Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine, and Gregory the Great (Part 3 of 3)
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- In this third and final part of our series on the Church Fathers, Bishop Barron examines four influential Fathers from the post-Nicene period: John Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine, and Gregory the Great. A listener asks whether to pray for people who are sick or simply accept pain and suffering as part of God’s plan.
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2:54 - Chrysostom
9:40 - Jerome
14:12 - Augustine
21:56 - Gregory the Great
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I' m a catholic from Amstelveen, The Netherlands , thank you very much for your video's it help me a lot.
in Croatia - and especially in Dalmatia, we're very fond of saint Jerome
I remember in my religion class back in middleschool my teacher would oft mention him
as another person in the comment section said - God bless you both and your ministries :>
I would love to be in attendance at one of Bishop Barron’s speaking engagements someday. I find him to be inspirational and personally edifying.
Yes, my Dad read St. Augustine’s “Confessions” over and over, finding some new insight every time! I’m going to start reading it more often too. Thank you ,Bishop Barron and Brandon, for a very interesting video. It’s always great to hear from you.
Thank you dear Bishop Barron for being wonderful Priest that you are 🙏🙏🙏🌟✨💫
Yes Thank you Bishop Barron!
yeah could not agree more-from goa india
Greetings from Croatia. God bless you both and your ministries
Wow! I loved the series on the Fathers of the Church!!! Thank you Brandon and bishop Baron for giving me the desire to learn more about them! God bless you!
Faith, Hope, Love,
Almighty God’s providences for us to accomplish His purpose for The Church-AMEN 🙏🏾
Your excellency Bishop Robert Barron, You're a gift and blessing from Heaven to the Church. “Running to the hills” is the search of the daily "White Martyrdom" in the 400-600s in the East. Constantine made Christianity Legal so (red) persecution stopped. The saints focused on living evangelical counsels, and we in the consecrated life this white martyrdom today.
As a doctor I find it very helpful, and indeed, I ask my whole bible study to pray many times (without names, of course). Prayer for the sick asks for physical healing, but also spiritual healing of the patient and the family as well as prayers for preparation for facing suffering and death. In addition, when I tell my patients I am praying for them they are usually quite touched and comforted to know that the steward of their health cares also about their total being.
Yes, like Jesús was doing praying to God Father and healing every Day his will. Thank you to God!😇😇😇 Thank you Mommy Mary!
As a "cradle catholic" I'm so glad i discovered this channel. It really helps me explain things to my friends who aren't catholic. Also if anyone wants to check out my church look up "Texas Bucket List, Our Lady Of Guadalupe. The Priest with the Pups" on TH-cam. Father Roy is a very sweet man who kept me from losing my faith.
Cradle Catholic? May i ask what that is? I mean, aside from a Cradle of Filth reference. Just being born and raised in the faith/church?
-Guy who wears Lamb of God t's to protestant church
I LOOOVE these and hope more episodes on the Church Fathers are to come at some point!
Bishop Robert J. Barron your answer was inspired by the Holy Spirit! I thank God for the wonderful Teacher you are!
I'm praying Jesus continually blesses you with excellent health, life, and mental abilities forever.
I enjoyed this 3-part series on the Church Fathers very much--very informative. Thank you very much.
BB does the intellectual so well. One of a kind.
True, but in all honesty, this is Church Fathers 101. I'm not Eastern Orthodox, but they tend to be a bit more versed in the Church Fathers.
Bishop Robert Barron is also the golden throated one.
Thanks for the book recommendations 100%
Finally! Was looking forward to Part 3 of this series
@ vaMukanya Gudoguru
Agreed! These were great. Barron is so good at capturing essence succinctly. I wish, I hope, he does more. Hearing about the Patristics really helps to widen the aperture, rather than limiting exposure to one or two Doctors, thus risking a distortion or overreach or over rotation within Christianity.
@@oscarprogresso Totally agree. Bishop Barron is a tremendous blessing
So love your homilies,
Father
Baron particularly the one on
Thomas
More. So universal in its approach
Mary Therese Parker
This should be a series
Bishop Barron, I hope and I wish that you include the great Armenian saint and poet, St. Gregory of Narek (10th century saint) who was declared as a doctor of the Church by Pope Francis, in one of your shows. His book of lamentations is an exceptional piece of literature and a spiritual jewel.
I was skeptical about whether his book could be translated to other languages bc of it’s unique vocabulary and spiritual depth. And I found out that I was right in my speculation. None of the translations do him justice.
Bishop Barron, I enjoy listening to your videos and I consider you to be one of the most educated people/clergy of our time. God bless you, and Brendon too.
Thanks much for this video.
Amazing as always. Would be more powerful with PICTURES of the Father and PICTURES if covers of book recommendations. Thank you !
Great breakdown. Also on a side note: Minnesota , myself included, is very blessed to have you. Thank you for praying for us.
Awesome! These last 3 part series has been the best.
The 4th Wise Man - the most wonderful Christmas Carol ever written.
Thank you so much for this wonderful series! God bless you!
If I may say,
Chrysostom rarely touches on the allegorical understanding of Scripture, but he maintained his holiness. Jerome of Stridon was really good for quite a few years, I am not sure why he wandered off after that. I am so glad that he preserved the teachings of Origen Adamantius, the number one systematic theologian.
I do appreciate that Augustine had a change of heart after spending most of his life in heresy.
I absolutely love the teachings of Gregory The Great, especially, when he expounds on the metaphors and allegories in Sefer Iyov.
Bishop Barron please speak to the Pope of the importance of Fatima.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in such a wonderful way that made this so beautiful and enjoyable to listen to and learn from it. I will be going back to listen again!
That was a good series, thank you
Like before watching every time! Love these videos!
Listened in February 2024. Quite a lot happened since this broadcast. Your series has been very interesting, although I need to see Part 2 again as I missed the end. Since you have made this we have suffered the covid pandemic, and your former colleague, Bishop David O'Connell has been tragically murdered. but on the positive side St Irenaeus has been made a Doctor of the Church, and you have been made a Diocesan Bishop.
Were you able to return to California to attend Bishop David's funeral and do you think he will be /should be declared a Martyr?
From 2022-- Irenaeus is a Doctor of the Church now!!!!
O Jesus and Mary, teach us: Faith, Hope and Love. Ps 18:21, Mt 1:17
“The only true riches are those that make us rich in virtue. Therefore, if you want to be rich, beloved, love true riches.”
😇 St Gregory the Great please pray with us.
Jerome had the same temper as the todays people in south Croatia. Jerome said 'Forgive me God because I am Dalmatinac' (lat. 'Parce mihi, Domine, quia Dalmata sum') in context of his temper. Croats in south Croatia still call themselfs 'Dalmatinci' in the regional context.
There is a theory that Jeronim invented unique croatian letters named 'glagoljica'. There are no solid evidence but it was belif among croatian people. In 1468. Croats called Jeronim Croatian (in 'Petrisov zbornik'). 1248. pope Inocencije IV. noted that among the Croats there is that beleif.
Please pray for my wife
Thanks for this series on the Church Fathers... Now do another one for the medieval scholastics. XD
Chrysostom wrote the Liturgy used most in the Eastern Orthodox Church. His is greatly venerated.
What is that prayer Bishop Barron refers to at the end of the podcast? If I'm puzzled etc...
Hello Bishop Barron, would you consider discussing please the differences betweem mercy and license? Thank you.
@Peter the hermit
I’ve heard this definition of mercy a lot. It seems to be the primary emphasis of understanding mercy in Western Christianity. However, I’ve heard the same defined by Eastern Christianity more as a healing action; not as much forensic or juridical. As a prime example, the practice of the Jesus Prayer. (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.) Rather than understanding mercy as a repetitious groveling, a fearful request to not be punished, it’s more a prayer asking our Savior to heal us, to apply a healing balm to our wounds and sickness, to restore us to good spiritual health.
Reading De Civitate Dei right now and it is extraordinary how in depth St. Augustine goes to defend Christianity - not only from Paganism but of his former belief, Manichaeism, Neo-Platonism and the fact that he uses very little scripture throughout the first few books - it would seem that the Aeneid was more known to him than the Bible. However, come the final books, St. Augustine really explores Christian and philosophical thought. It is really quite beautiful to see how he plans ahead and links between his efforts. And so I say St. Augustine says, ‘join me in rendering thanks to God, Amen. Amen.’.
Augustine was Luther's main inspiration & was a proto-calvinist
I love Augustine's rationalism and Gregory's spiritualism! Jerome's historism is pretty good too. As far as Chrysostom I'm completely ignorant.
Chrysostom was amazing! Look up some of his homilies! Chrysostom means "golden mouth" because was such a good preacher
Augustine was Luther's main inspiration & was a proto-calvinist
Upcoming WOF video series: The Fathers ???😊
If there can be no inclusion into the body of Christ without repentance, can license be granted for that?
What's Word on Fire without Bishop Robert Barron?? -Word on Smoke. Alright Imma walk myself out.
Have you ever thought about how on earth there must be death for life to continue?
Thirty minutes is not enough to take on these topics. Brandon, after the 30 minutes with the Bishop could you go deeper?
haha - there's DOCTORAL thesis on this stuff - to plumb the depths you will need to buy a deep water sub.
Interesting
Salvation by faith not by reason. Salvation by the grace, will of Jesus not by your free will but by the will of the Holy Ghost that guides you. Not by what you do but by what you believe. "Creed not deed." Is the path to salvation. "🤔😉😎😇
HAVE YOU EVER READ PELAGIUS COMMENTARY ON THE ROMANS?
NO. WHY? IS IT REALLY REALLY GOOD!?
I kind of think that the ultimate surrender would be just fasting and praying. If it fails you die to starvation but at least you get to say I gave my all to the one who literally gave it all to save me. Yes I understand there's some self interest in saying all that...
Ultimate surrender is understanding that Christ paid the price for sin on the cross once and for all. Faith produces good works, not visa versa. But yes, if you will do that out of love for Him and others or if He calls you to it, then do it :)
You were saved the day you accepted Christ into your life. There is nothing you can do to make yourself “more saved” as faith is what saves you.
@@edbrooke75 Yup. Talking more about sanctifiction.
Jerome's criticism is expressed against Augistine with the mode of the one who is be all end all. I totally relate. But at the end of the day it comes down to the critique of one who is trying to be good against another who is doing the same.
Doctor of the church is merely a person who expresses dogma in an articulate way. There are those who express Christ in a greater manner but lack the articulation.
Re: Q&A. I don’t think it’s the Catholic position that our life is pre-determined.
I agree Silvester. I would like Bishop Barron to address this point. That comment was made in a context about praying for the sick; he may just not have wanted to complicate the answer.
elizabeth crist I agree with you. That’s the only downside of social media that attention span is short and hence our Bishop needed to address the core of the question only
Actually the Cathecism talks about predestination, but a the the same time we choose our actions with our free will.
God knows what we'll do, but he doesn't force us to do it. Kind of like how you know a person so well that you know how she would react.
Obviously, in the context of a sickness, free will doesn't have much place as it's mostly a natural process, so predestination becomes much more "determined".
"Did not suffer fools gladly -"did not believe in democracy?Or basic christian communities?
To be fair to him, not believing in Democracy is fairly standard for pre moderns. Can’t say much for what he thought about communities, but we kind of have to accept anti democrats in history if we’re going to learn anything from it.
Per se
Croatia is not eastern europe,its central europe
I love the idea of "bending the knee" to the two great apostles to the Jew and the Gentiles. I just wish there was more emphasis on worshiping Jesus. Yes I understand the former is respect and the latter is total surrender but still...
NOT-guilty of ( insurance)- FRAUD!
Can there be inclusion into the body of Christ without repentance?
How can one clearly identify ones path of redemption and retribution before clearly identifying one has sinned, before repentance?
1jn 1:8-10
No.....confession (through The Son, to the Father), then necessarily repentance....turning from that sin, having agreed with God about it.....and receiving His forgiveness according to His plan....of atonement and redemption.
1 John 1:8-10
This is my understanding as a Reformed believer
No. Repentance means "a change of mind". It is a decision to turn from sin to God and then believe in Christ who will lead you by His strength out of sin.
two facts should cause us to be very cautious when giving too much credit to the 'church fathers'. Paul's warning at Acts 20:28-30 where he fortold that 'amoung the leaders of the church 'men would arise and speak twisted things'. And secondly the fact that the Hellenist culture of greek philosophy was so prevelent and admired by all interllectuals that it greatly influenced the church fathers reasonings & subsequesnt writings! We only need the New testement for our faith!