IS IT TIME TO SAY GOODBYE TO PROFOTO? Godox AD 300 Pro Vs Profoto B1
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Think about this I have 2 AD600PRO, 2 AD200PRO, 8 modifiers excluding my umbrellas that cost less than one Profoto... Without a light failure yet!
I have the exact same setup! Lol
yeah im up to 3 godox strobes, 3 nice c stands, and a handful of modifiers and still cheaper than a lower end profoto. way happy with godox. even the guys at my local camera store say dont waste your money on profoto. lol
8 months later, can you still say the same? Looking to go into the AD series, just curious if you're still positive!
I think Godox is reliable light ... and Profoto is equally reliable. But in 10 years time if something happen to my Profoto , I am sure I can repair and use it for another 5 years, where as Godox you may need to replace with new one and may cost same or less and get better light. I have both ; quality wise they are equal, performance and reliability wise, they are equal. Price wise Profoto is much more expensive. Would I buy Profoto over Godox? yes if I haven't tried Godox. Would I throw away sell my Profoto and switch to Godox? No, Profoto has the brand that create some confidence to clients. I like clients when they smile and not worry about the brand of my lights. You know some very high class client / celebrities will get nervous when they see brand they don't understand. Its like would you drive a Honda or Toyota to pick up Queen Elizabeth / Taylor Swift ? , even though you know Honda or Toyota maybe equally or sometime more reliable than a Porsche or Rolls Royce.
@@Cwookie_ 2 yrs in 100% reliable and gorgeous light. At a fraction of the price vs the newer X series Profoto gear.
We could not be happier with our Godox equipment,,,nothing has broken in 3 years,,,great support here in Canada.
Gotta love what Godox is doing and how they are doing it. Awesome video 🙏
Excellent video on the Profoto & Godox strobes. I'm in the Nikon system and invested in the Godox system flash system since the beginning and I am so grateful and love it. You touched on a lot of key conversations about Profoto and other similar expensive lighting systems. At the end of the day, a nice while light is what we want. It is refreshing to hear a video about this. Thank you.
I have 2 AD300s and 1 AD100. I carry 1 AD300 & 1 AD100 in my backpack, along with my camera and 3 lens for on-location portraits. It's a great combo. * Darren - the most of the XPro triggers are interchangeable with other brands so long as you shoot in manual mode (which is all I do). It's the TTL function is why there are different triggers to the various brands.
you're partially right. Yes, you lose TTL function. And other issue is sleep. You have to press a button to wake the trigger up. And that's annoying.
Another great review from Darren. Thanks.
I have sold all my Godox equipment, several AD400 Pro incl. all Bowens light shapers! The reason was that Godox did not trigger every time and now and then a black photo resulted. Since I would have had the best picture exactly during this release, I had to act. Since I earn money with photos I change now to Profoto. Well, for all those who are still looking for a Godox trigger suitable for Nikon, the Xpro1 can buy this for 49.-.
Was having that issue with my Godox also, but as soon as i changed the channel from 1 to 25, i never got any more miss fire. Try it, it works
@@akpevbe Thanks for your information. I have already bought the Profoto B1x. But thanks anyway!
Had the same experience with the ad300.
I’m ready to sell-off all of my GODOX kit and move to Profoto. I am ramping up my photography business….and while the Godox stuff has generally worked, there have been too many instances of misfires, inconsistent light power from shot to shot that I can not trust Godox in front of clients. I’ve tried the different channels and yes, moving into less busy channels helps with misfires… but still experience inconsistency in the actual output from shot to shot. One shot at F8 it firescorrectly, then next shot it might fire at F11 or at F2.8
I started with elinchrom rx4s, and some pocketwizards. Eventually bought an AD600 Ttl and sold my elinchroms at a huge loss my mistake. Eventually bought a ad1200pro super nice can't wait to use it more.
Left profoto also never miss a beat !! Godox is almost the industry standard for sure there are simply crushing it now
been using godox for years. I've had 3 ad200 and just picked up the ad300pro. very reliable and easy to cary!! I carry 4 flashes in 1 backpack and still have room for 2 more
Some years ago I got a Godox V860II and never looked back, since then I've been collecting pretty much all their stuff.
So true 👍I was Porfoto user since 1998!
Such a lovely comparison Darren. It takes a lot to come out and point shortfalls of a system that you have been using for 7 to 8 years!
Loved the video.
Thanks 4 the video Darren
Thanks Darren. I just added a Godox ad 300 to my arsenal of gear. I use Einstein 640 strobes that plug in and I always wanted a battery operated light to add to the mix...I use all Pocket Wizard triggers so it took me a while to get info for a compatible trigger for Godox...I add PW plus and all seems to work. When I was beginning photography I foolishly spent way too much on a few Profoto umbrellas...they are made well but pricy....Einstein was always a great resource for repair at $50 but now that the shipping is so expensive its just not worth ordering online...my point is Im also looking around...I took the Godox on a small product shot gig and it was so great not to have to plug it into the wall. Tho the S2 mounts are metal and heavy I really love them for speedlights in addition to the ad 300...Im glad to hear you speak so well of this light...I feel better about dishing out more cash on yet another piece of equipment...thanks for a great review...Jan in NYC!
Thats was great information, very useful, thanks Darren.
I also swapped out my two Profotos B1 for Godox flashes. Especially outdoors, the small Godox flashes with the small mount are an advantage. The small AD S85S Octabox is less than half the size of a Bowens mount light shaper.
My Godox flashes have often fallen to the ground, so far they have withstood a lot of stress.
I don't need tons of different light shapers, I just need the right ones for the job.
I can only recommend the whole system and only use it for my shootings.
You can see many examples of this on my channel. Unfortunately only in German.
I'm glad that you too saw the way of the reasonably priced future. All of my lights, both studio and field are now Godox/Flashpoint and I have three triggers for my cameras. I made a gradual switch beginning almost 2 years ago. I can afford spares now, and the 2.6 ghz frequency seems almost totally devoid of interference on any channel. The communication between the lights and transmitter is rock solid. All of my GOBOs are Bowens S mount, so not too happy about needing that mount adapter either, but I haven't yet bought AD600 or Ad200 Pro lights yet either. I think I'm going to wait a year before going with them to see if they change the lights to Bowens S without a required adapter. They almost have it right, except for this. Thanks for the comparison. It helped further convince me that I made the right decision.
Hi Darren,
I use the Godox system myself (Pixapro UK Branded) and it has been great. From speedlites to the big 1200 pro we have a ton of options. A few people I know alays talk about Profoto providing a better quality of light, better moidifiers , more consistent light. Not so sure myself but not had any real hands on time with Profoto and don't feel the need to.
The only advantages Profoto brings to my mind are.
1. Lighter wallet - not really an advantage lol
2. Rental houses will most likely have them VS Godox.
Thanks. looks good I use 3 AD200s. Used to have a B2 Profoto but sold in favour of Godox. Use Bowens 500 W/s at home but can see logic of standardising on just Godox. AD300 looks neat for size and certainly way more portable than a 600.
Thank you for this
Great video, I’ve been using a Godox AD600BM for the last 4 years , it’s a bit beat up but still going strong. Recently added the AD300 pro and AD100 pro and I love them.
That was a very good and fair review. I enjoyed your comparison review!
No way is this a fair review. A fair review would be against the B10 series
@@robertgordonphotography They aren't that much different. The B10 is definitely more portable, but it's still super expensive, still has all of those cost drawbacks ($439 for a trigger, are you kidding me?), and worst of all, no user changeable bulb. When they were the only game in town, it was what it was... but times are changing.
Great video! Thank you! I am now a subscriber !
Awesome! Thank you!
I am about to do the same, Been using Profoto for 25 years and done with them, too expensive and now days Godox and Nanlite are the future. If I need Profoto for some reason, I would just rent them now.. After I bought the Giant Profoto 7B2 with battery and spent a fortune, 3 years later I needed to buy an extra battery and they do not even sell them anymore and they are too hard to find. Not to mention just the battery is more expensive than a whole Godox system. Profoto screwed up not letting people plug in a B1 while in studio, which would be a simple dummy battery solution.
such a great video, i;'ve been using profoto for the last 10 years and love it, the b1 is my current workhorse but if that breaks, an ad300pro would be more cost efficient than repairing my b1. I did get the ad100pro for my aquarium macro photos, it works well but it does have a colour shift which is annoying. i've semi corrected this with the gel. But when the time comes, it'll most likely be godox. the profoto softboxes are quite annoying to set up, i use 3rd party ones that are pop up open and works well. thanks for the great video and until the next one!
Profoto reminds me of Pocket Wizard which as the market changed and less expensive but as good or better options some of which included TTL became available, Pocket Wizard was late to the TTL game and than charged ridiculous prices for triggers with way worse UIs. Not to long ago Pocket Wizard had a paid firmware update. They are still acting as if they are the only game town. Profoto is doing the same. Ignoring the market changes over the last 5-10 years that are making them irrelevant due to their size, weight, and especially pricing. They will get away with it for awhile due to the mystique the brand has. Most using Profoto do so to be seen using them and to feel like they are "real" pros or have "made it." But the reality is in the current market Profoto is way over priced and the number of photographers willing and able to pay those ridiculous prices in the current economy is for sure shrinking every year. So while they are currently riding the past brand perceptions, I really think that won't carry them forever. Profoto gear makes sense at a small premium due to the build and design and such. But not at 5+ times the price.
Solid video. This is the kind of feedback I was looking for as I'm making the decision to go to westcott brand for lighting or profoto.
This was an excellent video👌🏾
I have 2 Godox AD600 and 2 AD360 (old and discontinued but still work perfectly). I use them in a studio setting but have used the AD360 outdoors several times. The AD360 are several years old and the batteries still hold a charge like day one. I did have to order new bulbs for the AD360 after 2 years of use and now keep a spare for both models on hand. I will say updating the firmware is not easy or fun. Also, I have heard/read that Godox support is not good but I haven't had a need to call them. I was initially going to buy Profoto or Elincrom lights but kept reading such great things about Godox and with the money saved, I was able to buy several modifiers, high end light stands and hand-painted canvas backdrops. I too am in South Florida but East (Miami).
Great video. I’ve drawn the same conclusion, Godox v Elinchrom having just bought my first AD200 it’s way smaller, more convenient to use quickly and a fraction of the price of my Elinchrom Quadra’s - and as you say, modifiers also are way cheaper. Wish I had now gone Godox for the studio rather than the ELC’s I spent £3k on! … amazed at the quality and intuitive control of Godox - unbelievable at that price point … wireless trigger is better than Elinchrom and £60 v £250!
Elinchrom , my boss use Elinchrom and produce beautiful pictures. I used it but haven't own one. Elinchrom is reliable and good light but I think Godox is a step above Elinchrom in terms of ease of use.
Good points!
This strobe family also makes studio-style strobing more accessible to more people. The reason I purchased mine.
Thank you 🙌👍
I could be wrong here but I think the nikon trigger can be used with the fuji. Not sure if hss will work but it's supposed to trigger the flash still...
Been using the Godox system for a while now and honestly as a wedding photographer the AD300 are my workhorses
satiesfied with build Quality?
@@AlexanderBischof he probably is. And if it fails, just go grab a new one for a fraction of a profoto. Smart
@@djrikk214 yes. I have an ad200pro. Good flash.but for example I overheats fast. Something that doesn’t happen to a Profoto.
So there is a noticeable difference in build quality and performance. Nothing for fast on location. Use. For weddings it’s maybe enough but nothing for Business shots of many employees in summer outside.
@@AlexanderBischof no complaint for Godox, they have nailed the market vey well. Well done.
I’m also a wedding photographer. One reason I left flashpoint and went to ProFoto, is the ProFoto systems simply went off much more consistently with the heavy use of a wedding reception and dance floor coverage. Especially the speed lights. The A1 is far superior to V1. My question for you does the AD300 have an option for using AC power? I don’t want the frustration of changing out batteries in the middle of reception if I don’t have to. That’s one of the main reasons I’ve held onto my Profoto D2 lights. I can power them at wall outlets at the wedding reception, and have no concern about battery the whole night.
Total godox fanboy, have two ad300’s an ad100 and multiple studio mains lights. Love them to bits 👌👌
Had a few Godox speedlights and triggers, Sold them and changed to Westcott speedlights and strobes. The godox price point is really good, but just didn't like it plus I can talk to Westcott for support they have been fantastic when needed.
Aren’t Wescotts just Godox re-brands?
Awesome video
I'm convinced
Good review Darren, convinced me to purchase this one - instead of Canon's new flagship Speedlight the EL1 which costs a small fortune.
Thanks for the great video. You mentioned you have triggers for each camera manufacture. My understanding is that Godox canon trigger will work with Nikon Sony etc. so no need to buy several triggers
I use AD300 most often on broncolor’s beautybox 65
The biggest disadvantage to the AD300 Pro is the mounting system to the stand. The knob is tiny and the tension is VERY low for what it should be. Using larger modifiers can really tax the mount and it can dip down. I'd like to see Godox come up with an optional mount with a stronger system that can secure the flash. I actually use some Pro Foto modifiers with my AD300 Pro. I love it. They are extremely light and compact. BUT the Pro Foto adapters for the AD300 Pro make it a big bulky for transport.. All that said, I'm a huge Godox/Flashpoint fan... I have 6 AD600 Pros and 2 AD300. It's a great affordable system and as Darren says, if something breaks... it doesn't break the bank.. ;)
Thanks Darren for a very insightful review.
Great video. 😊
When you need Bowens compatibility, rather than adding the Bowens adapter to the light, use the S bracket and just clamp the light in it. Much faster.
I’d have to see a demo as to how that’s achieved…
Yes i confirm ! The best way to get yourAD300 Pro in place with all the Bowen advantage !
Thank you so much for this great comparison....I want to get the Godox ad 300 to add to my collection which cost me a fortune...I still work with Einstein640 s which are fine but plug ins ...and now to order anything from Buff the postage fee is as much as many of the items! I also have three sb nikon speedlights and love battery operated strobes...I think Godox is the way to go for me...I have the s2 speedlite bracket which I believe works with the flash.. This will be my new birthday toy!!! thanks again
this is a turning point for me...since if the Godox lasts like lets say3-5 years (high chance)....vs Profoto lasting probably 10years at most...its no brainer to get the Godox...since its for its price theres like no rival...especially the AD300 range....
Hi Darren - that is the one argument I've heard for Profoto - that it is built better and will last longer. To me though, I could buy a new Flashpoint every 2 years for 10 years and it would be the same price as the Profoto - if it does break early just buy a new one - so what. Also, after 10 years there will be new and better lights to get. Also you should get the Glow S2 Round Flash S-Type Bowens Mount Bracket to use Bowens modifiers - it is better than the other one you are using and has a more robust tilting mechanism - it's like $25. This bracket also works for the Godox V1 round flash - that you might have for wedding work so it has a double use case.
Whats the point of profotos outlasting everything if they don’t support cameras from the past 2 years.
Whats odd is that canon doesn’t need to update the firmware for its native radio triggers everytime a new camera comes out.
I thought once profoto reverse engineered the particular protocol, that was it.
I have no issue with Profoto as I use Profoto Air Remote TTL-S for Sony and I own several Sony Camera. Maybe Canon and Profoto have some problem as Canon recently change and switch from EOS to the mirrorless R system. Also I can use iPad to control my 4 Profoto lighting. Godox also do have great transmitter , but I prefer Profoto as I normally control my light using iPad.
AD600 is a better comparison to the B1 and B1x, and it does have a built in bowens mount.
I do have the same thoughts. My air remote ttl just broke with the same failure as many has experienced, the lockpin got stuck, material failure was the reason inside it. And the price to get a new one, not right at all. So i started to look at Godox, i will get almost 4 AD300 for one B10 and as you say, if the transmitter breaks, well i just get a new with low cost. I really love my Profoto gears, it works magical and gives me the best of light but the pricing is just not good for a small company as mine, economics say, leave the Profotos and go Godox.
economically Godox is the best. If you want to compete on price, give discounts to clients and yet produce beautiful images, then Godox is the right choice. Profoto is more for higher end photographers that have clients that don't mind to pay extra. Quality wise (quality of light) Godox and Profoto they are almost equal. It is mind-blowing to see a $300 light can match $2000 light. But I will just keep my Profoto for my client that pay me extra. I just added few more Godox.
Thankgod.....another voice of reason: ANYTHING else but Profoto. $$$ GREAT Honest review.
How well do they work on the High Speed Sync? I used the Godox AD600s and they don't give much power when using 1,1000, 1/2000 or 1/4000 shutter speed in bright daylight.
Any color casts that need to be compensated for on the Godox?
I went for interfit S1 then found out that all their speedlights and othe flash used a different frequency hence they couldn't talk to to each other.
I would gradually make a transition to GODOX.
I use interfit and have no issues with their strobes and triggers (Nikon) at all. My reason to check out the Flashpoint/Godox is that for month interfit has no inventory and I can't buy any of their strobes (battery powered 500) Profoto can keep their overpriced stuff, I don't need a Rolex to tell time!
I am a semi professional photographer, but I am the guy who wants the most for their money. So I first started with the Godox ad200 with great success. The more I learned the more I needed more power on those real sunny days. So I picked up the ad600 for right under $500. Even though the ad300 is nice and compact, for the same price or a little bit more the ad600 is double the power. Godox makes some great products but their prices can be a little ass backwards with their newest products. The ad100 is $300 and the ad200 is $300. Me I want the most for my money. But I know the pro versions are smaller and have a faster recycle time. So I know that it means it should cost more. Bite I still try to get the most out of my money. Great video as always, love the channel.
Double the power is only 1 more stop. The size and usability of the ad300 is more important for me.
@@loudflashy2797 can it hold a big softbox? (ad300)
@@voederbietels I also have some of the S2 brackets, so you can use any softbox you like as all the weight is on the bracket and not the light itself.
@@loudflashy2797 I think it's one stop more for the ad400 and 3 more for the ad600.
@yashicat5 , doubling the power definitely only gives you one more stop of light! So the AD600 only gives one more stop of light compared to the AD 300.
All valid points, did you mention the b10? Like most things you get the gear you can afford…many paths to the same end. I just invested in Profoto b10’s…does that make me superior…nope…just got a good deal and my colleagues all use Profoto.
Owner of three Godox AD400Pros. Just love them. I draw the same conclusion as you. Just don't know how to justify the cost of Profoto.
Perhaps Godox changed their UI because when I tried them a few years ago I really didn’t like it and stayed with my Profoto as I loved the menus system. Really odd about the R6, it’s such a hot camera you’d think they’d be updating for it. I wonder if there is a technical reason.
Turns out, it was my issue, I have to issue a correction… The R6 does work with the profotos, even though it’s not officially supported, I had my camera set to first curtain electronic shutter, apparently it doesn’t work as well unless you select mechanical shutter. The default setting on the R6 is first curtain electronic and it will not work at all with electronica shutter. I didn’t know this and it wasn’t mentioned anywhere
Thanx for this video Darren you really hit the nail with this one. I am with profoto as well for like 4 years now and having the same thoughts. By the way did you try your Fujifilm 50S with Profoto B1, B1X as I just can't get it working in HSS I have the profoto connect trigger because I just didn't feel like playing AGAIN £349 for the TTL fuji remote after coming over from nikon...so connect works perfect with my XT3 but can't get it going with my 50S...
1 thing though these godox's probably won't last as long and if they fail in the wrong time...
Keep posting love your channel...
Thank you so much for your comments and the kind words, no I have not been able to get the profoto to work high speed sync with my 50 S - I haven’t tried the godox with the Fuji 50 S yet, but I will next week… The next video I’m posting is a face-off between 85 mm lenses across four different sensor sizes
Darren, The B1 and the B1X will be triggered by the Profoto Air Remote on the R5 and R6. I haven’t had any problems triggering them. Never have from the moment I opened the R6 from the box. Note when using a mirrorless camera on silent mode, it may deactivate the hot shoe.
I’ll take a look into this, I don’t think I’m on silent mode, I just know that I can’t trigger the profoto with the R6 and the sir remote. But I’ll try this tomorrow in the studio. Thank you for the heads up.
One other interesting point, the r6 isn’t listed as a supported camera on the profoto web page...
So, this morning I tried the Canon air remote on my EOS R 6 and it was in elec first curtain - when I switched to mechanical- it worked. I’ll have to issue a retraction. Thank you for the heads up!!
Even more strangely, when I set it back to first curtain electronic shutter, it started working… I’m telling you for months this thing wasn’t working… Very strange. I appreciate the heads up very much
is it powerfull enough in bright sunlight with a big umbrella ?
Sadly all manufacturers discontinue support with their products in time. I have several EF mount lenses now that Canon will not even look at. In fact, my Canon EF 500F4, at $7,000 at time of purchase requires an independent repairer *if I can find one*. FWIW I have both a Xplor 600 Pro and the Xplor 300 Pro for outdoor work. Build quality on the transceivers are questionable. The soft plastic shield on the XPro 2 will scratch very easily and be careful with the battery door as it likes to fall off never to be found again or broken by a shoe unknowingly. I have a piece of gaffer tape holding the door in place in case it wants to abandon ship.
I agree with most of this, my only issue is the b1x is a current offering and why Profoto hasn’t updated it to be compatible with the r6 is very strange to me, otherwise you make a logical argument.
The xpro triggers are cheap, but they get the job done and for $69, I’ll put up with inferior build quality for 1/5th the price.
Can the triggers be utilized by a film camera if used in manual mode? For example if i wanted to dial in my settings manually on my Sony, and then take the trigger off and run a sync cable from the trigger into my mamiya rb67 film camera? Thank you for such a thorough review!
I'm honestly not sure - I don't recall whether either has a sync port.... I haven't needed to do it, so I haven't looked - I'll check next time out.....
Godox HHS TTL support for the Canon R5/R6 has been broken for over a year and no updates have been issued for it nor has there been any indication that it will be fixed anytime soon. They are not 100% compatible with the R5/R6. I own two AD200's and wanted to get a 300 but I can't in good conscience. If you attempt to use HSS and TTL the moment you get above the sync speed of 1/200 a full power flash will be the result. The only work arounds are use HSS with Manual flash power OR use a ND filter to keep the shutter speed under 1/200 so you don't have to use HSS. Tried the X2 standard trigger and the Pro trigger and neither work.
Godox is a Beast...I have 3 ad 200 and 1ad 600.
I'm torn between the GODOX FV200 LED FLASH LIGHT 200 FOR PHOTO & VIDEO and the Profoto B10
I haven't finished watching this video but I strongly believe that you will swap for GODOX
Darren Miles Have you been using the TCM function on your triggers yet?... It makes getting your manual flash exposure dialled soo much faster than guessing.
I have not, how do you do that?
@@DarrenMiles Shoot an image in TTL mode then hold in the TCM button on the XPRO-C trigger & it will convert the TTL power setting to manual flash power. From there you can micro adjust the flash power.
Ohhhh, yes, I did know that, I use the godox’ s in manual all the time.
Hi Darren, the problem with ad300's is that both standard Godox reflectors for ad300 are bad and don't give out much light, also Marcus Pix found that the ad300 has a blue-green color cast, maybe they fixed this now, but I am interesting did you see this blue-green tint? What reflector do you use for the ad300 to extract the maximum amount of light from it and what reflector do you use with the umbrella, if of course you use an umbrellas at all.
I usually use the AD300's with a parabolic umbrella in the studio or with glow beauty dish/softboxes on location. I am not seeing the color cast. In fact, I'm not sure how it works, but High Speed sync and the AD300's is actually BETTER than the profotos... seriously.
agree
Great review, Darren!
And I think at 5:09, you sum it up perfectly.
Many Profoto users spend so much money on their gear that they wouldn't dare look elsewhere at a cheaper brand. I believe there are two reasons for this:
1. Exploring outside of Profoto would be a waste of time because Profoto users believe nothing that sells at a quarter of the price of Profoto gear could be better quality.
2. Exploring outside of Profoto would lead to a level of great disappointment if brands such as Godox, are proven to provide equal (or better) quality.
I personally believe that Profoto might be more durable over the long run, but the creative results are indistinguishable. Also, even if you have to replace a Godox strobe once or twice in a 12 year period, you're probably still saving money when compared to Profoto gear. Also, it might no be the worst thing in the world to update your strobes every 5 - 10 years. Strobes are are very sophisticated these days, and a simple firmware update isn't always sufficient. For instance, most strobes that were produced after the Profoto B1, are much lighter in weight - that's a hardware improvement. Godox has appeared to master this ergonomic feature. Godox has already killed off the Bowens brand, by offering the same lighting quality at budget prices. Profoto, might be their next victim.
tbh, even that perceived reliability difference is probably not real. I've used 3 600J Godox studio heads for 8 years and they've never missed a beat (and I take these to rental studios as I need to guarantee the lights will work, and have a decently low flash duration etc). My Godox-made Lencarta Safari II 600J location light - also about 6 years old, is also bullet proof - and has a plug swappable radio module - so now fitted with the 2.4Ghz radio - it's fully compatible with the new X-Pro triggers. This thing has been dropped, dragged through mud, rained on and still works just fine. My AD200's are only 2 years old, but also working just fine. My money is on Elinchrom next - and then Profoto :-/ (mind you, having seen the Godox P2400 pack - maybe you're right: this looks to be aimed squarely at the Profoto Pro-11)
Fotógrafo guapo!!
LOL.. Love my ProFoto strobes. Why don't you compare like for like or model year to model year ??
Fair point, mainly because it's what I currently have in the studio - I did splurge for the B10XPlus - and I like it a lot, but it's not worth 5.5 times as much as a godox AD300 Pro...
Yeah... I just dumped all my Elinchrom stuff for Godox. I can trigger Godox speedlights, monolights, AD300, etc. all with the same transmitter, OR with the speedlight itself!
The Elinchrom Quadra Ranger was a great 400WS kit, but doesn't offer HSS, needs an adapter to mount regular Elinchrom modifiers, and a replacement Li-ion battery pack is $500! Rebuilding the old battery packs with off-the-shelf lead acid cells is dirt cheap, but then you get hardly any full power pops from a battery pack and trickle charging takes forever.
The flash industry seems to have split into Godox, Yongnuo, & Phottix on one side and Profoto, Broncolor, Elinchrom, & Hensel on the other. Buyers either want good value, or they want cost-is-no-object Swedish/Swiss/German manufacture.
Middle of the road brands like Dynalite, Balcar, Bowens, Speedotron, Norman, Photogenic, & Novatron are either dead or seem to be nearly so.
And what the heck is up with Elinchrom's 7mm umbrella shaft diameter standard? This drove me nuts!
nice move. I would do the same.
Hopefully Godox won’t follow DJI situation in US and won’t be accused of spyware implanted in a strobe😀😅😂
Wow I just bought $6000 worth of Pro foto B1 lights etc!!! Damn !
Profoto is way better to use
Why comparing them? Profoto B10 /B10+ vs AD300
Because I only have B1's... :-)
the AD300 is 200Ws less powerful than the B1 so it's not the best comparison but if the 300 size works for your use case then I say more power to yah. Honestly though the AD300pro is barely more powerful than the AD200pro so it's not exactly worth the extra money to get the 300pro. I saw a real world comparison between the AD200pro and the AD300Pro and the AD300pro was only 1/10th of a stop faster than the AD200pro. The AD400pro was a lot better than both of them by at least a full stop. The best deal going right now is the AD600BM (non TTL version) it's selling for under $500 or you can get a full package with a bunch of accessories on amazon for around $550. If you don't need TTL thats the way to go I think plus it doesn't seem to have the same reports of battery issues as the pro versions.
people are getting played with Profoto. To pay 2600$ for a 500w B1x when I can get a godox 600w for for 800$ ( I took a non TTL one since I only shoot in manual for 100$ cheaper) means I can buy 3 of these for the price of an outdated B1x with no firmware updates (don't know if they resolved that issue since this video) I don't get it. you truly pay for the name. only advantage I can see ever so slightly is it might be more user friendly but the godox ad600pro is not bad to handle at all
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(2) AD400pro's, (2) AD200pro's (2) V860ii
Case opened and closed
GODOX!!!
What about the b10?
You know that Profoto and Broncolor are in trouble when one starts to prefer Godox without taking into account price. We have stuff like the ad1200, the ad300 etc. and worse , Broncolor don’t do Ttl and the Profoto don’t tells the power: no changes to that in 8 years.
TTL is for no-brainers ; people that buy Broncolor doesn't use TTL. Its like buying Lamborghini or Ferrari and then drive in full automatic speed control mode, comparing with the Tesla that have speed control ; can be fully autonomous.
The failure for Godox has to be when you co-trigger Canon + Sony it will get confused and messup the power (happened for SK400, AD360, 300 pro, etc). Trick if you've to restart or reset.
So far Godox are giving me pro results
Co-trigger? How many camera bodies do you need to shoot one photo? 😂
Profoto batteries are very expensive and to be honest they are also very poor and we became so tired of replacing them. We recently decided to dump all of our Profoto kit in favour of Godox, to date we have saved a small fortune, and Godox have been very reliable with no issues. I appreciate the quality of construction may not be as durable, but the saving and durability of Godox is first class. £350 for a profoto trigger, thats obscene, so goodbuy profot.
I buy a few Godox and still keep my Profoto, and I use Godox and Profoto alternately - they are equally good. But for more sophisticated clients, I carry my Profoto. It looks more professional with Profoto. Using Godox and Profoto is like coming to a party using Chinese brand car "Cherry" vs Porsche. You can say Cherry can run as fast or faster than a Porsche , but people smile more when you take them into a Porsche.
Thanks for the wonderful video.
As a Profoto user, I'm switching over to Godox too.
As mentioned by you, I have the same exact pet peeve with the company.
Getting replacement parts takes forever and I'm on the verge of giving up.
Bought a Godox AD400 whilst waiting for my Profoto replacement and I'm in love with their range of Godox mount softbox which is so small and compact.
Getting a AD300 later this week and my Profoto replacement is still not here yet despite waiting for 2 months.
Considering the price that Profoto is charging, I expected better customer service from them. If they don’t buck up and rethink their pricing strategy, they are gonna be like Bowens which is now acquired by Godox.
I think Godox have changed the game. If they can get a proper Para modifier, packs, Broncolor are done.
Godox moving into parabolic lights. But the price not very cheap, it is much cheaper than Broncolor but still not 1/5 the price. Its like 1/3 the price. Many Chinese light ventured to parabolic lights but not successful, even Profoto made parabolic lights and not so successful. Will Godox win? I like to try one. But frankly once you enter parabolic light, you are probably handling very rich and sophisticated client, that want the best. Even Profoto is not sufficient to satisfy them.
Why not do a real comparison and use a the B10 series. No way Godox /Flashpoint beats it. Ditched Godox/Flashpoint 3 years ago after being frustrated with misfires and the difficult trigger menus.
With the godox AD-BD adapter you can make it also Bowens mount, without the S-bracket. Or even profoto mount, so you can use the profoto modifiers that you allready have.
I have the same problem as you , the price is really unreasonable of Profoto product
Yup, I would rather drive a Toyota than a BMW, if I can have the reliability and get the job done !
Flash point and Godox is the same brand??? Is the same flash??.
I can't find flash point in Spain that is where I am from, just Godox.
Same product, different brand. Flashpoint is the name of the lighting division of a company here in the US called Adorama. They sell Godox equipment under a private label called “flashpoint“
Got rid of my Profotos D1.1000's & D1.500's and got Godox. 1 year and no regrets. Having a Remote that tells you what power setting you're at is practical. Also ... you can buy a Bowens' adapter for your Profotos on ebay. Stop buying the Profoto modifiers.
Het Darren! It's been a minute since we last spoke. Several years actually (Jog the memory: Nikon 200mm f2 vs. Sigma 135mm). I'll get back to that conversation in a moment. I picked up my first strobe of my short hobbyist career (Godox) because it was on sale and noticed that the 300 WS flashes are now on sale making them almost the same price as the 200s. So I had a question for you on them. I do not anticipate doing real estate at the moment but heard the handle that attaches to the C-Stand is "flimsy" on the 300s with a modifier. Also, for Bowens mount (have a Cheetah stand softbox), you need a bowens mount ring. Now that you've used this light for 2 years, any thoughts? BTW: I purchased the 200mm f2 because I found someone that didn't want theirs anymore and made me an offer I couldn't refuse (nearly same price as the 135mm f1.8 PLENA). Love everything about that lens except the weight (and distance to subject). That said, I take it everywhere and shoot everything with it . Quick question on stands: Have the impact Turtle based C-Stand for outside. Was looking to eventually get a Matthews Hollywood Baby Jr Triple Riser for inside (albeit also expensive). Any recommendations or thoughts? Hope you and the family are doing well. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Good to catch up!.
I love my B1 and B1X monolights and two of each. I do not own or have a need for Profoto's B10 series. The B1 series works just fine for all my location needs.
Now, I'm one of these people that keep a camera till it falls apart. I do not upgrade more than once every 9 or 10 years. However, plan to make the jump to mirrorless soon. If the Nikon Z9 is everything it's cracked up to be I'll invest in that. My issue? If there are compatibility issues with the Z9 and my B1 series lights I'm going to be pissed!
I really like a lot about it, but I do wish the AD300s came in the Profoto mount size. It seems like such an obvious fit. I get that it goes against the appeal of being compact and portable but for me, the simple mount is one of the best features of Profoto. Bayonet-style mounts are awful. :(
The firmware cutoff on the profoto makes their build longevity useless.
The flash doesn’t need to be updated with new cameras, the remote does. And the remotes support all the new cameras.
If he updated his remote, the flash would work normally.
Sold me.
Wish the AD300 was AC/DC powered.