Douglas Murray, Reflecting on the Strange Death of Europe
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- In Douglas Murray's bestseller, The Strange Death of Europe, he diagnoses a widespread cultural crisis in Europe, and describes a continent that has fundamentally lost faith in itself.
He is also part of the loose grouping of public intellectuals known as the 'Intellectual Dark Web'. In this interview he discusses the origin of the book and the response to it, particularly his disappointment that few reviewers were able to refute his central point.
Strange Death of Europe: www.amazon.co.uk/Strange-Deat...
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Both "Strange death of Europe" and The madness of crowds" are on my bookshelf, both having been read. Mr.Murray is a rare voice of reason and intellect in our current times.
The tragedy is that "reason" and "intellect" have in our current times been superceded by the supremacy of "feelings". I have been confronted with the argument that "reason is overrated". I wish I could say I was joking.
@@darioinfini Not just you.
And what good has talking done?
COWARDS
Ava Smith what’s your prescription then?
A liberal told me that 'facts'; are not necessarily true, talk about dismissing anything that doesn't fit ones world view
As Hitchens observed, we are being offered masochism by sadists.
how in hell did he think sadists operated outside the halls of cambridge?
@@whoknow2077 That the people asking us to make sacrifices to save the world from climate change and the 3rd world from poverty have no intention of sharing the burden. Sadists advocating masochism.
@John Jakobsen Aren't you glad we're not the problem and they are. Sure makes me feel better about my miserable life.
Who cares what a Jewish communist has to say about the destruction of the Germanic people by Jewish communists.
Talks with a refreshing level of common sense that we have all become gratefully accustomed.
I think he's completely wrong on a couple points. For instance, I don't think this has anything to do with "colonial guilt" and all to do with narcissism, as well as, of course, money and power. It's silly to think the fat cats pumping money into it are doing so out of "colonial guilt", there's something much more sinister behind it
@danbau08, there's no such thing as "white, colonial guilt" imo, nobody alive today feels any guilt for the past crimes of the defunct British empire...it's pure piety that stems from an abashed sense of white superiority which they may feel "guilty" about. But that's not what Douglas Murray means by "colonial guilt"
@@Archihuman The "colonial guilt" doesn't stem from self reflection but rather external criticism by non-whites
@@gonzly There's no such thing as "colonial guilt", there's only demand for cheap labour which is why migrants keep pouring in. "Colonial guilt" is just nonsense for public consumption. You see, everything's for sale under this system: they'll sell your nation, your culture, the future of your children and even your soul if it makes them a buck. And that's precisely what's been done to Europe
I could listen to Murray all day. Depressing but so spot on.
With JBP out of action at the moment it's great to see Douglas Murray (and others) get more attention. Good interview tx.
out of action?
@@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406 JBP's daughter gave a family update not so long ago in which she said that Tammy Peterson had been very sick in hospital and that JBP had been suffering with major depression and was being treated to get off anti-depressants.
@Big Bear Clips Please, support your claim with evidence.
@Nick Smith Sorry, bro, I don't waste my time with intellectually dishonest fools, dude.
If you make a claim, support it with evidence or fuck off.
@Nick Smith JBP's wife is dying!?
I love Douglas. Congrats for getting him on! Great work.
What good is talking?
COWARDS
@@avasmith235 “The mind is everything. What you think you become.” -Gautama Buddha
Thank you.
Get Douglas back to discuss his current book "The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race & Identity". That central thread of our culture losing the plot and turning to a narrative with very shaky foundations runs through it too.
Yes! I've been waiting for your debate with Mr. Murray for a while, thank You!
Thanks Douglas and Rebel Wisdom.
As far as the UK is concerned, It was also a deliberate political policy by the Blair government from late 2000, as reported in 2009 by Andrew Neather (New Labour insider).
The reasoning behind the shielded think tank policy - radical change is easier when strong cultural identity is weakened.
Blair was. and still, is a strong Europhile, and the European project is threatened most by the presence of a strong national cultural identity.
Blair wasnt around for Syria or Libya. Those countries got interfered with by 'the West' and therefore the migrants came to Europe as it is the bastion of freedom.
So Douglas' response to the excellent question, "If this is colonial guilt, then why is Sweden among the most guilty with far from the most colonial history." is that Sweden has German guilt that has been passed around Europe? Somehow I find this response less than satisfying. I honestly do not know the answer, and I'm sure it is multifaceted, but the angle of religion leaving a meaning-shaped hole in the hearts of the citizens, and with Sweden apparently leading on secularism, that would be my guess on the discrepancy. As David pointed-out, the _lack of the sacred_ may be much more powerful than guilt in the final analysis.
Swedes do have much to be guilty for when it comes to WW2 and Nazi Germany. While it may not be talked about much publicly, the ruling Swedish politicians at the time (Social democrats) were very much in support of the Nazis and the Nazis even looked to Sweden as an inspiration, mainly to our Institute of Racial Biology, which was the "best of the best" when it came to such matters and also because they regarded our society as "pure" in a racial sense. Hermann Göring who was basically second in command spent a lot of time in Sweden after WW1 as well as before and during WW2, building relations with Swedish businessmen, etc. Sweden supplied critical raw materials and components to the Germans which enabled them to build much of the mechanical divisions of the Wehrmacht. And since we proclaimed ourselves "neutral" and supplied both sides with materials, we got away easily after the war when it came to paying reparations.
This isn't a guilt that is widely recognized or talked about though as it is a stain on the image of Sweden as a moral superpower in the modern day.
@@Patraquashe I did know about a good bit of that, and still don't see it squaring with what UK did colonially or Germany or Japan did in WWII. By the guilt metric, I'd think those countries would be 10x more under the gun than Sweden. (this is not to mention Russia and China after WW2)
@@konberner170 I don't think it is so much the loss of life etc. that they find reprehensible. It's that they at a point in history held the same or similar beliefs as an ideology that is responsible for the death of tens of millions of people. They cannot reconsile their current beliefs with those they held less than 100 years ago.
Sweden provided Germany with much needed coal essential to the war effort, so precious that it certainly wasn't wasted on crematoria.
I'm not sure of why Swedes feel so much "politically correct" guilt (...if that is the case), but my sense is that part of it could be that (in our shallow and image obsessed world) they LOOK guilty (in a "woke" intersectional sense) - as they are the planets "uber-whites" (or at least that is the stereotype). When the world thinks of it's whitest, most comfortably well off society, inevitably it's the Swedes (and Scandinavians in general) that come to mind. The swedish are aware of this of course, in their own self effacing and collected way, and although I'm sure they take some kind of pride as to their (seemingly) privileged position in the worlds pecking order of "civilization", they are also likely to subscribe to feelings of guilt and unworthiness in the face of the currently fashionable intersectional ways of thought.
Wow just wow, amazing content
Douglas is well worth listening to - I can't click fast enough to hear him! Please interview Tom Holland, too about his book "Dominion" which can shed further light on the theme of Western civilisation.....
Watched video of him on Hoover Institute here on YT. Immediately ordered 6 of his books from amazon. He's another Jordan Peterson. I suspect our lords and masters have done much to keep him under wraps.
Not under wraps at all, I've been reading his writing for years. You just haven't paid attention.
Wow you have just found Douglas Murray you should check out the intelligence squared debate. Douglas Murray and Ayan Hersi Ali versus Magid Nawaz and a younger girl who was a bit out of depth because if her age but did well enough. On the motion "Is Islam a religion of peace" They all tell stories about that night as well. Magid and Sam Harris almost ended up in a fist fight . Magid met his wife y
I had heard of him but obviously wasn't paying enough attention to understand his caliber in the discussion.
He’s cool. Marvelous sense of humour
Yes, I loved his "myself, not so much" quip when referring to the International refusal to debate Ayaan Hirsi Ali, which MN seems to have taken on pretty much as a favour to DM.
I could have handled another 40mins of that. X x
Seems like the video is no longer available. Overly aggressive and misguided censorship perhaps or is it just a glitch?
@jrb designer alliance What rubbishy Twaddle!
I don't know how I got through it.
He starts out by mentioning the flood of immigrants into Europe while not commenting on the consequences of necessary wars caused by the US's and quest for resources!
@@Larkinchance you had better pick a side. Snowflake.
@@terrynicholas1982 typo..necessary.to..unnecessary..Terry, elaborate?
@@Larkinchance . You have picked your side. Good luck. Your going to need it.
David, your last 3 vids that were with James, Tim and Terry were exceptional and your input more so. Glad Douglas was afforded space for his presence. Valued words and wish I could purchase his books.
With the raising issues that are taking the priority on the leader board, I feel Jordan Hall has a correct assumption of a real world/virtual world solution. I feel that the key to it is (which has come up with RW before) it has to be done in real time. Great work Rebel wisdom! ! Content with meaning 😊
Doug Murray is a flat out MENSCH...Thanks Reb for putting him on!
The Disconnect is the death of the natural, loving relationship between men and women.
@Angelina God not god.
The answer is patriarchy. I promise you that everything will be fine with Western civilization if you return to a patriarchy.
This was such a great interview.
Douglas has been on the book circuit for a long time and looks sounds exhausted. He has certainly received a lot of attention which is great considering the importance of this work.
Douglas in top form here, his clarity of thought is astonishing.
And that has not solved the problem.
Cowards !
Brilliant...so much, very wholesome food for thought...How much *is* enough, indeed. Like the previous commentator wrote: could’ve handled a lot longer conversation. Thank you.
I would love to see a panel of Douglas Murray, Victor Davis Hanson, and Jordan Peterson discuss these hot topics
There are a couple of panel discussions of Murray, Peterson and Sam Harris discussing these topics posted on TH-cam. I'd rather see Hanson than Harris too, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
JBP won't discuss the destruction of western civilisation from within. He's particularly opposed to SWMs collectivising to do anything about it. Instead he wants to comfort them as they go quietly into the night.
Me too!
love to hear a still and clear mind...classical
Thank God for Douglas Murray bringing some perspective into the crisis of thinking in the Western World
Thanks
He's right, the culture is going bye bye.
The same was said in the 1800s when the church lost power, the 1930s when women started wearing pants, in the ‘40s with rock music and the ‘60s. The culture is ALWAYS going bye-bye. It always evolves.
douglas murray is a gem. real clean thinker. keep going bro
Nice of you to give him the more comfy chair.
Still love Douglas 💋. A brilliant writer.
One of the best books I have read for 2019
Great!
The opposite of 'progressive' is not necessarily just 'regressive'. There are plenty of people who consider themselves conservatives or traditionalists.
@Y T His point was that 'progressive' is meaningless because nobody calls himself 'regressive', and I think *that* is playing word games; because while it's true that 'regressives' don't exist, the actual worldview that opposes progressivism does exist. There are, in fact, people who think the clock should be turned back, although they may be a minority.
That might be right if conservatives actually conserved anything lol. Traditionalists might better suit what you're saying. The big difference is that progressives legally enforce their ideals while conservatives and traditionalists culturally suggest their ideals. That's why no one really submits to conservatism. Progressivism on the other hand seeks to submit all.
@@jestersage8700 "conservatives and traditionalists culturally suggest their ideals." Giordano Bruno may want to disagree with you.
@@VirideSoryuLangley I meant the American ones of today. Not too sure about the European tradcons. Many of us think culturally it should be embraced by wider society but we won't enforce it using the law. Unlike many progressives.
@@jestersage8700 The point I was trying to make is that whoever is in power, gets to dictate, through the use of force if necessary, their values. In the modern Western world, tradcons are the minority, so they can't do that. But look at countries where abortion and adultery are illegal, for example, and you'll see that tradcons and progressives are not much different in this regard.
Wow, just how shit is Tv compared to great podcasts! Real conversations. And we are threatened with jail unless we cough up the cash to fund our own propaganda from the BBC.
David Smith, don't buy a license, job done.
Mark Bowden ..Tv in front window right on the pavement, can’t be hidden at all, way too easy to be caught out unfortunately.
Brilliance
Love this guy
I do like Douglas but I wish he'd occupy somewhere more effective than just the book shops
Great interview with the always fabulous Douglas Murray. Especially good to see the 13th Duke of Wybourne employing his reputation for something other than getting in to a French maids finishing school. Bingo!
This, The Strange Death of Europe, is a real contender for the award of One of the absolutely Best book I've listened to. (Yes, I prefer audiobooks before reading myself, since I'm dyslectic).
Wise words, reflecting my own thoughts too. Humanity is on the highway to hell and NOT on the stairway to heaven.
Limited opportunities for hope in this conversation.
environment shape peoples behavior
Thoughts create our state of existence and the quality of our experience here on Earth.
Therefore, be responsible for everything you create by being responsible for everything that you think...
What a word wizard
"Excuse me, but I didn't do it"...
"How DARE you!..."
@@michaelarnold417 OK. It's ALL my fault. I admit it. I'm a white male Englishman. Happen to be gay and a liberal too... could I be any more despicable?
So much of what Doug is outlining here fits very well with some of John Vervaeke's ideas like Axial Age grammar, 2-worlds mythos, and agape, allowing the making of citizens out of non-citizens. I wonder what the 'Jam' between Doug and John would be like, probably awesome lol :)
Great book. Read it.
The disgruntled Musclehims in Kashmir have been killing Hindus since 1948 and have driven most of them out. The Welsh village will find itself in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Is this an older interview? Nothing is discussed or mentioned about The Madness of Crowds, only The Strange Death of Europe.
It's the same setting as their previous interview with him. I haven't watched enough yet to tell if it's the same actual footage.
Was thinking the same thing but Doug (in this interview) said the book only came out 18 months ago. Book release was 4th of May 2017, hence it must be a recent clip. Perhaps the next part of the interview has a discussion about Madness of Crowds and is yet to be released??? Madness is also an interesting book, read it yet?
So this interview was recorded a year ago.
I think the phone advertisement looks like a good buy .if I had any money I would buy one .
So amazing and frustrating. I wish the politicians in charge would deep think to a level that he does. Winston Churchill was one of them.
Robert Goldenbaum, Winston Churchill?
He was a tool of the elites.
Mostly, people often reject religion at face value, due to their own and others perspective of base perception. I've found that the truth of it isn't entirely based on the source, but rather it's application. When something said or written is both consistent and beneficial, it is derived from truth.
There *is* an overarching explanation of what we're doing. It's just illegal to say it.
Douglas Murray has such a brilliant and perceptive mind. His warnings about mass immigration into Europe and the consequences are there for all to see if they so choose to see it!
Douglas really is the thinking mans crumpet!
I ask so many of my friends in UK about this and they giggle it away. I think because it is so inherently scary they cannot handle to discuss it seriously. So they crack a joke and make light. But it's not light. It's ominous. I only visit at times so I clearly see the demographic change ..not multiculturalism...but religious attire and identity. Now EVERYWHERE I see groups of Muslims brandishing their Muslim identity and they move in groups. Never ever less than 5-6 atleast. And they are staking their claim on the territory. Areas are dirtier...littered and there is uneasiness you can simply sense ....but most people just don't know how to call it out. The fear of Political correctness is real...imposed by police literally and you can lose your job, time, and life even if you step up alone to this menace. What has happened that people have been convinced they are different from each other, and their values are not worth anything and value is in accepting the change being introduced. This is literally like what preceded WW2 in many ways...brace up. Things won't merely be changing for ever...they already have changed forever. Europe..even UK has changed for ever. Now either Islamism will simply take over quietly or there will be a bloody civil war...but I feel it will be a lost war. The ground HAS BEEN LOST. And sorry to say I think it is because amongst the whites..the family system is overwhelmingly broken up. They have no core. No religion...no family....no purpose. Too many are at a loss. I saw that most white kids were left to roam the streets without anything to do or a peaceful home to go to. The adults sit in pubs or at their homes drunk or drugged. They feel life is meaningless.
Good old Gareth southgate has many strings to his bow
I think guild is not a religious construct, but an inherrent function like fear or other kinds of pain and, evolutionarily speaking, most likely somehow useful (i suspect it might somehow be useful in terms of personality transformation. You make a mistake, feel bad about the outcome but most of the times one feels worst about the mistake that oneself did make, that brought one in this position. The failure and consequence brings about negative emotion, which gets then also associated with the parts of yourself, that lead to the failure. This toxic emotion might lead to the destruction of those "parts" of the personality / those neuronetworks that brought the failure about. But this can only occur, when you have the possibilty / a way in which you could change for the better - i come to that gain later)
Maybe the churches or religions role was to constraint this emotion and use it in a way for reorientation, so that when you go and confess your deepest flaws in "the face of god", represented in the highest virtues that you hold, you experience the guild in shame excessively in the moment you confess. One does that in the house of god and the place where jesus is preached, in the presence of the ideal so to speak (and you also speak with a real person, in form of the priest). All that makes one seem and feel even worse because one of course is intimidated by the grandiour of the beautiful church and by the ideal person in form of Christ. But it also suggests that there is something to change for, that there is something beautiful and good, that it is worthy to change oneself for. Those intimations of goodness and holyness, are what can stand against the guild and encourage one to speak out and confess.
So this act, to go to the chruch (the place that should originally remind one of the beauty that there can be in the world and of the greatness and meaning, that can be achieved in being a good person), to aknowledge honestly ones own flaws and mistakes is actually the way to move ahead and leave the guild along with the bad rotten parts of the personality behind.
Otherwise it would not even work. People say, that you could just do some bad things, go to church and get them somehow redone, but i think that this way of thinking is just studiply modern. I mean if one is not a psychopath, one feels guild for doing bad thing. When one feels so bad about his or her state of being and about ones flaws, to go to the church and to manipulate the priest consciously, would not make the guild anything but worse.
What do you think about that? An interesting concept or just a pathetic overinterpretation (i have never even confessed in church myself, i am just thinking so it could be that i am just being stupid and to optimistic about the church...)?
Did he mention the banking crisis and austerity? If so I may read it.
When I look at the rise of street gangs in Europe's cities, slums, mosques, acid attacks and over crowding I can't help but think this books title is very scary in its honesty.
Interesting reference to Sweden. I know this was filmed in 2018, but right now in November 2019 there have been 100+ explosions in Sweden - this year. Even the BBC reported on it.
Yes in my town Malmö. SCARY
@@666nenni Stay safe.
@@stsr11 thank you!Every day there is a bomb just hundreds of meters from my house.The other day just 50m from here.
Boy, those Swedes are a feisty bunch, aren’t they.
I’ve never thought of the World Wars as two massive BUTS.
There is none so blind as them that can’t see
richard mayger :
They can / could, but they won't.
First I did not like your concept to watch an old video. But then I realized that is the concept I am always asking newspapers. To make money, start behind a paywall. But open all after a few months to the public.
"You should never use a term the opposite of which would only be used by a madman." So what term should be used to designate the opposition to conservatism?
An empire built on conquest dies by the same sword.
🌼Not always. The Arab Muslim countries which took over North Africa, are still there and doing fine.🌼
Sadly brilliant.
'Progressive' is so self-congratulatory, that it could have come from Australia.
Two men talking on the deck of an ocean liner an hour after taking an iceberg broadside.
I came, I saw, I clicked.
You know times are tough when the people that make the most sense are the English bourgeoisie.
His careful choice of words keep you captivated, I wonder how much of thus deep seated guilt is underpinned by the guilt of being alive without any religion to hold you together, or perhaps the inherent guilt of Catholiscism, perhaps even the two coming together underpin this death by a thousand cuts of Europe?
I don't think Murray was raised Catholic, Anglican Protestant Church of England.. What he is writing was talked about by the likes of Hilaire Belloc in the 1930's, Europe's secularization, which in the higher levels of Government and Academe was in full flight in the early 20th century will face and old foe that has not nor wants to fit into the modern world, Islam. So radical Secularization who hate the culture that was passed on to them from their ancestors and mass immigration from parts of the world that will likely never assimilate.
Oh, how deliciously Murray punctures the pretentions of the progessives. He is just too clever and sophisticated for the stolid acolytes. ... Make 'em squirm, Douglas.
Nothing strange about it at all. Europe's been dying, since World War I. You just don't get it.
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Lord Byron of today, even physiognomically let alone presaging-wise
Not many intelligent gay men in the media these days. Mr. Murray is one of the best.
The interviewer is not named - who is he?
Lionel Messi
@@RebelWisdom Thank you.
At the same time as we removed doctrinaire religion from the West, we imported it from the ME.
The problem is when we haven't made it clear that doctrinaire religion belongs in the home or temple and has no place in public.
There is a great difference between contemporary Europeans and critics of Europe living in North America, even when the latter group are descended from Europeans. While many of the latter group came from wholesome cultures in the first place, some did not (e.g. Puritans - I will not lie) and their descendants comprise an unwholesome element which I have not observed in Europe. The fact is that Europe has greatly improved since the ancestors of that element left its shores, but in North America that element remains as it was in the past. People who disparage European history do not take this into account, and in my experience they belong to or are influenced by the unwholesome element I just mentioned, who blame contemporary Europeans for the crimes of their own kind, crimes of which they themselves are still guilty and of which contemporary Europeans quite clearly are not. It is sadly ironic that populations who have become wholesome are under attack by those who are still vicious (as well as by those who parrot them in ignorance) and that the wholesome populations are blamed for presumed behaviours that I do not see from them but definitely see from the critics.
But it is even worse than this. Europe improved largely because it became influenced by its First Nations, whose ancient cultures are now under attack by genocidal populations descended from criminals who fled Europe to avoid healing. Those genocidal populations are still trying to destroy the ancient cultures, and they have fooled people who do not know real history into believing the fallacy that modern day Europeans are somehow vicious when it is the critics themselves who are vicious. If you are European, consider yourselves well rid of these criminals, do not fall for their lies and protect yourselves from their latest attack. It is an attempt at cultural genocide, the latest of many that they tried over centuries in Europe. Know that they will disguise it as its very antithesis, presenting evil as virtue, because that is one of their most successful tricks. Just don't fall for it. You do not need to be outnumbered and overwhelmed by immigrants to become virtuous - you have already become virtuous, and other parts of the world have more land to accommodate refugees. I sympathize with refugees, but Europe is a small region and therefore is not the place for them. You should be confident in saying so, knowing that you are upholding a precious heritage.
This intelligent and well-spoken fellow would be burned on the stake for blasphemy against the political correctness in Sweden.
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The insights from Douglas Murray upset those that cannot acknowledge there is another way of looking at things! blinkered, naive and so indoctrinated, should scare us all.
I feel frightened that Europe does not want the New Testament and may get the Quran. There will not be a void unfilled and it will be painful, indeed!
Douglas, there is hope for an exit of this mess; guess what, you have a reflection of your ideas outside Europe, as an individual who is north African and a temporary migrant (for work in France), I am fully aware of the fact 'that migrants do not think like Europeans and at this level of diversity, it is awful for locals, and that Europeans do not have another place to be' I think the exit is nationalism which seems to be frightening to 90% of the globe now; Practically, I think a first political step is to: not let migrants think they have full right to talk about your problems, (Japan, Italy are good examples/ Algeria is a good example in third world), I cannot imagine someone talking about my politics inside my house, at the same hand, It would take me 3 generations as a migrant in your land to be able to talk about your politics. The day everyone recognize his culture and ascendants, we respected each others, like two strong men on top of two tribes, looking far away from each other, we do not really want this level of cultural subversion. Sending my love to the English and European people, and remember, you have a reflection of your ideas outside Europe, people who chose to cultivate themselves, and have enormous admiration of your history/culture.
I want to clarify why Algeria is dealing with this issue for dozens of years now, we did not accept a eastern version of Islam / culture, where economic evolution and openness to the world were very limited and still very low, we maintain the nerve for a better free decision making. At the 90s, the world thought the problems in Algeria were our own problems and not imported (even naturally somehow through a passive social obligation which was a flow of Arabization / Islamization ); We dealt alone with that shit, now we are free from both: Arabization / Islamization.. We do not have a problem of migration, as we do not necessarily offer a better life for individuals as the case of Europe
Just read, Strange Death..... about to finish The Madness of Crowds. Douglas writes compellingly on these subjects and I agree with his analysis but feel that after the diagnosis, he fails to offer the solution, which is to return to our Christian heritage. >
That's right me brothers, just govereet and itty it all away. What have you done?
Both of the Hitchens brothers were and are rightish. The 95%of the black, white, brown, pink, orange and turquoise folk that have settled in blightey and made it their home, only want the new arrivals to be calm, and not be cunts. If the powers that be insist we all act cunty with each other then there will be a problem. The majority of the islands residents can all live like brothers and sisters, religion or not! Peace, love and unity! Forever and ever!
Sweden no longer Sweden
they did that to themselves tho.
It is late to add a commentary, but I think Murray is wrong to suggest that people these days are not interested in truth. I believe he should be clear and separate scientific research (of every description) from the fuzzy social sciences which effectively include politics and religion. How can there be any absolute truth when the latter are largely governed by faith and personal opinion. "Lies, darned lies and statistics!" Another quibble of mine - since I happen to agree with almost everything DM posits - is the sweeping under the carpet of some quite unnecessary actions taken by British High Command during World War II. Bomber Harris' obliteration of Dresden comes to mind, when the war was practically won and it had little strategic value. I sense an element of revenge, despite Hitler spareing Oxford and Cambridge!
The isolation of Europe created by their prosperity made them insulated from the natural state of being, the concept of strudge, that there was a real chance they could have lost the game of empites. This guilt is born from a sense of supperiority of the European people, that their victory was a foregone conclusion, they pity the rest of the world and their will-to-power manifest in the desire to being Socrates diving back into the cave to free those chained there.
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Imagine if the answer to the world wide immigration crisis from the developing countries to the developed countries would be for the developing countries to go on with voluntarily embracing the western values of property rights (especially for poor communities in poor countries), rule by law, presumption of innocence under criminal law, liberty, and freedom of speech and thought!! Rather than redistributing wealth,... why not embrace the universal creation of new wealth for all, and especially for those who have the least. It's not like the West has ever tried to patent these ideas for themselves alone. Imagine the entire world being as prosperous as the economically and politically free countries of the world?
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Its NOT ABOUT GUILT!
It's about actively reparing the damage done.
Being a good stewart of the assets and servicing the liabilities of your inheritance!
White guilt is a red herring.
The only problem I got with this bestseller is the title mostly, Europe is hardly a unified continent, sure we've got the European Union, but it hardly counts, each country is different and every governement does it's own thing. European countries are all handling the migrant crisis differently. I see too many americans talk about Europe as if it's a single country, they don't seem to get that language & regional barrier creature extremely varied cultures all over the continent. Another thing I see a lot of Americans do is take the UK as if it represented the entire content, when it really doesn, I think Murray makes a similar mistake, considering he's from there I guess. I mean you cross the channel, you take the Netherlands, France or Spain, every single one of those countries is completely different from the UK, which ironically also has a few different sub cultures. Even when you speak the same language, that doesn't mean at all that you'll have the same culture, Belgium has 3 official languages, but most of the country is devided into french speaking or dutch speaking people, this results in huge cultural difference, to the point where you almost might consider these 2 parts different countries.
@@perrywidhalm114 goddamn dumbass, I said no such thing, that's not what I said at all, talk about being a special kind of fool.
So I've asked myself the past years what could be a 'long term objective' in flooding Western countries with massive amounts of refugees/'migrants'... and let's be frank or candid about it: it's not a random or coincidental occurrence. I honestly believe that the 'absolutely richest of the richest' have a long term goal of a fully global single international state (world government) that overseas an ocean of consumers... the vast majority having no religious or national affiliation in terms of a community or 'tribe'. I do not fear refugees or those seeking a home to escape obliterated cities... it is the flooding of various Western countries rather with vast numbers of refugee families that puts severe stresses upon existing tax-based revenues and resources. Those revenues and resources have limits that must be identified.
Flooding the Western countries with refugees within a relatively short period of time will achieve multiple objectives... two of them being that (first) they will eventually bankrupt those state governments due to a severe and forthcoming economic recession combined with costly social programs suddenly having nowhere near the money that formerly existed... (second) refugees enjoy having 'lots of babies/children' compared to native Westerners who aren't even producing enough children to replace those natively alive within the respective Western nations. Some have referred to this as a 'birth dearth'. Within a generation or two former refugees will establish enormous voting blocks within each of those nation states. This is not something that can be casually glanced at.
You are right I think. But there is still a missing piece. Those who have made this calculation it seems to me have miscalculated, just as much as the naive virtue signalers, on the nature of the narrative that drives Islamic societies, and how far it is willing to go to achieve cultural dominance. Either they have another ace up their sleeve, or they don't think it matters or they have a serious blind spot. I cannot tell which.
In reality I just don't see how this would achieve their goals.
If you remember George Bush Sr's New World Order speech, I think that what he was talking about was the globalist idea that in a world with one super-power, that power could be used to stomp across that world for awhile, kick down doors and such. Then with the help of a global scale threat (read global warming, now climate change) the biggest players could be herded into a global political arrangement that could be used to eventually build the one world government.
Barack Obama was to be the one, which he was in some measure, to relinquish America's sovereignty, and submit to this world order. However, the global warming agenda got delayed by scandal and had to be re-packaged as climate change. So the timeline got compressed and that is why lately we have seen a sudden uptick in hysterical apocalyptic prophecies of imminent doom.
Several national movements emerged as well, and Vladimir Putin arose and thwarted the attempts to smother mother Russia in her sick-bed. She is now strong again and getting stronger.
Part of the project was the death of Europe as we have known it. And Europe, godless and rootless has cooperated magnificently. She didn't need much urging.
While Putin was a thorn in the side of the project, what was unexpected was Brexit and Trump. So now a part of the agenda set in motion is still playing out, yet other parts are not cooperating. The window of opportunity is now all but closed for global governance yet we sit and watch as Europe careens down the slope of self-destruction, with only a few nations trying to step out of her way.
How dare you? Europe is dying, let her go graceful!
What's European civilisation ever done for us?
The Danes are doing an about face vis-a-vis lsIam.
indian phylosphy talks of the ashwata tree. This tree puts out more and more branches and leaves of maya or illusion until the tree reaches its fullness and the boughs become so heavy that they bend back down upon themselves and the tree of illusion dies .. for it is not the reality. The tree to observe is the tree of life which illustrates the spiritual evoluion of mankind .. and the spiritual 'destination'. I see the ' death of Europe' in the former context and would agree with Murrah that ' Europe ' has lost its spiritual roots, its moral code. The measure of fineness and refinedness cannot be sustained without the 'hand' of the spiritual component .. civilizations come and go .. rise and fall .. Inevitably humans fall prey to the 6 enemies of man - greed, attachment, lust, sloth, anger, jealousy, hatred. As we as individuals and communities attain a measure of self mastery over these lower manifistations of human nature, so will new trunk and bough -new and higher civilizations be born .. so will the branches grow and so will they one day too bend back upon themselves as material overshadows spirit once again .. such is the human condition .. .Europe is a maya .. there is no other ..
DO SOMETHING -- Don't just talk about it.
cant do anything, cant even say anything, Id get fired.
Low fertility rates. People arnt as important as profit. Dont feel bad though. Its world wide. Especially in the US. The US is already gone.
With regard to the recent killings by a jihadi terrorist , recently released from jail on London bridge I'm sure Douglas will comment on the 'elephant ' in the room', which the media rarely mention.