For why Noah doesn't get frozen in time at 5:27, the way I interpret it is that it's what Noah sees while his consciousness is stored inside origin. That is to say, what he was experiencing was happening to everyone else. The best comparison I can make is like a multiplayer game freezing while the server updates, but letting the players continue to play the game on the client side. Everyone sees everything but themselves get frozen in time because that was the last state the universe was perceived, and it resumes once the update is finished and the players are all able to reconnect. It's not a perfect explanation, but it's the best I've been able to come up with
Interesting idea! I always enjoyed running round in COD seeing people in place (Was funny) but its an interesting idea. I do still think that it could have something to do with Noah being special but its a interesting theory for now 👍
i always just took it more symbolically. noah isn't actually special in the scene, we're just seeing it from his point of view and we see the fear he harbors that which creates moebius to freeze time. it's not actually happening physically or in any real time
Oh that makes more sense. Like, everyone themselves weren’t frozen but everything else was. Ergo, they just decided to focus on Noah’s perspective bc he’s the main guy, not bc he’s already super special in that moment
@@rhettmitchell that's close to what i'm saying! rather noah doesn't move at all like everyone else. we just seen a drawn out version of his emotions and feelings about seeing the worlds collide, they're just personified through him. if lanz was the main character instead, we would see the same thing just with him. and the reason why we don't see all of our party respond is because individually, they wouldn't be aware of each others feelings and wouldn't be able to communicate them since it all happens in an instant this actually kind of helps explain aionios' story in general where it's less that everything is happening in a second and more that it all happens at the speed of light, like how origin operates to begin with. so the origin technology that allows for communication between the universes also allowed for a micro universe to exist in that one moment
tbh it was Melia's comment about everything that exists is reality is what firmly convinced me that Aionios is not a *physical* place, but a cognitive world inside the collective unconscious of Origin. everything that happens in the entire history of Aionios happens in the few seconds between Origin initializing and completing.
It's not unlike what we currently understand the "afterlife" to be. Time dilated down by your subconscious to near infinity (but not true infinity, see: annihilation events) before the moments of your death, filled and populated by the will of what you believe will happen to you.
I would say the collective unconscious inside Origin is what spawns both the Origin Sword and Z, both reflecting opposing ideas, just like it reflects as the destruction of the universe and the Gnosis in Xenosaga
Really great video! As for why Noah did freeze when Orgin initiated, while its never confirmed why its likely the same reason Noah and Mio are outliers to the orgin rebirth system. This was the reason Why Z took interest in N and M as they could be reborn after a homecoming. Hopefully we get an explanation on why they are special in the dlc story expansion.
I'd say that Noah is like Neo from Matrix,he's expected to be an anomaly to fix the Endless now. X once said "they only use what we gave them" or something quite alike. I guess z wants what he sees as a perfect world and that involves something to avoid it turning into degeneration. The same ambiguous thing for z allowing m for the homecoming rite. M says "z wants it too". I don't think she was only lying.
So first off, absolutley wonderful video. In the span of 14 minutes you explained origin better than the actual game does. Secondly, this made me wish even more that the last 2 chapters didn't feel as rushed as they were cause the story doesn't really discuss certain parts of its story nearly enough.
I saw a theory that was pretty sound. Basically the reason why it failed was because they were using parts of the Trinity Processor like computer parts. Pyra and Mythra creating the data, and Alvis storing and processing data. However, they didn't have the third component: Malos. Malos in this case, would be deleting any bad data (fear, doubt and therefore, Z and Moebius). The theory goes on by saying that Malos is kind of Lucky Seven/the sword of the End. Deleting the bad data and allowing the process to continue. And a key evidence: the Sword N used, even before becoming Moebius, is purple. Representative of Malos. (I cannot remember if this is the video I saw. Apologies if it is. I will delete the comment if it is)
Well thought out video and very impressed with your editing! Well done! I feel like you've hit it right on with many of the underlying tones of "what actually happened." There are still many questions to ask, especially pre-origin, such as how was Nia elevated to Queen (perhaps because she would simply live the longest over everyone) or how they discovered the power of light, let alone the existence of the fact the world's were beginning to merge. Really like the tie in to X's lifehold and the explanation you had for the manifestation of Moebius. I'm also keen to see how the DLC story will deliver on this game truly being the end of the Klaus saga.
@@FakeFantum I think it was more that her father figure was more of a minor noble in Gormott, but her family all died anyway, so she would, at most, be a fallen noble. But she doesn’t care enough to rectify that situation in 2. Which makes it all the more confusing as to how she became Queen of the whole of Alrest before 3. I’m sure Pyra, Mythra, Rex, Zeke, or Mòrag would’ve done it as well, so I’m not sure why it had to be her. Mythra or Pyra especially would’ve been fine choices since they’re immortal
7:02 i don't think this is both universes separating again, but instead the intersection moving towards completion. moebius stopped the process basically in the middle of it, the worlds had not yet fully intersected and not everything was where it should be, i think the ending is basically the worlds moving towards their complete collision and the post credit scene being the aftermath of Origin working successfully
Idk, I think they definitely focused on the characters WAY more in this game, and gave focus to the lore and world building in like 4 cutscenes lol. Maybe the devs thought we didn’t need any more world or lore explanations since we’re just in the 1 and 2 worlds, so they just devoted everything to character writing
Maybe safe world merging is a natural process that will happen eventually. The universes were just 'moving' so quickly they crash into and annihilate each other. After they finish intersecting the force of the pull would be reduced as it changed direction. Each intersection slowing them down and giving them less distance and chance to accelerate until they're stationary and fully merged.
It's gonna take some time as I intend to be extra thorough with that and the Monado video so it might not come out for a while but one day, it will be created
Just wanted to thank you for compiling all this in a far more digestible format than the game itself does, obviously it's missing some pieces of information that Future Redeemed gives us of course but this gave me far more appreciation for the story of 3. In fact it honestly might be my favourite of the trilogy now that all the pieces of the puzzle fit together in my mind.
In a theory, I have of my own is that time is not fully stopped in the endless now, it is ever so slowly merging, and that's what the annihilation effect is. It's the materials of both worlds coming into contact with another and annihilating it. Another theory I have is that the reason why Noah can see time as it's frozen is that, in a way, he is special from the memories we see from N we learned that in every lifetime he had he would always be fighting against Z and every time he would lose causing him to rebirth again and again until he gives in and once he gives in the world has to make another Noah and Mio since they are the only one's who in every lifetime have had to fight Moebius, so if they turn into Moebius the world has to birth them again to try and fight off the endless now. It's just a small little theory I have.
I absolutely love your Xenobalde content! I have a question: Many people tell me that Aionios is not "real", that it's like a VR or alt reality created by Mobius to maintain the endless now, is that right? I always understood that Aionios was in fact the somewhat merged worlds stuck right before the full calamity of merging. I think you explained it as such too? Is Aionios actually a world made of data and not an actual world per see?One of the examples I've seen to back this up is that the sword of mechonis shouldn't exist by this point. Personally, I thought it was just broken by now. On a side note: 11:41 I am pretty sure Nia said "see you soon" when looking at the picture so they must be alive.
I appreciate the kind words 😊 As for your question, this topic is still left in debate. My understanding of Aionios is like you described in the way that everything that takes place is all in the real world, NOT a different reality. There is evidence to support that but there is also evidence on the contrary. Majority of people believe that the events of Xenoblade 3 do not matter as time was in a sense, rewinded back to when the worlds were first merging, thus making everything up to that point irrelevent. This is simply un true and is much easier to explain when taking the view that Aionios is still the real world. As for what actually happened...well...it's hard to say. I could make the argument that the "Omni-Static Space" that origin created could TECHNICALLY be considered a seperate reality/dimension/e.t.c. BUT if it actually is is a bit above my pay grade at the moment. The main reason that people believe that this is an alterante reality is due to the one scene in the epilogue where you can see both planets in the sky as its suggested that THIS is the real world. Overall, I still lean more on the side that Aionios is the real world after the worlds had started to merge and had been frozen in time but it is possible it is an alternate reality where only their consciousnesses reside (Although that brings up issues in itself). Once we know and understand the original function of Origin (Whether it was originally meant to merge both worlds back together safely OR somehow keep them seperate for good) we'll likely have a better answer but for now, this is the best explaination I can give
The design of Origin, for whatever reason, inspires me to write a crossover Sci-Fi related story in one of my composition books, where the main war-bringing source would be called, the Paradox Orb. It may not be soon, but that would be interesting for me to do. Plus, I would include myself as a neutral scientific gunner.
My theory is, that the universes don't merge immediatly, they rather swirl around or through each other multiple times like when galaxies start merching, until the pull is strong enough to finally fuse the worlds completely. Nia and Melia also stated at the end that they'll surely meet again, which would indicate that the universes will start colliding again.
It could be that mobius is like a blade the people subconscious could have awakened Mobuis and he would take on the form and powers of their beliefs and doubts and z may have had aegis level power as he can use the power of origen
Hey man new sub loved the video, was wondering if can you do a scale of how strong Shulk is. He's said to be multiversal+ and the universe is also said to be infinite somehow. Keep the grind
Just quickly dropping in to say - Great video! I loved your analysis. However you REALLY gotta up the exposure and contast in that thumbnail. It'll take like 5 seconds in your editing software of choice - but i could barley see the word ORIGIN in that sick composition you made. Remember that thumbnails are called that because they're the size of your Thumb Nail! 👍 so you gotta make sure it's clear and eye catching. Hope this helps! I love your stuff, and your thumbnails ! They just gotta be a bit brighter
Appreciate the feedback but I did try that for the text on this one already...I turned both way up to the point that it looked unatural and worse then how it is now... Main issue is to much of the text is being covered up but there are so few images of Origin (Excluding ones with spoilers within) that actually look any good for a thumbnail so my options were limited from the start
The thing about Origin is neither Alrest or the world of the Bionis had anywhere near the technology to build something like Origin. Origin's technology surpasses the technology of Morytha which according to 2 would take hundreds of years to fully decipher and in 1 while they had Shulk, the most technologically advanced civilizations of the High Entia and the Mechons also wouldn't have been able to build Origin. Assuming Xenoblade 3 takes place roughly 20 years after Xenoblade 2, there's not enough of a gap for technology to advance that fast and I think that's pretty obvious with Ino who has less features than Poppi even after being fully restored. So how would Origin be made? Basically it would have to require the help of the Trinity Processors at minimum and probably in some capacity also requires the Conduit or something similar to it. Pneuma maybe inherited Logos' authority at the end of 2 and maybe Alvis did exist somewhere in Bionis post 1, so both of them combined would create the full trinity processor. Idk I hope the dlc explains it in more detail.
Actually incorrect! Alrest had the technology of Core Crystals which were initially created as a replacement for the human brain but were re-purposed by Klaus to become the Nuclei of new life...the blades. They can further be re-purposed however to simply be storage devices which is what Core Crystals do normally anyway and this is proven true due to the Core Crystals inside of Origin. On the Xenoblade 1 side, the Machina have produced both Replica Monado's and Apocrypha Generators which are frankly the most OP things in the series. I said before that I need to make standalone videos explaining how these things actually work but they can EASILY perform every function that Origin can do normally...they are THAT over powered. The issue I always came to however is what is the power source and what is supplying the Ether needed for the tech to work (Because normally Ether is supplied via either the Conduit or Alvis) which is what lead me to believe there is a Conduit Emulator or something similar inside of Origin, further proven through the Zohar's in the Concept art
@@JBspherefreak So while core crystals do have the ability to store data, aside from the Aegis the only people who could actually use that technology was Indol and Indol exploded at the end of 2 so I guess it would come down to how much of that technology was salvaged. And even with the height of Indol's technology which would be Amalthus himself, it was nowhere close to the technology needed for origin. It's one thing to store 500 years of data, it's another to store the data of the universe. Strictly speaking if you consider the read and write speed needed for that amount of data or maybe all that data was just handed to Pneuma at the end of 2 (ignoring the data would need to be updated), even if Amalthus or someone as knowledgeable as him was alive they wouldn't have been able to store a universe of data in that time. Or even if you just limited it to all of Alrest, you would also need time to store the data of all of Bionis and once again it took Amalthus 500 years to get to the level he did. Indol was the height of technology on Alrest and there is no way they would have the technology in time even if Indol didn't explode. Even actual blades couldn't utilize Morythian technology from Adenine's sidequest, and she was someone who specialized in that research so even with blades helping something like Origin could only exist with the help of the trinity processors. And for the Monado Replica, it's idk for something like Origin to work you needed it to store two universes worth of data and then be able to rematerialize it. The only one on Bionis that had anywhere near that level of power was Alvis. Though it is a bit weird how Alvis could do that and not the other two Aegis unless they were intentionally kept unaware of the Conduit while Alvis maintained that information somehow. And also if the trinity processors had that power I don't think Klaus would have done the experiment. Prior to the incident they were already sentient and created the artifices and even that wasn't enough to stop Earth from destroying itself in a civil war. If they could innately do something on the level of Origin, why wasn't it done back then? That makes me think that something else has to be in play.
The worlds annihilating each other is avoided by stopping time, but the annihilation was intended to happen in the original plan of the queens, so it doesn't make much sense for the time stop to be an intended feature of Origin as it is not compatible with the original plan.
You misunderstand, the time freeze function within Origin was supposed to create a safe space where both worlds could be created. It was as you say never intended to be used to freeze time of the worlds and prevent the Annihilation. It was Z or Moebius which used this function (Originally to make a safe enviroment) to freeze both worlds in place
I think I have an idea for how Origin is supposed to prevent annihilation when the recreated worlds meet again. You said one world had positive and one negative charge, right? So what if Origin was supposed to recreate both worlds as neutral matter?
@@JBspherefreak I really loved the game, I see it as a natural continuation from the first 2 XC, and I like the underlying philosophy about the Mobius in everyone of us. I feel the ending kind of weird through. Dividing back the two worlds feels like going back in time, it doesn't feel like "not fearing the future". And asking Mio and Noah to give up their love to each other felt quite like the opposite of Ouroboros (which i interpreted as the embodiement of love and selflessness over power).
@@JBspherefreak 1. Your video doesn’t even reference what she says: “Origin was originally meant to reboot the 2 worlds once they collided, however Z prevented that.” 2. I’m not trying to argue. Just bringing up a huge point you seem to have missed. 3. *Than
I think the worlds were designed to stay separate on accounts of the queens order. Imagine you you’re world, which has just achieved a sense of peace a few years ago, is about to be destroyed. Keeping the worlds as they are, separate, was likely a more comforting idea for the queens. They risked disrupting their peace in fusing. They’re would have been two nations with different cultures. It would be like buying a new house with total strangers. You’d rather have the house for yourself and your family. However, I am under the impression the worlds will merge eventually. The ending of the game makes it so clear that the people have proved these two worlds can co-exist, can love one another.
Watching this video retrospectively after Future Redeemed, I'm left with one burning question. What was Alpha waiting for? His goal as I understand it was to destroy the worlds and start new. And we see in Future Redeemed that there are Agnian and Kevesi soldiers at war, colonies, and flame clicks. This would indicate that Alpha is the one who actually started the Endless Now. But why? He had Origin and everything he needed. Why not just let the worlds collide and fulfill his goals?
So your theory makes a lot of sense now , they used light to transfer the data , recreate the materials from said data , compressed them to enigmatter and refined them to origin metal. Mashas DLC actually bringing relevant physics science infos with it is very useful to understand this. Her DLC shows that not everything gets annihilated in an annihilation event and some rest material gets compressed into one another creating Enigmatter. So Enigmatter is not Origin Metal , but it is still strong enough to withstand Annihilation Events. I think we can look at it from this perspective : Enigmatter is the raw ore that you can refine into Origin Metal. With all the brainwashing and over time most of the populace of Aionios simply forgot how to create and forge this material. The knowledge on how to handle Enigmatter was probably passed down within the Cassini family , and a few Nopon Smiths. So its just basic science , compression allows + and - materials to fuse instead of annihilating themselves. This might sound insignificant , but having it established in the Lore might prove very relevant. Slave Generators = Zohar Emulators ? There is the possibility that Pyra and Mythra are absent because they have to power Origin from within.
Very much so. If Enigmatter, is the raw matireal of whatever Origin is made out of, then things start to make sense. The question then becomes how they managed to aquire so much to build it but we'll see
Just gonna say it. If aionios is a pocket dimension then everything melia said was still correct it was still reality and it was still real if only for a second before the universes unfused again
Origin is not meant to reboot 2 universes. It was meant only to reboot both worlds. Nia explains this, the universes are drifting apart, the two earth's by sheer will are coming togather to collide.
You mean like, the two universes will collide, and then within the resulting single universe Origin reconstructs the two worlds seperately? Interesting idea
Ok 2 questions: if everything in Origin is reality, then is time frozen in there? I know they speak of the endless now but is that LITERALLY how it is? No time passes for Melia and Nia but everyone in Origin still ages regularly? Unsure. Second question, why is there so much doubt in people's minds about the end of the world? We must remember that every citizen of BOTH worlds experienced an end of the world event in their respective worlds that didn't end up actually ending it. And in fact, both worlds changed drastically due to the effects of beating the game. They have been constantly changing for the last couple decades or so, so why is change such an overhelming fear in people's minds? Wouldn't it be more like anxiety about living situations, how to make money in this new world, etc. Maybe I am looking at this all wrong but it seems a bit weird
1. I think theres a bit of confusion here because Xenoblade 3 (Or Aionios) didn't take place inside of Origin. Origin is literally just the tool that was used to create this world which is reality. The Endless now is actually a great wording as it is LITERALLY what it says on the tin. It is time frozen in one infinite point BUT only the world or the concept of the world is frozen meaning anybody and everyone still ages. Melia and Nia for instance likely didn't age after 1,000 years due to being attached to Origin or going into sleep stasis. 2. Your both right and wrong. Anxiety is exactly part of what created Moebius and it was this anxiety of the future which Corrupted Origin. That said, both people's would still be fearfull of what is happening to their worlds. Yes, they have both lived through world changing events but NEVER has this been through choice. Zanza and Malos both wanted to change their world through their own selfish whims whereas this time around, it was the people of both worlds that tried to get around this situation. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment and think about it. Even with what they've been through, would you not expect them to be scared and anxious of if they made the right descision, if this will work and if they'd be the same people on the other side. I'd also guess judging from Melia and Nia's mannerism's at the end of XC3 that they were quite unsure about if Origin would even work in the first place. It's not like they have ever done something as extreme before and with the stakes so high, there would be no room for any mistakes
@@JBspherefreak So let's say that the worlds are indeed stuck in time. We see the moment in which they are stuck. Above Noah's head we see the other world looming overhead, frozen like everything else. How does Aionios exist if the two worlds don't physically collide yet?
@@RellekEarth So at the point when Noah can see the worlds like that, they aren't frozen. I explained in the video that I think this is due to something that the queens set up before hand to protect their peoples but the worlds do in fact collide and overlap
So basically origin was to safely merge both worlds into one without killing everything that exists in both worlds, but due to everyone's doubts on this plan this corrupted origins AI then created Mobius, and instead of safely merging the world's it then froze time creating a world where time doesn't move so people no longer had to worry because origin is OP. Due to Mobius being part concept part individual, they took advantage of Origins' ability at storing all of life's data, and used them as entertainment, and a means to sustain life for themselves. Is that about right? Anyway wouldn't a better end have been origin success in the merge? Because the world's are still separate won't they just end up colliding again? And self doubt just repeats itself unless origin learns to not record doubts? Love the game coming back after a long break just a refresher to play DLC. Sorry long wall of text.
You've picked up on most of it yea but theres a couple of points I'd like to clarify 👍 Number 1: Origin WAS meant to kill everyone or more specifically the world was. They came to the conclusion that the Annihilation of both of their worlds was inevitable and there would be no way to stop it so instead, they planned a way on how they could survive it even if only slighly. The idea was that when both worlds were completely destroyed and every living being was dead, Origin using the data inside would rebuild an exact replica of the moment before it happened. This is relatively confirmed by Melia at the start of Chapter 7 who says something along the lines of "Will we still be the same people we are". Number 2: I know I said it was an AI in Origin in the video but this techinically isn't confirmed. This is what the Wiki says and what most people agree on but Z may not have been an AI. Our initial prediction for instance was that Z was performing some form of Gnosis shenanigans from Xenosaga so its not entirely clear right now. What we do know is that this repeated emotion DID end up corrupting something which then took over Origin similar to an AI. Number 3: Time isn't technically frozen although it would appear that way. From the perspective of those within Aionios, time may look like its still but from outside, things are merely frozen in place. For time to actually be frozen, that would require that EVERYTHING be frozen including all the people, animals, machines and anything else within the world, never to move again. Origin basically froze everything non-organic in place to prevent the worlds from colliding but TECHNICALLY time is still flowing. Say for instance that the worlds froze in the year 1,000. In the main story in Xenoblade 3, they would be taking place in 2,000+ as time is still moving. Number 4: Not wrong here but thought I'd clarify. Moebius IS people. If there were no people then Moebius could not exist as the concept or that feeling of Moebius would no longer exist. They made people their sustanence because they had no choice to do so as they needed fresh people to drain this feeling from to maintain their existence and in extension, the endless now. Number 5: I agree but I believe the DLC will have more answers as to the ending. Takahashi made it clear that this was supposed to be the conclusion to the Klaus saga which basically means that the events he made occur by pressing that big red button will come to an end which to me requires the worlds to merge in the end. I believe we will get conclusive confirmation in the DLC as to exactly what occured here but it is hinted at that these worlds will end up merging once again in the future anyway (Probably not within anyones lifespans tho)
This comes off as guesswork that in ways still doesn't make sense. The explanation of Origin metal doesn't work because you are saying that the metal comes as a product of the two worlds coming together, when anything from the worlds coming together would no longer exist. So we are told that the worlds coming together would annihilate them both, except a few things that don't because reasons. Plus how could this material even exist for them to build Origin, if the metal is a result of what you said then for them to build Origin before the worlds collided should be impossible as for what is required to make Origin can't even exist. Next point would be the power source for all this. You say it comes from the slave generators but from what is explained here again... makes no sense. The generators get their power from the Conduit which you said and as people who know the lore know, no longer exists. So by that alone says that the generators don't work because they can't get power from something that is no longer there. You say that it's still using the Conduits power but with no source to draw from it's impossible. Heck back in Xenoblade 2 Klaus explained to Rex that once the Conduit is gone that Rex wouldn't be able to use the Master Driver powers anymore since that too come from the Conduit. Say that the generators are like a hydroelectric dam, in order for the dam to work massive amounts of water is required and without it then the dam can't get any power. So in the case that the Conduit is like water you are expecting me to believe that a dam would still work without the every thing it draws its power from. We get more of Z "explained" here in relation to Origin but still just comes off as a baddie who just appeared because game needed a bad guy. Z is some AI for Origin that got corrupted by the will of the people, okay how did that happen? Because for that to work would only make Melia and Nia look like total dumbasses, Nia even more so. They work together to make Origin and all which is well and good, but they didn't work on any safety nets incase something went wrong. After all the thing with Z is pretty much what happened with Malos only on a larger scale. Malos was corrupted by Amalthus and Z was corrupted by well everyone. With Nia who knows for a fact that this could happen, NEVER thought of making something so that Origin doesn't get corrupted by the negative emotions of the people within? I've heard that Xenoblade 3 was meant to conclude the Klaus stuff too, but really this game never really felt like it did. After all, if you just consider what happened at the ends of Xenoblade 1 and 2 it seems to conclude that story just fine without needing another game for that. The need for another game for that just didn't feel right. When you think about how the Klaus story was handled here, it really came off as of little importance. You can say that what happens in 3 are a result of his actions but it still doesn't work. Say you have a new player who never played the games before, after everything in Xenoblade 3 can you tell me that those players will have any real understanding of Klaus or his character in just Xenoblade 3 alone? Even if people who work on the game say that it was meant to conclude that story unless some real importance is placed on it then it doesn't really work out that way.
Indeed, a lot of this is speculation but it is all grounded in facts and things that have been clearly shown through the series I admit, the weakest part of this whole video is what Origin Metal is made out of. We went over this like 7 different times after realising that things couldn't work that way and this ultimately what we came up with. Firstly, I'd like to emphasise the point that Origin Metal can not be a matireal that was or is effected by the Klaus Experiment. With that in mind, the argument I gave "can" work due to how Annihilation Events occur. Annihilation Events (and Anti-Matter similarly) will only be caused if there are equal amounts of matter. In Xenoblade 3's scenario, that means that the matter has to be the EXACT same for an Annihilation Event to occur else the worlds wouldn't be able to overlap at all. It was this principle that we used to determine it might be theoretically possible to create Neutral matter from both universes. I don't dispute that Eunie says in the Epilogue "This paper won't last" suggesting that ANY matter would be removed but the facts about how Annihilation events work disagrees with said statement. Keep in mind that Slave Generators don't work like traditional power sources and very little is actually known about them. The key point tho is that Slave Generators received this power from the Conduit THROUGH the Trinity Processor which is made clear from the Siren Model Kit. Because of this, the limitation of the Conduit not being present may not be an issue as both Alvis and Pythra are present in both worlds to supply said power. On top of that, Pneuma received all of the data from Klaus which "MAY" include details on the Conduit, Slave Generators and possibly even Conduit Emulators. On the point about Z, firstly keep in mind that Nia only has 15 TP which is pretty much based on IQ. Nia is not that smart of a person but can simply understand what others are telling her. Secondly, Origin was built in a rush. Once it was finished, there were only 300 days left until the intersection, less than a year. On top of that, we know that the merge happened on Melia's anniversary which admittedly could have been any length of time but also suggests around the area of 10 years (Her 10 year anniversary and her 100th birthday). They were building a device that is literally capable of creating universes on that sort of deadline so I don't think a lack of safety nets or the like is an issue either. Finally, Origin would have likely been recording the data of everyone multiple times a second meaning that emotion and feeling was constantly being uploaded into Origin. Even with everything they put in place, I don't know how much they could have prepared or anticipated that any of this would have happened As for the Klaus saga, it is more of thematical ending to the Trilogy. Klaus' story ended in XC2 when he died and passed on and XC3 aims to conclude the major thing that he did which was the experiment and splitting the worlds into two. A new player won't know much of anything about Klaus but they weren't supposed to. On its own, this game is fantastic as you learn that this world was once two split from that experiment and the ending does conclude that statement. Another thing to add tho is the Klaus Saga also includes the DLC stories so it will be then when things might make a bit more sense but which ever way I look at it, this game was important
@@JBspherefreak For the point of the Origin metal. Saying that "Origin Metal can not be a matireal that was or is effected by the Klaus Experiment" makes this fall apart since how can something exist as not being effected by the experiment when the world themselves are a result of that meaning everything in those universes was effect by it. To say that it was material not effect by it is to say that it exist just because. The Slave Generator point is still a no go. You pointed out that the the Trinity Processor is involved but fail to understand something. Just because the processor is part of it that doesn't discount the lack of the Conduit itself. If that was the case then why, as I brought up myself, did Rex lose his powers has the Master Driver as that power came from the Conduit by way of one of the Trinity Processor aka Pneuma? So how do they "supply power" when said power does not exist? Clearly other people had to be involved in the creation of Origin. I'm so much as saying why didn't Nia make this herself, but more along the lines of why didn't Nia get someone to work on something like that. Something like Origin would have taken a LONG time to make seeing the size of it in game, so for something that was a rush job someone could have easily made something to prevent Z from happening. To be a thematical I feel that the story has to make sense and so far little does in Xenoblade 3. As I've said before in another video the whole splitting the world thing in two never seems to be stated anywhere before this game. If this game was it's own without the XC1 and XC2 stuff it would have been better because there wouldn't be conflicting facts about them. Considering how in the past two games we learned about man and why he did what he did to set things in motion was really impactful to the story. So to say that we don't need to know anything about him feels like we might as well ignore the whole thing. In that the game comes off as so separated from the first 2 games makes it feel like what is the point of having that connection to those games. Heck it was the Klaus story that was the main thing that connected XC1 and XC2. So to have a game that is meant to bring these two worlds together as a RESULT of what Klaus did and not to bring it up in any significant way just feels cheep and boring. As for the DLC stories (which I think you count Future Connected as one too right? I'm just being clear on this cause I count it as one as well) those stories where made to expand the world. In Torna's case it filled in some questions but nothing that was really big in the long run. While we wait for XC3s DLC story the problem here would be that it would have to full a LOT of major plot elements that wasn't explained in the main game. Because were the DLC stories in XC1 and XC2 required to make those games complete? No. But with XC3 it really feels like DLC story will have to dig deep to explain these things.
No you don't understand what I'm trying to say, the worlds were divided at the point where Klaus pressed the button and two identical universes were created. From there, matter like the Bionis and Mechonis came into existence as well as the Titans which Klaus made in Alrest and this would be considered "New" matter and it did not exist at the time of the experiment. We know that the Artifices were made by the Trinity Processor which also means that some could have been created after the world went boom and its THIS matter that could be used. Again this is just Theoretical but it does work based on the Scientific Concept of Anti-Matter which Annihilation Events draw from The Conduit does still exist, its just not in either of these universes. The conduit wasn't destroyed at the end of two, it simply left and hence a Slave Generator. To be honest, I think a more accurate description may be to say that the Slave Generators draw power from Conduit Emulators which could have been built from the Data Klaus gifted Pneuma. As for the Rex bit, only the reality bending powers gifted from the Conduit are what were technically removed. Pneuma is speculated to be a similar state of being to Alvis (Who is stronger then the ordinary state of the Trinity Processor) and its simply this power that was lost as Pyra and Mythra do return as Aegis' at the end of XC2 I think this really comes down to semantics, perspective and currently a lack of information. I could agree that it doesn't make much sense if it took 50 years to build but would disagree if it took 5 and I again emphasise that not everything could have been prepared for and anticipated. We're clutching at straws over this point I disagree but again, I think this is a matter of opinion XC3's DLC will be different to the other games but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. XC3 has an issue of explaining these things simply in the first place so its understandable that the DLC might have a little bit to cover but all that info might be what is leading us up to the next game
@@JBspherefreak Alright the theory here is that for the two worlds had to be divided along the lines of a + and - to explain why they were being drawn towards each other. So matter from those worlds would have to be + and - to their respective world, aka a result of the experiment. You talk about "New" matter as if it just came into existence out of nowhere, but when it came to XC2 we are told of how Klaus rebuilt the world using the cloud sea to break down matter and using that to form new life like the Titans. For this idea to even work would imply that there are things that exist in the XC3 that would resist the Annihilation Events that we clearly see has been affected. Two of which being the Mechonis sword and the Urayain Titan. So if the idea for the metal in this case is that "new" matter can be used to create Origin that would not be affected by annihilation of the worlds colliding with each other then the sword and the titan should not have been affected by the Annihilation Event. The point about Rex's powers was that if he couldn't draw power from the Conduit anymore then the Slave Generators couldn't draw from it either. Yeah it isn't in that universe anymore but I doubt the generators could draw power from another universe. And with a lack of information how can anyone suggest that Emulators even came into being in the first place. Even if something that could emulate the Conduit's power existed, something like that would be too dangerous to even create. That also includes if such emulators couldn't emulate all of the Conduit's power. I would think that some things that to be considered regardless of time. This is for something to save their worlds and they gone with it because they thought it would be possible. So to have a system that will set things right is important, and having some kind of AI to manage Origin should be one of the top priorities. After all they already have supercomputers with advance AI that could manage something like that. I.E. Pyra and Myrtha. You disagree, I disagree with you, as you made that point quick I'll simply go with "agree to disagree" on that topic. As for the DLC. That is mostly my own worries as to what XC3 DLC could be. As I think they didn't handle the story well for the main game just makes me think they'll either not handle it well there or just add stuff that should have been in the main game. Different is one thing, but being required is another. Have you ever seen that meme about games in relation to burgers? The one where it's a "then and now" with the "then" section being a full burger being the game and fries and drink being a few extra stuff like DLC and stuff. With the "now" being the buns being the game and all the inside stuff being separate at their own prices. That at worst the DLC story will be required to get what should have been in the main game to start with. To say that DLC stuff could lead to the next game is interest, though doubtful as the Future Connected could have done that but the set up never went anywhere. (I've commented in regards to the black fog in the video about that subject as to why I feel that way about it) At this point it's really all speculation at this point as that DLC has yet to be leased and there isn't any info about what it is yet, like is it in the past like Torna or in the future like Future Connected?
For why Noah doesn't get frozen in time at 5:27, the way I interpret it is that it's what Noah sees while his consciousness is stored inside origin. That is to say, what he was experiencing was happening to everyone else.
The best comparison I can make is like a multiplayer game freezing while the server updates, but letting the players continue to play the game on the client side. Everyone sees everything but themselves get frozen in time because that was the last state the universe was perceived, and it resumes once the update is finished and the players are all able to reconnect.
It's not a perfect explanation, but it's the best I've been able to come up with
Interesting idea! I always enjoyed running round in COD seeing people in place (Was funny) but its an interesting idea. I do still think that it could have something to do with Noah being special but its a interesting theory for now 👍
i always just took it more symbolically. noah isn't actually special in the scene, we're just seeing it from his point of view and we see the fear he harbors that which creates moebius to freeze time. it's not actually happening physically or in any real time
Oh that makes more sense. Like, everyone themselves weren’t frozen but everything else was. Ergo, they just decided to focus on Noah’s perspective bc he’s the main guy, not bc he’s already super special in that moment
@@rhettmitchell that's close to what i'm saying! rather noah doesn't move at all like everyone else. we just seen a drawn out version of his emotions and feelings about seeing the worlds collide, they're just personified through him. if lanz was the main character instead, we would see the same thing just with him. and the reason why we don't see all of our party respond is because individually, they wouldn't be aware of each others feelings and wouldn't be able to communicate them since it all happens in an instant
this actually kind of helps explain aionios' story in general where it's less that everything is happening in a second and more that it all happens at the speed of light, like how origin operates to begin with. so the origin technology that allows for communication between the universes also allowed for a micro universe to exist in that one moment
The only thing though is that in the ending no one else seems to be weirded out like Noah so it seems to imply some people didn't freeze
tbh it was Melia's comment about everything that exists is reality is what firmly convinced me that Aionios is not a *physical* place, but a cognitive world inside the collective unconscious of Origin. everything that happens in the entire history of Aionios happens in the few seconds between Origin initializing and completing.
It's not unlike what we currently understand the "afterlife" to be. Time dilated down by your subconscious to near infinity (but not true infinity, see: annihilation events) before the moments of your death, filled and populated by the will of what you believe will happen to you.
Why does Origin look like a Gaming PC tho?
Gaming Death Star
I dont know any spherical gaming PCs but ok
It's the ultimate reality gaming PC.
@@_b_a_g_u_e_t_t_e_3191 It just has the RGB edgy look y’know?
It’s the Game Sphere from Drake & Josh
I would say the collective unconscious inside Origin is what spawns both the Origin Sword and Z, both reflecting opposing ideas, just like it reflects as the destruction of the universe and the Gnosis in Xenosaga
imo the collective unconscious created the whole world of aionios.
These videos are always nice. It still blows my mind that alot of this kind of info was explained in game.
Really great video! As for why Noah did freeze when Orgin initiated, while its never confirmed why its likely the same reason Noah and Mio are outliers to the orgin rebirth system. This was the reason Why Z took interest in N and M as they could be reborn after a homecoming. Hopefully we get an explanation on why they are special in the dlc story expansion.
I'd say that Noah is like Neo from Matrix,he's expected to be an anomaly to fix the Endless now.
X once said "they only use what we gave them" or something quite alike. I guess z wants what he sees as a perfect world and that involves something to avoid it turning into degeneration.
The same ambiguous thing for z allowing m for the homecoming rite. M says "z wants it too". I don't think she was only lying.
13:30 Wasn’t expecting that in this video lol.
So first off, absolutley wonderful video. In the span of 14 minutes you explained origin better than the actual game does.
Secondly, this made me wish even more that the last 2 chapters didn't feel as rushed as they were cause the story doesn't really discuss certain parts of its story nearly enough.
Man if only they had another 3 months to make the game hmmm
@@jstar3382 damn that’d be crazy lmao
This game gets better and better the further I playthrough, and the more I delve into the lore.
JB coming in clutch and filling in lore aspects before the DLC drops next year!
I saw a theory that was pretty sound. Basically the reason why it failed was because they were using parts of the Trinity Processor like computer parts. Pyra and Mythra creating the data, and Alvis storing and processing data. However, they didn't have the third component: Malos. Malos in this case, would be deleting any bad data (fear, doubt and therefore, Z and Moebius). The theory goes on by saying that Malos is kind of Lucky Seven/the sword of the End. Deleting the bad data and allowing the process to continue. And a key evidence: the Sword N used, even before becoming Moebius, is purple. Representative of Malos.
(I cannot remember if this is the video I saw. Apologies if it is. I will delete the comment if it is)
Well thought out video and very impressed with your editing! Well done!
I feel like you've hit it right on with many of the underlying tones of "what actually happened."
There are still many questions to ask, especially pre-origin, such as how was Nia elevated to Queen (perhaps because she would simply live the longest over everyone) or how they discovered the power of light, let alone the existence of the fact the world's were beginning to merge.
Really like the tie in to X's lifehold and the explanation you had for the manifestation of Moebius. I'm also keen to see how the DLC story will deliver on this game truly being the end of the Klaus saga.
They never went into too much detail about it in 2 but Nia was royalty I’m pretty sure
@@FakeFantum I think it was more that her father figure was more of a minor noble in Gormott, but her family all died anyway, so she would, at most, be a fallen noble. But she doesn’t care enough to rectify that situation in 2. Which makes it all the more confusing as to how she became Queen of the whole of Alrest before 3. I’m sure Pyra, Mythra, Rex, Zeke, or Mòrag would’ve done it as well, so I’m not sure why it had to be her. Mythra or Pyra especially would’ve been fine choices since they’re immortal
Rex means king. Therefore if Nia is her wife she is a queen.
7:02
i don't think this is both universes separating again, but instead the intersection moving towards completion.
moebius stopped the process basically in the middle of it, the worlds had not yet fully intersected and not everything was where it should be, i think the ending is basically the worlds moving towards their complete collision and the post credit scene being the aftermath of Origin working successfully
Idk, I think they definitely focused on the characters WAY more in this game, and gave focus to the lore and world building in like 4 cutscenes lol. Maybe the devs thought we didn’t need any more world or lore explanations since we’re just in the 1 and 2 worlds, so they just devoted everything to character writing
While I think that plays a bigger part in it I have to wonder if keeping the game newcomer friendly was another reason for the lack of explanations.
I take this over 283783 hours of exposition so everyone can understand everything
283872 would have been more reasonable
Maybe safe world merging is a natural process that will happen eventually. The universes were just 'moving' so quickly they crash into and annihilate each other. After they finish intersecting the force of the pull would be reduced as it changed direction. Each intersection slowing them down and giving them less distance and chance to accelerate until they're stationary and fully merged.
You know the shit is real when he even mentions X
Well done, can't wait for you Conduit video
It's gonna take some time as I intend to be extra thorough with that and the Monado video so it might not come out for a while but one day, it will be created
Ok but can Origin manifest my preorder...
it crashed mid transaction
I was never even able to make it past the first step 🥲
post offices: Behold the endless now
Just wanted to thank you for compiling all this in a far more digestible format than the game itself does, obviously it's missing some pieces of information that Future Redeemed gives us of course but this gave me far more appreciation for the story of 3. In fact it honestly might be my favourite of the trilogy now that all the pieces of the puzzle fit together in my mind.
In a theory, I have of my own is that time is not fully stopped in the endless now, it is ever so slowly merging, and that's what the annihilation effect is. It's the materials of both worlds coming into contact with another and annihilating it. Another theory I have is that the reason why Noah can see time as it's frozen is that, in a way, he is special from the memories we see from N we learned that in every lifetime he had he would always be fighting against Z and every time he would lose causing him to rebirth again and again until he gives in and once he gives in the world has to make another Noah and Mio since they are the only one's who in every lifetime have had to fight Moebius, so if they turn into Moebius the world has to birth them again to try and fight off the endless now. It's just a small little theory I have.
I absolutely love your Xenobalde content! I have a question: Many people tell me that Aionios is not "real", that it's like a VR or alt reality created by Mobius to maintain the endless now, is that right? I always understood that Aionios was in fact the somewhat merged worlds stuck right before the full calamity of merging. I think you explained it as such too? Is Aionios actually a world made of data and not an actual world per see?One of the examples I've seen to back this up is that the sword of mechonis shouldn't exist by this point. Personally, I thought it was just broken by now.
On a side note: 11:41 I am pretty sure Nia said "see you soon" when looking at the picture so they must be alive.
I appreciate the kind words 😊
As for your question, this topic is still left in debate. My understanding of Aionios is like you described in the way that everything that takes place is all in the real world, NOT a different reality. There is evidence to support that but there is also evidence on the contrary. Majority of people believe that the events of Xenoblade 3 do not matter as time was in a sense, rewinded back to when the worlds were first merging, thus making everything up to that point irrelevent. This is simply un true and is much easier to explain when taking the view that Aionios is still the real world.
As for what actually happened...well...it's hard to say. I could make the argument that the "Omni-Static Space" that origin created could TECHNICALLY be considered a seperate reality/dimension/e.t.c. BUT if it actually is is a bit above my pay grade at the moment. The main reason that people believe that this is an alterante reality is due to the one scene in the epilogue where you can see both planets in the sky as its suggested that THIS is the real world.
Overall, I still lean more on the side that Aionios is the real world after the worlds had started to merge and had been frozen in time but it is possible it is an alternate reality where only their consciousnesses reside (Although that brings up issues in itself). Once we know and understand the original function of Origin (Whether it was originally meant to merge both worlds back together safely OR somehow keep them seperate for good) we'll likely have a better answer but for now, this is the best explaination I can give
The design of Origin, for whatever reason, inspires me to write a crossover Sci-Fi related story in one of my composition books, where the main war-bringing source would be called, the Paradox Orb. It may not be soon, but that would be interesting for me to do. Plus, I would include myself as a neutral scientific gunner.
My theory is, that the universes don't merge immediatly, they rather swirl around or through each other multiple times like when galaxies start merching, until the pull is strong enough to finally fuse the worlds completely. Nia and Melia also stated at the end that they'll surely meet again, which would indicate that the universes will start colliding again.
It could be that mobius is like a blade the people subconscious could have awakened Mobuis and he would take on the form and powers of their beliefs and doubts and z may have had aegis level power as he can use the power of origen
Ohhhhhh that’d be something. Idk how they would explain something that crazy though
Side note, I would prefer both worlds collide with each other instead of being forced to participate in pointless forever wars.
Origin is power up by pyra, mythra and Alvis, that could explain why there blades are still around (for pyra and mythra at least)
Hey man new sub loved the video, was wondering if can you do a scale of how strong Shulk is. He's said to be multiversal+ and the universe is also said to be infinite somehow. Keep the grind
It's something I can look into but it might take a while...have quite the backlog of XC3 vids at the moment
@@JBspherefreak okay coool
"just have a little patience" 🤣
We don’t know patience
Just quickly dropping in to say - Great video! I loved your analysis.
However you REALLY gotta up the exposure and contast in that thumbnail. It'll take like 5 seconds in your editing software of choice - but i could barley see the word ORIGIN in that sick composition you made. Remember that thumbnails are called that because they're the size of your Thumb Nail! 👍 so you gotta make sure it's clear and eye catching.
Hope this helps! I love your stuff, and your thumbnails ! They just gotta be a bit brighter
Appreciate the feedback but I did try that for the text on this one already...I turned both way up to the point that it looked unatural and worse then how it is now...
Main issue is to much of the text is being covered up but there are so few images of Origin (Excluding ones with spoilers within) that actually look any good for a thumbnail so my options were limited from the start
The thing about Origin is neither Alrest or the world of the Bionis had anywhere near the technology to build something like Origin. Origin's technology surpasses the technology of Morytha which according to 2 would take hundreds of years to fully decipher and in 1 while they had Shulk, the most technologically advanced civilizations of the High Entia and the Mechons also wouldn't have been able to build Origin. Assuming Xenoblade 3 takes place roughly 20 years after Xenoblade 2, there's not enough of a gap for technology to advance that fast and I think that's pretty obvious with Ino who has less features than Poppi even after being fully restored.
So how would Origin be made? Basically it would have to require the help of the Trinity Processors at minimum and probably in some capacity also requires the Conduit or something similar to it. Pneuma maybe inherited Logos' authority at the end of 2 and maybe Alvis did exist somewhere in Bionis post 1, so both of them combined would create the full trinity processor.
Idk I hope the dlc explains it in more detail.
Actually incorrect! Alrest had the technology of Core Crystals which were initially created as a replacement for the human brain but were re-purposed by Klaus to become the Nuclei of new life...the blades. They can further be re-purposed however to simply be storage devices which is what Core Crystals do normally anyway and this is proven true due to the Core Crystals inside of Origin.
On the Xenoblade 1 side, the Machina have produced both Replica Monado's and Apocrypha Generators which are frankly the most OP things in the series. I said before that I need to make standalone videos explaining how these things actually work but they can EASILY perform every function that Origin can do normally...they are THAT over powered.
The issue I always came to however is what is the power source and what is supplying the Ether needed for the tech to work (Because normally Ether is supplied via either the Conduit or Alvis) which is what lead me to believe there is a Conduit Emulator or something similar inside of Origin, further proven through the Zohar's in the Concept art
@@JBspherefreak So while core crystals do have the ability to store data, aside from the Aegis the only people who could actually use that technology was Indol and Indol exploded at the end of 2 so I guess it would come down to how much of that technology was salvaged. And even with the height of Indol's technology which would be Amalthus himself, it was nowhere close to the technology needed for origin. It's one thing to store 500 years of data, it's another to store the data of the universe. Strictly speaking if you consider the read and write speed needed for that amount of data or maybe all that data was just handed to Pneuma at the end of 2 (ignoring the data would need to be updated), even if Amalthus or someone as knowledgeable as him was alive they wouldn't have been able to store a universe of data in that time. Or even if you just limited it to all of Alrest, you would also need time to store the data of all of Bionis and once again it took Amalthus 500 years to get to the level he did. Indol was the height of technology on Alrest and there is no way they would have the technology in time even if Indol didn't explode.
Even actual blades couldn't utilize Morythian technology from Adenine's sidequest, and she was someone who specialized in that research so even with blades helping something like Origin could only exist with the help of the trinity processors.
And for the Monado Replica, it's idk for something like Origin to work you needed it to store two universes worth of data and then be able to rematerialize it. The only one on Bionis that had anywhere near that level of power was Alvis. Though it is a bit weird how Alvis could do that and not the other two Aegis unless they were intentionally kept unaware of the Conduit while Alvis maintained that information somehow. And also if the trinity processors had that power I don't think Klaus would have done the experiment. Prior to the incident they were already sentient and created the artifices and even that wasn't enough to stop Earth from destroying itself in a civil war. If they could innately do something on the level of Origin, why wasn't it done back then? That makes me think that something else has to be in play.
The worlds annihilating each other is avoided by stopping time, but the annihilation was intended to happen in the original plan of the queens, so it doesn't make much sense for the time stop to be an intended feature of Origin as it is not compatible with the original plan.
You misunderstand, the time freeze function within Origin was supposed to create a safe space where both worlds could be created. It was as you say never intended to be used to freeze time of the worlds and prevent the Annihilation. It was Z or Moebius which used this function (Originally to make a safe enviroment) to freeze both worlds in place
Came back after futures redeemed….Alvis was powering it this whole time
So soon as time gets frozen the whole world and game starts but when the world Splits than time gets unfrozen.
I think I have an idea for how Origin is supposed to prevent annihilation when the recreated worlds meet again. You said one world had positive and one negative charge, right? So what if Origin was supposed to recreate both worlds as neutral matter?
That's exactly how it was supposed to work 👍
1:13 LMAO THE REGENARATE CIRCLE IN ORIGIN
I still love it how you can see them during the fight 😂
What does happen to people of the city after the separation of the both worlds?
Somehow, some way, they should still be able to be born back into this world. Possibly as a different person tho
@@JBspherefreak I really loved the game, I see it as a natural continuation from the first 2 XC, and I like the underlying philosophy about the Mobius in everyone of us. I feel the ending kind of weird through. Dividing back the two worlds feels like going back in time, it doesn't feel like "not fearing the future". And asking Mio and Noah to give up their love to each other felt quite like the opposite of Ouroboros (which i interpreted as the embodiement of love and selflessness over power).
@@JBspherefreak but at least the ending was quite unexpected and it's refreshing not to have a full hapoy ending
Just watch the cutscene in Nia’s ascension quest.
There is more to it then just that
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1. Your video doesn’t even reference what she says: “Origin was originally meant to reboot the 2 worlds once they collided, however Z prevented that.”
2. I’m not trying to argue. Just bringing up a huge point you seem to have missed.
3. *Than
wtf JB that end
I think the worlds were designed to stay separate on accounts of the queens order. Imagine you you’re world, which has just achieved a sense of peace a few years ago, is about to be destroyed. Keeping the worlds as they are, separate, was likely a more comforting idea for the queens. They risked disrupting their peace in fusing. They’re would have been two nations with different cultures. It would be like buying a new house with total strangers. You’d rather have the house for yourself and your family. However, I am under the impression the worlds will merge eventually. The ending of the game makes it so clear that the people have proved these two worlds can co-exist, can love one another.
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Origin is basically a representation of Noah's Ark. Preserving life from the old world going into the new world.
Origin really doesnt matter if everyone still only has their flame clock time left to live to begin with, right? Does everyone still die in ten years?
Watching this video retrospectively after Future Redeemed, I'm left with one burning question. What was Alpha waiting for? His goal as I understand it was to destroy the worlds and start new. And we see in Future Redeemed that there are Agnian and Kevesi soldiers at war, colonies, and flame clicks. This would indicate that Alpha is the one who actually started the Endless Now. But why? He had Origin and everything he needed. Why not just let the worlds collide and fulfill his goals?
Origin literally looks like Cybertron tbh XD
So your theory makes a lot of sense now , they used light to transfer the data , recreate the materials from said data , compressed them to enigmatter and refined them to origin metal.
Mashas DLC actually bringing relevant physics science infos with it is very useful to understand this. Her DLC shows that not everything gets annihilated in an annihilation event and some rest material gets compressed into one another creating Enigmatter. So Enigmatter is not Origin Metal , but it is still strong enough to withstand Annihilation Events.
I think we can look at it from this perspective : Enigmatter is the raw ore that you can refine into Origin Metal.
With all the brainwashing and over time most of the populace of Aionios simply forgot how to create and forge this material.
The knowledge on how to handle Enigmatter was probably passed down within the Cassini family , and a few Nopon Smiths.
So its just basic science , compression allows + and - materials to fuse instead of annihilating themselves.
This might sound insignificant , but having it established in the Lore might prove very relevant.
Slave Generators = Zohar Emulators ?
There is the possibility that Pyra and Mythra are absent because they have to power Origin from within.
Very much so. If Enigmatter, is the raw matireal of whatever Origin is made out of, then things start to make sense. The question then becomes how they managed to aquire so much to build it but we'll see
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Just gonna say it. If aionios is a pocket dimension then everything melia said was still correct it was still reality and it was still real if only for a second before the universes unfused again
Origin is not meant to reboot 2 universes. It was meant only to reboot both worlds. Nia explains this, the universes are drifting apart, the two earth's by sheer will are coming togather to collide.
You mean like, the two universes will collide, and then within the resulting single universe Origin reconstructs the two worlds seperately? Interesting idea
So everyone died.
Ok 2 questions: if everything in Origin is reality, then is time frozen in there? I know they speak of the endless now but is that LITERALLY how it is? No time passes for Melia and Nia but everyone in Origin still ages regularly? Unsure.
Second question, why is there so much doubt in people's minds about the end of the world? We must remember that every citizen of BOTH worlds experienced an end of the world event in their respective worlds that didn't end up actually ending it. And in fact, both worlds changed drastically due to the effects of beating the game. They have been constantly changing for the last couple decades or so, so why is change such an overhelming fear in people's minds? Wouldn't it be more like anxiety about living situations, how to make money in this new world, etc. Maybe I am looking at this all wrong but it seems a bit weird
1. I think theres a bit of confusion here because Xenoblade 3 (Or Aionios) didn't take place inside of Origin. Origin is literally just the tool that was used to create this world which is reality. The Endless now is actually a great wording as it is LITERALLY what it says on the tin. It is time frozen in one infinite point BUT only the world or the concept of the world is frozen meaning anybody and everyone still ages. Melia and Nia for instance likely didn't age after 1,000 years due to being attached to Origin or going into sleep stasis.
2. Your both right and wrong. Anxiety is exactly part of what created Moebius and it was this anxiety of the future which Corrupted Origin. That said, both people's would still be fearfull of what is happening to their worlds. Yes, they have both lived through world changing events but NEVER has this been through choice. Zanza and Malos both wanted to change their world through their own selfish whims whereas this time around, it was the people of both worlds that tried to get around this situation. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment and think about it. Even with what they've been through, would you not expect them to be scared and anxious of if they made the right descision, if this will work and if they'd be the same people on the other side.
I'd also guess judging from Melia and Nia's mannerism's at the end of XC3 that they were quite unsure about if Origin would even work in the first place. It's not like they have ever done something as extreme before and with the stakes so high, there would be no room for any mistakes
@@JBspherefreak So let's say that the worlds are indeed stuck in time. We see the moment in which they are stuck. Above Noah's head we see the other world looming overhead, frozen like everything else. How does Aionios exist if the two worlds don't physically collide yet?
@@RellekEarth So at the point when Noah can see the worlds like that, they aren't frozen. I explained in the video that I think this is due to something that the queens set up before hand to protect their peoples but the worlds do in fact collide and overlap
So basically origin was to safely merge both worlds into one without killing everything that exists in both worlds, but due to everyone's doubts on this plan this corrupted origins AI then created Mobius, and instead of safely merging the world's it then froze time creating a world where time doesn't move so people no longer had to worry because origin is OP. Due to Mobius being part concept part individual, they took advantage of Origins' ability at storing all of life's data, and used them as entertainment, and a means to sustain life for themselves. Is that about right? Anyway wouldn't a better end have been origin success in the merge? Because the world's are still separate won't they just end up colliding again? And self doubt just repeats itself unless origin learns to not record doubts? Love the game coming back after a long break just a refresher to play DLC. Sorry long wall of text.
You've picked up on most of it yea but theres a couple of points I'd like to clarify 👍
Number 1: Origin WAS meant to kill everyone or more specifically the world was. They came to the conclusion that the Annihilation of both of their worlds was inevitable and there would be no way to stop it so instead, they planned a way on how they could survive it even if only slighly. The idea was that when both worlds were completely destroyed and every living being was dead, Origin using the data inside would rebuild an exact replica of the moment before it happened. This is relatively confirmed by Melia at the start of Chapter 7 who says something along the lines of "Will we still be the same people we are".
Number 2: I know I said it was an AI in Origin in the video but this techinically isn't confirmed. This is what the Wiki says and what most people agree on but Z may not have been an AI. Our initial prediction for instance was that Z was performing some form of Gnosis shenanigans from Xenosaga so its not entirely clear right now. What we do know is that this repeated emotion DID end up corrupting something which then took over Origin similar to an AI.
Number 3: Time isn't technically frozen although it would appear that way. From the perspective of those within Aionios, time may look like its still but from outside, things are merely frozen in place. For time to actually be frozen, that would require that EVERYTHING be frozen including all the people, animals, machines and anything else within the world, never to move again. Origin basically froze everything non-organic in place to prevent the worlds from colliding but TECHNICALLY time is still flowing. Say for instance that the worlds froze in the year 1,000. In the main story in Xenoblade 3, they would be taking place in 2,000+ as time is still moving.
Number 4: Not wrong here but thought I'd clarify. Moebius IS people. If there were no people then Moebius could not exist as the concept or that feeling of Moebius would no longer exist. They made people their sustanence because they had no choice to do so as they needed fresh people to drain this feeling from to maintain their existence and in extension, the endless now.
Number 5: I agree but I believe the DLC will have more answers as to the ending. Takahashi made it clear that this was supposed to be the conclusion to the Klaus saga which basically means that the events he made occur by pressing that big red button will come to an end which to me requires the worlds to merge in the end. I believe we will get conclusive confirmation in the DLC as to exactly what occured here but it is hinted at that these worlds will end up merging once again in the future anyway (Probably not within anyones lifespans tho)
@JBspherefreak Oh thank you for your comment you're awesome. My knowledge of the story keeps growing sharper!
Why dont rpgs ever have toilets?
This comes off as guesswork that in ways still doesn't make sense. The explanation of Origin metal doesn't work because you are saying that the metal comes as a product of the two worlds coming together, when anything from the worlds coming together would no longer exist. So we are told that the worlds coming together would annihilate them both, except a few things that don't because reasons. Plus how could this material even exist for them to build Origin, if the metal is a result of what you said then for them to build Origin before the worlds collided should be impossible as for what is required to make Origin can't even exist.
Next point would be the power source for all this. You say it comes from the slave generators but from what is explained here again... makes no sense. The generators get their power from the Conduit which you said and as people who know the lore know, no longer exists. So by that alone says that the generators don't work because they can't get power from something that is no longer there. You say that it's still using the Conduits power but with no source to draw from it's impossible. Heck back in Xenoblade 2 Klaus explained to Rex that once the Conduit is gone that Rex wouldn't be able to use the Master Driver powers anymore since that too come from the Conduit. Say that the generators are like a hydroelectric dam, in order for the dam to work massive amounts of water is required and without it then the dam can't get any power. So in the case that the Conduit is like water you are expecting me to believe that a dam would still work without the every thing it draws its power from.
We get more of Z "explained" here in relation to Origin but still just comes off as a baddie who just appeared because game needed a bad guy. Z is some AI for Origin that got corrupted by the will of the people, okay how did that happen? Because for that to work would only make Melia and Nia look like total dumbasses, Nia even more so. They work together to make Origin and all which is well and good, but they didn't work on any safety nets incase something went wrong. After all the thing with Z is pretty much what happened with Malos only on a larger scale. Malos was corrupted by Amalthus and Z was corrupted by well everyone. With Nia who knows for a fact that this could happen, NEVER thought of making something so that Origin doesn't get corrupted by the negative emotions of the people within?
I've heard that Xenoblade 3 was meant to conclude the Klaus stuff too, but really this game never really felt like it did. After all, if you just consider what happened at the ends of Xenoblade 1 and 2 it seems to conclude that story just fine without needing another game for that. The need for another game for that just didn't feel right. When you think about how the Klaus story was handled here, it really came off as of little importance. You can say that what happens in 3 are a result of his actions but it still doesn't work. Say you have a new player who never played the games before, after everything in Xenoblade 3 can you tell me that those players will have any real understanding of Klaus or his character in just Xenoblade 3 alone? Even if people who work on the game say that it was meant to conclude that story unless some real importance is placed on it then it doesn't really work out that way.
Indeed, a lot of this is speculation but it is all grounded in facts and things that have been clearly shown through the series
I admit, the weakest part of this whole video is what Origin Metal is made out of. We went over this like 7 different times after realising that things couldn't work that way and this ultimately what we came up with. Firstly, I'd like to emphasise the point that Origin Metal can not be a matireal that was or is effected by the Klaus Experiment. With that in mind, the argument I gave "can" work due to how Annihilation Events occur. Annihilation Events (and Anti-Matter similarly) will only be caused if there are equal amounts of matter. In Xenoblade 3's scenario, that means that the matter has to be the EXACT same for an Annihilation Event to occur else the worlds wouldn't be able to overlap at all. It was this principle that we used to determine it might be theoretically possible to create Neutral matter from both universes. I don't dispute that Eunie says in the Epilogue "This paper won't last" suggesting that ANY matter would be removed but the facts about how Annihilation events work disagrees with said statement.
Keep in mind that Slave Generators don't work like traditional power sources and very little is actually known about them. The key point tho is that Slave Generators received this power from the Conduit THROUGH the Trinity Processor which is made clear from the Siren Model Kit. Because of this, the limitation of the Conduit not being present may not be an issue as both Alvis and Pythra are present in both worlds to supply said power. On top of that, Pneuma received all of the data from Klaus which "MAY" include details on the Conduit, Slave Generators and possibly even Conduit Emulators.
On the point about Z, firstly keep in mind that Nia only has 15 TP which is pretty much based on IQ. Nia is not that smart of a person but can simply understand what others are telling her. Secondly, Origin was built in a rush. Once it was finished, there were only 300 days left until the intersection, less than a year. On top of that, we know that the merge happened on Melia's anniversary which admittedly could have been any length of time but also suggests around the area of 10 years (Her 10 year anniversary and her 100th birthday). They were building a device that is literally capable of creating universes on that sort of deadline so I don't think a lack of safety nets or the like is an issue either. Finally, Origin would have likely been recording the data of everyone multiple times a second meaning that emotion and feeling was constantly being uploaded into Origin. Even with everything they put in place, I don't know how much they could have prepared or anticipated that any of this would have happened
As for the Klaus saga, it is more of thematical ending to the Trilogy. Klaus' story ended in XC2 when he died and passed on and XC3 aims to conclude the major thing that he did which was the experiment and splitting the worlds into two. A new player won't know much of anything about Klaus but they weren't supposed to. On its own, this game is fantastic as you learn that this world was once two split from that experiment and the ending does conclude that statement. Another thing to add tho is the Klaus Saga also includes the DLC stories so it will be then when things might make a bit more sense but which ever way I look at it, this game was important
@@JBspherefreak For the point of the Origin metal. Saying that "Origin Metal can not be a matireal that was or is effected by the Klaus Experiment" makes this fall apart since how can something exist as not being effected by the experiment when the world themselves are a result of that meaning everything in those universes was effect by it. To say that it was material not effect by it is to say that it exist just because.
The Slave Generator point is still a no go. You pointed out that the the Trinity Processor is involved but fail to understand something. Just because the processor is part of it that doesn't discount the lack of the Conduit itself. If that was the case then why, as I brought up myself, did Rex lose his powers has the Master Driver as that power came from the Conduit by way of one of the Trinity Processor aka Pneuma? So how do they "supply power" when said power does not exist?
Clearly other people had to be involved in the creation of Origin. I'm so much as saying why didn't Nia make this herself, but more along the lines of why didn't Nia get someone to work on something like that. Something like Origin would have taken a LONG time to make seeing the size of it in game, so for something that was a rush job someone could have easily made something to prevent Z from happening.
To be a thematical I feel that the story has to make sense and so far little does in Xenoblade 3. As I've said before in another video the whole splitting the world thing in two never seems to be stated anywhere before this game. If this game was it's own without the XC1 and XC2 stuff it would have been better because there wouldn't be conflicting facts about them. Considering how in the past two games we learned about man and why he did what he did to set things in motion was really impactful to the story. So to say that we don't need to know anything about him feels like we might as well ignore the whole thing. In that the game comes off as so separated from the first 2 games makes it feel like what is the point of having that connection to those games. Heck it was the Klaus story that was the main thing that connected XC1 and XC2. So to have a game that is meant to bring these two worlds together as a RESULT of what Klaus did and not to bring it up in any significant way just feels cheep and boring.
As for the DLC stories (which I think you count Future Connected as one too right? I'm just being clear on this cause I count it as one as well) those stories where made to expand the world. In Torna's case it filled in some questions but nothing that was really big in the long run. While we wait for XC3s DLC story the problem here would be that it would have to full a LOT of major plot elements that wasn't explained in the main game. Because were the DLC stories in XC1 and XC2 required to make those games complete? No. But with XC3 it really feels like DLC story will have to dig deep to explain these things.
No you don't understand what I'm trying to say, the worlds were divided at the point where Klaus pressed the button and two identical universes were created. From there, matter like the Bionis and Mechonis came into existence as well as the Titans which Klaus made in Alrest and this would be considered "New" matter and it did not exist at the time of the experiment. We know that the Artifices were made by the Trinity Processor which also means that some could have been created after the world went boom and its THIS matter that could be used. Again this is just Theoretical but it does work based on the Scientific Concept of Anti-Matter which Annihilation Events draw from
The Conduit does still exist, its just not in either of these universes. The conduit wasn't destroyed at the end of two, it simply left and hence a Slave Generator. To be honest, I think a more accurate description may be to say that the Slave Generators draw power from Conduit Emulators which could have been built from the Data Klaus gifted Pneuma. As for the Rex bit, only the reality bending powers gifted from the Conduit are what were technically removed. Pneuma is speculated to be a similar state of being to Alvis (Who is stronger then the ordinary state of the Trinity Processor) and its simply this power that was lost as Pyra and Mythra do return as Aegis' at the end of XC2
I think this really comes down to semantics, perspective and currently a lack of information. I could agree that it doesn't make much sense if it took 50 years to build but would disagree if it took 5 and I again emphasise that not everything could have been prepared for and anticipated. We're clutching at straws over this point
I disagree but again, I think this is a matter of opinion
XC3's DLC will be different to the other games but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. XC3 has an issue of explaining these things simply in the first place so its understandable that the DLC might have a little bit to cover but all that info might be what is leading us up to the next game
@@JBspherefreak Alright the theory here is that for the two worlds had to be divided along the lines of a + and - to explain why they were being drawn towards each other. So matter from those worlds would have to be + and - to their respective world, aka a result of the experiment. You talk about "New" matter as if it just came into existence out of nowhere, but when it came to XC2 we are told of how Klaus rebuilt the world using the cloud sea to break down matter and using that to form new life like the Titans. For this idea to even work would imply that there are things that exist in the XC3 that would resist the Annihilation Events that we clearly see has been affected. Two of which being the Mechonis sword and the Urayain Titan. So if the idea for the metal in this case is that "new" matter can be used to create Origin that would not be affected by annihilation of the worlds colliding with each other then the sword and the titan should not have been affected by the Annihilation Event.
The point about Rex's powers was that if he couldn't draw power from the Conduit anymore then the Slave Generators couldn't draw from it either. Yeah it isn't in that universe anymore but I doubt the generators could draw power from another universe. And with a lack of information how can anyone suggest that Emulators even came into being in the first place. Even if something that could emulate the Conduit's power existed, something like that would be too dangerous to even create. That also includes if such emulators couldn't emulate all of the Conduit's power.
I would think that some things that to be considered regardless of time. This is for something to save their worlds and they gone with it because they thought it would be possible. So to have a system that will set things right is important, and having some kind of AI to manage Origin should be one of the top priorities. After all they already have supercomputers with advance AI that could manage something like that. I.E. Pyra and Myrtha.
You disagree, I disagree with you, as you made that point quick I'll simply go with "agree to disagree" on that topic.
As for the DLC. That is mostly my own worries as to what XC3 DLC could be. As I think they didn't handle the story well for the main game just makes me think they'll either not handle it well there or just add stuff that should have been in the main game. Different is one thing, but being required is another. Have you ever seen that meme about games in relation to burgers? The one where it's a "then and now" with the "then" section being a full burger being the game and fries and drink being a few extra stuff like DLC and stuff. With the "now" being the buns being the game and all the inside stuff being separate at their own prices. That at worst the DLC story will be required to get what should have been in the main game to start with. To say that DLC stuff could lead to the next game is interest, though doubtful as the Future Connected could have done that but the set up never went anywhere. (I've commented in regards to the black fog in the video about that subject as to why I feel that way about it) At this point it's really all speculation at this point as that DLC has yet to be leased and there isn't any info about what it is yet, like is it in the past like Torna or in the future like Future Connected?
Great video terrible end joke buddy stick to info
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 😂
That joke was hella funny (if a little gross and disturbing)
Thanks for the fucking spoiler in the title.
You got any better suggestions for a title then that doesn't "spoil" the game then 😂 the word Origin without context also means nothing
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