I enjoy the interpretation that the Black Fog is the result of the two worlds fighting against origin to merge. From a narrative and thematic standpoint its meant to show that Moebius and Z's "Eternal Now" will inevitably fall apart all on its own, the only difference is that way would grauntee full annihilation. It just goes to show that no matter how hard you try and stand still, time will march on and if you don't change eventually, you'll get crushed.
Origin want trying to merge the worlds though... The annihilation was impossible to prevent, what Origin did was pretty much "Save State" of each world, let them be annihilated and then "Load State" of each world. The resuming of the time just allowed Origin to do what it was designed to do.
You know it makes sense. I just saw a comment on another video asking why Z, as a collective unconsciousness of fear, was able to become the absolutely dominant emotion within Origin, when there were surely other people in Origin’s mind frame who were willing to embrace the future and weren’t afraid. Perhaps their courage is the black fog.
I was about to write something similar. The thing is the black fog doesn't only concentrate around Moebius or when they overheat during their interlink, it also triggers an annihilation event if Ouroboros overheat, so clearly this is moreso a reaction between Agnus and Keves getting too close in this case. That's probably covering most cases since Aionios itself is kinda that, so these popping up in random places makes sense. I think what they said in the video could also be true since that would explain why the castles specifically have a higher density, because there is not much meddling of Agnus with Keves usually going on there, and these places being high priority for the fog would otherwise seem odd.
Personally I disagree. I think fog is created by the “friction” between the two worlds (xenoblade 1 and xenoblade 2). Interlinking for too long creates fog as it is a union between the two worlds (or rather their inhabitants)
So we were looking into this idea but there were a few things that wouldn't have added up if that were the case: 1. The fog wasn't created when P & O interlinked for too long but it was sucked in/moved towards them. 2. If the fog was created like this, then it wouldn't explain how or why it moves around like it does as in "Theory" it should stay in place where the friction is located 3. The Fog being created like that wouldn't explain how it can trigger Annihilation Events. It's possible that it could be likened to an Earthquake in which you tend to get low level tremors before the big destructive one but there was no way to prove or disprove that Thats just to name a few as there was a couple more and as soon as we considered the Fog from FC which should be considered connected in some way (Considering thats the whole point in FC) then we settled on this idea and explaination
@@JBspherefreak However, when lanz and sena are gonna sacrifice themselves, you can see the black fog being sucked in right before they would've blown up. So I think it does have to do with the 2 worlds unionizing.
@@aylinilya. Yea it's like I explained in the video, the black fog detects and moves towards things that aren't supposed to be happening and one of those includes interlinking as its techinically the worlds of 1 & 2 getting really close to one another. The fog probably notices when the Ouroboros starts beeping and then moves in to eradicate the source
The two worlds are basically matter and antimatter. When they come into contact they destroy each other entirely. The fog is probably to visualize that.
I think there's something to be said about how the enemies in Origin strongly resemble Xenoblade X's Ghosts. Add to that the fact that the Ghosts' antimatter cores triggered matter-antimatter *annihilation events* that destroyed the Earth, and a connection starts to become clear
So, if we look at Mira concept art, we can see everything is like a patchwork planet of many different races and planets, but so much is surrounded by black fog. On top of the model of the guy at the end in the credit scene is literally a guy in Consule armor, but in black. The Vita's inside is also super similar to the fog and is considered as "Dark Matter", maybe being a different term for the Black Fog. Takahashi is cooking.
I have a hypothesis that Xenoblade Chronicles X is a far future from 1 and 2 when what we knew as Agnus and Keves finally fully converge into one single universe again. This is why Luxar says that "human's ancestors, the Samarians, created our race" (from what I remember), but this is just Zanza from the world that became Alrest/Agnus creating the Bionis-Mechonis/Keves universe, and Ganglions are just a race that from the world Zanza created when he was Klaus, a simple human. This may be why we see some familiar things in Mira from the first Xenoblade Chronicles, like that giant metal ring, it may be from Mechonis. I first thought it would be part of his shoulder, but after XC3, I think that it's part of the Great Sword, or what it previously was Galahad Fortress. Meaning that Mira could be the first Kevesi home planet after both universes converged. Of course there would be multiple plot holes with this hypothesis, like why Earth has humans and not Blades with special abilities, but it's just too coincidental that the military organization is called BLADE. I think that XC3 finally put some possible answers to what Xenoblade Chronicles X means to the franchise.
Yeah, the connection is that they are both based on the Gnosis from Xenosaga. No but seriously, for now it's better to assume that XC2 and XC3 reused some of the numerous unexplored concepts of XCX until we get an actual continuation to XCX's story.
One detail I've observed is how similar Annihilation Events look and act to Malos's power. Right before you fight him for the first time at the Cliffs of Morytha he "Annihilates" the area where the party is standing forcing everyone to have to dodge. Tora even falls into the hole created by the attack and Poppi has to catch him.
If the Fog was similar to Gnosis and the Monado could produce its own Hillbert Effect to counter it, it is safe to assume all 3 Aegises can do something similar. As a matter of fact, Mythra uses what looks like an actual Hillbert Effect during the destruction of Torna.
Unrelated but I wanted to point out something that happens in one of the final cutscenes in the game and how similar it feels to something from the end of xenoblade 1. At the end of xenoblade 1 Alvis talks one on one with shulk and even creates reconstructions of his friends to help shulk reason things out. During the ending of xenoblade 3 we get to one part where the party plus Nia and melia are all on some random grassy plain in a far off view getting to see the two worlds apart from each other, and iirc everyone was asking Noah about what they should do now and I believe nothing would progress until Noah answered. Even Ghondor and Monica showed up too when Noah was taking to long to answer. That scene is was too strikingly similar to Alvis' talk with Shulk, only if Alvis didn't reveal himself.
I wish the game focused on it more heavily because the gameplay is affected by this as well. The limit on oroborus being that it would cause an annihilation event is interesting but only put into focus like once or twice in game
I feel this game wanted to do more showing and less telling. When I beat the game I felt lost about a lot of things but after rewatching some cutscenes and thinking more I started to feel I understood more of what they are going for. The only thing I felt they did a weird job with was riku and lucky seven. I assume the setup they did for him will probably be expanded in the expansion story.
@@taylormaddox5198 yeah the fact Noah even asked riku who was he to get no response plus the fact he knew Melia makes him suspicious. Hopefully the dlc will bring further light onto it
I mean this video explained really well all the details that is available in the game but explaining concepts are generally "Boring" especially when you have lots of them since this is a Xenoblade game.. So they rather show what they do and let you analyze the info rather than piling it into exposition... Also it adds that dash of mystery behind it and even the heroes themselves learned how to utilize them..
@@vivid8979 I've been around since xcx released and this game has had the most people questioning concepts present after launch I've seen. There's a lot the game doesn't explain well or doesn't explain at all. And a video explaining things just goes to show that it might not be the best explained in game lol
This really helped me understand what the black fog is AND you managed to tie it in with the rest of the Xeno lore. I am very impressed by this video and would love to see more Xeno videos like this!
Everyone thought that the Fog King’s model being an Infernal Guldo (from XB2) was just a placeholder - then XB3 comes out and…yeah it really was just a Guldo the entire time lol
This game had a lot more unexplained stuff than previous entries (black fog, sword of the end, etc.). It’s possible that’s a result of them holding out for the DLC this time, since they probably planned it from the start, unlike Torna, which was decided on midway through development.
I think the black fog might play a bigger role in future xenoblade titles and this game and FC might be alluding to this as possibly an antagonistic force cropping up as a result of the conduit disappearing and the worlds wanting to merge
@@anonymoushuman8443 He say’s in a nintendo life article and I quote “While it is a conclusion, that does not mean it is the end of the Xenoblade series. It is just a stopping point in my mind.”
This really cleared up a lot of confusion I had with the black fog, thank you so much for making this! As a fan of the Xenoblade franchise since it originally released on Wii in the US, I REALLY need to get around to playing Gears & Saga, I always hear such good things about them. Also Eunie glitching out at 4:27 lmao.
I’m still over here thinking about the theory that Alvis is in 3. Chapter 6, Noah’s memory sequence. That random kid that is talking to him, revealed to be Noah’s kid, just……sends him into a purgatory magical dream world, and has a conversation about the future, his wishes, his past, etc. Seems veeerryy familiar. Theory is that it was Alvis talking to Noah in a “divine realm” just like he did with Shulk in 1. Taking the form of Noah’s kid to get him to be more personal, emotional and reflective. The way he talks and what they talk about, also sounds just like a good ole Alvis conversation. At first, I didn’t even think about it one bit. Brushed it off as Noah having a bit of purgatory before being revived. But when you replace, “Random, unexplained and never talked about again moment of purgatory” with “Alvis,” it makes way, way more sense. IF this is true, it’s implications could be massive.
i could be remembering wrong but I thought the kid was revealed to be M, probing our Noah’s thoughts to make sure he wouldn’t go down the same path as N
I just played through this part of the game a few hours ago, and Mio mentions that the stop in time was her sharing M's memories of N with him similarly to when they were first interlinking. The only difference is that the fog is white instead of gold, probably because of Noah's lack of a will to live (gold being the representation of a fighting/protective will). However, the Ouroborous power is probably connected to Alvis in some way because the time-stop creates a "Monado," (Sword of Origin).
I figured the Black Fog was some kind of Gnosis concept ever since Shulk used the poor Hom’s version of the Hilbert Effect to phase the Fog King into reality. I also feel like there is some definite Jungian kind of explanation for the Black Fog if we look in the right places. Especially concerning things like collective unconscious, the recycling of souls, and Ouroboros. Monolith may have toned down the overt philosophizing in Xenoblade but it’s still there.
The idea of the black fog being a correction also makes sense in context for Klaus. You can clearly see a ton of black fog uniting into his left half, acting as a link to the battle with Shulk and Zanza in the cutscene. This would imply Klaus's remains was the entry point for the fog in FC as it kept trying to correct the split between Klaus's two halves, erasing the half that escaped into the new world through the removal of the Telethia. There is just one slight problem for this: Xenoblade X. If the Black Fog was trying to correct the Telethia's existence due to them being the white blood cells of the Bionis, then why is a Telethia in Mira? is Mira going through a similar sort of stasis? It would certainly explain a lot about how everyone is still operational in NLA and how the Telethia hasn't been eradicated by black fog. But then what is causing the freeze? The only two things so far that have been capable of halting the black fog so far are the Conduit and Moebius.
But is X canon to the main trilogy? Sure the game has Nopon and Telethia, but is there any actual lore that connects the world of Mira to the worlds of XC1-3?
To an extent? There's no other way a Telethia could be there without some link to Zanza's world in X's canon, and until stated otherwise through a remake or word of god there's more to suggest some semblance of canon ties than not. Either way, the rules of the Black Fog should remain consistent across realities regardless of canon ties, so the black fog should still be invading Mira to correct the people of NLA's existence if the rules established in the video are correct.
@@drakath5727 I'd just assumed X was based in the original world rather than the divided worlds of 1 and 2 and that the Telethia boss was no more than a reference. Main reason I think X is actually based in the original world is the multiple aliens, the other two worlds have a lot of races mainly derived from humans(and Nopon of course) while in X the races are much more varied with their own rich histories. I can only hope if they continue the series we get to see the conclusion to X's story.
@@pixiri21 Spoilers for X here. The problem isn't the Telethia's existence, it's the fact Mira hasn't been outright annihilated yet or riddled by black fog. Even disregarding the Telethia, how is the black fog not correcting NLA's residents since they're all physically dead? If the black fog's meant to be some sort of correctional system in the Xenoblade multiverse, then surely it'd annihilate all of NLA's residents for defying death itself, despite it being unintentional. And if it has to do with the planet itself, why didn't we see *any* black fog anywhere, let alone signs of the annihilation effect? If X gets a remake, I hope these questions are answered.
@@drakath5727 the reason for no correction with nla residents is already implied in the game all of nla residents had their Consciousness digitized but due to anomalous nature of mira they all kept on living like nothing happened. With the nature of mira being an anomaly it kind of makes it difficult to argue what counts as a foreign substance for the black fog to target of correction theory.
This is the part of the story that was hoping to get more of I kept asking for the game to “get all Xeno-y” and start to explain things a bit more like Xenoblade 2. But it seemed to go into a more Xenoblade 1 route where there’s SOME explanation but not as much. But maybe this is held off for DLC.
Some people will get mad. But i really love this mystery. This maintain the games alive till the next releases. I really loved Xenogears and Xenosaga, but they have flaws, Xenogears history was bigger than the own game, and Saga was anbixious since the beggining already stating that was the first part of six. And the second one, not being so good, didn't helped. Xenoblade has the advantaged of adding little by little the history. Thinking more of it, i just want MORE. Because Xenoblade 2 already give a lot of statement of what happened to the world, and what Alvis was. But Future Connected added so much mystery after, and 3 seems like the new beggining of what started with Future Connected.
Fog king hell, the Xenoblade world is sparking Immersive. I hope we get more Xenoblade games, like Chronicles X on Wii U but ported to Switch or whatever.
This is EXACTLY the type of video I was hoping to see! There's a few more questions about the world that I have, but I was really hoping there were just. Parts of the game I straight up didn't register or glossed over, cause at the end I felt really empty and hanging on a lot of important plot points. Stuff they brought up several times through the story, put a stress point on, and then did not bother to explain. It irks me to see that, and it's been putting a damper on my takeaway from the game as a whole. Which is an absolute shame, cause Xenoblade is my favourite series at this point. It moved me to Japan, and the moment to moment story and gameplay of 3 was indeed great - just the ending left so many hanging threads that leave me unsatisfied. :(
I don’t think the black fog is actually autonomous (spoiler warning by the way) Nia tells the party and the player that if the two worlds merged they would cancel each other out, mobius stopped time in that one second before that occurred and created aionios from the two worlds (though it might be better to say they slowed down time dramatically) essentially annihilation events are parts of the two worlds coming into contact with each other and the black fog is the beginning of that process which also explains why it happens when mobius and ouroboros interlink for two long because both sides require a person from agnus and keves to perform an interlink the overheating and subsequent annihilation events that happen afterwards is the process of the two individuals of the interlink fully merging and canceling each other out. To that end the mobius description of Aionios being an endless now was a false one they had simply subjected everyone to an extremely drawn out inevitable destruction
Yeah, but Moebius can turn Moebius on their own without a person from the apposing world actually being part of the Interlink. D and J for example and even K on his own.
The idea of the world's recombining is like the existence of quantum fluctuations, positive and negative atoms that pop into existence for a brief moment before snapping back into nothing, leaving behind energy
Xenoblade 3 isn't the conclusion of a trilogy it's not certain most likely its not gonna happen bcz tons of things from the 3 games yet to be answered and shown
For a lot of the game, I figured that Annihilation events were the result of the mass within getting teleported away, likely back to their original XC1 or XC2 reality. Thus, things were kept suspended midair because, technically, all of that stuff still remained in the same X-Y-Z coordinates of reality, just on a new plane of existence, thus keeping everything else propped up across planes. In the aftermath of fighting D&J, the cannon explodes, but Taion says that the two must still be alive, as he can still detect his origami creature. I figured that this was foreshadowing this aspect of teleportation, and Taion was detecting them across planes of reality. Then, later on, when Lanz and Eunie were about to sacrifice themselves to trigger an annihilation event on N, I was suspecting them to actually succeed in going through with it, resulting in those two being the first to cross the threshold into the worlds the annihilation events have been sending things to. Of course, none of this ends up being true, as I'd soon learn with D&J returning in the encounter with the real Queen of Agnes. Would have been cool, though, maybe could have given a glimpse at some other places that didn't show up in Aionios proper, like Agniratha, Colony 6 or 9 from the Bionis, Temperantia, or Indol.
There is one detail you missed though. Also there is some spoilers here for anyone else that reads this. Every moebius has fog spill out of them, so it comes from them. You see it when Consul K dies and just before P & O explode, the fog spills out first before being drawn in. Why fog is inside them but also hinders their sight is weird but then again, Nia says everyone has a bit of Moebius in them and the final battle with Z is just him as a giant black foggy head. I could be very wrong but Moebius seem to be fog itself, given form.
that wouldn't make much sense given that the black fog interferes with moebius. Moebius would never want to interfere with their own plans. Plus to me it seemed like Z's final form was more like a digital hologram rather than fog.
@@firesnakex8 But the moebius aren't some mastermind with perfectly working machinations, they're just the fear and other negative emotions people have given form. I think it would actually make sense that the fog is a part of them, given how it is slowly eroding the world away. In essense, moebius are self-destructive, and their whole plan was never going to work out forever, they were just stalling, running away from the inevitable.
I immediately saw the parallels to antimatter with the annihilation events, and surmised that Xenoblade 1 must have taken place in an antimatter universe. But the black fog was a lot more ambiguous. Probably would've helped if I had context from Xenogears to compare it to.
There's a misunderstanding of matter vs antimatter here. Matter isn't positively charged vs antimatter being negatively charged. Protons are positively charged, but in their most stable state have the same number of electrons orbiting them which are negatively charged, making the atom's overall charge neutral. Same with antimatter, instead with negative antiprotons and positive positrons, again ending up neutral. So matter and antimatter aren't magnetically attracted to eachother. They annihilate eachother if they make contact, but they don't seek eachother out and that's not what causes the conversion of matter into energy. If it was pushing opposite ends of 2 magnets together would explode
They are overall neutrally charged yes. Otherwise the theoretical existence of anti matter from the big bang (in the event that it was 50/50) the universe would be slowly destroying itself as each would pull to each other very slowly. And the reaction that was the big bang likely made it a mixed bag everywhere
However the overall point he made of the opposite charges are completely true where protons and antiprotons, electrons and positrons, etc. They would in very close proximity(likely on the atomic scale) naturally pull their respective opposite equivalents away causing the mass energy as its still technically splitting the atoms
The fog is the event itself. Since time is frozen and if move you a little to fast in frozen time (aka create energy) the atoms will restart the time on that specific location and boom betwen 2 worlds will happen. The world is slowly dying in xenoblade 3 and it will not be possible to keep it in frozen time forever as more and more will dissapear over time, returning back to original timeline (and blowing up in process since it hits the other world) Mobius have a warning system, so they dont hit the critial mass and cause it. Heck i would say they have generators to move that energy away from their bodys so they dont cause the event. I mean even Dio in Jojo has a time limit. They are laws you cant break.
I just see the Fog as a consequence from the worlds merging, thing that happened since XC1/2 ending, the Fogbeasts were the first reaction to worlds being in the same universe I also think that with FC starting it, XC3 forgetting the fog and XCX having Dark Matter i think that Takahashi is foreshadowing them as the eventual biggest threat on the Xenoblade Universe And i think that before XC4 comes out XCX will receive a port for the next Nintendo console with a new epilogue FC style and finally connect it to the other games In the end i think that everything leads to the Gnosis in the Xenoblade Universe honestly
Very well done with the observations and such.. As we do know that Aionios is a Temporary world (This concept can be a double-edged sword) so I think the writers delibirately make alot of the concepts vague or rather other-wordly.. See Aionios shouldn't be made in the first place and just a result of constant unfortunate events (Which is a very theme in his game as well "Luck") hence they would rather have this world to be covered with mystery rather than definite answers, you get what I mean?? Yea like I said it can be bad or good but Imho incorporating a cohesive narrative alongside such complex scientific concept is REAAAAALLLY hard to do.. And them incorporating the expositions in the Side Quests (It's not perfect tho) is a really good decision rather than having the players be bored on Long-boring-expositions... Thumbs-up for Monolithsoft for this one.. The best course of action for the New Story DLC is an epilogue for sure or else they will f*ck up this "Closure" theme they are going after... Also looking forward to your more Lore videos.. You earned a sub and a share to my friends. 😊👍
X: So are we gonna do anything about the Nopons Z: just ignore them X: You sure? Z: oh please they just a bunch greedy fluffy balls what the worst that can happen.
Pretty good video. That adds a lot about the Black Fog theory that i had playing the game. My theory was that the fog was a reaction of the two worlds colliding. And the Mobius/Ouroboros transformation is kinda an aceleration of the world state of fusion and distruction. Fighting "D" in early game he says that a Mobius must be a union of a Kevesi and a Agnus. In the fight with P and O, they made an alegory saying that a Mobius is a fusion of "two worlds". And just like the worlds colliding, the reunion of the black fog resulting on the Anihilation Effect, the extended effect of a Mobius, and an Ouroboros also results in it. That was the realization i came alone with. My theory alone don't explain the reason why the Black Fog manifested as an Guldo in Future Connected, and why manipulated other beings. The only thing i try to think with was the Black Fog was still weak, and could'nt just cause distruction by itself, so manipulatin the surroudings was the only way of manifestation, and the Infernal Guldo appeared because was the only creature who could be manifested in Xenoblade 1 universe. Since Klaus claimed that Guldos were human who still got attached of life. The remains of his former life was in this universe.
been rewatching these videos after completing Future Redeemed. I was hoping FR would explain the difference between black fog and rift fog better. I used to think black fog was purely friction between worlds, but starting to warm up to the idea there is more to it, especially since annihilation events can happen without black fog. And i can buy into the idea of mobius being made from it. But what i dont get is how is black fog both a hindrance for mobius but also something that is in their cores? why do interlinked mobius annihilate but unlinked the black fog doesnt pose a risk to themselves? i know you mentioned releasing a new video on fog
The Annihilation events remind me of Ghosts from X exploding on Earth when destroyed. Perhaps bringing it into focus at the crux of the trilogy is meant to set up a tie in antagonist, in which Mira and X in general is the end goal.
The Fog King was Meyneth. The exact same model was used for a boss in Xenoblade 2, where Rex and co. discover Galea's ID card after killing it. The name of that boss was "The Infernal Guldo". Incase you may not have noticed, the "Infernal Guldo" doesn't actually demonstrate any signs of being on fire or having any firey accents. What does? The "Fog King". This is clearly not a coincidence. The Fog King is a Gnosis of Meyneth/Galea. The portals through which the monsters appeared through the fog (tainted mobs) are identical to the portals in Xenosaga where Gnosis would come from. The Fog King plotline was meant as a bookend to Meyneth' story, post-Zanza.
I always saw the black fog as the worlds (correctly) merging in small spaces, essentially replacing parts of aionios with empty space from both worlds. Another interpretation I have is that the black fog is the new universes answer to Logos, as his role as Malos was that of a destroyer. I thought maybe his residual ether was included in Origin’s database, causing him to be “revived” in Aionios as a force of nature.
Great video, I just have one question. At 2:11, you mention that the entire events of Xeno 1 are a part of Alvis' memory space. I was under the impression taht the only tie we see Alvis' memory is when shown the events of Klaus creating the new universe, and showing Shulk what would happen if nothing was done and recreating Shulk's memories to spur him on. Am I just recalling events incorrectly, or is there more evidence for all of Xeno 1 being in "Alvis"?
Memory Space is the name of a special type of Pocket Dimension/Virtual Reality that the Trinity Processors have access to, it's also the name of the area in Xenoblade 1 where you fight Zanza as the Final Boss, And Alvis acts as Shulk's personal Therapist. It's also the virtual reality that Pneuma and Logos use in Xc2 to interract with each other. The general implication is that they can create a bunch of mini-pocket dimensions within memory space, hence why even though they're all seemingly connected, there's still 3 different Memory Spaces operating in tandem with each other for the entire plot of the first 2 games. The exact specifics of how the Memory Space system works in general isn't the most well known thing though.
After playing I never noticed that the black fog had correlation to future connected I hate myself I keep forgetting things or not noticing things from the two first games I hate it so much
First off of course Nopon are fucking cannibals. We knew this since XC2 when Boreas revealed he has licked Tora's feet as a mean to taste test their species in his heart to heart lol. Jokes aside this was very helpful and informative. Since I have same brain cells as Lanz, I honestly didn't comprehend the significance of the fog with Aionis and FC. This really does well to explain what was going on in the game and give me a better understanding of the significance of the fog in the story.
You neglected to mention electrons and positrons. There are also antineutrons and antineutrinos, as well as W- bosons, which are the antiparticle of W+ bosons. There are even quarks and antiquarks.
I know that's because I tried to do this thing called "Simplifying" to make it easier for most people to digest 😂 In all seriousness, I appreciate you for leaving this comment for those that want to learn more about the specifics! I was aware of this of course but felt it would just confuse things to include in the video
@@JBspherefreak Yes, I can see how this would make the analogy more confusing. Atomic matter and antimatter would not attract each other through the electromagnetic force at any easily detectable distance. However, they would attract each other through gravity, so the analogy still could work... maybe?
Doesn't all of this mean that eventually the two worlds would collide and cancel each other out anyway? If the opposite polairites keep attracting each other, there is no way to change that. How does Origin prevent this outcome? and if the two worlds would come into contact without merging, wouldn't that also be against the will of the universe and spawn the Black Fog again?
Thank you for this video, it made me understand black fog more as the game glance over it to much, which makes sense since the character can't understand everything about the world, much less the black fog. It been the universes will trying to right thing makes sense, *SPOILER!!* more so in a world were the main enemy is also a embodiment of sort of emotions (fear the most present) so makes sense the universe has a will and will make sure things move according to it (one way or another).
Great video, I was really curious about the fog, and I think you explained it pretty well. That being said I am still not sure what the Fog King has to do with XC3. If the Black Fog appears to fight the worlds merging, then it doesn't neccessarily come from the Fog King right? Maybe I'm overlooking something.
Not a bad idea but do explain this to me then, why did the 2 worlds drift apart from each other at the end? Seriously it makes no sense, the whole time everyone was saying "the worlds are still crashing together, if origin is stopped they'll collide". But then origin is stopped and the 2 worlds randomly just do the exact opposite? Feels like it should have ended with origin causing the 2 worlds to interlink properly or something, fitting the theme of the whole game
The fog king is not a villain nor hero, it just exists as a sort of energy like ether that eradicates the merging of the two worlds, possibly a byproduct of the worlds splitting?
Because time still passes. Think of Aionios like its own pocket dimension that exists in that split second between the clock tower where we see white Alcamoth. The world is frozen sure but everything has to continue for it to be and everlasting now
I think the black fog will be more important in upcoming title than Xenoblade Chronicles 3 or just be completely forgotten and we will never get a clear explanation from writer.
I have a couple of issues with this theory, to be honest. First off, the two worlds were both originally one world. Why would splitting a single world create what are essentially a world of matter and a world of antimatter that would perfectly cancel each other out? Last I checked, the world had way more matter than antimatter. Secondly, how would N/Noah, who's from Melia's world, be able to have kids with M/Mio, who's from Nia's world, if Noah was matter and Mio was antimatter? Just trying to do so would result in them seriously damaging each other, if not outright killing each other, because while the world's time was frozen, time for the people living inside of Aionios was clearly still flowing. To be honest, I don't think Nia was being literal when she said the worlds would cancel each other out, and simply meant the collision would've destroyed them both. Even if she was being literal, I don't think it's a matter/antimatter situation, but something else, possibly even something exclusive to the physics of the Xenoblade universe.
So to clairfy, it is only using the concept of Anti-Matter. Obviously the XC1 and XC2 universe are not completely made up of Matter and Anti-Matter but they act as cuh which is why when the SAME thing from both worlds overlap, they trigger an Annihilation Event. This should also clarify why people from both worlds don't blow up when they touch Nia was being literal and this is regarded as exactly how and why the Annihilation Events are created
I enjoy the interpretation that the Black Fog is the result of the two worlds fighting against origin to merge. From a narrative and thematic standpoint its meant to show that Moebius and Z's "Eternal Now" will inevitably fall apart all on its own, the only difference is that way would grauntee full annihilation. It just goes to show that no matter how hard you try and stand still, time will march on and if you don't change eventually, you'll get crushed.
Yeah, theirs was a losing battle. They were merely delaying the inevitable merger, not truly stop it.
"Even if you stop its raging flow, it will soon burst through"
Origin want trying to merge the worlds though... The annihilation was impossible to prevent, what Origin did was pretty much "Save State" of each world, let them be annihilated and then "Load State" of each world.
The resuming of the time just allowed Origin to do what it was designed to do.
You know it makes sense. I just saw a comment on another video asking why Z, as a collective unconsciousness of fear, was able to become the absolutely dominant emotion within Origin, when there were surely other people in Origin’s mind frame who were willing to embrace the future and weren’t afraid. Perhaps their courage is the black fog.
I was about to write something similar. The thing is the black fog doesn't only concentrate around Moebius or when they overheat during their interlink, it also triggers an annihilation event if Ouroboros overheat, so clearly this is moreso a reaction between Agnus and Keves getting too close in this case. That's probably covering most cases since Aionios itself is kinda that, so these popping up in random places makes sense. I think what they said in the video could also be true since that would explain why the castles specifically have a higher density, because there is not much meddling of Agnus with Keves usually going on there, and these places being high priority for the fog would otherwise seem odd.
Personally I disagree. I think fog is created by the “friction” between the two worlds (xenoblade 1 and xenoblade 2). Interlinking for too long creates fog as it is a union between the two worlds (or rather their inhabitants)
So we were looking into this idea but there were a few things that wouldn't have added up if that were the case:
1. The fog wasn't created when P & O interlinked for too long but it was sucked in/moved towards them.
2. If the fog was created like this, then it wouldn't explain how or why it moves around like it does as in "Theory" it should stay in place where the friction is located
3. The Fog being created like that wouldn't explain how it can trigger Annihilation Events. It's possible that it could be likened to an Earthquake in which you tend to get low level tremors before the big destructive one but there was no way to prove or disprove that
Thats just to name a few as there was a couple more and as soon as we considered the Fog from FC which should be considered connected in some way (Considering thats the whole point in FC) then we settled on this idea and explaination
@@JBspherefreak However, when lanz and sena are gonna sacrifice themselves, you can see the black fog being sucked in right before they would've blown up. So I think it does have to do with the 2 worlds unionizing.
@@aylinilya. Yea it's like I explained in the video, the black fog detects and moves towards things that aren't supposed to be happening and one of those includes interlinking as its techinically the worlds of 1 & 2 getting really close to one another. The fog probably notices when the Ouroboros starts beeping and then moves in to eradicate the source
The two worlds are basically matter and antimatter. When they come into contact they destroy each other entirely. The fog is probably to visualize that.
@@JBspherefreak i always saw it as Z failing to perfectly pause time in his simulation world. And so the world is slowly eroding still
I think there's something to be said about how the enemies in Origin strongly resemble Xenoblade X's Ghosts. Add to that the fact that the Ghosts' antimatter cores triggered matter-antimatter *annihilation events* that destroyed the Earth, and a connection starts to become clear
Oooh, that is so true actually.
So, if we look at Mira concept art, we can see everything is like a patchwork planet of many different races and planets, but so much is surrounded by black fog. On top of the model of the guy at the end in the credit scene is literally a guy in Consule armor, but in black. The Vita's inside is also super similar to the fog and is considered as "Dark Matter", maybe being a different term for the Black Fog. Takahashi is cooking.
I have a hypothesis that Xenoblade Chronicles X is a far future from 1 and 2 when what we knew as Agnus and Keves finally fully converge into one single universe again. This is why Luxar says that "human's ancestors, the Samarians, created our race" (from what I remember), but this is just Zanza from the world that became Alrest/Agnus creating the Bionis-Mechonis/Keves universe, and Ganglions are just a race that from the world Zanza created when he was Klaus, a simple human.
This may be why we see some familiar things in Mira from the first Xenoblade Chronicles, like that giant metal ring, it may be from Mechonis. I first thought it would be part of his shoulder, but after XC3, I think that it's part of the Great Sword, or what it previously was Galahad Fortress. Meaning that Mira could be the first Kevesi home planet after both universes converged.
Of course there would be multiple plot holes with this hypothesis, like why Earth has humans and not Blades with special abilities, but it's just too coincidental that the military organization is called BLADE. I think that XC3 finally put some possible answers to what Xenoblade Chronicles X means to the franchise.
Stop it guys, stop it. Don’t give me hope dammit!
Yeah, the connection is that they are both based on the Gnosis from Xenosaga. No but seriously, for now it's better to assume that XC2 and XC3 reused some of the numerous unexplored concepts of XCX until we get an actual continuation to XCX's story.
One detail I've observed is how similar Annihilation Events look and act to Malos's power. Right before you fight him for the first time at the Cliffs of Morytha he "Annihilates" the area where the party is standing forcing everyone to have to dodge. Tora even falls into the hole created by the attack and Poppi has to catch him.
Yeah I was thinking that too. I wonder if there's a connection there
If the Fog was similar to Gnosis and the Monado could produce its own Hillbert Effect to counter it, it is safe to assume all 3 Aegises can do something similar. As a matter of fact, Mythra uses what looks like an actual Hillbert Effect during the destruction of Torna.
The black fog exists because it amuses me
Unrelated but I wanted to point out something that happens in one of the final cutscenes in the game and how similar it feels to something from the end of xenoblade 1.
At the end of xenoblade 1 Alvis talks one on one with shulk and even creates reconstructions of his friends to help shulk reason things out.
During the ending of xenoblade 3 we get to one part where the party plus Nia and melia are all on some random grassy plain in a far off view getting to see the two worlds apart from each other, and iirc everyone was asking Noah about what they should do now and I believe nothing would progress until Noah answered. Even Ghondor and Monica showed up too when Noah was taking to long to answer. That scene is was too strikingly similar to Alvis' talk with Shulk, only if Alvis didn't reveal himself.
I wish the game focused on it more heavily because the gameplay is affected by this as well. The limit on oroborus being that it would cause an annihilation event is interesting but only put into focus like once or twice in game
I feel this game wanted to do more showing and less telling. When I beat the game I felt lost about a lot of things but after rewatching some cutscenes and thinking more I started to feel I understood more of what they are going for. The only thing I felt they did a weird job with was riku and lucky seven. I assume the setup they did for him will probably be expanded in the expansion story.
@@taylormaddox5198 yeah the fact Noah even asked riku who was he to get no response plus the fact he knew Melia makes him suspicious. Hopefully the dlc will bring further light onto it
I mean it did. It tells you what the Fog is and what it does rather bluntly.
I mean this video explained really well all the details that is available in the game but explaining concepts are generally "Boring" especially when you have lots of them since this is a Xenoblade game.. So they rather show what they do and let you analyze the info rather than piling it into exposition... Also it adds that dash of mystery behind it and even the heroes themselves learned how to utilize them..
@@vivid8979 I've been around since xcx released and this game has had the most people questioning concepts present after launch I've seen. There's a lot the game doesn't explain well or doesn't explain at all. And a video explaining things just goes to show that it might not be the best explained in game lol
This really helped me understand what the black fog is AND you managed to tie it in with the rest of the Xeno lore. I am very impressed by this video and would love to see more Xeno videos like this!
Everyone thought that the Fog King’s model being an Infernal Guldo (from XB2) was just a placeholder - then XB3 comes out and…yeah it really was just a Guldo the entire time lol
You make some of the highest quality and production Xenoblade videos it’s amazing
I try 😅 thanks tho, I appreciate it
Thank you for teaching me how Nopon reproduce, it changed my life
Yeah, although I'm not entirely sure if it was a joke, or a real thing, supported by proofs
I'm hoping we get some more info or confirmation with a DLC, something on the scale of Torna
They said that this DLC will be even bigger than Torna. I'm so hyped
@@giusoriano really? I hope so! Where/when did they say this?
This game had a lot more unexplained stuff than previous entries (black fog, sword of the end, etc.). It’s possible that’s a result of them holding out for the DLC this time, since they probably planned it from the start, unlike Torna, which was decided on midway through development.
I think the black fog might play a bigger role in future xenoblade titles and this game and FC might be alluding to this as possibly an antagonistic force cropping up as a result of the conduit disappearing and the worlds wanting to merge
I mean what about 3s dlc?
@@Paradox1012 I would like to see that ngl
There won’t be any more Xenoblade titles. Takahashi is moving on.
@@anonymoushuman8443 Homie literally said that this isn’t the end of xenoblade
@@anonymoushuman8443 He say’s in a nintendo life article and I quote “While it is a conclusion, that does not mean it is the end of the Xenoblade series. It is just a stopping point in my mind.”
This really cleared up a lot of confusion I had with the black fog, thank you so much for making this! As a fan of the Xenoblade franchise since it originally released on Wii in the US, I REALLY need to get around to playing Gears & Saga, I always hear such good things about them. Also Eunie glitching out at 4:27 lmao.
Nice video, these lore explanations are gonna be really neat
The fog also appear in XCX .(Chapter 6 dark matter)
I’m still over here thinking about the theory that Alvis is in 3. Chapter 6, Noah’s memory sequence. That random kid that is talking to him, revealed to be Noah’s kid, just……sends him into a purgatory magical dream world, and has a conversation about the future, his wishes, his past, etc. Seems veeerryy familiar.
Theory is that it was Alvis talking to Noah in a “divine realm” just like he did with Shulk in 1. Taking the form of Noah’s kid to get him to be more personal, emotional and reflective. The way he talks and what they talk about, also sounds just like a good ole Alvis conversation.
At first, I didn’t even think about it one bit. Brushed it off as Noah having a bit of purgatory before being revived.
But when you replace, “Random, unexplained and never talked about again moment of purgatory” with “Alvis,” it makes way, way more sense.
IF this is true, it’s implications could be massive.
I thought it was Mio talking with him, that's why Mio shows up after the "dream sequence" thing
i could be remembering wrong but I thought the kid was revealed to be M, probing our Noah’s thoughts to make sure he wouldn’t go down the same path as N
Pretty sure that was Mio but need to go back over that scene for the next video
i thought it was just him as a kid, a sort of Id, and near the end of xenogears that whole sequence
I just played through this part of the game a few hours ago, and Mio mentions that the stop in time was her sharing M's memories of N with him similarly to when they were first interlinking. The only difference is that the fog is white instead of gold, probably because of Noah's lack of a will to live (gold being the representation of a fighting/protective will). However, the Ouroborous power is probably connected to Alvis in some way because the time-stop creates a "Monado," (Sword of Origin).
4:26 did Eunie find a four leaf clover or something?
Just normal Eunie things
I figured the Black Fog was some kind of Gnosis concept ever since Shulk used the poor Hom’s version of the Hilbert Effect to phase the Fog King into reality.
I also feel like there is some definite Jungian kind of explanation for the Black Fog if we look in the right places. Especially concerning things like collective unconscious, the recycling of souls, and Ouroboros. Monolith may have toned down the overt philosophizing in Xenoblade but it’s still there.
Nice, def a couple things I didn’t put together fully in my mind after playing through the game for so long
Thanks, the black fog was really confusing
The idea of the black fog being a correction also makes sense in context for Klaus. You can clearly see a ton of black fog uniting into his left half, acting as a link to the battle with Shulk and Zanza in the cutscene. This would imply Klaus's remains was the entry point for the fog in FC as it kept trying to correct the split between Klaus's two halves, erasing the half that escaped into the new world through the removal of the Telethia.
There is just one slight problem for this: Xenoblade X. If the Black Fog was trying to correct the Telethia's existence due to them being the white blood cells of the Bionis, then why is a Telethia in Mira? is Mira going through a similar sort of stasis? It would certainly explain a lot about how everyone is still operational in NLA and how the Telethia hasn't been eradicated by black fog. But then what is causing the freeze? The only two things so far that have been capable of halting the black fog so far are the Conduit and Moebius.
But is X canon to the main trilogy? Sure the game has Nopon and Telethia, but is there any actual lore that connects the world of Mira to the worlds of XC1-3?
To an extent? There's no other way a Telethia could be there without some link to Zanza's world in X's canon, and until stated otherwise through a remake or word of god there's more to suggest some semblance of canon ties than not. Either way, the rules of the Black Fog should remain consistent across realities regardless of canon ties, so the black fog should still be invading Mira to correct the people of NLA's existence if the rules established in the video are correct.
@@drakath5727 I'd just assumed X was based in the original world rather than the divided worlds of 1 and 2 and that the Telethia boss was no more than a reference. Main reason I think X is actually based in the original world is the multiple aliens, the other two worlds have a lot of races mainly derived from humans(and Nopon of course) while in X the races are much more varied with their own rich histories. I can only hope if they continue the series we get to see the conclusion to X's story.
@@pixiri21 Spoilers for X here.
The problem isn't the Telethia's existence, it's the fact Mira hasn't been outright annihilated yet or riddled by black fog.
Even disregarding the Telethia, how is the black fog not correcting NLA's residents since they're all physically dead? If the black fog's meant to be some sort of correctional system in the Xenoblade multiverse, then surely it'd annihilate all of NLA's residents for defying death itself, despite it being unintentional. And if it has to do with the planet itself, why didn't we see *any* black fog anywhere, let alone signs of the annihilation effect?
If X gets a remake, I hope these questions are answered.
@@drakath5727 the reason for no correction with nla residents is already implied in the game all of nla residents had their Consciousness digitized but due to anomalous nature of mira they all kept on living like nothing happened. With the nature of mira being an anomaly it kind of makes it difficult to argue what counts as a foreign substance for the black fog to target of correction theory.
If Nopon are ripen Bright Figs, then Riki must of fed his hungry kids the other lesser kids haha. The Nopon race is savage.
This is the part of the story that was hoping to get more of I kept asking for the game to “get all Xeno-y” and start to explain things a bit more like Xenoblade 2. But it seemed to go into a more Xenoblade 1 route where there’s SOME explanation but not as much.
But maybe this is held off for DLC.
Some people will get mad. But i really love this mystery. This maintain the games alive till the next releases. I really loved Xenogears and Xenosaga, but they have flaws, Xenogears history was bigger than the own game, and Saga was anbixious since the beggining already stating that was the first part of six. And the second one, not being so good, didn't helped. Xenoblade has the advantaged of adding little by little the history. Thinking more of it, i just want MORE. Because Xenoblade 2 already give a lot of statement of what happened to the world, and what Alvis was. But Future Connected added so much mystery after, and 3 seems like the new beggining of what started with Future Connected.
Fog king hell, the Xenoblade world is sparking Immersive.
I hope we get more Xenoblade games, like Chronicles X on Wii U but ported to Switch or whatever.
This is EXACTLY the type of video I was hoping to see!
There's a few more questions about the world that I have, but I was really hoping there were just. Parts of the game I straight up didn't register or glossed over, cause at the end I felt really empty and hanging on a lot of important plot points.
Stuff they brought up several times through the story, put a stress point on, and then did not bother to explain. It irks me to see that, and it's been putting a damper on my takeaway from the game as a whole.
Which is an absolute shame, cause Xenoblade is my favourite series at this point. It moved me to Japan, and the moment to moment story and gameplay of 3 was indeed great - just the ending left so many hanging threads that leave me unsatisfied. :(
wait holy shit this actually makes so much sense. i already love this game a ton but this made me appreciate it even more. great video.
Thank you so much for making this I was wondering what the relation between future connected and three was or just the fog in general :)
Glad it was helpful!
bro I have been looking for one of these videos ever since I finished the game two days ago, thank you so much
I don’t think the black fog is actually autonomous (spoiler warning by the way) Nia tells the party and the player that if the two worlds merged they would cancel each other out, mobius stopped time in that one second before that occurred and created aionios from the two worlds (though it might be better to say they slowed down time dramatically) essentially annihilation events are parts of the two worlds coming into contact with each other and the black fog is the beginning of that process which also explains why it happens when mobius and ouroboros interlink for two long because both sides require a person from agnus and keves to perform an interlink the overheating and subsequent annihilation events that happen afterwards is the process of the two individuals of the interlink fully merging and canceling each other out. To that end the mobius description of Aionios being an endless now was a false one they had simply subjected everyone to an extremely drawn out inevitable destruction
And based on revelations later in the game, they did it just for shits and giggles.
This sounds about right to me, yeah-
Yeah, but Moebius can turn Moebius on their own without a person from the apposing world actually being part of the Interlink. D and J for example and even K on his own.
The idea of the world's recombining is like the existence of quantum fluctuations, positive and negative atoms that pop into existence for a brief moment before snapping back into nothing, leaving behind energy
I saw the black fog as Xenoblade Minovsky Particles. It never occurred to me that it could just be some force or pressure.
Future connected foreshadowing how much bosses would've sucked
Music was fantastic
Nopon growing on trees makes sense, if you think about it...I mean, why else is the Nopon Village in XC1 inside a giant tree?
Xenoblade 3 isn't the conclusion of a trilogy it's not certain most likely its not gonna happen bcz tons of things from the 3 games yet to be answered and shown
How do nopon reproduce?
That random japanese guy running through the tunnel: SEEEEEXXXXXX, SEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXX
For a lot of the game, I figured that Annihilation events were the result of the mass within getting teleported away, likely back to their original XC1 or XC2 reality. Thus, things were kept suspended midair because, technically, all of that stuff still remained in the same X-Y-Z coordinates of reality, just on a new plane of existence, thus keeping everything else propped up across planes.
In the aftermath of fighting D&J, the cannon explodes, but Taion says that the two must still be alive, as he can still detect his origami creature. I figured that this was foreshadowing this aspect of teleportation, and Taion was detecting them across planes of reality. Then, later on, when Lanz and Eunie were about to sacrifice themselves to trigger an annihilation event on N, I was suspecting them to actually succeed in going through with it, resulting in those two being the first to cross the threshold into the worlds the annihilation events have been sending things to.
Of course, none of this ends up being true, as I'd soon learn with D&J returning in the encounter with the real Queen of Agnes. Would have been cool, though, maybe could have given a glimpse at some other places that didn't show up in Aionios proper, like Agniratha, Colony 6 or 9 from the Bionis, Temperantia, or Indol.
You eluded to this earlier and I'm glad you brought up Xenosaga - I was going to say that the Black Fog seems kind of like a modern variant of U-DO
There is one detail you missed though.
Also there is some spoilers here for anyone else that reads this.
Every moebius has fog spill out of them, so it comes from them. You see it when Consul K dies and just before P & O explode, the fog spills out first before being drawn in. Why fog is inside them but also hinders their sight is weird but then again, Nia says everyone has a bit of Moebius in them and the final battle with Z is just him as a giant black foggy head. I could be very wrong but Moebius seem to be fog itself, given form.
that wouldn't make much sense given that the black fog interferes with moebius. Moebius would never want to interfere with their own plans. Plus to me it seemed like Z's final form was more like a digital hologram rather than fog.
@@firesnakex8 But the moebius aren't some mastermind with perfectly working machinations, they're just the fear and other negative emotions people have given form. I think it would actually make sense that the fog is a part of them, given how it is slowly eroding the world away. In essense, moebius are self-destructive, and their whole plan was never going to work out forever, they were just stalling, running away from the inevitable.
I immediately saw the parallels to antimatter with the annihilation events, and surmised that Xenoblade 1 must have taken place in an antimatter universe. But the black fog was a lot more ambiguous. Probably would've helped if I had context from Xenogears to compare it to.
There's a misunderstanding of matter vs antimatter here. Matter isn't positively charged vs antimatter being negatively charged. Protons are positively charged, but in their most stable state have the same number of electrons orbiting them which are negatively charged, making the atom's overall charge neutral. Same with antimatter, instead with negative antiprotons and positive positrons, again ending up neutral. So matter and antimatter aren't magnetically attracted to eachother. They annihilate eachother if they make contact, but they don't seek eachother out and that's not what causes the conversion of matter into energy. If it was pushing opposite ends of 2 magnets together would explode
They are overall neutrally charged yes. Otherwise the theoretical existence of anti matter from the big bang (in the event that it was 50/50) the universe would be slowly destroying itself as each would pull to each other very slowly. And the reaction that was the big bang likely made it a mixed bag everywhere
However the overall point he made of the opposite charges are completely true where protons and antiprotons, electrons and positrons, etc. They would in very close proximity(likely on the atomic scale) naturally pull their respective opposite equivalents away causing the mass energy as its still technically splitting the atoms
The fog is the event itself. Since time is frozen and if move you a little to fast in frozen time (aka create energy) the atoms will restart the time on that specific location and boom betwen 2 worlds will happen. The world is slowly dying in xenoblade 3 and it will not be possible to keep it in frozen time forever as more and more will dissapear over time, returning back to original timeline (and blowing up in process since it hits the other world)
Mobius have a warning system, so they dont hit the critial mass and cause it. Heck i would say they have generators to move that energy away from their bodys so they dont cause the event.
I mean even Dio in Jojo has a time limit. They are laws you cant break.
I just see the Fog as a consequence from the worlds merging, thing that happened since XC1/2 ending, the Fogbeasts were the first reaction to worlds being in the same universe
I also think that with FC starting it, XC3 forgetting the fog and XCX having Dark Matter i think that Takahashi is foreshadowing them as the eventual biggest threat on the Xenoblade Universe
And i think that before XC4 comes out XCX will receive a port for the next Nintendo console with a new epilogue FC style and finally connect it to the other games
In the end i think that everything leads to the Gnosis in the Xenoblade Universe honestly
Very well done with the observations and such.. As we do know that Aionios is a Temporary world (This concept can be a double-edged sword) so I think the writers delibirately make alot of the concepts vague or rather other-wordly..
See Aionios shouldn't be made in the first place and just a result of constant unfortunate events (Which is a very theme in his game as well "Luck") hence they would rather have this world to be covered with mystery rather than definite answers, you get what I mean??
Yea like I said it can be bad or good but Imho incorporating a cohesive narrative alongside such complex scientific concept is REAAAAALLLY hard to do.. And them incorporating the expositions in the Side Quests (It's not perfect tho) is a really good decision rather than having the players be bored on Long-boring-expositions... Thumbs-up for Monolithsoft for this one..
The best course of action for the New Story DLC is an epilogue for sure or else they will f*ck up this "Closure" theme they are going after...
Also looking forward to your more Lore videos.. You earned a sub and a share to my friends. 😊👍
I agree, I'm have a lot of anticipation for the DLC story and thanks I appreciate it 👍
45 seconds in and I’m yelling I knew the black fog was Nopon farts!!!
Yes 😂 the signs were always there
4:19 is peak eunie performance. The fog will soon be coming to erease her.
Ya, XB3 is basically Xenogears remake. They may as well just play the Fei and Elly love story theme when Noah and Mio are on screen.
X: So are we gonna do anything about the Nopons
Z: just ignore them
X: You sure?
Z: oh please they just a bunch greedy fluffy balls what the worst that can happen.
Pretty good video. That adds a lot about the Black Fog theory that i had playing the game. My theory was that the fog was a reaction of the two worlds colliding. And the Mobius/Ouroboros transformation is kinda an aceleration of the world state of fusion and distruction. Fighting "D" in early game he says that a Mobius must be a union of a Kevesi and a Agnus. In the fight with P and O, they made an alegory saying that a Mobius is a fusion of "two worlds". And just like the worlds colliding, the reunion of the black fog resulting on the Anihilation Effect, the extended effect of a Mobius, and an Ouroboros also results in it. That was the realization i came alone with. My theory alone don't explain the reason why the Black Fog manifested as an Guldo in Future Connected, and why manipulated other beings. The only thing i try to think with was the Black Fog was still weak, and could'nt just cause distruction by itself, so manipulatin the surroudings was the only way of manifestation, and the Infernal Guldo appeared because was the only creature who could be manifested in Xenoblade 1 universe. Since Klaus claimed that Guldos were human who still got attached of life. The remains of his former life was in this universe.
It would be cool if the black fog got explained in further games
Also I would like to see a Xeno game set before the universe restart
0:00 this opening statement is news to me
I love that you used that clip from Pawn Stars as an example, I remember thinking that seeing that episode lol
I was admittedly looking for a different clip I remembered from the show but that did the job
been rewatching these videos after completing Future Redeemed. I was hoping FR would explain the difference between black fog and rift fog better. I used to think black fog was purely friction between worlds, but starting to warm up to the idea there is more to it, especially since annihilation events can happen without black fog. And i can buy into the idea of mobius being made from it. But what i dont get is how is black fog both a hindrance for mobius but also something that is in their cores? why do interlinked mobius annihilate but unlinked the black fog doesnt pose a risk to themselves? i know you mentioned releasing a new video on fog
That thumbnail is genuinely incredible
I had so much trouble deciding on a good image to use and this is just what I ended up with 😂 looking forward to the next vids thumbnail tho 😉
The Annihilation events remind me of Ghosts from X exploding on Earth when destroyed. Perhaps bringing it into focus at the crux of the trilogy is meant to set up a tie in antagonist, in which Mira and X in general is the end goal.
Huh...is it possible the origin sword and sword of the end are made from forged black fog?
4:27 Eunie lmao
The fog is a concept. Like the final boss. *drops mic, walks away*
Wait WHY DID THAT BOLD! I FUCKED MY OWN MOMENT
Did you put asterisks around it? *I think that does it.*
I'm still disappointed that there's no Fog King explanation in the game :(.
Yet
@@mrbubbles6468 But still, It shouldn't be a DLC thing in my opinion.
@@elpoppliogameralons0839 It should when the entire XC3 makes it clear that the story was written with DLC in mind from the start.
I think that Fogbeasts and Black Fog will be XC4's new big threat, so the saga will focus on theme just like XC1-3 were about Klaus
4:26 lol you ok there Eunie?
The Fog King was Meyneth.
The exact same model was used for a boss in Xenoblade 2, where Rex and co. discover Galea's ID card after killing it.
The name of that boss was "The Infernal Guldo".
Incase you may not have noticed, the "Infernal Guldo" doesn't actually demonstrate any signs of being on fire or having any firey accents.
What does? The "Fog King".
This is clearly not a coincidence.
The Fog King is a Gnosis of Meyneth/Galea. The portals through which the monsters appeared through the fog (tainted mobs) are identical to the portals in Xenosaga where Gnosis would come from.
The Fog King plotline was meant as a bookend to Meyneth' story, post-Zanza.
I always saw the black fog as the worlds (correctly) merging in small spaces, essentially replacing parts of aionios with empty space from both worlds.
Another interpretation I have is that the black fog is the new universes answer to Logos, as his role as Malos was that of a destroyer. I thought maybe his residual ether was included in Origin’s database, causing him to be “revived” in Aionios as a force of nature.
Great video, I just have one question. At 2:11, you mention that the entire events of Xeno 1 are a part of Alvis' memory space. I was under the impression taht the only tie we see Alvis' memory is when shown the events of Klaus creating the new universe, and showing Shulk what would happen if nothing was done and recreating Shulk's memories to spur him on. Am I just recalling events incorrectly, or is there more evidence for all of Xeno 1 being in "Alvis"?
Memory Space is the name of a special type of Pocket Dimension/Virtual Reality that the Trinity Processors have access to, it's also the name of the area in Xenoblade 1 where you fight Zanza as the Final Boss, And Alvis acts as Shulk's personal Therapist. It's also the virtual reality that Pneuma and Logos use in Xc2 to interract with each other. The general implication is that they can create a bunch of mini-pocket dimensions within memory space, hence why even though they're all seemingly connected, there's still 3 different Memory Spaces operating in tandem with each other for the entire plot of the first 2 games. The exact specifics of how the Memory Space system works in general isn't the most well known thing though.
@@RudiMyDear Ok, thanks for the clarification, definitely a bit behind on Xeno lore discussions.
After playing I never noticed that the black fog had correlation to future connected I hate myself I keep forgetting things or not noticing things from the two first games I hate it so much
First off of course Nopon are fucking cannibals. We knew this since XC2 when Boreas revealed he has licked Tora's feet as a mean to taste test their species in his heart to heart lol. Jokes aside this was very helpful and informative. Since I have same brain cells as Lanz, I honestly didn't comprehend the significance of the fog with Aionis and FC. This really does well to explain what was going on in the game and give me a better understanding of the significance of the fog in the story.
You neglected to mention electrons and positrons. There are also antineutrons and antineutrinos, as well as W- bosons, which are the antiparticle of W+ bosons. There are even quarks and antiquarks.
I know that's because I tried to do this thing called "Simplifying" to make it easier for most people to digest 😂
In all seriousness, I appreciate you for leaving this comment for those that want to learn more about the specifics! I was aware of this of course but felt it would just confuse things to include in the video
@@JBspherefreak Yes, I can see how this would make the analogy more confusing. Atomic matter and antimatter would not attract each other through the electromagnetic force at any easily detectable distance. However, they would attract each other through gravity, so the analogy still could work... maybe?
black tar! Stuck on a whole different planet...I need a bigger gun
Doesn't all of this mean that eventually the two worlds would collide and cancel each other out anyway? If the opposite polairites keep attracting each other, there is no way to change that. How does Origin prevent this outcome? and if the two worlds would come into contact without merging, wouldn't that also be against the will of the universe and spawn the Black Fog again?
Awesome video JB
Whoa you can’t just end the video on that cliffhanger
Kind of wish there was a spoiler tag in the intro
now a lot of things make sense...
Are you going to update your ideas on the fog beasts now after Future Redeemed? Just curious 👀
I'm planning on making another video on the Fog yea but most of this stuff, at least relating to the Annihilation Events are still accurate
Thank you for this video, it made me understand black fog more as the game glance over it to much, which makes sense since the character can't understand everything about the world, much less the black fog. It been the universes will trying to right thing makes sense, *SPOILER!!* more so in a world were the main enemy is also a embodiment of sort of emotions (fear the most present) so makes sense the universe has a will and will make sure things move according to it (one way or another).
Great video, I was really curious about the fog, and I think you explained it pretty well. That being said I am still not sure what the Fog King has to do with XC3. If the Black Fog appears to fight the worlds merging, then it doesn't neccessarily come from the Fog King right? Maybe I'm overlooking something.
She Noahs on my flameclock
4:26 Eunie going apesh*t
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Not a bad idea but do explain this to me then, why did the 2 worlds drift apart from each other at the end? Seriously it makes no sense, the whole time everyone was saying "the worlds are still crashing together, if origin is stopped they'll collide". But then origin is stopped and the 2 worlds randomly just do the exact opposite? Feels like it should have ended with origin causing the 2 worlds to interlink properly or something, fitting the theme of the whole game
So basically the blackfog is a countermeasure of reality to reshape itself similar to the counterforce of the fate series
Yea thats actually basically what it is
This explains a lot, it all makes sense now. Thank you for this video
From now on I won´t eat plants to not harm Nopon, thank you
Nice video!
Do we know why z has an army of enemies made from the fog in origin?
so... you just prove that Tatsu IS a good damn potato!
4:30 i fuckjng love eunie
I'm curious if we'll ever find out what being controls the black fog and fate in general.
Laws of universe ;P
Great explanation
Wow. And here, I thought I was the fog guy in this community. XD
Ha we can share the roll 😉
is the black fog connected to the taint from Xenoblade X in any way?
This video is literally the only way the Fog King actually means anything to the overall plot. Oof. Still the worst Xenoblade villain by far.
The Fog King is meant to be set up for the series so yea, on his own, he aint the best...
It's not a villain. It's a glorified Unique Monster.
The fog king is not a villain nor hero, it just exists as a sort of energy like ether that eradicates the merging of the two worlds, possibly a byproduct of the worlds splitting?
I don’t think the fog king was meant to be a villain, it’s a literal force of nature with no apparent mind
The Fog King is already a concluded story.
It was Meyneth.
Love the video! Is it possible you can explain Lucky Seven? Or at least how it’s able to sense Moebius?
It was created with origin metal and an ouroboros stone
Any relation to the fog creatures from X?
If the world is frozen in time, why is there still a day/night cycle ?
Because time still passes. Think of Aionios like its own pocket dimension that exists in that split second between the clock tower where we see white Alcamoth. The world is frozen sure but everything has to continue for it to be and everlasting now
The nopon being like plants is confirmed? Or is just a joke that i think he said seriously?
Really? Huh, I thought that Nopon were sentient potatoes.
sick thumbnail just gotta say
Thanks ma dude, it took a while to make this one 😅
I think the black fog will be more important in upcoming title than Xenoblade Chronicles 3 or just be completely forgotten and we will never get a clear explanation from writer.
can we get a source on that Nopon reproduction thing?
Tindia
@@JBspherefreak ? Can you elaborate more, pls
@@Polmo1997 the nopon reproduction thing was a joke and tindia is a mod in his discord
I have a couple of issues with this theory, to be honest. First off, the two worlds were both originally one world. Why would splitting a single world create what are essentially a world of matter and a world of antimatter that would perfectly cancel each other out? Last I checked, the world had way more matter than antimatter. Secondly, how would N/Noah, who's from Melia's world, be able to have kids with M/Mio, who's from Nia's world, if Noah was matter and Mio was antimatter? Just trying to do so would result in them seriously damaging each other, if not outright killing each other, because while the world's time was frozen, time for the people living inside of Aionios was clearly still flowing.
To be honest, I don't think Nia was being literal when she said the worlds would cancel each other out, and simply meant the collision would've destroyed them both. Even if she was being literal, I don't think it's a matter/antimatter situation, but something else, possibly even something exclusive to the physics of the Xenoblade universe.
So to clairfy, it is only using the concept of Anti-Matter. Obviously the XC1 and XC2 universe are not completely made up of Matter and Anti-Matter but they act as cuh which is why when the SAME thing from both worlds overlap, they trigger an Annihilation Event. This should also clarify why people from both worlds don't blow up when they touch
Nia was being literal and this is regarded as exactly how and why the Annihilation Events are created
how did you think of that whole bright fig Nopon thing lmao
I hadn't slept for like 3 days...