Last time I said that a psu caught on fire. Threw together a pc from the garbage pile that could run cs go. Only had to run one evening for new years eve for a friends gf. Did it till an hour after midnight
@lucky m3x I would love to, but there's not one within 250 miles of me Edit: The guy I was replying to deleted his comment but was suggesting that we go to Micro Center
I am so glad that consoles can now give this performance for so little money. It puts strain on the pc manufacturers to give better quality parts for the same price and pushes innovation
Yeah...well nvidia just doesnt care. Their prices have literally doubled in like 8 years. Which is exactly why i switched to console gaming. No need for freesync, or gsync, or vsync, faster load times despite me having a good ssd on my pc. Better image quality. Not infested with hackers in cod. Its just a better experience now. PC used to have all the advantages in performance. Nowadays, it gets crapped on for the price/performance metric. Like its not even close. I have a 450 dollar gpu i bought 6 months before the series x released. And the series x is more powerful. And thats 1 part of the pc...pc gaming is just not it anymore unless you got hella money for a 4k 120hz freesync/gsync tv/monitor, plus the pc itself. Its ridiculous.
@@HeartInLight No way is an xbox better image quality than a pc, are you drunk. LOL. Of course no need for syncing software because your fps is capped to 60! 120 on some games. keep lying to yourself
I just want AMD to release a 200-300$ GPU with the same performance as a 6800/XT and crush the mid range market. But I doubt it would happen. A GPU that poweful would end up being in 400-500$ range.
Hence why the comments here are from PC only loyalists who are being petty. The next gen consoles are great value for money for accessible gaming or anyone who just prefers console/couch/the ecosystem
@@11202 It really is and so is the PS5. I won't be buying one but damn i'd be lying if I said it was bad, especially if you will play with no online and just gamepass.
@@twosad agreed. In the next 4 years PC will probably retake crown for price to performance (western digital already sells nvme m.2 ssds for $105 and that’s a tb of storage). GPU’s like the 30-50 series will hopefully be great for their price in a few years. Consoles will still be best for everyday consumers and ease of use.
Loss leader maybe? Selling at less than cost/cost/or marginal profit. In order to make money out of games and services? Kind of like how Sony did with the PS3.
I guess I haven’t confirmed it for myself since I’m not invested into the consoles much anymore, but don’t companies typically sell their consoles for virtually no profit and make up for it with games and exclusives? PC on the other hand, every part of it has to include profit for the manufacturers and intermediaries. Not to mention trade-offs of not having a pc and long term costs of consoles such has lack of upgradability and paying for features like Xbox live. I would love to see a truly in-depth comparison vs just a surface level side-by-side.
ya literally your a slave to the company with console Like on Pc if a game is exclusive to one engine you have options to all engines on pc so you can get the game no matter what. Plus if we add up to play online $60 a year plus on average 7 years till next console that's an extra $420 your spending in those 7 years so that pc would of payed off and you could still upgrade for cheaper then that. So Pc always ends up paying for itself in the end.
You should also factor in that it is a custom design but at extremely high volume. Every piece you produce more will cost you less per console. I would actually assume that they make a profit from selling alone.
I like both consoles and pcs. I enjoy that consoles are almost purely gaming devices while pcs are able to do a ton more, and it’s just fun to mess with them. I tend to play a lot of strategy games, RTS, 4X and management games on PC while I like RPGs on console. I like it all lol.
So and now dear linus you can add the costs for Xbox gold or psn so you're able to access the internet and play with other people and friends and the premium price on console games and accessors over a lifespan of approximately 7 years and then build the pc with that budget again and it's more a apples to apples comparison except the optimization of the games for consoles are only need to be tinned with one hw Config instead of millions of possible hardware configs.
I’m actually really surprised the pc held up as well as it did as having owned a 1070 since launch I thought it was gonna be really one sided in Xbox’s favour but surprisingly not so much
I do understand you, though. Aliexpress is not the safest of sites and imo these budget builds are stupid if all you do is gaming. PCs and consoles are different machines that do different things. No point comparing them, and you might as well drop a few hundred extra on a good pc so you get to diy it and do loads of shit like modding or streaming
I'm extremely happy with my Series X. I think it's a great amount of performance for the price. I know you can make a PC with better performance, but the Xbox does it in a nicely optimized package
to be grammatically correct: The console companies are not taking a single cent hit on the hardware. The PC parts companies and all the middlemen just got really disgusting markups. Sheeple will pay whatever is asked of them these days.... even if they have to make a loan...
@@ThatGoat was gonna say the same exact thing, companies have literal money scientists (financial analysts) that insure that every single expenditure that their company has is dirt cheap, and will yield a profit no matter how expensive a component is, and how cheap its sold. Not to mention that bigger companies have leveraging power, they buy so much of theese electronic components that they can essentially dictate the price they buy it at, a small purchaser is no big loss, so we buy at whatever the market tells us, microsoft however, if theyre buying billions of dollars of merchandise, can choose any cmpany they want to purchase from, and literallg any company will except the mahority of their terms.
@László Buzas Absolutely. That game and its predecessor are master classes in game optimization and really leveraging your API. Using Vulkan, as long as you have a competent GPU you engine lock the first one on X58!
As much as I love PC's, for gaming on a budget there is no way I could recommend PC gaming. The new generation of consoles are fantastic value and with croasplay becoming more available I don't really see any reason to get a PC unless you have a pretty large budget.
Yeah but then you are stuck with gaming on a controller all the time 😭. Why would anyone want that?! The only games I like using a controller for are racing and fighting games. Otherwise naaaa
Even if you don't have a large library yet PC remains more cost effective over time. Consoles are still better for hassle free play and gamepass is making a dent in the cost effectiveness argument. PC's biggest strength always has been and always will remain flexibility.
@Arnab If you don't play online and you buy your games used or get the discs from a friend for free, consoles can actually be alot cheaper. Also, most people don't have $1500 to drop all at once on an average gaming pc. It's alot easier to spend a few hundred $s on a console even if you end up spending more on games down the line. And, if you have physical copies you can sell those games and get some money back.
@Arnab You have to buy games for PC also. Unless you are pirating but limitations come with that. Right now building an "okay" gaming pc is going to cost 3x as much as a console. With the various game passes available on Xbox you could have access to a rather large library for maybe $30 a month. You could even buy a new $60 game every month for a year and still have spent 100's less than the PC's initial build cost. I'm a PC gamer but if I didn't already have a PC and was on a budget I'd definitely buy an Xbox instead.
I got a 5600 xt with a flashed vbios from factory and it handles 4k 60 reasonably well, a 6600 would probably start getting close to matching the Xbox's 4k 120 speed
@264bpm They already crashed. The prices went back up to regular levels a while ago... The reason prices crashed in the first place was people bailing out of mining, which isn't really going to happen a 2nd time since a ton of people already left. Only the diehards are still at it, and they'll never ditch before going broke.
@@zachleyba5529 scalping is a bubble, once stock shortages go away they will be unable to buy all of the stock and we might get some pretty good ebay deals from scalpers selling all the huge overstock.
The Thing is the Xbox is Brand new with WiFi and Bluetooth 😅 If you would do Brand new parts with a max Budget of 500 it would be a GTX 1050 Back then. Now maybe a 2060
In my opinion the way you could justify the PC higher price would be that you need a pc any way. You were going to buy one whether it was set up for HD gaming or not. So like add the cost of a decent home pc to that Xbox budget or subtract it from your gaming PC total.
This build reminds me of scrapyard wars. Trying to get best performance. Trying to beat someone elses performance. Broken hardware. Sketchy deals. Weird setups to get incompatible hardware to work. This so feels like a scrapyard wars build
Kind of disappointed in them I expected them to do better Just find used components, Purposely buying rubbish just because it's new is crazy. You can pick up coolers for $5 and Xbox controllers, there no need to spend $40 lmao.. I would find a used system, 7700k with a good z270 board, 16gb DDR4 and a 8gb 1070ti make some eb offers $500-600 Plus You can check out the nexus graphical-performance analysis of the consoles, this nonsense about consoles running ultra. These comparisons are incorrect. The PS5 runs mostly equivalent to low, ultra low PC preset, with some medium settings like textures. In dirt 5 dynamic reflections are clearly turned off, as PC on ultra low is clearly ahead
Blame e-currency... if gaming cards were still used exclusively - or even mainly - for gaming, we wouldn't have them becoming more expensive than msrp over time rather than cheaper.
@@MasoMathiou yeah when it's new it cost 300$. we're talking about used here and that too is a used card that is about three years old now. that should be 150$ if it wasn't for the shortage.
Tbh, I think that’s why he said it. He new we all wouldn’t accept his failure as the be all end all. That his why he turned to our Lord, High Commander Anthony. He knew that once our savior deemed it, “impossible,” that we would all accept, and understand, it.
I just picked up my Series X for £450. It would be seriously difficult to build a PC with the specs this box has and match the price. I have always been a PC gamer but I am impressed at the bang for buck of the Series X.
Can u buy games at heavy discounts no? , console sell u games at bs price for longer while because of competition in pc market , steam, epic store etc they give out lots of free games or simply cant beat steam heavy discount they give u twice a year, i got so many good aaa games released anywhere from 1 year before to 5 years between $5 to $20, and not to mention PC is the proper way to play fps games, so many esports aren’t even present on console due to that reason
@@drinkwoter There is currently a sale on Xbox with up to 75% off games plus there are regularly flash 90% sales. How do you not know this? Sounds like a heavy discount to me. If you want to be dismissive of gamepass, that's fine but the total price of a Series X and gamepass subscription beats the price of a decent gaming PC capable of Raytracing anyway. I own both so have no skin in the game. If you want a gaming platform with year round deep sales of thousands of games, get a Switch. Literally a new sale every week 🤷
They need to shunt that content to another channel for nerds. They'd probably need an extra cameraman but I'd watch hours of that. I think my favorite videos are still the time they came in on the weekend to upgrade and clean up the server room. There's like two hours of them moving things back and forth and I still put it on in the background when I'm in the shop working.
I'm curious to see how it handles now compared to more modern XSX games rather than older games with a XSX patch. Like Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite, Flight Sim, etc
I want to see y’all put something together that is the “exact” performance of an Xbox Series X, and do it as cheap as possible, while still using reputable brands. (Not trying to match price, just performance, but, of course, as cheap as possible.)
Basically a 3700X with a RX 6800, PCIE 4 NVME drive and 16gb ram and you have a Xbox Series X, albeit without quick resume and the hardware decompressor. The 6800 only has 8CUs more so is comparable when you consider the Xbox console optimisation that's to come. Still significantly more expensive than the Xbox
The majority do, take yesterday's video for example - that one went according to plan. I don't think they skript mistakes in (mostly... I remember more than a few instances of the writer giving Linus incomplete information) but they are well aware that putting any mistakes in the final video actually makes for a more compelling and fun experience and thus, more views.
@@Arbiter099 That’s a little dramatic really... it’s a good space heater but reviewers have noted it gets a little *too hot*. 😂 NZXT really screwed...the screw(? not the pooch) on that one!
Hard to beat the deal of current consoles, you get a lot of machine for your money and the feel of the controller and easy setup are all big benefits. PC being multi use though and also the ability to start cheap and gradually upgrade down the line should be counted in the plus though.
I think it is easier for the console manufacturer because they buy much more of the same components. So they get better prices and can sell it cheaper...as for PCs you got so many different components and building possibilities. It is just a different sales modell. If you had just one PC produced in mass for several years until the next modell is rleased i think you could get it for the same price.
@@TUBEDUKE87 Yeah economy of scale and all that. That's one reason the Raspberry Pi is so cheap, made in bulk to a single spec with soldered components and not lots of different models assembled out of a variety of CPU, GPU and RAM options or case options. Do one model or even only a few models and you can really simplify your production line and cut costs.
The cost of upgrading to a next gen console later down the road is by far cheaper than constantly upgrading a PC and the lifespan of a console is way better and the console can handle next gen games very well. The Xbox series s and x was literally built to last another 7 more years of gaming down the road on every game compatible with it with ray tracing capabilities. Another plus is that both Xbox series s and x can run Unreal Engine 5 with no crashes and no fps drops. Great console for Unreal Engine 5 built games in the future. I hate to say it, but Xbox is becoming more capable and more affordable than PC with ever be. I have a PC myself and honestly enjoy the console more especially with the 4k 120hz on a 4k tv. Every game you play on the Xbox feels and looks better and will get even better in the future.
@@StormRaid417 This is all laughable and just wrong. Pcs will last you much longer than consoles decades if you take care of them. And you really only have to upgrade parts every couple of years it’s like a car you have to upkeep it. Consoles you don’t because they are just plastic boxes inferior in every way
As a Linux developer, I've spent my life trying to eke better frame rates out of 'stunningly' under-powered PC hardware. In the UK, in general people are ripped off for PC components and cannot put together the sorts of outstanding PC you can make in the USA (for a reasonable price) unless you spend eye watering amounts of money. To me, this is the REAL tech tips - i.e. being able to put together some kit you have have real fun using without breaking the bank. I have to say this was one of the most enjoyable of your videos I've seen because mortals can afford it!
Linus didn't bother to factor in the price of paying to play online. If you consider the lifespan of the Xbox One, which was 7yrs, and it costs $60 per year to play online, 7x60=420 so now we add that 420+500=920. For $920 you can absolutely buy all brand new parts, and get a PC that is far better graphically and FPS wise than either of the current consoles. Plus, you don't have to pay to play online on PC as you already know.
@@DiMarzio-Tone Not sure about whether I have any coherent thoughts, Tim, but just musings as far as I'm concerned 🤣. I just love Linux and IT + ways of running PyTorch or Tensorflow without breaking the bank.
@@joannecunliffe8067 That's all good, and everyone has different outlooks in the gaming world. I was just talking about being a developer giving posts on TH-cam.
@@DiMarzio-Tone Is ... erm ... that a problem? I'm an independent contractor and embedded/Android/Linux developer, not a game developer. I like FPS games but am terrible at playing them (use Steam on Linux).
not even a well framed comparison to begin with when the console manufacturers don't pay the same prices we would. and it's never been about being equal value to consoles. It's about being far more ahead on the technology curve. PC has been enjoying the loading speeds of SSDs for almost a decade, meanwhile Playstation and Xbox marketing wants you to think they never existed till now.
@@VoodooV1 Not to mention proper multithreading lol. Thank god Consoles finally caught up in thread count, because it was annoying how many games were single threaded.
Seeing a lot of comments saying “try it now” sorry it’s not gonna make a difference. 4K@60 is one thing on Doom Eternal cause it’s a super well polished game, but Doom can play on Xbox Series X at 1800p@120 and RE7 4K@60 WITH ray tracing, and a 4K@120 mode… if you want proof look at digital foundry’s video Making a similar PC will cost much more than $500…
Hi, someone who actually did this build here! I ran into the same problems linus did, wrong parts broken parts. etc. I ended up giving up after my incorrect mb, another dead mb. Another CPU and extra RAM. The difference is that Linus has money at his disposal so if he messed up the build, just buy a new part or use something else. For me, a consumer, it cost me extra from broken parts. Ive always been a PC gamer and know its better. but for the time being, I simply dont have money for it and bought a PS5. Ive been happy with it so far
I think console owners (well, maybe not the Series S) are going to be pleased with the output of these consoles for the entire generation. Even if PC tech far surpasses that of the consoles, near perfect 4k60 experiences aren't going to disappoint, ever.
80 bucks extra and no equivalent ssd on top of not working as nicely (with an upgraded cpu)... plus not even capable of 120hrz... i mean pc wins in a lot of ways but bang for buck and simplicity it does not win
with the difference that it isn't the same price, it is cheaper. Real price to 'play' on console is hardware + services... and 7 years of online services doubles the price of the hardware.
A console is a dedicated gaming device; you'll still need something else (in most cases, a computer) to do your taxes on. Everyone needs some form of computer for work/school/general living anyway, so that should be considered in the system cost as well. We should consider home electronics as an ecosystem in order to see what configuration and combination of options gives the best value to summarily be able to do everything you need to do in your life. What *_is_* a dedicated gaming device in PC-centric ecosystems is the discrete Graphics Card, not the whole PC. So we should instead compare the gaming and general-use performance of a 500$ office PC + 500$ console combo VS 500$ upgradeable PC with 500$ graphics card combo; *_then_* it'll be a fair comparison. You buy a 500$ console specifically for gaming, like you buy a 500$ GPU specifically for gaming; those are the two dedicated gaming purchases that are comparable here. The rest of the PC is not very relevant in this comparison because most people are going to have some sort of computer anyway; so that computer might as well be a desktop PC if they're smart about their life choices and plan out their home electronics ecosystem in advance.
@@robertneumann281 in 2021, even M-Disc is a more relevant format than Blu-Ray. Most people who have a significant collection of video on blu-ray also have the files saved digitally on their PC. They then usually stream that stuff from their pc to their TV instead of reading from the disk because that's still faster and more convenient than switching disks. It's also good to keep an off-site backup of your archival solution in case your house burns down or something.
I owned a 1070 for years, even I'm impressed you were playing those at 4K. A 1070 was considered a 1440p card for it's day. I think what happened is that you found some ultra optimised games, pretty, but optimised. I'd bet they weren't stressing the Xbox anywhere near the 1070.
@@GeneralSouL99 1070 is on par with one x, series x is much more powerful and after more games get optimized the gap is going to get bigger, series x barely came out and its crushing any 500$ pc built right now
The consoles are actually good value this time around and the current state of the hardware market only reinforces that. Maybe in two or 3 years that'll change but then I'd imagine we will see another mid gen refresh around that time.
Yeah, hard to compete with the pc parts prices these days :( The, not so old, $500 pc build LTT video is up to almost $900 now (that is without the m.2 that is no longer available). $455 just for the video card
We’re at a time when it sucks to Buy PC parts. Every year they get more expensive instead overtaking the older Gen. I can’t spend 200-400 and get huge improvement over my 1070 ti from 2017! It’s crazy that prices stagnated for so long. The Nvidia 1000 and amd rx 500 series shouldn’t even be around or considered anymore. Sadly the miners destroyed the market and ruined it for regular consumers.
still no, of course a 500 dollar console dominates a 500 dollar pc, even at a 200 dollar loss, the 700 dollar console absolutley dominates a 700 dollar gaming pc@@blingwraith3982
He actually mentioned in a WAN Show recently that his opening sponsor segments are deliberately condensed to be a single or double skip. Good Guy Linus.
@@dhoome1234ify With the double click you skip 10 seconds and ad + intro = 15 sec, so I think you meant a triple skip. Unless you have changed the skip lenght to 7,5.
Yeah pretty much clickbait at its finest smh, i got series x and couldnt been happier. I have laptop for all other tasks. Pc gaming market is crazy expensive these days...
@@PanPrezeso good luck finding a series X right now too hahaha I mean, there are tradeoffs. Xbox cost $120 per year to connect to the internet. That's why they literally sell the Xbox at a loss. PC costs $0/yr for internet. There are game subscription services on both too if people are into that.
@@bengerber4542 they backed out off 120$ a year, its pretty easy to get series x in europe , got a used one for 500$ 2 days ago, but i guess its totally diffrent in usa
"Are you worried someone else is using your wifi?" Are you kidding linus. Ever since my neighbours discovered my taste in music nobody comes near my house. I dont have neighbours.
Great video. I went with a Series X for daily gaming for ease of use and value, but my roots are PCMR. Microsoft clearly understands that their strength was delivering value here, and giving you a platform for game pass ultimate. For that it's excellent.
I don't get it, tbh. If you already had a PC, it's cheaper to just upgrade the PC than it is to buy a new console every couple years. The value is an illusion. Long term PCs save you a ton of money. The Game Pass is on PC as well, don't need an Xbox for that.
@@DefianceOrDishonor It depends a lot these days, it might’ve been easier to find an X at MSRP than a superior GPU and the CPU is a pretty big factor. My old PC was an FX8370 for example so I had to build an almost entirely new PC mid2020. That being said, I went with a 3090 and never even considered buying a console after I built a 3700X/3090 build haha.
@@GRAITOM Oh that's cool, then you haven't paid attention over the past decade. Is the last console you owned a PS3 or something? Because that's about the last console generation where they didn't release multiple versions of the same console with improvements and tweaks throughout their 5 - 7 year lifespan as a "generation" of consoles. There had to be at least three distinct PS4s for instance, with five versions altogether. The "Pro" version being something that enthusiasts would upgrade from a regular PS4 over. So it's not really a true 5 - 7 year gap. Same goes for the Xbox. There are already two PS5s and while there's not a huge difference between them, I could see people buying the digital version for a bit cheaper or because of availability issues then purchasing the other version later. I'm 100% sure there will be an updated PS5 in a year or two with better hardware, a "pro" version or whatever. So it's really closer to two years at this point, not 5 - 7.
@@ShivamJha00 Can also do 1440p in some games on some details. Just find it amusing how access too good technology shifts your view. I’m sure they are aware that a ton of gamers still use older GPUs but the dismissal of a 1070 still hurts me. Would be a substantial improvement for me
It’s okay, Linus has lost his sense of budget since he get sponsors to make a 5000$ PC with 3090 SLI trying to run 8k 60fps which probably no one whose watched this video can even get, even his budget builds are over priced, what’s sad is that most tech reviewers forget that not everyone lives in the US or other first world countries and many can get by gaming with cheaper cards such as for example a 980ti or integrated graphics
What I knew before and after viewing this: The Series X is a bargain for the power of the system. Just got mine and can’t wait for the backwards compat software and even games like Halo Infinite or Hellblade 2. Included with Game Pass nonetheless
@Bob a pc will outmatch the series x or any console for that matter anytime but trying to build a pc with all the hardware inside the series x with ray tracing it’s I’m possible
I'm pretty sure Infinite is a cross purchase game. I'm excited to try it on my Series X paired with a CX, and also with my 6700xt build paired with a 1440p monitor. I already got a feeling that campaign will be better on the first setup and multiplayer better on the later setup
@@stevenpineda2863 let's not get carried away. The xbox one x was a 4k machine. The series x is the one x but faster. Graphics look nicer on the older titles with fps boost happening, but not raytracing. Cyberpunk gives you quality 4k ray traced 30fps mode or 1440p 60fps performance mode. That's a big deal when looking to the future of games for the consoles. Raytracing eats frame rates for the trade off of looking better. I'll be amazed if Microsoft can pull off some magic that can balance it, but another 30fps experience on consoles is a huge let down otherwise.
My chassi's a coolermaster elite 310 and my gpu is an amd radeon hd 7700 that's about 13 years old. Can I join the club? Oh and my motherboard doesn't support ddr4 ram.
Linus: "we couldn't get it to work despite the best efforts of Me..." Me: "Eh, there should be a weird way" Linus: "...Colin..." Me: "meh, its probably something that can be fixed" Linus: "... and anthony" me: "Omg, its literally impossible"
Just recently switched from PC to Xbox I hope i’ll be back to PC someday but I am really disappointed at how things have gone lately with graphics cards and other hardware availability. I was ready, money in hand refreshing the page when the 3080 came out with a huge full ROG build already ready for it, only to have it literally go from not yet available to out of stock immediately on Newegg and Best Buy. I thought about it for quite some time and sold my ROG build for cheap to someone genuinely interested in PC gaming. Got a Series X a few months later at MSRP and I absolutely love it. I realize it’s also hard to find a Series X but it’s nowhere near as difficult to find one at MSRP as it is to find a new graphics card at MSRP. And no I’m not going to enter some lottery to spend money, that’s stupid (looking at you Newegg). I have a 512GB USB full of ROM’s for dev mode RetroArch and Gamepass Ultimate so many great games in reach it’s truly incredible. I can even play some of my Steam games on the Series X via GeForce now in Edge and while GeForce Now is not a fantastic experience so far it’s even more games to play.
U sold ur whole rig because you couldn't find one of the top gpus on the market? Why not just buy a worse gpu for the time and wait out the gpu shortage? A pretty decent amount of gpus are better than the series X's and more readily available.
@@aritano491 Shortages have been going on for quite a while, the current one is just the latest in line and even this one has been pretty long so far. I liked building rigs with newer parts and upgrading them when new things came out that I thought were cool, that was a big part of the hobby for me but the market for PC parts is pretty much just a let down all together now and I decided it’s not worth the trouble anymore.
@@yellowdeli you remind me the good old days... Back in 2015 when I built my pc for the very first time. I bought GTX 980 ti for around $580 from Newegg in Dec 2015. I guess we will never back to the normal. Top-performance PC used to be so affordable.
@@junweiqiu3510 I miss those days as well, the 980Ti was the first high end card I ever purchased and it was such an awesome experience. That really sparked a passion for building PC’s in fact I loved building them a little more than playing games on them lol. It’s too bad that it’s so cost prohibitive to build a high end PC now :( Hopefully someday the market will stabilize but i’m not holding much hope for that now.
hardly blame you. i bought my rtx 3070 at an inflated price and while i love it it just does not hold a candle to the value propisition these consoles hold, EVER. hell even before the covid inflation the gpu prices for the rtx 2000 series straight up blew. pc building has sucked for a while now.
@baz watts If you buy from a mistrusted vendor that can probably happen. But I've never bought from any seller with less than 95% reviews, most of them, and never had anything that wasn't advertised. Also, read the buyer's reviews. They tell us when something is wrong.
@@ScrapKing73 Also, you can run Legit Win 10 unactivated indefinitely. When running unactivated you only get critical updates and get some nagging screens. But the core operating system will work without activation.
My rule of thumb for decent mid range gaming rig is: whatever the best console's current price is > double it and build a PC for around that budget that is if you're building new. It'll be more expensive, but also more powerful, plus you have the option to emulate any old games. Games on PC usually are cheaper and you get phat sales. Also you can also sail the seven seas.
A Blu-ray player from LG cost about $150. (Walmart) Fitting that into their budget would have been impossible... And they say that consoles can only play games. Lol
@@AurumFaber You can do a bunch of things, but all of them fit into the category of entertainment. While a PC is good for all of that and more, but it does cost a little more.
I have a GTX 1070, and with a little bit of an overclock it still holds up pretty well in new games lol. I don't know why Linus was expecting it to crash and burn
"Should be fine"
- Every PC builder ever
Famous last words in every category of risk.
I feel attacked
@@GroteGlon
Me too!
My brother said that about 10 times when I helped him build his PC a couple months back.
Last time I said that a psu caught on fire.
Threw together a pc from the garbage pile that could run cs go. Only had to run one evening for new years eve for a friends gf. Did it till an hour after midnight
Linus: "I am getting absolutely destroyed by bots right now"
Me who is looking for a 3080: I'm right there with you man
@lucky m3x I would love to, but there's not one within 250 miles of me
Edit: The guy I was replying to deleted his comment but was suggesting that we go to Micro Center
@lucky m3x Sure, it's just 3600 miles away.
Luckily best buy forces people to enter a verification code through email first so I am finally getting one tomorrow
@@folland34 all of the discord chats in the world don't solve the supply problem of there not being enough cards in the first place
I got one just get gud scrub
7:52 It has 12 virtual RAM slots for the option of downloading additional RAM.
Yeah it’s crazy right.
This is gold!
I am so glad that consoles can now give this performance for so little money. It puts strain on the pc manufacturers to give better quality parts for the same price and pushes innovation
Yeah...well nvidia just doesnt care. Their prices have literally doubled in like 8 years. Which is exactly why i switched to console gaming. No need for freesync, or gsync, or vsync, faster load times despite me having a good ssd on my pc. Better image quality. Not infested with hackers in cod. Its just a better experience now. PC used to have all the advantages in performance. Nowadays, it gets crapped on for the price/performance metric. Like its not even close. I have a 450 dollar gpu i bought 6 months before the series x released. And the series x is more powerful. And thats 1 part of the pc...pc gaming is just not it anymore unless you got hella money for a 4k 120hz freesync/gsync tv/monitor, plus the pc itself. Its ridiculous.
@@HeartInLight No way is an xbox better image quality than a pc, are you drunk. LOL. Of course no need for syncing software because your fps is capped to 60! 120 on some games. keep lying to yourself
@@trashforky8848 same here ;)
I just want AMD to release a 200-300$ GPU with the same performance as a 6800/XT and crush the mid range market. But I doubt it would happen. A GPU that poweful would end up being in 400-500$ range.
@@antattackBAM Xbox series X runs cod at 1440p 120fps high settings. That’s better than my $1000 build…
"AND anthony" really shows you how much faith even linus puts in him
and it shows you guys would do anything to simp for him, isnt even in the video
I think he meant more like its impressive the amount of people that tried and failed
@@Freestyle80 I’m a simp, but only for Anthony
@@Freestyle80 We like anthony. Go away.
Adds credible if you add Anthony
What I took away from this video being: That the Xbox Series X is a really good price
Hence why the comments here are from PC only loyalists who are being petty.
The next gen consoles are great value for money for accessible gaming or anyone who just prefers console/couch/the ecosystem
@@11202 It really is and so is the PS5. I won't be buying one but damn i'd be lying if I said it was bad, especially if you will play with no online and just gamepass.
@@JT-qj2lj yeah switching to PC myself this time, but the new consoles crush PCs so badly price to performance
@@twosad agreed. In the next 4 years PC will probably retake crown for price to performance (western digital already sells nvme m.2 ssds for $105 and that’s a tb of storage). GPU’s like the 30-50 series will hopefully be great for their price in a few years. Consoles will still be best for everyday consumers and ease of use.
Loss leader maybe? Selling at less than cost/cost/or marginal profit. In order to make money out of games and services?
Kind of like how Sony did with the PS3.
I guess I haven’t confirmed it for myself since I’m not invested into the consoles much anymore, but don’t companies typically sell their consoles for virtually no profit and make up for it with games and exclusives? PC on the other hand, every part of it has to include profit for the manufacturers and intermediaries. Not to mention trade-offs of not having a pc and long term costs of consoles such has lack of upgradability and paying for features like Xbox live. I would love to see a truly in-depth comparison vs just a surface level side-by-side.
This is the comment I was looking for. Surprised this doesn't have more likes?
yeah ur right
It's a computer and a console, not a car.
ya literally your a slave to the company with console Like on Pc if a game is exclusive to one engine you have options to all engines on pc so you can get the game no matter what. Plus if we add up to play online $60 a year plus on average 7 years till next console that's an extra $420 your spending in those 7 years so that pc would of payed off and you could still upgrade for cheaper then that. So Pc always ends up paying for itself in the end.
You should also factor in that it is a custom design but at extremely high volume. Every piece you produce more will cost you less per console. I would actually assume that they make a profit from selling alone.
I like both consoles and pcs. I enjoy that consoles are almost purely gaming devices while pcs are able to do a ton more, and it’s just fun to mess with them. I tend to play a lot of strategy games, RTS, 4X and management games on PC while I like RPGs on console. I like it all lol.
Me, a 1070 owner:
"Maybe I don't need that 3060 after all..."
Me a GeForce 9400 gt owner: DEFINETLY NEED AN UPGRADE
@@smd9591 me with gt 730 * amateurs!!*
Honestly? As a fellow 1070 owner, you really do not if you're still playing on full HD displays with refresh rates lower than 144 Hz.
@@orangehunter6987 me with a Radeon HD 7470
*AMATEURS*
I have rx580 i am going to upgrade to rtx 3060 maybe 3060ti
This makes me miss the olden 'scrapyard wars' days
In all fairness if they tried that right now everyone would lose because they couldn't get a decently priced GPU that was in stock.
@@tkirchmann plus the pandemic
@@tkirchmann ikr rip scalpers what couldve gone worse - and miners too. All hail gpu stonks
But scrapyard 8 was like what? Only one year ago?
So and now dear linus you can add the costs for Xbox gold or psn so you're able to access the internet and play with other people and friends and the premium price on console games and accessors over a lifespan of approximately 7 years and then build the pc with that budget again and it's more a apples to apples comparison except the optimization of the games for consoles are only need to be tinned with one hw Config instead of millions of possible hardware configs.
I feel like that cooler is just there to be a "whacky" Chinese PC part and has nothing to do with savings. A Hyper 212 Evo is about the same price.
also the ssd. A brand new 500gb crucial ssd is like 40 dollars
212 Evo wouldn't have been compatible with the original Xeon CPU so the chinese cooler would have been the only option.
@@icetanker8062 212 evo is 2011 compatible, so it should work
@@icetanker8062 The board comes with a 2011-3 adapter to fit std cooler AM4 mounts.
which also happens to be a genuinly good cooler
I’m actually really surprised the pc held up as well as it did as having owned a 1070 since launch I thought it was gonna be really one sided in Xbox’s favour but surprisingly not so much
They played all the right games. They should run control with rt support on both and you will see the pc dip to 15fps
@@futvnyc X-bot spotted
They should’ve played flight simulator
@@sherlock_backs gaystation player spotted
@@steezykane4738 Magine using consoles other than for netflix lol
“From Ali Express” yeah we’re done here.
What's wrong with it?
@@mrsarcasm4874 they’re known for having cheap and bad products for sale. That’s from what I heard.
I do understand you, though. Aliexpress is not the safest of sites and imo these budget builds are stupid if all you do is gaming. PCs and consoles are different machines that do different things. No point comparing them, and you might as well drop a few hundred extra on a good pc so you get to diy it and do loads of shit like modding or streaming
@@guidomonto3742 did you like... read his username?
@@mcbagelz174 ah, makes sense now
Sees Linus holding xbox with one hand*
Me: "Oh here we go again"
What the heck? I saw CJ make this same meme in the comments section.
must be a dummy. That bad boy irl have like 4kg
Reminds me of that recent vid when he held a 6900XT with an AiO by the tubing... left me rattled
@@al01martinez88 but 4 kg is nothing...
Xbox: "Oh here we go again"
Me watching at 360p: hmm yes good texture such differences
Me watching a 240p😅
Me on 1080
@@wyatthenry2859 me on 1440p
69 likes
My internet sucks so I usually run 480 but when I see 1080 it’s like 4K compared to 1080
I'm extremely happy with my Series X. I think it's a great amount of performance for the price. I know you can make a PC with better performance, but the Xbox does it in a nicely optimized package
@@manitoba-op4jxwho expects a game console to do anything other than play games/streaming apps lmao
If they would somehow integrate mods in to more games than just Bethesda titles, I'd have been more inclined to stay a console lifer
Console companies will always take a loss on the hardware, then earn it back from game purchases & online.
to be grammatically correct: The console companies are not taking a single cent hit on the hardware. The PC parts companies and all the middlemen just got really disgusting markups. Sheeple will pay whatever is asked of them these days.... even if they have to make a loan...
@@ThatGoat was gonna say the same exact thing, companies have literal money scientists (financial analysts) that insure that every single expenditure that their company has is dirt cheap, and will yield a profit no matter how expensive a component is, and how cheap its sold. Not to mention that bigger companies have leveraging power, they buy so much of theese electronic components that they can essentially dictate the price they buy it at, a small purchaser is no big loss, so we buy at whatever the market tells us, microsoft however, if theyre buying billions of dollars of merchandise, can choose any cmpany they want to purchase from, and literallg any company will except the mahority of their terms.
@@ThatGoat no that's not true, the xbox series x,s and PS5 digital are all sold for a loss
@@alexbaker1569 correct ps5 digital is a fucking beast for $400
Except nintendo
“TH-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits”
Here have a glass of Yorkshire Tea Gold
@@lego_minifig mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@@jordyn. wait... I've seen your comment before...
Noooo way xD
I just saw the Exploit
@@lego_minifig spiffing comments
Man, doom eternal is so well optimized, it's almost a bad benchmark.
Yeah even on integrated gpu it's locked 60 lmao
@László Buzas Absolutely. That game and its predecessor are master classes in game optimization and really leveraging your API. Using Vulkan, as long as you have a competent GPU you engine lock the first one on X58!
@@NextMerckx Soon we'll be able to play doom eternal on a pregnancy test!!
And the lowest settings and Highest settings besically have no differince at all lol
We Stan great optimization!!! I wish Ubisoft would learn how to optimize like them.
As much as I love PC's, for gaming on a budget there is no way I could recommend PC gaming. The new generation of consoles are fantastic value and with croasplay becoming more available I don't really see any reason to get a PC unless you have a pretty large budget.
Yeah but then you are stuck with gaming on a controller all the time 😭. Why would anyone want that?! The only games I like using a controller for are racing and fighting games. Otherwise naaaa
Even if you don't have a large library yet PC remains more cost effective over time. Consoles are still better for hassle free play and gamepass is making a dent in the cost effectiveness argument.
PC's biggest strength always has been and always will remain flexibility.
I just wish games locked to pc came to console, like squad and escape from tarkov
@Arnab If you don't play online and you buy your games used or get the discs from a friend for free, consoles can actually be alot cheaper. Also, most people don't have $1500 to drop all at once on an average gaming pc. It's alot easier to spend a few hundred $s on a console even if you end up spending more on games down the line. And, if you have physical copies you can sell those games and get some money back.
@Arnab You have to buy games for PC also. Unless you are pirating but limitations come with that. Right now building an "okay" gaming pc is going to cost 3x as much as a console. With the various game passes available on Xbox you could have access to a rather large library for maybe $30 a month. You could even buy a new $60 game every month for a year and still have spent 100's less than the PC's initial build cost.
I'm a PC gamer but if I didn't already have a PC and was on a budget I'd definitely buy an Xbox instead.
"TH-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits"
Random community post | poll in recommendations?
I saw this comment and Roll1D2's post???
:D man i LOVE this Intro ^^
Ah, another man of culture I see.
I think its time for a cup of tea.
Everyone: Hey Linus How do you make a cheap pc in this day?
Linus: *C H I N A*
You arent first
Edit: just noticed that you changed your comment
Linus: CHINA & EBAY
CHYNA
@@MalcIgg chibay
I just imagined trump saying China
3:14 : "combined efforts of me colin-"
Me: oh ok I'm pretty sure it could be poss-
"AND Anthony"
Me:nvm
If Anthony can't make it work... It's the definition if impossible.
My exact thought 😂
@@Liqtor True as fuck
Anthony is the real deal
With current prices, makes a lot of sense to throw an rx 6600 in this kind of build since it's going for roughly $200
That probably still won't beat the Xbox lol
Also, they're pretty comparable cards so that won't even boost performance much if at all.
@@Ibrahimarm could get 2 free games along with the benefit of a new card instead of used, makes much more sense than an old 1070
@@MrLordrex1 What do you mean 2 free games? Also, older cards support more games, generally.
I got a 5600 xt with a flashed vbios from factory and it handles 4k 60 reasonably well, a 6600 would probably start getting close to matching the Xbox's 4k 120 speed
@264bpm They already crashed. The prices went back up to regular levels a while ago... The reason prices crashed in the first place was people bailing out of mining, which isn't really going to happen a 2nd time since a ton of people already left. Only the diehards are still at it, and they'll never ditch before going broke.
Linus: A 1070 for $200.
Ebay: "for parts only"
i was gonna say, you cannot find shit right now, it's infuriating
200 should be for a 2060 not a 1070 i don't know where they got this parts
@@zachleyba5529 scalping is a bubble, once stock shortages go away they will be unable to buy all of the stock and we might get some pretty good ebay deals from scalpers selling all the huge overstock.
Yeah just looked at competed auctions in the US, you're lucky to get a 1070 for $300...
@@rjuez00 before the new 3000 cards launched Ebay had a ton of 1070's at 200$
“PC Master Race” was the first title
Oh.
lil
lol
It still is
It's not anymore?
I still hope for „Learn Linux with Anthony“
Me too. Upvotiing until it happens
... I would watch that.
Anthony Linux Tips
I would say put it on short circuit, or one of the other channels they own
Yes I want it
The Thing is the Xbox is Brand new with WiFi and Bluetooth 😅 If you would do Brand new parts with a max Budget of 500 it would be a GTX 1050 Back then. Now maybe a 2060
Brand new, I don't think it is even achievable for 500$...
@@RexMuffin yeah probably Not. But i think this would be interesting. Maybe all new parts and a used GPU.
@The Mexican Dude The controllers are Bluetooth... How does it not support it?
@@themexicandude269 ah okay thx. Then maybe only wifi is competitiv
In my opinion the way you could justify the PC higher price would be that you need a pc any way. You were going to buy one whether it was set up for HD gaming or not. So like add the cost of a decent home pc to that Xbox budget or subtract it from your gaming PC total.
This build reminds me of scrapyard wars. Trying to get best performance. Trying to beat someone elses performance. Broken hardware. Sketchy deals. Weird setups to get incompatible hardware to work. This so feels like a scrapyard wars build
I wish they wouldve shown their failutes more in depth as thats what i enjoy in scrapyard wars.lol
I hope there's a new season of that soon lol (world climate allowing)
Cross fingers
Kind of disappointed in them I expected them to do better
Just find used components, Purposely buying rubbish just because it's new is crazy. You can pick up coolers for $5 and Xbox controllers, there no need to spend $40 lmao..
I would find a used system, 7700k with a good z270 board, 16gb DDR4 and a 8gb 1070ti make some eb offers $500-600
Plus You can check out the nexus graphical-performance analysis of the consoles, this nonsense about consoles running ultra. These comparisons are incorrect. The PS5 runs mostly equivalent to low, ultra low PC preset, with some medium settings like textures. In dirt 5 dynamic reflections are clearly turned off, as PC on ultra low is clearly ahead
4060 gpu in 2022 will be the console killer
"We ended up snagging this used, Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 for 200$,"
Ah, the days when GPU's weren't sold for over 2x the price of MSRP.
still super overpriced in my opinion. a 2060 should and would have cost the same amount
Blame e-currency... if gaming cards were still used exclusively - or even mainly - for gaming, we wouldn't have them becoming more expensive than msrp over time rather than cheaper.
@@2cool0 Not really, an RTX 2060 was more around $300...
@@MasoMathiou yeah when it's new it cost 300$. we're talking about used here and that too is a used card that is about three years old now. that should be 150$ if it wasn't for the shortage.
I bought a Asus 1070 turbo for 405 euro Christmas Eve, huge price difference here.....
I wasn’t going to believe that it wouldn’t work until you said “and Anthony.”
Tbh, I think that’s why he said it. He new we all wouldn’t accept his failure as the be all end all. That his why he turned to our Lord, High Commander Anthony. He knew that once our savior deemed it, “impossible,” that we would all accept, and understand, it.
how to do better then the tests on a $100 pc:
ge force now
Yep said the same thing
@@MLGivens LMAO Yes I couldn't agree more. I am glad he had Anthony take a crack at it, otherwise I wouldn't have believed Lie-nus xD
All hail Anthony
I just picked up my Series X for £450. It would be seriously difficult to build a PC with the specs this box has and match the price. I have always been a PC gamer but I am impressed at the bang for buck of the Series X.
But can you run Photoshop? No? That's a problem.
@@ianrotten4453 But the idea is about gaming only and PC at same price got destroyed.
@@ianrotten4453 Cheap iPhone is enough for that.
Can u buy games at heavy discounts no? , console sell u games at bs price for longer while because of competition in pc market , steam, epic store etc they give out lots of free games or simply cant beat steam heavy discount they give u twice a year, i got so many good aaa games released anywhere from 1 year before to 5 years between $5 to $20, and not to mention PC is the proper way to play fps games, so many esports aren’t even present on console due to that reason
@@drinkwoter There is currently a sale on Xbox with up to 75% off games plus there are regularly flash 90% sales. How do you not know this? Sounds like a heavy discount to me. If you want to be dismissive of gamepass, that's fine but the total price of a Series X and gamepass subscription beats the price of a decent gaming PC capable of Raytracing anyway. I own both so have no skin in the game. If you want a gaming platform with year round deep sales of thousands of games, get a Switch. Literally a new sale every week 🤷
Collin: "Its a 1070!"
Me, with a GTX 1060: *Sweats nervously*
Me, with a GTX 1050 2GB vram: cries
i have an 860m ;-; i almost wanna buy this $500 build
Me with a 2011 intel cpu with integrated graphics: *cries ocean*
Me with GTX 970 sweating profusely...
1050ti here
Where's the guy asking Linus for the "Learn Linux with Anthony" series? This is day 7!
He's way down in the comments so the joke is on you!
@J G
No way LTT would give up easy content like that. It's a simple tutorial series plus they can copy from everyone else.
He already commented
3:15 Thats the Crew I want to see more on this channel, even with content about trying to boot "compatible" parts
Yeah I would have enjoyed a video of those guys just fucking around trying to get this to boot while shootin' the shit.
yeah
@@MorrowProduction Absolutely, I would love that. Something like the Old Intel GPU video that Linus did in his office.
7:15 why is there a globe in the background?
They need to shunt that content to another channel for nerds. They'd probably need an extra cameraman but I'd watch hours of that. I think my favorite videos are still the time they came in on the weekend to upgrade and clean up the server room. There's like two hours of them moving things back and forth and I still put it on in the background when I'm in the shop working.
I'm curious to see how it handles now compared to more modern XSX games rather than older games with a XSX patch. Like Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite, Flight Sim, etc
Remember in the old days people do the “150 league of legend machine.” Run the currency exchange, 20 US dollars. And a solid 30 FPS.
tech yes city got a 5 dollar league of legends pc 😂
RPCS3 emulator users would cry for happiness if The Last of Us would run at solid 30fps on an average hardware.
Linus: even after.. AND Anthony we couldn't get it to work
everyone: oh, that thing ain't ever going to work
He should have just lead with that Tbh. If Anthony can't get it to work then it's fooked.
Should have let Anthony install linux.
I want to see y’all put something together that is the “exact” performance of an Xbox Series X, and do it as cheap as possible, while still using reputable brands. (Not trying to match price, just performance, but, of course, as cheap as possible.)
But janky hardware is soooo cool! The risk, the suspense!
You can't because Microsoft and Sony is both taking a loss on the console's, in order to get more players over on their systems.
@@Orcawhale1 did you even read what he said?
Basically a 3700X with a RX 6800, PCIE 4 NVME drive and 16gb ram and you have a Xbox Series X, albeit without quick resume and the hardware decompressor. The 6800 only has 8CUs more so is comparable when you consider the Xbox console optimisation that's to come. Still significantly more expensive than the Xbox
@@IchibanKasuga1 Yeah i did.
"just performance, but, of course, as cheap as possible"
So clearly price is a factor.
This was a fun video to watch. You guys had fun doing this project haha.
"This build did not go as planned"
Do any LTT builds ever?
Pretty sure they're scripted that way given how click batey the titles and thumbnails are
The majority do, take yesterday's video for example - that one went according to plan. I don't think they skript mistakes in (mostly... I remember more than a few instances of the writer giving Linus incomplete information) but they are well aware that putting any mistakes in the final video actually makes for a more compelling and fun experience and thus, more views.
oooof
"kind of a fire hazard" meanwhile, on Gamer's Nexus...
The Verge PC build
@@TusharSundarka The Verge pc build was a drunken car crash.
Yo you talking crap about gamer’s nexus?
@@knicks5426 no, they had a PCIe riser from NZXT on this week that was literally a fire hazard
@@Arbiter099 That’s a little dramatic really... it’s a good space heater but reviewers have noted it gets a little *too hot*. 😂 NZXT really screwed...the screw(? not the pooch) on that one!
$130 for a bidding and broken CPU. Doesn't sound like a "used buy it now" to me.
Well this video made me more proud of my 6 year old 1070
Hard to beat the deal of current consoles, you get a lot of machine for your money and the feel of the controller and easy setup are all big benefits.
PC being multi use though and also the ability to start cheap and gradually upgrade down the line should be counted in the plus though.
I think it is easier for the console manufacturer because they buy much more of the same components. So they get better prices and can sell it cheaper...as for PCs you got so many different components and building possibilities. It is just a different sales modell. If you had just one PC produced in mass for several years until the next modell is rleased i think you could get it for the same price.
@@TUBEDUKE87 Yeah economy of scale and all that. That's one reason the Raspberry Pi is so cheap, made in bulk to a single spec with soldered components and not lots of different models assembled out of a variety of CPU, GPU and RAM options or case options.
Do one model or even only a few models and you can really simplify your production line and cut costs.
The cost of upgrading to a next gen console later down the road is by far cheaper than constantly upgrading a PC and the lifespan of a console is way better and the console can handle next gen games very well. The Xbox series s and x was literally built to last another 7 more years of gaming down the road on every game compatible with it with ray tracing capabilities. Another plus is that both Xbox series s and x can run Unreal Engine 5 with no crashes and no fps drops. Great console for Unreal Engine 5 built games in the future. I hate to say it, but Xbox is becoming more capable and more affordable than PC with ever be. I have a PC myself and honestly enjoy the console more especially with the 4k 120hz on a 4k tv. Every game you play on the Xbox feels and looks better and will get even better in the future.
@@StormRaid417 This is all laughable and just wrong. Pcs will last you much longer than consoles decades if you take care of them. And you really only have to upgrade parts every couple of years it’s like a car you have to upkeep it. Consoles you don’t because they are just plastic boxes inferior in every way
you know you can use a controller with your computer right? people just use kb+mouse because they're usually better
7:15 - Linus flexing on us configuring his BIOS on an 8K screen.
Exactly! 🤣🤣🤣
Basically what I took from this is that the GTX 1070 is an excellent card.
1070 is 3 FPS less then 1660ti
TI? you will only find super on stock on decent price
@@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan well i sold my 1660ti for double the price and bought xbox series x lmaooo
@@sudattsdeadchannel3495 XD
@@sudattsdeadchannel3495 well played 🤣
As a Linux developer, I've spent my life trying to eke better frame rates out of 'stunningly' under-powered PC hardware. In the UK, in general people are ripped off for PC components and cannot put together the sorts of outstanding PC you can make in the USA (for a reasonable price) unless you spend eye watering amounts of money. To me, this is the REAL tech tips - i.e. being able to put together some kit you have have real fun using without breaking the bank. I have to say this was one of the most enjoyable of your videos I've seen because mortals can afford it!
Linus didn't bother to factor in the price of paying to play online.
If you consider the lifespan of the Xbox One, which was 7yrs, and it costs $60 per year to play online, 7x60=420 so now we add that 420+500=920.
For $920 you can absolutely buy all brand new parts, and get a PC that is far better graphically and FPS wise than either of the current consoles.
Plus, you don't have to pay to play online on PC as you already know.
A developer? and your on TH-cam telling us about your thoughts? Lol 🤣, yeah, okay what ever you say.
@@DiMarzio-Tone Not sure about whether I have any coherent thoughts, Tim, but just musings as far as I'm concerned 🤣. I just love Linux and IT + ways of running PyTorch or Tensorflow without breaking the bank.
@@joannecunliffe8067 That's all good, and everyone has different outlooks in the gaming world. I was just talking about being a developer giving posts on TH-cam.
@@DiMarzio-Tone Is ... erm ... that a problem? I'm an independent contractor and embedded/Android/Linux developer, not a game developer. I like FPS games but am terrible at playing them (use Steam on Linux).
Colin: "it's a 1070!"... I feel personally attacked
@@Patrikv303 So?
I'm glad i got a 3070 just 3 days ago. i might've felt personally attacked too as a former 1070 owner.
@@m81895 Former 1070 ti here. Still feels attacked from that.
@@Patrikv303 what're you talking about lmao
970 owner. Feel super offended.
"A weird russian Github" summarizes this channel so well.
"you must be new here..." :D :D :D
9:51
Dude in background: "well in a menu"
Linus: *mocks him*
Dude in background: "It's a valid-"
Linus: *continues to mock him*
to be fair it really didnt change at all outside the menu
JUST LIKE THIS VIDEO HAS MORE SPONSORS THAN I EXPECTED
"this segue to my sponsor" is engraved in my soul and every fibre of my being
Segue*
You might want to check your fibres with glasswire
Check your fibre connection and stability with glasswire. Get 100% off if u give me your kidney
@@Dizastermaster. thank you sir ^^
@@vixen878 No, it's just segue, not segueway
😂😂😂 You know the LTTStoredotcom mentions are getting out of hand when they sneak one into the BSOD gag almost no one paid attention to at 3:47
Wow that was gangster
I noticed you my friend...
Linus - "were building a gaming rig for 500$ to beat the consoles!"
Me - "not in this economy you're not 😂"
not even a well framed comparison to begin with when the console manufacturers don't pay the same prices we would. and it's never been about being equal value to consoles. It's about being far more ahead on the technology curve. PC has been enjoying the loading speeds of SSDs for almost a decade, meanwhile Playstation and Xbox marketing wants you to think they never existed till now.
@@VoodooV1 also they compensate the price on the games they purchase which are often way more expensive on consoles then on PC
@@VoodooV1 Not to mention proper multithreading lol. Thank god Consoles finally caught up in thread count, because it was annoying how many games were single threaded.
Factor in the recent price hike of Xbox live and in just 3 months suddenly your shiny xbox cost more than that pc too.
@@MattWeber that’s no longer a thing. They reversed it the same day
2:27 I just love that the box falling matches what linus said... absolute perfection😆
I wanna who they threatened on Ebay to get that 1070 for 200 bucks right now LOL
Yeah thats sus. Maybe early last year
I got a 980ti for $140 on craigslist recently, just gotta check every day and wait for someone to lowball themselves
@@dual.clutch That US or CAD? I recently got a 980ti for $250 CAD
@@christopherlandry5712 it's USD but you still got a good price
Got a 1070ti for around 230 bucks with 3 months of warranty left,quite decent condition
3:14 You know it's bad when they have to bring in Anthony.
"that's illegal"
"So is the segway to my sponsor"
Really revealing more crimes than you need to huh
"Segue".. Segway is a scooter.. :P
@@Pantha242 They'll never get it.
Linus’ attorney is disappointed
I read this as he said it...
It's a segue, not a Segway.
Seeing a lot of comments saying “try it now” sorry it’s not gonna make a difference. 4K@60 is one thing on Doom Eternal cause it’s a super well polished game, but Doom can play on Xbox Series X at 1800p@120 and RE7 4K@60 WITH ray tracing, and a 4K@120 mode… if you want proof look at digital foundry’s video
Making a similar PC will cost much more than $500…
Hi, someone who actually did this build here! I ran into the same problems linus did, wrong parts broken parts. etc. I ended up giving up after my incorrect mb, another dead mb. Another CPU and extra RAM. The difference is that Linus has money at his disposal so if he messed up the build, just buy a new part or use something else. For me, a consumer, it cost me extra from broken parts. Ive always been a PC gamer and know its better. but for the time being, I simply dont have money for it and bought a PS5. Ive been happy with it so far
I think console owners (well, maybe not the Series S) are going to be pleased with the output of these consoles for the entire generation. Even if PC tech far surpasses that of the consoles, near perfect 4k60 experiences aren't going to disappoint, ever.
"we built a PC that's better than the series X for the same price!"
*buys used, nasty, old parts, and it's still worse'
80 bucks extra and no equivalent ssd on top of not working as nicely (with an upgraded cpu)... plus not even capable of 120hrz... i mean pc wins in a lot of ways but bang for buck and simplicity it does not win
with the difference that it isn't the same price, it is cheaper. Real price to 'play' on console is hardware + services... and 7 years of online services doubles the price of the hardware.
A console is a dedicated gaming device; you'll still need something else (in most cases, a computer) to do your taxes on. Everyone needs some form of computer for work/school/general living anyway, so that should be considered in the system cost as well. We should consider home electronics as an ecosystem in order to see what configuration and combination of options gives the best value to summarily be able to do everything you need to do in your life.
What *_is_* a dedicated gaming device in PC-centric ecosystems is the discrete Graphics Card, not the whole PC. So we should instead compare the gaming and general-use performance of a 500$ office PC + 500$ console combo VS 500$ upgradeable PC with 500$ graphics card combo; *_then_* it'll be a fair comparison.
You buy a 500$ console specifically for gaming, like you buy a 500$ GPU specifically for gaming; those are the two dedicated gaming purchases that are comparable here.
The rest of the PC is not very relevant in this comparison because most people are going to have some sort of computer anyway; so that computer might as well be a desktop PC if they're smart about their life choices and plan out their home electronics ecosystem in advance.
You forgot the missing features and parts like the Blu-ray drive 🤷🏻♂️
@@robertneumann281 in 2021, even M-Disc is a more relevant format than Blu-Ray. Most people who have a significant collection of video on blu-ray also have the files saved digitally on their PC. They then usually stream that stuff from their pc to their TV instead of reading from the disk because that's still faster and more convenient than switching disks. It's also good to keep an off-site backup of your archival solution in case your house burns down or something.
I owned a 1070 for years, even I'm impressed you were playing those at 4K. A 1070 was considered a 1440p card for it's day. I think what happened is that you found some ultra optimised games, pretty, but optimised. I'd bet they weren't stressing the Xbox anywhere near the 1070.
Yeah, its very biased test with games that have absurdly good optimization, series x didnt broke a sweat with those while 1070 was maximally stressed
The 1070 is actually better than the xbox series x and the playstation 5 in most games. Watch the gamersnexus video about this topic.
@@GeneralSouL99 1070 is on par with one x, series x is much more powerful and after more games get optimized the gap is going to get bigger, series x barely came out and its crushing any 500$ pc built right now
@@GeneralSouL99 um 1070 doesn't have ray tracing don't forget that
@@dipanjanpalchowdhury6012 ray tracing is so minimal on the series good screen space reflections look just as good on pc
Hey, I recognize that case. That's what I used in my first build. 😁Was quite the ordeal to work with, but it did the job.
What I learned from this video - *the GTX 1070 holds up damn well*
It doesn't against the Xbox Series X. This video is a joke and that is coming from a PC fanboy.
What I took away from it is that the Xbox Series X is actually a damn good value right now.
@@byte2600 a 3080 will dominate consoles for years
@@YTeradicant yeah, a single GPU PC part that almost cost 1.4x of a XBSX...u sure show them
@@carl8790 a 2070 would also destroy consoles for years to come. And it is cheaper then a Xbox.
"it was left unscrewed"
Sounds like my last marriage
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big oof
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@@txntplayz big œuf
Linus with his 4K TV: yeh, you can see here the details really good
Me watching at 240p30fps: I trust you with my heart and soul
8K*
dont forget about the 60 dollars-120 a year of the live sub
"But Linus, that is illegal."
"Well so is this segue to my sponsor"
don't want to be a dick but it's spelt "segue" for some odd reason.
that odd reason being it's a Latin word.
Linus’ beard: Started off looking like Captain America ending up looking like depressed Thor.
Still better than his femanin clean shave look.
@@keyboardwarrior2418 don’t make this about gender. My wife has a beard and I love it.
Captain Canada
If he keeps it to halloween he has a cheap costume with a bit of blue make up and red clothing, he can be papa linus smurf.
do You guys know that beard and pubes are the same kind of hair? Linus please shave :(
The consoles are actually good value this time around and the current state of the hardware market only reinforces that. Maybe in two or 3 years that'll change but then I'd imagine we will see another mid gen refresh around that time.
Yeah, hard to compete with the pc parts prices these days :(
The, not so old, $500 pc build LTT video is up to almost $900 now (that is without the m.2 that is no longer available). $455 just for the video card
We’re at a time when it sucks to Buy PC parts. Every year they get more expensive instead overtaking the older Gen. I can’t spend 200-400 and get huge improvement over my 1070 ti from 2017! It’s crazy that prices stagnated for so long. The Nvidia 1000 and amd rx 500 series shouldn’t even be around or considered anymore. Sadly the miners destroyed the market and ruined it for regular consumers.
Consoles are sold at a loss so as long as they keep losing money on consoles PC will struggle to compete with the fast increasing consoles
@@xxNotSoProGamerzxx if you can buy one
@@relmdrifter a 1070 for 455? you smoking crack i paid a bit more than that for a 1080ti lol
Pretty impressive how consoles have that performance at that price
On principle, consoles are sold at a loss, with revenue from exclusives making thay back until the company turns a profit.
still no, of course a 500 dollar console dominates a 500 dollar pc, even at a 200 dollar loss, the 700 dollar console absolutley dominates a 700 dollar gaming pc@@blingwraith3982
No matter how quick your segue's are, there's nothing faster than me skipping it.
Edit: WOAH 309 LIKES? SERIOUSLY THANKS.
He actually mentioned in a WAN Show recently that his opening sponsor segments are deliberately condensed to be a single or double skip.
Good Guy Linus.
@@NextMerckx I'm giving a double skip to make sure that I skip the intro too.
Also good thing that I reached 9 likes
@@dhoome1234ify With the double click you skip 10 seconds and ad + intro = 15 sec, so I think you meant a triple skip. Unless you have changed the skip lenght to 7,5.
Why don't you just use Sponsor block?
@@est495 unless ur on mobile than double skip is 20 secs
This video must have been shot a few months back
Because good luck finding a 200$ 1070 now
Yeah pretty much clickbait at its finest smh, i got series x and couldnt been happier. I have laptop for all other tasks. Pc gaming market is crazy expensive these days...
@@PanPrezeso fr. I'm so happy I built mine in late August. Just before it all went haywire. I was pondering holding off on a gpu and getting a 30xx
@@PanPrezeso good luck finding a series X right now too hahaha
I mean, there are tradeoffs. Xbox cost $120 per year to connect to the internet. That's why they literally sell the Xbox at a loss. PC costs $0/yr for internet. There are game subscription services on both too if people are into that.
Considering it is pretty hard to get a series x anyway I think they should revisit this in a few months when the console/ gpu craze has settled down
@@bengerber4542 they backed out off 120$ a year, its pretty easy to get series x in europe , got a used one for 500$ 2 days ago, but i guess its totally diffrent in usa
It would be interesting to see if they do a rematch a year later to see how easy/difficult it would be to build a comparable pc in Q1 2022
And you can't have a next generation console ATM. Even gamestop has anti-scalper bundles that see you paying $1000 FOR A ps5 atm
@@wiggypop Is it that bad in the US? In Germany you have from time to time the Series X available for retail price. The PS5 is more difficult to get.
@@phillipp8671 me Canadian and yes. Well I haven't seen a series x..but a friend bought a ps5 and had to get the bundle for $1000 Canadian dollars
Problem would be trying to get the same Fh5 performance, Fh5 hits PCs very hard on max settings, my friend gets drops on a 2060 on medium settings
@@straben2666 on my 5600x and 3060. I get a stable 60 on near max 4k settings in Forza. Well. Dynamic resolution is on. But it looks great.
There was a time when it was actually SO hard to get an XBox 360 controller in pink. I think I even had this one haha.
"Are you worried someone else is using your wifi?" Are you kidding linus. Ever since my neighbours discovered my taste in music nobody comes near my house. I dont have neighbours.
@@drrayven Sometimes its better not to ask
May I ask what music you listen to
@@drrayven
It's probably Heilung or something. Dude trying to seem scary.
Me: Deleting all my loli breathing sound effects
100 gecs?
"It's a 1070"
That hurt deep in my same 1070's heart
I had to comfort my little 1060 after it had to view this video.
All graphics cards need love ❤
Im on a 980 and it hurts
intel hd gang
bro i have a 970
Seeing the UEFI BIOS on a screen that size is unnatural, I love it.
The fact that he had to use second-hand and refurbished products should be a clear indication of how good value are present gen consoles.
Great video. I went with a Series X for daily gaming for ease of use and value, but my roots are PCMR. Microsoft clearly understands that their strength was delivering value here, and giving you a platform for game pass ultimate. For that it's excellent.
I don't get it, tbh. If you already had a PC, it's cheaper to just upgrade the PC than it is to buy a new console every couple years. The value is an illusion. Long term PCs save you a ton of money. The Game Pass is on PC as well, don't need an Xbox for that.
@@DefianceOrDishonor It depends a lot these days, it might’ve been easier to find an X at MSRP than a superior GPU and the CPU is a pretty big factor. My old PC was an FX8370 for example so I had to build an almost entirely new PC mid2020. That being said, I went with a 3090 and never even considered buying a console after I built a 3700X/3090 build haha.
@@DefianceOrDishonor I think the gamepass is needed if you want good deals
@@DefianceOrDishonor time between new consoles have generally been 5-7 years....
@@GRAITOM Oh that's cool, then you haven't paid attention over the past decade. Is the last console you owned a PS3 or something? Because that's about the last console generation where they didn't release multiple versions of the same console with improvements and tweaks throughout their 5 - 7 year lifespan as a "generation" of consoles.
There had to be at least three distinct PS4s for instance, with five versions altogether. The "Pro" version being something that enthusiasts would upgrade from a regular PS4 over. So it's not really a true 5 - 7 year gap. Same goes for the Xbox.
There are already two PS5s and while there's not a huge difference between them, I could see people buying the digital version for a bit cheaper or because of availability issues then purchasing the other version later. I'm 100% sure there will be an updated PS5 in a year or two with better hardware, a "pro" version or whatever.
So it's really closer to two years at this point, not 5 - 7.
Linus in last video "Doom Eternal can work on a toaster" Linus this video " Let's Use Doom Eternal as a benchmark".
Because if a pc cant run doom eternal then its straight up bad
@@FlameOnTheBeat the pc patches are farther ahead then the consoles ATM
Why not 2077 ??
i want to see this pc trying to run AC Valhalla 4k 60fps
@@IchibanKasuga1 just like the console it will if you turn the rest of the details down or run it with checkerboard scaling
Linus: roasts 1070
me wtih 1050: *sad poor noises*
yeah it's been real painful watching techtubers lately when they get tons of equipment for free, direct from manufacturer. Show some solidarity guys.
@@VoodooV1 im pretty sure they bought the pc parts in this vid
me having having a 1070 to said graphics card: "Shh, he didn't mean to be mean. You're still a good boy."
@@VoodooV1 you said it man. Damn straight Timbo
Me with my 1650 super:/
The way he was holding the Xbox at the beginning scared me so much
LTT: Trash-talking a 1070
Me: Crying with my 1060
Relateable /:
It's fine for 1080p
@@ShivamJha00 Can also do 1440p in some games on some details. Just find it amusing how access too good technology shifts your view. I’m sure they are aware that a ton of gamers still use older GPUs but the dismissal of a 1070 still hurts me. Would be a substantial improvement for me
Me with my 1050 ti and I'm ok with it
It’s okay, Linus has lost his sense of budget since he get sponsors to make a 5000$ PC with 3090 SLI trying to run 8k 60fps which probably no one whose watched this video can even get, even his budget builds are over priced, what’s sad is that most tech reviewers forget that not everyone lives in the US or other first world countries and many can get by gaming with cheaper cards such as for example a 980ti or integrated graphics
What I knew before and after viewing this:
The Series X is a bargain for the power of the system. Just got mine and can’t wait for the backwards compat software and even games like Halo Infinite or Hellblade 2. Included with Game Pass nonetheless
For real!!! Can you imagine how good games will look when they actually use the full power of the system!!
@Bob a pc will outmatch the series x or any console for that matter anytime but trying to build a pc with all the hardware inside the series x with ray tracing it’s I’m possible
I'm pretty sure Infinite is a cross purchase game. I'm excited to try it on my Series X paired with a CX, and also with my 6700xt build paired with a 1440p monitor. I already got a feeling that campaign will be better on the first setup and multiplayer better on the later setup
@@stevenpineda2863 let's not get carried away. The xbox one x was a 4k machine. The series x is the one x but faster. Graphics look nicer on the older titles with fps boost happening, but not raytracing. Cyberpunk gives you quality 4k ray traced 30fps mode or 1440p 60fps performance mode. That's a big deal when looking to the future of games for the consoles. Raytracing eats frame rates for the trade off of looking better. I'll be amazed if Microsoft can pull off some magic that can balance it, but another 30fps experience on consoles is a huge let down otherwise.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I play Cold War with ray tracing and it stays locked at 60?
So, we slowly stared to see the side effects of electroshock on Linus's behaviors.
If there is one thing to consider, it's that nobody has been able to jailbreak an Xbox from Xbox one till now. That's a dealbreaker for many.
It's the only reason I own Playstations...
Me, an intel i5-2500 integrated gpu owner: i like your funny words, magic man
My chassi's a coolermaster elite 310 and my gpu is an amd radeon hd 7700 that's about 13 years old. Can I join the club? Oh and my motherboard doesn't support ddr4 ram.
@@otterpng yeah sure
Radeon R7 240M, can I join?
@@skye3292 yeah y not
Mobile Intel Integrated 2000, beat that!
So basically pc and console are perfect the way they are
Pretty much ! 😆😅
💚
Consoles are gonna need to drop paid online before they're anywhere near perfect.
@@mrrazfromnz +1 Uncle Raz
@@mrrazfromnz has an intelligence lvl of 99
Linus: "we couldn't get it to work despite the best efforts of Me..."
Me: "Eh, there should be a weird way"
Linus: "...Colin..."
Me: "meh, its probably something that can be fixed"
Linus: "... and anthony"
me: "Omg, its literally impossible"
If Anthony can't no one can
They didn't call Wendell tho.
@@MrSirclint The tech support of tech support
Just recently switched from PC to Xbox I hope i’ll be back to PC someday but I am really disappointed at how things have gone lately with graphics cards and other hardware availability.
I was ready, money in hand refreshing the page when the 3080 came out with a huge full ROG build already ready for it, only to have it literally go from not yet available to out of stock immediately on Newegg and Best Buy. I thought about it for quite some time and sold my ROG build for cheap to someone genuinely interested in PC gaming. Got a Series X a few months later at MSRP and I absolutely love it. I realize it’s also hard to find a Series X but it’s nowhere near as difficult to find one at MSRP as it is to find a new graphics card at MSRP. And no I’m not going to enter some lottery to spend money, that’s stupid (looking at you Newegg).
I have a 512GB USB full of ROM’s for dev mode RetroArch and Gamepass Ultimate so many great games in reach it’s truly incredible. I can even play some of my Steam games on the Series X via GeForce now in Edge and while GeForce Now is not a fantastic experience so far it’s even more games to play.
U sold ur whole rig because you couldn't find one of the top gpus on the market? Why not just buy a worse gpu for the time and wait out the gpu shortage? A pretty decent amount of gpus are better than the series X's and more readily available.
@@aritano491 Shortages have been going on for quite a while, the current one is just the latest in line and even this one has been pretty long so far. I liked building rigs with newer parts and upgrading them when new things came out that I thought were cool, that was a big part of the hobby for me but the market for PC parts is pretty much just a let down all together now and I decided it’s not worth the trouble anymore.
@@yellowdeli you remind me the good old days... Back in 2015 when I built my pc for the very first time. I bought GTX 980 ti for around $580 from Newegg in Dec 2015. I guess we will never back to the normal. Top-performance PC used to be so affordable.
@@junweiqiu3510 I miss those days as well, the 980Ti was the first high end card I ever purchased and it was such an awesome experience. That really sparked a passion for building PC’s in fact I loved building them a little more than playing games on them lol. It’s too bad that it’s so cost prohibitive to build a high end PC now :(
Hopefully someday the market will stabilize but i’m not holding much hope for that now.
hardly blame you. i bought my rtx 3070 at an inflated price and while i love it it just does not hold a candle to the value propisition these consoles hold, EVER. hell even before the covid inflation the gpu prices for the rtx 2000 series straight up blew. pc building has sucked for a while now.
Buying parts from AliExpress. Hope the fire station is close by.
+1
Why though? They're mostly the same products definitely made in the same factories.
@@sinekonata Two words: Quality Control!
@baz watts If you buy from a mistrusted vendor that can probably happen. But I've never bought from any seller with less than 95% reviews, most of them, and never had anything that wasn't advertised. Also, read the buyer's reviews. They tell us when something is wrong.
@@zperdek When you don't quality control, your review section gets bombed. You have to be careful that there are enough reviews of course.
What ever you choose Microsoft is happy
*chooses PS5*
I didn't hear a copy of Windows in the list of expenses.
@@ScrapKing73 bruh you can get windows even for like 3usd
@@ScrapKing73 Also, you can run Legit Win 10 unactivated indefinitely. When running unactivated you only get critical updates and get some nagging screens. But the core operating system will work without activation.
@@mackenziecoleman8103 There are only 5 Ps5's in this world.
$69 Xeon, $69 motherboard, I7-6900K, I think I notice a trend here...
My rule of thumb for decent mid range gaming rig is: whatever the best console's current price is > double it and build a PC for around that budget that is if you're building new.
It'll be more expensive, but also more powerful, plus you have the option to emulate any old games. Games on PC usually are cheaper and you get phat sales.
Also you can also sail the seven seas.
For me, "theoretically" just edges out "should".
“...unless you work in the price of a controller...” (and a 4k bluray drive) “...you didn’t match it”
Isn't there an Xbox with no drive though?
And hdmi 2.1
@@Skrenja the s but that one is $299 lol
A Blu-ray player from LG cost about $150. (Walmart)
Fitting that into their budget would have been impossible...
And they say that consoles can only play games. Lol
@@AurumFaber You can do a bunch of things, but all of them fit into the category of entertainment. While a PC is good for all of that and more, but it does cost a little more.
I have a GTX 1070, and with a little bit of an overclock it still holds up pretty well in new games lol. I don't know why Linus was expecting it to crash and burn
my brother has a 980 and it's actually still holding up new games on 1080 just fine
He's used to his SLI 3090s
Because its bieng compared to a new vega graphic chip and it need to match up to that
I paid $375 for mine, because of my employee discount, and bonus 15% discount for working on black friday.