The Failure of Dashcon: Q & A
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- An overdue Q & A about the "The Failure of Dashcon".
Internet Historian and Internet Herstorian go through your questions and comments and fill you in on some additional information that didn't make the original cut.
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dashcon took place like 8 minutes away from me, i couldve experienced history
anjcats same
tfw no jumping in the pit
like 45 minutes away from me
you could’ve gotten an extra hour in the ball pit
Same here but even I wouldn’t want to spend 65$ to witness this lol
the fact that a gay mexican dude caught death threats from the crowd about his race/sexual orientation in a panel about prejudice on that very topic is mindblowing.
it's priceless, really. "we understand the problem! we understand it, because we are it!"
MeToo was the biggest among people who use casting couches too. Almost as if people are most concerned with the issues that are the most prevalent in their own lives.
Iirc, the hate wasn't actually from the attendees, but from people on tumblr who were not at the convention. Pretty early on (for obvious reasons), tumblr caught wind that the con was going badly, and a number of users jumped to turn on it by spreading rumors about why it was bad and everyone should have known better than to go. I specifically remember rumors about the people running lgbt panels being straight and fetishizing queerness, and about adult panels letting in minors. It took a while after the con ended for truth and rumors to start to untangle. Weird shit all around.
The woke crowd is always rabid for something to tear down. Most of the time the demand for racism exceeds the supply so they turn on the one they deem the least woke among them. Whatever it takes to virtue signal.
@@zackzittel7683 When you can't find any real enemies, people slightly different from you will do just as well. Even in the Guelph-Ghibelline feud, when the latter were driven out of Florence, the Guelphs soon split into radical and moderate factions, the latter taking the role of the old Ghibellines.
@@ingold1470 yup! Look at Linsday Ellis!
A Reddit convention sounds like it would be the most toxic, insufferable weekend in recent history.
KolonaRulez or a *4chan* con
Xander_VH 4chan wouldnt even have a convention even if they had the opportunity to have one. They'd jusg shut it down
@@xander_vh that would be....interasting...i guess?
There have been reddit meet ups! Theyll set it up in major cities and usually take a group picture afterward for posterity. Some of the pictures are uh...well, its reddit.
@@xander_vh 4Chan kind of had a convention back in the day. The first two years of ROFLCON were pretty channer-centered, with the last convention opening up to internet memes as a whole.
29:00 I used to work at a Marriott and I can confirm. Marriott seriously doesn't care what gets hosted. If administration contracted with a group of organizers then that was that. We had furries, pimp conventions, BDSM conventions, porn conventions, wrestling conventions. It was just another day in the hotel industry for us.
hm. sounds fun. do you know hotels (in the same price rage) that actually care?
How long where you an employee there?
calistman222 pimp conventions???
Tell me more about the pimp conventions.
Imagiman i thought they rented a giant mansion for a day and then did it?
Actually, Super Who Lock is a combination of Superman, Horton Hears a Who, and the Hurt Locker
The Dirty Bubble thank you. This is the most uplifting comment of all the degeneracy that is this comment section
This is the first time a long time that a TH-cam comment made me actually made me laugh out loud. Bravo!
I might actually consider being a part of such a fandom.
SkyHazel I am a part of this fandom
dudee roachdoggjr my boy
"These hotels will book a BDSM convention next to a wedding. They don't care!"
I'd watch that movie.
toratsubasa91 There was an Anime Con booked booked alongside a Veteran Meet up.
cesariojpn I'm not even joking, at my high school prom I rode the elevator with a couple going to the bdsm convention
Shelby Rose shoulda' changed how the evening was going right then and there.
four weddings and a bondage, calling it.
toratsubasa91 Gagged and bound til death do us part
Dashcon. Not the con that Tumblr wanted, but the con that Tumblr deserved.
Extremely accurate
Tumblweeds.
Perhaps that was too humble for such an amazing con?
Yes. Leftists wasting money and conning other leftists for that money
And they were lucky!
Hahahaha
"I am internet historian,
This is internet HERstorian"
Subscribed
Yeah that was clever
Not bad. Same same.
Hot
It’s actually HER torian. No s
@@theworstcombination8702 Herstorian. Read the description.
Okay so I was an avid tumblr user back when dashcon was just a post saying "hey wouldn't a tumblr con be cool" (no), when it was being planned, when it was happening, and when it failed. Here are some things I remember that I don't think have been mentioned.
1. They wanted to represent every single fandom. Every possible niche fandom. So they had like "committees" on tumblr who were responsible for the organization of panels, booking guests, fundraising etc. Also, dashcon officials didn't vet their committee members so they literally had 13/14 year olds planning their convention.
2. They promised to give back money to people who donated the 17,000. There was a website you could go to and everything, but you had to prove it with paypal receipts. Also, if anyone donated cash during the con they were screwed, because money was collected in bags and no IDs were checked. So good luck on your refund.
3. There were a lot of panels. There were "adult only" panels such as the BDSM panel. Those were supposed to be 18+, but they weren't doing a lot of gate-keeping so a lot of underage kids got into the explicit panels.
I remember eating up all the dashcon drama and just watching it all turn to shit over the course of that weekend and then reading up on all the discourse and horror stories that followed. I didn't think any experience could top that, until Fyre festival. I feel like I'm in a time warp haha
Turquoise Cheetah shhhh it's tumblr, logic doesn't work here
Tits or gtfo
Namuh Jehff , nah, go back to 4chan, your trolling isn't up to snuff.
@Turquoise Cheetah pedos had and maybe still have a small community on Tumblr. They call themselves MAPs (minors attracted persons). Tumblr has it all, heh 😂
I was there at the time too, and it was amazing to watch as it happened. It was like when I was on /x/ when Ben Drowned was happening, that was a lot of fun to be present for as it was progressing. But whereas that was more like a creative endeavour everyone joined in on, Dashcon was more like the traffic disaster from the beginning of Final Destination 2 but extended to the full length of the movie and played gradually over the course of the weekend. IT. WAS. FABULOUS.
"By the way, this is a billion dollar company"
This quote did not age well
Why? You're saying people didn't stick around after Tumblr dropped the 18+ policy?
@@KyanNezhad people left in mass exodus after the banning of nsfw content. With less people using your site, the value of the site goes down. In Tumblr's case, WAY down.
@@KyanNezhad Tumblr was sold for a paltry 3 millions dollars. It was once valued at 1.1 Billion. This is a gross loss of 99.8 percent.
@@thegamingvampire5858 They flocked to twitter instead which is why it's such a utter hellscape
SPQR - my fave thing is that when all the nsfw artists and people went to twitter- so did a LOT of the people on tumblr who were against nsfw content. So tumblr ppl got what they wanted, a sfw platform to reee on, but tons got bored and moved to twitter so they could argue all day. It’s hilarious.
Two years ago, a small town in North Carolina launched their own Bigfoot festival. They planned small and found they had something like 20 times the number of people show up as expected. They made huge bank and simply planned bigger and succeeded because of it.
Did saxsquatch show up?
@@eddixon2015 nah but the ufo’s did. I’d know, I was the festival
@@rt3chikin413 [dramatic gasp]
@JoyAnimations West of Durham. I really want to go this year.
@@rt3chikin413 festival kin.
I mean, they never actually lied imo. They conned then dashed
And it CONned them out of money. Dashcon ia perfect.
@@Gatorade69 ... That's the OP's joke.
🤣
Why are you dating a 3D girl?
too be fair the arrangement is that she has to be dressed as a 2D girl at all times.
He's doing it for scientific research, meme science.
Yeah he has to confirm that 2D>3D somehow.
men are 4D, so its ok to date 3D women
...WE ONLY HAVE ONE D M8-
FUCK ARE MY JOKES JUST CANCEROUS!!!!
FYRE FESTIVAL IS ACTUALLY WORSE THAN DASHCON. HOLY SHIT WE NEED AN EPISODE ON IT.
Jensi Oquendo it is a top meme but we should keep in mind that one was organised by a secret communist mastermind to strike at the bourgeoisie and one was a bunch of retarded teens trying to make their gay con.
Ahckmed Kebabobab still need a video. But when Internet Historian is ready.
Jensi Oquendo *internet historian* "hold my beer"
He's done it
Amish Supercomputer Nope. Tumblr is too incompetent to be even a communist "mastermind"
Edit: nevermind, I misread.
To answer the question "how did they come up with the topics" they're everything that was popular on tumblr. Superwholock, WTNV, homestuck (the people dressed up as "devils"), and LGBT. I wasn't shocked by the selection but then again I use the hell site. You also forgot the screenshots of how dysfunctional the staff were and how they fell apart long before the con started
im pretty sure homestuck and superwholock were declining in popularity anyways by the time dashcon happened, it was just being supported by the fandoms
I snuck into dashcon and I still feeled cheated. And it wasn't what I didn't pay for.
Tell me more
@@nman551i dont think he will
I attended DashCon. I have some videos from the big group stuff and one panel (My Wife's Panel on Star Trek Fashion). Her panel was very good and was supposed to be on the night when they pulled us all into the big meeting room.
She had prepared hard for the panel so we went and commandeered a panel room and she did her panel for a few friends that had also attended.
How did it feel to have attended a shit show?
Did she get paid?
@@LeaderPenguin knowing this con...not a fucking chance.
Please tell us more about your experience
Tell the comment section more
The story I keep finding funny is how people who have been on tumblr since before dashcon talk about how it "killed" superwholock. Like Superwholock was by far the most popular fandom/community on the site back in 2012/2013. The fans dominated every conversation and inserted themselves into every discussion and post, talking about one of the three shows, even when posts weren't about superwholock at all. For normal users superwholockians were the most annoying and infuriating part of the site. And then... it just vanished. People say that the fandom, and the general toxicity and policing that was associated with it, was practically wiped out by dashcon (even though it totally still exists), because these naive teenagers and young people saw for themselves, in real life, just how insane and toxic their community was.
Toxic and policing fandoms and communities still exist on the site; Steven Universe and Voltron are the worst offenders (at least from more recent years). But nothing comes close to how pervasive and monolithic Superwholock was at its peak.
Beach2Beach the amount of Homestuck trolls in Dashcon just made it so they blended in with everyone else
So what you're saying is that if we want to kill the su and voltron fandom, we should make a dashcon 🤔
Supernatural should have ended at season 5.
dc 30 tumblr lore
@Sabrina O'Neil and it is. The only reason people stick with it is for the porn. Thus the mass exodus to twitter once they banned NSFW contents.
I think the reason they never got sued is because the people who went to dashcon are the same people who are too nervous to tell a waiter that they brought out the wrong food to the table
Regardless of how good the case is, no lawyer will help sue a poor person. If the defendant cannot possible pay whatever damages are sought (plus legal fees) then even if they win the case there's no gain for anyone.
Hey I'd be too nervous to tell the waiter my chicken is raw, but don't you accuse me of going to dashcon
I agree with the Historian at 4:50-ish. If they wanted to run a big convention and had no experience, they should have worked their way up first. Get their feet wet by trying to run a small local con first, see how it goes, get a better feel for how the logistics of it works.
But no, they decided to jump in the deep end without learning to swim. So they drowned.
Do you understand just how stupid and non-functioning these types are? I don't think so.
Most of the staffers would have been happy to do that. They were reassured by the core scammers that this was way better and would totally be fine, and being largely a bunch of teens with no con experience beyond attending them, they had no specific reason to disbelieve them before it started breaking down.
Would you rather go to Dashcon or RainFurrest 2015?
RainFurrest was a furry convention (which already sounds like oodles of fun) that slowly broke down over the course of a weekend while attendees documented its decomposition at the Seattle Airport Hilton.
It started out like any normal furry convention - you know, adults who identify with animals and dress up in giant animal suits just hanging out with each other. But then the fur parade began. Proud furries showed off their carefully-crafted costumes for friends and families and hotel guests, a colorful march of foxes, wolves, lions, tigers, bears, and rubber horses dressed like gimps with ball gags and straps. "Think of the children," saner furries tweeted, but they were too late, for one of Hell's gateways had already been opened.
The babyfurs appeared - not babies dressed like baby foxes, but grown men and women who identified as animals and babies. They wore their diapers like a badge of honor. "We are part of this community!" they proclaimed. "And we will march with pride with our brothers and sisters!" The Hilton halls were filled with the sound of crinkling diapers and furious tweeting as the RainFurrest took to their phones to feebly and passive aggressively try to control the situation.
The babyfurs had different standards for public conduct. They began to defecate freely in their diapers, discarding used ones, preparing new ones, showing more hairy skin than a five-year-old should see before he discovers the internet. Diapers littered the floor and grounds; go ahead and try to clean them up, but you may find out too late the lonely diaper you've found has a surprise inside.
Slowly, madness took its toll. The pool was closed - someone had shit in it. The hot tub was closed - someone had stuffed towels into its jets, breaking it. The lobby bathroom flooded. Someone carved a glory hole into the stalls. Someone pulled the fire alarm. The exhausted hotel staff demanded the convention organizers seize the reins. Someone pulled the fire alarm again.
Some furries began to cry, lamenting their home and refuge and community could let them down so much. Some furries laughed. Many got drunk. Many got high. And deep within those halls, in the corners so far the shrill alarms were only a soft buzz, primal sex devoured bed sheets and table lamps and naked flesh.
The hotel did not invite them back for 2016
SGE Drew HOLY SHIT
This is why I don't go to furry conventions even though I'm a furry.
They're full of lil' shits like this that are precisely the reason the internet hates them. I don't give a flying fuck what you do in your bedroom, but for fuck's sake don't go frolicking about in bondage straps and a diaper.
SGE Drew purge
Please, dear Historian, make a video on that. Please. I need details so much. (Also: fuck the ABDL, furry or not they are fucking scum. I haven't seen a more entitled, annoying community ever.)
+Username McUsernameface
ABSOLUTELY agree. I remember once a babyfur posted a picture of them wearing a diaper into an SFW casual furry chat and my girlfriend took issue with it. She asked for them to take it down or, at the least, move it to the NSFW chat.
The babyfur then went and got their 'mamafur' (what the fuck is this community) and they used professional mental acrobatics to accuse my girlfriend of being discriminatory and closed-minded because she's taking issue with something that they enjoy, even though he posted a fucking picture of himself wearing a diaper in *an SFW chat.*
Sure, if it was in an NSFW chat, then you could go by the mantra "don't like it; ignore it" and I'd have no problem with that, but the fact that they think a picture of them in a diaper is SFW solely because it doesn't depict genitalia or mammaries is the most idiotic thing in the world. And the fact that they have the sheer audacity to call anyone who doesn't want to see them in a fucking diaper a horrible person causing them emotional trauma by 'kinkshaming' them is atrocious.
Being a furry, there are very few niche communities that I despise given that in most cases people hate groups solely because they don't like what they enjoy. However, there are a few that are genuinely just horrible, self-entitled and egocentric people. ABDL is one of them.
Dashcon 2: Shitlord Boogaloo
thats gonna be the name of my next Con-Con
*** *** Ballpit Strikes Back!
Turn it into deathcon
Dash Con: The Last Ball Pit
Is that a It’s Always Sunny reference lmao
so I was a vendor at dashcon - and I can confirm that there was not a ton of cash donations. They literally had a hat/bag going around (I didn't donate, they already got enough of my money) and it was NOT full. And yes, during the convention there was not a lot of truth happening, and the only link we had to what was happening WAS the staff/organizers.
For those who haven't seen, the girl who originally had the idea for Dashcon made a video about it. So to answer the cash donation question there was 3000 dollars according to her donated in cash. She was the one who carried the donation bag and she counted the money, and it was around 3000 dollars. However the organizers said that they reached the 17,000 dollars before they had counted the money, which means they must have already had 17,000 in online payments combined with the money they had before counting the money in the bag, however the donation list says the cash donations was where they made most their money. This would then be completly impossible. 'Cause if you make most your money in cash donations, but haven't counted the cash donations; how do you know you've reached you goal?
Hmm.. It smells a little bit like the cash donations weren't needed yet we're pocket by the organizers anyway.
Really appropiate timing with Fyre Festival a.k.a. Dashcon 2.0 being fresh in everyone's heads
Its only been a few weeks and you already got a sidekick
chris falcone and she isn't boring!
She (male)
All I hear is a man talking to his sandwich maker.
no wonder he has a girlfriend. anyone could want a guy with a voice like that!
He does have a lovely voice, doesn't he?
Right!?
IKR
Andddd he has an accent lol double threat
@Fupus we never got to experience anything other than his voice
Modus Operandi is latin for "manner of the doing," "mode of operating." You can have an MO for something you do only once. Colloquially, it means a specific plan for a specific situation, whether the situation is expected or unexpected.
Thanks.
I disagree that the con wasn't the fault of the staff. The board were absolute incompetents and actually _defended_ staffers as well as attendees for sexual assault, drugs, and anything else. They refused to be transparent with anybody and refused to kick anyone from the con, no matter how atrocious their behavior.
Ding ding ding.
Drugs?
strangebrew420 rainfurest always had a problem with drugs, the people behind the con would really only let offenders off with a slap on the wrist most of the time. This was a problem because other people who used drugs just saw this as a con in which it would be a lot safer and less risky to use drugs in, which lead to more people doing the same.
Basically, they started tolerating behavior that most cons consider unacceptable, this was a problem because some people saw the way this was being ran by the staff (people not getting kicked out when they should) and was a decent contributor to hotel chains refusing to host dash con.
Remember, these hotels have reputations to uphold, if news gets out that they host bad conventions that have cases of assault, sexual assault, destruction of property, and just disturbing other guests, that could really make other customers think twice about going there.
@@Redbird-dh7mu Yuuuuuup. There's a REASON those disruptive attendees were banned from other cons. These people were ASKING for trouble.
Ball Pit and Bouncy Castle? Who were they appealing to, kids who just got out of pre-school?
Yeah.
I'm not gonna pretend I don't still find ball pits and bouncy castles fun.
Bouncy castle? That’s a bit too out of budget
i mean, tumblr IS some preschoolers on the internet
Tumbler people are basically that
Anyone who thinks a collective sigh is a sufficient explanation and reaction to organizer incompetence, should not be organizing anything bigger than a bowel movement.
They'd probably mess up that bowel movement too, if it wasn't a proper shape to represent LGBTQQIP2SAA+
funniest thing to me is that the fanbases didn't even ruin the con, the hosts did
I really like these Q&As, they make the original vids much more interesting
Very much agree
Wait, isn't emoticon just the old term for emojis? I grew up calling them emoticons and still do so out of reflex to this day
Terry Coyle I'm fairly sure emoticons are :D :) etc. Emojis are a brand name for the symbols. Not really sure tho.
I guess it's because some old programs, MSN Messenger in particular, would default the characters into the icons?
Yeah, that's the old name for them. Some devices/websites and whatnot still call them emoticons. It makes more sense than 'emoji'
Emoticon = emotion icon
Emoji = ???
M. I. Wright emotion kanji
Emoticon is the smiley yellow head.
I am an Australian lawyers about 10 years in. An agreement can be formed without a title Contract. Reduces to writing is easier for evidence (eg emails). Immediately enforceable is usually what I am looking for (ie no more negotiations without new consideration). Love the content. Xo
Ye, might be the case for Australia, but might be different in America. Not sure how much overlay in terms of this has with Australian and American law
@@nathanwurtz268 , happy to hear from Yanks. But given the history of contract law and that we are both common law countries. My guess is similar save for statutory intervention.
I'm not a lawyer but I have taken college law classes in the USA and it does work the same. A legally binding agreement doesn't have to be in a written contract but it helps for proof and a better understanding of what was agreed upon
Oral contracts f. e. when you go to the supermarket etc. You go to the cashier „I‘d like to buy this stuff“,cashier says „that will cost X amount of money“, you pay, thereby fulfilling your part of the agreement, they let you leave with the product, fulfilling their part.
Oral contracts are literally everywhere, we just don‘t realize it since we „don‘t see the forest for all the trees“. Young children enter these contracts when they buy sweets or a comic book. That there are legal rules around it is quasi unnoticeable. Unless you try to steal something, THEN it‘s pretty obvious. =D
As someone who hangs out on tumblr mainly for fandom stuff I never fully understood why tumblr has such a reputation.
After watching this Q&A I went "Ah. Now I get it."
Necro comment but I used to feel the same way about Twitter until I saw people lose their shit with an amateur photographer for posting a photo of a hummingbird. His front lawn was visible, and for some people that's as bad as being an oil magnate.
Holy shit it’s C Puff!! I just recently discovered you’re channel cause of Velma lol
@@ZardZardPowerRangerwait what?
@@matthewmcguire1953 Yeah lawns are super bad for the environment, but at the same time American HOAs tend to require your yard look pretty. So a lot of homeowners won't let their yard go wild with native plant species, so they don't lose their homes. But like with every other issue, environmentalism has online slacktivists that confuse screaming online with helping, so you'll sometimes get shit if you post a picture of your lawn online.
Have you tried to contact the photography group that filmed the convention to get the footage?
Fun Fact: Harold lives in Hungary
Harungary
if harold ever appears in a movie i dont want his real voice, i want you to voice him cause now that ive watched you a few months long i cant imagine someone elses voice with that face
He did a TED talk, he has a strong Hungarian accent
im a huge fan of WTNV (i saw them live for my birthday a few years ago) and they all seem like such nice people! i feel so bad that they had to go through that shit, they were clearly being super generous and trusting and were screwed over.
The most disturbing part is dashcon trying to make WTNV the villains when telling the congoers the event wasn't happening.
They were, and they were really kind and apologetic to the fans in the aftermath of it all.
ask her for marriage already
ya nimrod
Luiz Gustavo Murales Oh
+nintendoluigi 1. What shit? 2. They're already in a committed relationship, they just aren't married.
Nimrod was an ancient hunter king.
Luiz Gustavo Murales sometimes marriage isn’t worth it, it could cost too much, don’t have the time, too lazy, etc.
ur kidding right
Oh hey, that me! Yeah one of the things that happened is that.. I think a webcomic artist(cant remember her name for the life of me) was also abandoned and couldn't find a place to stay, so she stayed with the WTNV people and had a blast with them.
Next talk about Las Pegasus Unicon. Please, that's the bigger shitshow. pleasseeee.
Aand another edit: It was in Evansville, Indiana for emoticon, my friend almost went for shits and giggles.
Yamlicious dude I found your comment right when you came up in the video
Yamlicious What happened in Evansville lol?
What happened at las pegasus unicon?
What DIDN'T happen at Las Pegasus? More or less, it was the dashcon of My Little Pony...but worse.
I lived an hour away from Evansville, IN for most of my young life. Being a city in very rural Indiana, I can only imagine what happened. LOL! I would have gone with Indianapolis.
shoutout to night vale for doing some stuff that was promised without payment that was promised to them, and being the better people when the dashcon committee tried to throw them under the bus and forced the bill onto them
The Night Vale crew is pretty chill from what Ive seen of them, so Im not really surprised.
Mind you I've only met them in person twice at a much better run con, but they struck me in the few moments of talking as legit so.
M.O. is short for "modus operandi" which is defined as: "a particular way or method of doing something, especially one that is characteristic or well-established." When describing how one could get piss into the ball pit undetected, Mr. Historian used "M.O." correctly. It would not be anyone's specific M.O., just one that would achieve the goals as assumed.
I pissed in the ball pit.
Ball pit was an inside job.
I hope this is real
Why doe?
my man
Ball pit closed do to aids
wait fuck that's his real voice? i thought he was a text to speech program this whole time
This is text to speech, he’s a very expensive voccaloid.
I have a feeling his voice is so unique that I’d recognize him if I was standing next to him at the grocery checkout.
@@garnetnard4284 it's called a kiwi accent
@@isaak9879 No. It's Australian
@@manflabs5209 - then why has he stated that he is a New Zealander? Is the Internet Historian a liar?
I'd pay to get a tanacon video from this channel
I can make it happy if I can get $5000 dollars in my donation sack, PayPal is okay too
What's there even to talk about?
@@HerohammerStudios I'm pretty hopeful but you know what you're kinda right. Everyone has talked about it anyway, but maybe in a few years... who knows. All that Tanacondom shit was pretty wild lmao
@@ssychostella yeah, Tanacon was like a lite version of this... Tbh she may have even gotten the idea from this! Lol
“The hotel is racist”
**pauses video during a shot of the sea of people**
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Jesus, a meme/internets high-grade shitposting channel (no offense) does better investigation and journalism than the average news website.
Better investigations and journalism than most mainstream million dollar news networks. But we all know why, only 5 company's are responsible for every piece of 90% of media on the planet. All those company's owners are friends and luciferians (roman Ashkenazi converts)...... So yeah thats y lol
@@bobtwista well said
@@bobtwista I'd have said it's more due to the point that news networks have competition, and once someone posts the story, the viewership or paper sales for posting the story plummet. Meaning, they need to rush or lose potential profit, as well as potential viewers concluding, their competitor is a better news source, because they deliver early. If Journalists took the time to pour through the details, it would take months to report on something. Well, it might even take months for some of the details to come out. IH's got no deadline to rush to, and the benefit of time for more details to ooze free.
Occam's Razor. The real answer is a lot simpler and more about basic maths than conspiracy. Honestly, taking the time to check with friends what they should and shouldn't say, would also be too slow a strategy...
@@silvertail7131 operation mockingbird says they can take as long as they want. They are part of the government now n similarly to big banks the government wont let them fail because they are vital to controlling the masses. Im not saying your point doesnt make sense, its just not the simpler answer. If this was truly a completely free market the media wldve had to adapt to overcome the competition. Also its way more nuanced than that due to the government controlled schools dumbing americans down to the point they cant tell what good journalism is, the lack of education also leads a populace to be more heavily influenced by sensationalism. But sure maybe its all just a coincidence things turned out this way..... Even tho ppl who have to solve murders dont call them coincidences, they call it suspicious, or sometimes they call it evidence 😆
That's a low bar.
just in time for fyre festival lol
Alexa ♥ What's Fyre Festival?
The X Reviewer A festival which the organizer made even tho not having enough budget,so they cut down to the extreme
I love you 😘
The backround song is Say Good Night - Joakim Karud
thank you so much, a year on.
Omg your my hero
28:19 - watching this video over again, this detail explains the Mockingjay salute and “Les Miserables” singing. No wonder people gave so much money if they had been led to believe that the hotel was being bigoted. I hope the folks involved in this con feel some remorse for appropriating real world pain for their personal gain. In any case, well done making this video and appreciate you being thoughtful in how you present the facts involved.
Its one of those situations where the more you learn, the worse you feel for the attendees
@@leaffinite3828 Yeah. It's easy to blast the attendees and despise the staffers, but the overwhelming majority of people there just wanted to go to a con and turned out to be too trusting, which... they're teens. That's a mistake everyone makes at least once. The attendees just wanted a convention to talk about things they liked and believed pretty well-made marketing. The staffers were mostly just kids who wanted to make it good, and fell in line behind a core coterie who were projecting a degree of confidence and professionalism that didn't exist, but for a small group of teens with no experience in cons they have no reason to doubt. And in the planning stages of the project, they had some marketers and graphic designers involved who gave them close to professional-level marketing in the early stages.
Of course it eventually fell apart when it turns out the core coterie just wanted to be seen as heroic convention-runners and had no interest in anything as difficult as actually running one, but because they were dealing with a bunch of hyped teens it was easy for them to persuade everyone that the staffers who were leaving were weak and letting the team down. By the time there was hard evidence that the thing was falling apart, the convention was less than two days away and it was far too late for anyone to stop it.
The arseholes in charge were responsible for causing this absolute chaos. At the most, the majority of staffers did no more than be too trusting of people who are great at projecting expertise - they could have done better, but sooner or later everyone gets scammed. It's embarrassing, but you can fall for much worse things than this.
Dashcon needed a dash cam
At first I thought Dashcon was a convention for car enthusiasts.
a bunch of 17-19 year olds ran a small convention in my city as a fundraiser for gay pride and it turned out way better than dashcon 😂
Pandemonium Den the key word is small, Dashcons organisers decided to go big or go home. Also good on that group of 17-19 year olds
How do you fund gay pride what a scam lmao
Ethan D. Oden Please give me money so I can feel proud
Actually most the money would normally go to funding, like a Con, and charities that help the LGBT community. Very rarely is the money pocketed for personal use- Dashcon was the only one that I now of that actually took money for themselves.
Excuse me? Why does being gay make you need money?
What happen: A group of people that have never had to be responsible of anything thought it would be easy organize a convention. They were wrong and like the house of sticks and of straw it blew down with a gentle breeze. The end.
This guy has the mystical ability to make literally anything sound super interesting and engaging
The way he says cash is fantastic.
Internet Historian is my waifu.
you one of them gays the kids are talking about?
GuyOnATricycle did you just assume their gender?
Procrastinator Håkon Did you just assume I assumed their gender.
Bane Bigguy he's wrecking that ass.... with no survivors
Max Wooks For you.
This dudes voice is so buttery. I love these channels. Very rewatchable videos !
Waiting for a new Internet Historian video!
I love the content both of you guys keep up the great work
Could have sworn "Emoticon" is what they used to call Emojis on the old MSN messenger
It is.
...people don't say emoticon anymore?
@@Ohfishyfishyfish They do in Spanish speaking countries, they call it "emoticonos" or "emoticones" and "emoticon", of course.
Emoticons are from before emojis where made. An emoticon is something like using a colon and a capital D to make a big smile, meanwhile an emoji is a special symbol usually where the face is yellow.
@@wolfgangzeintl6425 thats not ascii
Are you going to do a video on the Rainfurrest drama?
DeadYorick
wait, what happened in Rainfurrest? could you fill me in?
I know about a thing of I think Anthro Con where someone tried to poison the hotel's air as people were sleeping.. am I mistaken and it was Rainfurrest instead?
They damaged the hotel and convention center, some people wore their fetish out in the open and an office was flooded.
Also, the pool had to be closed.
holy crap, that's some really fucked up stuff
Lots of people spreading lies about what actually took place though. The few Babyfurs being in public even though only one had an exposed diaper pissed off some other Furries who bitched to the staff and Twitter about them.
The damage was real, however the truth of it being the Babyfurs are dubious. The so called dirty diapers being everywhere is slander or misinformation. They were cloth and hidden in a few areas for a treasure hunt. They were baby sized and wouldn't fit the convention goers.
As far as my research went, the convention staff were terrible at
enforcing any rules or mandating them resulting in furries wearing their fetish gear outside regulated areas.4chan and Reddit got involved with spreading rumors, as did other Furries.
Imagine if the Historian and Herstorian had a kid. The voice would rule the radio stations.
The child would be called as Kidstorian
They really need to do this. For the entertainment of future generations
It's Three Dog.
Just recently found this channel, and the internet historian channel, and I absolutely love it. The woman is great, hope she's in some future ones that I'm about to watch next!
These Q&As are awesome.
I'm sorry, but this little exchange at the end about who's doing what is really cute. And the whole video is interesting too, no doubt about it.
Love these Q&A's.
Not sure if it's as uncommon as I might think, but I've been deeply involved in the planning of a convention before, working as the right-hand to the organizer of an anime convention. I wish I could say I actually did a lot, but it was more like I watched a lot and played fill-in like flex-seal or something when he couldn't manage something himself. During the convention that was usually the case, as the various forms of talent often needed his personal involvement, so I helped manage anything that popped up or went wrong.
I was present for various negotiations and he explained the finances to me quite thoroughly. While it was years ago, I can say that at least in this area, a convention venue for about 2,000 attendees cost about twenty grand, maybe thirty if you account for all the extra expenses on top like food, rooms, guest appearances, and so on. Probably more once all of it's said and done, plane tickets get wacky, more expenses pop up, etc, meaning we typically barely made any profit by the time we were done, and that's with a ticket price of about $20 with a few special packages (which were always honored, heh.)
What this means is that none of us ever got paid. Not the guy running it, not me, not anyone. Everyone paid for their own stuff except rooms by in large. We knew this going in, of course, and we had no issue with it. I slept on the floor most of the time since we just couldn't spare the money for more staff rooms anyway. The virus killed this convention sadly, the financial ramifications ruined any chance of it continuing.
Anyway, my point is that Dashcon is not just a normal convention taken to an extreme, it was already abnormal in the first place for being based so heavily in profits rather than passion for the subject at hand. Don't get me wrong, the plan is always to make a profit, but it shouldn't come at the cost of the experience of your attendees and whether they're happy with what they got for the money. Normally, cons operate on a neutral or even negative budget for the first few years to build up, then graduate to larger venues, bigger guests, and so on, until they're actually making a profit year over year (rather than direct reinvestment into the next year) and are secure.
I'd be happy to explain more in detail about how a (or at least our) small con typically functions, from planning to negotiations and so on, but this is already a bit long-winded, so I'll reserve that for if someone actually asks for it.
This was already very insightful! Thank you! Small cons are really only fueled by the blood, sweat and tears of the organizers, who are in it for the love of the convention‘s theme. The closest I ever came to that was even smaller scale meet-ups of several congregations for celebrations etc. and those were already high-stress. The kind where money is only a consideration for the catering aspect.
So what you guys did was even more involved, and I highly respect that. I hope that you maybe get a chance to revive your little con in a year or two, if you want to. The pandemic kneecapped all of us so hard, it‘s hard to wrap my head around everything. Small conventions weren‘t even on my radar! >.
you might be interested in gamer con. It was a game con hosted by gamestop that completely flopped
I really hope you make a Fyre festival video soon. I had some Dashcon flashbacks when i first read about it.
Might be interesting to hear you talk about it
Do i have some news for you
In my opinion every convention/event should always be booked next to a radically different one. A wedding and an anime con.dnd and cowboy square dancing. That sort of thing.
Really really cool video, you have a very relaxing vibe together, just a ton of fun to listen to ^_^
I swear you guys went to the same boarding school as clown. Where they teach you to sound old and distinguished af
how cynical ...
I mean they are quite old. Mid thirties.
Funny how?
IH is clown from an alternate universe where clown was born in New Zealand
You two are oozing with white privilege.
Sam Bellettiere I'm good.
strangedark Unfortunately I'm out of stock.
god damn it Rustle... i was counting on you to hook me up :-(
strangedark Life is full of many disappointments love.
666th like XD
You have yourselve a new subscriber dear fellow. Keep up the good work.
I honestly find it disturbing that no charges were ever filed over this. At the least, the thirtysomething should have gotten nailed.
The way they handled the money… I wonder if that would qualify as embezzlement? Buying fancy lunches for themselves, unnecessary trips…
>be me
>sees new Internet Historian vid
>gets excited
>clicks
>its not about fyre festival
>sadface.jpg
>its about dashcon
>feelsgoodman
+sujetoficticio
Normie 101:
>go to meme-based channel
>see this post
>call the greentext meme arrows
> green texting on youtube
Stop greentexting out of 4chan
+ccaagg
>not knowing greentext is ironically called meme arrows by 4chan memers
Nice try normie
Genos b8
"everytime something went wrong they immediately deflected blame into someone else". Whoa, that doesn't sound like a Tumblr user at all!
Yeah!.... That sounds like Twitter’s doing!
@@joxvur0088 Modern day Twitter and pre-porn ban Tumblr are basically identical.
@@Brawler_1337 that's because they are! They're the same people!
your voice is wonderful lady historian. A happy couple always brightens my day so thank you.
Loving herstorian's latest content
A Q &A video more than 3x the length of the source material... That's how you know the video is good.
I was on the hellsite that is Tumblr around the time of Dashcon and I'm still an active user. Although the culture of the site has changed quite a bit and I don't think a convention would be a viable idea now (regardless of the Dashcon incident), a few years ago a Tumblr convention honestly made sense. Yes, there are many different smaller communities on the site and not everyone has the same interests, but during this period Homestuck and Superwholock along with some other fandoms brought a majority of the site together.
At one point a post was going around that basically said the "incognito" way to ask if someone has a Tumblr irl is to say "I like your shoelaces," which a complete stranger said to me once and we both knew what it meant. It's cringy and weird, but Tumblr really did have a very close-knit culture of like-minded people for quite some time and to an extent still does. From my experience at anime conventions and ConnectiCon (which is also really broad in it's target audience), most of the people there from 2012-2015 were the same types who would likely go to a Tumblr convention if it wasn't shit.
jahzarah ...
thanks i got them from the president
Ayyyy ConnectiCon represent!
Yeah I know what you mean, I agree. I actually kinda miss tumblr from 2013-2015, the fandom parts at least. I mean yeah there was cringe but it was fun.
*psst* hey i like your shoelaces
Uhh thanks i got them with the shoes?
What do you do when you actually like someone’s shoelaces and they reply with a random ass tumblr url
COMING BACK AFTER MANY YEARS TO OFFER INSIGHT:
Class action lawsuit is what would have (should have) happened. It's the exact legal proceeding designed for this sort of thing.
From what I have seen on Tumblr from being on that hellsite for a good 5 years now, it's safe to say these people were at the head of the bigger fandoms like SuperWhoLock and Homestruck etc etc and I can't really imagine those people having any useful real-world skills let alone the knowledge to organise a con
"from being on that hellsite for a good 5 years now"... Congratulations?
@@sgt.thundercok4704 Wasn't anything to congrats bud
Has it been 10 years now? If so, my sympathies.
do something on the crusade against kekistan
Connor Donahue end the meme jihad
Filthy acts done At a reasonable price we must slay all who lead the fight against kekistan
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What confuses me is what a Tumblr convention is, every fandom on Tumblr has their own conventions so all these people are all going to a con based on the fact they all use the same social media
Thats part of why it failed. It tried to appeal to Tumblr as a whole, apperently not realizing that there is no "united Tumblr".
@@KillerOrca vidcon exists for youtube
@@mylesfrost335 But it‘s not organized by all the smaller channels, but instead the big corporation running the show. Which significantly streamlines the entire thing, because there is ONE organizer.
How has it already been 6 years, and at the same time, how has it only been 6 years?
I love how all his history videos (the main channel) are so well with thought out. It must take him so long to do the research.
You gotta talk about that shitshow known as fyrefest, dude.
he did
That craigslist lady did a good job pretending to be your girlfriend/wife.
All this banter and all that truly stayed with me was that cheeky bong hit in the backround
Good Q&A. Glad to hear Kenneth Williams is doing so well.
22:31 This the the DVD question you came for
Doctor Medkit Thank you sir
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67 licks. Two more to go.
TheDeathBringer done
Because you asked: MO stands for Modus Operandi, Method of Operation in English. The meaning of the term is "How something works" or "How a specific thing is done".
Cop shows have made the term popular, often referring to serial killers and such, but it's not specific to something that is done several times.
Internet his and herstorian are my new otp even if I haven’t seen their faces they have a synergy I like listening to
You are a true historian. The fact that the extent of your research can be put into 2 full length videos is commendable. You truly know your shit
When you talk I imagine Nigel Thornberry
Smashing
Australian Thornberry. XD He could probably narrate a natgeo piece.
To this day, I have no idea what the fuck "Welcome to Nightvale" or "Steam Powered Giraffe" is.
Welcome to Nightvale is a horror podcast. Steam Powered Giraffe is a band. Both are pretty good.
@@loafofmilk7680 *correction* they're not
0:16 "she's not a looker" what the fuck bro, look at that million dollar smile
i was on tumblr for dashcon,,,, i remember people getting hyped for it, and afterward I scrolled though someone's blog who had went and liveblogged the whole experience. I remember a post that was just, in a all caps, "THEY'RE ASKING US FOR MONEY NOW??!"