Colt Canada / Diemaco C7 Rifles & C8 Carbines in Ukraine
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- We’ve seen a large number of different small arms being transferred to Ukraine, including a large number of different 5.56x45mm chambered rifles - in this video we take a look at the Colt Canada / Diemaco rifles and carbines which have been seen.
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Being Dutch, i instantly recognised the C7A1. Its the same rifle i used a lot when i was in the Dutch army.
As a Danish LMG soldier from 2009 to 2011 I can confirm we used the 3.4x Optics and Red dots
Fucking Elcan sigter hadet dem 🤣😂
Ex Canadian Army Weapons Tech here, this was an awesome video, super interesting to see our service rifle there. Keep up the fantastic work.
I suspect the Netherlands donated the C7's. They have become redundant for them but were still maintained and used for training purpose. So could've easy been deployed into service in Ukraine without much work needed.
I seem to recall Holland purchased FN produced M16A2s rather than C7s.
The Korps Commandotroepen use HK416s.
I wouldn't put it past the Canadian Govt either though, with all that new NATO money floating around we could potentially replace all of the older C7 and C8s in service with new built ones at the very least.
Also worth noting that these are closer to Canadian army spec than the Dutch ones. The Dutch slapped new railed handgaurds on most of theirs IIRC.
@@zoiders where did u ever get this info from
@@maxo.9928 The C8A4 (effectively M4A1 Mod 2) is supposed to replace all C7 and C8 eventually. It's currently being procured.
If Denmark had donated the C7 rifles, they would most likely have had a danish HMAK marking with a crown on the lower receiver. Denmark does also not use the 6x powered scopes, they use the C7A2 3.4X optics for both rifles and machineguns.
Sadly, none of the photos available have been hi-res enough to check for HMAK / Crown so at time of recording couldnt rule it out! Thanks, I didn't think they used those scopes.
That would be removed and remarked
@@tomhenry897 It cannot. Its laser engraved into the rifle. Can’t just remake it. It is certain Denmark didn’t send Ukraine rifles.
They could be old Dutch rifles. The dutch have Dutch markings and a leaf. I have a close up if you want it .
@@deedeeko9 yeah it's more than likely dutch donated rifles.
It always warms my heart to see Canadian built weaponry floating around on the modern battlefield in the hands of the people who should be using them.
Like the Azov battalion? You might wanna look them up. Some of the people who "should" be using them? I think not...and I'm sure you'll agree if you bother with a quick Google search. Or maybe it won't bother you at all cause you're a Nazi...you decide.
Lmao yea war is peace ✊🏿
@@nativeamerican7424 stay mad
@@garettdoornwaard4822 bruh Azov isn’t even a percentage of a percentage of the Ukrainian armed forces. Most Ukrainians are not Nazis.
Hell the Russians have more Nazi soldiers than the Ukrainians do.
@@nativeamerican7424 peace isn’t worth the price of slavery.
I did 12 years as a medic and two tours of afghan and my c8a2 was the best weapon I ever used
Ex Canadian combat medic here. Great to see Ukrainian using em.
A lot of typical AR enthusiasts have never experienced the beauty of a 20in barrel. So much smoother. So much easier to make distance shots. They're just butter.
Gotta love a Canadian made product that if you want to buy as a Canadian, the laws would basically say 'only reason you could want this is to go on a shooting spree, so banned". Can't have a passion for firearms here unfortunately.
Yay! It’s awesome to see you finally cover 5.56 rifles. Thanks for the email btw.
Promised I'd get to them!
0:46
Man nothing like a full rifle length AR pattern (/colt Canada now)
To just warm my heart...
Bet it just shoots so smooth
Seeing that made my day, and I'm only 46 seconds into the video
Spoke way too soon... This is a Sunday miracle to see all those... TAB is definitely the best channel to subscribe to..
Also 3:35 what I wouldn't give for a American civilian version of that, the green buttstock 😘
What could anyone else ever want?
Other than the cool paint jobs on them...
Wish I had a touch more cash... Got my heavy Barrel f top upper 20" sitting under my bed from when money wasn't tight...
Just need to finish it off with a rifle stock and reciever... But I guess everyone has the thing they wanna finish but don't have the cash... Be it a bayonet collection, flare guns, waiting for more new TAB coloring books...
We all got something we wish we could finish
Always aim to please haha. Thank you.
As a Canadian it makes me happy to see these fall into the right hands.
Wooo I can’t wait until we finally declare war, we’ll probably just lose Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City, Vancouver and (god-willing) Victoria. Keep sending em boys!
@@technolibertarian8817 declare war on who?
@@baneofbanes the Russians. You know, us being part of NATO and our endless eastward expansion.
@@technolibertarian8817 Pfft lol. NATO membership is voluntary. Eastern Europe wouldn’t join NATO if not for the centuries of aggression they’ve suffered from the Russians.
This later war just proves that NATO membership is the right route. Russia doesn’t have the right to have dominion over Eastern Europe.
Hell if it wasn’t for NATO the Baltic nations episode likely been invaded years ago.
@@technolibertarian8817 and regardless, the Russians are being pushed back by the Ukrainians armed with NATOs leftovers. The Russians couldn’t set a foot in North America without being totally annihilated by the Americans.
When I went to basic training for the United States Army in 1969 we were issued brand new M-16s. They didn’t even have the forward assist on them that the other ones had on them. We had three of them that failed the function on the first time they were fired. But come to find out that was operator headspace not the weapons problem.
That M 16 has come a long way
I tried in my entire tour of Afghanistan, as a LAV Bison CC to get the C8(much easier to maneuver around in due to size! The next tour got them. 🇨🇦 Veteran
It is possible they came from the UK as parts of the Airmobile Brigade, RA, RM, SFSR and SF all used both the C7 and C8. The Minimi Para being present makes me suspect they came together as part of a package of arms as the UK have a lot of Minimi going spare since they were withdrawn from service.
Quite possibly of UK origin difficult to be sure. There are a lot of M249s about but also a fair few Minimi Paras so they could definitely be ex L110A2/A3s.
Yeah I thought the same seeing the mix probably UK weapons
They definitely have to be Dutch C7A1s. The Devtek (Diemaco) lowers are definitely from the Netherlands if they have a “NL” suffix on the serial number. Devtek lowers are typically export rollmarks. Danish C7s would have a royal crown rollmark with the text “HMAK” underneath the crown icon, where newer Danish Colt Canada lowers would use the same crown rollmark but with the letters “FMT.”
Thank you for the markings info!!
Big fan of your videos on atypical/unique service rifles!!!
Glad you enjoy them! Next up F2000!
Looks like Canada loves to use the letter “C” to designate the guns. Here’s some examples of other famous nations using a particular letter; the US uses the letter “M”, the UK uses the letter “L”, and France uses the letter “F”.
Don't forget Germany's various including G and DM
Different meanings in different countries. M in the US usually stands for model, L in the British armed forces stands actually for Land Service
I'm n old guy who used the FN-C1 & C2.
cool seeing all the various small arms being used
ive had the pleasure to use these as my work rifle and i love them. they can be a bit beat up and there a bit long but its a accurate rifle with almost no recoil
Question, aren't the C7 and C8 rifles pretty sturdy to take punishments.
@@vothbetilia4862yeah definitely these look pretty new compared to ours
This is a super cool video! The c7 is a beautiful rifle and handles very well. Glad to see a video about it
Thanks for watching!
that was a fascinating video. cheers.
I keep seeing more and more AR clones in Ukraine, and as a Retired US Army Soldier, it makes me feel all warm inside. There's a reason SOF forces across the planet love them so much! Trusted my life to several AR types, mostly M4 and M16A4, on 3 deployments to the Middle East and would take one any day over the obvious secondary choice of AK's. Victory to Ukraine! Stay strong Brothers, you're almost there, and the world is with you!
I hate the term "clone" when describing the C7 it's made with top notch materials and tooling, it's superior than American made military AR's plus it comes in the classic CADPAT green.....Shame Trudeau is also banning weapons for the military.
I left the Danish Army in 2014. By my C7A1 had been replaced with the C8IUR. The Danish National Guard still use the C7A1 and C8.
The Army and National Guard tried to implement the Diemaco LSW as a substitute for the MG3 in the infantry squads in the early 2000's. The LSW's are now in storage.
Excellent analysis, especially considering that we are talking about the AR-platform in which furniture and other parts are often so easily mixed-and-matched in the field. You could find Diemaco receivers with US Colt parts or vice versa. Also, these rifles are donated with whatever parts the donor armory happens to have lying around - spanning different generations of the AR-platform. The only way to really know the story of these C7s/C8s is to find a pic of a receiver up-close and match the serials with official docs - which is obviously a tremendous task in an ongoing war.
Very cool thank you
Denmark uses the C79A2 optic on most of their m95 m96 and m10 as the standard. Sometimes also red dots.
Shoutout to old mate at 2:57 looking cool as hell rocking the FNC.
I wonder if we'll see Diemaco LSWs in action eventually, Denmark and the Netherlands are their main users after all.
Brings back memories! Started basic 1988 learning C1A1 FN FAL. (My Fav) by 1990 move to C7 (Iron Sights) by 1991/92 using C7A2 with Elcan. My new fav by then was the FN Mini with Elcan. (Cut down a frkn tree at 200 m with that thing!)
You hit the sweet spot of getting time behind most of the major small arms Canada has used over the past 50 years!
Thank you to whoever donated hem. They are put to good use!
Arming nazis is "good use"? Wow bud. Do some research
You can be sure the will be getting paid by someone probably Nato to give them Aid is never free..
I’ve only heard good things about the C7 and C8, let’s hope they give good service to the Ukrainians
The rifles are great. The C79 sights are pretty bad now compared to modern standards, the glass on them are foggy and they wobble under recoil due to the external adjustment systems being worn out.
Does it come with artillery deflecting properties? Let's ask Von der Liar's 100,000 officers........
It appears they are not available for comment.
@@Kulayyu Daw, look at how salty you are! So cute!
Diemaco did a lot of things right. They were the choice of the SAS when that unit was looking for a 5.56 carbine.
Indeed the C8 SFW became the basis of the L119 after very extensive testing.
On min 3:49 and the other footage ahead of it with the C8's are actually C8 sfw's you can tell by the sleeve on the barrel and the tri rail as you mentioned on the front, Larry vickers has a video all about it
Check the serial number. If it starts with NL, you know its Dutch.
the c7a1(m95) in denmark is only used by the queens guard and home guard. the army/navy/airforce have been using the c8iur(m10) since 2010
Loved these rifles with the ELCAN optics, 3.4 zoom imo is perfect for the fight they're fighting. Accurate, reliable rifles with a good round. I prefer these over the new Dutch C7A1's to be honest.
In the pre triad mount era, we would duct tape maglights to out C7's. It is good seeing C7's putting in the work. I carried a C7 in the Canadian army in the 90's. It it an excellent rifle.
Funny enough people still tape pressure switches on the hand guard and it’s a pain when you take it off to clean it as you have to re tape it
I hope we see some cool parts kits after this war.
see one of c8 on shooter range. looks like quality version m4 recce. elcan is interesting glass
I'm excited to see more of the weapons being used in ukraine conflict.
Both the Diemaco C7a1 as the FN Minimi Para were in use by the Dutch Air Assault Brigade (11 Air Mobile Brigade). I believe they are already obsolete, so it would make sense they have been donated for the Ukrainians to use. I would expect some of them also equipped with an underslung (AG36 H&K grenade launcher) as they were introduced in 2003 in combination with the C7a1.
The c7nld and c8nld are the coolest c7a1 and 8 types imo
You can tell the origin by the SN# Netherlands will have a postfix of ND and Dane ones will have DK but they will have a crown with HMAK. So looking at the rifles you showed they came from the Netherlands. They had the Devtec D on the side of the Magwell, My guess is if you see the sn# it will have the ND postfix. There is always a possibility they were COTS guns without any identification of who the end user was but I doubt it. This comes from research I did for my book Black Rifle 2/Americas Rifle
Absolute possibility of COTS SNs now Canada have ordered guns from Colt group.
the danish elcan sigths do not have the yelleow nuclear marks. but either way you would need to see the stamps if it has the HMAK or the serial number end with DK
I’m pretty sure Denmark has sent some. They were at least talking about sending some older weapons and I guess that counts for the c7 now that pretty much everybody has a c8
Once we start receiving the HK-416/417 we will also send a second batch of the C-8 to the Ukrainian army.
The closest I have here in the US is a Colt Tactical Carbine made in Canada. It's a fantastic AR with superior manufacturing.
Imo the failing of the first iteration of the C7 in Cdn. svc. was that the rear sight should have been the 'drum' style rearsight of the M16A2. This seemed to me to be a no brainer considering the C1A1 had a 'disc' rear sight very similar to the M16A2 rear sight. This did not happen. I suppose the decision to keep the 'adjust elevation with the nose of a cartridge' rear sight was one based on statistical probability. I can say it made figuring out elevation for CFSAC practice stages 'interesting'to put it mildly. We were instructed to keep it at the default 300 metre zero setting.
The driving opinion was that the M16A2 style sight was excellent for static range competition, but problematic in the field. The quick-adjust windage and elevation knobs of the A2 sights were often accidentally moved while transported or carried. Losing your zero was a pretty steep price to pay for having fine adjustments a soldier probably wouldn't make in a firefight, so they kept the 300m "set and forget" battle sight found on the M16A1.
Nice
How widespread are suppressors for the Ukrainian defense? I wonder what militaries can learn from their use and effectiveness. I sat this considering the US Army wants to do that with the M5 project and the US Marines with their M27 project and I don’t think the M27 with suppressors has seen any service in combat
I think there's both Dutch and Danish C7's in Ukraine. Those Elcan sights make them look mighty Danish..
Good vid
Thank you!
Adams arms also donated. I’m sure there’s some piston mk12s in 6arc being made out of these m16s
Yes they did. I think I've seen a few Diamondback Arms too.
I'd be interested to see those.
Yes, I want to see more of the 5.56mmx45mm rifles in Ukraine. Plus, and for me, I'm interested in how they are performing, in action. When this war ends, which rifle will win the contract, to become the new standard issue for the UA?
They are so EXPENSIVE but at least we didn't try to reinvent the wheel so its not a bad rifle.
Is my old C7 there? Arty and Marty like there kit.
The AR-15 pattern of rifles are a superior weapon compared to any of the AK types. It has better accuracy better velocity and range and is also much more modular.
0:53
You pronounced it "Dime - A Co" but you have transposed the M and the E to do that.
"Die - Mac - Co" is how it's pronounced here- same city as the factory.
I knew someone would help out witb that. Thanks
I always thought it was "Dee-Mah-Co"
Since there is a war in europe I thought it be wise to gather some info. Since the weapon is used by the dutch army it would be logical to learn about this weapon in particular.
Yeah Denmark and Netherlands! Good choice of weapon!
The C7/8 are the best military variants of the Armalite's AR15 design, imo. I know some think the HK are better but Diemaco (now Colt Canada) didn't try to make needless changes.
Fun fact ,the SAS chose the C7/C8 because it was far more reliable for them to use over the hk416 which was heavy and apparently not that accurate so to say.
@@vothbetilia4862 HK just had to shove in a short stroke gas system over the barrel when the gas tube leading to the bolt carrier's gas piston worked just fine..
@@Treblaine odd yeah, personally I don't know if HK has a good record for quality weapons, the only ones I heard that are pretty good is MP5 and maybe the MP7s, not sure about the ump
@@vothbetilia4862 UMP was an attempt to make a very cheap alternative to the MP5 and it wasn't very good. They're a hit and miss company.
@@Treblaine understable
The c7 was designed for climate like Canada so it handles well in tundra and mountain regions
Wonder if Norway also have donated their Diemaco C7/C8. There was some purchase of these weapons in the early 00, for use in international operations instead of the 7.62mm (A)G3 that was the standard rifle at the time for the norwegian armed forces. They where not used for long, as the HK416 was introduced. So I suspect they just have been in storage.
Sounds like a definite possibility then.
There's one thing that regularly pops up in photos and videos of Ukrainian firearms : *(spoken in Neo/John Wick's voice) Suppressors. Lots of suppressors.*
Most of the time, I saw them on AK-74's, but it's clear from this video that it's also in use with the C7/C8 family.
This does raise a few questions :
1) Why do the Ukrainians field so many suppressors ? Have they reached the same conclusion that the tradeoffs are favorable as the USMC did ?
2) Where are the suppressors produced ? I suppose the suppressors for the AK-74's are produced in Ukraine, but not so sure about the C7/C8.
3) Are the suppressors durable enough for their use ?
4) Are suppressed MGs a thing in Ukraine ? I remember seeing suppressors being tested on MGs, and for a relatively limited automatic fire, it was clearly ok.
Part of the aid package
Saddest part of this is that the Can gov sent C8s over when 99% of the CAF has never even SEEN a C8 carbine 😂
need a Diemaco barrel for my C7A2 I built all the rest is correct parts
Seeing western gear in Ukrainian hands warms my heart.
I wouldn't be surprised if some c7s and c8s came from the brits.
It's certainly possible. Definitely no mention of it publicly but that means very little.
Seeing the different rifles used in Ukraine has been fascinating. It could be that after the war they officially adopt a 5.56 platform and make it their own.
Oh they will very likely move to 5.56 I think.
In Canada not allowed to have them.funmy how it's work.
Yah that sucks. Still they’re in good hands in Ukraine.
@@baneofbanes lol. How ?
@@icky_mack Ukraine is fighting for a righteous cause and has a competent military.
Join the army then, tough guy. These are for professionals, not for Wannabes.
i have never encountered or heard about the highmag in my time, in the danish armed forces. think its a dutch thing.
I think you're right, they appear to be only really used by the Dutch. Thanks for watching!
Sadly the two colt canada rifles in my safe, are too scary looking to take to the range. Thanks Justin
C7 and C 14 yes 👏👏👏👏👏
Yup Canada ✌👍☝️🇨🇦
get a pick of the S/N - that'll show where they came from most likely
Yep, yet to see any photos that show clear S/Ns.
Danish person here, as far as I can tell, the markings on the rifles you have pictured are not the same as those on the "Gevær M/95"; Denmark uses, the ones I have seen in Danish service has the Royal crown of Denmark on them and they say "HMAK" underneath....also as far as I am aware Denmark only uses the ELCAN 3.4x C79 on all their small arms, even on the M2 Browning machine gun, I have never seen the "ELCAN Hi-Mag" in Danish service. So in other words; I highly doubt those were supplied by Denmark.
Thank you, I hadn't be able to find any indication Denmark has used the Hi-Mag either. Thanks for watching.
@@TheArmourersBench and thank you for the video, keep up the good work 🍻
The easiest way for an American to get a Canadian Colt is from Ukraine, via Netherlands.
Why the fuck would we want a Canadian colt? Hahahhaa
@Victor Manuel cause the diemaco stuff is probably better than colt USA, and colt USA doesn't make a constant recoil lmg pattern.
@@VictorManuel-pf7se Because American 'Colt' is generally just a collection of Chinesium parts with the Pathetic Pony stamped on them, and it's been that way for quite a long time, with very few exceptions.
Diemaco picked up where Colt left off, and stayed modernizing their factor and keeping good quality control. Colt devolved and sold out a long time ago.
@@VictorManuel-pf7se Cold hammer-forged barrels for one, they beat the doors off US Colts for that alone.
03:06 Is that a statue of Nestor Ivanovič Machno?
yes
@@NanatsukiBenio Cool! :)
@@shehan117 lol it's a history.... but yes Makhno and others are banned in Russia as Terrorists etc but they're not actual terrorists at all. Soviet Union made them illegal by the law and now Putin do... i was born in Russia but i always hated that stupid cringy regime. also being half ukrainian i can only feel the pain of 1 Russia is being destroyed by MAD PUTIN and 2 Ukraine is being destroyed by MAD PUTIN and it was always attacked by Soviets and so on......
@@NanatsukiBenio Yeah, i know the ukraine history is full of tragedy. :(
@@shehan117 yeah, and tbh other soviet republics as well... commies just secretly genocided millions of people. also regarding nazis during WWII etc... (NKVD (soviet paramilitary police) dressed in german uniform) massacred belarusian villages and then government said that those were germans. not always but it's happened.... Russians Ukrainians Belarusians etc are all victims of the damn government and it's party
I believed the canadian army C7 were given to Afghan army years ago.
Canada and USA logic 101: We have no problem arming other people other countries to defend themselves from other countries and defend themselves from their own government but we have a problem when our own people have guns to defend themselves from us.
3:11 - right side, scar or cz bren with an unholy amount of duct tape to hold something
Haha yes, that SCAR has half a roll on it
C7 looks like tbe m16 from Vietnam??
3:24 is this on the right not a German MG-3 Maschinengewehr?
It is indeed or a similar variant.
Well, its not like Canada was going to use them anyway.
Holly fk lol 😂 some crazy guns in ukraine lol what the hell. I like that the one has a maple leaf engraving that's sick
The amount of detail you give is incredible BTW!
Fairly sure the dutch have been using hk416's for more than 10 years now..
Dutch Marines yes. Not the army.
🇨🇦🙏
The Netherlands donated also lots of Accuracy AX sniper riffles which will be replace in the Netherlands by Barrett's.
It that an Albanian flag on the left arm of the second guy at 0:16 ?
Yes
now only now
we can see modren ukraine army
it all starts with the rifles
Lots of different rifles being bought given to ukraine
Canada switched from thermold mags to more conventional USGI aluminum magazines 20+ years, replaced through attrition as the thermolds wore out.
The C79 sights+thermold mags on photos from Ukraine were a pretty immediate visual giveaway that they were C7s, but not Canadian, most likely Danish.
They're actually Dutch, video coming up on this. Only the C8s are Canadian!
i hope Ukrainians realize how gucci the c series is.
we aren't sending scraps. were sending arguably the best m4 variant currently fielded by any NATO country.
the heavy cold hammer forged barrel on the c8's will last longer than the world itself.
slava ukraini.
I know for a fact that the Netherlands has send diemaco rifles to Ukraine
Oh really?
moet toch wat met die knakken wapens
Yes they are Dutch. The Canadian versions are green (as are their Elcan's). The Dutch versions are black. The easiest way to know are their serialnumbers, they al have the NL in them. These old versions all have the 3 round burst mode.
The Canadian rifles have not always been green. Sadly, the imagery available isn't high res or close enough to give us a look at the serial numbers and markings. But hopefully eventually we might see some!
@@bartb7790 no all c7A1 rifles are black c7a2 and c8 rifles got green furniture on em
“What’s the difference between the C7-“
“G R E E N”
Well, only the Canadian Army's C7A2s.
*cough* *cough* charging handle and goofy ass car-15 stock like yeah i would use m4's 6 position collapsible stock because it looks better for c7a2 with quad rail handguard grip-pod together but that's my opinion.
Might as well give them everything we got. There isn't an armed forces in Canada.
Hopefully they don't having too much trouble getting 5.56mn rounds in a country where most people are using AK-74s or Ak-47s.👍🇺🇦