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I would HIGHLY recommend trying out Anna-Byleth, as Thrysus gives all her magic attacks +2 range AND her high-luck kit going great with Byleth's own Luck buffs like Luck+12, Divine Pulse, and Lost&Found. Not only are you able to kill enemies from 4-5 range with normal fire/thunder/wind magic, you're able to farm money while doing so WAY more effectively b/c of Byleth's Luck Skills. I constantly have Seadall dancing her in my run and let me tell you, war-profiteering has never looked so viable!
That sounds like an incredible build!!
Yeah i felt anna-byleth is the best combo, i give camila to my jean lol
Oh my god, I had the same build idea.
Don’t forget Sommie, the true MVP
I actually really like giving Kagetsu canter if you're going to keep him as a swordmaster. Between canter and run through, it's really easy to set up so that your halberdier (if you have one, and Goldmary makes for a GREAT halberdier) can benefit from pincer attack. Not having Vantage DOES hurt though. You definitely need avoid +30.
Lapis joins maybe 4 chapters earlier. In those 4 chapters, she has to make up 9 HP, 6 str, 3 mag, 10 dex, 8 spd, 7 def, 4 res, 10 luk, and 4 bld to catch up to Kagetsu. Furthermore. She requires a master seal early, which will put her at the same level as Kagetsu immediately with lower stats.
Now, we can say she has 5% higher speed growth, so she will eventually surpass him, but that's 1 extra speed every 20 levels and she starts at an 8 point deficit.
Furthermore, her HP, str, dex, def, Luk, and bld will never catch up.he beats her in all these categories.
You get kagetsu at chapter 10. You get her at chapter 5. That’s a big difference when it comes to leveling up. Most chapters you can get at least 1 level if not 2 for your top 5 best characters. Plus you also have the option for skirmishes as well to get some extra XP.
@Unpunk look at the numbers I listed. In 6 chapters, Lapis is not making up 10 dex. She's not making up 8 speed or 6 str unless you're really grinding. 10 levels on Lapis are not making up those numbers. And the more you grind her, the higher her internal level becomes, so Kagetsu still ends up being ahead AND becomes easier to level up.
If you are grinding, opportunity cost is still there. If you just wait to grind until you unlock Kagetsu, you end up saving resources and time for a better unit.
Objectively, Kagetsu is a better unit. Any effort put into Lapis ends up better on Kagetsu. You are free to like Lapis, she's one of my favorite characters, but she's strong because I specifically chose ti ignore Kagetsu.
Well I should have swapped them I think on the list reviewing this more carefully. I didn’t realize this when I started using lapis and didn’t have kagetsu on my team. My next playthrough will be a bit different for sure but hard to make a 100% perfect maddening list when I haven’t been able to beat the game with all possible units being leveled up in a playthrough.
Hard agree, her being #1 is a joke lol. All the xp and Master seal you put into Lapis is wasted when receiving Kagetsu, which has better stats and is a pre-promote. Imo, Lapis doesn't even belong on this list because you don't need three sword users since you have Alear. Especially since Diamant is a hybrid Sword/Axe user already too.
@@Unpunk you actually get Lapis in chapter 7, along with Alcryst and Citrinne, and Kagetsu in chapter 11
I honestly wasn't expecting Lapis at one, I benched her after she couldn't keep up with Kagetsu in my hard playthrough along with Goldmary and Rosado. I'll deff have to give these builds a try on my maddening run since they look so interesting.
Great informative vid! One thing I want to note for other players planning to try Maddening is that opportunity cost is important to remember with the emblems as SP is very limited in Maddening (or at least it was before they dropped the dozens of SP items). Lyn on Kagetsu is a very solid choice for max dodge tankiness, but honestly Ivy (I was shocked she wasn't on the list at all) is a top-tier Maddening unit whose only real offensive shortcoming is her abysmal speed stat, which can be remedied by Lyn's Speedtaker skill, making her an absolute MONSTER. Since you probably won't have the SP just lying around to inherit it to her, I feel like popping Lyn onto Ivy is a more cost effective solution with better returns, as Kagetsu doesn't really need the extra speed to excel. I feel like Lucina (if your MC isn't using her) or Azure Twins would be a better option for hella chain attacks or DPS.
My one concern with the list was that you recommended Camilla for Anna's Emblem pairing, which is a solid pick, but I worry about the difficulty of the map for getting access to her. Granted, I had just beat Maddening when they dropped her map, so I was fighting endgame level fliers every turn on her map with only really Alcryst, and it was a rough time. I don't know what chapter 7-8 DLC Emblem maps look like in Maddening asides from Tiki's, but I would honestly recommend the S rank Olwen Bond Ring if you cannot get access to Camilla, as the Dire Thunder skill bailed me out SO many times in Maddening, it was ridiculous. It has insane DPS for a 1-3 range poke tome that allows most mages to shred through boss healthbars with almost no retaliation. I had Citrinne as my DT mage in my playthrough, but I'm sure that Anna would do even better with it given the growths you highlighted in the video. The biggest drawback to this is that you will probably have to scum-reset for optimal bond ring creation before chapter 10, otherwise you won't have access to it until chapter 17.
Would you recommend these units on normal difficulty cause on my first playthrough lapis had horrible growth rates until I changed to the paladin class where she was able to survive more
Practically any unit can be super good on normal difficulty, so just do whatever
Great and insightful video
I ended up making my Lapis a Martial Master kinda for the memes, but in reality she kinda wrecks everyone because she can reliably quad just about everyone she fights
Kagetsu as a Bow Knight with the Claude Ring is insane.
I haven't used her yet but I keep hearing Chloe is potentially the best character in maddening. I'm def going to try her when I attempt maddening.
When I do my next run I’ll be using a different set of units to try out
She has the highest speed growth in the game. Like most Fire Emblem games, speed is king so she effectively never gets doubled if optimized properly. I kinda messed up by putting her on wyvern but Griffin is better for speed and her magic growths are actually better than her attack making her really good flame lance user
I am not sure why ppl say chloe is top tier (best character) i found her is only so so unit even on normal mode, jean and anna is way better imo
@@happyduke99 she has high speed growth which is super important in maddening where you can get 1 rounded. She also has weirdly high hp growth making her somewhat bulky even though her defense is week. Also she snowball very easily and has easy access to flying units. Her only real weakness which is hitting hard can be ignored if she has a good weapon equipped.
@@TheMike5125 oh thanks you, I found her kinda squishy even after turning her into Wyvern Knight.... And she didn't hit hard even at normal that is why
lapis is the best dodge tank in maddening? have you not tried Corrin!Yunaka yet? dragon vein gives on demand terrain (it does stack with natural map terrain), covert doubles those bonuses, yunaka gets bonus crit when on terrain, daggers have poison and massive forge bonuses. additionally corrin's 'pair up' skill will protect her from backup chain attacks. you can also use the dragon vein fog to create chokepoints and set up kill boxes for the rest of your team.
I think its funny how highly you rate Lapis when at the end of the day she is just a weaker Kagetsu base stat wise and growth wise. Also Griffon Knight is just a much better sword master. Very similar growths but for some reason the Griffon Knight has much higher base stats than sword master and you get the added utility of staves as well as flying.
Staffs don’t do all that much with a low magic stat though unless I’m missing something
@@Unpunk I think the staff utility still outweighs swordmaster class. Swordmaster/berserker don't get added crit in this game, so makes the classes a lot weaker in this game!
I think Kagetsu is the one unit who could stay in SM with his growths, otherwise I don't really recommend the class otherwise
You don’t need high magic to use staves to be fair. At C rank alone you can use restore, rewarp, and obstruct which don’t have anything to do with your magic stat. Nice utility options to have around. And you can still use heal/mend if you still need healing. You don’t need to top off people for healing. You just need to heal enough.
Yea you made me look at the stats and Griffin really dunks on swordmaster in literally every way. Not even close
@@Unpunk Specifically the utility staves like obstruct and warp etc dont require any magic. So overall its just a superior class. Also if you want a strong sword master backup unit hero is also better in this game. It has slightly lower dex and spd and res but it gets better hp and str as well as a much more powerful class skill. Also access to another weapon type. Warrior is also an amazing backup class with very good stat spread with access to a very strong class skill and bows which can be very strong. Unfortunately as many people have pointed out sword masters are just so weak in this game compared to other class options. Its really sad because they have been my all time favorite class in fire emblem but if your trying to min max just don use them. I still use them on hard because they are fun but I know I am slightly nerfing my character in the long run and will go with one of the stronger classes in maddening.
Lapis hurts. She has objectively lower bases and growths (that matter) when compared to Kagetsu.
Kagetsu also has the second highest base speed in the game with 70% growth, but you get him around 10 chapters earlier than the highest base speed character.
You are right! When I was making the video I defiantly didn’t rank those two correct. Should have been switched places in my opinion
Lapis wtf wouldn’t have guessed rlly , I’ll have to try her out.
She's good but I think this is somewhat a bias pick from Unpunk even though I love her myself. The AI is too smart to avoid her because they ignore low hit rate. I say she is top tier in Normal and Hard but Maddening she is less useful. I wouldn't say she is useless though
She has the worse growth rates pretty much in the game she really is not good in Maddening unless you use the dlc to increase exp etc so many other characters do what she does but 10 times better.
Go check her out in maddening when doing the Camilla divine paralogue and you’ll see that she has no issues in the swordmaster class
@@Unpunk she been got benched in my maddening and died in my hard mode run 😭😭
Mauvier was my best unit during the endgame. He capped everything during my Maddening run and was often reliable to just send into enemy lines with a +5 Flame Lance and with Emblem Camilla to use dragon vein. This video makes me wanna use Lapis though as I just benched her quick.
did you switch him to mage knight?
Ok but what if you don't have dlc?
I’m sorry I zoned out trying to stare up lyns skirt while you were talking about growths lmao
Hahahah 😂😂
On my maddening I didn't have to choose between knife users,
Because I used all 3! More poison!
Wouldn't Lapiz be a poor choice on Maddening due to the XP limitations?
No because you get her early in the game
kagetsu with eirika i can just run down everyone with 0 care in the world. eirika enables so many speedy units with low attk to just obliterate
You'll have a much smoother experience putting canter on almost all of your units during maddening--it seems boring, but its not worth sacrificing that skill for anything else if you're concerned about player-phase optimization. Very bulky units can afford not to inherit canter, though it's still useful on them.
Also keep in mind that it's realistic to expect about 3000-3500 SP to spend for each unit on maddening, avoid planning for 4000 or more, especially if not using DLC emblems.
Not disagreeing with any of the units individually, but Kagetsu, Lapis and Diamant together seems a bit sword heavy. I'd probably want to drop one of them simply for variation
I’ve been experiencing having Lapis as a Halberdier which seems to be working really good as well with the only change from sword master to that with no other changes to skills or emblem pair
Imo after 2 maddening runs.
1: Seadall
2: Kagetsu
3: Ivy
4: Hortensia
5: Anna
Tbh, I wouldn't really count Seadall since he's a dancer, and that class is always really good, but I agree with the rest of your list 👌
HAHAHA WHAT A TAKE, LAPIS AT #1 AND HIGHER THAN KAGETSU!
Lapis is my Tower Trial 50 machine
@@mattzucca4102 Oh yeah, I use her for outrealms and tt, but that's not maddening story playthrough anymore. Tower of trials has its own difficulty. At capped stats lapis is p cracked because speed is king, and she gets class speed cap of +3.
I will do the harder setting. I’m tired of using only Yunaka.
Yunaka still carries in maddening for me at least
Swordmaster is actively bad and likely the second worst Backup class in the game due to lack of 1-2 range options. Plus there's the diminishing returns on dodge tanks on Maddening due to enemies ignoring anyone they have a 0% chance to hit. I've heard plenty of people discussing Wyvern Knight being a far better option for Kagetsu than his native Swordmaster, while Hero (or Bow Knight) Lapis seems to be more popular.
I also think you're vastly overrating growth units for Maddening--the lower EXP payouts make growth units like Anna and Rosado a hard sell.
Did you see any of the gameplay I showed? Both of which were in the endgame and powerful units to use if you couldn’t see. All the footage comes from a maddening Playthrough
@@Unpunk I did, but I don't think that makes any difference with my critiques.
Any character can be great if you invest heavily in them--I would argue that you'd specifically get better results from another class on Kagetsu. Swords have consistently been the worst of the WT because of that lack of 1-2 range options. I think that other units would be better on Maddening than the investment required to get Anna there. I don't deny any of these characters can pop off and be good/great (I've loved my magic nuke Anna on Hard), just that I'm skeptical these are the 5 BEST characters for Maddening
Anna is deff worth the time in maddening
@@hhh827 I'd say his Lapis ranking is clearly a case of favoritism/investment as you're correct she's just a worse Kagetsu. Tbh Kagetsu is probably the #1 hard carry in the game.
Anna absolutely deserves her spot though. She's the best mage in the game and can easily be caught up early on with Micaiah and spamming staves.
Rosado and Diamant I'm not sure about. I'm going to try them both on my current playthrough and see how they measure up. Diamant I never used on my first run but he's been wrecking since the moment I got him this time around.
@@Peter-wb7he Rosado might be tricky to get him going in Maddening but he's well worth it. Diamant and Lapis are clearly his favorism, though.
after watching this video im doubting if you even played maddening
I’ve found Kagetsu is far better reclassed as a warrior. His strength growth is lower than his speed/dex, and swords are the weakest weapon type. Warrior growths and axes fix both those issues, and give him access to the longbow for crazy chain attacks. With class change bonus and maybe one point level up in build, he isn’t weighed down by a forged steel axe and almost always doubles. Because maddening enemies ignore units with avoid that’s too high, dodge tanking can be a double edged sword. Even without swordmaster’s insane speed, he’ll still have very strong avoid, but I find it’s better to focus on a stronger player phase than bank on enemies missing him with low percentages if they even bother attacking him at all.
Lapis is my Kagetsu. Gave her Marth’s avoid and Perceptive, then made her swordmaster and hero after a while. I Tiki’d Anna and she tanks and Diamant with Ike is hella strong.
Glad to see another person using similar setup!
Sword master is not that great of a class. It has a mediocre class skill and has no physical 1-2 range options. Hero is way more useful. So is Halberdier and warrior. Heck Berserker is better for Lapis because she has no bulk or strength.
Also lapis is certinally not the best unit in maddening mode. For starters there is the dancer and the flying Mages. Way more deserving of a deployment slot on maddening then Lapis of all people.
P.s. giving Anna any durability skill is stupid because she has base 2 defense as a mage and very low hp. If she enters combat on enemy phase to any physical unit, she dies. Giving Anna anything like that is a waste of time and SP
I am too stubborn to maddening lol I refuse not to use certain characters like yunaka
yunaka is better than lapis/diamant I am quite sure, so it is fine. She is actually very good.
How is nobody talking about Alcryst and his Uber op skill Luna?
Because that’s the real only redeeming feature I have seen from him yet. Maybe some crazy emblem combo’s and bow knight could help him out but he’s been very fragile in all my playthroughs even in maddening
This list feels like it was made by someone who played 1 Maddening run and just listed who they used and liked, ignoring all other, unexplored characters. Anna is the only one who definitely belongs in a top 5. I can see an argument for Kagetsu, but to me he's in the 10-12 range. Everyone else on this list is outside the top 15.
Lapis is a joke. You argue that she is a dodge tank, but that argument works better for Yunaka and Zelkov. Yes, you can heavily invest more in a character and make them really strong, but that doesn't make them better than other units if given the same investment. Lapis has terrible strength growth and just ends up requiring a lot more grinding than other characters to become good. She's like the 25th best unit overall.
Anyway, here's my list:
5. Ivy
4. Alear
3. Anna
2. Jean
1. Seadall (because dancer is busted in Engage)
Honorable mentions go to: Chloe, Hortensia, Alcryst, Timerra
Have you used Timerra in a maddening playthrough? She is terribly fragile. Alear is fine in maddening but a worse dodge tank if you go that way than either lapis or kagetsu as well as just had a lot less offensiveness tbh. Jean takes too much XP from other units to be able to catch up for the low starting level and will hinder the growth of other units in maddening is why he wasn’t on the list. Since you have drastically lower do gains and overall amount of battles with less skirmishes you will have to sacrifice a lot of units level ups for him to become relevant
@Unpunk Yes, Timerra is a killing machine with a Brave Lance and her Sandstorm ability. Her insane speed allows her to quad almost all enemies, nearly guaranteeing a Sandstorm proc and/or Crit. She is not fragile as she is a dodge tank with decent defense as a cherry on top. Just promote her to Picket right away. Easy top-10 unit.
@@flip9118 didn’t work out that way at all for me so I must have gotten the worst role. But thinking about it, it’s not possible for a bad role as stack growths are locked so no matter who uses her if in the same class she’ll have identical growths
@Unpunk She really likes having Sigurd. He buffs Defense and Dexterity, which both play into Sandstorm. And he gives build, which will make her faster. And the Lance Power and +Hit skills.
Override also synergizes with Sandstorm since every hit is a chance to proc Sandstorm. Everything about Sigurd matches up with what Timerra wants to do.
Then just toss Timerra a Brave Lance and Secret Book / Dracoshield and she becomes a damage carry who can also tank hits when needed. Easily one of the best units on your team.
I agree with you till you said kagetsu is in the 10-12 range :D
F this games releasing with dlc bs making me feel like if I want to do a maddening play through I’m just at a major disadvantage without it
The DLC is really broken your essentially playing hard at that point
Try ironmanning it for extra challenge!
I think for this fire emblem game, it's one of the most balanced, every caractere can be broken with a good build and the right ability.... + the good Emblem ring (DPS or Support) So to resume my idea, any tier list is not relevant. It's not like fire emblem three house who everyone was forced to play lysethia in maddening :)