@@jakeringer3153 that's because it doesnt' have the carbon ceramic brakes on w/ the track pack. It is liability and dangerous not to have the limiter on. Fully loaded, it's still < half the price of the Lucid.
Brooks, Track Mode wouldn’t accelerate as quickly as the Dragstrip mode does. Yes, it will hit the speed limiter sooner but I don’t think it hit it until immediately before the half mile line. Track Mode might not have helped at all here. They might have been going slower than 163 mph by the half mile in Track Mode because it doesn’t accelerate as quickly.
@@sudeeptaghosh In latest quarterly report Lucid had just over $4.7 Billion in cash and investments. At the burn rate of the past year that is enough to last them until Spring '25 without any sales. However, the main factory is nearing completion and Lucid's new 3-row SUV enter production later this year (Americans buy SUVs, not Sedans). Lucid's controlling shareholder, the Saudi PIF, has about a $Trillion in assets and can get more from Saudi Aramco if needed. Cash for future expansion is not an issue. I am not sure how the "going bankrupt" story got started but it has been propagated by EV haters and Tesla fans who feel threatened. FWIW many said the same about Tesla for its first 10 years.
@@Miata822 who am I to tell anyone where they put their money .. best of luck to lucid .. but the fact is .. if they don’t scale they will never be cash flow positive and the way they pay bonus to Peter .. I don’t see much hope ..
@@sudeeptaghosh I'm afraid the fact is you have been informed by gossipy talking points of the Tesla crew rather than actual data. Listening to the latest earnings call would address each of your "concerns."
@@Miata822 best of luck.. do you this fact about their repetitive regressions on scaling targets even not meeting them and half of them are still unsold ..?
@@Just_a_random_birbLucid beat the Chiron Pur Sport, watch the Hagerty Drag Rce. Nevera will easily win against the Chrion Super Sport. But the Chiron SS has a higher top speed.
My coworker who has a tesla always tells me never to buy a used electric car. I wonder how long these electric cars last until something major goes out.
@@jponz85battery warranty last 8years so nothing to worry about, better to get use ev instead of used ice vehicles since those have way more maintenance and you have no idea if the previous owner followed them
Make no mistake, the Lucid’s birth is for the records book, based off the time from start to product delivery. You can only imagine what the next generation will be. The only hurdle I foresee is surviving the market itself, because on paper it’s next level
I've driven a few 'grand touring' lucid airs and they're totally incredible. The range is above all. The comfort is on par with my S-Class. If the electric charging system was better in America, we'd definitely have one.
plus Lucid would've been bankrupt 5x already if it weren't for Arab money pouring into it keeping it alive and its CEO keep lying to keep the stock prices from going to zero. That company is fucked.
Reminder that the Tesla Model S Plaid was $129,000 1/7/22. $135,990 on 6/15/22 and now 2/15/24 is $89,000! Without Track Pack.....or full FSD. The Yoke is a $1k option
@@manchuriancandidatethe3rd101no one should trust FSD period. We're not there yet and Telsa isn't our savior as well. Who needs a superior supercharging network when you have range for days? Also mute point as Telsa is about to open up their network. The model S needs a full refresh badly as they're starting to look really old now.
@@manchuriancandidatethe3rd101 Lucid has the over-the-air update too. It has the self-driving feature too. It is called "Dream-drive". Starting next year, all EV manufactured in North America will be using the same charging infrastructure as Tesla. ... The competition is on!
Yeah, they should've really made it known the difference in prices. This should've just been a rimac vs. Lucid video of they really wanted the best. Motortrend is sponsored by the people who want Tesla to fail. Their publications now show that blatantly
@@jghall00 The Plaid is in a completely different price bracket than the Sapphire. It's not always about price anyway. Some people are a lot more serious about track days than others. Sometimes it's a logistics/storage issue.
@@kenhiett5266the plaid is literally a 150,000 dollar car base msrp that isn’t cheap and not even a bargain with the trackpack I’ve seen these things sell for 180,000+ to even 200,000
@@ericship8383 Base price for a Plaid is 90K and the track pack is 15 to 20k. Again, it's in a totally different price bracket than the Sapphire. It's not close.
@@mateokovac2642 they don’t really stand out to be fair, but their performance is undeniable. The plaid is smoking super cars worth hundreds of thousands of millions more than its msrp, and that’s astonishing to me. AND the average person can save up for it and fit it into their income, unlike say a Lamborghini.
@@ericship8383 No! The Sapphire has at least 200hp more than the Plaid. They make a difference when it comes to speed. The Sapphire is an expensive and beautiful beast.
You should have tested a new plaid, with track pack and a steering wheel. It's 2024, not 2021. Why test a 3 year old car without the handling related options against a new Lucid that has all the good stuff on it?
He said why in the video. They contacted Tesla to try and get a new one with the track pack but Tesla didn't respond, so they had to go with whatever Plaid they could get their hands on.
I drove a Air GT and it was wicked fast and pleasant. They really are a next level machine. They are till fine tunning things but truly and experience.
Do agree about the need for added sound deadening for the Model S cabin, but for the price of one Sapphire, you could buy two new Plaids with the track pack. And you can get a wheel instead of a yoke. Teslas were not designed to be dead silent at speeds above 95...
@@sexpistill Search for "mischa track pack". The track pack changes the car 100%. Mischa even said "sorry" to Tesla for saying it's impossible to change the car based on software, but he was really impressed by it. Too bad MT didn't find a track pack Model S Plaid with a round steering wheel.
To be honest, I think it’s true that that’s unequal. The plaid equals the air GT, die Track Pack corners much much better and would be the right comparison to the Saphire. It’s still slower on the drag probably.
@@blake350z So does my 50k model 3 performance. Of course there is more to performance than a fast quarter mile, but Lucid is trying to charge Porsche level price for the Sapphire and it's just not selling.
Right?! This was such a poor video. I'm really disappointed! With the resource of MT, they could've optioned out a S with a Steering Wheel and Track Package and not made excuses. They used an OLD S. The head and tail lights changed in late 2022. Why put out the video? Lost a lot of credibility with this one. Why not compare the Plaid with the GT, which is much closer in price. I know why - because the Plaid trashes it in all respects. They complain about handling, but didn't bother adjusting the torque vectoring option in the Plaid. Terrible video all around.
@@JohnUnit So how come they had any car at all? Since they went out and chose their own car, they could have easily picked one with a round wheel. I get the track pack thing as that's rare, but the wheel has been offered since 2022.
@@T3chAndThings Comments like these just make me wonder how dumb some people truly are. Why do u think performance is the ONLY determination of price? Really? Look at the interior or a lucid then a tesla and get back too me. One is dull and basic that screams cost cutting and looks exactly like the model 3 which is 20k and the other is actually luxury. Same thing with u people saying the taycan cost more. No shihhhh. Its a LUXURY BRAND IN PORSCHE. TESLA ISNT A LUXURY BRAND
@@senadhasanbasic260 With the price difference between this cars and the small gap in performance you can remove the rear seat in the tesla and lower some weight to make the same 1/4 times and i can buy a performance kit car for the race track
@@thepetrolman4879 Read again my boy says i Can buy a Kit car this are cars réplicas like factory five racing, Caterham cars, DF kit car etc… Petrol is in your veins like i do but electric cars are better!
I'd like to see best vehicle for the price all in. No base price trickery, just the out the door price of the vehicle being tested. What's the best car for $200k or less. What's the best car for 100k or less..etc.
Don’t know what Model S Plaid you’ve driven but my Plaid with Track Pack, round steering wheel AND Track Mode engaged is remarkable. It truly transforms the car in every way. Super hard, fast and controllable. A standard Plaid is so far off! Would love to try the Lucid one day
@@SahnDeayGoh It's already an apples to oranges comparison but if you comparing straight up features, Lucid has nothing like FSD and the Dreamdrive several steps down from Auto Pilot.
@@AlternativPerspectiv define "old". The Taycan Turbo S could beat all Model S variants including the Model S P100D, but could not beat the Plaid introduced in 2021 (of course nothing under $2 million could until the Lucid Sapphire).
"Tesla is no longer the leader in EV technology" that right there is a fangirl statement because the Tesla has tons of features that Lucid doesn't have. And so whack to slow mo the ending of the quarter of mile to make the gap look bigger. And get the track pack with the updated steering wheel... if you can get a Saphire you can get a Plaid Track Pack.
Thank you. This was a lousy attempt by motortrend. They're just doing their best to please their anti-tesla sponsors. Test a three year old car against a brand new one that is more than 2.5 times as much and doesn't have the new updated track package. Like what???
@@romelramoyet the sapphire is also way better in top speed and cornering you’re acting like as if the plaid doesn’t get smoked by cars on the Nurburgring that costs 40-60k 😂😂😂
It doesn't matter. The type of people who buy $250k cars will dump it before the warranty expires and go buy another one. Now, will Lucid offer extended factory warranties at a reasonable price (say around $5k a year or less?)
I think the best comparison i heard was the plaid to a hellcat. Thats a normal comparison. I think i saw a bearded guy compare them actually. The lucid needs to be compared to panameras or quattroportes. The tesla is a cheap muscle car but the lucid is a luxury super sedan.
Nobody buying a plaid cares about price, Honda civics and stock motor F150 work trucks are gapping plaids so does that mean F150s and honda civics are better cars?
@@Xteriolet’s not be confused people this car was only produced to show that Lucid could make a car better, faster than the Tesla Model S, they didn’t care about customers because the only one goal was to beat to Tesla which they did but at what cost?😏 on the other hand Tesla prioritizes efficiency, their main goal was to offer an efficient, fast and practical saloon at a very affordable price which they’ve succeeded . So $250k for a car that’s approximately 10% better than The Model S 😏😏I’m a little bit lost there
@@vladymirvernet9003you can also say the same about the plaid many cheaper cars destroy the plaid on the Nurburgring a c6 z06 for 40k whooped the plaid for 150k on the Nurburgring what’s your point 😏 again just making sorry excuses for your bf Elon
@@louibeale2387 Tesla didn't start to turn a profit until 2020. 12 years after they started selling their first car. And they lost about $40k on every Roadster they sold. The point is that Lucid aren't going to go bankrupt just because they're losing money right now. Tesla went through the same thing when they got started
Enable track mode which is available for all model S plaids for free. It completely changes the handling of the car. Stiffer suspension, much better steering wheel feel etc.
Reminder that the Tesla Model S Plaid was $129,000 1/7/22. $135,990 on 6/15/22 and now 2/15/24 is $89,000! Without Track Pack.....or full FSD. The Yoke is a $1k option
@@sexpistill - With three huge redesigns over the years, I don't think there is a single significant part that is used (maybe some screws) that are in the current Model S from the 2012 Model S. Current Model S has a new battery pack, new HVAC system, new interior, new exterior, new suspension, new software, new electrical system, new lighting, all new glass, faster charging, far more range, and more. As for the Saphire, it's based off the 3-year old original Dream and has a some new bits too. In many areas, the Model S has newer technology that the Saphire, but the Saphire has some great advancements too. Love the competition, as we get cars few could imagine 10 years ago.
Comments like these just make me wonder how dumb some people truly are. Why do u think performance is the ONLY determination of price? Really? Look at the interior or a lucid then a tesla and get back too me. One is dull and basic that screams cost cutting and looks exactly like the model 3 which is 20k and the other is actually luxury. Same thing with u people saying the taycan cost more. No shihhhh. Its a LUXURY BRAND IN PORSCHE. TESLA ISNT A LUXURY BRAND
You won't understand why it's worth the $250K until you've driven one back to back with a Plaid. I've been in a LOT of Teslas. Their handling is ABYSMAL. On a windy road, I would never trust a Tesla to function in an emergency situation if I have to brake while turning a blind corner, for instance. Bad handling isn't just an enthusiast problem, it's a safety problem. A car that's properly balanced in all its inputs - steering, brake, and accelerator - and therefore handles well is also a safer car because it won't do anything you don't tell it to do.
U cant make car videos without knowing some basic details of the cars. Next time u racing with the Tesla Model S Plaid, put it to Track Mode and unleash the dragon
plaid track package is way way bettter tho. saw someone raced it on Nurburgring and it perform really well. i dont know how much did lucid paid you guys to do such a comparison lol.
Sapphire's price of 2.8 Model S Plaids makes it kind of a joke. Anybody can do incredible things with that kind of money. Sapphire is an academic exercise that will never have any production relevance. Why don't you guys compare the AMG E63 to a Honda Accord next time?
@@mluu510 Well there is also the fact that Lucid might not even be a company in a few years. As of right now, they lose nearly $430K per vehicle they sell while already being pretty expensive. The only reason they're still afloat is the Saudis funding them, which I highly doubt will last
I think I saw the trap speed at the half mile as 163-165mph, while the quarter mile is around 152-156. I would assume the sapphire is TS limited too because there is no way with this sort of HP the speed would absolutely flatten out like is denoted here.
Tbh Lucid is just luxury. Insane performance. I feel like teslas will always represent middle class American families. A plaid is js insane you can pick one up currently for around 60k a 2021 plaid. For 60k there is not many cars out there that can compete with it. But the Sapphire is js overall insane
Over twice the price, - meaning, almost 3x the price. Plaid is $90k, Lucid Air Sapphire is $250k. Also, the yoke argument? Come on. It's not even standard in 2024. Let's focus on the facts, please, Motortrend!
I been working as a Lucid Repair Technician and I can say I love building and seeing these cars more and more on the strip and road
That half mile trap speed is crazy for both
Never has going quickly, been so undesirable.
Too bad the plaid was on the limiter...
@@jakeringer3153Still would be seeing the Lucid tail lights..
@@jakeringer3153 that's because it doesnt' have the carbon ceramic brakes on w/ the track pack. It is liability and dangerous not to have the limiter on. Fully loaded, it's still < half the price of the Lucid.
Half the price but 10x more common unfortunately.
I am all for Lucid, I hope they keep making wonderful cars.
Great cars
Yes but bankruptcy around the corner
If they can survive losing $200-300K for every car they make (that is not an exaggeration)
Absolutely they will ! Smaller EV Motors and much more Efficient 900W Technology too ! Lucid Air is just the king ! It is !
@@ivanronin8209 it’s a nice car but hop off the chimichanga for a bit bro, it’s not a good look 😂
2 of the fastest production cars made are both made in the USA
Quickest* not fastest ! And there are quick in straight line… not so much on track, way too heavy
@@MoJo-2977 Randy Pobst has one he takes up Pikes peak and it does quiet well and an Electric car hold the record currently
@@MoJo-2977plaid track pack is the 2nd fastest sedan on the Nurburgring
@@Qkazam Was 2nd not anymore
2 of the fastest *SEDAN*are both made in USA.
come on, put the Plaid in TRACK MODE and the top speed increases to 173 MPH....... who does these races not knowing the details....
Spot on!
lol wouldn’t matter!
Lol
He also forgot to mention the lucid cost more than double of the plaid
Brooks, Track Mode wouldn’t accelerate as quickly as the Dragstrip mode does. Yes, it will hit the speed limiter sooner but I don’t think it hit it until immediately before the half mile line. Track Mode might not have helped at all here. They might have been going slower than 163 mph by the half mile in Track Mode because it doesn’t accelerate as quickly.
Driving my Air GT for almost 2 years now I've never felt 'slow' with its mere 819hp, but still I am trying to justify a Sapphire to myself.
They way they burning cash who knows how long they live .. and then if you ever need support you left with a dud sorry
@@sudeeptaghosh In latest quarterly report Lucid had just over $4.7 Billion in cash and investments. At the burn rate of the past year that is enough to last them until Spring '25 without any sales. However, the main factory is nearing completion and Lucid's new 3-row SUV enter production later this year (Americans buy SUVs, not Sedans).
Lucid's controlling shareholder, the Saudi PIF, has about a $Trillion in assets and can get more from Saudi Aramco if needed. Cash for future expansion is not an issue. I am not sure how the "going bankrupt" story got started but it has been propagated by EV haters and Tesla fans who feel threatened. FWIW many said the same about Tesla for its first 10 years.
@@Miata822 who am I to tell anyone where they put their money .. best of luck to lucid .. but the fact is .. if they don’t scale they will never be cash flow positive and the way they pay bonus to Peter .. I don’t see much hope ..
@@sudeeptaghosh I'm afraid the fact is you have been informed by gossipy talking points of the Tesla crew rather than actual data. Listening to the latest earnings call would address each of your "concerns."
@@Miata822 best of luck.. do you this fact about their repetitive regressions on scaling targets even not meeting them and half of them are still unsold ..?
“Decimate the Plaid”is not something I’m used to hearing. Congrats Lucid 🥂
You don’t hear it because .2 sec better time isn’t decimation. Especially not after this was released after plaid.
@@XeonSXyet the sapphire has a higher top speed it decimates the plaid 😂
@@ericship8383another decision lucid made because they are insecure with their car. 5mph difference can’t be coincidental.
“Decimate” is so melodramatic, it barely walks a Plaid lol
@@XeonSX.2 seconds at 150+ mph IS decimation lmao. I can tell you never race fast cars lmao
Still waiting for Sapphire vs Rimac Nevera
Or the Pinafarina Batista!
Weight, the Nevera is faster
never is faster. i want to see Bugatti Chiron super sport vs never 👍
@@Just_a_random_birb nevera smokes everything haha th-cam.com/video/Phaq5p6SAmM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6Tj-ek4cFksm4-LV
@@Just_a_random_birbLucid beat the Chiron Pur Sport, watch the Hagerty Drag Rce.
Nevera will easily win against the Chrion Super Sport. But the Chiron SS has a higher top speed.
A 5 seater luxury sedan thats beautiful. Drives amazing. AND Runs a 9.0 sec qtr mile. ITS WORTH EVERY PENNEY.
None of these cars are beautiful.
@@wolfgangbarrio5043luckily that’s personal taste
Love the Lucid but its a huge price difference compared to a Plaid. I picked up a used '21 Plaid for 68 K a couple months ago
My coworker who has a tesla always tells me never to buy a used electric car. I wonder how long these electric cars last until something major goes out.
@@jponz85battery warranty last 8years so nothing to worry about, better to get use ev instead of used ice vehicles since those have way more maintenance and you have no idea if the previous owner followed them
@jponz85 That's good thing about electric cars. There's not much to worry about besides tires and brakes. I have a 150K mile warranty on the batteries
@@tornatic1983a plaid isn’t 68k 😂😂 a plaid is 150k
@@ericship8383buddy it’s used, and they have lost lots of value, do your research. You can find them in 60s and 70s
Motortrend !!!!!! The best car review and sales company!!
Make no mistake, the Lucid’s birth is for the records book, based off the time from start to product delivery. You can only imagine what the next generation will be.
The only hurdle I foresee is surviving the market itself, because on paper it’s next level
I've driven a few 'grand touring' lucid airs and they're totally incredible. The range is above all. The comfort is on par with my S-Class. If the electric charging system was better in America, we'd definitely have one.
plus Lucid would've been bankrupt 5x already if it weren't for Arab money pouring into it keeping it alive and its CEO keep lying to keep the stock prices from going to zero. That company is fucked.
They will just get bought out, best R&D behind Rimac in terms of BEVs
You can buy a Model S Plaid, a Model X Plaid and a Model 3 for the price of the Lucid. The Lucid is nice but it doesn't justify the price.
Do you think anyone cares once you get near plaid speed/power? Lucid needs to produce a cheaper to stay competitive
Even without the track pack, someone should have known you can put the Plaid in track mode, which bumps the limiter to 175.
Wouldn't make a difference lmao
@@alexklein455it would.
Reminder that the Tesla Model S Plaid was $129,000 1/7/22. $135,990 on 6/15/22 and now 2/15/24 is $89,000! Without Track Pack.....or full FSD. The Yoke is a $1k option
plus Tesla has better tech like true over-the-air update, Full self driving beta ... and wayy better charging intrastructure
@@manchuriancandidatethe3rd101no one should trust FSD period. We're not there yet and Telsa isn't our savior as well. Who needs a superior supercharging network when you have range for days? Also mute point as Telsa is about to open up their network. The model S needs a full refresh badly as they're starting to look really old now.
Tesla is built like garbage
Wrong it’s 200k
@@manchuriancandidatethe3rd101
Lucid has the over-the-air update too. It has the self-driving feature too. It is called "Dream-drive". Starting next year, all EV manufactured in North America will be using the same charging infrastructure as Tesla.
... The competition is on!
Motor trends doesn't have the connections to someone with a plaid with track pack.
Get over it.
It wouldn’t have made a difference bucko
@@ericship8383 It would have in the half mile by time but still would have lost to the Lucid.
Yeah, they should've really made it known the difference in prices.
This should've just been a rimac vs. Lucid video of they really wanted the best.
Motortrend is sponsored by the people who want Tesla to fail.
Their publications now show that blatantly
Haha, it won't matter...
Finally. Half-mile races. Thank you.
driven an Air touring Awd and was very impressed. well sorted and a pleasure to drive.
Misha and the Model S track pack stomps all over your narrative about the Tesla.
If you can afford these cars, you can afford a dedicated track car.
@@jghall00 The Plaid is in a completely different price bracket than the Sapphire. It's not always about price anyway. Some people are a lot more serious about track days than others. Sometimes it's a logistics/storage issue.
@@kenhiett5266the plaid is literally a 150,000 dollar car base msrp that isn’t cheap and not even a bargain with the trackpack I’ve seen these things sell for 180,000+ to even 200,000
@@ericship8383 Base price for a Plaid is 90K and the track pack is 15 to 20k. Again, it's in a totally different price bracket than the Sapphire. It's not close.
@@kenhiett5266nobody that can afford a plaid cares about the price lmao, if you can afford a 120k dollar car, you can afford a sapphire.
Lol, I love the fact that the dude is showing the stats between the two and then he drop the prize range 😂
Awesome car revue, the Lucid Air is a better-built car than the Tesla S.
This video was shadow-suppressed. There's no way it should have this low of views
I came to the comments to see angry Teslarati. I was not disappointed.
Such losers. They think their Teslas are special in 2024.
@@mateokovac2642they are… I guarantee it’d smoke your car in a quarter mile
Unless you have a lucid lol
@@bloxoss sure, a car every soccermom drives is 'special' lmfao
@@mateokovac2642 they don’t really stand out to be fair, but their performance is undeniable. The plaid is smoking super cars worth hundreds of thousands of millions more than its msrp, and that’s astonishing to me. AND the average person can save up for it and fit it into their income, unlike say a Lamborghini.
American-engineering, baby!❤
So you could buy a used Plaid for 70k + 15k carbon ceramic kit or a $250k sapphire
I’ll take the latter
The Saphire is double the price of the Plaid.. hard to compare luxury features..
Yet they have the same hp and the lucid is heavier
@@ericship8383 wrong, the Lucid has more HP and torque.
@@ericship8383
No! The Sapphire has at least 200hp more than the Plaid. They make a difference when it comes to speed. The Sapphire is an expensive and beautiful beast.
At $90,000 vs $250,000, it's almost triple the price. 😵💫
@@metalbonsai
Whatever ... 😭😭😭. Unlike the Tesla, the Lucide Sapphire combines luxury and performance.
You should have tested a new plaid, with track pack and a steering wheel. It's 2024, not 2021. Why test a 3 year old car without the handling related options against a new Lucid that has all the good stuff on it?
It still would’ve lost regardless plus the lucid is an 8 year old platform so what’s your point
He said why in the video. They contacted Tesla to try and get a new one with the track pack but Tesla didn't respond, so they had to go with whatever Plaid they could get their hands on.
Because it wouldn’t get clicked if the plaid won - everyone knows Tesla is the ev king
@@chopstix3you are dumb
Because they are BIAS...
Licid excellent!
I drove a Air GT and it was wicked fast and pleasant. They really are a next level machine. They are till fine tunning things but truly and experience.
Man this needs to be redone with the track package plaid on quarter mile runs the track mode gets to 9 flats all the record breakers have track mode
Plaid will still lose obviously
Wrong. The track pack does not improve acceleration times. Only higher top speed and better suspension for turning.
I don't think so, watching the Tesla Plaid Channel he usually runs 9.25s on a prepared strip, never seen him do a 9.0 and he is extremely experienced.
Do agree about the need for added sound deadening for the Model S cabin, but for the price of one Sapphire, you could buy two new Plaids with the track pack. And you can get a wheel instead of a yoke. Teslas were not designed to be dead silent at speeds above 95...
LucidAir Sapphire is the KING of EV‘s 🏆🏆🏆
Rimac hold my beer 🍻
Shame you couldn't find a track pack by renting it or something. Most say it completely changes the car's handling.
almost every auto journalist is biased against Tesla, go figure.
@@manchuriancandidatethe3rd101 Oh come on the S platform is a decade old, it's obvious it won't be as good as a brand new platform
@@manchuriancandidatethe3rd101 There are plenty of people that want anything but a housefly common Tesla.
@@sexpistill Search for "mischa track pack". The track pack changes the car 100%. Mischa even said "sorry" to Tesla for saying it's impossible to change the car based on software, but he was really impressed by it. Too bad MT didn't find a track pack Model S Plaid with a round steering wheel.
Still wouldn’t have made a difference bucko
I think they’re both awesome and I’m a model s owner but regardless you cannot put the price difference to the side
Exactly, somehow the $160,000 or so is just a minor point.... How about I'll take 2 plaids and a model 3 for that price.
The Lucid is TWICE the car. Its a bargain at 250k. Its faster than a bugatti and luxurious like a Bentley. Telsa is outdated 120k for 2016 tech.
Kyle, if it was twice the car it would fit in at $180k. Def not twice the car.
Reminder that the model s plaid cost $175k at launch. Wait a year for price drops
@@garyhgaryhthe model s plaid was literally 180k plus at launch with the trackpack it’s 200k 😂😂😂
The 1/2 mile is a brilliant test. Hoping to see more cars being tested this way. 👌
Damnit! I missed 3/4s of the video from my epileptic episode from all the rapid blink/flashing effects at the beginning
Lucid looks soo much better than the S!!!
I love my Model S Plaid. Can’t wait to see what they come up next because of the sapphire
I hope we get some extra hp with simple software upgrade :)
Im certain the current Plaid drive train is well capable of 1.200hp or even more. Probably software locked to 1020hp.
@@greenearth9945And that was three years ago. Lucid was still holding bake sales back then.
Since Tesla is history
It would be great to do a taycan turbo gt and lucid track race
To be honest, I think it’s true that that’s unequal.
The plaid equals the air GT, die Track Pack corners much much better and would be the right comparison to the Saphire.
It’s still slower on the drag probably.
The Track Pack would get beat too.
It's 'Ring time proves it's enough of a drivers car to beat 99% the other contenders in the 'Ring. Maybe Lucid will decide to 'Ring test it some day.
Half arsed review without Track Pack
Elon fanboy detected
well testing a 1/2 mile with a car that hits the limiter without a track pack is lame @@Xterio
Track pack doesn't make a difference for the acceleration, so it would still lose quarter mile. Hence no difference
@@AnimationDarkMasterTrue, its more about that it’s 10x better in the cornering 😊
Sapphire traps at 200 mph 1/2 the plaid does 180 mph fanboy
The Lucid looks so much better it’s not even in the same ballpark. Can now get into a Lucid for 69,900.
Ahem, $89,000
That is a slow model. This sapphire is $250k!
@@SamKyosho the slow model is plenty for the street. I have a touring: does a 11sec 1/4. great car.
@@blake350z So does my 50k model 3 performance. Of course there is more to performance than a fast quarter mile, but Lucid is trying to charge Porsche level price for the Sapphire and it's just not selling.
Comparing a car that sells for 90k with one that sells for 250k what a joke.
Clicked to finally see a Plaid track pack race but just got motor trend excuses of why they couldn’t get a track pack and running a dated race anyway.
I think there is a video somewhere
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@@b8Capital track pack vs sapphire specifically. It’s either one or the other.
Yeah lousy attempt by motortrend, again just trying to keep their anti-tesla sponsors happy
Right?! This was such a poor video. I'm really disappointed! With the resource of MT, they could've optioned out a S with a Steering Wheel and Track Package and not made excuses. They used an OLD S. The head and tail lights changed in late 2022. Why put out the video? Lost a lot of credibility with this one. Why not compare the Plaid with the GT, which is much closer in price. I know why - because the Plaid trashes it in all respects. They complain about handling, but didn't bother adjusting the torque vectoring option in the Plaid. Terrible video all around.
Why are you testing with the yoke when the standard configuration is the round wheel???
As he said, Tesla didn't get back to them on a newer test car.
@@JohnUnit So how come they had any car at all? Since they went out and chose their own car, they could have easily picked one with a round wheel. I get the track pack thing as that's rare, but the wheel has been offered since 2022.
@@sorka95032 usually in these cases the car is borrowed from a viewer or dealer
@@JohnUnit Right, but this is MT. You'd think they would have had more than one choice.
Strange MT doesn't use track mode nor the track pack for the 3 year old Plaid
Both are great cars but that price is a little steep just to be a bit faster than the Plaid, 250k vs 89k....
The sapphire has a top speed of 250 without the limiter the plaid only does 216 that’s a huge difference
@@ericship8383 ya but where and when would you ever need that top speed?
Little faster? Did we watch the same vid? It won by more then 2 car lengths
@@G82Watts still not spending 250k for 2 car lengths lol
@@T3chAndThings Comments like these just make me wonder how dumb some people truly are. Why do u think performance is the ONLY determination of price? Really? Look at the interior or a lucid then a tesla and get back too me. One is dull and basic that screams cost cutting and looks exactly like the model 3 which is 20k and the other is actually luxury. Same thing with u people saying the taycan cost more. No shihhhh. Its a LUXURY BRAND IN PORSCHE. TESLA ISNT A LUXURY BRAND
He didn’t talk about the info tainment system, 😢
Tesla is the best electric car the new function 3D park assist the software updates etc etc
Because its irrelevant in a performance car.
@@senadhasanbasic260
With the price difference between this cars and the small gap in performance you can remove the rear seat in the tesla and lower some weight to make the same 1/4 times and i can buy a performance kit car for the race track
@@ew10j4turbono one puts a 2.2 ton car on a racetrack lmao
@@thepetrolman4879 Read again my boy says i Can buy a Kit car this are cars réplicas like factory five racing, Caterham cars, DF kit car etc… Petrol is in your veins like i do but electric cars are better!
I'd like to see best vehicle for the price all in. No base price trickery, just the out the door price of the vehicle being tested. What's the best car for $200k or less. What's the best car for 100k or less..etc.
Oh that’s easy if your taking about brand new then that’s the Nissan Sentra 2024
The best car for 100K and less is a boosted C6 corvette
@@aimxdy8680Bmw M5 i'd say....Vette or 911 for sportscars.
Don’t know what Model S Plaid you’ve driven but my Plaid with Track Pack, round steering wheel AND Track Mode engaged is remarkable. It truly transforms the car in every way. Super hard, fast and controllable. A standard Plaid is so far off! Would love to try the Lucid one day
Close to 3x the price, not twice. Was this review filmed last year?
Well, add FSD, Track pack, upgraded interior, etc., its 2x the price. But, compared to the base plaid yeah its near 3x
Before or after Tesla slashing the price over a year by 40%?
@@SahnDeayGoh It's already an apples to oranges comparison but if you comparing straight up features, Lucid has nothing like FSD and the Dreamdrive several steps down from Auto Pilot.
@@Dou6.2 After. It was not quite 2x before. That's why I was wondering if this review had been filmed a year ago but only just published.
S Plaid = 89k
Sapphire = 250k
New taycan turbo gt is already putting both to shame. Exterior, interior, and performance wise.
How do people not understand the lucid is more than 200,000 dollars more expensive than the plaid. Wait till the roadster comes out.
we'll be waiting a long time for that roadster
A "track pack" in a car with half a steering wheel. Tell me how the wall tastes lolol
you can do 174 in Track Mode
You lose acceleration
@@Just_a_random_birbthe Lucid could do 200mph and has 3 motors what's your point?
@@volcalstone Tesla with trackpack could do 205 MPH and has 3 motors whats your point?
@@Just_a_random_birb I was referring to this particular vehicle in this video Tesla fanboy.
@@volcalstone Funny. I own doge hellcat.
Fantastic races! Love to see the competition
Lucid gaps 😂
How are the Arkansas State Police going to try to pit maneuver these cars LOL
They won’t, they will call the manufacturer and have them turned off.
With another plaid of course! Or just wait until it runs out of battery 😂
@@mluu510 by the time any of these cars run out of batteries. They are long gone
They won't will.gust gos verify and wait at your house to jail you😢
@@whitecometifyfake licence plate
I think a lucid vs a Tycan would be a better head to head. They're both a more "premium ev". Much closer in price too
taycan couldn't beat the old model s.
@alternativeperspectiv Yeah, the drag race would be laughable.
@@AlternativPerspectiv define "old". The Taycan Turbo S could beat all Model S variants including the Model S P100D, but could not beat the Plaid introduced in 2021 (of course nothing under $2 million could until the Lucid Sapphire).
Time for the Roadster 2.0 and/or the plaid+ model S.
Lucid only has 16 years until the Roadster gets released!
Unfortunately Lucid is unaffordable for most people and that will be its downfall or limitation.
"Tesla is no longer the leader in EV technology" that right there is a fangirl statement because the Tesla has tons of features that Lucid doesn't have. And so whack to slow mo the ending of the quarter of mile to make the gap look bigger. And get the track pack with the updated steering wheel... if you can get a Saphire you can get a Plaid Track Pack.
Thank you. This was a lousy attempt by motortrend. They're just doing their best to please their anti-tesla sponsors. Test a three year old car against a brand new one that is more than 2.5 times as much and doesn't have the new updated track package. Like what???
No to mention the hp difference
@@dexterhall8120they both have the same hp what’s your point? The plaid is underrated from the factory rated at 1200 hp
@@louibeale2387the lucid came out in 2016 what are you yapping about 😂😂
Keep crying kid
Is sapphire worth the extra $150K ???
Nope, definitely not
Wait for price drops, remember the Plaid cost $175k at first.
@@Minurz yet it's still cheaper than the lucid
Definitely yes, it has Bentley interior, Porsche handling, and more range.
@@romelramoyet the sapphire is also way better in top speed and cornering you’re acting like as if the plaid doesn’t get smoked by cars on the Nurburgring that costs 40-60k 😂😂😂
A lightly used plaid model s can be had for 55K. Best bang for the buck on earth.
Which will be reliable long term is the question. I may want to keep the Sapphire 😏
It doesn't matter. The type of people who buy $250k cars will dump it before the warranty expires and go buy another one. Now, will Lucid offer extended factory warranties at a reasonable price (say around $5k a year or less?)
I'd be shocked if Lucid stays in business long enough to have the majority of their warranties run out
Elon gonna see this and put a falcon engine inside a car 😂
He already said the next Tesla Roadster would have cold-air thrusters. But sometimes Elon just makes it up as he goes along.
Hahahahaaaaa😂😂😂!!
I think the best comparison i heard was the plaid to a hellcat. Thats a normal comparison. I think i saw a bearded guy compare them actually. The lucid needs to be compared to panameras or quattroportes. The tesla is a cheap muscle car but the lucid is a luxury super sedan.
Yeah the 2024 Panamera is leagues ahead of all of those, better driving dynamics and overall quality
This Tesla is $150K. That's not cheap.
Stock blower hellcats gap plaids all day lmao, MJMRacings Stock blower, stock motor hellcat gapped a plaid by like 10 car lengths
@@pierrojules $89K. Almost 1/3rd of the Sapphire's price.
@@deanmcmanis9398no it isn’t 😂😂 that’s depreciation the actual price is 150k it always will be 150k
The car needs a better marketing campaign.
Can’t wait for updated model s.
The double the price though.
No one said this when the plaid was winning race's😂
@@sexpistill no one said it cuz plaid is beating hypercars that cost thrice.
@@Just_a_random_birb Chiron Pur Sport destroyed the Plaid. But yes, the Plaid beats almost any car.
S Plaid = 89k
Sapphire = 250k
Nobody buying a plaid cares about price, Honda civics and stock motor F150 work trucks are gapping plaids so does that mean F150s and honda civics are better cars?
$86,000 car vs a $250,000 car 🤣🤣
Well the 250,000$ car decimates the Bugatti Chrion as well which is for 2.6 million $. What's your point Elon fanboy?
I can't buy either.
I guess yeah, you can say that, after Elon pegged the prices 6 times over the last 2 years lmfao
@@Xteriolet’s not be confused people this car was only produced to show that Lucid could make a car better, faster than the Tesla Model S, they didn’t care about customers because the only one goal was to beat to Tesla which they did but at what cost?😏 on the other hand Tesla prioritizes efficiency, their main goal was to offer an efficient, fast and practical saloon at a very affordable price which they’ve succeeded . So $250k for a car that’s approximately 10% better than The Model S 😏😏I’m a little bit lost there
@@vladymirvernet9003you can also say the same about the plaid many cheaper cars destroy the plaid on the Nurburgring a c6 z06 for 40k whooped the plaid for 150k on the Nurburgring what’s your point 😏 again just making sorry excuses for your bf Elon
Why buy a Lucid when you can get the refreshed Taycan. That is what you should have tested the Lucid against.
Thanks for the review🙏
Lucid Air defeats the Tesla Model S Plaid and Porsche Taycan Turbo s
Lucid will go out of business and where will you service your vehicles?
Yeah right. You wish. Lucid is here to stay. Don't be a hater.
Lucid loses money on every car. They're likely gone before 2025 is up
@@louibeale2387 Tesla didn't start to turn a profit until 2020. 12 years after they started selling their first car. And they lost about $40k on every Roadster they sold.
The point is that Lucid aren't going to go bankrupt just because they're losing money right now. Tesla went through the same thing when they got started
Enable track mode which is available for all model S plaids for free. It completely changes the handling of the car. Stiffer suspension, much better steering wheel feel etc.
The Lucid is fast and luxurious.
Exactly. You don't have to give up anything or need to compromise with the Lucid the way you do with the Tesla.
That Lucid is a beast.
Over twice the price 😂😂 Seems like apples and oranges to me
That's never stopped people from comparing things like Corvettes and Vipers to Porsches and Ferraris.
Lot more luxurious
Reminder that the Tesla Model S Plaid was $129,000 1/7/22. $135,990 on 6/15/22 and now 2/15/24 is $89,000! Without Track Pack.....or full FSD. The Yoke is a $1k option
i don’t like tesla but if you can get a sapphire then you should be able to get a track pack🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
$250K for the LUCID SAPPHIRE.
Yeah you pay for what you get a brand new platform with better tech vs a 12 year old platform
@@sexpistill - With three huge redesigns over the years, I don't think there is a single significant part that is used (maybe some screws) that are in the current Model S from the 2012 Model S. Current Model S has a new battery pack, new HVAC system, new interior, new exterior, new suspension, new software, new electrical system, new lighting, all new glass, faster charging, far more range, and more. As for the Saphire, it's based off the 3-year old original Dream and has a some new bits too. In many areas, the Model S has newer technology that the Saphire, but the Saphire has some great advancements too. Love the competition, as we get cars few could imagine 10 years ago.
@@sexpistill They are losing money on every product they sell. They are riddled with QC issues.
Good things cost money, cheaply made Elon strategy to try and conquer the market failed. Race to Quality always wins.
@@Xterio That’s why lucid is on the verge on bankrupt? Lol
Lucid 2.5x the price. Can get similar performance with track of mode. Plus, you can actually find a fast charger that works when you need it
The Lucid is actually closer to 3 times the price of the Tesla for a nominal upgrade in performance.
Thats insane...unfortunately for Lucid they'll be lucky to survive...theres just no market right now for 300K EV's
Comments like these just make me wonder how dumb some people truly are. Why do u think performance is the ONLY determination of price? Really? Look at the interior or a lucid then a tesla and get back too me. One is dull and basic that screams cost cutting and looks exactly like the model 3 which is 20k and the other is actually luxury. Same thing with u people saying the taycan cost more. No shihhhh. Its a LUXURY BRAND IN PORSCHE. TESLA ISNT A LUXURY BRAND
Plaid in track mode is actually a beast for spectator drag events. I think it handles so much better in corners
I feel like he is a Lucid fan boy… for double the price you get more insulation and 200 more hp…
And you get a car that is actually luxury un like that fake pleder aka leather.
You won't understand why it's worth the $250K until you've driven one back to back with a Plaid. I've been in a LOT of Teslas. Their handling is ABYSMAL. On a windy road, I would never trust a Tesla to function in an emergency situation if I have to brake while turning a blind corner, for instance. Bad handling isn't just an enthusiast problem, it's a safety problem. A car that's properly balanced in all its inputs - steering, brake, and accelerator - and therefore handles well is also a safer car because it won't do anything you don't tell it to do.
Bruh , he is not , he said the lucid is the more refined car than tesla and he is absolutely right.
@@nofsgiven3855 Don't forget the long list of compromises and stuff you have to "get used to."
No instrument panel
No HUD
No stocks
No steering wheel
WOW! LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO LUCID SAPPHIRE 🏁🏆🥳🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉🎉🙌💎💎💎💎
Video sp0nsored by Lucid Air 😬
Tesla fanboy?
@@krane15 video where a guy hate Tesla during whole video not sponsored? Use your brain!
@@andreym325making excuses as if the sapphire isn’t gonna dust the plaid none the less 😂
You get what you pay for. At $89k the plaid must be a total piece of garbage.
It is. It gets hyped because of Elon though.
You can pick up a used plaid for $65,000 right now
U cant make car videos without knowing some basic details of the cars. Next time u racing with the Tesla Model S Plaid, put it to Track Mode and unleash the dragon
plaid track package is way way bettter tho. saw someone raced it on Nurburgring and it perform really well. i dont know how much did lucid paid you guys to do such a comparison lol.
Lmfao cope harder. Your Plaid got smoked by a luxury sedan.
Lucid is a great looking car. Odd for EV's minus a very few select vehicles. All for it.
Model S vs electric Passat
Sapphire's price of 2.8 Model S Plaids makes it kind of a joke. Anybody can do incredible things with that kind of money. Sapphire is an academic exercise that will never have any production relevance. Why don't you guys compare the AMG E63 to a Honda Accord next time?
Porsche GT3RS is a joke compared to a Corvette. Your point?
@@SahnDeayGohhis point is that comparing a $90k car to a $250k car is kind of silly on the face of it
@@SahnDeayGoh Went over your head.
@@BlakeDaSnake25 You weren't saying anything about price when the Plaid beat expensive supercars. It's only silly when the Tesla loses.
@@TonyStone3000That part
In summary: You have to add +1 motor and double the price to win a drag race to the Tesla Model S Plaid by just 0,5 seconds. lol No thanks.
What about software? UI? Charging?
Irrelevant since a Lucidowner does not only have one car
I mean, who can afford a $90k car, much less a quarter million car??? Surely not me!!
Move to a big city and you’ll see thousands of $100K+ cars on a daily basis.
I guess it’s time for the elusive “Plaid+”
No, they already have the Roadster coming for that performance range
@@philippeferreiradesousa4524 I don’t think the Roadster is comparable to a Sapphire.
Crazy how its slower than a m140i with an upgraded turbo
I really don't see getting Tesla if you can afford even a mid range Lucid instead.
Tesla software is much better
@@mluu510 and better-charging infrastructure.
Lucid cars are plagued with QC issues from the roof lining coming off to the steering wheel squeaking
@@Just_a_random_birb that won't be much of an issue once Tesla provides an adapter and open all their chargers later this year
@@mluu510 Well there is also the fact that Lucid might not even be a company in a few years. As of right now, they lose nearly $430K per vehicle they sell while already being pretty expensive. The only reason they're still afloat is the Saudis funding them, which I highly doubt will last
I think I saw the trap speed at the half mile as 163-165mph, while the quarter mile is around 152-156. I would assume the sapphire is TS limited too because there is no way with this sort of HP the speed would absolutely flatten out like is denoted here.
Tbh Lucid is just luxury. Insane performance. I feel like teslas will always represent middle class American families. A plaid is js insane you can pick one up currently for around 60k a 2021 plaid. For 60k there is not many cars out there that can compete with it. But the Sapphire is js overall insane
Over twice the price, - meaning, almost 3x the price. Plaid is $90k, Lucid Air Sapphire is $250k. Also, the yoke argument? Come on. It's not even standard in 2024. Let's focus on the facts, please, Motortrend!
The facts are that this 250k$ also beats a 2.6 million $ Bugatti Chiron. Your point being again?
Plaid is 200k cope harder
@@ericship8383 Plaid is $89,990. Please learn to use the Internet.
I don't like the half a steering wheel thingy.