One of the few PPVs I convinced my parents to let me order because I wanted to see Warrior, then when he finally comes out, he never gets his hands on Hogan and security breaks them up IN THE MIDDLE OF A WRESTLING MATCH...it was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. My dad even tried to get his money back from the cable company lol
This PPV main event highlighted one of the main differences between WCW and WWF. That being WCW had no idea how to book a wrestling show. Had WCW had WWFs booking team. They would have won the war.
@@martynodonnell with the roster wcw had in 98 they should’ve. Think about this, the world champion wasn’t even at the ppv. They put the belt on goldberg & didn’t have any creative story’s for him.. wcw just had no idea what to do with this roster & it also didn’t help that everything had to revolve around the nwo which was dragged through the dirt by this point
@@MR.__G yeah if WCW had WWFs booking team. They would have won the war. They had no idea how to book a wrestling show. Which became increasingly apparent the longer the war went on. WCW had one good idea in the whole time at the top. The NWO along with turning Hogan heel, which got stale quick. They had very little else storyline wise. Which also became increasingly apparent the longer things went on. WWF were the better company during most of 97 and would remain so until WCW went out of business.
@@martynodonnell they basically had 2 impactful ideas (nwo/ goldberg streak) & ran both to the ground. There was no end game with nwo & they never focused on building goldberg’s promo or ring skills. This makes all the sense as to why they didn’t have him on the show. There was absolutely nothing for him.
I can only imagine his response if you had convinced him to get you Halloween Havoc... Between the stinkfest of Hogan/Warrior and the lost half of the main event, he likely would have blown a gasket as you lost your mind...
Yeah....WCW was terrible after the finger poke of doom. Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Beniot and Booker T needed to be pushed more in 98. I didn't watch much WCW, but loved Jericho and rooted for him as a heel. 13:39
That Steiner vs Steiner match/angle was also very classic WCW. Just taking too long to build up to a pay off, then not delivering on the payoff again to stretch it out even farther and then never delivering in the end.
I will always consider this probably the worst thing wcw ever did creatively. What was there, like, a 10 year build up? Unforgivable. Also quite brash to split up Harlem Heat and do nothing about it too the same year, they weren't Steiner level but just a level below.
Was last month when Scot came out on a stretcher and a drip bag or is that next month? I think bobby should've said "the bag isn't dripping because I think he's full" that would've been great
That sounds like something Bobby Heenan would say on commentary, so it's appropriate to reply to this with a Gorilla Monsoon special "OH WILL YOU STOP!"
@@chucks_88 lol I mean it’s still running soooo kinda is but I think he meant moving to WWE in 99 🥴 And I don’t understand dude saying Jericho has been cosplaying HHH til he’s 60? Just me? Someone explain
I was there live for this and you're absolutely right. Fans did not care for this show. At all. No Flair. No Goldberg. Even though, to be fair, neither were advertised. And, as we saw, the matches weren't much to speak of. Now we know why Stevie Ray was even in the match-so he could take the pin from DDP. Because, they couldn't have Page pin Hogan or Bret or Sting,etc. I still maintain a lot of goodwill was lost due to the abysmal showing of Starrcade 97. After 3 months, fans finally turned over and watched WWF RAW instead of NITRO with the former finally beating the latter in the ratings. And due to seeing the main storylines were still centering around the same old guys with the same lame dq finishes. I'm sure you and most other fans know this already but it never gets any better. Bless you if you actually watch it all the way to WCW's demise in April of 2001.
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This was the very first wrestling ppv I ever watched, and watched it live on PPV. Aside from what happens to Bulldog, I absolutely love everything from this PPV, even the main event I remember thinking how awesome it was as a kid. Pure bliss reliving it.
and also the event that proved Greenberg is a big bald crybaby and started Jericho's path to bigger and better things June 1999, the Millennium Countdown is coming
Chris Jericho had crazy potential back in this era and I’m happy he moved when he did. I can’t imagine how much pain DBS was in during this match. Seeing his back discolored that night and on Nitro was alarming.
I remember the Saturn Raven match being the only thing that didn’t disappoint at this PPV! But, the mini Goldberg was hilarious to me bc it fit The Lion Tamers gimmick so well.
That's just super irresponsible of WCW and WCW Management not to inform anyone of the trapdoor. They failed Davey that night and it cost him everything.
Workplace negligence at its finest here. Especially since wrestling is notorious for a lack of accountability and protection for performers, no union, no guaranteed money, no health insurance. No wonder so many of these guys turn to hardcore pill abuse to cope with the chronic pain they’re suffering from
I remember watching this live thinking Buff's injury was real as it was roughly 13 minutes from the time of the "injury" till they attacked Rick. I mean, they wouldn't waste THIS MUCH time on PPV, would they?! But, it's WCW. Of course they would.
I was such a WWF nerd back then that I was only catching bits and pieces of WCW, and I missed the entire Warrior run while it was happening. Watching it play out the way it has through this has made me wonder if I too would have popped like the fans back then. Aie.
I agree man. I was far and above a WWF nerd as well, and seeing the Warrior’s WCW run vicariously through this series and seeing it now just makes me feel so bleak about it. WCW just had this weird knack for making careers seem so mundane.
@@liquidswords2636 I think that's because the people booking the matches and writing the storylines were protecting a few wrestlers over anyone else, so someone like Bret Hart couldn't come in and tear things up. Sting couldn't come back and tear things up. Warrior couldn't come in and tear things up. That's what the fans wanted to see (which is probably why everyone got behind Goldberg, because he was allowed to do what they wanted), but the few wrestlers with all the influence wouldn't allow themselves to be shown up, at least not for too long. I mean, The Giant should've been a huge obstacle for any wrestler; he should've been the most feared guy at the time, but when you have other wrestlers body slamming him and making him look small, like just another guy only wider, then you can't eventually get too hyped for a Goldberg vs Giant match, for instance, because we've seen smaller guys beat The Giant.
I remember reading one time that Davey's injury here was the final nail in the coffin for him. Basically saying that this injury caused him to go even deeper in drugs which inevitably caused his death. Sad times when it didn't even need to happen. Carless on WCW's part for not telling the competitors where the door was
Even though he injured himself I think you should at least give Warrior props for the novel and brute way he exited the cage...probably his most impressive wrestling feat since the Owen Hart match 😂
If you would've added Steve Mufugin Blackman and Glacier to that tag team match with Disco and Alex vs Bulldog and Anvil it would've been the greatest match ever.
By this point, it was only the cruiserweights and Goldberg worth watching. For me, this PPV is what put me off WCW back in the day and I started soley watching WWF. Before this i was watching both companies back and forward. I always tended to lean more towards WWF anyway but WCW had guys i enjoyed - Dean Malenko, Eddie, Chavo, Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Raven, Saturn, Kanyon, Disco Inferno, Kidman and Goldberg. I liked the mid-carders on WCW better than WWF's mid-carders but i liked the WWFs main eventers over WCW's main eventers.
Raven's matches are so underrated. The guy could take the biggest jobbers and create some amazing-looking material with them, one of the best workers nobody talks about, and made everything he did look great.
And when you put him in the ring with Saturn, another highly underrated worker, you get magic like this. Raven could work with anyone and Saturn could come up with offense out of nowhere.
I genuinely laugh out loud every time I watch a reliving the war episode, your comedic timing when telling these stories is always top notch, appreciate all the hard work
All these prolonged build ups with no/poor payoff really sums up WCW in general; tonnes of potential and talent but just all ways lets itself fall short
This has been my favorite TH-cam channel for about 2 years now and I really want to tell you (and no offense intended at all) that I love the way you say “poor”.
I was watching WCW every week during this time and its crazy how super over Jericho was even just having a squash match between him and Goldberg would've gotten a great pop but Billy boys ego was just absurd
From this story to Austin pouring drinks on Hall before Wrestlemania, to the Hawk stuff. I've never been a fan of using addicts personal problems in a story line. Sometimes I think that using reality in a story line is a great idea, but when it comes to addiction and throwing an addiction in an addicts face, it always feels in poor taste. IMO at least.
I feel like it'd be okay if A: they substitute the substances for lookalikes (so for example with Austin and Hall- don't pour actual alcohol) and B make sure they're *former* addicts. Don't kick someone who's at their lowest
@@JRC99 a good example of this was the 'bottle of whiskey' used by Chris Jericho on CM Punk in WWE... Iced tea in a sugar glass bottle... Shame about the slip and the early bottle break...
@@JRC99 The thing with Scott Hall was even worse than what's on the surface. I think you know what I'm talking about, but for those unaware: Scott Hall was taking Antabuse at the time. Antabuse is a drug that helps recovering alcoholics. But if an alcoholic on Antabuse absorbs any alcohol, it makes them violently ill. They should not have had Steve Austin pour real beer on Scott Hall. That was horrible.
I think it's fine if a) the former addict is okay with it and honestly wants to do the storyline to foster public awareness and b) the storyline is executed well. The Hawk alcohol abuse story, for example, was a good idea that was poorly executed. A story like that has to be handled with great care, and it has to be planned from beginning to end before it's put into play.
The only time it was ever good was with CM Punk vs Jeff Hardy, and people never realize that the reasons why it worked are the fact that: A) At that time, Jeff was in control B) CM Punk is Straight Edge I was so weirded out they did this angle with Sheamus and Jeff. "Hey, you know who could be the guy that makes fun of Jeff for being an alcoholic? How about the most stereotypically Irish man we have on the roster!"
I met the fake Goldberg a few years back at a friend's BBQ. Nice dude, who was happy to run into a wrestling fan where he could go on about his moment of glory.
I had this PPV on VHS when I was 12, ive seen it 100 times. The Buff segment took way too long, it didnt need to be stretched out for so long especially since we all knew it was a set up.
Jericho: Rock and Roll! Hello, Winston! Hello, Winston-Salem! Tonight, Double Champion! And the on-screen debut of Ralphus! Plus British Bulldog, Alex Wright, Disco Inferno, the Cat Ernest Miller, Norman Smiley.
If I'd paid for a ticket and travelled miles to go see this ppv and got that buff fake injury spot I'd definitely be pissed off about it when I'd assumed I'd be seen Rick and Scott have a proper match
This PPV is in a way a representation of how I felt about the promotion at the time. Everything I actually liked (Disco Inferno, Alex Wright, the Flock, Steiners and Buff, Cruiserweights, Jericho, etc) basically were treated like low effort filler, with the wrestlers themselves having to actually go hard at making it something more than subpar filler (Or people from the opener having to warn everyone to avoid even further injuries). And everything that I had minimal interest in was given a bunch of time, effort, and often was detrimental to the rest of the promotion, like the Main Event. And how the set up for it injured someone and ended their career. And it bothers me so much because... I LIKED Piper back in the day. Piper was awesome. But more than that? Well... he came up from the Territory I grew up in in the Pacific Northwest (living near Portland at the time). So he was kind of a known quantity growing up and when you'd mention Roddy Piper, well people knew him. It was kind of a generational bonding thing when he hit the WWF with parents telling stories about how they saw this match or that match with him before he went to New York. And we were cheering over his victories and all that. But something about that WCW run man. Something about it killed my interest in him. And I'm not really sure why. I suspect Hogan Booking where Piper seemed to exist just so Hogan could get one over on him from the WWF days. A kind of pettiness I think was also responsible in part for the Warrior's booking here. But man... My father and I used to eagerly watch every Piper match on TV back when I was a small kid. Good memories. But in the 90s? I felt almost ashamed to see him as I knew he'd get punked out in some way. Like here with the blackjack KO from Hogan effortlessly. And that's what the NWO Main Event picture was for me. Usually taking things I loved, like Piper, like Bret, Macho, etc. And then just destroying them. Particularly because I was never a Hulkamaniac, even as a kid.
Piper felt bitter all through that wcw run, it radiated through the screen. Felt like he didn't like wrestling anymore, but the money was great so he didn't turn it down.
Speaking of Raven, Did you know there is a wrestling board game?? It is called ATW (All time Wrestling), ordered it and having a blast, anyways they have a new expansion in the works that will be adding Raven and RVD to the game!
Man I have no clue why, but I always loved watching raven. Guy looks like a brawling street fight while having some of the most sharp & high level wrestling techniques.. Kind of wish raven was pushed to the main events with Hogan Nash or Goldberg
Imagine having a ring with a trap door that could and did hurt your wrestlers... on a ppv, where you have two rings.... not only do you not tell your wrestlers about the trap door ring, but you also schedule matches in said ring.... WCW everyone.
it's a real tragedy that bulldog injured himself in that ring with the trap door. If only there was another ring without a trap dooe right next to it that they could have used instead. But to my knowledge no such secondary ring existed so that had to use the only one in the arena. Completely unavoidable I'm sure you'll all agree
This is a great series and it really highlighted just how quick Davey's life and career spiralled out of control culminating in the back injury at Fall Brawl. He was out of shape and looked disinterested and it's not even a year from the screwjob!
That Hall spot where he get sandwiched between the rings reminds of a spot in one of my favorite War Games matches were Arn is upside down with his head stuck between the two rings like a piledriver ! The rings were WAY closer together though ! Ha ha !
Buff to me was always a mid tier performer he always reminded me of a used high end car salesman and the fact that he never got asked back to wwe even for quick match tells me that there is more to the fact of Buff being fired. He was extremely arrogant saying other wrestlers weren't the quality of a Buff. But everyone of those guys were used at least once twice or more in the years since bagwell was fired, but he never even generated any interest of return.
It's a shame that terrible injuries & their fallout soured that opening match, because not only did it have chinlocks & Der Big Bratwurst, it also had Neidhart trying to dance. That should have been fun, but instead it's remembered for ending Davey's career.
There were two rings. A simple solution to avoiding the trap door would be to have all the other matches take place in the OTHER ring. Just a thought lol
It's so WCW that they had A WHOLE SECOND RING they could have put the trap door under instead of having all of the matches in the ring with it. Poor Davey. For all of his issues, he could absolutely still wrestle at this point.
It's surreal how they had so many legends and multiple time world champions across multiple organizations all in one main event, and somehow Stevie Ray is just.... there. Like, how in the actual f did that happen? Equally surreal is somehow Bret was part of nWo Hollywood, despite hating Hogan.
Back then, I was HUGE on Jericho and The Rock before anyone else was rooting for them. I loved everything Jericho was doing in WCW. He bucked the system and did such a great job of making a name for himself despite the obstacles Bischoff and the NWO were throwing in front of the smaller guys. His mockery of Goldberg's entrance was over huge with me and my fellow buddies. Most people who were big wrestling fans where I was (die hard AWA fans mostly) really gravitated to what Jericho was doing and almost all of us didn't care about Goldberg one bit. Love the work you are doing on these recaps. I'm really looking forward to the WWF RAWs from Milwaukee and Madison, WI in October of 1998. Was at both and I'm featured in the opening shot of the Madison RAW holding a brilliant sign based on the previous Milwaukee show. ;) Plus Motley Crue performed and I can give you some inside info on a few things which happened that didn't make the air or got selectively edited out. Nothing major but fun stuff from a VERY hot crowd.
I Wrestled here in Canada ..96,97.. I had a Contact who brought me to WCW Powerplant. Met Twrry Taylor through Joey Mags.. I was given Great opportunities and was to sign then go to OVW. Then 9/11 happened..
One of the few PPVs I convinced my parents to let me order because I wanted to see Warrior, then when he finally comes out, he never gets his hands on Hogan and security breaks them up IN THE MIDDLE OF A WRESTLING MATCH...it was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. My dad even tried to get his money back from the cable company lol
This PPV main event highlighted one of the main differences between WCW and WWF. That being WCW had no idea how to book a wrestling show. Had WCW had WWFs booking team. They would have won the war.
@@martynodonnell with the roster wcw had in 98 they should’ve. Think about this, the world champion wasn’t even at the ppv. They put the belt on goldberg & didn’t have any creative story’s for him.. wcw just had no idea what to do with this roster & it also didn’t help that everything had to revolve around the nwo which was dragged through the dirt by this point
@@MR.__G yeah if WCW had WWFs booking team. They would have won the war. They had no idea how to book a wrestling show. Which became increasingly apparent the longer the war went on. WCW had one good idea in the whole time at the top. The NWO along with turning Hogan heel, which got stale quick. They had very little else storyline wise. Which also became increasingly apparent the longer things went on. WWF were the better company during most of 97 and would remain so until WCW went out of business.
@@martynodonnell they basically had 2 impactful ideas (nwo/ goldberg streak) & ran both to the ground. There was no end game with nwo & they never focused on building goldberg’s promo or ring skills. This makes all the sense as to why they didn’t have him on the show. There was absolutely nothing for him.
I can only imagine his response if you had convinced him to get you Halloween Havoc... Between the stinkfest of Hogan/Warrior and the lost half of the main event, he likely would have blown a gasket as you lost your mind...
After watching this. Im sending my condolences in advance for when you have to start covering 2000 WCW PPVs
Its gonna get ugly once Russo shows up in mid 99
Yeah....WCW was terrible after the finger poke of doom. Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Beniot and Booker T needed to be pushed more in 98.
I didn't watch much WCW, but loved Jericho and rooted for him as a heel. 13:39
Or just WCW in 2000
Trust me bro, it's their relaince on TRP more than the rivals slow paced progress which left them sacked in long ring.
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@@kerpal321 chat gppt video with the wrestlerrrs edited in was great
That Steiner vs Steiner match/angle was also very classic WCW. Just taking too long to build up to a pay off, then not delivering on the payoff again to stretch it out even farther and then never delivering in the end.
I will always consider this probably the worst thing wcw ever did creatively. What was there, like, a 10 year build up? Unforgivable. Also quite brash to split up Harlem Heat and do nothing about it too the same year, they weren't Steiner level but just a level below.
Was last month when Scot came out on a stretcher and a drip bag or is that next month? I think bobby should've said "the bag isn't dripping because I think he's full" that would've been great
“The Tequila Sunrise makes Scott Hall tap out” Layers upon layers here on Wresting Bios.
Stop it. hahaha
That sounds like something Bobby Heenan would say on commentary, so it's appropriate to reply to this with a Gorilla Monsoon special "OH WILL YOU STOP!"
I’m not disagree with you but Too Soon Man Too Soon 😂😂😂
The PPV that starts Jericho's dislike for WCW and begins his path to bigger and better things
Only for him to make friends with a millionaire, jump ship, and cosplay as Triple H until he's sixty
What is it with PPV's making Jericho start to dislike and want to move on from companies?
All because green berg had to take a day off
Sorry, AEW is not bigger and better things. 🤦♂
@@chucks_88 lol I mean it’s still running soooo kinda is but I think he meant moving to WWE in 99 🥴
And I don’t understand dude saying Jericho has been cosplaying HHH til he’s 60? Just me? Someone explain
I was there live for this and you're absolutely right. Fans did not care for this show. At all. No Flair. No Goldberg. Even though, to be fair, neither were advertised. And, as we saw, the matches weren't much to speak of. Now we know why Stevie Ray was even in the match-so he could take the pin from DDP. Because, they couldn't have Page pin Hogan or Bret or Sting,etc.
I still maintain a lot of goodwill was lost due to the abysmal showing of Starrcade 97. After 3 months, fans finally turned over and watched WWF RAW instead of NITRO with the former finally beating the latter in the ratings. And due to seeing the main storylines were still centering around the same old guys with the same lame dq finishes.
I'm sure you and most other fans know this already but it never gets any better. Bless you if you actually watch it all the way to WCW's demise in April of 2001.
My favorite series on TH-cam
Raven vs. Saturn was a very very good match. It stood out the most to me.
You got the perfect timing with these. When I can barely take anymore of my week, I get a wrestlingbios video Thursday. Then, when I'm horribly depressed about the impending week, I get a wrestlingbios video on Sunday. It's fantastic, thank you! 💪💜
Sounds about right lol
This was the very first wrestling ppv I ever watched, and watched it live on PPV. Aside from what happens to Bulldog, I absolutely love everything from this PPV, even the main event I remember thinking how awesome it was as a kid. Pure bliss reliving it.
Fall Brawl '98, the event that saw the injury that led to the untimely death of the British Bulldog 4 years later.
I am putting a "Like", NOT because I like what happened, but for the accuracy of the statement! (Just to be clear, lol)
and also the event that proved Greenberg is a big bald crybaby and started Jericho's path to bigger and better things
June 1999, the Millennium Countdown is coming
Man, in trying to remember. But I just can't remember it.
@@toptenguy1 just for the record I ain’t laughing
yeah because Davey Boy never did drugs before this
Ralphus! The greatesr contribution to wrestling that WCW ever made. Should have been him v Gillberg to settle the Invasion angle.
Gillberg was more over than anybody today
Chris Jericho had crazy potential back in this era and I’m happy he moved when he did. I can’t imagine how much pain DBS was in during this match. Seeing his back discolored that night and on Nitro was alarming.
Just imagine if Billy Boy had actually worked WITH Jericho on this instead of bitchin' and politickin' backstage...
@@kurtpaulsen6579 Jericho vs mini Goldberg has Breyer storytelling than any other storry wcw did at this time. Thought was put in here unlike nwo :/
I remember the Saturn Raven match being the only thing that didn’t disappoint at this PPV! But, the mini Goldberg was hilarious to me bc it fit The Lion Tamers gimmick so well.
That's just super irresponsible of WCW and WCW Management not to inform anyone of the trapdoor. They failed Davey that night and it cost him everything.
Workplace negligence at its finest here. Especially since wrestling is notorious for a lack of accountability and protection for performers, no union, no guaranteed money, no health insurance. No wonder so many of these guys turn to hardcore pill abuse to cope with the chronic pain they’re suffering from
Nooo! Go watch the tapes, Davey boy was gone long before that
Love what you did with the music for this edition of "Reliving the war", thanks for the upload!
Loving hearing the Wolfpac theme in the intro.
One of the greatest wrestling themes of all time.
@@17thN.O True
its genuinely insane the absolute talent in the under-card in wcw and they still managed to go out of business due to nepotism
I remember watching this live thinking Buff's injury was real as it was roughly 13 minutes from the time of the "injury" till they attacked Rick. I mean, they wouldn't waste THIS MUCH time on PPV, would they?! But, it's WCW. Of course they would.
Not even gonna lie, I still rock out to my WCW Mayhem cd
I still have my Slam Jam I cd, so I can relate...
Not gonna lie its been great seeing how over Saturn was in 98, dude is underrated and was a beast in ring
I was such a WWF nerd back then that I was only catching bits and pieces of WCW, and I missed the entire Warrior run while it was happening. Watching it play out the way it has through this has made me wonder if I too would have popped like the fans back then. Aie.
I agree man. I was far and above a WWF nerd as well, and seeing the Warrior’s WCW run vicariously through this series and seeing it now just makes me feel so bleak about it. WCW just had this weird knack for making careers seem so mundane.
@@liquidswords2636
I think that's because the people booking the matches and writing the storylines were protecting a few wrestlers over anyone else, so someone like Bret Hart couldn't come in and tear things up. Sting couldn't come back and tear things up. Warrior couldn't come in and tear things up. That's what the fans wanted to see (which is probably why everyone got behind Goldberg, because he was allowed to do what they wanted), but the few wrestlers with all the influence wouldn't allow themselves to be shown up, at least not for too long.
I mean, The Giant should've been a huge obstacle for any wrestler; he should've been the most feared guy at the time, but when you have other wrestlers body slamming him and making him look small, like just another guy only wider, then you can't eventually get too hyped for a Goldberg vs Giant match, for instance, because we've seen smaller guys beat The Giant.
I remember reading one time that Davey's injury here was the final nail in the coffin for him. Basically saying that this injury caused him to go even deeper in drugs which inevitably caused his death. Sad times when it didn't even need to happen. Carless on WCW's part for not telling the competitors where the door was
Even though he injured himself I think you should at least give Warrior props for the novel and brute way he exited the cage...probably his most impressive wrestling feat since the Owen Hart match 😂
If you would've added Steve Mufugin Blackman and Glacier to that tag team match with Disco and Alex vs Bulldog and Anvil it would've been the greatest match ever.
By this point, it was only the cruiserweights and Goldberg worth watching. For me, this PPV is what put me off WCW back in the day and I started soley watching WWF. Before this i was watching both companies back and forward. I always tended to lean more towards WWF anyway but WCW had guys i enjoyed - Dean Malenko, Eddie, Chavo, Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Raven, Saturn, Kanyon, Disco Inferno, Kidman and Goldberg. I liked the mid-carders on WCW better than WWF's mid-carders but i liked the WWFs main eventers over WCW's main eventers.
Raven's matches are so underrated. The guy could take the biggest jobbers and create some amazing-looking material with them, one of the best workers nobody talks about, and made everything he did look great.
And when you put him in the ring with Saturn, another highly underrated worker, you get magic like this. Raven could work with anyone and Saturn could come up with offense out of nowhere.
The flock was awesome. So underrated. I loved WCW Raven.
Yep. He was such a an amazing worker. Do any style. Good psych, make his opponents look great
I genuinely laugh out loud every time I watch a reliving the war episode, your comedic timing when telling these stories is always top notch, appreciate all the hard work
All these prolonged build ups with no/poor payoff really sums up WCW in general; tonnes of potential and talent but just all ways lets itself fall short
That John Deere-colored mat logo is an eyesore, especially when the lights hit it.
Poor Davey Boy’s career was never the same after this night
Yep. The Ultimate Warrior ruined another career.
This has been my favorite TH-cam channel for about 2 years now and I really want to tell you (and no offense intended at all) that I love the way you say “poor”.
I was watching WCW every week during this time and its crazy how super over Jericho was even just having a squash match between him and Goldberg would've gotten a great pop but Billy boys ego was just absurd
I'm behind on videos but thanks again for all your hard work. Horsemen business 4 life!
I finally got all caught up on the RTW Playlist and I get rewarded with the next paper view review, it's a good weekend
Can't wait for Halloween Havoc 1998 next month. Oh god.
Davey Boy Smith Chinlock returns!
This is when I started to notice and really like Jericho the public ninja service was genius
First one I’ve been able to get ready at premiere time.
Can’t wait, light the touch paper and let’s go 😂
From this story to Austin pouring drinks on Hall before Wrestlemania, to the Hawk stuff. I've never been a fan of using addicts personal problems in a story line. Sometimes I think that using reality in a story line is a great idea, but when it comes to addiction and throwing an addiction in an addicts face, it always feels in poor taste. IMO at least.
I feel like it'd be okay if A: they substitute the substances for lookalikes (so for example with Austin and Hall- don't pour actual alcohol) and B make sure they're *former* addicts. Don't kick someone who's at their lowest
@@JRC99 a good example of this was the 'bottle of whiskey' used by Chris Jericho on CM Punk in WWE... Iced tea in a sugar glass bottle... Shame about the slip and the early bottle break...
@@JRC99 The thing with Scott Hall was even worse than what's on the surface. I think you know what I'm talking about, but for those unaware:
Scott Hall was taking Antabuse at the time. Antabuse is a drug that helps recovering alcoholics. But if an alcoholic on Antabuse absorbs any alcohol, it makes them violently ill. They should not have had Steve Austin pour real beer on Scott Hall. That was horrible.
I think it's fine if a) the former addict is okay with it and honestly wants to do the storyline to foster public awareness and b) the storyline is executed well. The Hawk alcohol abuse story, for example, was a good idea that was poorly executed. A story like that has to be handled with great care, and it has to be planned from beginning to end before it's put into play.
The only time it was ever good was with CM Punk vs Jeff Hardy, and people never realize that the reasons why it worked are the fact that:
A) At that time, Jeff was in control
B) CM Punk is Straight Edge
I was so weirded out they did this angle with Sheamus and Jeff. "Hey, you know who could be the guy that makes fun of Jeff for being an alcoholic? How about the most stereotypically Irish man we have on the roster!"
Despite the Bulldog's unfortunate injury, we did get to see the return of two DAVEY BOY SMITH CHINLOCKS!
I anticipate each new episode of RTW the way I used to anticipate each new episode of Raw and Smackdown back in the war era.
I met the fake Goldberg a few years back at a friend's BBQ. Nice dude, who was happy to run into a wrestling fan where he could go on about his moment of glory.
Awesome Story
30:48 the Warrior stunt was The Renegade !
Good for a moment but damaging in the long run may as well be WCW's motto.
Both this and the OSW video are great. It's just the OSW one is the version you watch when the mrs is out
The war games match in my opinion really illustrates what was wrong with wcw in this era big big name talent had no idea how to book them
Some real life crossroads for a few of our favourites and some stars in this PPV.
I had this PPV on VHS when I was 12, ive seen it 100 times. The Buff segment took way too long, it didnt need to be stretched out for so long especially since we all knew it was a set up.
Love these vids and your channel. Keep up the great work
Jericho: Rock and Roll! Hello, Winston! Hello, Winston-Salem! Tonight, Double Champion!
And the on-screen debut of Ralphus! Plus British Bulldog, Alex Wright, Disco Inferno, the Cat Ernest Miller, Norman Smiley.
If I'd paid for a ticket and travelled miles to go see this ppv and got that buff fake injury spot I'd definitely be pissed off about it when I'd assumed I'd be seen Rick and Scott have a proper match
Ryan, great video.
WCW, PPV matches picked at random, as long as Hogan is happy, nothing else matters.
These intro mixes are always fire
The last official WarGames match in WCW. The other ones don’t even count as a WarGames match (ie Russo’s Revenge that used the triple cage)
Addiction is serious, they were toying with his health to be honest. Regarding Hall.
Norman Smilie sounds like someone who was on the 'Madchester' club scene who was heavy on the doves. 😂😂
This PPV is in a way a representation of how I felt about the promotion at the time. Everything I actually liked (Disco Inferno, Alex Wright, the Flock, Steiners and Buff, Cruiserweights, Jericho, etc) basically were treated like low effort filler, with the wrestlers themselves having to actually go hard at making it something more than subpar filler (Or people from the opener having to warn everyone to avoid even further injuries). And everything that I had minimal interest in was given a bunch of time, effort, and often was detrimental to the rest of the promotion, like the Main Event. And how the set up for it injured someone and ended their career.
And it bothers me so much because... I LIKED Piper back in the day. Piper was awesome. But more than that? Well... he came up from the Territory I grew up in in the Pacific Northwest (living near Portland at the time). So he was kind of a known quantity growing up and when you'd mention Roddy Piper, well people knew him. It was kind of a generational bonding thing when he hit the WWF with parents telling stories about how they saw this match or that match with him before he went to New York. And we were cheering over his victories and all that.
But something about that WCW run man. Something about it killed my interest in him. And I'm not really sure why. I suspect Hogan Booking where Piper seemed to exist just so Hogan could get one over on him from the WWF days. A kind of pettiness I think was also responsible in part for the Warrior's booking here. But man...
My father and I used to eagerly watch every Piper match on TV back when I was a small kid. Good memories. But in the 90s? I felt almost ashamed to see him as I knew he'd get punked out in some way. Like here with the blackjack KO from Hogan effortlessly.
And that's what the NWO Main Event picture was for me. Usually taking things I loved, like Piper, like Bret, Macho, etc. And then just destroying them. Particularly because I was never a Hulkamaniac, even as a kid.
Piper felt bitter all through that wcw run, it radiated through the screen. Felt like he didn't like wrestling anymore, but the money was great so he didn't turn it down.
This whole PPV just felt like another episode of Nitro. That’s how WCW became around then.
love this series nice job dude
Yeah that OSW plug, i love both of yalls videos a ton and cant wait to see your Halloween Havoc video.
Speaking of Raven, Did you know there is a wrestling board game?? It is called ATW (All time Wrestling), ordered it and having a blast, anyways they have a new expansion in the works that will be adding Raven and RVD to the game!
ooo that back breaker on the beat during the intro is amazing
I watched this PPV the other day and man it was brutal, downhill and downhill fast from WCW these last few weeks
Agree with you completely on the way they handled the Scott Hall situation. Absolutely tasteless
Man I have no clue why, but I always loved watching raven. Guy looks like a brawling street fight while having some of the most sharp & high level wrestling techniques..
Kind of wish raven was pushed to the main events with Hogan Nash or Goldberg
Saturn is such a beast. One of my fav entrances ever.
Imagine having a ring with a trap door that could and did hurt your wrestlers... on a ppv, where you have two rings.... not only do you not tell your wrestlers about the trap door ring, but you also schedule matches in said ring.... WCW everyone.
The first Warrior was The Renegade
Not at all
The final War Games match in WCW.
it's a real tragedy that bulldog injured himself in that ring with the trap door. If only there was another ring without a trap dooe right next to it that they could have used instead. But to my knowledge no such secondary ring existed so that had to use the only one in the arena. Completely unavoidable I'm sure you'll all agree
8:16 The sign "Where da white woman at" 😁😅🤣
Davey Boy has embraced the way the chinlock once again!💪💪💪💪💪💪
Looking back, It's funny how I never noticed the wrestlers miss that corner of the ring.
I still wonder why they had a match with trap door meanwhile there was a second ring on the right with no trap door.
Would love you and the OSW brahs to come together for something special. I mean, you're all on the same Island after all!
This is a great series and it really highlighted just how quick Davey's life and career spiralled out of control culminating in the back injury at Fall Brawl. He was out of shape and looked disinterested and it's not even a year from the screwjob!
I absolutely love this series!
An OSW shoutout. What a boy!
1997 was the peak for wcw in terms of ppvs. 98 by the sounds of it were written by russo while he was still in the wwe
That Hall spot where he get sandwiched between the rings reminds of a spot in one of my favorite War Games matches were Arn is upside down with his head stuck between the two rings like a piledriver ! The rings were WAY closer together though ! Ha ha !
Buff to me was always a mid tier performer he always reminded me of a used high end car salesman and the fact that he never got asked back to wwe even for quick match tells me that there is more to the fact of Buff being fired. He was extremely arrogant saying other wrestlers weren't the quality of a Buff. But everyone of those guys were used at least once twice or more in the years since bagwell was fired, but he never even generated any interest of return.
It's kick or be kickin'
Raven and Saturn had insane chemistry together whether opponents or partners
Should out to WSI!!!! Awesome channel!! They also do Story Time With Dutch Mantell that's really good too!!
Thanks Raven
Man I love these shows
It's a shame that terrible injuries & their fallout soured that opening match, because not only did it have chinlocks & Der Big Bratwurst, it also had Neidhart trying to dance. That should have been fun, but instead it's remembered for ending Davey's career.
The more I watch these the more I appreciate Disco and Alex Wright. Pretty lame they never made it to WWE.
There were two rings. A simple solution to avoiding the trap door would be to have all the other matches take place in the OTHER ring. Just a thought lol
It's so WCW that they had A WHOLE SECOND RING they could have put the trap door under instead of having all of the matches in the ring with it. Poor Davey. For all of his issues, he could absolutely still wrestle at this point.
I went to this event with my dad.
It's surreal how they had so many legends and multiple time world champions across multiple organizations all in one main event, and somehow Stevie Ray is just.... there. Like, how in the actual f did that happen? Equally surreal is somehow Bret was part of nWo Hollywood, despite hating Hogan.
Yay new Wrestling Bios... Oh no... *Sad Bulldog noises*
Back then, I was HUGE on Jericho and The Rock before anyone else was rooting for them. I loved everything Jericho was doing in WCW. He bucked the system and did such a great job of making a name for himself despite the obstacles Bischoff and the NWO were throwing in front of the smaller guys. His mockery of Goldberg's entrance was over huge with me and my fellow buddies. Most people who were big wrestling fans where I was (die hard AWA fans mostly) really gravitated to what Jericho was doing and almost all of us didn't care about Goldberg one bit.
Love the work you are doing on these recaps. I'm really looking forward to the WWF RAWs from Milwaukee and Madison, WI in October of 1998. Was at both and I'm featured in the opening shot of the Madison RAW holding a brilliant sign based on the previous Milwaukee show. ;) Plus Motley Crue performed and I can give you some inside info on a few things which happened that didn't make the air or got selectively edited out. Nothing major but fun stuff from a VERY hot crowd.
I gotta say it's so nice to see Davey Boy back in Chinlock action lol. This show ain't ain't same without it
I Wrestled here in Canada ..96,97..
I had a Contact who brought me to WCW Powerplant.
Met Twrry Taylor through Joey Mags..
I was given Great opportunities and was to sign then go to OVW.
Then 9/11 happened..
This. Was a great video
I've heard a lot about Ralphus and now I'm excited to see where it goes.
It’s possibly some of the best stuff of Jericho’s career. He’s absolutely brilliant in this 3-4 month stretch.
Also, his run with Smiley in the dying days was also some fun...