We Built a PC for the Price of a Steam Deck!

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    0:00 Steam Deck vs. PC Build for the same price, who will win?
    0:13 Rules on everything
    1:44 PC Parts Used (Links in the description ;) )
    3:26 Powering on
    5:19 How about a gaming laptop at the same price?
    7:14 Trying out the gaming laptop
    9:30 Steam Deck benchmarks
    10:12 Cons of the Steam Deck
    11:12 Steam Deck Dock
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  • @tralphstreet
    @tralphstreet ปีที่แล้ว +7547

    I'm amazed at Linus' ability to make Linux crash whenever he's in the same room as a computer with it.

    • @blunderingfool
      @blunderingfool ปีที่แล้ว +167

      My brother once tried to update his graphics drivers on a linux distro... They uninstalled all right, then it was a brick. XD

    • @SimonBauer7
      @SimonBauer7 ปีที่แล้ว +193

      @@mexicanhalloween same and i used linux on all kinds of hardware. from a normal "boring" tower pc over a raspberry pie to running it under android with proot-distro in termux. never had weird crashes even on the jankiest of setups.

    • @zxbc1
      @zxbc1 ปีที่แล้ว +171

      It doesn't take a Linus to crash Linux, every inexperienced user (which is everyone, at some point) will crash linux. And that's why windows is still a thing.

    • @mono_vt
      @mono_vt ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ​@@blunderingfool Sounds similar to the Mesa PPA problem I encountered only 2 days after converting full-time to Linux (I think it was just after 22.04 dropped). It flat out refuses to correctly install. A lot of people recommend not using it. I don't know what causes it, and I don't know how to fix it, so I just wait for my distro's repo to drop a new version.
      It kinda sucks if there's a particular part of the Vulkan API you're waiting on (Emulation geeks know this pain) but definitely better than having to donate another hour... (several hours maybe) of your time to fix the system.

    • @TheDeeplyCynical
      @TheDeeplyCynical ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@zxbc1 I've only been on Linux since March (therefore a noob) and haven't had it crash once. Plus I jumped into the deep end and went vanilla Arch........ BTW (sorry, couldn't resist)

  • @brettdione3476
    @brettdione3476 ปีที่แล้ว +5214

    Linus have my children

    • @IcyCubey
      @IcyCubey ปีที่แล้ว +523

      If Linus isn't available, I'll take em. 👍

    • @Chakeis
      @Chakeis ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do you want to impregnate him or does he keep your existing children in the basement?

    • @petrichor1956
      @petrichor1956 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Nice man😊

    • @Voltaic_Fire
      @Voltaic_Fire ปีที่แล้ว +75

      Well that was a creepy thing to say...

    • @Samporium
      @Samporium ปีที่แล้ว +69

      mine too, I don't want 'em no more

  • @FourDozenEggs
    @FourDozenEggs ปีที่แล้ว +2342

    To be fair, you can use any docking method, not just the official one. You can just get a cheap dongle and it'd work.

    • @CrusterfunkShenanigans
      @CrusterfunkShenanigans ปีที่แล้ว +86

      It definately does, I have a 30Euro's powered usb-c hub with a networkport and it works just as good and in my case its alot smaller than the official dock 🤓

    • @terribletimes902
      @terribletimes902 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Or even just buy a JSAUX dock for a comparable experience at half the price

    • @tenet5858
      @tenet5858 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I use a type c to hdmi Samsung cable lol . I have read some can mess up the steam deck ?

    • @Draug0
      @Draug0 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I had a cheap usb c hub that worked fine for several months until the usb c power connection stopped working. I then bought I jsaux docking station and could not get it to work for me on either windows or steam os. I went through support for like a month trying to fix it with firmware updates and other fixes that didn't work. I finally got a refund. I now have an official steam deck docking station. It works fine for the most part, but there are problems. sound cuts out randomly for a microsecond ever half hour to an hour or so. plugging in any kind of external storage through usb is pretty much unusable because it keeps randomly disconnecting every minute or so. My experience overall with using an external display has not been great.

    • @Tenchigumi
      @Tenchigumi ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yep, I've used both the cheap USB-C laptop dongles I already had on hand (around $20) as well as a cheap knock-off dock for around $30. Haven't had any real issues plugging into my monitor, k&m, wireless headset and controller, and 60w charger. This basically allows me to have a fully functional gaming/linux pc at my treadmill with minimum fuss.

  • @ICharlyl
    @ICharlyl ปีที่แล้ว +493

    You should make a build that matches the steam deck on performance and see what price you get.

    • @Santiago_Vids
      @Santiago_Vids ปีที่แล้ว +27

      it's so obvious we can build a pc which is giving us 30 fps in ultra settings of FH5 under than 350 dollars

    • @slayer-5625
      @slayer-5625 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Santiago_Vidsrlly?

    • @iikon01
      @iikon01 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Really 😂
      Steam deck on AAA games can do almost 30fps on 720p with fsr on ,
      The Steam deck price 500+$
      A pc with that performance only gonna cost you 130$ 😂😂😂

    • @slayer-5625
      @slayer-5625 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      @@iikon01 wtf r u talking about my steamdeck can run
      red dead redemption 2 on medium to high graphics at around 40-50fps, and it only cost me 400dollars +an 8 dollar micro sd card, please stop spreading missinformation on the internet,p.s. and cyberpunk on high settings at a locked 30 frames per second Oh and btw check the difintion of AAA games, a AAA game is assasins creed black flag(my steamdeck can run it at around 60 or more fps at max settings) or idk any older or newer game released by a big corporation , plenty of AAA games are old and dont need a good pc to play

    • @iikon01
      @iikon01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Slayer - red dead ? Cyberpunk?
      Really?
      Try and run the last of us part 1 and get more than 30 fps on 720p I dare you
      Try hogwarts legacy !
      Even on 720p it's struggling bro !
      With 500$ the 64gb steam deck price you can build an rx 6600 pc !
      Do u understand what is rx 6600?
      It's 15 time stronger than steam deck

  • @megazillia
    @megazillia ปีที่แล้ว +1239

    With how good it is for a first gen product, I'm really excited to see what the next iteration of the steam deck will be.

    • @hunterchasens835
      @hunterchasens835 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      I'd love to see a Steam Deck with Zen 4 APUs with RDNA3. With Zen 4's reduced power consumption and RDNA3's improvements, it'd be a huge upgrade with very little modification required.

    • @kitz927
      @kitz927 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      Imagine if it had an OLED with thinner bezels AND better battery life and performance! That would be amazing.

    • @Defender004
      @Defender004 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too

    • @progenitor_amborella
      @progenitor_amborella ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Should’ve mentioned in comparison to other handhelds, just like a PC, all the parts and instructions to repair/replace are available online (iFixit, in the Deck’s case.)
      Granted, with how tight of a form factor the Deck is, I don’t much expect that you can easily upgrade many parts. Time will tell, I hope I’m wrong!

    • @KenS1267
      @KenS1267 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@progenitor_amborella TBH, I strongly doubt there could be an upgrade path from the current Steam Deck to a theoretical Zen 4 based one. That main board and colling solution are very tightly tied to the current chip. I'd be shocked if you could engineer a new APU in the exact, or close enough, dimensions.

  • @BrendanGeormer
    @BrendanGeormer ปีที่แล้ว +1715

    The Steam Deck really is an impressive piece of engineering

    • @jaywhite15_AL
      @jaywhite15_AL ปีที่แล้ว +35

      When compared with the other devices with the Intel i7 1260p and Thunderbolt.... not really. I do like the repairability though.

    • @acasualmusiclistener7919
      @acasualmusiclistener7919 ปีที่แล้ว +235

      @@jaywhite15_AL $400 tho

    • @mrducky179
      @mrducky179 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Well we had the psp 15 years ago but maybe it's not the same

    • @Ben-rz9cf
      @Ben-rz9cf ปีที่แล้ว +71

      We live in a really privileged time for insane price to performance buys. It'll probably cost you about 20 bucks nowadays to get pizza delivery, so for the price of 20 pizza deliveries you can get the steam deck, the mavic mini 2 which is a literal portable flying helicopter that shoots 4k video, or a xiaomi note 12 pro+ which goes head to head with even recent flagship phones. We are basically surrounded by insane feats of engineering.

    • @slimboogie777
      @slimboogie777 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep it really is. I would love to see this same thing but someone try to make a better portable pc..

  • @z0mb13k1ll2012
    @z0mb13k1ll2012 ปีที่แล้ว +406

    wow $110 for a 1070 is a great deal. glad to see they finally came down. i was considering selling my 1070 ages ago when they were selling for 500ish as i paid 300 canadian for mine a few months after the cards were released. I dont play games as much anymore but i would have been stuck on my old 680 for who knows how long

    • @ndubitably
      @ndubitably ปีที่แล้ว +13

      A very good deal. That link is currently showing $360 for the cheapest used option for me.

    • @wholemilkotter9377
      @wholemilkotter9377 ปีที่แล้ว

      can i have your 680 because have integrated

    • @petrlazar5240
      @petrlazar5240 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I actually got 2 second-had GTX1080 for about 180 USD each. Let's hope they will for some time.

    • @relicgamer2137
      @relicgamer2137 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not. It's over$200 for a 1070

    • @narwhal9852
      @narwhal9852 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really I just got a 1660 ti oc for 120 on ebay

  • @matthewthompson7012
    @matthewthompson7012 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    A $250 backpack and you're saying that steam is steep 🤣

    • @Crowcaww
      @Crowcaww ปีที่แล้ว +16

      And an $80 screwdriver

    • @matthewthompson7012
      @matthewthompson7012 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Crowcaww Project Farm did a review on it. It's actually a good rachet screwdriver.

    • @styx15
      @styx15 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @matthewthompson7012 good tech backpacks can get you to that 250 price point too

  • @ChrisPkmn
    @ChrisPkmn ปีที่แล้ว +525

    I always like looking at the date on the windows desktop during their videos. Gives me an idea for their turnaround time and insight into the current events during filming.

    • @babaganoosh7020
      @babaganoosh7020 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      whatcha talkin bout willis

    • @rajgill7576
      @rajgill7576 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      @@babaganoosh7020 date on his pc was like 11/14 or something when they filmed it. Takes time to edit/upload

    • @sprinkles2765
      @sprinkles2765 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Not always just the turnaround time. They probably finish their videos well before when they need to based on their schedule

    • @CJMAXiK
      @CJMAXiK ปีที่แล้ว +16

      ​@@onioneater69 actually, it is not an advantage now, since Linus killed "first on Floatplane" releases since it messes up their pipeline.

  • @WyFoster
    @WyFoster ปีที่แล้ว +573

    I bought the $399 version and put an SSD in there for $30 myself. WINNING!

    • @shinaikouka
      @shinaikouka ปีที่แล้ว +78

      That was my first thought when I saw that they went with the 256GB. If you're really worried about a budget and building a PC is a consideration, using a resource like IFixIt to demonstrate how to change the SSD is likely a better option. For myself, I did go with the 512GB option -- mostly due to it being a reservation made at launch -- but for a gift, I just did exactly what you said. You can also put the extra ~$100 that you saved toward a dock (any will work fine), protective shell, and a screen protector.
      EDIT: Replaced the mention of a "case" with "protective shell".

    • @dirkwood4544
      @dirkwood4544 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I replaced my 512gb SSD with 1tb.. didn't want to dual boot on such a tiny SSD.
      I'll probably attach the old SSD to the dock with an enclosure

    • @leonro
      @leonro ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@shinaikouka Don't they already come with a case?

    • @Bready-
      @Bready- ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@leonro they mean a protection case. like the protection that goes on your phone.

    • @shinaikouka
      @shinaikouka ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@leonro Yes, my apologies... I meant something more like a shell. So, that's really only if you're worried about on-the-go protection. Although, while I had a reservation for dbrand's Project Killswitch, when I read that it doesn't work with Steam's Deck Dock, I cancelled the reservation. So, you may have issues using an official dock and any sort of protective measure. You can always use other docks though. I used an Anker USB hub meant for laptops prior to getting the Valve version.

  • @hksduhksdu
    @hksduhksdu ปีที่แล้ว +106

    I know this video is 5 months old, but I was able to use the steam deck for my full workstation. I used VSCode, Git, all the other tools. Also, I output to 2x 49” 5120x1440 monitors, performance was still good. Valve released updates to both the steam deck and the dock all the time and within the past 5 months, other than the bug that I reported on the HDMI output has an overlay issue at 3840 line when DP is plugged in, many issues were fixed and even ran so much better than before.

    • @crefoo1166
      @crefoo1166 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2 Months passed how was your experience so far?
      Am about to buy a steam deck maybe next month for the low low price of 450$ or less to play terraria specifically and be able to try different games at low settings

    • @hksduhksdu
      @hksduhksdu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@crefoo1166 I actually bought an Aokzoe A1 Pro. 7840U with 32GB ram, 1TB NVMe, 8” screen, much larger size of battery, built-in kickstand, the best is that it comes with USB 4 port so I could connect to my eGPU and bottom USB-C 3.2 I connect with my thunderbolt hub.

    • @charlesm.2604
      @charlesm.2604 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@hksduhksdu Do you run the A1 Pro with Windows or did you install SteamOS ?
      I want a Windows handheld and I was thinking of buying the Lenovo Legion Go when we get more legitimate reviews because Steam on handheld is pissing me off (console-like devices should have a plug and play experience). Playnite is a great frontend for windows handheld.

    • @hksduhksdu
      @hksduhksdu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@charlesm.2604 I run windows because I don’t wanna do dual boot just to play Fortnite, warzone, and League of Legend. I use it for work most of the time so it’s fine. I grew up with mouse and keyboard so I am still picking up the comfort of using controller by playing single player games like Yakuza and Marvel’s Avengers. I play multiplayer FPS games like Titanfall 2 defence frontier on it too. I am actually waiting to see if Lenovo will offer a 32GB Ram model soon after launching, if they do, I will sell my A1 Pro and buy Legion Go because I really like their design, especially the detachable controllers used in FPS mode. Once I tried 32GB Ram on my A1 Pro, I don’t wanna go back to 16GB, not enough for me.

    • @adamgerald849
      @adamgerald849 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@charlesm.2604 idk I've heard most of the Windows handhelds run really bad. I have a Steam Deck and SteamOS runs great. I've not tried dual booting Windows though.

  • @kay_keik7842
    @kay_keik7842 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    to be honest, the best part of the steam deck is its little bonuses that come with gaming mode. the fact that you can just put it on sleep mode and then turn it on and be right where you left off is incredible. you can also play multiple games at the same time. you can access anything while on gaming mode. and its got plug in loaders like steam decky to further upgrade your experience on the deck.

  • @archivushka
    @archivushka ปีที่แล้ว +782

    The deck got the dock more right than most laptops

    • @silverlinegaming3933
      @silverlinegaming3933 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      it's better then Nintendo's Dock no screen scratches to worry about with this one.

    • @skypfo734
      @skypfo734 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@silverlinegaming3933 yeah the “awkward” charging port on it actually works out better overall

    • @estherstreet4582
      @estherstreet4582 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@skypfo734 I wish they'd gone for double USB ports like some gaming phones and the aya neo handhelds do, but on the whole I think the top USB port is more my jam.

    • @dustojnikhummer
      @dustojnikhummer ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@estherstreet4582 Deck really should have had a second USB-C port on the bottom

    • @aatwo
      @aatwo ปีที่แล้ว

      My deck dock works really badly with my TV. Sometimes static, sometimes blank screen, sometimes it works. I bought a much cheaper one which works far better for me.

  • @CarthagoMike
    @CarthagoMike ปีที่แล้ว +184

    It is nice seeing both of my daily drivers (Steam Deck and GTX 1070) go head to head against each other here.

    • @LARVideos
      @LARVideos ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Funnily enough, same. lol

    • @arnox4554
      @arnox4554 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Pascal Founder's Edition looks so sexy. And was such an awesome card to boot too. Plus the cards had a fair few other advantages. Even after I retire my current PC, I'm still gonna keep my Titan Xp. I swear to hell, even without ray-tracing cores, this thing SCREAMS in Blender. And I haven't even bothered overclocking it yet.

    • @tortlebard
      @tortlebard ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I came down here to comment this exact thing- really put into perspective the power of my “main” rig

    • @RealChristopherRobin
      @RealChristopherRobin ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same here, but 1060

    • @RageQuitSon
      @RageQuitSon ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Right? The 1070 is such a champion even today. I bought an A770 just to f around with but I could see myself still using my 1070 5 years from now, regardless if the A770 performs or flops.

  • @mshumai
    @mshumai ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Meanwhile, Valve: we built a handheld gaming PC for less than the price of most desktops and laptops

    • @KarpetBurn
      @KarpetBurn ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That for a bit of extra cash can be easily transformed into a fully fledged gaming desktop.

    • @shul5684
      @shul5684 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Everyone knows for a few bucks more you can get a full desktop.. but it wouldn't be portable man.. and that's the point of the deck.

    • @PhantomTissue
      @PhantomTissue ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Gaben said that the price point was "painful", so I assume they sell these at some sort of a loss in an effort to get more people onto the steam platform.

    • @KarpetBurn
      @KarpetBurn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PhantomTissue My only issue with Steam Deck is that they for some ungodly reason decided to make the system run on Linux. Linux has no support for any 3rd party stuff, and half of my STEAM GAMES are unplayable because the OS isn't compatible with the game's anti cheat.

    • @shul5684
      @shul5684 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@KarpetBurn looks like you mostly play shooters and multiplayer then.. there is a section of the gaming community that does mostly single player games. The point of Linux is for the deck to have a less demanding requirement to run an OS. If it run windows, a % of it's processor would go towards windows and the rest towards gaming. Trying to fit a modern cpu in a handheld at that price point is just not possible. That's why they chose Linux.. which btw is a good OS.

  • @cyberlord64
    @cyberlord64 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The deck is one of the best purchases I ever made. It's been a year and I can't get over how awesome it feels and how well it plays... well... everything. From desktop, to console games. I even use it more often than my switch to play switch games. I also tripple boot with ubuntu and windows included just for shits and giggles. With 1TB storage there are no limits.

  • @M.H3ndr1ks
    @M.H3ndr1ks ปีที่แล้ว +1516

    As somebody that games on Deck on his daily commute I can concur that it is a great device to game on in public transit.

    • @wisenotwise2676
      @wisenotwise2676 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      I'm thinking about maybe getting this cool thing, but, as an introverted person... the rest is common sense

    • @M.H3ndr1ks
      @M.H3ndr1ks ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@wisenotwise2676 I'm an introverted person too and I think it's perfect for me.

    • @Druggy-Doggo
      @Druggy-Doggo ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I like to see this game build a steam deck for under $600 lol

    • @techtester372
      @techtester372 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      honestly im torn between steam deck and the ayn loki mini pro with the i3 upgrade AND the 16gb ram upgrade. slightly cheaper, windows 10 out the box and id mainly use it for like 2005 nfsmw and ps2 era emu/games on pc

    • @techtester372
      @techtester372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the steam deck seems a bit big and bulky not to mention a bit of optimization issues for the whole linux situation considering i have like 1400 steam games

  • @IanDresarie
    @IanDresarie ปีที่แล้ว +733

    I'm honestly most impressed by the laptop. Finding an actual gaming laptop with a 1660 at 500 is unexpected

    • @revenant7276
      @revenant7276 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      not really plenty of 3050s and 3050 tis at 500

    • @ISAAC.LV5
      @ISAAC.LV5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@revenant7276 which models

    • @EgonTonsic
      @EgonTonsic ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@revenant7276 wow! Send links please

    • @JakeLYT
      @JakeLYT ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@revenant7276 where are you finding these though?

    • @comrade591
      @comrade591 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      correction they cost 763$ on amazon

  • @AlexTM44
    @AlexTM44 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    F1 2022 is actually working great on the Deck now, I've been playing it and it's pretty cool playing on the Deck, I actually had the game already set aside on Playstation after only a few hours of play, but on PC and on the Steam Deck the game seems better to play. I also really like having the option to switch between the desktop and the Deck

    • @MrPaxio
      @MrPaxio ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah you probably see nothing on that 720p

    • @Viesta
      @Viesta ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MrPaxio 800p*

    • @MrPaxio
      @MrPaxio ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Viesta wooowww..... is that like gameboy resolution then?

    • @Viesta
      @Viesta ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@MrPaxio gameboy is 160x144

    • @ZqTi0
      @ZqTi0 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MrPaxio mate you watching this video on 480p lol

  • @micaiahweaver1346
    @micaiahweaver1346 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I essentially do the same with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon gen 8, and an Aorus Gaming Box with a Gtx 1660s, works really well for all my games.

  • @amessman
    @amessman ปีที่แล้ว +309

    Building a computer from used parts is one of my favorite activities.

    • @K1le
      @K1le ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I love to look into its soul and watch how the previous owners traumatized their parts ☺️

    • @nadstengco2591
      @nadstengco2591 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      it's actually a good business also in my country as the price of everything brand new when it comes to computers are too much.. just build a gaming pc with used parts and sell them for profit.. hobby to money.. win/win

    • @azroguetwitch8946
      @azroguetwitch8946 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Did you try having fun with second hand Intel Xeons 😁

    • @JeppeBeier
      @JeppeBeier ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Currently the used market is priced roughly around what I'd expect to pay for new parts and the new market is priced roughly what I'd expect to pay if I wanted to buy from scalpers.

    • @freedustin
      @freedustin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's a way of life.

  • @_n8thagr8_63
    @_n8thagr8_63 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    the 1070 is such a fantastic little card. It will be one of those immortal cards that just keeps giving.Really the 1070 and 1080 are just superb

    • @zxbc1
      @zxbc1 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They will be fine until raytracing becomes a standard setting in games, which is actually sooner than you think.

    • @arnox4554
      @arnox4554 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@zxbc1 Who cares? Literally the ONLY game I ever saw where ray-tracing actually made a huge difference was Minecraft. Now, admittedly, it does look SUPER good in Minecraft and even goes so far as to change the game a little bit, but regardless, one game is just not enough to justify shelling out extra cash for ray-tracing cores.
      Now, if you were talking about Blender workloads, NOW you might have a point, but even then, my Titan Xp still does a DAMN good job with it, especially considering it has zero RT cores, and it's MORE than enough for the average artist or even perhaps a professional artist. Pascal, especially at its height, was just that fucking good. Only enterprise customers are actually going to care about the rendering time differences between a card with RT cores, and a card without them. But they're just going to buy Quadro A6000s in bulk anyway.
      Perhaps Pascal's one big weakness is in compute since it's FP16 for AI workloads is pretty bad since it has no Tensor cores, and its FP64 performance for simulation work is just as bad as well. Or at least on certain Pascal cards anyway funnily enough, though to be quite fair, the Quadro GP100 is, even today, not cheap whatsoever.

    • @Drip7914
      @Drip7914 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@arnox4554 Here’s 20 games where RT makes a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE: Cp2077, Control, Ghostrunner, Gw tokyo, Minecraft, Ascent, Metro, Spider-Man, SM Miles, RE 7, RE 2, RE village, DL 2, GOTG, Doom Eternal, quake rtx, WD legion, Icarus, Hitman3, FH5 and many more like Witcher 3/Elden ring/Plague tale to come. Had it been 2019/20 then you might have a point but it’s just copium to dismiss Rt in 2022

    • @arnox4554
      @arnox4554 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@Drip7914 All you listed was 20 games that have ray-tracing, and I already pointed out Minecraft so it's more like 19. Regardless, watch the video LTT did on whether ray-tracing is actually noticeable or not.

    • @Drip7914
      @Drip7914 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@arnox4554 I listed 20 games that use Rt REFLECTIONS which linuses video didn’t focus on. I’m not denying Rt shadows aren’t difficult to spot but generally Reflections are the “WOW” factor. Swap Minecraft for BfV 🥱 next argument

  • @DDT997
    @DDT997 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I’ve had my deck for almost a week now and love it so far. Honestly have not done much modern day gaming but I’ve been doing a lot of portable GameCube and some 360 emulation and been great

    • @prakashm1468
      @prakashm1468 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually,I am about ordering one myself but still how future proof is it? Say for next 5-10 years?

    • @PlatinumSpoons
      @PlatinumSpoons ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@prakashm1468 while the most popular GPU on steam is still GTX 1060/1650, developers will continue to optimize games for low-end

    • @lifting6248
      @lifting6248 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@prakashm1468 doubtful. It'll play a lot of future titles in the next couple of years and you get a back catalogue of retro games up to around the ps2 era. Most modern games to date work great also. Couple that with the portability and i think thats a good investment.

    • @andrewtoledo181
      @andrewtoledo181 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same. I'm actually playing games that I haven't touched yet, hahaha. I think its the laying on couch factor that allows me to enjoy some of the games in my library

    • @nok4799
      @nok4799 ปีที่แล้ว

      360 and PS3 emulation I's working great too, saw somebody play raging blast perfectly

  • @tonziss
    @tonziss ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Interesting how Linus gives more respect to proper Windows license than to younger siblings XD

  • @TaxationIsTheft69
    @TaxationIsTheft69 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    When my GPU died, i went excusively on my steam deck for my daily computer processes. It's been a journey. From buying the 64GB model to upgrading it to 512GB for $50. Reflashing the OS. To daily driving linux and tinkering with the OS to making it my liking. I will admit, I've missed some windows processes, but with Wine and Proton, I've hardly missed a beat. The Steam Deck w/ a dock is hands down one of the best experiences I've had. Its cheap, works, (There are some work arounds), and I'm learning Linux along the way. Anyone into learning new experiences and have a small budget, and some tech knowledge. I recommend using a steam deck as your daily driver. Whether you buy the 64GB and upgrade like I did for $450 total or buy the 512GB for $700. Its worth every penny.

    • @sirdinkus6537
      @sirdinkus6537 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I supported the Steam Deck because of the potential it had in pushing Linux into the mainstream. I've never been a fan of Linux, but I've always loved the principles behind it. Computing for the people by the people. Open source. Real privacy. I love my steam deck, but I love SteamOS more. A byproduct of Valve's success might actually be a true shift away from Windows for many users. I'll buy every iteration of the steam deck moving forward if it means SteamOS becomes truly competitive. I want to see it as an option in the OS drop down menu when mom goes to buy little Timmy a dell laptop, right next to Windows and Ubuntu.

    • @diamondarrow4567
      @diamondarrow4567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you want to try linux just put it on an old laptop or desktop

    • @zodiacfml
      @zodiacfml ปีที่แล้ว +1

      indeed. i'm a PC builder for decades but I comparing it to anything else at the strict budget makes others lame. While the CPU is weaker vs the larger TDPs, a little patience sorts that out. too bad for me, I already bought an Intel 12th Gen that will last me years. A Steam deck might not be an option unless I need laptop for travel

    • @comma1737
      @comma1737 ปีที่แล้ว

      I picked up the steam deck initially because of the price and for it's parts availability. Aya, GPDwin, and the others don't really give you the option to make repairs like valve does with ifixit parts. Afterwards it became a solid choice heading into winter. We get windstorms that just kill power for hours during the winter time. My initial thought was to use an apc power backup to power the steam deck, modem and router. I already have the apc backup for my desktop but with the steam deck it would last much longer than the 20 minutes on my desktop. I could even just have it running the router and modem. Now though I'm somewhat tempted to get a jackery for extended use.

    • @raxxor18
      @raxxor18 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@diamondarrow4567 you really need to force yourself to use it as a daily driver to actually try it. Or have it on a device that greatly benefits from using it, like the steam deck.
      My steam deck journey showed me how I'm still right about a lot of my grievances with linux, mainly stability and learning curve, but also that I was wrong on many accounts.
      Valve is putting a lot of effort into SteamOS and it shows. Having ONE platform shared by everyone is an incredible boost to the helpfulness of forum advice.
      I'm actually considering installing SteamOS on my main rig now, to try out the performance and really see the drawbacks.

  • @TylerDickey1
    @TylerDickey1 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    The steam deck is the first new hardware in a long time that has me excited to use it.

    • @lasarousi
      @lasarousi ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I felt the same when I realize I can do everything the steam deck can does with the phone I already own.

    • @NLxDoDge
      @NLxDoDge ปีที่แล้ว

      I already got on and my time in publix transport has gotten so much more fun :) playing Super Mario Sunshine on the Deck no issues

    • @epepepe7178
      @epepepe7178 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lasarousi can you run PC games on your phone

    • @lasarousi
      @lasarousi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@epepepe7178 I can play PC games through my phone yes, without worrying about overheating, I do have to worry about a stable internet connection but like I said, any LTE can do 1440 30fps.
      But having my entire steam library and not just the Linux enabled games is so much better too.

    • @lasarousi
      @lasarousi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@notjustforhackers4252 I was referring to the library that already supports Linux, not the wrapper.
      In theory you can just run native Linux apps on the deck right? Yeah that
      proton is actually a plus of the deck and the reason why it's marketed as gaming handheld and not a portable.

  • @colinmartin9797
    @colinmartin9797 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just bought a deck+dock, and it's astonishing how much it's improved since these early days. Genuinely a downright hassle free experience now. And it emulates like a beast.

  • @lunar-tick4310
    @lunar-tick4310 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Why does Linus remind me of claptrap

  • @paulbrooks4395
    @paulbrooks4395 ปีที่แล้ว +501

    My favorite videos are when you target prices and objectives and give us sound buying tips. Truth is that tech adoption and tips are going to be more closely tied to what we can afford than “what can this thing do”.

    • @Tr3xShad
      @Tr3xShad ปีที่แล้ว +5

      in that case, this was not a fair competition as always but a paid ad. Like seriuosly he spent $110 on GTX 1070 when he could have had a newer more comperative gpu for same price (RX 5700XTX), he chose i3, when he could have chosen the 5600X and let not mention the sata SSD.

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Tr3xShad $110 for a 1070 is an amazing price they usually go for 150 at least and the 5700xtx is 200, the 5600x is 160 vs 100 and the sata ssd is actually insanely good value for only $16 like wtf are you on about do you just not understand the point of the video or smth so basically what you're saying is "if you just spent $300 over your budget you could get more fps hurr"

    • @Croga
      @Croga ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Tr3xShad Especially when he then came back to the Steam Deck and had to purchase another $200 worth of kit for it to be comparable...... Definitely a completely half arsed comparison... errrr.... add for the steam deck.
      "Yeah, the Steam Deck is the best of all of this. It is 40% more expensive and delivers only about 60% of the performance but it's still better"....?

    • @Tr3xShad
      @Tr3xShad ปีที่แล้ว

      @@squidwardo7074 Hmmmm I thought you guys were cheaper but it seems price are returning back to normal in London. I got my 5600X for £121 and £150 For my 5700XTX 3 weeks ago and I expect further discount now due to black Friday. There are many devices with prices more or closer to newer more powerful hardware. It's always been that way and the inflation caused by mining and lockdown is over. My mate got an RX 580 8gb for £60, while other sells it for £120 - £150. Again this wasn't a fair comparison and a tech channel and team should be able to find better prices.

    • @Tr3xShad
      @Tr3xShad ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@squidwardo7074 Oh and the satta SSD, just add another £15 and you will get yourself and nvme. Remember second hand wasn't a issue. Except you can't think for yourself, but you can build a faster machine for the same money or less. I know this, because I do this for a living (IT technician) and way before papa Linus started his customer assistant role in IT, even though we are age group. Any nobody with 2 sense would see this was to justify and prep up the steam deck but the deck isn't a replacement or design to compete with your pc. It meant to compliment it, so it all ended flat on his face with the Linux desktop as he could do or use it for anything else except slow web browsing but don't take my word on this, take Linus' word or watch his Linux video, and yet still he's here predicting that the steam deck can replace your pc. Let him try use the deck as his delay driver and get back to us or try editing videos. I'll suggest he goes back to his old format of advertising, making shorts quick buck video just for advertisement is taking the shine of the channel. And I'm pretty sure my old OC fm4 apu, crossfire with rx 480 4g will beat what Linus built. One question though, did he tell you what resolution he was running the PC on, was it 900p? Lol

  • @JarrodsTech
    @JarrodsTech ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Laptop GTX 1660 Ti is underrated, performs closely to the RTX 3050 Ti but with more VRAM, just no DLSS.

    • @btbarr16
      @btbarr16 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree. My 1660ti laptop lasted way longer than I expected it to.

    • @lucutes2936
      @lucutes2936 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Who u

  • @blairlohnes8103
    @blairlohnes8103 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Have had my steam deck since July and I don't regret buying it one bit. I did try to use it as a desktop for a while but it's really not powerful enough for 1080p gaming so I built a new gaming PC, but if you're okay with 720p, it is pretty cool to be able to have such a small computer that you can take anywhere and use as your daily PC.

  • @lavachemist
    @lavachemist ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The Deck is excellent. I use the official dock with my TV and the experience is very close to being console level. The biggest hurdles to a console like experience are the lack of HDMI CEC, and inability to wake it up via a Bluetooth gamepad. That said, I can't think of another first generation device I've owned that was as good as the Deck is.

    • @martinsleis3852
      @martinsleis3852 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have great news for you friend. With the OLED version they've added wake on bluetooth function. I don't think they added cec or my TV doesn't support it.

  • @swordtraining
    @swordtraining ปีที่แล้ว +456

    Linus, this is such perfect timing! Great work and thank you for helping me justify my gift decision for my son!

    • @1969MAN
      @1969MAN ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Best gift ever

    • @ahmeddraza
      @ahmeddraza ปีที่แล้ว +31

      damn what a nice father gifting his son a pc or a steam deck

    • @Voltaic_Fire
      @Voltaic_Fire ปีที่แล้ว +24

      You're giving a child a Steam Deck? Better make it absolutely clear what its worth is or it won't last long.

    • @oldskool9783
      @oldskool9783 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      the steam deck is the greatest thing to happen in gaming since the genesis. he'll love it

    • @notyou9348
      @notyou9348 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      ohhhh that boy is lucky

  • @franzjosefstakes
    @franzjosefstakes ปีที่แล้ว +178

    I still remember selling my GTX 1070 for 270€ not even a year ago... crazy how quickly times have changed

    • @capsulate8642
      @capsulate8642 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I just got a 1070 for $80 this week. Definitely glad to have held out with an APU during the mining craze.

    • @jkahgdkjhafgsd
      @jkahgdkjhafgsd ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'm still running my 1070. Might be going for a 7800xt next year

    • @theelectricprince8231
      @theelectricprince8231 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@capsulate8642 awesome

    • @LatvianVideo
      @LatvianVideo ปีที่แล้ว +3

      here a 1070 still is 160eur

    • @felixfeliyfeliz
      @felixfeliyfeliz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@capsulate8642 bro u wanna buy one for me and send it over? here in germany, prices are outrageous..

  • @cryism7798
    @cryism7798 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    as a mom who likes to game ive been debating on a laptop or a steam deck since sitting down at a desk is pretty much out of the picture for me, so this came onto my feed at just the right time! thanks linus!

    • @abdallahhakeem5185
      @abdallahhakeem5185 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you haven't made a decision already, I'd highly recommend a Steam Deck or RoG Ally for that style of play!
      From my experience, it's just much more convenient and 'ergonomic' a setup if you're not using desks.
      Also the big boost of having quick and easier access to its full capabilities while travelling or switching between rooms and locations is a nice bonus!

    • @MeiPeaches
      @MeiPeaches 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Buy laptop

    • @aymfar8656
      @aymfar8656 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MeiPeacheswhy

  • @DanielBascom
    @DanielBascom ปีที่แล้ว +34

    He's fully aware of the portability factor. But this was a good example of how to build a fairly well, equipped PC for next to nothing.

    • @justinreynolds6318
      @justinreynolds6318 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I like, placing commas where they don't belong as well.

    • @MrPaxio
      @MrPaxio ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah until you realize steam deck is 720p 🤢 what is this the early 2000s? even my old phone has quadruple. not even 1080 like cmon now what are you spending $600 on? gabens dinner? i heard he eats alot. it would cost them next to nothing for 1080

    • @kendarr
      @kendarr ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@MrPaxio it's a tiny screen bro wtf

    • @MrPaxio
      @MrPaxio ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kendarr and you better hold it at arms length away if you dont want to see each individual pixel. do you even know what ppi means? wtf

    • @lexou8848
      @lexou8848 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah - Step 1: Find a GPU for half the price inexplicably so you don't break your budget

  • @govind_goyal
    @govind_goyal ปีที่แล้ว +213

    0:32 4:47 6:20 jackery is definitely getting their money's worth with all these excellent segues

    • @OutsideDuhBox
      @OutsideDuhBox ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Not taking into account the ads already added by TH-cam....30 percent of the video is almost just ads

    • @AVdE10000
      @AVdE10000 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Am I the only one to find it a weird sponsor choice? "let's build a super budget friendly $600 pc and hook it up to a mobile power station starting at over 2k!"

    • @stephen9894
      @stephen9894 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@OutsideDuhBox and TH-cam ad revenue will be a miniscule amount compared to their sponsor.
      Not to mention they have no control over them (I didn't even get any ads this time around on the Android app)

    • @OutsideDuhBox
      @OutsideDuhBox ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stephen9894 yes. And of course, unfortunately, LTT has become LMTG, a company, a business. And a business end goal is to MAKE money in as little time and effort possible. To a moderation of course

    • @KarrasBastomi
      @KarrasBastomi ปีที่แล้ว

      Midroll segue by linus is not common, jackery paid pretty penny here.

  • @brickyrobot8932
    @brickyrobot8932 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    7:36 trying to use a mouse on an uneven surface like a couch cushion or a younger sibling. 🤣

  • @StonerGamingParadise
    @StonerGamingParadise ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I use my S21 Ultra on a DEX dock (hardwired) connected to a 55" TV. Running Xbox Cloud Gaming, using a USB Xbox controller plugged into the DEX dock. Works surprisingly good!

    • @user-vp6cq4sv3d
      @user-vp6cq4sv3d ปีที่แล้ว

      @@angelvalle8376 Hello my fellow Stadia enthusiasts.

  • @sggsquadpresents
    @sggsquadpresents ปีที่แล้ว +21

    you can also use steam deck as a PC if you boot into the KDE environment.

    • @estherstreet4582
      @estherstreet4582 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've been using my deck that way. I've never touched a linux before but the out-of-the-box KDE environment is pretty straightforward.

    • @spaceli0n
      @spaceli0n ปีที่แล้ว

      @@estherstreet4582 kde is a rather similar de to windows, there is also linux mint for that but im a kde man.

  • @rafalxyz
    @rafalxyz ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Keep in mind that a lot of people have a work laptop (and sometimes a monitor) which they can use for anything but gaming. Steam deck compliments them well

    • @JiriMachovec
      @JiriMachovec ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly what I did. Plus the emulation on Steam deck is so comfortable, never ever seen emulation done as good as Emudeck. Even my girlfriend loves it and she doesnt even like games other than Mario Party or Sims. Might even get her a deck for Christmas or something.

    • @Gunny-rt3lb
      @Gunny-rt3lb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also if you have a work laptop and monotor, good chance you have a dock as well

    • @Daeyae
      @Daeyae ปีที่แล้ว

      So does a ds

    • @gaboversta2.423
      @gaboversta2.423 ปีที่แล้ว

      Especially since you can just get a generic USB-C dock (Anker 565 in my case, wanted that Display Port), build yourself a nice Steam Deck holder out of some cardboard and swap between laptop and steamdeck even on your desk.

    • @Cz82
      @Cz82 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gaboversta2.423 I just got a case with a built in stand but basically same setup

  • @dgamefather
    @dgamefather ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Technically this should be tested against using using the Steam Deck UI (the one that's replacing Big Picture Mode) using the Steam Controller vs the Steam Deck entirely.

    • @CLONE_IX
      @CLONE_IX ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hmmmm....Steak Deck...

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +56

    We can read books on the go since centuries. We can listen to music on the go since decades. We can watch movies on the go since years. Now, it is time that we can play games on the go with equally little compromises.
    I hope the Steam Deck 2 will become an even bigger success. To such an degree, that it really kickstarts an entire market with huge demand for these handhelds.

    • @OfficialDJSoru
      @OfficialDJSoru ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Keyword for the console fanboys, "EQUALLY LITTLE COMPROMISES"
      We know the PSP, Vita, DS family and Switch are fun machines, but they dwarf compared to these handhelds both functionally and performance wise

    • @bpdcraft
      @bpdcraft ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think the big spark is not their 2nd version of the hardware, but the proliferation of more Proton and making Steam OS distro readily available. A lot of people are asking the question "Deck Verified?" to devs more and more and they're noticing.

    • @OfficialDJSoru
      @OfficialDJSoru ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bpdcraft for the sake of consistency I also want SteamOS released for non-Deck pcs since I realized it's Arch based and I have little by little learning how that works, so if I were to use an Arch based distro, might as well keep the same distro as the Deck, cause 99% of what I do on one should then work on the other

    • @a.lollipop
      @a.lollipop ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OfficialDJSoru -you can already download steam os for anything-
      EDIT: no you can't, at least not the arch version directly from valve, i thought HoloISO was official.

    • @OfficialDJSoru
      @OfficialDJSoru ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@a.lollipop last I checked it was not the arch based version though. If the one I'm mentioning did finally come out how long has it been out?

  • @briannonfoister9686
    @briannonfoister9686 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ive been looking at options for a dorm room setup so this video is perfect ot start my search, thank you!

    • @speeddemon551
      @speeddemon551 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here! Which have you decided to go with?

  • @Sicara9
    @Sicara9 ปีที่แล้ว +352

    I would have loved to see this as a scrapyard wars where Luke or Linus just buys a second hand Aya Neo or Steam Deck and tries to wipe the floor with the other.

    • @earthling_parth
      @earthling_parth ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Oh I miss junkyard wars between Linus and Luke... I really hope they do a similar video/series after the black Friday for people who want something ultra-cheap.

    • @GrandTheftHollow
      @GrandTheftHollow ปีที่แล้ว +7

      idk how you've remembered scrapyard wars as junkyard wars, maybe because its been a long minute since...

    • @earthling_parth
      @earthling_parth ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@GrandTheftHollow oh damn. I didn't realize too 😂
      It's been a long while indeed 🥲

    • @Sicara9
      @Sicara9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@GrandTheftHollow It has definitely been a long minute. I didn't even think to double check because I 100% thought I remembered the name correctly lol

    • @Krozin
      @Krozin ปีที่แล้ว +6

      oh man i miss scrapyard wars so much

  • @TekedixXx
    @TekedixXx ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Those older dell laptops with real GPUs in them are a GREAT value. Bought the one with the desktop chip 1050 for my girlfriend, put an SSD in there and it's been great for a long time. Battery pillowed up, and the 150watt power brick is not very common, but it's been a great daily for home use. When we upgrade I'm going to de-case it and turn it into a media center/Emulation box.

  • @jesse8330
    @jesse8330 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ive always been a console guy but found myself traveling more lately and needing something more portable i ended up going the laptop route got a good deal on black friday and cant say i have any compaints

  • @CrashBashL
    @CrashBashL ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Yeah, but you have to also buy display and m&k out of the same money because Steam Deck also offer those.
    Not just the unit.

    • @MrunHide
      @MrunHide ปีที่แล้ว

      But that's what they did.

    • @jordanlazarus7345
      @jordanlazarus7345 ปีที่แล้ว

      The steam deck display is worthless, I've seen people throw away displays that look nicer than the built in screen on the steam deck, and a cheap set of peripherals is the same story.

  • @neilcressey8189
    @neilcressey8189 ปีที่แล้ว +858

    My personal experience was that I got the $399 deck and a Sandisk extreme pro 256gb for $25 on Amazon. Quite a big difference in price. Oh and a copy of the steam dock for another $25 which is perfect. And oddly enough I can run games on my full hd tv an Max and it looks insane. That’s been my experience. No regrets 😁

    • @MastaDivinity
      @MastaDivinity ปีที่แล้ว +114

      Yeah, I found it weird that Linus didn't even consider that option lmao.

    • @stansmith7445
      @stansmith7445 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The switch is LEAGUES ahead of the steam deck 😂😂😂💪🏼

    • @neilcressey8189
      @neilcressey8189 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      😂

    • @alfo2804
      @alfo2804 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Full HD? As in, 1080p on max settings? I was under the impression that the Deck can't really do more than 720p on medium for modern games.

    • @raimundasgriskaitis1140
      @raimundasgriskaitis1140 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      can you play non steam games? can you play pirated games? 40-60$ for a single game is quite the money when you are very budget focused. Can you play competitive FPS games on it. I know pirating is bad and I don't do it anymore since I got stable income, but when the only person that could buy me games was my mom and we were very poor thing were different.

  • @KingKrouch
    @KingKrouch ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One thing that I remember testing on the Steam Deck was the 120Hz refresh rate support when docked. Overwatch 2 at low/medium settings + DRS, and Tony Hawk 1+2 both played comfortably near 120FPS on the Deck, and a lot of indie games, older games, and rhythm games comfortably hit that target too. The software stack on the Steam Deck is actually really good enough for me to justify putting together an ITX rig with a spare 6700XT that I have lying around, and then installing SteamOS or HoloISO on it. Feels like HTPCs hooked up to TVs have been substandard until Valve finally released a tenfoot UI that doesn't suck (Playnite, Kodi's game section, Pegasus, Launchbox, and several others have a whole host of problems, and their UI is nowhere nearly as tightly integrated as a game console, especially on Windows), system updates aren't completely forced on you (Making the time it takes to get in-game after dealing with that and driver updates far longer), and I'd actually argue with the scaling options and gamescope, it's far easier to get games working with custom resolutions and integer scaling compared to Windows.
    The Steam Deck and SteamOS just needs a VRR toggle (Which is reportedly coming, as support has been merged in Gamescope), and HDR support when docked, and then it will be a perfectly viable option if you don't care about the five or six multiplayer games without Proton support (R6S, Fortnite, Rust, Destiny 2, Halo MCC, and Call of Duty comes to mind).

  • @wallyllaw
    @wallyllaw ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I paid Valve 400€ for Steam Deck in Finland. Also I paid 400€ for nVidia RTX 3060 non-ti, and it was by far the best value GPU you could get.
    I'd say Steam Deck value for money is simply unbeatable.

  • @BenMotionGraphics
    @BenMotionGraphics ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This is literally a stringout of ads disguised as a tech breakdown.

    • @DrivingDisasters
      @DrivingDisasters ปีที่แล้ว

      the video is an ad for the steam deck (since you can get 3050 mobile for 200$ more

  • @tomwol
    @tomwol ปีที่แล้ว +35

    maybe it'd be worth mentioning you can use any old generic usb-c hdmi hub? They can be gotten for like 20$

    • @TomeczekH
      @TomeczekH ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Most of them are actually a generic usb graphic card that may not work properly with linux. I had a dock that uses same gpu as dell's docks and with Arch-based KDE on xorg it was not usable. Yes, it kind of worked but because of frame rate mismatch and other problems it started tearing and lost responsiveness. If the monitor in dock was the only output it dropped xorg's frame rate to 1fps.
      DisplayPort hubs usually don't have this problem because DP is driven by the computer. HDMI is driven by the hub and sometimes cause problems.

    • @traniel123456789
      @traniel123456789 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomeczekH Are they? In my experience the ones that act as a graphics card (like displaylink ones) are more expensive. You notice this when you try to plug in more than 4 monitors to a laptop.

  • @LiquidusSnakeX
    @LiquidusSnakeX ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Man Linus is really man handling the stuff in this video. That poor PC got slammed down so many times.

  • @charleswinslow9917
    @charleswinslow9917 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been using the deck for work for almost a year. You can do multiple system on it by simply switch your portable SSD with system build in. Work just fine with basic PS AI and other video editing software. The customization is great. I can just take it off the dock and use it for gaming or as small pad. Or I can dock it to use it as a PC for both gaming and working.

  • @hypothalamusjellolap8177
    @hypothalamusjellolap8177 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The AMD RX 6600 or Intel arc 750 are the only budget cards imho. Good performance and efficiency, cheaper to save on those power bills and psu size.

  • @jamesthompson472
    @jamesthompson472 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I picked up the Steam Deck Dock recently and I love it. Not only because it allows me to hook up the Deck to my monitor, but also because of the USC-C I can use it to connect my work laptop too. It's also priced very competitively when compared to other USB-C adapters

    • @eric-.
      @eric-. ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What do you connect it to your work laptop for? (just curious)

    • @SerCommander
      @SerCommander ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eric-. peeeeeee-rating games

    • @archduke_tips1546
      @archduke_tips1546 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@eric-. I think they mean they hook the dock into their work laptop, presumably to get use of the second monitor and peripherals

    • @alumlovescake
      @alumlovescake ปีที่แล้ว

      Considering a few cables are half the price it is not competiive

    • @tony-zw1ej
      @tony-zw1ej 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah buy $650 to game on 720p like seriously no HDR or ray tracing.? I'll stick with my ps5 4k 60fps and has both HDR and ray tracing. For $400

  • @Pro720HyperMaster720
    @Pro720HyperMaster720 ปีที่แล้ว +293

    I would’ve appreciated that you mentioned the MicroSD capabilities of the Steam Deck as a “cheap” way to expand your storage without needing to open your Steam Deck, as you can for example buy multiple good 256GB cards for not much and carry different games on them and interchange them like cartridges, if you want to expend more to have more games with you 512GB already have accesible prices in my opinion (there are also 1TB options, but the prices there are exponentially higher)

    • @Samuel.55
      @Samuel.55 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Especially since micro sd cards are one of the most discounted items during Black Friday

    • @GlorifiedGremlin
      @GlorifiedGremlin ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Yeah, steam deck clearly wins if they actually do it fairly. The 400 dollar steam deck is just as capable, and the SD reader is almost as fast as the on-board nvme storage, making the 256gb model a huge waste of money on this "budget" gaming setup lol they couldn't find a computer that could match the 400 dollar steam deck with a 50 dollar SD card, so they went up to a worse deal to even it out

    • @thevoid6756
      @thevoid6756 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the info, thats very interesting.

    • @watercat1248
      @watercat1248 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eny Tower computer have a way to expend the storege in tower computer you by able to buy 1gb around 60 to 70 box also you able to buying a SD or micro SD flash drive or even to or to add some form off explain slot that contains SD cards slot
      In few words tower computer it's just better for storage for the steam Deck
      As for the laptop the multiple laptop that you able to Chenge the internet storege but shady not every have this opinion and ther is some laptop that has SD slot by default as well and some laptop have extra nvme slot ect

    • @SukSukulent
      @SukSukulent ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@watercat1248 man idk what you did exactly but this is hard to read - did google translate failed miserably?

  • @dovakeen1179
    @dovakeen1179 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    can't wait for windows dual boot to be officialy supported by steam

  • @Tarnished707
    @Tarnished707 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can confirm that younger siblings with uneven surfaces is a problem many of us are dealing with currently.

  • @NovaIsTheBot
    @NovaIsTheBot ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Steamdeck was a great way for me to at least begin PC gaming. It's gonna hold me over until I buy all the parts for my dream PC. Plan on building it myself.even when it's done I'll still use the steamdeck as my best emulation device, and some games that are great for playing while traveling

    • @I.C.Weiner
      @I.C.Weiner ปีที่แล้ว +2

      With the crazy GPU prices I'm considering skipping my new PC build and instead go with a steam deck.

    • @Wilqu5677
      @Wilqu5677 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@I.C.Weiner just get rtx 3xxx, you dont have to get 4xxx

    • @Freakmaster480
      @Freakmaster480 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Wilqu5677 Why go nvidia when amd offeres better price to performance.

    • @NovaIsTheBot
      @NovaIsTheBot ปีที่แล้ว

      @@I.C.Weiner I don't plan on getting anything super expensive. Unless it's a last resort and I find it worth it. I don't plan on switching parts or anything for a long time anyways. As much as I'd love a 4080 or whatever. I can make due with a 3080 or even a slightly worse one until then.

    • @norkshit
      @norkshit ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Freakmaster480 price to performance =/= platform features, and nvidia has far better features

  • @LilRenlor
    @LilRenlor ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I think since you went used on the two pcs, it would have been more fair to go with the $399 steam deck with a SSD swap for like $30 and the jsaux dock for $39.99, then the steam deck has all the same compatibility, plus it's only about $470 total, plus as far as compatibility you can boot windows on a SD card and get a windows key for like $10.

    • @AdamHKatona
      @AdamHKatona ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes, but still, less than half the FPS for the same price. And you stuck with a small and low res screen or you can play at 1280x720 resolution on a 22inch monitor. And this is just now. After two or three years you can upgrade that 1070 and continue playing, but the deck will be a useless e-waste.

    • @TrevorV
      @TrevorV ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@AdamHKatona A useless e-waste? That's definitely an over-statement. Especially in "2-3 years". Maybe it won't be able to handle the latest AAA games in that time, but it will still be able to emulate consoles from PS3 back, play nearly endless indie games, and play many AAA games with settings turned down.
      To be clear, I am not saying that the 1070 isn't a better investment. I am just saying that the Steam Deck will only be e-waste if the wrong person buys it. I'll rock mine until it dies. Then, I will most likely fix it.

    • @genderender
      @genderender ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@AdamHKatona It's still a handheld ya know. I've played far more games on my deck than I have on my PC even with issues just because I have a more relaxed way to play

    • @ndperson1
      @ndperson1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@AdamHKatona I use mine for steam link, enjoy playing on it more than my gaming PC as it is portable but play everything at max

    • @raineyjayy
      @raineyjayy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AdamHKatona certainly not as if Steam doesn't release a humble bundle with games that can practically be played on a 950 GTX even still.

  • @Arthur11342
    @Arthur11342 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Things have changed a lot since this. Running Proton experimental launches pretty much every game in my steam library, Xbox cloud gaming runs flawlessly, and desktop mode actually works without taking a dump. It's really impressive how much progress they have made on SteamOS and Proton in such a short period of time.

  • @roqeyt3566
    @roqeyt3566 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well dang, this was a surprisingly fair comparison

  • @sevendaysin8374
    @sevendaysin8374 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The best part of this video is how the Steam Deck won out in the end. Love mine, and love seeing Linus give it due credit! Seriously one of the top pieces of kit I've picked up this year. Thanks, Valve! =)

  • @Miley-RayStewart
    @Miley-RayStewart ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think the deck is doing a wonderful job. You still have to see, that all of this is coming out of a little 10 watt apu and for that I think it is astonishingly powerful.

  • @Fluff3H
    @Fluff3H ปีที่แล้ว +24

    couldve saved roughly $100 USD (i think ish) if you went 10th gen i3, naturally there is some performance loss but youd only be looking at 2 maybe 3 frames when paired with a 1070.

    • @hebl47
      @hebl47 ปีที่แล้ว

      100 USD? How exactly if the CPU they used was already only 109$? And those LGA 1200 motherboards are only like 20$ cheaper than LGA 1700 ones.

    • @Fluff3H
      @Fluff3H ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hebl47 by going to an i3.

    • @hebl47
      @hebl47 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Fluff3H They already did use an i3. i3-12100F, costing $108.99. Timestamp: 1:48. So I ask again - where's that 100 USD save you're talking about? Or do you know of an i3 that costs 10 bucks?

  • @faeranne
    @faeranne ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Watch Valve have a fix for the keyboard login here in a few days. They have been pushing update after update since this launched, and it's amazing. I also noticed you didn't mention that the Dock is not the only option, as just about any usb-c hub works shockingly well.

    • @Croga
      @Croga ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Be very careful with "just about any usb-c hub".... Any of them that use DisplayLink will not work. You need a dock that uses DP-alt-mode otherwise the steam deck will not be able to use the attached screen. Most cheap docks use DisplayLink.

    • @papabear9938
      @papabear9938 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bought one from Walmart for 20 bucks and it's been fantastic

  • @superbrain3848
    @superbrain3848 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    im quite suprised by how powerful the steamdeck is.
    i run mine as a Emulation machine and it does it suprisingly well, even with the overhead from Emulation.

    • @aaronwilliams4151
      @aaronwilliams4151 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m thinking of doing the same. What storage size did you buy? I heard that some apps don’t only download to the SD card and was curious on if the 64gb was enough

    • @superbrain3848
      @superbrain3848 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aaronwilliams4151 i did went for the 512GB version, but i run my ROMs mostly on a 512GB SD card, so the 64GB version should work

  • @ThatOneRightThere
    @ThatOneRightThere ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don’t know if I’m ready to get one of these handhelds yet, looking forward to their specs and performance increasing in the years to come through!

  • @kettlesownchannelfinally2539
    @kettlesownchannelfinally2539 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    if the pc is meant to compete with the steam deck wouldn't it make more sense to use linux than windows ?

  • @Naultarous
    @Naultarous ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My primary use of my Steamdeck is with it's dock on my lunch break at work. Plus it's a great option for streaming binge shows in desktop mode. Well worth every $ so far.

  • @SukSukulent
    @SukSukulent ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I like how you just go through the options, show them all, point out few key details, than make small conclusion but every viewer can make their conclusion themselves as it fits their needs and abilities. Great!

  • @TheInfinite444
    @TheInfinite444 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    unlike regular PCs like windows and mac. Valve said they are continuing updating the steam deck original until people no longer uses it

  • @HistoryBluff137
    @HistoryBluff137 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This just validates my recent second hand purchase of a pristine Steam Deck, case, charger, and official dock for a total of $200.

    • @bazwav
      @bazwav 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      FB marketplace? And what GB config? That’s insane man nice find!

  • @roonilwazlib4921
    @roonilwazlib4921 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I just got my steam deck 3 days ago and I gotta say it's perfect for everything I need. Just got a cheap usb-c dongle to plug in my monitor and use my bluetooth keyboard and mouse. The portability factor is great and it plays all of my games at 1080p 60. For my daily use there's nothing in this price point with as many of my boxes checked. After seeing the comperable hardware in this price point I'm even happier with my purchase.

  • @M_LittleRivers
    @M_LittleRivers ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:36 Looks like I found a new notification ringtone for me.

  • @WV-HillBilly
    @WV-HillBilly ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I love how he completely dismisses the idea of putting a controller in the laptop bag as if a controller weighs 50lbs or something. :D

  • @Juancam132
    @Juancam132 ปีที่แล้ว

    And cool thing is the devs are already working on improvements for the second device

  • @SSCEurobeat
    @SSCEurobeat ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The big thing is that Valve guarantees it's price in every single region and in the case of my country (Czech Republic) they even eat up the 21% VAT to ensure the same price. Building the mentioned PC in Europe is pretty much impossible with the prices here.

    • @capsulate8642
      @capsulate8642 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Valve must be taking a pretty deep loss on the $400 model if they cover VAT too, that's nuts.

    • @chillhour6155
      @chillhour6155 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah here in South Africa we also got that high VAT tax, shts for mostly everywhere it seems

    • @alexamderhamiltom5238
      @alexamderhamiltom5238 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HOLY SHIT 21%VAT, hace you consider arming your population to take back your freedom?

    • @thelakeman2538
      @thelakeman2538 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@capsulate8642 almost all current console hardware is sold on a loss or breakeven with the expectation that the game/subscription money will more than make up for it. Steam takes a 30% cut on all steam transactions so they can more than make up for that.

    • @capsulate8642
      @capsulate8642 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thelakeman2538 Yeah, but considering it can also run Windows/Linux and most buyers probably already have Steam libraries built up, it's a bold move.
      I'd probably just run windows and play non-steam games most of the time if I had one.

  • @dominicaccardo8050
    @dominicaccardo8050 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    happy 15 million team!! so proud of y’all

  • @HolidayAtHome
    @HolidayAtHome ปีที่แล้ว +12

    using mine for ( mostly 2d ) indi titles that don't release on Switch. Cloudpunk on the Stamdeck is even more beatitful that on Switch. So more power than I need =D 256GB Storage is also more than enough for that

  • @Kotal239
    @Kotal239 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seeing that "Activate Windows" really gave me some pre-Windows 8 PTSD, where you just kept a book full of keys

  • @Tech.Closet
    @Tech.Closet ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Amazing Video, Good Job👍

  • @Games-tx1zc
    @Games-tx1zc ปีที่แล้ว +82

    I'd argue that at 450 bucks the Steam Deck base model, plus an SD card wins out heavily in value

    • @TheSonics11
      @TheSonics11 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeah that's what many people do buying a steamdeck, idk why Linus just dismissed it at the start saying no one buys it...

    • @furretsunereli3911
      @furretsunereli3911 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Impossible to compete + emmc storage is not the fastest. SD card is relative of course

    • @NerdRise
      @NerdRise ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The SD card reader is slow as butts. I would not want to load all my AAA games off of it.

    • @kingofthenerds4708
      @kingofthenerds4708 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      loading a AAA game off an sd card in the steam deck would be like trying to play mozart on a kazoo....it may work eventually but the time wasted and experience had will not be a good one.

    • @Games-tx1zc
      @Games-tx1zc ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@kingofthenerds4708 incorrect. It's not crazy fast but I just played God Of War on it and life was good.

  • @eugkra33
    @eugkra33 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Linus called it the 12100kf by mistake no once, but multiple times.

  • @vinceomega4839
    @vinceomega4839 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    as someone who went from laptop gaming, to pc gaming, as well as owning a nintendo switch, I tend to use pc more than the others because of the control you have, as well as now having your controls right next to your screen

  • @JonathanDavidsonn
    @JonathanDavidsonn ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I challenged myself to run the steamdeck as my daily computer for a whole month and the only thing I had problems with was running niche programs made back in 2013 I had used for some of my programming projects.
    I actually really enjoyed using it, it was amazing, I had small issues. Mostly yuzu emulation I had problems with, I think the FSR injected into the graphics system for the emulation and caused a lot of shader issues on a few small titles I had wanted to play, works fine on my PC, but the steamdeck was just absolutely not having it.
    After following difficult to understand guides on how to install things like league of legends, it...ran amazing! I played runescape, league, space engineers, terraria, phantasy star online 2 (which took a lot of effort to work), they all did it's job!!
    I think it's like...a step forward but a step backwards, it gives you a GREAT computer for it's size, but we're going back in terms of user experience, it reminds me of windows XP, or even windows 98 where there were things you had to manually do to get software/hardware to even function, like signing your USB devices, or manually assigning a DHCP address because your router didn't do it. It's kinda like those small annoyances but in a different flavour.

  • @JasonFowler
    @JasonFowler ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I own one and have a Jsaux dock. I use it as my primary gaming machine. New World is playing near 60 outside cities and 45+ in cities. I've played in wars, pvp and large pve battles. It's super good. Great purchase!

  • @adriabruicortes490
    @adriabruicortes490 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was the smoothest segway to the sponsor I've ever seen.

  • @elladar2
    @elladar2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Linus, that PC you´ve built to compare vs the Steamdeck is the exact PC most people in Argentina can afford (2 months of salary)... Blessed peronism -.-

  • @cmac3530
    @cmac3530 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My steam deck w/ a dock/KVM has almost replaced my gaming PC. If I'm just browsing the web/youtube or playing a lighter game I'm using that instead of powering up my full gaming PC. I only use the full PC when I want to play a AAA game on the full size screen.
    It started as a way to cut down on the heat generated in my house this past summer so I could used the A/C less and now with the price of energy skyrocketing it's still helping me keep the bills down this winter. I love this thing so much.

    • @drackar
      @drackar ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In winter, that heat is a side benefit, tho.

    • @cmac3530
      @cmac3530 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drackar It is for when it's actually needed to be running but, let's be honest; There's no way heating my house by running my PC when it's not in use (or just being used to browse the internet) is more efficient than just letting my actual heating system do it.
      Plus, it only really heats the room the PC is in. Meaning it just ends up being hot in that one room instead of actually heating your home evenly.

    • @drackar
      @drackar ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cmac3530 depends on your heating system. The heat output of a PC in use is just as effective as an electric space heater.

    • @cmac3530
      @cmac3530 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drackar Exactly, "In Use". I said running it when it would not normally be needed. (i.e. at idle state) Obviously when I'm using it for a stressful application it needs to be on anyway so I might as well use the heat it produces but, otherwise I'll let my actual home heating system do it.
      And like I stated before. Just like a space heater it only heats one room. Maybe you're different but, to me, as a person that runs hot as it is, that is undesirable.

  • @antalbojtos4413
    @antalbojtos4413 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hey! Great video. I would have loved to see side by side FPS comparisons for the Steam Deck, Desktop and Laptop. Thanks for doing this!

  • @007spudmanSpudsArmy
    @007spudmanSpudsArmy ปีที่แล้ว

    I own a PC and a steam deck and they are both the best things I own. Love the Steam Deck so much!

  • @kevinschmidt9482
    @kevinschmidt9482 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just picked up a ROG zephyrus g15 w/3070 for $750 open box from best buy. Just took it on my first work trip and I'm very impressed. Thanks to USB PD support it will even go about 5 hours of full power gaming on a plane.

  • @JerziTBoss
    @JerziTBoss ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2 things about the PC.
    1) you can easily game on 1060 6GB without issues which is cheaper than 1070 and you can buy faster SSD even though SATA SSD is still plenty fast for a lot of people.
    2) Since steamdeck is running Steam OS you can install linux distro on the PC(POP OS maybe Steam OS in time) and you'll get same compatibility as with Steam Deck and you still can do most of the basic tasks on that PC.

    • @dirlrido2522
      @dirlrido2522 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@randommcranderson5155 To get the advantages of Linux

  • @JrueMango
    @JrueMango ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Cannot wait to get a Steamdeck. It's been the next thing on my list all year!

  • @ScottRidesHonda
    @ScottRidesHonda ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't be the only one who feels like I'm getting the raid shadow legends strongarm from jackery.

  • @PainfullySoberAndUnhinged
    @PainfullySoberAndUnhinged 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Deck and Deck Oled are actually good value!!! Its awsome.

  • @savageApostle
    @savageApostle ปีที่แล้ว +25

    For the record, LTT backpack does fit the FormD T1 almost perfectly! Will make flying home to see the boys for LAN parties doable! 😁