Profoto B10 vs. Godox AD300 Pro Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, we pit the new Godox AD300 Pro against our favorite light, the Profoto B10 to see how it stacks up.
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Michael, your work is amazing and has been an inspiration for me. I was a Profoto guy for awhile. I had a pair of D1's and the B2 Location kit. Great performers and quality build but way overpriced. Still, I made the investment. What really ticked me off though is all the accessories are way overpriced as well. Everything with Profoto stamped on it is absurdly priced. When Godox came along with those 200's, I tried one and was sold. I sold all my Profoto gear and had enough to completely outfit my studio and location lighting and buy a new camera body. I've never had a reliability issue with any of my Godox (actually Flashpoint) gear. In fact, the only time I've had lighting equipment fail me on a job, it was the Profoto B2 kit that went belly up on me at a wedding. I am a full-time professional in business for 10 years now , almost 3 years with the Godox stuff and I have never regretted making the switch.
how is Godox V1 and which one better between Godox AD200pro and AD300pro?
@@Libinkttm V1 is great. I have one. Love it for general use but also in the studio for lighting my backgrounds because of the round head, I don't have the AD300 yet. I actually ordered one yesterday so I should have it in a few days. The 200's have been my workhorses. I'm hoping the 300 becomes my new location light.
I swithed from dynalites. love Godox
Same - I love my Godox gear. I’m guessing Profoto put him up to this video. The comparison with the Magbox wasn’t apples to apples - even he said you lose efficiency by taking off the front reflector and that on location power is everything. Wonder how two ad200’s compare in the Magbox to the Profoto.
Nice assumption. But they didn’t. As I’ve stated a bunch and in the video. The godox is a great product. We own them at our studio too. The comparison is as fair as it can get because you cannot use a softbox with the reflector. It’s just the way it’s designed.
Ad300, great light, color balance, and priced right! I can have almost 4 Ad300 pro lights to one B10, remember light is light, you have to know how to use it.
But...it's...not... "Pro-fessional".... and "overheats" and has less output....and doesn't even trigger the flash properly....and the battery on the ad200 doesn't have as much juice as the 10b...
@@PJ-hx5kw I just made 300+ shots in a crossfit gym yesterday and the AD300 pro fired every time and I even shot about 20 min video. I didn't even use the second battery. So for my needs - AD300 is a PRO-fessional light and you can get the job done. I am using it for real estates as well and never had an issue. And I truly believe that for most people/pro photographers PROFOTO is just a way to show to other photographers that they make more money :D :D
@@PJ-hx5kw I don't have an issue with it not firing. Is that thing? interesting.
What’s a good light that is a good strobe and has a strong modeling lamp for continuous video lighting?
Longtime Profoto user - since 20++ years.
Profoto essentially kicked pros to the curb and really do not offer adequate service. I (and others) have loads of Profoto lights that are not all that old and do not work and cannot be serviced for a reasonable fee.
Godox is AMAZING - super high quality and the price makes it a no brainer. Profoto has become an inside joke among commercial photo professionals.
Now - it is Godox for the win.
The same for me. Profoto close the post-sale customer services in Paris / France. You can but 3 Godox for 1 profoto...
Its sadly becoming that way with a lot of company to make room for profits .
Ditto.
I did it too, goodbye to Profoto
Unless you are a "legend of light" Profoto treats working pros like crap. I am not the only one insulted by their "support" and love how many other photographers are now adopting Godox and other brands. Word of mouth is way worse for their business than the sales from 175 Sal Cincotta A1 youtube videos.
You are making review and didn't even tested godox ad300pro. For b10 + trigger I have to pay 2000 USD and for ad300pro + trigger 560 USD, almost 4 time more. Is B10 4 time better than ad300pro? Can you make with B10 1280 full power flashes with one battery, has it 1200 Ws power output (4 time better than ad300pro)? Ease of use - to turn on the modeling light on godox you just need to push one button, to change the power just hold down a button for a second - this is what you call big difference in Ease of use? I have never missed a shot with ad200, even in burst mode and I'm doing a lots of weddings, newborn and maternity photography. At the and of your review you are saying that professional photographers should not use ad300pro and at the beginning you are saying that both lights are amazing. Would you be a professional photographer if you use only Godox lights? Of course you would. But probably you would be ashamed using cheap lights from China. To me, B10 is better flash then ad300pro in every aspect, but only slightly. I wouldn't advise anyone again B10, it is amazing light with great design and I love it. I'm just saying that the ad300pro does the same job and it's much cheaper.
4 times more power means 4800 wats...
I think you left the REFLECTOR CAP ON for Godox AD300 Pro on! For sure whet you demoed the modelling lamp min 5:40. if so the test is NOT correct!!!
Just switched from Einstein’s to the AD300pro and love these. They aren’t as powerful but still have enough for most product shoots. I love the B10 but my issue with Profoto is they are way overpriced. Yes there’s no doubt they are better overall but does anyone actually believe they are 1200.00 US better? No chance.
Foto Fx for me it’s not just the money, but the system: it goes from the normal flashes moves to the ad200 line , then stuff like the ad300-ad600 and the ad1200 the thing they are missing is the high end wall generators. So foe a very good price one gets into a very complete system.clearly decent global support (and rentals) is a must for many high end photographers but many of us can “make it “ with carrying a spare. Ah , and I forgot :no need to send it in to change a bulb
They are not overpriced, they are made in Sweden / Europe. And the ppl over there get we’ll paid which it’s not the case when it comes to the poor China ppl
Godox has been great for me and very reliable
I agree with you on lots of points... I do have the AD300 in one lens slot in my backpack. I had the AD200 and shoot bare bulb. It's much longer the more cumbersome than the AD300. Keep in mind, that the AD300 recycle time is much better than the AD200. Just to mention, you might want to look into the Godox ADS65/85 modifiers that mount directly to the strobe (no bowens needed).
Brilllliant review dude. Been shooting for 15 yrs now but decided to invest in Godox mainly bcus of the "ease of use" & "eco system". Profoto only caught up with Godox when it comes to ease of use only after the release of the B10. Godox remote also out perform profoto's. The benefits does not justify the price tag compare to the Godox price. I rather buy 4 Ad300 instead of 1 B10 and remote.
Like you said, i too will definitely go for the Ad300 over the Ad400
I just "upgraded" to Godox XT2 trigger and the Profoto remote feels like cassette-tape technology. I don't have to guess what the power is anymore lol.
Like you said he probly got pay for this video ain't no way he bring down godox like that b10 the price don't offer nothing special lol
I sold all my Profoto lights. Buying Godox. Sorry.
Don't be! Whatever works for you
I often hear the comment from profoto users "if you are a pro and need dependability" then choose a profoto. I shoot both studio and environmental portraits/weddings and have used two AD600 Pros and a few AD200s for the last three years (use of lights) and have not missed a single shot due to flash not firing. Flashpoint/Godox has proven to be very reliable for me, if this was not true, then the price difference would not be an issue. Just my thoughts
I had a B2 and was using it and the soft plastic on the modelling light button just fell off? Their chargers also die out due to what someone mentioned is a weak soldering point. I have 2 AD200 and 2 on-camera flashes and not one battery or remote has died in 2 years of constant usage. The AD200 is genius in it's flexibility. I actually use it with bare bulb head on the Profoto Magnum using the Godox-Profoto adapter. What a combo.
Definitely godox for me, brilliant bit of kit.
I've used Godox and Profoto. The biggest thing for me and the reason I actually still use Godox and have sold my Profoto (for the time being) is the trigger and versatility. The ability to combine small flashes like the TT350S for a hidden pop along with an ad600 for main and 300's as fill = incredible versatility. A rotating adjustment knob = speed. If I'm doing a 3 - 5 light setup the amount of time I save with Godox vs Profoto way outways the "quality" differences (which is a very quickly closing gap). If Profoto updated their trigger - I think it'd be a game changer.
Commercial photographer, here. You always pay, in excess, for small increments beyond a certain level. A Mercedes is a bit better than a Genesis .... but you pay 4 times as much for that "little bit." And you keep paying and paying .. (repairs, maintenance, etc).
I have used both Flashpoint xpl300s (and Xpl400/600/1200) and Profoto B10's. I cannot see how this comparison is very pertinent. It ignores some real points in favor of Godox/Flashpoint, and also raises unfounded questions about the AD300 -- for instance, I'm not sure how AD200 overheating is a "neg" on AD300, which is a different light.
1.) The Profoto modelling light is better, but neither are useful for video. The AD400/600 are barely good enough, forget both the b10 and AD300.
2.) The Profoto system is much more expensive to maintain, batteries in particular. Cost of modifiers, controllers, and batteries (huge) etc adds exponentially. I can get almos t4 extra AD300 batteries for the price of ONE Profoto battery. This ............ this............. ALONE!
3.) The Godox/Flashpoint is actually more color accurate. My personal testing verified what I've seen elsewhere ... the Gdx/FlP color mode is fantastic.
4.) TCM is a game changer, and makes it easier for beginners, imo.
5.) Profoto repairs are money, but you have to send it far away. Flashpoint from Adorama honored my repair with a replacement in less than 2 weeks, cannot say how reliable they other than the one speedlight I sent in.
6.) Yes, the B10 punches above its weight, re Watt/Seconds (Joules). I get 1/3-1/2 stop in my modifiers vs the Xpl300.
7.) B10 has better HSS, with better color and higher speed, imo.
8.) B10 has MUCH worse resale value compared to its price when purchased new.
9.) For those who have used neither ..... google "replacing Profoto B10 bulb" ... have fun. (Not user replaceable, and DIY violates warranty).
But ...... $500/$70 vs $1800/$450 for 1 strobe and 1 controller ... (leaving modifiers out of this).
I see them as equals with advantages and disadvantages to each, slight edge (lux/lumens) performance to the B10, and edge versatility in system to AD300. So these differences are minute compared to the $1000's spent here. You can get six lights 300w, 400w, 600w, a controller and a 1200w battery-pack from Flashpoint for the price of just 3 B10s and Profoto Air! (That's what I did, and now I only shoot Profoto b10 for a company that asks me to use their gear in their studio.)
Thank you why pay for all that money, knowing godox 300pro 400, 600 can get it done
I've done a few photoshoots on my channel with the godox ad300 pro and I love it. Easy system to work with. Nice video.
But it has less power!!! How do you manage?
Were you shooting the Godox with the protective cap on?
I have sold all my Godox equipment, several AD400 Pro incl. all Bowens light shapers! The reason was that Godox did not trigger every time and now and then a black photo resulted. Since I would have had the best picture exactly during this release, I had to act. Since I earn money with photos I change now to Profoto. Well, for all those who are still looking for a Godox trigger suitable for Nikon, the Xpro1 can buy this for 49.-.
When you are demoing the modeling lights, why are you shooting with the reflector cover on with the Godox? Also when you are firing directly at the light meter you say “with the reflector on,” but you clearly have the reflector in your hand when you are firing and subsequently show the light meter.
I use Profoto. Reasons: Ecosystem, ease of use, innovative. The Profoto price is too high but since I am already in the system, I can justify trading down. As much as I like, and am satisfied with Profoto, if I were starting from scratch today and Godox and Profoto have similar products, I would choose Godox only because of price and value. If I were a Pro, I would not want to wait for Godox to re-engineer the Profoto product if I need it now.
Yep. Totally get this for sure.
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto I totally understand not wanting to change systems. I also agree for anyone starting today Godox is just a better choice.
What Profoto product are you waiting for Godox to "re-engineer"? Perhaps Profoto should re-engineer the X2T trigger so I can see what power setting I am on without having to look up at the B1x on the lightstand.
Should have discussed the price of the remote triggers as part of the cost structure.
Yeah you're probably right. That does increase the cost gap quite a bit and I'm a fan of the Godox remote
exactly the Profoto Air remote is $450+ it's ridiculous!
@@javierherrera9450 Yeah, it went up!!! was $429 when I bought it.
@@javierherrera9450 it is even worse. I would never just have one. as a pro always have spares. so it is more 900dollars vs 130 dollars
Ok, I reviewed Robert Hall's video of the AD300, looks like you did not remove the protective cap that is on the reflector. Hope this helps
We did. My video guy shot b roll of the modeling lamp and didn’t take it off. But obviously we tested without the cap on 😂😂
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto Thanks for responding. Didn't or couldn't see the cap removed.
This sounds like a Profoto infomercial trying to sound like a "balanced" review. "If you are professionals" Profoto or else...
Godox in reality has become more and more reliable and its Pro series are a step higher in reliability and color coherence and at 1/4 of the Profoto price, it becomes a true rival.
Yeah not sure what to say to that. I feel like you didn’t watch the video. It was very favorable to the godox system. I am not on Profoto’s payroll.
If I didn’t share real world experience about the triggering issues I would be doing a disservice to people that watch these videos.
The godox gives you the best value for your money. Bar none. But it’s triggering system is not as reliable. I’m not the only one that has experienced those issues. There are examples all over the internet about it.
i watched the video and have to agree with Honi..
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto My $67 Flashpoint Pro triggers very reliable. I have no need for $450 triggers. Note Profoto B15 is Dope!
Yeah, the only reason I watched the entire video was to confirm my suspicious from the amazon-type "unbiased review" claim. Godox is learning at a "geometric rate" and is thumping Profoto with their versatile line of products. Their $17,000 Pro-11 just shows how out-of-touch Profoto is.
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto I've had the trigger fail on me on occasion and it was usually because I was too close to the strobe, but got one of their newer full featured triggers ($70 vs $400 for profoto) and no trigger issues since. Hey, buy 5 godox triggers for one profoto, use a different one for 5 days of the week! :)
I purchased the b10 about a month ago and love it. The weight and that it can fit in my camera bags easily allows me to travel with less luggage when I fly versus my b1. The user interface is so simple and sleek which allows me to be efficient for wedding and portraits. The biggest feature that sold me was the modeling light. Being able to switch from flash to continuous light for certain shots has allowed to to expand on what I can shoot in a fast paced environment.
That's why I love the B10! It's super easy to use and packs up nicely.....this is a great option for Godox users that want something similar.
We have just added a B10 to our arsenal (just wondering, if we should go for the B10 Plus, because of power). But what really has changed the game for use, was the Profoto A1, as our Canon speedlite died off. So happy with it, no more mess with the batteries. This thing is rock solid. Adding a B10 for the wedding promo shoot was a natural choice then.
I love the b10 plus, but it's a lot heavier with less battery life. The b10 is what I bring with me and I bring a magnum reflector for a bit more power when needed
Man, nothing that was said can justify an 1,100 price difference.
Yeah. $1100 at the very least considering the Profoto trigger is $450 now.
Which one is better godox ad300 pro or Elinchrom elc 125ttl?
Great review Michael. I use both both systems and typically bring out my B10's. It is tough though to swallow the price tag for run and gun applications due to drops, spills, and lost gear. I left a B10 at a wedding once and it was gone. That deducts 1700 from the profit from that wedding. Ugh, so I understand the price gripes. I love my B10 and the simplicity. I use a lot of continuous light at reception coupled with the Stella 8000's because we do both photo and video so it's invaluable. There are photogs that use Profoto because they have 10k invested in modifiers and other lights like A1's etc. Godox is a great fit for people that want more value with very similar results. The profoto is a better light but not 1200 better. I will still use profoto because of ease of use and works with my A1's. Comments that hit you for the "if your pro" comment are just being a little touchy. I got your point and agree with you. I know you were not incinuating that Godox users are not pros. lol. Calm down people. Thanks again for taking the time to do the review and hope you guys are doing great despite the tough year. Let's catch up! Mike
100% agree. We have the godox system as well for the same reason. Also for studios that have multiple shooters it's hard to justify the cost of a lot of profoto gear that they may not take the best care of.
Great video thanks for sharing
I am a high school senior and sports shooter based in flagstaff Arizona.
Two weeks ago I was shooting a high school championship game.
I pulled a light branded by Adorama out of my bag. It was about 28 degrees out, the light would not work. Over 60 Kids and coaches and a trophy and nothing.
I grabbed a 600EX out of my bag, threw a flash bender on it and made it work.
That was almost embarrassing. I am jumping to profoto not sure which one, either a B10 or a B2 or a B1
I have a wedding in Idaho next month so will decide soon.
Thank you for all that you do.
Invest that money in a long-term investment instead! You already learnt the lesson of being a pro: always have a backup. I fell for the profoto marketing hype and it really didn't live up to the hype. I use Godox AD200 all the time and it keeps making me money.
"Very few people are considering buying this (Godox) over this (Profoto)."
That's precisely why I watched this.
I've been shooting professionally for over 10 years. I have held off upgrading to Profoto so many times because each time I upgrade my strobes, I just get more bang for my buck from Godox/Flashpoint or literally any other brand of strobes. I get that Profoto is the "Apple" of photo strobes, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we get more from them when it comes to the final product. A good photographer can make shit happen with some Yungnuo speed lights and a whiteboard. You can literally get 3 AD300Pros for the cost of 1 B10. It's kinda bullshit because eventually, you will have to upgrade them again.
The difference between Apple and Profoto is that they don't treat their customers like dirt. I am not the only working pro they have turned way after I called their "support" line. I am glad to pay the Apple tax because they have provided excellent customer support. With Profoto support things got "medieval". I will never buy another Profoto product after the way I was treated.
regarding triggering on recievers use alcoline batteries on godox triggers
Yep, same thing with Profoto....the godox triggers will last a long, long time
So you measured a hot spot in center. It says nothing besided Profoto got hotspot in center which isn't good
Testing fan noise with background music on is not that helpful... - would the B10 be suitable as a continous light source for recording and filming acoustic music performances (say acoustic guitar), or would the fan be audible under such circumstances?
I think profoto is great but couldn't consider the prices, it's like the Leica of lighting where it's as much status symbol as a practical tool.
I have relied on my Profoto system's performance for years to get the job done, every time and I am never disappointed. From the B1 to B10 to A1's. I cannot afford lighting issues and recycle problems. I don't have anything against the Godox or Flashpoint. I put my money into the best lenses and lighting I can afford and I understand about cost, but issues are more expensive to me. That has just been my experience.
I have relied on Godox system performance for years to get the job done and I am never disappointed :) Godox lights are my daily workhorses and I shoot a lot. So exactly the same results for 1/3 of the price. Cheers.
Kuba said it best: "I have relied on Godox system performance for years to get the job done and I am never disappointed :) Godox lights are my daily workhorses and I shoot a lot. So exactly the same results for 1/3 of the price. Cheers." My Profoto B1x, B1 and B2 gear languishes at home because the Ad200 with Profoto modifier are workhorses.
Triggering problems with godox are mostly caused bij recharcheable AA batteries in the trigger because of the lower voltage. Use standard AA batteries instead, problem solved.
That's the same case with Profoto as well, you can't use rechargeable batteries....but I have only used regular AA's in mine
I am heavily invested in the Profoto eco system and despite the pricing, I love them.
My only issue seems to be that after some years, Profoto stops supporting their flash units. I have a bunch of Acute B2 units and other Power Packs from 2014 in need of batteries to prove my point.
There seems to be a serious design flaw with the B2 battery. My two B2 battery only used twice because I didn’t charge it for a while, it’s dead. It’s beyond ridiculous. Someone should sue Profoto and they should do a recall. None of my Godox battery has that issue. The battery issue is so wild spread almost all users face it
One thing on Godox side is the new release of Godox mount modifiers. The Ad300 and Ad400 go right in and the mount is considerably smaller then Bowens or Any other brand. Making travel with them easier to pack. And if you use a bag with Lightstands and flashes in it like a Strobius. You can now fit and zip closed the bag with a couple light stands and a couple modifiers. They only have 2 softboxes now and a large reflector with the godox mount. When they get a strip box released it will be an awesome travel kit.
And the Ad400 has the cord option so you can have it with larger modifiers if you choose and have less weight up high on the stand.
I like the B10 and B10 plus. But the Godox line just has way more options for lighting now. In studio, Profoto still has them. But for battery and outside use Godox reigns. The B10 I agree had more power directly in front of the flash. I almost bet the Godox Ad200pro with Fresnel has more power directly in front of the flash then the B10. But if filling a larger softbox. The ad300 does that better and casts a more even light across the face of the modifier. While the Ad200pro with fresnel and Profoto b10 and b10 plus have a hotspot in the center of the face of the softbox. Because they both use a Fresnel front lens that focuses the beam.
And I've tried them all. And I still use Elinchroms new ELB400,1200's because of the better power of HS over HSS that both Godox and Profoto use outside in bright sunny areas.
I will have to check them out!
Can you clarify whether your power difference comment is accurate? Specifically it seems that you softbox tested the profoto vs the Godox “without the reflector”, and as a result recorded that the Godox was a stop less powerful. Why not leave the reflector on the godox, which would seem to me to be more fair since the profoto has a flat front (and fairness is also demonstrated by your light spread test against the wall)?
Hey Michael . . . . Great vid! I've used (but do not own) B10's a few times, and have loved them. I totally understand that you compared the AD300 and B10 stock, as they come -- but one thing that would have been really interesting to see you compare would have been adding Godox's Profoto adapter to the AD300; as an addition to your thorough review, that might have been rather revealing to see the 300 as 'now' a true poor-man's B10. For $20, and not adding much bulk to the system, that adapter would also have changed the output characteristics of the lamp and modeling light. BUT, I get that no one is REALLY buying a 300 to then use Profoto mods. (Lol) . . . . nonetheless, it would be interesting. And I love the OCF grid system and such, so I can see some use-cases for having that adapter. Just my thoughts . . . keep up the great work!
well talking about ease of use about powering your flashes. I change the power of flash remotly with the trigger. Much easier then telling the asisstent to power down or up.
CGPhotoKandou can't argue with you there!
great review Michael
Great video. I love what the other brands are doing, by bring great value and features to the masses. I choose Profoto not because I'm rich, but for build, the mount (IMO the best in the industry), and if I need to rent additional lights from a rental house.
New to your videos and i have to say they are excellent . You def deserve more followers
Is the Profoto better? Of course it is, but is it 4 times better at what it can do for $1.800 at 4 times the price? Hell no not even close!! Profoto is a ripoff just like the Leica point and shoot cameras that cost $5K :-) Profoto Air Remote trigger is $439 tell me that's not a ripoff! They gouge a certain Niche of people is all! Godox is the absolute way to go for most!
I realy dont get it how to use the ad 300 huhuhu unlike the profoto is very easy
FYI Profoto cannot fix your light if you drop it in salt water even for a "second", I tried it, total loss on the B1.
Been there brother. Totally sucks! Dropped a new A7r3 and 50 1.4 in the water during a shot once
Hey man! Nice to see you making some videos on TH-cam! I took some of your advice for my Paris trip.. (see my last video) it was a ton of fun. The only thing on the B10's.. is that if you use the continuous light (mod light) for longer.. (say 5 - 10min) the fan does kick on.. and its much louder. In fact, I was shocked at how loud it is! We had to use it in Paris for some BTS video, and I remember saying to my team "wow" that's loud!
Nice to see you here.
but....he...said...it's....quieter
Hi! Love your videos! Please is very important for Pros! make a time recycle and recycle stress test comparison
Great idea. We are going to test recycle time with the overheating at the same time
I didn't know that the Magbox could accomodate that size.
Finally!! Thank you for this review!
Very nice review. I was thinking about the 300 but after seeing this and a few other reviews I think I’ll stick to the 200s. I have the 600 non pro when it came out and it’s great but it’s weight not so fun so when I have an assistant I use the attachment to move the flash bulb to the adapter but then it’s almost like it’s not battery powered because of the cord and all you have to carry (basically less convenient). So unless needed I tend to save it for studio stuff. So that made me interested in the 300 but it doesn’t quite seem to have a big advantage over the 200 and while a modeling light would be nice on occasion, I would rarely use it especially on location. Being a part time photographer currently, I would love to go ProPhoto because of its reliability (it does suck when the flash doesn’t go off on occasion). But like you said for the investment of the flashpoint or godox units they are a good value and provide photographers gear that can help us still create some beautiful imagery. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Aww yes ProFoto the Leica of strobes and modifiers. Unless you’re a trust fund baby I much prefer to spend the real money on bodies and especially glass where real quality differences are obvious. 5yrs ago you could argue there wasn’t really an affordable alternative but Godox is making quality affordable strobes everyone can afford. This full power nonsense is irrelevant to me. I can’t recall the last time I shot any of my Godox portable strobes at 1/1. I’ll gladly trade 1 stop of light for the thousands of dollars.
Not to mention in a finished photo can ANYONE tell the difference between using godox vs profoto?!
I went with the B10's for their size and power, which I need to get to and then use on location. I'd prefer the 500W overall, but they manage fine even in strong sunlight. BUT....one gripe... I want to have a strongly worded conversation with whoever decided that a flat grip was the right way to go with the tightening bolt that fixes them to the stand! It seems a counter-intuitive design choice.
I second you on that. I would love them to release an updated mount for it!
Have you noticed a color cast in the AD300?
Not anything noticeable. Color was pretty consistent.
What about color consistency? For me that is really important.
Anyone have any experiences with the Profoto air remote TL-s for Sony?
That isn't the AD300 reflector though, that's the protective cover of the head!!! The little hole on the protective cover there to help dissipate the remaining heat of the flash head in case you packed it quickly... No wonder you got a lower reading!!!!
Scroll up. We obviously took the cap off when testing. My videographer shot b roll with the cap on.
I have a pair of the Profoto B10 and love it! Glad to hear it’s a little more powerful than the AD300. The B10 falls in between the AD300 and AD400 which is perfect for me.
After making the bold move to Profoto, I will never look back. It’s just about simplicity on game day. B10s and A1Xs on a wedding have been great. I just really got tired of playing with a transmitter that was so cumbersome.
Jose Rodriguez facts. Just ordered some A1s.
Interesting point on reliability. Earlier this week a photographer used a AD100pro for an outdoor shoot of me and I noticed it didn't always fire. The temperature was around 90 so I don't know if that was a primary factor or if it could be a general reliability issue. I liked its compactness that helps for portability and using on location so it intrigued my interest for my setup. I have a Profoto A1, but I would like to add OCF although there is a huge difference in the price between Profoto and Godox.
I have heard precious few comments regarding either Godox reliability problems or any firing inconsistencies. Regarding overheating, Godox do have a built in thermal point where they go into a reduced firing rate and I have encountered this; it may be an overly protective algorithm built in. I would rather have the versatility and built in back up of three Godox units vs only one Profoto. Although I have an extensive amount of Godox units for my own use, I did purchase 2 new Profoto B1's as a gift for a friend a few years ago. Right out of the box one failed and required 6 whole months to rectify. That part was not cool.
Don White yeah that's a terrible experience. Did the store not replace it for you?
This is the kind of "support" Profoto offers. I have 4 Godox lights. I also have 2 of thier LC-500R RGB Stick and it is simply amazing. All for less than $27,000. None of the godox equipment I've had has (knock on wood) failed in 2 years of continuous use. I travelled abroad extensively with AD200 units in rough conditions and the damn things just keep on going. Definitely prefer having multiple lights without the weigth penalty.
What is your opinion on either as a small home studio option in addition to outdoor?
I think both are great options!
hahaha Michael at the end you sound so biased. "if you're a professional" When you realized you spent 3 times more for a light that does the same thing a 500 dollar flash does. I saw it in your eyes ;)
I mean.....It's my opinion, and I prefaced this by saying the ad300 was a great buy for the money...but regret? Not a single bit of it, I love my profoto lights and they work best for me.
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto Interesting, have you ever used Godox exclusively on a shoot? If so, what problems did you have with them?
Yes, we have a lot of godox lights that we use for our associate team. They are good value. For me the issues were transmitter reliability and the fact that they overheat making continuous firing difficult during wedding receptions.
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto Ah gotcha, I've never run into overheating but then I may not stress them as much as you do. But being here in Texas summers definitely get toasty. I've only very rarely had misfires and its usually just been when I was too close to the strobe...go figure?! Thank you for your reply.
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto Does the AD300 have overheating problems?
I'm a Elinchrom user, and I was very interested by your review as I'm thinking to buy one of these two, until I've seen you were comparing the modeling light of both with the reflector cap on for the Godox!! (which means a lot, discredit all this comparison and your channel/reliability!) sorry
Good try anyway!
I wondered for a moment why he did that... Hmm
Interesting observation. We obviously didn’t test the light with the cap on.
Our videographer shot b roll with it on, but I’ve been doing this for 10 years now, I know how to take a cap off 😂
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto hehehe I'm sure you do. `We all make a mistake now and then... hehehe All awesome gear. Nice to have both for when you don't want to risk certain gear on a shoot. The outcome will be the same but durability would be my only thought between the two if you drop either x amount of times.
Did you decide to go with the Elinchrom 125? I'm debating.
is the modelling light on the ad300 more powerful than the regular modelling light on the usual AC powered wired strobes?
I had 3 ad600, 2 ad200 and 10 flashpoint flashes when I started my photography. in my personal experience I can tell you that the flashpoint/godox lights are not fully reliable when you doing an event or wedding photography. in these cases the rapid response is a must. I lost many shots in weddings with flashpoint units and I switched to Profoto last year. no single issues since then. very happy with Profoto. I think godox is good light for beginners when you learn flash photography. kind of a driving school.
Now I own several Profoto Aix, b10 and b10plus. so happy
I had a similar experience when we use them. More so on Sony cameras than canon but the overheating issues are there for sure on the ad200 and v1, v860
i use panasonic cameras and never had a problem. There are other pro photographers who use godox. If profoto works well for you then great you found the light working for you :). But in my opinion you can get amazing photos with every brand of flashes. Its like with the camera: use what makes you convinient about your photography because then you can think more about your photo.
@@CGPhotoKandou I used to have issues with old triggers but zero missed shots with new X1 Pro triggers using non-rechargeable alkaine batteries (important!). Now it's as reliable as anything else. Never used AD200. Just AD600, AD600Pro and now AD300Pro. Loving the system and I shoot on it daily.
@@kubal7247 yes maybe thhe rechargeable batteries are a problem. I always use alkaine batteries. maybe thats the thing why my works so well.
great comparison, love this video, I'm a profoto user and got the godox ad100pro for my aquarium photography. I noticed major colour tint or shift on the ad100pro, do you notice this or does this exist on the ad300? The profoto prices for a casual shooter is $$$$ and their service in my area is terrible and expensive
Using ad 400 pro and 2 200ad pros
Haven't had issues yet. Though the modeling lamp is easy use the twin head adapter. I have one for each ad 200 pro. Makes all the difference when using modifiers. Really makes this kit have 2 400w lights in a pinch. That is what i like about godox the versatility of adapters.
Oh if you're using lithium batteries or rechargeable in the transmitter you will have issues.
also the manual says you should power up controller first then camera. also, if you have any issues use the scan function if your trigger has it.
@@PJ-hx5kw That's true too. Which is part of being a professional photographer vs just getting in business first year over and over. I sometimes wonder about the reviewers. Do they actually have a business or just do photography at high level without daily clients. Maybe that is why they have horrible habits for daily work.
for the question you asked: i LOVE Profoto for their super simple user interface. Wedding photography is my side business. At weddings i never have time to figure out how i should set up somethin with the flash. It has to work. Thats why i have chosen the A1X and i am about to buy the B10. Feeling much more safe with the Profoto.
Im relooking your video and what I think you called the AD300 reflector is actually the flash protector. Am I right or wrong?
The part I removed in the video is 100% a reflector. You can see in the light spread test how it affects the throw
Thanks for responding.
Um… please tell me that you know the cal comes off the end of that reflector on the Godox right?
Really? Hadn’t had a clue. That must be why the light wasn’t firing 😉😉😉
Our videographer wasn’t a photographer and was shooting b roll in the studio. I took it off for all the tests obviously.
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto well.. since you have it on the entire time even when showing the modeling lamp… soooo. Wasn’t sure you know. Especially based on all the other inaccurate things you said about the Godox. Misfires? Not sure where you got that. If you get any it’s likely because you didn’t do a frequency scan for which channel to use. Something I don’t think the profoto remote even let’s you do.
Multiple buttons for an assistant to change power? Why would an assistant ever need to do so? With the $60 trigger from Godox you can change the power and see all light powers from the trigger… something the $400 profoto trigger can’t do…
I’m not hating on Godox. I like their products a lot and recommend them.
Misfiring and overheating is a thing with some of their lights. It happens. Been tested and proven over and over again not just by me but by many other Godox users. Can’t ignore it in a review. But for 1/3 of the price it’s expected to not have perfect consistency. Wouldn’t stop me from buying them if I was in the market, would just be more selective on the lights I choose to use for specific events.
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto Don't know what to tell you. I own 4 AD200s, 300 pro, 1200 pro, 4 ad600s and multiple speedlights.
have never had misfires or over heating. You would have to be shooting at a pretty high rate of speed to see overheating issues and/or over taxing your HSS which most flashes will start to have issues with. (especially since profoto has slower recycle times)
I have also in the past 5 years or more never heard anyone bring up either of those issues and I regular speak around thousands of photographers.
You went on to say something like... if you are a professional you would select profoto... which of course is just absurd. I owned profoto, alien bee, elinchrom and godox/flashpoint. not much difference.
And then there are all the ways godox shines that profoto can't touch.
Price (of course), massively better speedring, ability to get multiple triggers for different flash systems vs $400 a pop, Can change flash power from the remote and know what flash power you are on over multiple strobes, and one of the biggest ones... the ability to add an extension head so that you don't have a heavy (and expensive) flash at the top of your light stand or on the end of a pole where your assistant wants to harm you after a long day. Larger flash power within reach (a $1200 1200 watt unit vs profotos $16,000 version)
and I have seen the extensive side by side tests and you aren't giving up anything to the profotos. In fact I believe the equivalent godox had higher output (not to mention again the much more affordable batteries so you can have more on hand)
When you are buying profoto you are buying for the name on the side of it. (same with all of their modifiers). Your clients don't care.
Elinchrom used to be nice but they got rid of their pack and head system in favor for an all in one unit. (plus their speedring was worse than profotos)
good info @michael
Service. Reliability. Ease-of-use. Sounds like Godox to me.
I just switched from (2) godox ad600 pro and 1 ad200pro to (2) profoto B10 and I am so glad I did. I agree profoto B10 in my opinion is the best light out there for at least my needs. Love the profoto remote never have a problem seeing the display like I did with the flashpoint remote in the sun. And just not having to hear the fan all the time is great. My only gripe about profoto is the cost of the modifiers like the octabox, then a speedring, then a soft grid. That adds up so fast compared to what you can get a bowens mount for with all that. Other then that I will never use anything other then profoto.
I was a bit upset about their modifiers too - the speedring, rodes, the old school. We live in times of the click and quick boxes, right? As in our studio, we are still an Elinchrom users, I looked into their Snaplux softbox and found out, it is mostly a rebranded Phottix Raja 65, which is a bit larger, has silver interior, two diffusers and bounce deflector, so it can work as a beauty dish too. We still wait for its arrival ....
1.28 you say an unbiased review and in the next sentence you say that Profoto is better than Godox. Definite bias before the testing is done. I was going to switch to Profoto from Elinchrom, but why pay four times the price for two flashes that are both made in China? Swedish designed and Swedish made are completely different...
I’m confused at your statement. I gave godox a glowing review of the product. I said I will continue to use Profoto because it’s better for me. If you find more value in the godox system, then it’s definitely better for you.
And just a heads up all Profoto lights are made in Sweden, with some parts coming from other European countries. They aren’t made in China
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto When I emailed Profoto as to wether their products were made in Sweden or China they declined to comment. I have an issue with Chinese made stuff because of their continued illegal occupation of Tibet. When they refused to say where they are made I concluded that they are made in China. Can you get them to confirm where they are made? I'd love to switch from Elinchrom, but I shop ethically.
Have you deleted your reply???
@@busternineshoes Which reply, they are all here. I already checked with Profoto, their products are made in Sweden with some parts coming from other European countries, but the lights or any parts of the lights are not made in China
Excellent review
Lets face it, profoto and godox, both are lights. Both will serve u well if u know what ur doing. End of the day, it only boils down to the price....
I’m a pro for 40 years , won many WPPI album
Competition and I had the Profoto 500 B 1 B2
And i switched to Godox . Godox is as reliable.
So when you say just starting out as a photographer, that’s a mistake.
I can shoot lights out against anybody .
I’m a master Photographer both with WPPI and PPA.
Whats the mistake? Are these not a good option for people starting out? They can be good for seasoned pros as well, it all depends on how you shoot.
You say they are reliable, I have had a different experience altogether. My style of shooting requires quick refresh of the lights and the ability for them to not overheat during critical moments of a reception or ceremony.
I do hear the newer lights don’t have this problem, that would be excellent. My experience with reliability is with the AD200, and all of the speed lights.
Thank you for your video. We sold our A1, three B1s, and triggers but retained the light modifiers. Do you recommend the B10, B1X, or other Profoto strobes? I would have retained the three B1s had they had the capability to run on AC as well as battery. I did not care for the A1 at all. Have you tried the A1X. If so, is it better than the A1?
I'm sure you got your answer already, but no the A1 is not better than A1X. It works with a cell phone is why it is different.
B1 is basically the same as the B1X, you will still encounter the same issue with not been able to run on AC as well as battery. B10 is half the power of the B1/B1X. Buy the "B10 Plus" as its the same power as the B1/B1X and also has the capability to run on AC as well as battery.
Hi there,i am a Godox User and never had any problems with them and i love the colors it brings out even with speedlites.I just bought the AD300PRO and i used it for a New-Born session and i am very satisfied with the results :) And PROFOTO still stays the Rolls Royce of Flashes thx for the video :) only one thing you did not mentioned was the high speed sync its an incredible cool + for freesing the subject :)
I think godox makes great lights! The value can’t be argued with!
Again the "value" qualifier. It's a subtle neg on the Godox product.
On the godox did you take off the small cap when testing it? Not the reflector but the little cap.
Yeah we did
Invest in long term gear. Been a PF customer for many moons. Their commitment to their products is unparalleled. Never had any issues and if i did, I am sure PF would step in.
10 years ago i would have agreed with you. I used profoto back in the day.
Wishful thinking pal. ProFoto support is certainly no better then Godox. But keep justifying the ridiculously overpriced strobes.
@@mikerichardson60 the sad part is profoto really did have great service back in the day.
@@manilamartin1001 I respectfully disagree having had recently used PF support confirmed my decision to invest on their brand
@@MarcoCastro I'm glad to hear that. I now live in Philippines instead of the USA so I don't have recent experiences using their service. We don't have Profoto service here.
A couple of questions, how did the modeling light outputs compare? And why don’t you show the output settings of the godox when testing flash output? The last comes across as shady. I am a profoto user, but still, transparency is really important. That being said🤭
Shady? Yeah man, super confused, but it’s TH-cam so I guess it’s ok to make conspiracy accusations. You can go to 3:21 to see the meter. Both lights were full power. We also measured at half, and a quarter and power remained consistent on both lights, which is a good sign for both of them.
What reason would I have to change numbers? Profoto doesn’t pay me, I’m no employee of theirs. And as I said in the beginning of the video, Profoto and godox are not competing for the same photographer.
I’m just a user of their products. Much like you say you are. I also own godox lights.
Modeling lamps were exactly the same power on both ends of the color spectrum, only difference was fan noise.
Michael Anthony thanks for the reply.... but there isn’t a shot of the power level of the 300, I’ve watched it several times. That being said😂.
Love the video! Solid comparison. Yeah, I think you need to add another video comparison about recycle time. One thing that I don’t like about mono block head is the weight distribution. If I gonna use big modifier such as 3 foot octa on manfrotto nano stand, it is gonna be top heavy. For this kind of situation I prefer profoto b2. Yeah, i can use my bag as sand bag or using c-stand instead nano stand, but for run and go situation.. for me b2 is more convenient. Good thing about b10 is faster initial setup.
Yep. The specs on recycle time are out there but I'll update with real world stats in a future video
Classy when a profoto user doesnt bash another inferior product... Great work man!!
i like godox ad300pro, very compact with respect to ad400pro, nice modeling light (there is quasi none from ad200pro in a softbox in studio or for night portrait). The godox mount is amazing for compactness of godox umbrella and 60/85 cm godox mount softboxes. If needed, S2 adapter makes it bowens compatible and less sensitive to incline slowly to the floor (ad300 pro problem).
It’s a really great light! Powerful and affordable
just ordered a ad100 pro kit with 2 lights bag... Looking some tutos it seems so nice to locate everywhere on the ground, with umbrella,... so one ad300pro and two ad100pro should make a interesting setup
I'm going to add the B10 to my existing Profoto equipment - Thanks for the interesting comparison..
You can't go wrong with the B10! Still my favorite light of all time!
I have a B10 and its one of my favorite lights and I use it all the time. It really puts out a lot of light for 250w and is super reliable. I bought a second battery but I have yet to actually need to swap batteries during a shoot. The B10 does has one quirk that annoys me though - if you hold the light too close to the air remote it won't fire - like if you are holding the light while shooting.
watching this i can see your bias towards profoto the godox is easily better because of the price . if we doing a 1- 1 for price the godox ad1200 pro would destroy this profoto light
Great video! What phone you got there? :D
I've been doing photography for over 10 years professionally and personally but mainly use natural light but I am looking to get into more fashion / light photography. I don't currently have ANY lights besides some cheapo constant lights from Amazon that I've use for product photography. I feel that for me right now it is a tough position for me to compare the two. I'm the type of guy that is a buy once cry once for quality and reliability and the user experience and customer service. But at the same time when I pull out my Credit card and go to purchase a single light that is 1700$ I sort of cringe. Godox for me would be a fantastic entry level get the job done sort of light and it would allow other purchases too like different modifiers, stands, stuff like that to get my shooting up and running.
I started with Profoto and now using Godox. I did not cry once after buying Godox. With Profoto and lack of support I am crying just thinking of the wasted money.
Flashpoint, ProFoto, Godox are brands made by Godox Michael your not honest !
I'm not honest? You literally just said profoto is made by Godox? Show me your source. I won't be waiting because you don't have one
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto ProFoto is a brand of Godox ! We can ask them to their faces,
Profoto The Idol
I find the Good AD300 interesting, but I'm in the Profoto ecosystem. I love my B10's and B10 plusses and, for more power and faster recycling, my D2's. Of course Profoto is much more expensive, but I expect my flashes to last me a long time. However, if I were to start from scratch, Godox would be a very interesting option. For the price of a single Profoto head, you can build a multiple head Godox system. For me, Profoto is worth the extra money.
The B10 is a design masterpiece. Ugh, it's so expensive though.
Tungsten modeling lamps like those on Profotos really screw with mirrorless cameras. You look through the viewfinder and everything is orange, you snap the shot and it looks normal. Not Good!
Try turning on the exposure simulation, it should help with the color differences!
@@MichaelAnthonyphoto It is still Orange on the Canon.
I thought the Godox Ad300 is so overpriced. But I just bought it anyways. Lol. It’s nice and small and only a little less powerful than the big Ad400. There is a case to be made for its size
Hi Michael,
In terms of QUALITY of light, do you notice a difference between Profoto and Godox? I am a professional photographer and I have always used Profoto. I'm investing in a home set up, and although Godox is verrrry tempting because of the price... I'm concerned that "budget" strobes will look, well, budget-y. Profoto is so crisp and sharp. Any noticeable difference? Also- your thoughts on the B10 vs B10 plus? For home studio and occasional on location needed to overpower sun?
Profoto B10 vs Godox AD300 Pro? The reality is that Profoto obviously see Godox as a threat, so a comparison video is made between two very similar products. If anyone one thinks that the Profoto is worth spending the extra money on they obviously think giving their money to the name Profoto makes them more of a professional. I see more Profoto product placement than any other lighting brand, is Profoto better than Bron? Everything is relative photography equipment wise.
yeah, profoto doesn't even allow comments on their videos. Godox is confident and Profoto is too sensitive.
Im a Profto user b10 3 A1 I switched from good 2 ad200 1 ad600 for portability conectivty and faster workflow and also I was at a photo shoot and there was like 5 weddings going on in the area every channel I tried to go on kept getting hijacked by another Photographer remote
Next time you may wanna take the cap off the AD300 Pro lol