 15th and 16th centuries”
(Thomas Nelson and Sons, 1951, page 1186)”
- (The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, volume 7, page 675)
In reality, the issue is history, not heresy: How can one argue that the Comma Johanneum must go back to the original text when it did not appear until the 16th century in any Greek manuscripts? Such a stance does not do justice to the gospel: faith must be rooted in history. To argue that the Comma must be authentic is Bultmannian in its method, for it ignores history at every level. As such, it has very little to do with biblical Christianity, for a biblical faith is one that is rooted in history.
Significantly, the German translation done by Luther was based on Erasmus’ second edition (1519) and lacked the Comma. But the KJV translators, basing their work principally on Theodore Beza’s 10th edition of the Greek NT (1598), a work which itself was fundamentally based on Erasmus’ third and later editions (and Stephanus’ editions), popularized the Comma for the English-speaking world. Thus, the Comma Johanneum has been a battleground for English-speaking Christians more than for others.
Unfortunately, for many, the Comma and other similar passages have become such emotional baggage that is dragged around whenever the Bible is read that a knee-jerk reaction and ad hominem argumentation becomes the first and only way that they can process this issue. Sadly, neither empirical evidence nor reason can dissuade them from their views. The irony is that their very clinging to tradition at all costs (namely, of an outmoded translation which, though a literary monument in its day, is now like a Model T on the Autobahn) emulates Roman Catholicism in its regard for tradition. If the King James translators knew that this would be the result nearly four hundred years after the completion of their work, they’d be writhing in their graves.
you're awesome.....
Amen!
Great video Cliffe, bring these atheists home.
Good stuff
JESUS is KNOCKING on your HEARTS DOOR.
Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Everybody makes mistakes and fails to try, or tries and falls short of the target.
Everybody hurts God in doing so.
We are created, it's no accident.
Everybody needs reconciliation with God or they cannot expect anything on the other side. We face punishment for being a sinner.
Everyone sins in ways they try to rationalize.
If Mohammed can't save you from sin, and buddah can't save you from sin, and worshipping trees rocks, animals and people is obviously not the path to God, And money, possessions, and reputation lead to emptiness and loneliness, all I have left to say is that loving Jesus and your fellow humans feels alot better when you try it putting off selfishness.
Jesus lived the sinless life , He is the exception. He forgave His murderers.
Who can do this?
To me, He is God. He can forgive us having conquered sin and death by His rising from the dead as He said He would.
Those other paths lack the reconciliation we can get by putting our faith in Christ.
That's why I can't knowingly choose another path and think it leads to heaven.
It's not just a wide path where everybody just rushes in.
It's a narrow path.
When buddah teaches you should detatch and give up your desires at a time of great loss like death of a loved one, I think that's unhealthy.
I think you need a grieving process you can go through.
Depending how you function it can be different. There are some ways that have been studied. Embrace the truth having learned the truth. That person has passed from this life. They are with Christ and it's in His hands to resolve with them there. They say you can pray for the soul of someone you lose in this way.
You can also meditate and share what comes up with a counselor or clergy or pastor.
Bottling it up and detatching from it is the part I would find unhealthy having read about grief therapy and several methods to release those feelings after having honestly felt them. Then let that person go to God. Yeah, it sucks.
But you will see them again when it's your time to go there. God willing.
Whenever I need to be cured from being impolite to the children of disobedience,(which I once was) who invariably take the form of combative atheists, I find that if I watch some of those Utube videos, of near death experiences, of those who went to hell and came back, I get cured. If you do this you will loose your rancour, if you have any to loose. Your profound realisation that, their destination of hell is going to be such a dreadful place, will give you such a pity, that your rancour will break into a million smithereens. We should all watch these videos. Check out, if you will, Shawn Weed's NDE testimony, when he accidentally hung himself and a demon took him to hell. But there's lots of these videos out there and hey we should watch them. They do actually improve us.
Is there anywhere I can watch this full discussion?
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Heaven is Rulership and Hell is Captivity. Isaiah 14:12 24 For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth. meaning that Esau's kingdom is ending and Jacob's kingdom is beginning with our king Christ
So we pretend we have freewill and lie to ourselves because lying to ourself makes things better??? I think I will go with Jesus who said the truth shall make things better.
Real quick question to ask an atheist who says “we can’t judge religions”. Okay ask this. “My religion teaches eating children is good. Am I wrong?”
I would say based on my experience that all roads lead to Jesus. This is what we call God's grace. Jesus is the only way to God. To say otherwise is a major contradiction to his teaching and revelation. Shalom
I would agree but follow up with the question of what happens when the person reaches Jesus? If they reach him after death having lived in sin or idolatry what happens?
All roads do NOT lead to Jesus . Did you watch the video? Are you Born again?
Alangiuroiu are you saying someone who is an Atheists, Buddhist, Jew or Muslim etc cannot come to Jesus? That is what I mean by all roads. Yes, I'm reborn. Per Jesus the way to the father is through him. The choice is up to the individual after hearing the Gospel if they want to accept God's grace. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Jesus is the word of God. The word became flesh. It aligns with what is happening around the world. Many Jews and Muslims are having visions of Jesus. Christianity is exploding in China. God is working
Brian Anderson that is a good question but under your case did the person hear the gospel? Did he have knowledge of salvation? Not sure why Jesus would appear to anyone who had the opportunity to hear his message and reject it. What would appearing after death do? If that matters than what is the purpose of faith?
Not quite what I'm saying. There are people that say "all roads lead to heaven" and they mean it doesn't matter what you believe who how you live, you're going to go to heaven. I would disagree with this and profess that Jesus didn't teach that. When I say "all roads lead to Jesus" what I mean is that everyone will eventually, either this side of heaven or the other, stand before God as one saved by the blood of the lamb by faith or condemned in their sin. Every atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, druid, etc. will stand before the same God and he will either say "well done my good and faithful servant" to those that have repented and put their life in him or "depart from me you workers of lawlessness" to those that have not.
That's why I asked. I wasn't sure if you were saying that because of the cross everyone goes to heaven regardless of creed or deed.
Whether a person has heard the gospel or not is irrelevant for if you could be saved out of ignorance of Jesus then telling someone about Jesus is literally the worst thing you could do for their soul. Further, scripture consistently teaches that one can ONLY be saved through believing in Christ and submitting to him as Lord. Does God make exceptions to this? Maybe. In the case of infants who die, the mentally handicapped, etc. We can't know for sure but we can trust that the good just judge of the universe will do what is right. But it's important to remember that the Gospel isn't about a God who came to inform people about him who previously didn't know him but to ransom those in rebellion against him and bring them back into relationship with him.
As far as people like Abraham and David and other Old Testament Jews go, they may not have known the name Christ but they either loved and sought the triune God who Christ is of one substance with or they strove for lipservice and performed ritual and sacrifice as a tradition but in their hearts were far from him. It seems the former would have been saved and the latter would not. We know not all Jews went to Abraham's bosom based on Jesus' story of Lazarus and the rich man.
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The argument the guy brought up about the "Yes-No" button is total nonsense. He completely misunderstands the whole science experiment n what it even proved... It didn't prove you didn't have Free Will. It just simply proved that we figured out how to create an A.I system that is self-learning... & able to read your brain patterns n basically have a FASTER REFLEX than you... That's it!.
Heaven and hell are creations of desire.
Exactly! God desired a place of moral perfection, so He created Heaven. God also desired a place for evil to be destroyed, so He created Hell.
@@Malhaloc Christianity doesn't care whether you do good or evil. Only if you believe
@@CJBlake-ym6ky Incorrect. We are rewarded for good. Our evil has already been punished.
@@Malhaloc You are rewarded for good only if you believe in the Bible
@CJBlake-ym6ky Well...yeah. You mentioned Christianity. That pertains to the Bible.
It's not a Toooma
I felt second hand embarrassment for the second guy, my God 🤦🏻♂️
This young man has just enough knowledge to make him delusional. Cliffe explained it accurately: There are quite a few elaborate theories within atheism and materialism but only a sociopath can live their lives with those theories.
Rational people realize that we must live our lives knowing that free will exists and that our actions can and will have consequences. If not, questioning Cliffe would be irrational since Cliffe would have no ability to stop sharing the Gospel with others.
Furthermore, people mean different things when they use the term atheist. Some atheists, like dawkins, insist that there is no God and that those who believe that he exists are practically evil, while others simply have yet to see convincing evidence.
@chemiah, yes, this whole subject of free will is quite interesting, one of the problems I see is that the Christian deal with free will comes with a heavy coercion, ..accept what we are saying, or face eternal punishment of some description. I've used the analogy in the past of a Mafia boss saying, let us look after your shop, .. or you may find it gets destroyed in the middle of the night. Now what is the shopkeeper to do?, the smart move would be to accept the Mafia boss's offer. The 'free will' offer comes with a huge condition. It's the same with the Christian free will offer, well, actually, it's far worse if you don't accept it personally, .. it's eternal damnation.
Shouldn't a free will offer be free of coercion and threat?
My honest opinion is that I don't see any evidence of God, ( i genuinely don't), so am i free to say "Thanks, but no thanks" to the Christian offer of salvation and just go and live my life as a honest human being doing the best I can to get by in life?, or should I be dishonest to my own conscience an pretend that I believe in God/Jesus? Surely God ( if he existed), would know that I wasn't being true to myself.
bonnie43uk What a superb explanation. Yes, this subject beyond dense and there is no easy answer. Your statement addresses perhaps the most difficult aspect of the Christian worldview.
Despite what many Christians say, the bible does not emphasize free will but the sovereignty of God. See Romans 9. Consider this, expecting God to give us free will in a universe without consequences does not strike me as rational or reasonable. Even hell is described with such metaphor that it can be nothing more than obliteration.
I believe you when you say that you have yet to find convincing evidence and so you live your life with as much decency and humanity as you can, but that is not sufficient for an entire society. Without God as the standard and judge of behavior, our mercurial nature will eventually fall into corruption, violence and darkness.
Yes, i think you are right, the bible doesn't actually specify this 'free will' deal, but It does seem a big part of the Christian message. I think it comes up in conversations concerning 'why is there evil in the world'?, and the answer from Christians, besides the fall of man (originating in the Adam and Eve story), is that God has given us free will. He doesn't want us to be robots. You don't have to believe in a God to believe that our actions have consequences, I am fully aware that if I do someone wrong, it's solely my responsibility, sometimes i feel the Christian is using this 'forgiveness card' as an easy way to get out of accepting responsibility, you ask God for forgiveness, and he's promised if you accept him as your savior, he will forgive you. I think that is wrong and it's a kind of easy opt out of taking ownership of your own wrongdoing. Surely, the person you need to ask forgiveness from is the person you have wronged. And they are under no obligation to forgive you if they so wish. Everyone will make mistakes and hurt other people in some way, it's part of life, the thing to do is to take ownership of your wrongdoings, and learn from it, it builds character and makes you into a better person.
Moses didn’t disagree with Jesus. Moses predicted Jesus. “Terror and dread fell upon them, by the greatness of your arm they became motionless as stone. Until your people pass over O Lord, until your people pass over whom YOU HAVE PURCHASED” Exodus 15:16
Debunking free will is really a way of downplaying social and moral responsibility. The ‘moral loophole...’ 😆
It's up to the individual to make their own investigations isn't it. We are responsible for our own salvation. Yes God wants to save us and we will be saved if are obedient to God via His son Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh. Also it's up to us to find out what bibles actually contain the truth. Gail Riplinger who advocates the KJV in her book "New Age bible Versions," clearly lays out the evidence for you to look at and therefore make your own decision. But hey, you can watch her videos on Utube too. I think she is very interesting.
Why do we not punish kids as adults? Is it due to them not having free will? NO! They are inexperienced in controlling themselves & may be dealing with things in their childhood they are not able to handle. They have free will, but are ignorant of the right choice or lack discipline.
What happens to that same person if they do not change, willingly as an adult (it requires work)? We put them in jail as adults. Why? They has free will the entire time, but refused to use it properly.
Great Job Cliffe!
That is society, what you are talking about. Not God, not free will.
You have a too simple view of the World. Its not God,that makes you take the road you want to go, its other people. Your whole life experience,morals,wishes, its all based on other people.
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I can see how you might think that. Nothing is that cut and dry. Of course society isn’t God.
Still, given we live in a Western society that has a founding on Christian ideals, I should expect some remnant of that ethic to persist in our culture. As such I can then draw from that common ground between God’s absolute ethics and the subjective ones society uses. There is over lap.
Jesus uses this same idea when speaking of a person blundering into a situation being less severely punished VS someone who was aware of the violation before hand. You punish the one who accidentally did it less, due to intent. I can cite the passage if you want it.
Do you still think I miss applied it?
10:30 Edward Snowden?
Do yourself a favour. If you don't believe in the supernatural God then, if you've got the guts, check out some of these near death experiences where people have landed in hell and came back to tell the story. Frightening stuff. But maybe you'd prefer to pooh pooh it. Hey it's your funeral. But if you've got the guts check out Shawn Weed Hell testimony or Mario Martinez, man sees unspeakable horrors in hell.
Chicken or beef
The word atheist is defined as without God just like asexual means without sex.
They burned cats because they believed they were connected to witches. Kid you need to go back to the books!
Hello how can I can I contact Mr Cliffe
Through website
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thanks guys
You can contact him via email at cknechtle@hotmail.com or by phone 203-966-8431
Only one way to heaven and that's thru Jesus Christ. Also the problem now days is that almost all pastors are preaching the prosperity gospel or God is only Love gospel, in other words a light gospel. Everything is about a soft gospel that no matter what you do as long as you go to church once a week you are consider a christian or if you believe in God your way you are saved! Where is the real gospel? The good and bad news? Why should people repeat the sinners prayer when is not biblical and it doesn't saved and it doesn't show they are a new born christian?
The Great Theological Dilemma of the whole Bible is in this question:
"... How can God, being a Just Judge, forgive a sinful Man, but never cease to be righteous? ..."
If God forgives the Sinner when He comes ONLY with REPENTANCE to him, then
That would generate a triple legal problem:
- 1º: ... God would become an unjust Judge because He would not be doing JUSTICE.
- 2º: ... the sinner would not receive what he deserves, which would be another injustice.
- -3 º ... paradoxically, the sinner asking God for forgiveness directly would be bribing God and that would be a crime or sin: ... as saying "do not do justice"
That is three injustices in that action of repentance.
So that God can forgive man without ceasing to be righteous,
-fore must satisfy the Justice that produces their sins and
- must appease his Wrath, produced by those sins.
In this way, he can forgive the man.
To accomplish all this, God designs this plan:
ON THE CROSS...
- 1st an innocent, Jesus, the Son of God is offered as a substitute,
- 2º God the Father when punishing and killing his Son, satisfies the Justice of God and ...
- 3rd, the Eternal Wrath that the sinner deserves to receive in the Eternal Damnation is appeased.
Therefore, through the Cross, God the Just and Holy Judge can do two things at once:
- satisfy your Justice and your Wrath and ...
- can forgive the man who believes and receives this by faith.
Then, theological dilemma RESOLVED!
When man repents and believes this, now God forgives him.
As the wages of sin is death, (Rom 6:23)
- * on the cross Jesus physically dies as a man and also
- * on the cross breaks the eternal communion between the Father and the Son (spiritual death).
The two deaths that man will experience because of his sins, were experienced by the Son of God on the Cross.
Polo glasses guy reeeeeally doesn't know the time of day. He just reeeeeally doesn't know
blaby4ever ... It's all an illusion. He wasn't there by free will.
She doesn’t think we have the RIGHT to determine what’s true? The debased mind, folks
Ugh. Kid at 18:14 annoys me.
The "burden of proof" falls on the religious, or "I merely lack a belief" are lazy arguments.
There are only two possibilities:
We are created
We are NOT created.
Being a fence sitter and saying you merely lack a belief has no say whatsoever on the beginning of reality, until you dip your toe down and start insisting things from an atheistic perspective, suddenly you "do" believe in something.
Dishonest.
But then, he is young.
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Dude, no one cares...
A Chicken Wing Obviously you do ; )
@@chickenwing2453 congratulations, you've played yourself
@@sedlak87 This was 4 years ago bro 😂
@@chickenwing2453 history is a legitimate source of knowledge 🙃
Why can't that college kid live that way? Of course he can. You are telling him that he can't live that way. You choose to live the way you do.
But it's stupid to actually live like if you don't have free will and hurt everybody.
@@vincentmiles9848 How is he hurting anyone?
@@stevewyche5232 If I hit someone, that's quite rude. I never stated that he actually hurt anybody, just that if I punched everyone around me with the excuse that I don't have free will, that's bogus.
@@stevewyche5232 live it out, you'll see.
Is Cliff a Lordship Salvation False Gospel Teacher?
No but you are clearly a chub deluxe.
Good video, I agree with the 2nd person who says 'atheism is not believing in God' I think Cliffe is mistaken when he disagrees with him and says "An atheist is someone who says there is no God", speaking for myself and virtually all the other atheists I know, we don't totally reject the idea of some God out there, it's impossible to know for sure. I'm pretty sure the Abrahamic God of the bible doesn't exist, but there is always the tiniest chance he may do, in my humble opinion.
thats an agnostic, when they're not sure. if they're sure there isnt a God, they're an atheist.
Exactly Tom, if I was completely sure that there is no God, I wouldn't be discussing it with theists, I guess you wouldn't either if you were that sure, most of us are not that sure as you say, Cliffe is probably referring to the extreme end of the scale, there probably are one or two hard atheists who are sure that there is no God (not many of those but they do exist) and those ones wouldn't bother to get into discussions about it, the fact that we are willing to get into discussion with theists should demonstrate to them that we are open and willing to change our minds, more to the point, if a God really does exist, this God himself ought to know that we are willing to change our mind and meet us halfway in terms of giving us more to help our unbelief, presuming we need help.
I agree John, I think even Richard Dawkins who many consider a hardline atheist has gone on record as saying on a scale of 1 to 7 how sure he is there is no God, he's a 6.9. To some extent, I can see the appeal of believing in an invisible overseer who is looking down on us and having a certain degree of influence on our lives, it's mentally comforting for many people to have that assurance, particularly if life isn't going well, it's good to believe that there is hope of a better life, so from that perspective I can see the appeal. But as Cliffe also said, it's good to doubt and to question your own reasoning.
Steve Mcrea has a debate on this topic in his channel where he brings on an atheist philosopher with a PHd to say that atheists should stop the current year definition that's really just used to not commit to the implication of atheism.
@profounce, yes indeed, agnosticism is being unsure in regards to a belief in God, but it kind of gives the impression that you are maybe wavering 50/50 there could be a God, or maybe not. My stance is more I'm pretty certain that God does not exist, but I am also leaving an element of doubt. In regard to the Christian God of the bible, my certainty of his non-existence is about 99.9%. I would not call myself an agnostic in that regard.
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