Understanding Genesis: Abraham and Isaac
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- Friends, today we continue our "Word on Fire Show" series on how to understand Genesis by discussing Abraham and Isaac. Watch and learn about these two pivotal figures in salvation history.
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Protestant here enjoying the intelligence of your bishop.
It’s true we enjoy his take on holy scriptures
Me as well. He is a fascinating person. Some of his talks dont sound much different from RC Sproul which maybe should be a clue that whether Catholic or Protestant true is true.
@@mikefaber3567 at the end of the day we are both Christian brothers and sisters
It is not " intelligence" Is the Holy Spirit that dwells in the Cathoic Church who dwells in, leads and guides the Apostles since 33 AD.
Wisdom of God!!!
Another Protestant here, love his teaching of scripture.
The Holy Spiri that Dwells in the Church, inspired her to make the Bible in 382AD!!! Pope Damasus I declared the Bible to be " The Word of God"!!!
There was no bjble for 3.5 centuries!!!
I don't remember how I found WOF, but I can say that I would not still consider myself a Catholic if I had not found Bp. Barron's videos explaining Church teaching on pertinent topics. Now I cannot get enough of more knowledge about God and the faith, and I have finally found something that will forever be a well of love and knowledge like I never knew I had been searching for.
Bishop, if you're reading this, thank you for all that you do. God bless, and Viva Cristo Rey!
I'm sure that your story will inspire and you will be a great witness☆ God bless you☆
Church teachings are not necessarily biblical
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Bible doesn't contain everything that we need to know any way. So what's the big issue?
@@marypinakat8594 It is when its misleading about Bible truths.
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The Bible has always been interpreted right by the Catholic Church. I hope you know that it is the Church that produced the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
I’m so grateful I am Catholic!🙏
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Hi Bishop, I’m a lapsed Catholic at the moment, but that status may change. I’m enjoying this podcast and appreciate your efforts.
I hope you continue participating in podcasts with the likes John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau and Jordan Peterson. I listened with great interest to The Four Horsemen of Meaning podcast. I’m beginning to feel proud of my Catholic heritage once more.
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I was also a lapsed Catholic. I went to confession after eighteen years and it was the best thing I was ever called to do. The first thing that the priest said after I told him how long it had been was to tell me “welcome home.” There’s always a home for you in the body of Christ.
Do come home. You will always be welcome. Go to your nearest Catholic Church and see the Parish Priest who will reconcile you.
I am a student of the universe and Christ is my savior. I am still learning to trust that's for sure. Thank you bishop for your work.
Thanks bishop for this teaching...
Hello everyone...
Greetings from Flores Indonesia...
God bless 🙏
*"If it is real 'faith' it is calling for a 'trust' beyond our capacity to know and control."*
- BISHOP ROBERT BARRON
Though I am not a Catholic I truly enjoy your teaching Bishop Barron. Thank you.
I hope the powers that be know you're maintaining and changing the faith one video at a time. Ive been brought back to God simply by listening and trusting your words
Greetings from London! Thank You Bp. Barron, Brandon, and the WOF team - please come to London when Covid is settled.
Yes please come to England - and especially Salisbury!
Sir, you are one of the best...Thank You...
Beautiful..i didnt know how much was involved in the story of Isaac..thank you Bishop Barron God bless you.
Catholic teaching as usual!!! Thank you Lord Jesus Christ, King of Eternal Glory!!!
This has been the most densely informative and hugely enlightening session ever. Such a magnificent delving in. Thanks ever so much Bishop and Brandon☆
A history buff! I new there was a reason I liked you. Always wanted to see west point
Glory to GOD! Thanks for this teaching. So timely! This can't be a coincidence. I'm in a situation where I "heard GOD's voice" and was obedient but began doubting when things got difficult. Needed this! Thank you.
God has blessed us with Bishop Baron
"when the rescue operation started..", so beautifully put bishop. God bless you, your excellency. Thank you so much for constantly teaching.
Thank you Bishop Barron and Brandon, i love watching and listening to both of you on Word on Fire show. i will never miss any of your videos. Bishop Barron, your talk on Abraham and isaac from the book of Genesis, was very very interesting, and I'm looking forward to hear your next talk on Jacob. GOD bless you both. Stay safe. ➕❤
Insightful. Enlightening. Informative. Greetings from South Africa.
I got to know you thanks to Dr. Jordan Peterson. I am a Christian in Korea. Korea has serious problems with feminist politics. We see, hear, and communicate these issues frequently in the world, but I think Korea is also a country with very serious problems worldwide. In addition, the contradiction of the judicial system, the problem that men are not protected even if they become unfair criminals, false reports in education and the media, and false interpretation of statistics are serious political incitement. And because the politically-biased middle-age generation (to protect democratic politics) is so advocate for this issue, it has become a bigger mainstream, and many churches are prioritizing their teachings over the Bible. Many young men and women (especially men) are struggling. This is a huge barrier to entering the church. So please add more Korean subtitles to your videos in the future. It will help us a lot. thank you.
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Jordan is on its way to become a catholic!!! After wandering astray from God all his life...his independent studies and searching in the Bible led, led him to the Church of the Bible!!
Thank you Brandon & Bishop Barron. Greetings from Kerkrade!
Thanks. You've touched me with this talk on Abraham this morning in Ireland. Good on you.
Thank you for teaching the Covenant. God bless you Bishop.
Interesting title of the "Father of Many Nations".Something to look forward to on Monday.
to be honest? Im so happy youtubers and podcast creators are doing this "dialogue" with the bible and explaining why it is what it is.
Im waiting or Im gonna be searching for the "understanding Genesis" and the Revelations episodes if ever there is one from this chanell because I think its fascinating 🤗...
Im personally looking forward to Ecclesiastes tho because I think that book would help me in my life.
thank you for this Padre and word on fire
The explanation given regarding Abraham sacrificing Isaac is thought provoking and beautiful.
My take on the story never included the possibility that a sacrifice would occur. I read it as God drawing the line in the sand. I assumed, (yes, I know what’s said about assuming) that human sacrifice wasn’t necessarily an uncommon occurrence among the various tribes who worshipped a number of deities in that part of the world.
Again, I assumed that Abraham‘s tribe, prior to the covenant, practiced a pagan religion not unlike that of other tribes. I seem to remember that each tribe worshiped different gods, and it wasn’t particularly uncommon to see human sacrifice being practiced.
The Abraham/Isaac story seemed to show God telling his people that He didn’t want or require human sacrifice.
And again, I assumed the God of Abraham wanted to demonstrate just how different he was, so different that he revealed to Abraham that no god existed but Him. Human sacrifice was now a thing of the past, and was not required to love and trust him.
I suppose I couldn’t conceive that the lesson God wanted to deliver, could have ended in human sacrifice as a way to appease him.
I considered the sacrifice that Jesus made, as God sacrificing himself, not as an appeasement to an angry god who demands blood and fear as entertainment, but as a demonstration of his love for humanity. Even today I find it difficult to understand the deeper meaning associated with sacrifice.
Perhaps, in the ancient world the image and meaning associated with sacrifice, whether human or animal, held a significance in antiquity that is hard to understand today.
If it’s relevant enough, I like to hear you discuss the behind the scenes significance of sacrifice in the ancient world. And how or why the crucifixion seemed so relevant to people 2000 years ago.
If God had delayed the incarnation 2000 years, It’s hard to imagine anyone would find the image of God being nailed to a cross a compelling reason to take notice. Timing is everything I suppose.
"My father was a wandering Aramean"
Deuteronomy 26:5
When you travel in the middle East and get to know the peoples, religions and cultures Abraham is their patriarch. Syriac Christians like Maronites, Chaldeans and Assyrians believe Abraham was originally one of them before he left for Canaan. In fact today there's a Christian community today recognized by the knssest called Arameans. I highly recommend reading up on Israeli-Aramean-Maronite-Aramaic activist Shadi Khollul of the philos project. Israelis believe Abraham gave birth to their nation as well as Samaritans who still exist(about 1000) today mostly in Nabulus. I also recommend reading up on a real life good Samaritan Abood Cohen who does a lot of good work to build bridges between peoples. Of course Arabs believe they are descended from Ishmael and even the Baha'is a religion from Persia believe their prophet is connected through Abraham's forgotten third wife Keturah.
"You know, for the longest time I thought you were Jewish. But your father was a Syrian Christian.
Isn’t that interesting? I must have a Jewish soul. And Syria is not Arab-Syria is Semites. We’re all cousins. I wonder why we don’t get along together better. God help us"
American-Assyrian-actor F. Murray Abraham
"If Iraq were a tree then Chaldeans would be its leaves"
American-Chaldean poet-Ann Esshaki
“The Aramean Christians consider themselves as a brother people of the Jewish people.”
Israeli-Aramean-Maronite-Aramaic activist Shadi Khalloul
@@russellmiles2861 : Hi Russell, I appreciate your response. And your commentary sheds some much needed light into what seems at first glance, to be a very sticky and hard to justify move by God. If the context is narrowly defined as: I am God and if you really love me, then you will kill your son to prove it. Doesn’t square with the belief that God represents the highest possible expression of good.
I’ll read with interest the entire narrative as you suggested. Thanks!
@@loveandmercy9664 : Wow- you’ve given me a serious homework assignment. I will enjoy researching the peoples you brought to my attention.
The human proclivity to divide ourselves into discordant groups even when their foundational beliefs are identical or nearly identical is, indeed, a source of bewilderment.
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I didn’t understand, but I think I do now. Respectfully, I don’t think morality as it is usually thought of, is possible without God. I’m not a Bible scholar so I can’t comment on your question with anything but a superficial explanation that probably isn’t what you are looking for.
Generally speaking, all people from all societies share a surprisingly similar relationship to morality. IE: lying, murder, being fair, etc. Cultures do differ widely, but the core values remain the same. The scripture tells us that his law, his morality and his expectations are written in our hearts.
Your comment about seeing within the scriptures a pattern indicating that God blesses those who follow their own ideas about what is good or evil is hard to make. If we are talking about the God of Abraham, there isn’t alternative sets of values or moralities to choose from. We do have free will and we can exercise that powerful gift for good or ill. But what I don’t see in your example is the following: A coherent narrative throughout scripture indicating that God blesses those who: stand up to him, disregard his council and do whatever they think is the right thing to do.
Moments in scripture, like the story of Abraham and Isaac, do illustrate that God honors man’s agency. We have a choice. However, the hope, I think is to recognize and honor the greatest possible good- God.
The stories seem to show God trying to help his creation, the beings he created in his own image. Which includes all the attributes of God: free will, creativity, intelligence etc. And then learn how to live and appreciate that incredibly important and unimaginably wonderful, powerful and sacred gift.
When people choose their own morality and see themselves as not a reflection of his image, but in essence see themselves as the highest good. The whole of world history shows us the results of that move. Men acting like they are God- the obvious results of taking that attitude has given us horrific examples of human suffering.
Believers in God, at least the Judeo Christian concept of God, believe that they are reflections or patterns of what He is. The stories we see in scripture when man and God are in the thick of what we think of as troubling examples that bring to bear something as hard to understand as human sacrifice. I think these lessons show us how important it is that we, not God, need to understand what it can mean for humanity, or a single human being to be like him.
For example, the mafia has its own sense of morality and guards it with death penalties for those who step out of line. They do operate within a moral framework, but at the bottom, it’s not based upon the highest good, God. It’s based upon the lowest instincts of man, greed, power, etc. So I don’t think that God’s message to us, is to disregard what it means to be good.
I wish I could have answered your question at the depth you asked it, but I did all I could do with it.
God bless you my friend!
@@russellmiles2861 abrs h am was an old man beore he realized that God could even resurrection his son!!! After promising him his descendant would be many nations...." If it is possible, take away this cup from me...but your will be done"!!!not mine....
Love listening to all homilies from Bishop Barron USA and Fr. Oluoma Nigeria, I am amazed at the similarities of such different styles. They both enrich my spiritual life and understanding. May God bless them more.
Different styles but the same Spirit and Lord Jesus chrust !!! We have different talents
right on with Kierkegaard
This was beautiful and interesting. Thank you and God Bless WOF :)
Boa Vista, RR, Brazil. Present.
Thanks for clarity on this important book of the old testament
I always appreciate these videos. I do think there’s more going on than simply Abraham’s faith being an example of what is required for personal commitment. Abraham was chosen to start the events that would undo the tragedy of the garden, and begin the whole process of salvation. Would he pass the test? Or would someone else need to be found who would listen and therefore become the father of our faith?
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As always, I fing Bishop Barrens pod cast totally fascinating! God bless!
So many touch downs in that game. It’s kind of prophetic in that the Church scores numerous touchdowns on our journey to God’s glorious wedding feast 🎉
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the body of Christ, the church
has brothers and sisters
in Christ of different faiths
and religions.
The other day
on Christian channel, "Enlace" brother Bishop Robert Barron
was speaking in English,
the Christian Spanish channel translated
what he said
We Christians are the church
@@irisgonzalez-caulder9352 christians are the church and the church is His Bride and as we come more in union and accord with Him we become His Body 🔥
It would seem that Abraham knew (or had faith) that his son Isaac would not actually die, evident when he said to his servants “we will worship and come back to you” and he answered Isaac that “God himself will provide the sheep for Holocaust.”
If Abraham is my 'Father in faith' I always pictured an old saintly man setting out the journey (I happened to be a character too simple) with a head so full of the 'ritual' that lay ahead and a heavy heart so wrenched with pain. Even now I think that Abraham, in both the instances was not answering but 'putting together words that would sound normal in face of the queries. *Having faith in GOD cancels ANYTHING that GOD MIGHT DO or WON'T DO but fills one's attitude with 'GOD KNOWS BEST and I AM WILLING TO GIVE ALL'* (this is just me.)
Listening to Bishop and Brandon has been great comfort, just to give some room for thinking that it wasn't that bad after all.
Thank you for your work
Thanks for the thoughts about the sacrifice of Isaac. That one always seemed much too much. Your discussion helped lots.
I would also suggest. Since Abraham told the other companions that both he and Isaac would return, it may also be an example of Abrahams faith, but even more , his radical trust of God.
Faith, in the primordial sense, means trust
Bishop Barron I had aunt and uncle lived in Newburgh NY my uncle in Korean war,so we went to West point alot
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Bishop, could you please, one day, explain the book of Revelation to us?
One step at a time
Come to Vancouver, Canada, we have lots of rain.
I am beginning to understand the idea of God and the reasonability of the Bible...
Would love to see Jolene the dog that was in your reddit AMA in one of your videos 😇
Very broadminded of you, a baroque cat, wanting to see a dog. Jolene must be quite the pooch.
faith = trust = fides querens and fides querens intellectum... nice said
Praise The Lord! The words someone will take your hand that is Peter's which means that The Holy Spirit will lead him and us.
If Faith is trust then what is trust ?
What specifically constitute the Faith?
Abraham left his Fathers house which was a tribe , did not stay to climb its ladder.
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A discussion that helped me right now, whose voice am I listening to? God made me hear and my faith in Christ was rekindled in a new way today! I wonder if Abraham is "a or the" father of a primitive understanding of the Resurrection? (See Hebrews 11:17-18 NRSRCe, 17 By faith Abraham, when put to the test, offered up Isaac. He who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son, 18 of whom he had been told, “It is through Isaac that descendants shall be named for you.” 19 He considered the fact that God is able even to raise someone from the dead-and figuratively speaking, he did receive him back.)
That's the hurted all when someone else had to guide us by hand
I am a fervent believer in God , in Our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, I have a question about Abraham and Isaac on Mount Moraya.
Could Abraham have taken Isaac to Mount Moraya for a burnt offering if God didn't bestow so many favors onto Abraham first?
In other words, if our Lord God's first "meeting request" of Abraham was: sacrifice your son Isaac to me in a burnt offering, would Abraham have followed our Lord God's request?
My understanding of Christ sacrifice is the correction on God's part of the covenant-- Basically, saying 'I screed up! Not you" I take responsibility for the fall, the entry of sin, the wound, the accident whatever you want to call the incident where there was a 'virus' that entered perfection. This trope about humans disobeying does harm at a soul level. Putting it on us. We respond certainly to the call. But we cannot take the fall for the FALL. That's a burden we were never meant to bear.
Amen
We in our urban environment don't appreciate the number of stars. Go to the wilderness, high on a mountain, or in a desert away from lights, and you will see a true panorama of stars, not dimmed by our own lights... That's what Abraham would have seen...
Convoy design/ security that saved lives ( but not enough ).
Abraham and Isaac, seems a foreshadowing of worse to come for a parent. As a human parent, and a Christian, I can go right up to the chopping block, but then I stop , and I would start asking a lot of questions and have alternative suggestions… the wrestling with God or his angels…describes me. I understand the why part, the faith part…. There is a beautiful song, Mary, did you know…? That’s what I would like to know.
Someone else will take you (Peter) where you don’t want to go, it’s the Holy Spirit assertion? Where does it say the Holy Spirit in that verse?
Dr. Doug Petrovich I believe has the correct interpretation of creation check it out.
He teaches Hebrew and Greek among other important subjects
The scripture says, “God is not a man that He should lie. Has He ever spoken and failed to act? Has He ever promised and not carried it through?” God has never failed in the past, and He’s not going to start with you. Stay in faith and stay open. It may not happen your way or on your timetable, but God is true to His word. When you’re constantly saying, “God, You promised,” that’s what allows Him to bring promises to pass.
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Bishop Barron, did the Samaritan Woman accept the proposal to marry Jesus? And when you mean, Jesus proposed, does it mean being married to Jesus and not having any earthly husband at all?
This is out of left field but this episode title reminds me of the falling-off-fundamentalist-Christian-inspired videogame, "The Binding of Isaac." Again, it's totally out of left-field but I thought it was a cool mention.
Nicely relevant comment☆ Thank you☆
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I’d love a video about Sarai and the story explained. It doesn’t sit right with me what she did to that slave girl and how is Abraham a righteous man sleeping with someone other than his wife?
So i got and did twilight is a sin???? Not right or yes???
God creates man destroys in the name of God
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God said to Abraham, “kill me a son.” Abe said, “man, you must be putting me on.”
What's that smirk supposed to mean? Does he have any issues with listening to the falling rain for an hour? Or with being philosophical? ... Obviously he understands neither!
land represents consciousness
a return to the womb as garden
on earth as it is in heaven...a consciousness now that we are promised in our intimacy with the Lord
Anyone here?
The chasm between the radical nature of God’s project for man as conveyed to Abraham and what lands in me as the lame demands from my Church worries me deeply. Grace cheapened by a gimpy request from last Sunday’s sermon to give God five minutes of my day in prayer does not incite my 77 year old soul to love God more than any of my « Isaacs ».
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I hope Bishop Barron doesn't miss doing an episode on the father of the Arabs Ishmael in this series. Even Josephus referred to the Arabs as Ishmaelites. Even before there was descent Arab Christian tribes like the Ghassainds and the Christian of Narjan.
Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
See, darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the peoples,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
“Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Herds of camels will cover your land,
young camels of Midian and Ephah.
And all from Sheba will come,
bearing gold and incense
and proclaiming the praise of the Lord.
All Kedar’s flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.
Isaiah 60:1-7
The explanation of the division of Abram's sacrifices, from my book in progress:
(Gen 15:1) ‘Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward’. Surely Abram was in great consternation over the results of the battle and feared any future retribution from the northern kingdoms, or possibly even conflict with his now enriched neighbors. Being consoled by the first part of the vision, Abram, lamentably, did not fully comprehend its latter part. Abram was being offered a portion within the eternal rest and bosom of God. The Almighty himself had become his reward and safeguard, but having humility and the things of the world in mind, he questioned the reason for any further reward when he responded, “Sovereign Lord, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” So we see the devaluation of the highest promise, reduced to comparison to the gifts of a perishable nature: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir...Look up to the sky and count the stars-if indeed you can count them. So shall your offspring be.”
This time Abram believed God, and this was credited to him as righteousness. Stars in the heavens are much better than dust in the wind. By their light are many lead through dark paths and their years will be many. Yet his offspring have to dwell somewhere, and so he speaks again to complete the promise, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.” Grace is obviously lost at this point when doubt answers back, “Sovereign Lord, how can I know that I will gain possession of it?” At this point we have the revelation of the future division of the promise. It will not be enjoyed fully, but suffer rupture. What is the heifer (Numbers 19) except the loss of an object just short of its potential, that leaves nothing behind, and the ensuing loss becomes the purifying salve for uncleanness, kept as a reminder. As a leader, Abram must bring the goat (Lev 4:22). For carelessly swearing, the dove and young pigeon (Lev 5:7), because at this point he cannot afford the Lamb. For sinning unintentionally regarding the The Lord’s holy things, the ram (Lev 5:15). Hell is open and the scavengers of the sky make their best effort to defile what is left vulnerable and in the open. Despite his best efforts he’s overcome by exhaustion at twilight and falls into a thick and dreadful sleep, wherefrom God speaks to him directly for the first time, “Know thou beforehand that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land not their own, and they shall bring them under bondage, and afflict them four hundred years. But I will judge the nation which they shall serve, and after this they shall come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace, and be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall return hither: for as yet the iniquities of the Ammorites are not at the full until this present time.”
Here you see clearly the reason for each animal and why they were divided.
Its time for us to ask ourselves "What is Vatican II? Did Vatican II change or alter what we believe? Did it choose to ignore prior Church teaching?"
These questions need to be addressed:
A consideration of Vatican II using the concepts of genus and species.
Without getting into the historical background, inner workings and doctrinal details of the Vatican II documents and rather relying on what most Catholics know about it the following analogy I think is most revealing:
Aristotle says that the natural way of learning and coming to know things is from the generic to the more specific. Just as when we see something moving in the distance we first identify it as a body and then as it moves closer an animal and even closer a man and finally as this particular person Socrates.
Now it needs to be understood that there is a difference between our knowledge of a thing and the thing itself. Our knowledge is always more generic than the thing itself existing in reality which is very specific. If someone were to give the definition of the species of a thing instead of giving the definition of the genus of that thing one would give a more precise and fuller account of the thing. In other words the more specific our knowledge becomes of something the closer our knowledge resembles the thing. The truer our knowledge is, in the sense of having more truth - adeguatio res et intellectus.
This is the natural way man comes to know. To try to move in the opposite direction is unatural and against human nature. To try to forget what one already KNOWS about something in order to know it more generically is an act of violence against oneself. It would entail force that goes against one's own nature.
Now what is more generic and less specific is more universal. Whereas as what is more specific is more exclusive. In the same way when one says the word animal it can apply to many things. Where when one says man it excludes many things and applies to just one type of animal. Now things that exist in reality ARE NOT generic they are specific.
The Church founded by Our Lord is a real existing reality. It is something specific with its own essential elements and properties.
Now the Councils, pronouncements and doctrines through the ages became more and more specific. The Church's awareness of itself approached more and more the reality of its own being. It is impossible to move in the other direction. In other words it is impossible to move from a specific knowledge to a more general confused knowledge. A generic knowledge of anything is always more confused than a specific one, just as knowing something only in so far as it is an animal is more confused than knowing it specifically: a man. Instead our knowledge specifies as we gain acquantaince and experience of a thing. This should.not be confused with the knowledge particular persons had of the Church. Ofcourse the apostles and early Christians had a very specific knowledge of the Church. However the Church's formulated doctrine was not as specific. Throughout the centuries this doctrine became better formulated and more specific. This was neccesary especially to rule out heresy and error. A more generic knowledge on the other hand is more open to heresy and error.
Now, in order for Vatican II to be less divisive, open to non Catholics and ALSO IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL FATHERS, THE COUNCIL HAD TO REVERSE THE NATURAL PROCEDURE AND PROCLAIM SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS.
Now one could argue that the council taught no error. Entering into this debate is not easy and not for the most of us. However knowing that the council purposefully decided to be less specific and more generic is known by all of us. Can we say that a generic knowlwdge of a thing is deficient compared to a fuller specific knowlwdge of a thing? Trying to go against oneself and forget what one once knew creates the impression that one must have been wrong once upon a time. Because why else would one try to forget what once knew? Especially if what one once knew one used to think was valuable and true, a treasure to be safeguarded.
How many people do we know who have used Vatican II to look back and interpret older Councils? Anything more specific than the Council is frowned upon as superfluous and outdated. But does truth age? Never the less can we blame them for acquiring this habit when this is a natural consequence of artificially regressing and not progressing in knowledge? Of trying to be less specific and more generic.
This is a great meditation overall, and I appreciate everything that you do. However, as an old testament scholar, I must disagree that God is asking Abraham to murder his son. God is the author of life, and to him all life belongs. What he is asking Abraham, is to give Isaac back to him. God, as author of life, cannot commit murder. Murder is the unauthorized and deliberate killing of an innocent human being. God is the only one who can authorize the taking of life. This understanding makes sense of a lot of other passages in the Old Testament as well.
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Told the Angel of Saint Rose of Lima Callao that California needs a rain and they'll help California
And what happen about Narnia??? Well i got
Well i LOVE all Creation and i never did Karma twilight i get understand and i LOVE only LOVE as God see his Creation another People is who's trasspasing me with animals i hate all mad
"My father was a wandering Aramean"
Deuteronomy 26:5
When you travel in the middle East and get to know the peoples, religion and cultures Abraham is their patriarch. Syriac Christians like Maronites, Chaldeans and Assyrians believe Abraham was originally one of them before he left for Canaan. In fact today there's a Christian community today recognized by the knssest called Arameans. I highly recommend reading up on Israeli-Aramean-Maronite-Aramaic activist Shadi Khollul of the philos project. Israelis believe Abraham gave birth to their nation as well as Samaritans who still exist(about 1000) today mostly in Nabulus. I also recommend reading up on a real life good Samaritan Abood Cohen who does a lot of good work to build bridges between peoples. Of course Arabs believe they are descended from Ishmael and even the Baha'is a religion from Persia believe their prophet is connected through Abraham's forgotten third wife Keturah.
"You know, for the longest time I thought you were Jewish. But your father was a Syrian Christian.
Isn’t that interesting? I must have a Jewish soul. And Syria is not Arab-Syria is Semites. We’re all cousins. I wonder why we don’t get along together better. God help us"
American-Assyrian-actor F. Murray Abraham
"If Iraq were a tree then Chaldeans would be its leaves"
American-Chaldean poet-Ann Esshaki
“The Aramean Christians consider themselves as a brother people of the Jewish people.”
Israeli-Aramean-Maronite-Aramaic activist Shadi Khalloul
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Oh Worshippers of Christ! We’d like your most wise to answer our question. If our God was murdered by some people’s actions, then what sort of God is this? And we wonder. Was he pleased by what they did to him? If so then blessed are they, for they must have achieved his pleasure. But if he wasn’t pleased with them, then this must mean they overpowered him. So was the present entity left without a God, an All-Hearing being who can hear prayers? And were the Heavens vacated, when he was placed under the earth and the dirt was above him? And was the Universe left without a God to manage it while his hands were being nailed down? And why didn’t the Angels help him when they heard him cry out? And how could any wooden beam holdup a True God, while He is being fastened to it? And could any iron ever be brought to Him so that it would be driven inside Him and cause Him pain? And how could ever His enemies’ hands ever reach Him, so that they could whip him from behind? And did this Christ revive himself or was there another god that brought him to life? And how strange is it. That a grave could be enclosed on a god. And even stranger is the womb that enclosed him (before.) Which he remained inside for nine whole months, in utter darkness being fed by blood. Then he emerged from the womb as a small child, completely helpless reaching out to be fed. Thus, he ate, drank, and after he answered the call which comes naturally. So is this really a god? High Exalted is Allah above the lies of the Christians. Each of whom will be asked about their fabrications. Oh Cross worshippers, for what reason is someone exalted (for accepting this) and blameworthy for rejecting it? And is it not logical that we should break and burn (what humiliated Christ) and the one that made it? Since (you claim) that God was forcefully crucified upon it, with his hands nailed to it. For truly what a cursed cross to carry? Which one should discard instead of kissing when glanced upon. For (you claim) the Creator was abused upon it. Yet you appear to worship it, so are you one of His enemies? For it was the grave that held your (so-called) god in it. Oh worshippers of Christ, Wake up. For this is what the matter is all about. by: Ibn Al-Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah. An Islamic Scholar who died in 1350 CE.
We Catholics have the answer to your qustion, but before I answer, tells who you are.. you say "we"
I grew up fetching water from the Well, where all people in the community converge to get water. Well is a meeting point where older people, when I was a teenager come to look for girls. Water is life and the most important after other things, people must come to get water and you will see all the fine ladies. Am not surprised that people of the ancient world found wives in the well
I have a question.
When it comes to stories of Abraham, Issac, Jacob etc., they are considered mythological by most historians. I mean for nearly the whole genesis, sufficient historic evidences don't exist. We have to at least come to the story of Moses , for the stories to start being legendary rather than being pure mythological. And again even for exodus, there doesn't seem any archaeological proof that the events really happened. Even from then, up until at least reign of King David ,the biblical accounts are much more legendary than historic.
So, as a Catholic how can one resolve this dilemma of wanting our faith to be "real" ,yet most of the early biblical accounts being mythological or legendary.Where the truth/revelation of God begins and where it stops being just a figment of human imagination and fantasy?
How to look at the story of Abraham in this context? Just as a mere symbolic story of the inner human experience of God or as history/something that really happened?
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Genesis his actual fact history
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Dr. Doug Petrovich has his stuff on TH-cam
Genesis his actual fact history
He also wrote a number of articles
And books
He gives clear teaching on Genesis
I hope the bishop I hope the bishopAnd the word on fire Channel looks into this
Dr. Doug Petrovich has his stuff on TH-cam
Genesis his actual fact history
He also wrote a number of articles
And books
He gives clear teaching on Genesis
I hope the bishop I hope the bishopAnd the word on fire Channel looks into this
Dr. Doug Petrovich has his stuff on TH-cam
Genesis his actual fact history
He also wrote a number of articles
And books
He gives clear teaching on Genesis
I hope the bishop I hope the bishopAnd the word on fire Channel looks into this
Dr. Doug Petrovich is a young
Creationist he wrote a few articles and Creationist he wrote a few articles and book Proving that genesis is history
On why Abraham would even consider obeying God’s command to do the deed to Isaac: Abraham’s time was different. I believe pagan religions in ancient Mesopotamia practiced human sacrifice. It was not unknown to Abraham. Perhaps Abraham believed God was truly asking it of him and as God, He was well within His right to demand full obedience. But we get insight into Abraham’s feelings when Isaac asked, “We have the wood but where is the victim (to be sacrificed)” to which Abraham responds “God Himself will provide the victim.” I believe that to the very end Abraham expected God to come through for him, to save him from this great pain, and indeed God comes through for him. The ram that was sacrificed instead of Isaac prefigured Jesus, the victim that God provided.
Additionally, God already for-knew that Abraham would obey Him so why even put him through the test? I think it is for Abraham’s sake, that he may know himself to be capable of complete and utter obedience to God but also complete trust in the mercy of God.
What I can not understand is Catholics choosing Catholics who choose abortion?
Oh no, you are misleading here. Abraham was never 'barren'! Only Sarah was barren.
Abraham did, in fact, have other sons by other women.
Afraid of saying it like it is?
They do to another people too they got me tired