It doesn't take a Linus to crash Linux, every inexperienced user (which is everyone, at some point) will crash linux. And that's why windows is still a thing.
@@blunderingfool Sounds similar to the Mesa PPA problem I encountered only 2 days after converting full-time to Linux (I think it was just after 22.04 dropped). It flat out refuses to correctly install. A lot of people recommend not using it. I don't know what causes it, and I don't know how to fix it, so I just wait for my distro's repo to drop a new version. It kinda sucks if there's a particular part of the Vulkan API you're waiting on (Emulation geeks know this pain) but definitely better than having to donate another hour... (several hours maybe) of your time to fix the system.
@@zxbc1 I've only been on Linux since March (therefore a noob) and haven't had it crash once. Plus I jumped into the deep end and went vanilla Arch........ BTW (sorry, couldn't resist)
It definately does, I have a 30Euro's powered usb-c hub with a networkport and it works just as good and in my case its alot smaller than the official dock 🤓
I had a cheap usb c hub that worked fine for several months until the usb c power connection stopped working. I then bought I jsaux docking station and could not get it to work for me on either windows or steam os. I went through support for like a month trying to fix it with firmware updates and other fixes that didn't work. I finally got a refund. I now have an official steam deck docking station. It works fine for the most part, but there are problems. sound cuts out randomly for a microsecond ever half hour to an hour or so. plugging in any kind of external storage through usb is pretty much unusable because it keeps randomly disconnecting every minute or so. My experience overall with using an external display has not been great.
Yep, I've used both the cheap USB-C laptop dongles I already had on hand (around $20) as well as a cheap knock-off dock for around $30. Haven't had any real issues plugging into my monitor, k&m, wireless headset and controller, and 60w charger. This basically allows me to have a fully functional gaming/linux pc at my treadmill with minimum fuss.
wow $110 for a 1070 is a great deal. glad to see they finally came down. i was considering selling my 1070 ages ago when they were selling for 500ish as i paid 300 canadian for mine a few months after the cards were released. I dont play games as much anymore but i would have been stuck on my old 680 for who knows how long
I'd love to see a Steam Deck with Zen 4 APUs with RDNA3. With Zen 4's reduced power consumption and RDNA3's improvements, it'd be a huge upgrade with very little modification required.
Should’ve mentioned in comparison to other handhelds, just like a PC, all the parts and instructions to repair/replace are available online (iFixit, in the Deck’s case.) Granted, with how tight of a form factor the Deck is, I don’t much expect that you can easily upgrade many parts. Time will tell, I hope I’m wrong!
@@progenitor_amborella TBH, I strongly doubt there could be an upgrade path from the current Steam Deck to a theoretical Zen 4 based one. That main board and colling solution are very tightly tied to the current chip. I'd be shocked if you could engineer a new APU in the exact, or close enough, dimensions.
I always like looking at the date on the windows desktop during their videos. Gives me an idea for their turnaround time and insight into the current events during filming.
That was my first thought when I saw that they went with the 256GB. If you're really worried about a budget and building a PC is a consideration, using a resource like IFixIt to demonstrate how to change the SSD is likely a better option. For myself, I did go with the 512GB option -- mostly due to it being a reservation made at launch -- but for a gift, I just did exactly what you said. You can also put the extra ~$100 that you saved toward a dock (any will work fine), protective shell, and a screen protector. EDIT: Replaced the mention of a "case" with "protective shell".
@@leonro Yes, my apologies... I meant something more like a shell. So, that's really only if you're worried about on-the-go protection. Although, while I had a reservation for dbrand's Project Killswitch, when I read that it doesn't work with Steam's Deck Dock, I cancelled the reservation. So, you may have issues using an official dock and any sort of protective measure. You can always use other docks though. I used an Anker USB hub meant for laptops prior to getting the Valve version.
to be honest, the best part of the steam deck is its little bonuses that come with gaming mode. the fact that you can just put it on sleep mode and then turn it on and be right where you left off is incredible. you can also play multiple games at the same time. you can access anything while on gaming mode. and its got plug in loaders like steam decky to further upgrade your experience on the deck.
When my GPU died, i went excusively on my steam deck for my daily computer processes. It's been a journey. From buying the 64GB model to upgrading it to 512GB for $50. Reflashing the OS. To daily driving linux and tinkering with the OS to making it my liking. I will admit, I've missed some windows processes, but with Wine and Proton, I've hardly missed a beat. The Steam Deck w/ a dock is hands down one of the best experiences I've had. Its cheap, works, (There are some work arounds), and I'm learning Linux along the way. Anyone into learning new experiences and have a small budget, and some tech knowledge. I recommend using a steam deck as your daily driver. Whether you buy the 64GB and upgrade like I did for $450 total or buy the 512GB for $700. Its worth every penny.
I supported the Steam Deck because of the potential it had in pushing Linux into the mainstream. I've never been a fan of Linux, but I've always loved the principles behind it. Computing for the people by the people. Open source. Real privacy. I love my steam deck, but I love SteamOS more. A byproduct of Valve's success might actually be a true shift away from Windows for many users. I'll buy every iteration of the steam deck moving forward if it means SteamOS becomes truly competitive. I want to see it as an option in the OS drop down menu when mom goes to buy little Timmy a dell laptop, right next to Windows and Ubuntu.
indeed. i'm a PC builder for decades but I comparing it to anything else at the strict budget makes others lame. While the CPU is weaker vs the larger TDPs, a little patience sorts that out. too bad for me, I already bought an Intel 12th Gen that will last me years. A Steam deck might not be an option unless I need laptop for travel
I picked up the steam deck initially because of the price and for it's parts availability. Aya, GPDwin, and the others don't really give you the option to make repairs like valve does with ifixit parts. Afterwards it became a solid choice heading into winter. We get windstorms that just kill power for hours during the winter time. My initial thought was to use an apc power backup to power the steam deck, modem and router. I already have the apc backup for my desktop but with the steam deck it would last much longer than the 20 minutes on my desktop. I could even just have it running the router and modem. Now though I'm somewhat tempted to get a jackery for extended use.
@@diamondarrow4567 you really need to force yourself to use it as a daily driver to actually try it. Or have it on a device that greatly benefits from using it, like the steam deck. My steam deck journey showed me how I'm still right about a lot of my grievances with linux, mainly stability and learning curve, but also that I was wrong on many accounts. Valve is putting a lot of effort into SteamOS and it shows. Having ONE platform shared by everyone is an incredible boost to the helpfulness of forum advice. I'm actually considering installing SteamOS on my main rig now, to try out the performance and really see the drawbacks.
We live in a really privileged time for insane price to performance buys. It'll probably cost you about 20 bucks nowadays to get pizza delivery, so for the price of 20 pizza deliveries you can get the steam deck, the mavic mini 2 which is a literal portable flying helicopter that shoots 4k video, or a xiaomi note 12 pro+ which goes head to head with even recent flagship phones. We are basically surrounded by insane feats of engineering.
honestly im torn between steam deck and the ayn loki mini pro with the i3 upgrade AND the 16gb ram upgrade. slightly cheaper, windows 10 out the box and id mainly use it for like 2005 nfsmw and ps2 era emu/games on pc
the steam deck seems a bit big and bulky not to mention a bit of optimization issues for the whole linux situation considering i have like 1400 steam games
Really 😂 Steam deck on AAA games can do almost 30fps on 720p with fsr on , The Steam deck price 500+$ A pc with that performance only gonna cost you 130$ 😂😂😂
@@iikon01 wtf r u talking about my steamdeck can run red dead redemption 2 on medium to high graphics at around 40-50fps, and it only cost me 400dollars +an 8 dollar micro sd card, please stop spreading missinformation on the internet,p.s. and cyberpunk on high settings at a locked 30 frames per second Oh and btw check the difintion of AAA games, a AAA game is assasins creed black flag(my steamdeck can run it at around 60 or more fps at max settings) or idk any older or newer game released by a big corporation , plenty of AAA games are old and dont need a good pc to play
@Slayer - red dead ? Cyberpunk? Really? Try and run the last of us part 1 and get more than 30 fps on 720p I dare you Try hogwarts legacy ! Even on 720p it's struggling bro ! With 500$ the 64gb steam deck price you can build an rx 6600 pc ! Do u understand what is rx 6600? It's 15 time stronger than steam deck
@@zxbc1 Who cares? Literally the ONLY game I ever saw where ray-tracing actually made a huge difference was Minecraft. Now, admittedly, it does look SUPER good in Minecraft and even goes so far as to change the game a little bit, but regardless, one game is just not enough to justify shelling out extra cash for ray-tracing cores. Now, if you were talking about Blender workloads, NOW you might have a point, but even then, my Titan Xp still does a DAMN good job with it, especially considering it has zero RT cores, and it's MORE than enough for the average artist or even perhaps a professional artist. Pascal, especially at its height, was just that fucking good. Only enterprise customers are actually going to care about the rendering time differences between a card with RT cores, and a card without them. But they're just going to buy Quadro A6000s in bulk anyway. Perhaps Pascal's one big weakness is in compute since it's FP16 for AI workloads is pretty bad since it has no Tensor cores, and its FP64 performance for simulation work is just as bad as well. Or at least on certain Pascal cards anyway funnily enough, though to be quite fair, the Quadro GP100 is, even today, not cheap whatsoever.
@@arnox4554 Here’s 20 games where RT makes a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE: Cp2077, Control, Ghostrunner, Gw tokyo, Minecraft, Ascent, Metro, Spider-Man, SM Miles, RE 7, RE 2, RE village, DL 2, GOTG, Doom Eternal, quake rtx, WD legion, Icarus, Hitman3, FH5 and many more like Witcher 3/Elden ring/Plague tale to come. Had it been 2019/20 then you might have a point but it’s just copium to dismiss Rt in 2022
@@Drip7914 All you listed was 20 games that have ray-tracing, and I already pointed out Minecraft so it's more like 19. Regardless, watch the video LTT did on whether ray-tracing is actually noticeable or not.
@@arnox4554 I listed 20 games that use Rt REFLECTIONS which linuses video didn’t focus on. I’m not denying Rt shadows aren’t difficult to spot but generally Reflections are the “WOW” factor. Swap Minecraft for BfV 🥱 next argument
Pascal Founder's Edition looks so sexy. And was such an awesome card to boot too. Plus the cards had a fair few other advantages. Even after I retire my current PC, I'm still gonna keep my Titan Xp. I swear to hell, even without ray-tracing cores, this thing SCREAMS in Blender. And I haven't even bothered overclocking it yet.
I know this video is 5 months old, but I was able to use the steam deck for my full workstation. I used VSCode, Git, all the other tools. Also, I output to 2x 49” 5120x1440 monitors, performance was still good. Valve released updates to both the steam deck and the dock all the time and within the past 5 months, other than the bug that I reported on the HDMI output has an overlay issue at 3840 line when DP is plugged in, many issues were fixed and even ran so much better than before.
2 Months passed how was your experience so far? Am about to buy a steam deck maybe next month for the low low price of 450$ or less to play terraria specifically and be able to try different games at low settings
@@crefoo1166 I actually bought an Aokzoe A1 Pro. 7840U with 32GB ram, 1TB NVMe, 8” screen, much larger size of battery, built-in kickstand, the best is that it comes with USB 4 port so I could connect to my eGPU and bottom USB-C 3.2 I connect with my thunderbolt hub.
@@hksduhksdu Do you run the A1 Pro with Windows or did you install SteamOS ? I want a Windows handheld and I was thinking of buying the Lenovo Legion Go when we get more legitimate reviews because Steam on handheld is pissing me off (console-like devices should have a plug and play experience). Playnite is a great frontend for windows handheld.
@@charlesm.2604 I run windows because I don’t wanna do dual boot just to play Fortnite, warzone, and League of Legend. I use it for work most of the time so it’s fine. I grew up with mouse and keyboard so I am still picking up the comfort of using controller by playing single player games like Yakuza and Marvel’s Avengers. I play multiplayer FPS games like Titanfall 2 defence frontier on it too. I am actually waiting to see if Lenovo will offer a 32GB Ram model soon after launching, if they do, I will sell my A1 Pro and buy Legion Go because I really like their design, especially the detachable controllers used in FPS mode. Once I tried 32GB Ram on my A1 Pro, I don’t wanna go back to 16GB, not enough for me.
@@charlesm.2604 idk I've heard most of the Windows handhelds run really bad. I have a Steam Deck and SteamOS runs great. I've not tried dual booting Windows though.
@@epepepe7178 I can play PC games through my phone yes, without worrying about overheating, I do have to worry about a stable internet connection but like I said, any LTE can do 1440 30fps. But having my entire steam library and not just the Linux enabled games is so much better too.
@@notjustforhackers4252 I was referring to the library that already supports Linux, not the wrapper. In theory you can just run native Linux apps on the deck right? Yeah that proton is actually a plus of the deck and the reason why it's marketed as gaming handheld and not a portable.
it's actually a good business also in my country as the price of everything brand new when it comes to computers are too much.. just build a gaming pc with used parts and sell them for profit.. hobby to money.. win/win
Currently the used market is priced roughly around what I'd expect to pay for new parts and the new market is priced roughly what I'd expect to pay if I wanted to buy from scalpers.
The Deck is excellent. I use the official dock with my TV and the experience is very close to being console level. The biggest hurdles to a console like experience are the lack of HDMI CEC, and inability to wake it up via a Bluetooth gamepad. That said, I can't think of another first generation device I've owned that was as good as the Deck is.
I have great news for you friend. With the OLED version they've added wake on bluetooth function. I don't think they added cec or my TV doesn't support it.
My favorite videos are when you target prices and objectives and give us sound buying tips. Truth is that tech adoption and tips are going to be more closely tied to what we can afford than “what can this thing do”.
in that case, this was not a fair competition as always but a paid ad. Like seriuosly he spent $110 on GTX 1070 when he could have had a newer more comperative gpu for same price (RX 5700XTX), he chose i3, when he could have chosen the 5600X and let not mention the sata SSD.
@@Tr3xShad $110 for a 1070 is an amazing price they usually go for 150 at least and the 5700xtx is 200, the 5600x is 160 vs 100 and the sata ssd is actually insanely good value for only $16 like wtf are you on about do you just not understand the point of the video or smth so basically what you're saying is "if you just spent $300 over your budget you could get more fps hurr"
@@Tr3xShad Especially when he then came back to the Steam Deck and had to purchase another $200 worth of kit for it to be comparable...... Definitely a completely half arsed comparison... errrr.... add for the steam deck. "Yeah, the Steam Deck is the best of all of this. It is 40% more expensive and delivers only about 60% of the performance but it's still better"....?
@@squidwardo7074 Hmmmm I thought you guys were cheaper but it seems price are returning back to normal in London. I got my 5600X for £121 and £150 For my 5700XTX 3 weeks ago and I expect further discount now due to black Friday. There are many devices with prices more or closer to newer more powerful hardware. It's always been that way and the inflation caused by mining and lockdown is over. My mate got an RX 580 8gb for £60, while other sells it for £120 - £150. Again this wasn't a fair comparison and a tech channel and team should be able to find better prices.
@@squidwardo7074 Oh and the satta SSD, just add another £15 and you will get yourself and nvme. Remember second hand wasn't a issue. Except you can't think for yourself, but you can build a faster machine for the same money or less. I know this, because I do this for a living (IT technician) and way before papa Linus started his customer assistant role in IT, even though we are age group. Any nobody with 2 sense would see this was to justify and prep up the steam deck but the deck isn't a replacement or design to compete with your pc. It meant to compliment it, so it all ended flat on his face with the Linux desktop as he could do or use it for anything else except slow web browsing but don't take my word on this, take Linus' word or watch his Linux video, and yet still he's here predicting that the steam deck can replace your pc. Let him try use the deck as his delay driver and get back to us or try editing videos. I'll suggest he goes back to his old format of advertising, making shorts quick buck video just for advertisement is taking the shine of the channel. And I'm pretty sure my old OC fm4 apu, crossfire with rx 480 4g will beat what Linus built. One question though, did he tell you what resolution he was running the PC on, was it 900p? Lol
@@skypfo734 I wish they'd gone for double USB ports like some gaming phones and the aya neo handhelds do, but on the whole I think the top USB port is more my jam.
My deck dock works really badly with my TV. Sometimes static, sometimes blank screen, sometimes it works. I bought a much cheaper one which works far better for me.
I’ve had my deck for almost a week now and love it so far. Honestly have not done much modern day gaming but I’ve been doing a lot of portable GameCube and some 360 emulation and been great
@@prakashm1468 doubtful. It'll play a lot of future titles in the next couple of years and you get a back catalogue of retro games up to around the ps2 era. Most modern games to date work great also. Couple that with the portability and i think thats a good investment.
same. I'm actually playing games that I haven't touched yet, hahaha. I think its the laying on couch factor that allows me to enjoy some of the games in my library
Keep in mind that a lot of people have a work laptop (and sometimes a monitor) which they can use for anything but gaming. Steam deck compliments them well
Exactly what I did. Plus the emulation on Steam deck is so comfortable, never ever seen emulation done as good as Emudeck. Even my girlfriend loves it and she doesnt even like games other than Mario Party or Sims. Might even get her a deck for Christmas or something.
Especially since you can just get a generic USB-C dock (Anker 565 in my case, wanted that Display Port), build yourself a nice Steam Deck holder out of some cardboard and swap between laptop and steamdeck even on your desk.
Those older dell laptops with real GPUs in them are a GREAT value. Bought the one with the desktop chip 1050 for my girlfriend, put an SSD in there and it's been great for a long time. Battery pillowed up, and the 150watt power brick is not very common, but it's been a great daily for home use. When we upgrade I'm going to de-case it and turn it into a media center/Emulation box.
Gaben said that the price point was "painful", so I assume they sell these at some sort of a loss in an effort to get more people onto the steam platform.
@@PhantomTissue My only issue with Steam Deck is that they for some ungodly reason decided to make the system run on Linux. Linux has no support for any 3rd party stuff, and half of my STEAM GAMES are unplayable because the OS isn't compatible with the game's anti cheat.
@@KarpetBurn looks like you mostly play shooters and multiplayer then.. there is a section of the gaming community that does mostly single player games. The point of Linux is for the deck to have a less demanding requirement to run an OS. If it run windows, a % of it's processor would go towards windows and the rest towards gaming. Trying to fit a modern cpu in a handheld at that price point is just not possible. That's why they chose Linux.. which btw is a good OS.
Am I the only one to find it a weird sponsor choice? "let's build a super budget friendly $600 pc and hook it up to a mobile power station starting at over 2k!"
@@OutsideDuhBox and TH-cam ad revenue will be a miniscule amount compared to their sponsor. Not to mention they have no control over them (I didn't even get any ads this time around on the Android app)
@@stephen9894 yes. And of course, unfortunately, LTT has become LMTG, a company, a business. And a business end goal is to MAKE money in as little time and effort possible. To a moderation of course
My personal experience was that I got the $399 deck and a Sandisk extreme pro 256gb for $25 on Amazon. Quite a big difference in price. Oh and a copy of the steam dock for another $25 which is perfect. And oddly enough I can run games on my full hd tv an Max and it looks insane. That’s been my experience. No regrets 😁
can you play non steam games? can you play pirated games? 40-60$ for a single game is quite the money when you are very budget focused. Can you play competitive FPS games on it. I know pirating is bad and I don't do it anymore since I got stable income, but when the only person that could buy me games was my mom and we were very poor thing were different.
I picked up the Steam Deck Dock recently and I love it. Not only because it allows me to hook up the Deck to my monitor, but also because of the USC-C I can use it to connect my work laptop too. It's also priced very competitively when compared to other USB-C adapters
The deck is one of the best purchases I ever made. It's been a year and I can't get over how awesome it feels and how well it plays... well... everything. From desktop, to console games. I even use it more often than my switch to play switch games. I also tripple boot with ubuntu and windows included just for shits and giggles. With 1TB storage there are no limits.
One thing that I remember testing on the Steam Deck was the 120Hz refresh rate support when docked. Overwatch 2 at low/medium settings + DRS, and Tony Hawk 1+2 both played comfortably near 120FPS on the Deck, and a lot of indie games, older games, and rhythm games comfortably hit that target too. The software stack on the Steam Deck is actually really good enough for me to justify putting together an ITX rig with a spare 6700XT that I have lying around, and then installing SteamOS or HoloISO on it. Feels like HTPCs hooked up to TVs have been substandard until Valve finally released a tenfoot UI that doesn't suck (Playnite, Kodi's game section, Pegasus, Launchbox, and several others have a whole host of problems, and their UI is nowhere nearly as tightly integrated as a game console, especially on Windows), system updates aren't completely forced on you (Making the time it takes to get in-game after dealing with that and driver updates far longer), and I'd actually argue with the scaling options and gamescope, it's far easier to get games working with custom resolutions and integer scaling compared to Windows. The Steam Deck and SteamOS just needs a VRR toggle (Which is reportedly coming, as support has been merged in Gamescope), and HDR support when docked, and then it will be a perfectly viable option if you don't care about the five or six multiplayer games without Proton support (R6S, Fortnite, Rust, Destiny 2, Halo MCC, and Call of Duty comes to mind).
Most of them are actually a generic usb graphic card that may not work properly with linux. I had a dock that uses same gpu as dell's docks and with Arch-based KDE on xorg it was not usable. Yes, it kind of worked but because of frame rate mismatch and other problems it started tearing and lost responsiveness. If the monitor in dock was the only output it dropped xorg's frame rate to 1fps. DisplayPort hubs usually don't have this problem because DP is driven by the computer. HDMI is driven by the hub and sometimes cause problems.
@@TomeczekH Are they? In my experience the ones that act as a graphics card (like displaylink ones) are more expensive. You notice this when you try to plug in more than 4 monitors to a laptop.
I would have loved to see this as a scrapyard wars where Luke or Linus just buys a second hand Aya Neo or Steam Deck and tries to wipe the floor with the other.
Oh I miss junkyard wars between Linus and Luke... I really hope they do a similar video/series after the black Friday for people who want something ultra-cheap.
@@GrandTheftHollow It has definitely been a long minute. I didn't even think to double check because I 100% thought I remembered the name correctly lol
Technically this should be tested against using using the Steam Deck UI (the one that's replacing Big Picture Mode) using the Steam Controller vs the Steam Deck entirely.
Steamdeck was a great way for me to at least begin PC gaming. It's gonna hold me over until I buy all the parts for my dream PC. Plan on building it myself.even when it's done I'll still use the steamdeck as my best emulation device, and some games that are great for playing while traveling
@@I.C.Weiner I don't plan on getting anything super expensive. Unless it's a last resort and I find it worth it. I don't plan on switching parts or anything for a long time anyways. As much as I'd love a 4080 or whatever. I can make due with a 3080 or even a slightly worse one until then.
F1 2022 is actually working great on the Deck now, I've been playing it and it's pretty cool playing on the Deck, I actually had the game already set aside on Playstation after only a few hours of play, but on PC and on the Steam Deck the game seems better to play. I also really like having the option to switch between the desktop and the Deck
I would’ve appreciated that you mentioned the MicroSD capabilities of the Steam Deck as a “cheap” way to expand your storage without needing to open your Steam Deck, as you can for example buy multiple good 256GB cards for not much and carry different games on them and interchange them like cartridges, if you want to expend more to have more games with you 512GB already have accesible prices in my opinion (there are also 1TB options, but the prices there are exponentially higher)
Yeah, steam deck clearly wins if they actually do it fairly. The 400 dollar steam deck is just as capable, and the SD reader is almost as fast as the on-board nvme storage, making the 256gb model a huge waste of money on this "budget" gaming setup lol they couldn't find a computer that could match the 400 dollar steam deck with a 50 dollar SD card, so they went up to a worse deal to even it out
Eny Tower computer have a way to expend the storege in tower computer you by able to buy 1gb around 60 to 70 box also you able to buying a SD or micro SD flash drive or even to or to add some form off explain slot that contains SD cards slot In few words tower computer it's just better for storage for the steam Deck As for the laptop the multiple laptop that you able to Chenge the internet storege but shady not every have this opinion and ther is some laptop that has SD slot by default as well and some laptop have extra nvme slot ect
Been using the deck for work for almost a year. You can do multiple system on it by simply switch your portable SSD with system build in. Work just fine with basic PS AI and other video editing software. The customization is great. I can just take it off the dock and use it for gaming or as small pad. Or I can dock it to use it as a PC for both gaming and working.
My steam deck w/ a dock/KVM has almost replaced my gaming PC. If I'm just browsing the web/youtube or playing a lighter game I'm using that instead of powering up my full gaming PC. I only use the full PC when I want to play a AAA game on the full size screen. It started as a way to cut down on the heat generated in my house this past summer so I could used the A/C less and now with the price of energy skyrocketing it's still helping me keep the bills down this winter. I love this thing so much.
@@drackar It is for when it's actually needed to be running but, let's be honest; There's no way heating my house by running my PC when it's not in use (or just being used to browse the internet) is more efficient than just letting my actual heating system do it. Plus, it only really heats the room the PC is in. Meaning it just ends up being hot in that one room instead of actually heating your home evenly.
@@drackar Exactly, "In Use". I said running it when it would not normally be needed. (i.e. at idle state) Obviously when I'm using it for a stressful application it needs to be on anyway so I might as well use the heat it produces but, otherwise I'll let my actual home heating system do it. And like I stated before. Just like a space heater it only heats one room. Maybe you're different but, to me, as a person that runs hot as it is, that is undesirable.
I think since you went used on the two pcs, it would have been more fair to go with the $399 steam deck with a SSD swap for like $30 and the jsaux dock for $39.99, then the steam deck has all the same compatibility, plus it's only about $470 total, plus as far as compatibility you can boot windows on a SD card and get a windows key for like $10.
Yes, but still, less than half the FPS for the same price. And you stuck with a small and low res screen or you can play at 1280x720 resolution on a 22inch monitor. And this is just now. After two or three years you can upgrade that 1070 and continue playing, but the deck will be a useless e-waste.
@@AdamHKatona A useless e-waste? That's definitely an over-statement. Especially in "2-3 years". Maybe it won't be able to handle the latest AAA games in that time, but it will still be able to emulate consoles from PS3 back, play nearly endless indie games, and play many AAA games with settings turned down. To be clear, I am not saying that the 1070 isn't a better investment. I am just saying that the Steam Deck will only be e-waste if the wrong person buys it. I'll rock mine until it dies. Then, I will most likely fix it.
@@AdamHKatona It's still a handheld ya know. I've played far more games on my deck than I have on my PC even with issues just because I have a more relaxed way to play
as a mom who likes to game ive been debating on a laptop or a steam deck since sitting down at a desk is pretty much out of the picture for me, so this came onto my feed at just the right time! thanks linus!
If you haven't made a decision already, I'd highly recommend a Steam Deck or RoG Ally for that style of play! From my experience, it's just much more convenient and 'ergonomic' a setup if you're not using desks. Also the big boost of having quick and easier access to its full capabilities while travelling or switching between rooms and locations is a nice bonus!
I just got my steam deck 3 days ago and I gotta say it's perfect for everything I need. Just got a cheap usb-c dongle to plug in my monitor and use my bluetooth keyboard and mouse. The portability factor is great and it plays all of my games at 1080p 60. For my daily use there's nothing in this price point with as many of my boxes checked. After seeing the comperable hardware in this price point I'm even happier with my purchase.
The best part of this video is how the Steam Deck won out in the end. Love mine, and love seeing Linus give it due credit! Seriously one of the top pieces of kit I've picked up this year. Thanks, Valve! =)
I challenged myself to run the steamdeck as my daily computer for a whole month and the only thing I had problems with was running niche programs made back in 2013 I had used for some of my programming projects. I actually really enjoyed using it, it was amazing, I had small issues. Mostly yuzu emulation I had problems with, I think the FSR injected into the graphics system for the emulation and caused a lot of shader issues on a few small titles I had wanted to play, works fine on my PC, but the steamdeck was just absolutely not having it. After following difficult to understand guides on how to install things like league of legends, it...ran amazing! I played runescape, league, space engineers, terraria, phantasy star online 2 (which took a lot of effort to work), they all did it's job!! I think it's like...a step forward but a step backwards, it gives you a GREAT computer for it's size, but we're going back in terms of user experience, it reminds me of windows XP, or even windows 98 where there were things you had to manually do to get software/hardware to even function, like signing your USB devices, or manually assigning a DHCP address because your router didn't do it. It's kinda like those small annoyances but in a different flavour.
I like how you just go through the options, show them all, point out few key details, than make small conclusion but every viewer can make their conclusion themselves as it fits their needs and abilities. Great!
im quite suprised by how powerful the steamdeck is. i run mine as a Emulation machine and it does it suprisingly well, even with the overhead from Emulation.
I’m thinking of doing the same. What storage size did you buy? I heard that some apps don’t only download to the SD card and was curious on if the 64gb was enough
My primary use of my Steamdeck is with it's dock on my lunch break at work. Plus it's a great option for streaming binge shows in desktop mode. Well worth every $ so far.
I paid Valve 400€ for Steam Deck in Finland. Also I paid 400€ for nVidia RTX 3060 non-ti, and it was by far the best value GPU you could get. I'd say Steam Deck value for money is simply unbeatable.
2 things about the PC. 1) you can easily game on 1060 6GB without issues which is cheaper than 1070 and you can buy faster SSD even though SATA SSD is still plenty fast for a lot of people. 2) Since steamdeck is running Steam OS you can install linux distro on the PC(POP OS maybe Steam OS in time) and you'll get same compatibility as with Steam Deck and you still can do most of the basic tasks on that PC.
I actually have that Dell G15 laptop you showed, with slightly better specs. Been using it for about 2 - 3 years and it's still great. I do art, design, animation, editing and compositing and a lot of gaming and it's served me well. Had it for the majority of my animation degree so it's been through a lot. Love it.
As someone who liked his G15 5500 so much he bought some for his kids, I love seeing it in this video. It's a fun laptop and I think it will serve us all for some years no issue
Same here, using Dell G15 5515. It's great and it has not giving me much issue since I bought it (only some graphical glitches due to an issue with GFX sometimes but that's as far as it bothers me). My Steam Deck arrives tomorrow and I can't wait to have it as a secondary gaming machine, where I live we have a lot of power outages so having my laptop on is not a good idea, here's where the Steam Deck works for me.
I used to run an older model with a 1060 and 8th gen quadcore. Beastly laptop, thin, had thunderbolt, and was super upgradable. I upgraded the RAM and SATA drive, added an NVMe drive, and repasted the CPU/GPU a few times without a sweat. For all the crap Dell gets, their computers have been great for me.
The big thing is that Valve guarantees it's price in every single region and in the case of my country (Czech Republic) they even eat up the 21% VAT to ensure the same price. Building the mentioned PC in Europe is pretty much impossible with the prices here.
@@capsulate8642 almost all current console hardware is sold on a loss or breakeven with the expectation that the game/subscription money will more than make up for it. Steam takes a 30% cut on all steam transactions so they can more than make up for that.
@@thelakeman2538 Yeah, but considering it can also run Windows/Linux and most buyers probably already have Steam libraries built up, it's a bold move. I'd probably just run windows and play non-steam games most of the time if I had one.
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We can read books on the go since centuries. We can listen to music on the go since decades. We can watch movies on the go since years. Now, it is time that we can play games on the go with equally little compromises. I hope the Steam Deck 2 will become an even bigger success. To such an degree, that it really kickstarts an entire market with huge demand for these handhelds.
Keyword for the console fanboys, "EQUALLY LITTLE COMPROMISES" We know the PSP, Vita, DS family and Switch are fun machines, but they dwarf compared to these handhelds both functionally and performance wise
I think the big spark is not their 2nd version of the hardware, but the proliferation of more Proton and making Steam OS distro readily available. A lot of people are asking the question "Deck Verified?" to devs more and more and they're noticing.
@@bpdcraft for the sake of consistency I also want SteamOS released for non-Deck pcs since I realized it's Arch based and I have little by little learning how that works, so if I were to use an Arch based distro, might as well keep the same distro as the Deck, cause 99% of what I do on one should then work on the other
@@OfficialDJSoru -you can already download steam os for anything- EDIT: no you can't, at least not the arch version directly from valve, i thought HoloISO was official.
Watch Valve have a fix for the keyboard login here in a few days. They have been pushing update after update since this launched, and it's amazing. I also noticed you didn't mention that the Dock is not the only option, as just about any usb-c hub works shockingly well.
Be very careful with "just about any usb-c hub".... Any of them that use DisplayLink will not work. You need a dock that uses DP-alt-mode otherwise the steam deck will not be able to use the attached screen. Most cheap docks use DisplayLink.
Have had my steam deck since July and I don't regret buying it one bit. I did try to use it as a desktop for a while but it's really not powerful enough for 1080p gaming so I built a new gaming PC, but if you're okay with 720p, it is pretty cool to be able to have such a small computer that you can take anywhere and use as your daily PC.
loading a AAA game off an sd card in the steam deck would be like trying to play mozart on a kazoo....it may work eventually but the time wasted and experience had will not be a good one.
I own one and have a Jsaux dock. I use it as my primary gaming machine. New World is playing near 60 outside cities and 45+ in cities. I've played in wars, pvp and large pve battles. It's super good. Great purchase!
The problems with "eBay specials" are the very local prices, very platform specific buyers protection, not taking into account nearly €2/liter fuel prices for picking up from the sellers (when the buyers protection does suck), the time it takes to pick stuff up and the extra time it takes to find that one great bargain second hand. Making buying new the most realistic option.
I use my S21 Ultra on a DEX dock (hardwired) connected to a 55" TV. Running Xbox Cloud Gaming, using a USB Xbox controller plugged into the DEX dock. Works surprisingly good!
The steam deck display is worthless, I've seen people throw away displays that look nicer than the built in screen on the steam deck, and a cheap set of peripherals is the same story.
surprised he crossed out the 64gb model when you can easily get a 256gb 2230 nvme drive for the base model and save yourself a cool $75. though i think trying to build a comparable pc for only $450 would be unfair, and it technically wouldnt be an out of the box experience with the steam deck.
@@joesoso9656 I'm surprised he didn't go with an APU from AMD in this case, or at least downgrade to a GTX 1060. Still, the numbers on the performance shows that most games are able to be played on 60fps with the traditional options while the Deck struggles to hit past 40 at lower resolutions. If you like playing at higher framerates, the used Dell really lets you play without compromise to portability. Emulation and battery life are also considerations he didn't make, but are both important to the Steam Deck's value.
@@vedrisca this pretty much, even if you go for a 400 dollar 64gb steamdeck, you can beat it handily with an apu at an aggressive price comparison if you buy a 720p monitor or 800p if they even make that still and use linux.
Modern AAA games are massively under optimised. They do this because it allows them to ship quickly and cheaply, and hardware makers are happy with this status quo because it sells gear Older games were optimised to all heck, look at RollerCoaster Tycoon (1) which runs on a potato despite simulating literally thousands of people at once
Honestly I originally got my Steam Deck to use when traveling but I game on it more than my desktop now. They really need to release a steam controller 2 with a similar form factor and the same controls. It's easily my favorite device ever and it's controls specifically make my old favorite one feel so limited.
the idea of whipping up a device to play games in public transportation has to be the one thing with this video that strikes me as "holy shit, what a world are other people living in" 'cause if you do that with anything where I live, you'll find two of the device you left your home with in santa claus's pants.
It's really cool seeing these "old" graphics cards like the 1070 still kicking it. As much as the new 40 series cards show kick ass performance, I don't really need them when I can game just fine on pascal or turing.
I bought the steam deck for the portability. It'll help me out getting my large backlog of steam games completed, and play games i previously couldn't with my old Dell Latitude. And, i also want to turn it into an emulation machine where i can play things like Animal Crossing (on the gamecube) in my bed before getting some sleep. It is interesting that you could make something better for less money than the 512 Gb model.
He could not as the Steam Deck is all build new and his other picks were second hand or partly second hand on hardware which you really rather not buy second hand.
I just bought a deck+dock, and it's astonishing how much it's improved since these early days. Genuinely a downright hassle free experience now. And it emulates like a beast.
yeah until you realize steam deck is 720p 🤢 what is this the early 2000s? even my old phone has quadruple. not even 1080 like cmon now what are you spending $600 on? gabens dinner? i heard he eats alot. it would cost them next to nothing for 1080
I got a steam deck cuz my old laptop was not able to run much of any things and was on its last leg, got to say the steam deck is surprisingly good as a full time desktop i have been using it for 3d modeling ,gaming and school.
In a similar situation and debating if I want to wait the 4-5 months before I have enough to get a mid level pc or just cave in and get the deck + dock. Tho, I do want a pc not just for gaming but for music production + art and I got no idea if Linux is compatible with the programs I'm using for those.
@@thomgizziz lol the Steam Deck is also like $100 cheaper then the used laptop. If you just buy the 64 GB version of the Steam Deck and buy a Micro SD card, you can get the storage of the second version for a fraction of the price.
Me too. I use an MSI laptop, and i gotta replace the bottom shell for the laptop, and one of the fans. Its all running fine, one of the fans is just loud which is never good. So since it was my birthday i bought the steam deck for myself, did take a week or so to figure out the UI between the game steam and the desktop screen. Still think its worth the buy
@@smolmuffin If you want to do music production, and you are serious about it, then do not get a Steam Deck. Seriously... It should not even be on your list of potential production platforms!
I think the deck is doing a wonderful job. You still have to see, that all of this is coming out of a little 10 watt apu and for that I think it is astonishingly powerful.
@@barnett25 "At $400 for the base model, nothing comes close to the Deck for cheap entry into PC gaming. Even at $550 for the 256GB version I think you would have to find a deal on facebook marketplace or something to compete with a PC." People have literally been putting graphics cards in office PC's and getting better performance for years bro
It's that 1070 card. Pascal is still absolutely running right over its competition to this day. lol And that was just a freaking 1070 too. 1080 Ti for not that much more money would have beaten that AMD chip in the Steam Deck like a red-headed step child.
@@barnett25 I usually wouldn't use facebook but yeah you can usually get better performance out of a well selected GPU in an old optiplex than you'll get out of a steam deck
Yeah it's getting less than half the frames. Even if we factor in that maybe you'd have to push the PC budget by another $100 that's substantial. I mean the takeaway is that desktops are the best performance/$ deal out there, since they don't need a battery and managing the heat from the processors is much easier in a desktop. But the steam Deck or the laptop are still good options if you want something portable.
Another thing that wasn't touched on at all was the battery life. Now I'm happy that the Steam Deck exists, and I look forward hopefully seeing a successor, and further development and adoption of Steam OS, BUT, having to be tethered to a charging cable of some kind if you want to play for more than about 2 hours at a time (in some cases) only qualifies it as being quasi-portable, or portable with an asterisk imo.
That's the catch. The only chance to match the pricing of the Steam Deck is to go for heavily used parts. It's definitely the perfect companion device if you already own a PC.
Is it fuck, just buy an RTX 3060 gaming laptop, it'd blow the steam deck out of the water. What's the point of a steam deck if it's already struggling to run games properly?
@@NoName-dc5df you're missing the obvious. It's a portable gaming device that plays AAA games and comes at a ridiculously low price tag. Therefore, its primary target audience are hardcore gamers with a proper gaming rig, who also want to play their games on the go. tl,dr: you buy a Steam Deck if you already own that 3060 gaming laptop. 😉
couldve saved roughly $100 USD (i think ish) if you went 10th gen i3, naturally there is some performance loss but youd only be looking at 2 maybe 3 frames when paired with a 1070.
@@Fluff3H They already did use an i3. i3-12100F, costing $108.99. Timestamp: 1:48. So I ask again - where's that 100 USD save you're talking about? Or do you know of an i3 that costs 10 bucks?
I'm actually fairly shocked how cheap you managed to get that 1660 Ti laptop. When I bought mine, it was around $1k AUD, but with an i7 CPU rather than an i5, and that was only a couple years ago. It's still a great laptop that serves me well even in more recent titles.
"only a couple years ago".....? A couple of years is a lifetime for these machines. A couple of years ago I bought an i5/1060Ti laptop for €1200. A couple of months ago I spent the same and got an i7/3070Ti. That old laptop was sold for about €400. Don't compare modern second hand prices with "new" from a couple of years ago; there really is no comparison.
Worth noting that he paid $525 USD, which is $777 AUD. I also bought a 1660 Ti laptop in Australia around the same time (with a 9th gen i7) for about the same price as you. I'm not especially surprised that he managed to get something about $200 bucks cheaper with a slightly worse CPU from the second hand market. Honestly I'm surprised it cost that much.
Thing is, the Steamdeck has an ace up its sleeve, at least for regions where energy costs are going trough the roof right now: 15 watts maximum power usage and 25 watts when the battery has to be charged. And you can simply install another OS if SteamOS isn't for you, i installed a vanilla Arch and got from Valves repository what special stuff the SD needs to work, in essence the kernel and the audio drivers so that the internal speakers work.
With a decent office chair you can sit anywhere. I got a great chair, it's a old generic office chair but it's just really comfy and i got a footrest to put my feet, legs on, never been more comfortable.
@@ovreillopez5981 As someone who's used remote play on both the Deck and my Phone, it is definitely a much better experience on the Deck. Yes, you can have a Bluetooth controller connected to your phone, but everything is just much easier to access and do on the Steam Deck. That said, I wouldn't pay $400 just to stream games from my PC, though.
Just did the math and visited a few local websites here in Melbourne AU and have come to realise that $600 USD ($880 AUD) PC would cost $3,500 AUD in parts here in Australia due to the price-gouging Australian PC parts retailers engage in. They will literally charge $500 AUD here for something you can get for $100 USD ($146 AUD) in the USA...
@@thomgizziz You've clearly never tried to build a gaming PC in Australia... It costs $2,000 AUD to cobble together the parts which could have been had for around $500 USD in North America. The reason for this is because whilst there's used parts online, most eBay sellers in the USA who are asking fair prices for this stuff won't post to Australia, so we're left with the Australian-based retailers and eBay sellers who price gouge out the wahzoo...
If you do find parts online at a reasonable price, they don't include shipping in that price, so you're usually paying an extra $50-200 per part, at prices that would qualify for free shipping in other parts of the world.
Let's not forget that the Deck also supports FSR (and I believe it also works on external displays)? There are some games I pop down to ~540p and scale back up with FSR and it is very hard to tell the difference on the Steam Deck's display.
For $400, the steam deck is awesome. Granted, I did buy a 256GB NVME for $45, 512GB SSD for $60, Screen Protector for $10, and the leather skin from dbrand for $60, which brings it to $575 total spent. But its an amazing value for money and more importantly the community support is priceless.
I'm amazed at Linus' ability to make Linux crash whenever he's in the same room as a computer with it.
My brother once tried to update his graphics drivers on a linux distro... They uninstalled all right, then it was a brick. XD
It doesn't take a Linus to crash Linux, every inexperienced user (which is everyone, at some point) will crash linux. And that's why windows is still a thing.
@@blunderingfool Sounds similar to the Mesa PPA problem I encountered only 2 days after converting full-time to Linux (I think it was just after 22.04 dropped). It flat out refuses to correctly install. A lot of people recommend not using it. I don't know what causes it, and I don't know how to fix it, so I just wait for my distro's repo to drop a new version.
It kinda sucks if there's a particular part of the Vulkan API you're waiting on (Emulation geeks know this pain) but definitely better than having to donate another hour... (several hours maybe) of your time to fix the system.
@@zxbc1 I've only been on Linux since March (therefore a noob) and haven't had it crash once. Plus I jumped into the deep end and went vanilla Arch........ BTW (sorry, couldn't resist)
Linux be like: *there can be only one Linus and you sure ain't look like my dad*
Linus have my children
If Linus isn't available, I'll take em. 👍
Do you want to impregnate him or does he keep your existing children in the basement?
Nice man😊
Well that was a creepy thing to say...
mine too, I don't want 'em no more
To be fair, you can use any docking method, not just the official one. You can just get a cheap dongle and it'd work.
It definately does, I have a 30Euro's powered usb-c hub with a networkport and it works just as good and in my case its alot smaller than the official dock 🤓
Or even just buy a JSAUX dock for a comparable experience at half the price
I use a type c to hdmi Samsung cable lol . I have read some can mess up the steam deck ?
I had a cheap usb c hub that worked fine for several months until the usb c power connection stopped working. I then bought I jsaux docking station and could not get it to work for me on either windows or steam os. I went through support for like a month trying to fix it with firmware updates and other fixes that didn't work. I finally got a refund. I now have an official steam deck docking station. It works fine for the most part, but there are problems. sound cuts out randomly for a microsecond ever half hour to an hour or so. plugging in any kind of external storage through usb is pretty much unusable because it keeps randomly disconnecting every minute or so. My experience overall with using an external display has not been great.
Yep, I've used both the cheap USB-C laptop dongles I already had on hand (around $20) as well as a cheap knock-off dock for around $30. Haven't had any real issues plugging into my monitor, k&m, wireless headset and controller, and 60w charger. This basically allows me to have a fully functional gaming/linux pc at my treadmill with minimum fuss.
wow $110 for a 1070 is a great deal. glad to see they finally came down. i was considering selling my 1070 ages ago when they were selling for 500ish as i paid 300 canadian for mine a few months after the cards were released. I dont play games as much anymore but i would have been stuck on my old 680 for who knows how long
A very good deal. That link is currently showing $360 for the cheapest used option for me.
can i have your 680 because have integrated
I actually got 2 second-had GTX1080 for about 180 USD each. Let's hope they will for some time.
It's not. It's over$200 for a 1070
Really I just got a 1660 ti oc for 120 on ebay
With how good it is for a first gen product, I'm really excited to see what the next iteration of the steam deck will be.
I'd love to see a Steam Deck with Zen 4 APUs with RDNA3. With Zen 4's reduced power consumption and RDNA3's improvements, it'd be a huge upgrade with very little modification required.
Imagine if it had an OLED with thinner bezels AND better battery life and performance! That would be amazing.
Me too
Should’ve mentioned in comparison to other handhelds, just like a PC, all the parts and instructions to repair/replace are available online (iFixit, in the Deck’s case.)
Granted, with how tight of a form factor the Deck is, I don’t much expect that you can easily upgrade many parts. Time will tell, I hope I’m wrong!
@@progenitor_amborella TBH, I strongly doubt there could be an upgrade path from the current Steam Deck to a theoretical Zen 4 based one. That main board and colling solution are very tightly tied to the current chip. I'd be shocked if you could engineer a new APU in the exact, or close enough, dimensions.
I always like looking at the date on the windows desktop during their videos. Gives me an idea for their turnaround time and insight into the current events during filming.
whatcha talkin bout willis
@@babaganoosh7020 date on his pc was like 11/14 or something when they filmed it. Takes time to edit/upload
Not always just the turnaround time. They probably finish their videos well before when they need to based on their schedule
@@onioneater69 actually, it is not an advantage now, since Linus killed "first on Floatplane" releases since it messes up their pipeline.
or these just aren't videos that are time sensitive and he has a queue of finished videos to upload
I bought the $399 version and put an SSD in there for $30 myself. WINNING!
That was my first thought when I saw that they went with the 256GB. If you're really worried about a budget and building a PC is a consideration, using a resource like IFixIt to demonstrate how to change the SSD is likely a better option. For myself, I did go with the 512GB option -- mostly due to it being a reservation made at launch -- but for a gift, I just did exactly what you said. You can also put the extra ~$100 that you saved toward a dock (any will work fine), protective shell, and a screen protector.
EDIT: Replaced the mention of a "case" with "protective shell".
I replaced my 512gb SSD with 1tb.. didn't want to dual boot on such a tiny SSD.
I'll probably attach the old SSD to the dock with an enclosure
@@shinaikouka Don't they already come with a case?
@@leonro they mean a protection case. like the protection that goes on your phone.
@@leonro Yes, my apologies... I meant something more like a shell. So, that's really only if you're worried about on-the-go protection. Although, while I had a reservation for dbrand's Project Killswitch, when I read that it doesn't work with Steam's Deck Dock, I cancelled the reservation. So, you may have issues using an official dock and any sort of protective measure. You can always use other docks though. I used an Anker USB hub meant for laptops prior to getting the Valve version.
to be honest, the best part of the steam deck is its little bonuses that come with gaming mode. the fact that you can just put it on sleep mode and then turn it on and be right where you left off is incredible. you can also play multiple games at the same time. you can access anything while on gaming mode. and its got plug in loaders like steam decky to further upgrade your experience on the deck.
When my GPU died, i went excusively on my steam deck for my daily computer processes. It's been a journey. From buying the 64GB model to upgrading it to 512GB for $50. Reflashing the OS. To daily driving linux and tinkering with the OS to making it my liking. I will admit, I've missed some windows processes, but with Wine and Proton, I've hardly missed a beat. The Steam Deck w/ a dock is hands down one of the best experiences I've had. Its cheap, works, (There are some work arounds), and I'm learning Linux along the way. Anyone into learning new experiences and have a small budget, and some tech knowledge. I recommend using a steam deck as your daily driver. Whether you buy the 64GB and upgrade like I did for $450 total or buy the 512GB for $700. Its worth every penny.
I supported the Steam Deck because of the potential it had in pushing Linux into the mainstream. I've never been a fan of Linux, but I've always loved the principles behind it. Computing for the people by the people. Open source. Real privacy. I love my steam deck, but I love SteamOS more. A byproduct of Valve's success might actually be a true shift away from Windows for many users. I'll buy every iteration of the steam deck moving forward if it means SteamOS becomes truly competitive. I want to see it as an option in the OS drop down menu when mom goes to buy little Timmy a dell laptop, right next to Windows and Ubuntu.
If you want to try linux just put it on an old laptop or desktop
indeed. i'm a PC builder for decades but I comparing it to anything else at the strict budget makes others lame. While the CPU is weaker vs the larger TDPs, a little patience sorts that out. too bad for me, I already bought an Intel 12th Gen that will last me years. A Steam deck might not be an option unless I need laptop for travel
I picked up the steam deck initially because of the price and for it's parts availability. Aya, GPDwin, and the others don't really give you the option to make repairs like valve does with ifixit parts. Afterwards it became a solid choice heading into winter. We get windstorms that just kill power for hours during the winter time. My initial thought was to use an apc power backup to power the steam deck, modem and router. I already have the apc backup for my desktop but with the steam deck it would last much longer than the 20 minutes on my desktop. I could even just have it running the router and modem. Now though I'm somewhat tempted to get a jackery for extended use.
@@diamondarrow4567 you really need to force yourself to use it as a daily driver to actually try it. Or have it on a device that greatly benefits from using it, like the steam deck.
My steam deck journey showed me how I'm still right about a lot of my grievances with linux, mainly stability and learning curve, but also that I was wrong on many accounts.
Valve is putting a lot of effort into SteamOS and it shows. Having ONE platform shared by everyone is an incredible boost to the helpfulness of forum advice.
I'm actually considering installing SteamOS on my main rig now, to try out the performance and really see the drawbacks.
The Steam Deck really is an impressive piece of engineering
When compared with the other devices with the Intel i7 1260p and Thunderbolt.... not really. I do like the repairability though.
@@jaywhite15_AL $400 tho
Well we had the psp 15 years ago but maybe it's not the same
We live in a really privileged time for insane price to performance buys. It'll probably cost you about 20 bucks nowadays to get pizza delivery, so for the price of 20 pizza deliveries you can get the steam deck, the mavic mini 2 which is a literal portable flying helicopter that shoots 4k video, or a xiaomi note 12 pro+ which goes head to head with even recent flagship phones. We are basically surrounded by insane feats of engineering.
Yep it really is. I would love to see this same thing but someone try to make a better portable pc..
As somebody that games on Deck on his daily commute I can concur that it is a great device to game on in public transit.
I'm thinking about maybe getting this cool thing, but, as an introverted person... the rest is common sense
@@wisenotwise2676 I'm an introverted person too and I think it's perfect for me.
I like to see this game build a steam deck for under $600 lol
honestly im torn between steam deck and the ayn loki mini pro with the i3 upgrade AND the 16gb ram upgrade. slightly cheaper, windows 10 out the box and id mainly use it for like 2005 nfsmw and ps2 era emu/games on pc
the steam deck seems a bit big and bulky not to mention a bit of optimization issues for the whole linux situation considering i have like 1400 steam games
You should make a build that matches the steam deck on performance and see what price you get.
it's so obvious we can build a pc which is giving us 30 fps in ultra settings of FH5 under than 350 dollars
@@Santiago_Vidsrlly?
Really 😂
Steam deck on AAA games can do almost 30fps on 720p with fsr on ,
The Steam deck price 500+$
A pc with that performance only gonna cost you 130$ 😂😂😂
@@iikon01 wtf r u talking about my steamdeck can run
red dead redemption 2 on medium to high graphics at around 40-50fps, and it only cost me 400dollars +an 8 dollar micro sd card, please stop spreading missinformation on the internet,p.s. and cyberpunk on high settings at a locked 30 frames per second Oh and btw check the difintion of AAA games, a AAA game is assasins creed black flag(my steamdeck can run it at around 60 or more fps at max settings) or idk any older or newer game released by a big corporation , plenty of AAA games are old and dont need a good pc to play
@Slayer - red dead ? Cyberpunk?
Really?
Try and run the last of us part 1 and get more than 30 fps on 720p I dare you
Try hogwarts legacy !
Even on 720p it's struggling bro !
With 500$ the 64gb steam deck price you can build an rx 6600 pc !
Do u understand what is rx 6600?
It's 15 time stronger than steam deck
the 1070 is such a fantastic little card. It will be one of those immortal cards that just keeps giving.Really the 1070 and 1080 are just superb
They will be fine until raytracing becomes a standard setting in games, which is actually sooner than you think.
@@zxbc1 Who cares? Literally the ONLY game I ever saw where ray-tracing actually made a huge difference was Minecraft. Now, admittedly, it does look SUPER good in Minecraft and even goes so far as to change the game a little bit, but regardless, one game is just not enough to justify shelling out extra cash for ray-tracing cores.
Now, if you were talking about Blender workloads, NOW you might have a point, but even then, my Titan Xp still does a DAMN good job with it, especially considering it has zero RT cores, and it's MORE than enough for the average artist or even perhaps a professional artist. Pascal, especially at its height, was just that fucking good. Only enterprise customers are actually going to care about the rendering time differences between a card with RT cores, and a card without them. But they're just going to buy Quadro A6000s in bulk anyway.
Perhaps Pascal's one big weakness is in compute since it's FP16 for AI workloads is pretty bad since it has no Tensor cores, and its FP64 performance for simulation work is just as bad as well. Or at least on certain Pascal cards anyway funnily enough, though to be quite fair, the Quadro GP100 is, even today, not cheap whatsoever.
@@arnox4554 Here’s 20 games where RT makes a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE: Cp2077, Control, Ghostrunner, Gw tokyo, Minecraft, Ascent, Metro, Spider-Man, SM Miles, RE 7, RE 2, RE village, DL 2, GOTG, Doom Eternal, quake rtx, WD legion, Icarus, Hitman3, FH5 and many more like Witcher 3/Elden ring/Plague tale to come. Had it been 2019/20 then you might have a point but it’s just copium to dismiss Rt in 2022
@@Drip7914 All you listed was 20 games that have ray-tracing, and I already pointed out Minecraft so it's more like 19. Regardless, watch the video LTT did on whether ray-tracing is actually noticeable or not.
@@arnox4554 I listed 20 games that use Rt REFLECTIONS which linuses video didn’t focus on. I’m not denying Rt shadows aren’t difficult to spot but generally Reflections are the “WOW” factor. Swap Minecraft for BfV 🥱 next argument
Laptop GTX 1660 Ti is underrated, performs closely to the RTX 3050 Ti but with more VRAM, just no DLSS.
Totally agree. My 1660ti laptop lasted way longer than I expected it to.
Who u
yo jarrods tech.
Just get a ryzen 4070
It is nice seeing both of my daily drivers (Steam Deck and GTX 1070) go head to head against each other here.
Funnily enough, same. lol
Pascal Founder's Edition looks so sexy. And was such an awesome card to boot too. Plus the cards had a fair few other advantages. Even after I retire my current PC, I'm still gonna keep my Titan Xp. I swear to hell, even without ray-tracing cores, this thing SCREAMS in Blender. And I haven't even bothered overclocking it yet.
I came down here to comment this exact thing- really put into perspective the power of my “main” rig
Same here, but 1060
same, with my Zotac 1070 Mini, fan-modded Linus-style
I know this video is 5 months old, but I was able to use the steam deck for my full workstation. I used VSCode, Git, all the other tools. Also, I output to 2x 49” 5120x1440 monitors, performance was still good. Valve released updates to both the steam deck and the dock all the time and within the past 5 months, other than the bug that I reported on the HDMI output has an overlay issue at 3840 line when DP is plugged in, many issues were fixed and even ran so much better than before.
2 Months passed how was your experience so far?
Am about to buy a steam deck maybe next month for the low low price of 450$ or less to play terraria specifically and be able to try different games at low settings
@@crefoo1166 I actually bought an Aokzoe A1 Pro. 7840U with 32GB ram, 1TB NVMe, 8” screen, much larger size of battery, built-in kickstand, the best is that it comes with USB 4 port so I could connect to my eGPU and bottom USB-C 3.2 I connect with my thunderbolt hub.
@@hksduhksdu Do you run the A1 Pro with Windows or did you install SteamOS ?
I want a Windows handheld and I was thinking of buying the Lenovo Legion Go when we get more legitimate reviews because Steam on handheld is pissing me off (console-like devices should have a plug and play experience). Playnite is a great frontend for windows handheld.
@@charlesm.2604 I run windows because I don’t wanna do dual boot just to play Fortnite, warzone, and League of Legend. I use it for work most of the time so it’s fine. I grew up with mouse and keyboard so I am still picking up the comfort of using controller by playing single player games like Yakuza and Marvel’s Avengers. I play multiplayer FPS games like Titanfall 2 defence frontier on it too. I am actually waiting to see if Lenovo will offer a 32GB Ram model soon after launching, if they do, I will sell my A1 Pro and buy Legion Go because I really like their design, especially the detachable controllers used in FPS mode. Once I tried 32GB Ram on my A1 Pro, I don’t wanna go back to 16GB, not enough for me.
@@charlesm.2604 idk I've heard most of the Windows handhelds run really bad. I have a Steam Deck and SteamOS runs great. I've not tried dual booting Windows though.
I'm honestly most impressed by the laptop. Finding an actual gaming laptop with a 1660 at 500 is unexpected
not really plenty of 3050s and 3050 tis at 500
@@revenant7276 which models
@@revenant7276 wow! Send links please
@@revenant7276 where are you finding these though?
correction they cost 763$ on amazon
The steam deck is the first new hardware in a long time that has me excited to use it.
I felt the same when I realize I can do everything the steam deck can does with the phone I already own.
I already got on and my time in publix transport has gotten so much more fun :) playing Super Mario Sunshine on the Deck no issues
@@lasarousi can you run PC games on your phone
@@epepepe7178 I can play PC games through my phone yes, without worrying about overheating, I do have to worry about a stable internet connection but like I said, any LTE can do 1440 30fps.
But having my entire steam library and not just the Linux enabled games is so much better too.
@@notjustforhackers4252 I was referring to the library that already supports Linux, not the wrapper.
In theory you can just run native Linux apps on the deck right? Yeah that
proton is actually a plus of the deck and the reason why it's marketed as gaming handheld and not a portable.
Building a computer from used parts is one of my favorite activities.
I love to look into its soul and watch how the previous owners traumatized their parts ☺️
it's actually a good business also in my country as the price of everything brand new when it comes to computers are too much.. just build a gaming pc with used parts and sell them for profit.. hobby to money.. win/win
Did you try having fun with second hand Intel Xeons 😁
Currently the used market is priced roughly around what I'd expect to pay for new parts and the new market is priced roughly what I'd expect to pay if I wanted to buy from scalpers.
it's a way of life.
The Deck is excellent. I use the official dock with my TV and the experience is very close to being console level. The biggest hurdles to a console like experience are the lack of HDMI CEC, and inability to wake it up via a Bluetooth gamepad. That said, I can't think of another first generation device I've owned that was as good as the Deck is.
I have great news for you friend. With the OLED version they've added wake on bluetooth function. I don't think they added cec or my TV doesn't support it.
My favorite videos are when you target prices and objectives and give us sound buying tips. Truth is that tech adoption and tips are going to be more closely tied to what we can afford than “what can this thing do”.
in that case, this was not a fair competition as always but a paid ad. Like seriuosly he spent $110 on GTX 1070 when he could have had a newer more comperative gpu for same price (RX 5700XTX), he chose i3, when he could have chosen the 5600X and let not mention the sata SSD.
@@Tr3xShad $110 for a 1070 is an amazing price they usually go for 150 at least and the 5700xtx is 200, the 5600x is 160 vs 100 and the sata ssd is actually insanely good value for only $16 like wtf are you on about do you just not understand the point of the video or smth so basically what you're saying is "if you just spent $300 over your budget you could get more fps hurr"
@@Tr3xShad Especially when he then came back to the Steam Deck and had to purchase another $200 worth of kit for it to be comparable...... Definitely a completely half arsed comparison... errrr.... add for the steam deck.
"Yeah, the Steam Deck is the best of all of this. It is 40% more expensive and delivers only about 60% of the performance but it's still better"....?
@@squidwardo7074 Hmmmm I thought you guys were cheaper but it seems price are returning back to normal in London. I got my 5600X for £121 and £150 For my 5700XTX 3 weeks ago and I expect further discount now due to black Friday. There are many devices with prices more or closer to newer more powerful hardware. It's always been that way and the inflation caused by mining and lockdown is over. My mate got an RX 580 8gb for £60, while other sells it for £120 - £150. Again this wasn't a fair comparison and a tech channel and team should be able to find better prices.
@@squidwardo7074 Oh and the satta SSD, just add another £15 and you will get yourself and nvme. Remember second hand wasn't a issue. Except you can't think for yourself, but you can build a faster machine for the same money or less. I know this, because I do this for a living (IT technician) and way before papa Linus started his customer assistant role in IT, even though we are age group. Any nobody with 2 sense would see this was to justify and prep up the steam deck but the deck isn't a replacement or design to compete with your pc. It meant to compliment it, so it all ended flat on his face with the Linux desktop as he could do or use it for anything else except slow web browsing but don't take my word on this, take Linus' word or watch his Linux video, and yet still he's here predicting that the steam deck can replace your pc. Let him try use the deck as his delay driver and get back to us or try editing videos. I'll suggest he goes back to his old format of advertising, making shorts quick buck video just for advertisement is taking the shine of the channel. And I'm pretty sure my old OC fm4 apu, crossfire with rx 480 4g will beat what Linus built. One question though, did he tell you what resolution he was running the PC on, was it 900p? Lol
The deck got the dock more right than most laptops
it's better then Nintendo's Dock no screen scratches to worry about with this one.
@@silverlinegaming3933 yeah the “awkward” charging port on it actually works out better overall
@@skypfo734 I wish they'd gone for double USB ports like some gaming phones and the aya neo handhelds do, but on the whole I think the top USB port is more my jam.
@@estherstreet4582 Deck really should have had a second USB-C port on the bottom
My deck dock works really badly with my TV. Sometimes static, sometimes blank screen, sometimes it works. I bought a much cheaper one which works far better for me.
Linus, this is such perfect timing! Great work and thank you for helping me justify my gift decision for my son!
Best gift ever
damn what a nice father gifting his son a pc or a steam deck
You're giving a child a Steam Deck? Better make it absolutely clear what its worth is or it won't last long.
the steam deck is the greatest thing to happen in gaming since the genesis. he'll love it
ohhhh that boy is lucky
I’ve had my deck for almost a week now and love it so far. Honestly have not done much modern day gaming but I’ve been doing a lot of portable GameCube and some 360 emulation and been great
Actually,I am about ordering one myself but still how future proof is it? Say for next 5-10 years?
@@prakashm1468 while the most popular GPU on steam is still GTX 1060/1650, developers will continue to optimize games for low-end
@@prakashm1468 doubtful. It'll play a lot of future titles in the next couple of years and you get a back catalogue of retro games up to around the ps2 era. Most modern games to date work great also. Couple that with the portability and i think thats a good investment.
same. I'm actually playing games that I haven't touched yet, hahaha. I think its the laying on couch factor that allows me to enjoy some of the games in my library
360 and PS3 emulation I's working great too, saw somebody play raging blast perfectly
I still remember selling my GTX 1070 for 270€ not even a year ago... crazy how quickly times have changed
I just got a 1070 for $80 this week. Definitely glad to have held out with an APU during the mining craze.
I'm still running my 1070. Might be going for a 7800xt next year
@@capsulate8642 awesome
here a 1070 still is 160eur
@@capsulate8642 bro u wanna buy one for me and send it over? here in germany, prices are outrageous..
Keep in mind that a lot of people have a work laptop (and sometimes a monitor) which they can use for anything but gaming. Steam deck compliments them well
Exactly what I did. Plus the emulation on Steam deck is so comfortable, never ever seen emulation done as good as Emudeck. Even my girlfriend loves it and she doesnt even like games other than Mario Party or Sims. Might even get her a deck for Christmas or something.
Also if you have a work laptop and monotor, good chance you have a dock as well
So does a ds
Especially since you can just get a generic USB-C dock (Anker 565 in my case, wanted that Display Port), build yourself a nice Steam Deck holder out of some cardboard and swap between laptop and steamdeck even on your desk.
@@gaboversta2.423 I just got a case with a built in stand but basically same setup
Those older dell laptops with real GPUs in them are a GREAT value. Bought the one with the desktop chip 1050 for my girlfriend, put an SSD in there and it's been great for a long time. Battery pillowed up, and the 150watt power brick is not very common, but it's been a great daily for home use. When we upgrade I'm going to de-case it and turn it into a media center/Emulation box.
Meanwhile, Valve: we built a handheld gaming PC for less than the price of most desktops and laptops
That for a bit of extra cash can be easily transformed into a fully fledged gaming desktop.
Everyone knows for a few bucks more you can get a full desktop.. but it wouldn't be portable man.. and that's the point of the deck.
Gaben said that the price point was "painful", so I assume they sell these at some sort of a loss in an effort to get more people onto the steam platform.
@@PhantomTissue My only issue with Steam Deck is that they for some ungodly reason decided to make the system run on Linux. Linux has no support for any 3rd party stuff, and half of my STEAM GAMES are unplayable because the OS isn't compatible with the game's anti cheat.
@@KarpetBurn looks like you mostly play shooters and multiplayer then.. there is a section of the gaming community that does mostly single player games. The point of Linux is for the deck to have a less demanding requirement to run an OS. If it run windows, a % of it's processor would go towards windows and the rest towards gaming. Trying to fit a modern cpu in a handheld at that price point is just not possible. That's why they chose Linux.. which btw is a good OS.
0:32 4:47 6:20 jackery is definitely getting their money's worth with all these excellent segues
Not taking into account the ads already added by TH-cam....30 percent of the video is almost just ads
Am I the only one to find it a weird sponsor choice? "let's build a super budget friendly $600 pc and hook it up to a mobile power station starting at over 2k!"
@@OutsideDuhBox and TH-cam ad revenue will be a miniscule amount compared to their sponsor.
Not to mention they have no control over them (I didn't even get any ads this time around on the Android app)
@@stephen9894 yes. And of course, unfortunately, LTT has become LMTG, a company, a business. And a business end goal is to MAKE money in as little time and effort possible. To a moderation of course
Midroll segue by linus is not common, jackery paid pretty penny here.
My personal experience was that I got the $399 deck and a Sandisk extreme pro 256gb for $25 on Amazon. Quite a big difference in price. Oh and a copy of the steam dock for another $25 which is perfect. And oddly enough I can run games on my full hd tv an Max and it looks insane. That’s been my experience. No regrets 😁
Yeah, I found it weird that Linus didn't even consider that option lmao.
The switch is LEAGUES ahead of the steam deck 😂😂😂💪🏼
😂
Full HD? As in, 1080p on max settings? I was under the impression that the Deck can't really do more than 720p on medium for modern games.
can you play non steam games? can you play pirated games? 40-60$ for a single game is quite the money when you are very budget focused. Can you play competitive FPS games on it. I know pirating is bad and I don't do it anymore since I got stable income, but when the only person that could buy me games was my mom and we were very poor thing were different.
I picked up the Steam Deck Dock recently and I love it. Not only because it allows me to hook up the Deck to my monitor, but also because of the USC-C I can use it to connect my work laptop too. It's also priced very competitively when compared to other USB-C adapters
What do you connect it to your work laptop for? (just curious)
@@eric-. peeeeeee-rating games
@@eric-. I think they mean they hook the dock into their work laptop, presumably to get use of the second monitor and peripherals
Considering a few cables are half the price it is not competiive
Yeah buy $650 to game on 720p like seriously no HDR or ray tracing.? I'll stick with my ps5 4k 60fps and has both HDR and ray tracing. For $400
The deck is one of the best purchases I ever made. It's been a year and I can't get over how awesome it feels and how well it plays... well... everything. From desktop, to console games. I even use it more often than my switch to play switch games. I also tripple boot with ubuntu and windows included just for shits and giggles. With 1TB storage there are no limits.
One thing that I remember testing on the Steam Deck was the 120Hz refresh rate support when docked. Overwatch 2 at low/medium settings + DRS, and Tony Hawk 1+2 both played comfortably near 120FPS on the Deck, and a lot of indie games, older games, and rhythm games comfortably hit that target too. The software stack on the Steam Deck is actually really good enough for me to justify putting together an ITX rig with a spare 6700XT that I have lying around, and then installing SteamOS or HoloISO on it. Feels like HTPCs hooked up to TVs have been substandard until Valve finally released a tenfoot UI that doesn't suck (Playnite, Kodi's game section, Pegasus, Launchbox, and several others have a whole host of problems, and their UI is nowhere nearly as tightly integrated as a game console, especially on Windows), system updates aren't completely forced on you (Making the time it takes to get in-game after dealing with that and driver updates far longer), and I'd actually argue with the scaling options and gamescope, it's far easier to get games working with custom resolutions and integer scaling compared to Windows.
The Steam Deck and SteamOS just needs a VRR toggle (Which is reportedly coming, as support has been merged in Gamescope), and HDR support when docked, and then it will be a perfectly viable option if you don't care about the five or six multiplayer games without Proton support (R6S, Fortnite, Rust, Destiny 2, Halo MCC, and Call of Duty comes to mind).
7:36 trying to use a mouse on an uneven surface like a couch cushion or a younger sibling. 🤣
15:17 -- That's what I tell all the ladies...
😏
A $250 backpack and you're saying that steam is steep 🤣
And an $80 screwdriver
@@Crowcaww Project Farm did a review on it. It's actually a good rachet screwdriver.
@matthewthompson7012 good tech backpacks can get you to that 250 price point too
maybe it'd be worth mentioning you can use any old generic usb-c hdmi hub? They can be gotten for like 20$
Most of them are actually a generic usb graphic card that may not work properly with linux. I had a dock that uses same gpu as dell's docks and with Arch-based KDE on xorg it was not usable. Yes, it kind of worked but because of frame rate mismatch and other problems it started tearing and lost responsiveness. If the monitor in dock was the only output it dropped xorg's frame rate to 1fps.
DisplayPort hubs usually don't have this problem because DP is driven by the computer. HDMI is driven by the hub and sometimes cause problems.
@@TomeczekH Are they? In my experience the ones that act as a graphics card (like displaylink ones) are more expensive. You notice this when you try to plug in more than 4 monitors to a laptop.
I would have loved to see this as a scrapyard wars where Luke or Linus just buys a second hand Aya Neo or Steam Deck and tries to wipe the floor with the other.
Oh I miss junkyard wars between Linus and Luke... I really hope they do a similar video/series after the black Friday for people who want something ultra-cheap.
idk how you've remembered scrapyard wars as junkyard wars, maybe because its been a long minute since...
@@GrandTheftHollow oh damn. I didn't realize too 😂
It's been a long while indeed 🥲
@@GrandTheftHollow It has definitely been a long minute. I didn't even think to double check because I 100% thought I remembered the name correctly lol
oh man i miss scrapyard wars so much
Technically this should be tested against using using the Steam Deck UI (the one that's replacing Big Picture Mode) using the Steam Controller vs the Steam Deck entirely.
Hmmmm....Steak Deck...
Interesting how Linus gives more respect to proper Windows license than to younger siblings XD
Steamdeck was a great way for me to at least begin PC gaming. It's gonna hold me over until I buy all the parts for my dream PC. Plan on building it myself.even when it's done I'll still use the steamdeck as my best emulation device, and some games that are great for playing while traveling
With the crazy GPU prices I'm considering skipping my new PC build and instead go with a steam deck.
@@I.C.Weiner just get rtx 3xxx, you dont have to get 4xxx
@@Wilqu5677 Why go nvidia when amd offeres better price to performance.
@@I.C.Weiner I don't plan on getting anything super expensive. Unless it's a last resort and I find it worth it. I don't plan on switching parts or anything for a long time anyways. As much as I'd love a 4080 or whatever. I can make due with a 3080 or even a slightly worse one until then.
@@Freakmaster480 price to performance =/= platform features, and nvidia has far better features
F1 2022 is actually working great on the Deck now, I've been playing it and it's pretty cool playing on the Deck, I actually had the game already set aside on Playstation after only a few hours of play, but on PC and on the Steam Deck the game seems better to play. I also really like having the option to switch between the desktop and the Deck
yeah you probably see nothing on that 720p
@@MrPaxio 800p*
@@Viesta wooowww..... is that like gameboy resolution then?
@@MrPaxio gameboy is 160x144
@@MrPaxio mate you watching this video on 480p lol
I would’ve appreciated that you mentioned the MicroSD capabilities of the Steam Deck as a “cheap” way to expand your storage without needing to open your Steam Deck, as you can for example buy multiple good 256GB cards for not much and carry different games on them and interchange them like cartridges, if you want to expend more to have more games with you 512GB already have accesible prices in my opinion (there are also 1TB options, but the prices there are exponentially higher)
Especially since micro sd cards are one of the most discounted items during Black Friday
Yeah, steam deck clearly wins if they actually do it fairly. The 400 dollar steam deck is just as capable, and the SD reader is almost as fast as the on-board nvme storage, making the 256gb model a huge waste of money on this "budget" gaming setup lol they couldn't find a computer that could match the 400 dollar steam deck with a 50 dollar SD card, so they went up to a worse deal to even it out
Thanks for the info, thats very interesting.
Eny Tower computer have a way to expend the storege in tower computer you by able to buy 1gb around 60 to 70 box also you able to buying a SD or micro SD flash drive or even to or to add some form off explain slot that contains SD cards slot
In few words tower computer it's just better for storage for the steam Deck
As for the laptop the multiple laptop that you able to Chenge the internet storege but shady not every have this opinion and ther is some laptop that has SD slot by default as well and some laptop have extra nvme slot ect
@@watercat1248 man idk what you did exactly but this is hard to read - did google translate failed miserably?
Been using the deck for work for almost a year. You can do multiple system on it by simply switch your portable SSD with system build in. Work just fine with basic PS AI and other video editing software. The customization is great. I can just take it off the dock and use it for gaming or as small pad. Or I can dock it to use it as a PC for both gaming and working.
Man Linus is really man handling the stuff in this video. That poor PC got slammed down so many times.
My steam deck w/ a dock/KVM has almost replaced my gaming PC. If I'm just browsing the web/youtube or playing a lighter game I'm using that instead of powering up my full gaming PC. I only use the full PC when I want to play a AAA game on the full size screen.
It started as a way to cut down on the heat generated in my house this past summer so I could used the A/C less and now with the price of energy skyrocketing it's still helping me keep the bills down this winter. I love this thing so much.
In winter, that heat is a side benefit, tho.
@@drackar It is for when it's actually needed to be running but, let's be honest; There's no way heating my house by running my PC when it's not in use (or just being used to browse the internet) is more efficient than just letting my actual heating system do it.
Plus, it only really heats the room the PC is in. Meaning it just ends up being hot in that one room instead of actually heating your home evenly.
@@cmac3530 depends on your heating system. The heat output of a PC in use is just as effective as an electric space heater.
@@drackar Exactly, "In Use". I said running it when it would not normally be needed. (i.e. at idle state) Obviously when I'm using it for a stressful application it needs to be on anyway so I might as well use the heat it produces but, otherwise I'll let my actual home heating system do it.
And like I stated before. Just like a space heater it only heats one room. Maybe you're different but, to me, as a person that runs hot as it is, that is undesirable.
I think since you went used on the two pcs, it would have been more fair to go with the $399 steam deck with a SSD swap for like $30 and the jsaux dock for $39.99, then the steam deck has all the same compatibility, plus it's only about $470 total, plus as far as compatibility you can boot windows on a SD card and get a windows key for like $10.
Yes, but still, less than half the FPS for the same price. And you stuck with a small and low res screen or you can play at 1280x720 resolution on a 22inch monitor. And this is just now. After two or three years you can upgrade that 1070 and continue playing, but the deck will be a useless e-waste.
@@AdamHKatona A useless e-waste? That's definitely an over-statement. Especially in "2-3 years". Maybe it won't be able to handle the latest AAA games in that time, but it will still be able to emulate consoles from PS3 back, play nearly endless indie games, and play many AAA games with settings turned down.
To be clear, I am not saying that the 1070 isn't a better investment. I am just saying that the Steam Deck will only be e-waste if the wrong person buys it. I'll rock mine until it dies. Then, I will most likely fix it.
@@AdamHKatona It's still a handheld ya know. I've played far more games on my deck than I have on my PC even with issues just because I have a more relaxed way to play
@@AdamHKatona I use mine for steam link, enjoy playing on it more than my gaming PC as it is portable but play everything at max
@@AdamHKatona certainly not as if Steam doesn't release a humble bundle with games that can practically be played on a 950 GTX even still.
as a mom who likes to game ive been debating on a laptop or a steam deck since sitting down at a desk is pretty much out of the picture for me, so this came onto my feed at just the right time! thanks linus!
If you haven't made a decision already, I'd highly recommend a Steam Deck or RoG Ally for that style of play!
From my experience, it's just much more convenient and 'ergonomic' a setup if you're not using desks.
Also the big boost of having quick and easier access to its full capabilities while travelling or switching between rooms and locations is a nice bonus!
Buy laptop
@@MeiPeacheswhy
I just got my steam deck 3 days ago and I gotta say it's perfect for everything I need. Just got a cheap usb-c dongle to plug in my monitor and use my bluetooth keyboard and mouse. The portability factor is great and it plays all of my games at 1080p 60. For my daily use there's nothing in this price point with as many of my boxes checked. After seeing the comperable hardware in this price point I'm even happier with my purchase.
The best part of this video is how the Steam Deck won out in the end. Love mine, and love seeing Linus give it due credit! Seriously one of the top pieces of kit I've picked up this year. Thanks, Valve! =)
I challenged myself to run the steamdeck as my daily computer for a whole month and the only thing I had problems with was running niche programs made back in 2013 I had used for some of my programming projects.
I actually really enjoyed using it, it was amazing, I had small issues. Mostly yuzu emulation I had problems with, I think the FSR injected into the graphics system for the emulation and caused a lot of shader issues on a few small titles I had wanted to play, works fine on my PC, but the steamdeck was just absolutely not having it.
After following difficult to understand guides on how to install things like league of legends, it...ran amazing! I played runescape, league, space engineers, terraria, phantasy star online 2 (which took a lot of effort to work), they all did it's job!!
I think it's like...a step forward but a step backwards, it gives you a GREAT computer for it's size, but we're going back in terms of user experience, it reminds me of windows XP, or even windows 98 where there were things you had to manually do to get software/hardware to even function, like signing your USB devices, or manually assigning a DHCP address because your router didn't do it. It's kinda like those small annoyances but in a different flavour.
Other TH-camrs - Shit i am out of content . i don't have any ideas .
Linus :- I am gonna build a pc for the nth time
I like how you just go through the options, show them all, point out few key details, than make small conclusion but every viewer can make their conclusion themselves as it fits their needs and abilities. Great!
im quite suprised by how powerful the steamdeck is.
i run mine as a Emulation machine and it does it suprisingly well, even with the overhead from Emulation.
I’m thinking of doing the same. What storage size did you buy? I heard that some apps don’t only download to the SD card and was curious on if the 64gb was enough
@@aaronwilliams4151 i did went for the 512GB version, but i run my ROMs mostly on a 512GB SD card, so the 64GB version should work
My primary use of my Steamdeck is with it's dock on my lunch break at work. Plus it's a great option for streaming binge shows in desktop mode. Well worth every $ so far.
I paid Valve 400€ for Steam Deck in Finland. Also I paid 400€ for nVidia RTX 3060 non-ti, and it was by far the best value GPU you could get.
I'd say Steam Deck value for money is simply unbeatable.
2 things about the PC.
1) you can easily game on 1060 6GB without issues which is cheaper than 1070 and you can buy faster SSD even though SATA SSD is still plenty fast for a lot of people.
2) Since steamdeck is running Steam OS you can install linux distro on the PC(POP OS maybe Steam OS in time) and you'll get same compatibility as with Steam Deck and you still can do most of the basic tasks on that PC.
@@randommcranderson5155 To get the advantages of Linux
I actually have that Dell G15 laptop you showed, with slightly better specs. Been using it for about 2 - 3 years and it's still great. I do art, design, animation, editing and compositing and a lot of gaming and it's served me well. Had it for the majority of my animation degree so it's been through a lot. Love it.
As someone who liked his G15 5500 so much he bought some for his kids, I love seeing it in this video. It's a fun laptop and I think it will serve us all for some years no issue
Same here, using Dell G15 5515. It's great and it has not giving me much issue since I bought it (only some graphical glitches due to an issue with GFX sometimes but that's as far as it bothers me). My Steam Deck arrives tomorrow and I can't wait to have it as a secondary gaming machine, where I live we have a lot of power outages so having my laptop on is not a good idea, here's where the Steam Deck works for me.
I used to run an older model with a 1060 and 8th gen quadcore. Beastly laptop, thin, had thunderbolt, and was super upgradable. I upgraded the RAM and SATA drive, added an NVMe drive, and repasted the CPU/GPU a few times without a sweat. For all the crap Dell gets, their computers have been great for me.
@@capsulate8642 I work in IT and dell usually has the best laptops of the big OEMs in terms of reliability atleast.
G5 15*
the G15 is another model
The big thing is that Valve guarantees it's price in every single region and in the case of my country (Czech Republic) they even eat up the 21% VAT to ensure the same price. Building the mentioned PC in Europe is pretty much impossible with the prices here.
Valve must be taking a pretty deep loss on the $400 model if they cover VAT too, that's nuts.
Yeah here in South Africa we also got that high VAT tax, shts for mostly everywhere it seems
HOLY SHIT 21%VAT, hace you consider arming your population to take back your freedom?
@@capsulate8642 almost all current console hardware is sold on a loss or breakeven with the expectation that the game/subscription money will more than make up for it. Steam takes a 30% cut on all steam transactions so they can more than make up for that.
@@thelakeman2538 Yeah, but considering it can also run Windows/Linux and most buyers probably already have Steam libraries built up, it's a bold move.
I'd probably just run windows and play non-steam games most of the time if I had one.
We can read books on the go since centuries. We can listen to music on the go since decades. We can watch movies on the go since years. Now, it is time that we can play games on the go with equally little compromises.
I hope the Steam Deck 2 will become an even bigger success. To such an degree, that it really kickstarts an entire market with huge demand for these handhelds.
Keyword for the console fanboys, "EQUALLY LITTLE COMPROMISES"
We know the PSP, Vita, DS family and Switch are fun machines, but they dwarf compared to these handhelds both functionally and performance wise
I think the big spark is not their 2nd version of the hardware, but the proliferation of more Proton and making Steam OS distro readily available. A lot of people are asking the question "Deck Verified?" to devs more and more and they're noticing.
@@bpdcraft for the sake of consistency I also want SteamOS released for non-Deck pcs since I realized it's Arch based and I have little by little learning how that works, so if I were to use an Arch based distro, might as well keep the same distro as the Deck, cause 99% of what I do on one should then work on the other
@@OfficialDJSoru -you can already download steam os for anything-
EDIT: no you can't, at least not the arch version directly from valve, i thought HoloISO was official.
@@a.lollipop last I checked it was not the arch based version though. If the one I'm mentioning did finally come out how long has it been out?
Watch Valve have a fix for the keyboard login here in a few days. They have been pushing update after update since this launched, and it's amazing. I also noticed you didn't mention that the Dock is not the only option, as just about any usb-c hub works shockingly well.
Be very careful with "just about any usb-c hub".... Any of them that use DisplayLink will not work. You need a dock that uses DP-alt-mode otherwise the steam deck will not be able to use the attached screen. Most cheap docks use DisplayLink.
Bought one from Walmart for 20 bucks and it's been fantastic
2:36 Looks like I found a new notification ringtone for me.
That SSD! Could’ve had a 512 gig team group nvme PCI 3 x 4, for only $31. Totally worth the extra 15.
@@singular9 wait 2nd gen CPU?? That is horrible
Have had my steam deck since July and I don't regret buying it one bit. I did try to use it as a desktop for a while but it's really not powerful enough for 1080p gaming so I built a new gaming PC, but if you're okay with 720p, it is pretty cool to be able to have such a small computer that you can take anywhere and use as your daily PC.
For the record, LTT backpack does fit the FormD T1 almost perfectly! Will make flying home to see the boys for LAN parties doable! 😁
I'd argue that at 450 bucks the Steam Deck base model, plus an SD card wins out heavily in value
Yeah that's what many people do buying a steamdeck, idk why Linus just dismissed it at the start saying no one buys it...
Impossible to compete + emmc storage is not the fastest. SD card is relative of course
The SD card reader is slow as butts. I would not want to load all my AAA games off of it.
loading a AAA game off an sd card in the steam deck would be like trying to play mozart on a kazoo....it may work eventually but the time wasted and experience had will not be a good one.
@@kingofthenerds4708 incorrect. It's not crazy fast but I just played God Of War on it and life was good.
I got a steam deck because my new job has a lot of down time, its completely worth its price and it runs really well.
you can also use steam deck as a PC if you boot into the KDE environment.
I've been using my deck that way. I've never touched a linux before but the out-of-the-box KDE environment is pretty straightforward.
@@estherstreet4582 kde is a rather similar de to windows, there is also linux mint for that but im a kde man.
Amazing Video, Good Job👍
I essentially do the same with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon gen 8, and an Aorus Gaming Box with a Gtx 1660s, works really well for all my games.
I own one and have a Jsaux dock. I use it as my primary gaming machine. New World is playing near 60 outside cities and 45+ in cities. I've played in wars, pvp and large pve battles. It's super good. Great purchase!
I love how he completely dismisses the idea of putting a controller in the laptop bag as if a controller weighs 50lbs or something. :D
The problems with "eBay specials" are the very local prices, very platform specific buyers protection, not taking into account nearly €2/liter fuel prices for picking up from the sellers (when the buyers protection does suck), the time it takes to pick stuff up and the extra time it takes to find that one great bargain second hand. Making buying new the most realistic option.
That humble desktop has my vote. It feels like an old childhood friend that you are real comfortable to hangout with.
I use my S21 Ultra on a DEX dock (hardwired) connected to a 55" TV. Running Xbox Cloud Gaming, using a USB Xbox controller plugged into the DEX dock. Works surprisingly good!
@angelvalle8376 Hello my fellow Stadia enthusiasts.
Yeah, but you have to also buy display and m&k out of the same money because Steam Deck also offer those.
Not just the unit.
But that's what they did.
The steam deck display is worthless, I've seen people throw away displays that look nicer than the built in screen on the steam deck, and a cheap set of peripherals is the same story.
surprised he crossed out the 64gb model when you can easily get a 256gb 2230 nvme drive for the base model and save yourself a cool $75. though i think trying to build a comparable pc for only $450 would be unfair, and it technically wouldnt be an out of the box experience with the steam deck.
Yeah, it’s almost an admission that you can’t build a PC for the price of a Steam Deck.
@@joesoso9656 I'm surprised he didn't go with an APU from AMD in this case, or at least downgrade to a GTX 1060. Still, the numbers on the performance shows that most games are able to be played on 60fps with the traditional options while the Deck struggles to hit past 40 at lower resolutions. If you like playing at higher framerates, the used Dell really lets you play without compromise to portability. Emulation and battery life are also considerations he didn't make, but are both important to the Steam Deck's value.
So you opened the steam deck and changed its internal nvme drive ssd
@@vedrisca this pretty much, even if you go for a 400 dollar 64gb steamdeck, you can beat it handily with an apu at an aggressive price comparison if you buy a 720p monitor or 800p if they even make that still and use linux.
Never thought I’d see the day where PC gamers are getting excited about gaming on a tiny screen with medium graphics settings and a gamepad 😂
at 30 fps, lol
@@Brycesweaver 30 fps on ultra
Gaming is supposed to be fun duh
Modern AAA games are massively under optimised. They do this because it allows them to ship quickly and cheaply, and hardware makers are happy with this status quo because it sells gear
Older games were optimised to all heck, look at RollerCoaster Tycoon (1) which runs on a potato despite simulating literally thousands of people at once
for 399 you can emulate every console up to ps3, what else do you want?
Honestly I originally got my Steam Deck to use when traveling but I game on it more than my desktop now. They really need to release a steam controller 2 with a similar form factor and the same controls. It's easily my favorite device ever and it's controls specifically make my old favorite one feel so limited.
Why does Linus remind me of claptrap
the idea of whipping up a device to play games in public transportation has to be the one thing with this video that strikes me as "holy shit, what a world are other people living in" 'cause if you do that with anything where I live, you'll find two of the device you left your home with in santa claus's pants.
It's really cool seeing these "old" graphics cards like the 1070 still kicking it. As much as the new 40 series cards show kick ass performance, I don't really need them when I can game just fine on pascal or turing.
1070 is new in my eyes
@@snapphanen Until a day ago it was newer than what I had.
I bought the steam deck for the portability. It'll help me out getting my large backlog of steam games completed, and play games i previously couldn't with my old Dell Latitude. And, i also want to turn it into an emulation machine where i can play things like Animal Crossing (on the gamecube) in my bed before getting some sleep. It is interesting that you could make something better for less money than the 512 Gb model.
He could not as the Steam Deck is all build new and his other picks were second hand or partly second hand on hardware which you really rather not buy second hand.
I just bought a deck+dock, and it's astonishing how much it's improved since these early days. Genuinely a downright hassle free experience now. And it emulates like a beast.
He's fully aware of the portability factor. But this was a good example of how to build a fairly well, equipped PC for next to nothing.
I like, placing commas where they don't belong as well.
yeah until you realize steam deck is 720p 🤢 what is this the early 2000s? even my old phone has quadruple. not even 1080 like cmon now what are you spending $600 on? gabens dinner? i heard he eats alot. it would cost them next to nothing for 1080
@@MrPaxio it's a tiny screen bro wtf
@@kendarr and you better hold it at arms length away if you dont want to see each individual pixel. do you even know what ppi means? wtf
Yeah - Step 1: Find a GPU for half the price inexplicably so you don't break your budget
Cannot wait to get a Steamdeck. It's been the next thing on my list all year!
I got a steam deck cuz my old laptop was not able to run much of any things and was on its last leg, got to say the steam deck is surprisingly good as a full time desktop i have been using it for 3d modeling ,gaming and school.
In a similar situation and debating if I want to wait the 4-5 months before I have enough to get a mid level pc or just cave in and get the deck + dock. Tho, I do want a pc not just for gaming but for music production + art and I got no idea if Linux is compatible with the programs I'm using for those.
And the notebook and PC shown here blow away the steam deck... You chose the least powerful option for the money.
@@thomgizziz lol the Steam Deck is also like $100 cheaper then the used laptop. If you just buy the 64 GB version of the Steam Deck and buy a Micro SD card, you can get the storage of the second version for a fraction of the price.
Me too. I use an MSI laptop, and i gotta replace the bottom shell for the laptop, and one of the fans. Its all running fine, one of the fans is just loud which is never good. So since it was my birthday i bought the steam deck for myself, did take a week or so to figure out the UI between the game steam and the desktop screen. Still think its worth the buy
@@smolmuffin If you want to do music production, and you are serious about it, then do not get a Steam Deck. Seriously... It should not even be on your list of potential production platforms!
This just validates my recent second hand purchase of a pristine Steam Deck, case, charger, and official dock for a total of $200.
FB marketplace? And what GB config? That’s insane man nice find!
I think the deck is doing a wonderful job. You still have to see, that all of this is coming out of a little 10 watt apu and for that I think it is astonishingly powerful.
This felt like it was framed as a Steam Deck win, when I actually felt like it was dealt a significant loss (that I wasn't expecting)
@@barnett25 "At $400 for the base model, nothing comes close to the Deck for cheap entry into PC gaming. Even at $550 for the 256GB version I think you would have to find a deal on facebook marketplace or something to compete with a PC."
People have literally been putting graphics cards in office PC's and getting better performance for years bro
It's that 1070 card. Pascal is still absolutely running right over its competition to this day. lol And that was just a freaking 1070 too. 1080 Ti for not that much more money would have beaten that AMD chip in the Steam Deck like a red-headed step child.
@@barnett25 I usually wouldn't use facebook but yeah you can usually get better performance out of a well selected GPU in an old optiplex than you'll get out of a steam deck
Yeah it's getting less than half the frames. Even if we factor in that maybe you'd have to push the PC budget by another $100 that's substantial. I mean the takeaway is that desktops are the best performance/$ deal out there, since they don't need a battery and managing the heat from the processors is much easier in a desktop. But the steam Deck or the laptop are still good options if you want something portable.
Another thing that wasn't touched on at all was the battery life. Now I'm happy that the Steam Deck exists, and I look forward hopefully seeing a successor, and further development and adoption of Steam OS, BUT, having to be tethered to a charging cable of some kind if you want to play for more than about 2 hours at a time (in some cases) only qualifies it as being quasi-portable, or portable with an asterisk imo.
That's the catch. The only chance to match the pricing of the Steam Deck is to go for heavily used parts. It's definitely the perfect companion device if you already own a PC.
Is it fuck, just buy an RTX 3060 gaming laptop, it'd blow the steam deck out of the water. What's the point of a steam deck if it's already struggling to run games properly?
@@NoName-dc5df you're missing the obvious. It's a portable gaming device that plays AAA games and comes at a ridiculously low price tag. Therefore, its primary target audience are hardcore gamers with a proper gaming rig, who also want to play their games on the go.
tl,dr: you buy a Steam Deck if you already own that 3060 gaming laptop. 😉
couldve saved roughly $100 USD (i think ish) if you went 10th gen i3, naturally there is some performance loss but youd only be looking at 2 maybe 3 frames when paired with a 1070.
100 USD? How exactly if the CPU they used was already only 109$? And those LGA 1200 motherboards are only like 20$ cheaper than LGA 1700 ones.
@@hebl47 by going to an i3.
@@Fluff3H They already did use an i3. i3-12100F, costing $108.99. Timestamp: 1:48. So I ask again - where's that 100 USD save you're talking about? Or do you know of an i3 that costs 10 bucks?
I'm actually fairly shocked how cheap you managed to get that 1660 Ti laptop. When I bought mine, it was around $1k AUD, but with an i7 CPU rather than an i5, and that was only a couple years ago. It's still a great laptop that serves me well even in more recent titles.
"only a couple years ago".....? A couple of years is a lifetime for these machines. A couple of years ago I bought an i5/1060Ti laptop for €1200. A couple of months ago I spent the same and got an i7/3070Ti. That old laptop was sold for about €400. Don't compare modern second hand prices with "new" from a couple of years ago; there really is no comparison.
Worth noting that he paid $525 USD, which is $777 AUD. I also bought a 1660 Ti laptop in Australia around the same time (with a 9th gen i7) for about the same price as you. I'm not especially surprised that he managed to get something about $200 bucks cheaper with a slightly worse CPU from the second hand market. Honestly I'm surprised it cost that much.
@@madelinebitts2766 Good point, yeah
i had two of these laptops, and in both the hinge connecting the screen to the body broke after slight falls. cannot recommend it.
@@jeffrey_jacobs What brand tho? Just because the specs are the same doesn't mean they're the same laptop.
Thing is, the Steamdeck has an ace up its sleeve, at least for regions where energy costs are going trough the roof right now: 15 watts maximum power usage and 25 watts when the battery has to be charged.
And you can simply install another OS if SteamOS isn't for you, i installed a vanilla Arch and got from Valves repository what special stuff the SD needs to work, in essence the kernel and the audio drivers so that the internal speakers work.
Can’t wait for the steam deck to release in Australia, I hate sitting at a desk for most games.
With a decent office chair you can sit anywhere.
I got a great chair, it's a old generic office chair but it's just really comfy and i got a footrest to put my feet, legs on, never been more comfortable.
you can use your phone remote play
@@ovreillopez5981 As someone who's used remote play on both the Deck and my Phone, it is definitely a much better experience on the Deck. Yes, you can have a Bluetooth controller connected to your phone, but everything is just much easier to access and do on the Steam Deck. That said, I wouldn't pay $400 just to stream games from my PC, though.
I can confirm that younger siblings with uneven surfaces is a problem many of us are dealing with currently.
Just did the math and visited a few local websites here in Melbourne AU and have come to realise that $600 USD ($880 AUD) PC would cost $3,500 AUD in parts here in Australia due to the price-gouging Australian PC parts retailers engage in. They will literally charge $500 AUD here for something you can get for $100 USD ($146 AUD) in the USA...
Dude linus was using used parts and Im sure you aren't biased and looking to make a point... oh that is exactly what you are doing
@@thomgizziz You've clearly never tried to build a gaming PC in Australia... It costs $2,000 AUD to cobble together the parts which could have been had for around $500 USD in North America. The reason for this is because whilst there's used parts online, most eBay sellers in the USA who are asking fair prices for this stuff won't post to Australia, so we're left with the Australian-based retailers and eBay sellers who price gouge out the wahzoo...
If you do find parts online at a reasonable price, they don't include shipping in that price, so you're usually paying an extra $50-200 per part, at prices that would qualify for free shipping in other parts of the world.
Let's not forget that the Deck also supports FSR (and I believe it also works on external displays)? There are some games I pop down to ~540p and scale back up with FSR and it is very hard to tell the difference on the Steam Deck's display.
For $400, the steam deck is awesome. Granted, I did buy a 256GB NVME for $45, 512GB SSD for $60, Screen Protector for $10, and the leather skin from dbrand for $60, which brings it to $575 total spent. But its an amazing value for money and more importantly the community support is priceless.
unlike regular PCs like windows and mac. Valve said they are continuing updating the steam deck original until people no longer uses it