Mon, Jul 16: Residents at an Etobicoke building have been told they must remove all air conditioners from their units within 10 days. Nishi Gupta reports.
I'm a landlord. I helped properly install a window banger in my tenants place recently. Hydro is included in the rent, and it will hurt my bottom line, but I can sleep at night knowing my tenants can sleep too. Y'know, cuz I'm not a greedy sociopath.
my brother and a cousin lived in a Apt, with a wall air conditioner in each apt, and the only thing they asked, is to turn it off when you are not home. The Electric was paid by the owner, so they could make that request
hhiippiittyy your a great landlord that cares about your tenants that's a blessing it's all about respect and communication landlords like you are very rare.
Kenshin Himura hey you know how much rent cost for these places yeah yeah I know they got overhead they got upkeep but still they're talking about safety in the building needs to be upgrade for safety reasons it is part of doing business
In other words, this guy is telling you that the utilities are not up to code. That would be reason enough for me to leave. One apt goes up, and you're above it, you may never get down.
Umm. Ok, I'm not sure why you 2 aren't getting the jest of my comment. I simply stated I would leave a bldg like that if I knew it was so dangerous to live in. What does that have to do with costs etc. I don't care what the costs are to the owner, that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
Lion Phoenix This is especially true if he rented it out to them knowing about it in the first place and didn't specifically tell renters that there were things that weren't up to code.
It does though if it's wired with 14awg wire it is dangerous to put a breaker above 15 amps because it allows you to draw more current than is safe for the wire before the breaker trips.
yo Alex he actually could save money/not be sued just by telling people not to have them in contract and then not enforcing it.. once it's written in contract the liability goes onto the home owner
Make the landlord live in one of the apartments (hopefully on a sunny side) 24/7 through a heat wave and see what it's like. Maybe then he'll think differently.
Heat is the number one weather killer. To forbid AC is no different from forcing tenants to drive through flash flooding, stand outside in hail, or locking them out of the neighborhood storm shelter during a tornado warning.
They said the problem is with potential to fall out of the windows (safety hazard and LIABILITY HAZARD). I recommend getting a standalone portable model. I live in an old house, not apartment but it works great. It sits on the floor inside with just a 4-5 inch air duct to blow hot air outside. (They almost all come with an adjustable sash - open the window six inches and the sash fills that gap to seal it and has a pre-made hole for the vent duct to hook to.) It will drain some water (condensation). You could run the 1/2" drain hose out the window but I just run it into a 5 gallon bucket (that's big enough to run it all season without having to empty the bucket)
He is NOT saying they cannot have A/C at all He is saying they cannot MOUNT them to HANG OUT THE WINDOW There are ways to MOUNT the A/C inside so the units will still be useable for cooling. It will just take a little floor space away.
Fix your building you cheap fool. Help the tenants install them properly. They have the right to cool air. Take care of your tenants and teach them the proper protocol.
Nope they do not. Find one sibgle fck law that say anybody must have AC On law side landlord MUST made shure there is no fire hazard. No fck non-industrial electrical system can handle AC fck everywhere. So just ban AC as they take ~20A while circuits in apartment are by code up to ~15A. As such AC is fire hazard and illegal no matter what landlord do anyway.
If it was actually a hazard he could have called the city and have them enforce it. There was no such danger which is why the city never got involved. There's an electric pole next to my house that had a severe failure and 15 minutes later there was a firetruck and several cops in front of my house making sure that it wouldn't cause a fire and I live like 10 miles away from the city. They have ways to detect when electric lines could cause a fire hazard.
You don't have a right to a/c. There is no central air at any of my apartment buildings I own. And I don't allow any window units or portable ac,the wiring can't handle it. I only charge $1900 for a 2bedroom so some heat should be expected.
Depends on the state. In most states you don't have such right but in a couple where it gets very hot it is a requirement. Remember that every state has their own laws.
Mr. White From the looks of the building, there are not five rooms in each apartment with an outside wall. In some way, this is about money, with a landlord decreeing something to a tenant, it's always about money.
+acmeopinion factory That's what the landlord said. I'm pretty sure he knows more about his apartment buildings than you. Also, it's about idiots abusing a free service and ruining it for everyone else.
Then intruder meets .45 with wad cutters. Unless they provide written notice within a reasonable time frame because its supposed to be convenient for you to be there while they are inside apt. IF they don't provide notice they are not lawfully entering and are same as any other intruder. But dumb move for them if its personal "ac" unit they can not steal which means leaving it there for me to reinstall. Also not hard to change own locks as a side note actually less than 5 minutes can switch them back when you move out.
Tony D the fact that the electrical is up to code does not mean the system has to carry the load of an ac unit. Most apartment circuits are only 15 amps. Most window units require at least 20 and that's if the ac is the only load (outlet) on that circuit.
Tony D wow. If you are healthy you can live without it. It's just a waste of power and I mean the guy is right, people are abusing the system and are overloading wires
Have you ever lived in a section of the US where the summer temperatures are 120 degrees for 30 to 40 days in a row? Where at night the temperature does not go below 100 degrees? Live there (where I live) and tell me you can live without AC. This guy is nothing more than a slumlord!
If the tenants have had air-conditioners for years, and the building can't support it, then that's the BUILDINGs problem, not the tenants. Over time, it is obvious that tenants will use MORE electricity. It seems that the landlord should either run building level cooling or upgrade the electrical.
Quiff Osaurusrex middle ground indeed. No need for people to have 4 or more acs on the landlords dime. But the landlord can't cheap out and deny them ac.
If you’re that concerned about AC units you need to be paying for in window fans and paying to have the glass replaced with tinted glass that is more eco friendly so heat isn’t baking the resident.
Maly Squade window fans are generally useless. So is tinted glass. For the management company to install all new windows containing insulated Low-e glass (low e does not conduct sunlight/heat frim the outside in.), it would cost millions.
Why does the landlord tell all the tenants that they need to have the AC inspected for proper installation instead? That would actually be the solution if the landlord actually cared about safety.
The guy made some good points. Why not say that all the window ac units must go and we will install external wall fitted units. This way all have ac. They can be wired up on a separate circuit. Then work out the bill so residents pay 50% bill and the landlord picks up the rest.
If this is a safety issue then some of the rent or monthly dues needs to allocated by the LANDLORD to properly install the units and make the electrical situation suitable to carry the load. This is just another type of CONTROL. And I bet the residents are paying good money too.
U’re Mom false. Even the elderly man whom had doctors notes to stay air conditioning said that the landlord never said that until the news interviewed him. This leads me to believe they only said that to try and save face but as soo. As the news leaves they will demand all ac's gone. Also those kinds of air conditioners arw supposed to be half outside of the window. I have two and they have been in for 5 years. They havent fallen once. They also arent glues or bolted in.
U’re Mom you clearly don't know humans very well, you seem like you are in your own world and have not seen anything that has been going on or like you haven't experienced shady money hungry people.
Owner put better wiring in . You can put them in and make sure they are safely installed. Owner bet you go to a cool home at night . You live there for a month see what you think ..
Carolyn Peercy it's his building his rules. I'm pretty sure the problem is people that have more than one overdrawing. I'm pretty sure if you pay the work he will install new wiring but I do not think you understand how hard and time consuming such an action is.
Cesare Vissani Does your wife give you that same line every night you got to pay you put the work in nice come back boy. Stop being an apologist it's not working and you're on the wrong side of History these landlords need to stop playing games and Pony up I've seen most of this property is it look like slums so close and mouth before I close it for you and eat ya lunch for you.
My sister lived in a building like this. They only rented units January to January leases. When summer came, she stayed with family members- it was even too hot to sleep at night there. And air conditioners could only be installed by the landlord. He charged $500 for installing it. Wasn't worth it for a rental. She found a college student to move in and she found a new home.
Possibly true that the existing electrical system cannot handle the total loads with AC units. But the landlord could upgrade the electrical or install central AC. Empty apartments would be the result for failure to do one of those.
Ken6151 not really. Can you even imagine how expensive central AC is for a building that size? Do you expect the tenants will pay more to subsidize the cost? Even an electrical upgrade means tearing walls and there's probably 40 apts in there.
I doubt that it's that simple. I suspect that adding central air after the fact is probably next to impossible, unless the building in question already had forced hot air heating venting already in place. And frankly, I've never lived in an apartment building that had that kind of heating. It might be a good requirement for new apartment buildings, but it seems essentially impossible for older buildings. The more practical solution would seem to be for an older building's owner to professionally install individual AC units in each apartment.
There is another way however it's very costly, and involves a great deal of work installing mini split AC/Heat Pumps with the heating/cooling array inside the apt and the compressor/mounted on the exterior wall. It was done in my complex however these were groups of apartments six each 3 upstairs 3 downstairs the compressors went on the front exterior wall. This is a tall apartment complex, through the wall mounted AC's would be better and upgrading the electrical system for the added loads.
Very true adding a split AC/heat pump would involve upgrading the current electrical service for each apartment for the 240V line required. With the installation in my complex, the AC/Heat Pump replaced two of the baseboard heaters in the main living area and the breaker downsized from 30 to 20A.
youre an idiot and these ppl would die in places like atlanta and florida or texas if they operated like that.i REFUSE to rent from anybody who tells me i cant have an a.c unit!
The cutting edge new window ac units just have a hose going to the window so there is no stress on the window,glass or putting weight on the window shelf area.
I live in Arizona. I'm sitting next to a portable unit like you speak of, they are 110s that plug into any outlet, but they only do good for a single small bedroom, nothing more.
metcap is honestly the most evil company in toronto. I lived in a building for 15 years and had the most amazing superintendent that ACTUALLY CARED about making tenants happy instead of upsetting them. some big head from their head office came by one time and didnt like the superintendent and had him fired. me - along with many other tenants had to leave because of how horrendous the building became a few months later with the new lazy superintendent. this was at 191 sherbourne. we will always love you Yuri! we miss you so much.
A Conneely That depends on the state. In some states it's considered a hazard not to in the us. Generally it's required to provide a means of cooling where summers are hot and heat where winters are cold. It's rather basic.
I've been in apartments where the AC units were already permanently installed in a wall up by the ceiling. This way they were safe, not hanging out a window and unlike central AC for a whole building, you can control it yourself to your own comfort. Plus, if they malfunctioned, the house maintenance would take care of it.
30C in the world: "What a nice warm day, maybe we could go for a swim in a lake, or walk in a park." 30C in Canada: "OH MY GOD, THIS IS HELL, WE'RE ALL GONNA BURN AND DIE!!!"
Then he needs to upgrade his electricity and have air conditioning for his tenants. Is the electricity free? Otherwise wouldn't the tenants be within their rights? He makes plenty of money. He could get a maintenance man to secure the air conditioning units.
He is liable for fire hazard caused be draw of electricity. No cyvilian apartment wiring is designed to handle AC in every room or even in single room. AC have simply insane power draw. As such because he dont want to be liable for fire and other hazards asosiated with AC. He ban AC.
What a joke. I'll tell you exactly what the reason is, and I assure you I know. When this building was constructed, the approved electrical design wasn't built to handle the loads we put on systems today. An upgraded electrical design built to today's code, which would handle the power draw, would cost a large sum of money, and so this Metcap outfit is trying to pass off the problem as a safety issue that's somehow caused my tenants. I'd consider packing up and moving on, you don't want to trust a landlord that basically lies and points a finger at you for their financial benefit
That's bull if they want them out then they must put in central air. With extreme heat it would make a home uninhabitable. My A/C is down and won't be replaced until next wk and with temps in upper 80s it's unbearable. I'd move out of that place.
Well I'm in law. Granite not in that state. But I would force Metcalf to spend a week and that Tower without air conditioning every night I think that's fair
Just get a rolling unit, the kind that looks like a dehumidifier, and a little vent sticks in the window, therefore zero risk of anything falling out of the window...
Even if the electric is included with rent.They have every right to charge your more rent money for the summer months. My sister gets charge $10.00 month more on rent just for summer months. I say it's fair
I have been unfortunate enough to have to live in crappy apartments during my teenage years with a single parent and honestly summers had to be the worst times ever, many families cannot afford to just go out and buy an air conditioner out of the blue and it took us years to finally buy one of our own, it should be illegal to not equip an apartment with proper air conditioning, especially during a heat wave
Well they said you can have it for medical reasons. When it's hot, humans over heat, so there's a medical reason that applies to everyone. Problem solved.
:48 YOU'RE the business owner, YOU have the power to address these issues, Stop passing the responsibility to your customers(that is what they are). Step 1. Renovate every unit between tenants. Step 2. Renovate units when tenants go on vacations. Step 3. Schedule renovations and temporary apartments for those displaced. Goal, to install central air for the whole building. Only after completed installation do you change the previous system!
As a landlord myself, this was purely for the money. They must've seen a drastic spike in utilities cost, and if that cost was worked in to the tenant's rent, the cash flow from the units must've decreased significantly due to higher utility costs for the building. This is usually do to underestimating the cost of their average utility bill for a year. Most landlords will take the average for the year, divide it by 12, and add 20 or 30 dollars and call it good. That'll give them wiggle room for when a tenant decides they want to put 4 A/C units in their apartment and keep them continuously running 24/7, or if you have a tenant who leaves the TV and computers and lights on all day and night. They also must've assumed their market was competitive enough where if they raised the rent or left the cost of utilities up to their tenants, they would see an increase in unit vacancy and even long term unit vacancy. Which they also probably didn't estimate to happen when running the numbers. You ask why and that's because the company's partners. 1 company doesn't own those apartment. Usually they have a loan from a private investor or multiple companies that have also gone in on the purchase of the property. To sell the investment (property) to the investors, they underestimated the costs to run the units, making cash flow appear greater than what it actually was. And when the cash flow lowered, and the company started having trouble paying back the 12% hard interest on what was probably 3 or 4 $250,000 private money loans, they had to react. Too bad they did it in the worse way possible. Fix the rent at a lower price but leave the utilities up to the tenants. Example, instead of renting the units for $1000 a month with all costs included, you could rent it for $700 and leave utilities up to the tenants. That way if they use $80 a month for utilities, or they use $800 a month for utilities, your cash flow stays the same per unit. That way nobody has a problem with 4 A/C units. Keep in mind, the landlords must also keep the apartments up to date on electrical. It costs a lot of money up front, but if you're saying an electrical shortage is very possible running 4 A/C units in an apartment big enough to have 4 separate rooms and 4 separate windows to put the A/C units in, that is YOUR problem, not the tenant's. A tenant should be able to keep all their electrical units into the walls that they need. If they can't, that will drive tenants away faster than banning A/C units. You then not only have long term unit vacancy or an increase in unit vacancy, you have an increase in tenants who are not renewing their lease. Further increasing vacancy and costs to fix a unit and bring it back to show ready/ rent ready, which is basically just cleaning costs. It's still a cost, and an increased cost means less cash flow that the unit as a whole is making you. And less money you now have to pay off your loans.
No need to upgrade anything. Just remove the cost of electric from the rent, put meters in for every apartment. Give every apartment their own main breaker. Make sure that tenants understand that they have to get that kind of AC installed professionally and that they are liable if it goes wrong.
What I find interesting is the obsessive focus on window units. There are two kinds of AC units, window & free standing. Both types need access to a window to ventilate, but obviously the window units carry the stigma. The excuse that a window unit might fall is valid, but everyone knows it's about electrical issues. Either excessive free power consumption, or overloaded wiring. If the building is wired for 15amp, then I could believe the later. Still that is close to 1400watts per breaker, so it comes down to how many breakers per tenant, and how each tenant distributes the load.
Ok the last part makes sense...Window AC units can use upwards of a kilowatt on their own, and that isn't a load that all electrical systems can handle if multiple are installed especially in situations such as a large building. The solution? Set up a centralized air conditioning system for that building that can operate more efficiently overall than hundreds of tiny window ACs.
If the electrical system can't handle it, then you did one or more of the following: a) bought a building without doing adequate due diligence b) built a building that somehow got built despite not meeting code c) failed to maintain the electrical system properly. None of those are the fault of the residents, and it just shows you to be incredibly incompetent.
I got a standing unit. It’s about the size of short nightstand and the only part that even touched the window is an accordion screen and the hose that attaches to it to remove the exhaust. I’ve found more places are willing to allow them without so much hassle
Le Americana Goblino Diabetics can have diet soda and you can put other things in those. I had a studio when I was younger and a tiny fridge like that was literally my only fridge.
So much whining. It's Canada, not Mexico. Why did you buy an apartment where AC wasn't an option if you demand the luxury? My apartment doesn't have central AC and banned air conditioners as well, but I don't complain to the news about a policy 99% of apartments have, I bought a freaking fan. (It's common to not allow window AC units for multiple reasons including, improper installation, overloaded circuits, non-uniformity, and the driping from old units that can cause real damage over time.) Being a thrifty renter comes with drawbacks, they ought to work smarter or suck it up and stop blaming everyone else for their problems.
Aren't properly installed. Then jumped to they're overloading the electrical. They should be forced to update the systems and provide the air conditioning.
If the power usage was an issue then just do what any person with any sense would do. My lease includes 50/mo for water and 250/mo for electricity. If it goes over that margin I pay for the excess if I go under I get a discount on my rent. I am given a cooy of the water and electricity bill each month so I can keep track.
Easy solution, Just build a small fence along the building just below all the windows. If an A/C unit fell on the ground it would be fence in, away from someone walking underneath it. You can actually place plants🌷 & bushes🌾 there, to make the place look really nice.🌹
Air conditioning should be made a civil right. All new residential buildings should have mandatory AC, and resident-installed AC units should be protected by law as long as they are up to safety codes. Saw footage of downtown Bombay slum in early 1960's, every unit had AC machines in the windows. It's nobody's business but tenants. Particularly if tenant has to pay for own hydro.
If they want to have tenants remove AC, then they should pay to upgrade the building to a central air system. They can then just add a small fee to the rent for the central air. Tenants won't complain about having to remove a window unit if they can cost share a more cost efficient system for the whole building.
Part of the issue are the things falling out of the window, it happens more than some think. The landlords figured out a compromise by having them inspected. Also mentioned was the issue of electrical overload, I bet the building is really old and not wired for the extreme draw those units have.
Illegal, it's not the tenants responsibility for the building having inadequate wiring to each unit. As for falling hazards, there exists window cages for AC units, again not the fault of the tenants for shoddy construction.
Subsudize a internal unit that just has hoses going out the window it also stops damaging the building like the water stains and make the building look nice and not like a dump which I think is the main point here the tenant are trashing and not realizing it
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I'm a landlord. I helped properly install a window banger in my tenants place recently. Hydro is included in the rent, and it will hurt my bottom line, but I can sleep at night knowing my tenants can sleep too. Y'know, cuz I'm not a greedy sociopath.
In return, you know that your tenants will likely stay because you are kind and helpful
my brother and a cousin lived in a Apt, with a wall air conditioner in each apt, and the only thing they asked, is to turn it off when you are not home. The Electric was paid by the owner, so they could make that request
hhiippiittyy you are a rare landlord. Blessings be upon you.
Exactly.
hhiippiittyy your a great landlord that cares about your tenants that's a blessing it's all about respect and communication landlords like you are very rare.
Just upgrade your building and quit being slumlords
You gonna pay for it? Didn't think so....
Kenshin Himura Why would I, I don't get the rent money. That's how business works, you invest back into your business to make it grow.
But being a slumlord is so damn effective tho!
Kenshin Himura hey you know how much rent cost for these places yeah yeah I know they got overhead they got upkeep but still they're talking about safety in the building needs to be upgrade for safety reasons it is part of doing business
Exactly
He looks like the type of Landlord to say "No Air Conditioners" while using one himself!
In other words, this guy is telling you that the utilities are not up to code. That would be reason enough for me to leave. One apt goes up, and you're above it, you may never get down.
What? LoL O_O
Umm. Ok, I'm not sure why you 2 aren't getting the jest of my comment. I simply stated I would leave a bldg like that if I knew it was so dangerous to live in. What does that have to do with costs etc. I don't care what the costs are to the owner, that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
tigergreg8 Dont worry i got it, it really wasn't a difficult concept to grasp lol.
Lion Phoenix This is especially true if he rented it out to them knowing about it in the first place and didn't specifically tell renters that there were things that weren't up to code.
It does though if it's wired with 14awg wire it is dangerous to put a breaker above 15 amps because it allows you to draw more current than is safe for the wire before the breaker trips.
There are no public records of air conditioners falling in Toronto. He wants to save $$$$
Yeah save money for not being sued if one falls on someone.
yo Alex he actually could save money/not be sued just by telling people not to have them in contract and then not enforcing it.. once it's written in contract the liability goes onto the home owner
Make the landlord live in one of the apartments (hopefully on a sunny side) 24/7 through a heat wave and see what it's like. Maybe then he'll think differently.
Chuck Taylor and when people get heat exhaustion or heat stroke from forcing to remove ac, they'll sue for medical bills
A signed waiver for those that want a air conditioner can clear up all matters.
joe woodchuck Exactly..See how he likes sweltering in an apartment.It's awful.
Yes I know 80 degrees is dangerous... To a snowman. Gtfo
TheOtherWhiteBread0 we can all tell you've never had to work for anything
So they know their building is a hazardous to their tenants, but they still rent them anyway! I smell a one way street here!
Logan Adamantium The building isn’t hazardous. Tenants are not correctly installing AC UNITS
Heat is the number one weather killer. To forbid AC is no different from forcing tenants to drive through flash flooding, stand outside in hail, or locking them out of the neighborhood storm shelter during a tornado warning.
AtarahDerek I have never heard of a neighborhood storm shelter is that a real thing you must be from the Midwest
tolfan No, but I did go to school there, and I'm an amateur storm chaser.
Yes a neighborhood storm shelter is common in trailer park areas as well as some neighborhoods in cities in the Midwest.
Cold kills more than heat.
Gammareign No, heat kills more.
If they're paying for electricity, rent, mortgage then what is the real problem?
They said the problem is with potential to fall out of the windows (safety hazard and LIABILITY HAZARD).
I recommend getting a standalone portable model.
I live in an old house, not apartment but it works great.
It sits on the floor inside with just a 4-5 inch air duct to blow hot air outside.
(They almost all come with an adjustable sash - open the window six inches and the sash fills that gap to seal it and has a pre-made hole for the vent duct to hook to.) It will drain some water (condensation). You could run the 1/2" drain hose out the window but I just run it into a 5 gallon bucket (that's big enough to run it all season without having to empty the bucket)
This jackwagon has a.c. in his office and house
Go pound sand.
He is NOT saying they cannot have A/C at all
He is saying they cannot MOUNT them to HANG OUT THE WINDOW
There are ways to MOUNT the A/C inside so the units will still be useable for cooling. It will just take a little floor space away.
no no they have already fallen out of windows. a number of them
TheBishop12 Maybe you need to watch the video again?
Fix your building you cheap fool. Help the tenants install them properly. They have the right to cool air. Take care of your tenants and teach them the proper protocol.
Baby Beefsteak you never had tenants.
Nope they do not.
Find one sibgle fck law that say anybody must have AC
On law side landlord MUST made shure there is no fire hazard.
No fck non-industrial electrical system can handle AC fck everywhere.
So just ban AC as they take ~20A while circuits in apartment are by code up to ~15A.
As such AC is fire hazard and illegal no matter what landlord do anyway.
If it was actually a hazard he could have called the city and have them enforce it. There was no such danger which is why the city never got involved. There's an electric pole next to my house that had a severe failure and 15 minutes later there was a firetruck and several cops in front of my house making sure that it wouldn't cause a fire and I live like 10 miles away from the city. They have ways to detect when electric lines could cause a fire hazard.
You don't have a right to a/c. There is no central air at any of my apartment buildings I own. And I don't allow any window units or portable ac,the wiring can't handle it. I only charge $1900 for a 2bedroom so some heat should be expected.
Depends on the state. In most states you don't have such right but in a couple where it gets very hot it is a requirement. Remember that every state has their own laws.
Is the electric included in the rent??
Dell Johnson right?!!!
Probably otherwise why would they care?
People putting 5 air conditioners in their apartment, what do you think?
Mr. White From the looks of the building, there are not five rooms in each apartment with an outside wall.
In some way, this is about money, with a landlord decreeing something to a tenant, it's always about money.
+acmeopinion factory That's what the landlord said. I'm pretty sure he knows more about his apartment buildings than you. Also, it's about idiots abusing a free service and ruining it for everyone else.
You can have my ac unit when you pry it from my cool, comfortable hands.
The Unindicted Coconspirator 🤣 damn man
Then intruder meets .45 with wad cutters. Unless they provide written notice within a reasonable time frame because its supposed to be convenient for you to be there while they are inside apt. IF they don't provide notice they are not lawfully entering and are same as any other intruder. But dumb move for them if its personal "ac" unit they can not steal which means leaving it there for me to reinstall. Also not hard to change own locks as a side note actually less than 5 minutes can switch them back when you move out.
you mean hot and sweaty hands
That's just ridiculous! The landlord needs to make sure the units are installed properly and make sure the electric is up to code!
Tony D the fact that the electrical is up to code does not mean the system has to carry the load of an ac unit. Most apartment circuits are only 15 amps. Most window units require at least 20 and that's if the ac is the only load (outlet) on that circuit.
That's up to the slum lord to make sure the building can accommodate AC. We live in 2018, not 1930. AC is no longer a luxury. It is a necessity.
Tony D wow. If you are healthy you can live without it. It's just a waste of power and I mean the guy is right, people are abusing the system and are overloading wires
Have you ever lived in a section of the US where the summer temperatures are 120 degrees for 30 to 40 days in a row? Where at night the temperature does not go below 100 degrees? Live there (where I live) and tell me you can live without AC. This guy is nothing more than a slumlord!
Tony D I live in italy. Here it gets 40 degrees and around 32-35 most of the time with high humidity
If the tenants have had air-conditioners for years, and the building can't support it, then that's the BUILDINGs problem, not the tenants. Over time, it is obvious that tenants will use MORE electricity. It seems that the landlord should either run building level cooling or upgrade the electrical.
Update the electrical, and only allow a maximum of 2 A/C units per apartment.
Quiff Osaurusrex middle ground indeed. No need for people to have 4 or more acs on the landlords dime. But the landlord can't cheap out and deny them ac.
Hmm, how about a maximum of 0 per apartment instead?
tohopes That's kind of a stupid comment. What about people that have health problems? Especially breathing problems.
tohopes You're a sick fuck🙄🙄
Hmm, okay Quiffosaurus Rex
I would have to move. I need air conditioner units
I wish some electrical contractor would offer to install them professionally. Low cost or free. I bet that management company would go crazy.
If you’re that concerned about AC units you need to be paying for in window fans and paying to have the glass replaced with tinted glass that is more eco friendly so heat isn’t baking the resident.
Maly Squade window fans are generally useless. So is tinted glass. For the management company to install all new windows containing insulated Low-e glass (low e does not conduct sunlight/heat frim the outside in.), it would cost millions.
He's concerned about the electrical draw...
Stfu
You are obviously clueless..
It sounds like a load of **** sounds like they have plans for the properties.
Let him keep on, and a class action lawsuit will ensue.
J T it's his building.
Cesare Vissani lol that doesn't matter he needs to follow the law
Cesare Vissani and he can face a lawsuit regardless
Tenants might be violating their contracts then. Enough reason to give them an evict notice.
8BitGamer4life sueing someone is a persons right. Seems to me like you on on this slumlords side.
Why does the landlord tell all the tenants that they need to have the AC inspected for proper installation instead? That would actually be the solution if the landlord actually cared about safety.
The guy made some good points. Why not say that all the window ac units must go and we will install external wall fitted units. This way all have ac. They can be wired up on a separate circuit.
Then work out the bill so residents pay 50% bill and the landlord picks up the rest.
David West 300 foot extension cords. That’s all
If this is a safety issue then some of the rent or monthly dues needs to allocated by the LANDLORD to properly install the units and make the electrical situation suitable to carry the load. This is just another type of CONTROL. And I bet the residents are paying good money too.
descent815 Why? The landlord already made the safety guidelines. Remove window ac units.
Rumpa Stiltskin now the people who need it may die due to heat stroke. How safe is that?
U’re Mom false. Even the elderly man whom had doctors notes to stay air conditioning said that the landlord never said that until the news interviewed him. This leads me to believe they only said that to try and save face but as soo. As the news leaves they will demand all ac's gone. Also those kinds of air conditioners arw supposed to be half outside of the window. I have two and they have been in for 5 years. They havent fallen once. They also arent glues or bolted in.
U’re Mom you clearly don't know humans very well, you seem like you are in your own world and have not seen anything that has been going on or like you haven't experienced shady money hungry people.
U’re Mom damn right I have trust issues I know too many people not too thank you have a nice day
Why doesn't that dump have central air
Uber Man Tampa cause it's turned into a slum
Owner put better wiring in . You can put them in and make sure they are safely installed. Owner bet you go to a cool home at night . You live there for a month see what you think ..
Carolyn Peercy it's his building his rules. I'm pretty sure the problem is people that have more than one overdrawing.
I'm pretty sure if you pay the work he will install new wiring but I do not think you understand how hard and time consuming such an action is.
Cesare Vissani
Does your wife give you that same line every night you got to pay you put the work in nice come back boy.
Stop being an apologist it's not working and you're on the wrong side of History these landlords need to stop playing games and Pony up I've seen most of this property is it look like slums so close and mouth before I close it for you and eat ya lunch for you.
sitdowndogbreath that comment was entertaining.
Then get air conditioning for the building
Take them to the landlord tenant board.
Then this guy needs to upgrade his raggedy building. Sue his butt off.
My sister lived in a building like this. They only rented units January to January leases. When summer came, she stayed with family members- it was even too hot to sleep at night there. And air conditioners could only be installed by the landlord. He charged $500 for installing it. Wasn't worth it for a rental. She found a college student to move in and she found a new home.
Possibly true that the existing electrical system cannot handle the total loads with AC units. But the landlord could upgrade the electrical or install central AC. Empty apartments would be the result for failure to do one of those.
Ken6151 not really. Can you even imagine how expensive central AC is for a building that size? Do you expect the tenants will pay more to subsidize the cost? Even an electrical upgrade means tearing walls and there's probably 40 apts in there.
I understand the problem so add central air
I doubt that it's that simple. I suspect that adding central air after the fact is probably next to impossible, unless the building in question already had forced hot air heating venting already in place. And frankly, I've never lived in an apartment building that had that kind of heating.
It might be a good requirement for new apartment buildings, but it seems essentially impossible for older buildings.
The more practical solution would seem to be for an older building's owner to professionally install individual AC units in each apartment.
There is another way however it's very costly, and involves a great deal of work installing mini split AC/Heat Pumps with the heating/cooling array inside the apt and the compressor/mounted on the exterior wall. It was done in my complex however these were groups of apartments six each 3 upstairs 3 downstairs the compressors went on the front exterior wall. This is a tall apartment complex, through the wall mounted AC's would be better and upgrading the electrical system for the added loads.
Kathleen Tate Okay, you say add central air, so pay for it. Landlords only required to provide shelter.
Very true adding a split AC/heat pump would involve upgrading the current electrical service for each apartment for the 240V line required. With the installation in my complex, the AC/Heat Pump replaced two of the baseboard heaters in the main living area and the breaker downsized from 30 to 20A.
youre an idiot and these ppl would die in places like atlanta and florida or texas if they operated like that.i REFUSE to rent from anybody who tells me i cant have an a.c unit!
The cutting edge new window ac units just have a hose going to the window so there is no stress on the window,glass or putting weight on the window shelf area.
Yeah I was thinking that too, get one of the hose ones that just sits on the floor by the window and the outside portion is barely visible.
Wouldn't work, video also stated it was overloading the buildings electrical system, so those would be banned too
I live in Arizona. I'm sitting next to a portable unit like you speak of, they are 110s that plug into any outlet, but they only do good for a single small bedroom, nothing more.
And of course the landlord dont want to bring their electrical up to code.
I love how they just started rolling things back the moment the public eye was on them.
They don't seem evil, they have to keep them safe, but should upgrade the wiring. This is not the tenants problem.
metcap is honestly the most evil company in toronto. I lived in a building for 15 years and had the most amazing superintendent that ACTUALLY CARED about making tenants happy instead of upsetting them.
some big head from their head office came by one time and didnt like the superintendent and had him fired.
me - along with many other tenants had to leave because of how horrendous the building became a few months later with the new lazy superintendent.
this was at 191 sherbourne. we will always love you Yuri! we miss you so much.
Why move in to a place without A/C?
Gripit L Lack of affordable housing that has AC.
Primalxbeast there is mobile AC they can purchase, it only needs a small hole for air circulation.
Ac is not mandatory heat is if u move there then u knew that there is no ac
Are you seriously asking that?
Sounds like a lawsuit in the making to me... The Class Action variety.
Wrong, It is Canada not the US but anything above freezing is considered hot up there.
sounds like a class action against the damn management
rarelibra they would all loose. And soon as the building owners win, they'll put the rent money up to make back the money they've lost.
such assumptions, Alex
rarelibra
Landlord is under no obligation to provide A/C
A Conneely That depends on the state.
In some states it's considered a hazard not to in the us. Generally it's required to provide a means of cooling where summers are hot and heat where winters are cold.
It's rather basic.
you may want to check your laws
1:26 the guy is diabetic but has his own soda fridge.
J W
True. Diabetics can have diet soda
Hes diabetic so maybe he uses it to store his insulin.
Inuyasha6594 That's actually a good point.
Purpill
It was diet
guess I have to do my research on 7up cans and whether or not they are diet before I make comments!
I've been in apartments where the AC units were already permanently installed in a wall up by the ceiling. This way they were safe, not hanging out a window and unlike central AC for a whole building, you can control it yourself to your own comfort. Plus, if they malfunctioned, the house maintenance would take care of it.
If the units don't use more than 15 amps there is no danger when connected to a 15 amp circuit.
Harry Buttwhisker That’s what Ive been saying! This guy is a sociopath who gets his rocks off people suffering! The smirk shows it all!
30C in the world: "What a nice warm day, maybe we could go for a swim in a lake, or walk in a park."
30C in Canada: "OH MY GOD, THIS IS HELL, WE'RE ALL GONNA BURN AND DIE!!!"
Then he needs to upgrade his electricity and have air conditioning for his tenants.
Is the electricity free? Otherwise wouldn't the tenants be within their rights?
He makes plenty of money. He could get a maintenance man to secure the air conditioning units.
He is liable for fire hazard caused be draw of electricity.
No cyvilian apartment wiring is designed to handle AC in every room or even in single room.
AC have simply insane power draw.
As such because he dont want to be liable for fire and other hazards asosiated with AC. He ban AC.
Czorńy Lisek so now he will be liable if the elderly die of heat stroke or other tennants are injured.
Nah
He is liable with state of building not locators.
Nothing is free they are renters they do not own the place which is why he can tell them what they can do
What a joke. I'll tell you exactly what the reason is, and I assure you I know. When this building was constructed, the approved electrical design wasn't built to handle the loads we put on systems today. An upgraded electrical design built to today's code, which would handle the power draw, would cost a large sum of money, and so this Metcap outfit is trying to pass off the problem as a safety issue that's somehow caused my tenants. I'd consider packing up and moving on, you don't want to trust a landlord that basically lies and points a finger at you for their financial benefit
That's bull if they want them out then they must put in central air. With extreme heat it would make a home uninhabitable. My A/C is down and won't be replaced until next wk and with temps in upper 80s it's unbearable. I'd move out of that place.
Install 5000 btu or less portable a/c units.. safe installed units would not be a problem and portables are 15 amps and less.
Jason Brooks however, those usually aren't enough for a full apartment
does he plan to get central ac?
Well, people need to stay cool in the Summer. There must be some solution.
Well I'm in law. Granite not in that state. But I would force Metcalf to spend a week and that Tower without air conditioning every night I think that's fair
granite? And if you're "in law" you know you can't force anyone to spend a week there.
Gathering No Moss spelling mistakes usually happens my professor as well because he tends to use a speech-to-text program
It's a province, not a state.
Im a HVAC professional i ill volenteer my time to make sure they are installed properly excuse the typos auto correct is not my best friend
Just get a rolling unit, the kind that looks like a dehumidifier, and a little vent sticks in the window, therefore zero risk of anything falling out of the window...
Greg Snyder
He's not actually worried about them falling.
He just doesn't want to get the electrical up to code.
That's dumb I would move
The first person who dies... Get ready for a LARGE lawsuit.
Even if the electric is included with rent.They have every right to charge your more rent money for the summer months. My sister gets charge $10.00 month more on rent just for summer months. I say it's fair
Will L Sir this is about air conditioner to be remove from summer.Whats winter got to do with this?
Thelma Freedline
Did you pay attention to the area this is or the geography?
If you did, you'd answer your own question rather easily.
Simple solution, get a stand alone non window AC that only has an exhaust port going to the window. I used one in my basement and it works amazing.
Never move to a complex with no AC already in place no matter how cheap it is.
I have been unfortunate enough to have to live in crappy apartments during my teenage years with a single parent and honestly summers had to be the worst times ever, many families cannot afford to just go out and buy an air conditioner out of the blue and it took us years to finally buy one of our own, it should be illegal to not equip an apartment with proper air conditioning, especially during a heat wave
So...has an air conditioner EVER even fallen out of a window at the tower? I suspect not.
Well they said you can have it for medical reasons. When it's hot, humans over heat, so there's a medical reason that applies to everyone. Problem solved.
I have central air but i also pay all the utlities as well.
:48 YOU'RE the business owner, YOU have the power to address these issues, Stop passing the responsibility to your customers(that is what they are). Step 1. Renovate every unit between tenants. Step 2. Renovate units when tenants go on vacations. Step 3. Schedule renovations and temporary apartments for those displaced.
Goal, to install central air for the whole building. Only after completed installation do you change the previous system!
As a landlord myself, this was purely for the money. They must've seen a drastic spike in utilities cost, and if that cost was worked in to the tenant's rent, the cash flow from the units must've decreased significantly due to higher utility costs for the building. This is usually do to underestimating the cost of their average utility bill for a year. Most landlords will take the average for the year, divide it by 12, and add 20 or 30 dollars and call it good. That'll give them wiggle room for when a tenant decides they want to put 4 A/C units in their apartment and keep them continuously running 24/7, or if you have a tenant who leaves the TV and computers and lights on all day and night. They also must've assumed their market was competitive enough where if they raised the rent or left the cost of utilities up to their tenants, they would see an increase in unit vacancy and even long term unit vacancy. Which they also probably didn't estimate to happen when running the numbers. You ask why and that's because the company's partners. 1 company doesn't own those apartment. Usually they have a loan from a private investor or multiple companies that have also gone in on the purchase of the property. To sell the investment (property) to the investors, they underestimated the costs to run the units, making cash flow appear greater than what it actually was. And when the cash flow lowered, and the company started having trouble paying back the 12% hard interest on what was probably 3 or 4 $250,000 private money loans, they had to react. Too bad they did it in the worse way possible. Fix the rent at a lower price but leave the utilities up to the tenants. Example, instead of renting the units for $1000 a month with all costs included, you could rent it for $700 and leave utilities up to the tenants. That way if they use $80 a month for utilities, or they use $800 a month for utilities, your cash flow stays the same per unit. That way nobody has a problem with 4 A/C units. Keep in mind, the landlords must also keep the apartments up to date on electrical. It costs a lot of money up front, but if you're saying an electrical shortage is very possible running 4 A/C units in an apartment big enough to have 4 separate rooms and 4 separate windows to put the A/C units in, that is YOUR problem, not the tenant's. A tenant should be able to keep all their electrical units into the walls that they need. If they can't, that will drive tenants away faster than banning A/C units. You then not only have long term unit vacancy or an increase in unit vacancy, you have an increase in tenants who are not renewing their lease. Further increasing vacancy and costs to fix a unit and bring it back to show ready/ rent ready, which is basically just cleaning costs. It's still a cost, and an increased cost means less cash flow that the unit as a whole is making you. And less money you now have to pay off your loans.
As a landlord I would never expect my tenants to gi without proper AC
if it blows a FUSE, it wont cause a fire.
No need to upgrade anything. Just remove the cost of electric from the rent, put meters in for every apartment. Give every apartment their own main breaker. Make sure that tenants understand that they have to get that kind of AC installed professionally and that they are liable if it goes wrong.
Its hell to be poor.
What I find interesting is the obsessive focus on window units. There are two kinds of AC units, window & free standing. Both types need access to a window to ventilate, but obviously the window units carry the stigma. The excuse that a window unit might fall is valid, but everyone knows it's about electrical issues. Either excessive free power consumption, or overloaded wiring. If the building is wired for 15amp, then I could believe the later. Still that is close to 1400watts per breaker, so it comes down to how many breakers per tenant, and how each tenant distributes the load.
Ok the last part makes sense...Window AC units can use upwards of a kilowatt on their own, and that isn't a load that all electrical systems can handle if multiple are installed especially in situations such as a large building. The solution? Set up a centralized air conditioning system for that building that can operate more efficiently overall than hundreds of tiny window ACs.
If the electrical system can't handle it, then you did one or more of the following: a) bought a building without doing adequate due diligence b) built a building that somehow got built despite not meeting code c) failed to maintain the electrical system properly. None of those are the fault of the residents, and it just shows you to be incredibly incompetent.
Uh pretty much everyone needs an AC for medical reasons lol you'll have a heatstroke if you don't
It is fking Canada the land of ice anytime the ice melts they think its hot.
I got a standing unit. It’s about the size of short nightstand and the only part that even touched the window is an accordion screen and the hose that attaches to it to remove the exhaust. I’ve found more places are willing to allow them without so much hassle
Diabetic and he has a fridge full of soda in his apartment.
Le Americana Goblino Diabetics can have diet soda and you can put other things in those. I had a studio when I was younger and a tiny fridge like that was literally my only fridge.
It should be illegal for landlords to not either provide or allow air conditioning no one should have to live like that
They make air conditioning that does not hang out the window. Install that.
So much whining. It's Canada, not Mexico. Why did you buy an apartment where AC wasn't an option if you demand the luxury? My apartment doesn't have central AC and banned air conditioners as well, but I don't complain to the news about a policy 99% of apartments have, I bought a freaking fan. (It's common to not allow window AC units for multiple reasons including, improper installation, overloaded circuits, non-uniformity, and the driping from old units that can cause real damage over time.) Being a thrifty renter comes with drawbacks, they ought to work smarter or suck it up and stop blaming everyone else for their problems.
I can see his point. But of course it causes issues. Old building, old electrical system too.
Then provide central air and update the electrical system! Cheap and crooked!
Aren't properly installed. Then jumped to they're overloading the electrical. They should be forced to update the systems and provide the air conditioning.
Reasonable approach it seems. The management company does not seem unreasonable. They have very valid concerns.
Honestly one ac unit per apartment seems fairly reasonable to request, as does that they are professionally installed.
If the power usage was an issue then just do what any person with any sense would do. My lease includes 50/mo for water and 250/mo for electricity. If it goes over that margin I pay for the excess if I go under I get a discount on my rent. I am given a cooy of the water and electricity bill each month so I can keep track.
Why is this recommend to me? lol. But honestly don't live in these buildings, that company super shady.
Easy solution, Just build a small fence along the building just below all the windows. If an A/C unit fell on the ground it would be fence in, away from someone walking underneath it. You can actually place plants🌷 & bushes🌾 there, to make the place look really nice.🌹
They make portable air conditioners that set on the floor and only a hose is stuck out the window. This type would be safe.
Air conditioning should be made a civil right. All new residential buildings should have mandatory AC, and resident-installed AC units should be protected by law as long as they are up to safety codes. Saw footage of downtown Bombay slum in early 1960's, every unit had AC machines in the windows. It's nobody's business but tenants. Particularly if tenant has to pay for own hydro.
If they want to have tenants remove AC, then they should pay to upgrade the building to a central air system. They can then just add a small fee to the rent for the central air. Tenants won't complain about having to remove a window unit if they can cost share a more cost efficient system for the whole building.
Inside portable a/c units works great, just need room for a 4 inch tubing exhausting out of a window
They have AC units you can put on the floor or in a wall of the interior of the home for about the same price of a window unit.
How much would it cost to upgrade a building that size. That's the best option. If AC's are falling out he has a point. Upgrade the building.
Part of the issue are the things falling out of the window, it happens more than some think. The landlords figured out a compromise by having them inspected. Also mentioned was the issue of electrical overload, I bet the building is really old and not wired for the extreme draw those units have.
There are air conditioners that attach from the inside and sit on the floor. Upgrade the electricity and you’re good to go.
It's actually illegal in some states to deny AC/HEATERS tenates. They need to replace the AC units with something safer if there going to do that.
Illegal, it's not the tenants responsibility for the building having inadequate wiring to each unit. As for falling hazards, there exists window cages for AC units, again not the fault of the tenants for shoddy construction.
Tyrant!I'll bet he's living comfortably in his a/c.
If their a safety hazard then you as a landlord should pay to have them professionally installed!
They should be required to update the electrical system.
Subsudize a internal unit that just has hoses going out the window it also stops damaging the building like the water stains and make the building look nice and not like a dump which I think is the main point here the tenant are trashing and not realizing it
Landlords should install central AC or cheaper option of upgrading the amperage of circuitboard / including electrical in the bill. This is BS.
Yeah if you have 4-5 window shakers pre unit thats an issue. Those amps add up quick at that point.