2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse Reaches Mach 2.0

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    Consider the 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse an evolution of the spectacular outgoing Ford Mustang Mach 1. And that car, the quickest in our Lightning Lap LL2 category (for cars under $65,000), isn't a bad place to start. Aside from the exterior and interior, the changes to the chassis and powertrain are comparatively minimal but welcome.
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    00:00 Intro
    00:46 Engine, acceleration, weight
    01:38 Chassis upgrades and optional Trofeo RS tires
    02:22 More about the V-8
    02:42 Exhaust sound
    03:28 Interior displays
    05:10 Six-speed manual and flat-shifting
    08:08 Handling, balance, stability control, and steering feel
    10:28 Auto rev match fail
    12:17 The beginning of the end
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  • @CarlosLago
    @CarlosLago 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Thanks for watching everyone! As many of you rightfully noted, I was a bit premature on the end of the current Camaro. As for the rest, be sure to read the story for more technical information and additional driving impressions: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44675712/2024-ford-mustang-dark-horse-drive/

    • @HemiBurns
      @HemiBurns 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great review Carlos!!

    • @FL50ssp
      @FL50ssp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Why worry about facts and details Carlso? And why would the 6th Gen Camaro "not exist anymore" because GM decided to end production? Are you telling me someone is coming for my 6th Gen SS 1LE and they are going to crush it and all others? Not good and I'd still not own a mustnag.

  • @FATmenDRIVEtrucks
    @FATmenDRIVEtrucks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    $76k for a 5.0 never thought I'd see the day Ford is smoking crack

    • @ianstallings
      @ianstallings 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      It'll be $90k at the dealer

    • @JFinns
      @JFinns 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      The price isn't as confusing as it somehow manages to weigh 3900 lbs. It should easily be 200 lbs lighter.

    • @al151
      @al151 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JFinnsit is 4000 lbs in automatic not 3900 lbs.

    • @kahless0173
      @kahless0173 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      well when youre so much better than your competitors, even when theyre significantly faster on track, and they go out of production because of it leaving you alone in the segment you can charge whatever the hell you want.

    • @tri3pleagent
      @tri3pleagent 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@kahless0173😂😂😂

  • @Calvin-xp4qp
    @Calvin-xp4qp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Best thing about the Dark Horse is it comes with an engine and not a motor!

  • @Ccm10000
    @Ccm10000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I was hoping that Ford would have given us a lighter street legal version of the Mustang let’s say a perf. pack 2, 300 to 400 lbs lighter in the 3500-3600 lbs range. But still good job and thank’s to Ford for keeping the V8 Mustang alive.

    • @TML34
      @TML34 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yep, it's a bit of a pig and it looks like Ford stole the front clip off the Honda Civic/Accord. 🤣

    • @revmatic32
      @revmatic32 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The GT3 they've been teasing will probably be a lot lighter but I assume the cost will be outrageous.

    • @ZepG
      @ZepG 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      To make it lighter just remove the back seats, trunk plastic, and carpet. Voila!

    • @Mustgtcs07
      @Mustgtcs07 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TML34 Yep, it is heavy, but not like the OUTGOING Camaro or Challenger.

    • @richardjosephus6802
      @richardjosephus6802 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hard to do with all the "safety" the government mandates it must have.

  • @LIGHTNING351
    @LIGHTNING351 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Carlos is the best reviewer hands down! Car is killer, but that price? Crazy how times have changed. My first brand new Mustang GT 1985 loaded $12.6k out the door. In 2013 I purchased a Mustang GT Premium with the Brembo brakes, $32K out the door. Now a Dark horse loaded and with dealer mark-ups, $70-$80k? I would only buy used if and ever used prices come back to reality.

    • @ragingbull94mtx
      @ragingbull94mtx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      The average new car price in 1985 was around $11,000... so by comparison your 85 Mustang GT would've cost about $55k in today's money. That's about what a loaded 7th Gen GT would cost today. The average new car price in 2013 was about $31,000. In today's money your 2013 GT Premium would've cost $49,500 - again, right in line with what you'd pay for a 7th Gen GT. Car prices are in fact, "in line with reality"... salaries just haven't kept pace with inflation which is why everything else "seems" so expensive. All that aside, I'm really impressed with new Mustang, but I'm not in any rush to sell my 2020 Camaro LT1 6-speed. If I was buying a 7th Gen Mustang, I'd want a no-option bare-bones basic GT with the manual...but giving up my TR6060 for an MT82 seems like a step backwards. And if I had "Dark Horse" money, I'd just buy a Camaro ZL1 (while supplies last).

    • @jtc1964x
      @jtc1964x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed. For the price of this car, fix the front end!

    • @sherylellingson3538
      @sherylellingson3538 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's a little like comparing apples to oranges. Price a speced out GT premium, not a Dark Horse.

  • @jtc1964x
    @jtc1964x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I did "no lift shift" on my 88 LX 5.0 after installed a centerforce clutch, Hurst shifter, and HD trans! It banged hard with the 3.55s in the read

  • @gtrance3567
    @gtrance3567 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What an incredible and bittersweet review! Great job, Carlos!

  • @Edge-mv3jw
    @Edge-mv3jw 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    As a Camaro guy, I’d love to get one of these in a few years, as it’s really grown on me. But these prices are getting insane, especially while there’s supposedly going to be a Shelby coming as a 2026 model. (Yes, I know I should get the Camaro but it’ll be harder to find one speced the way I’d like it)

    • @ChuckThree
      @ChuckThree 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Unfortunately soon you won’t be able to buy a new Camaro at all, let alone one in the correct spec

    • @jp23x
      @jp23x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      As a Camaro guy, you should stick to Camaros, as a car guy you should get whatever your heart desires.

    • @Chris-Rife
      @Chris-Rife 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wait on new camaro it will be out in couple years and a EV probably have lot of horsepower.

    • @thanosianthemadtitanic
      @thanosianthemadtitanic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@Chris-Rife😐

    • @fdangleshadang-a-lang7149
      @fdangleshadang-a-lang7149 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I’m a mustang guy, and when I saw this new dark horse replace the mach1- which was a beautiful car, btw- I put in an order for a ZL1 1LE. But I just heard back from Chevy and they canceled my order 🙃 so now, I guess it’ll be this ugly mug

  • @francisdrelling4060
    @francisdrelling4060 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video and review. It was clear you were giving us a type of real world review Thanks, FD

  • @johnalterio372
    @johnalterio372 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Hate the interior and the rear styling. Feel the s550 variants (Gt350 and Mach 1) are much better looking.

    • @tommyboyGT350
      @tommyboyGT350 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank God we got some real Mustang enthusiast in this chat and not some Ford ball washers . And hell yes the Shelby GT350 and MACH 1 are better in so many ways.

    • @mrjdgibbs
      @mrjdgibbs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not necessarily a mustang guy. In my opinion they nailed the outside looks but I'm not a fan of the interior

  • @Schuey_M
    @Schuey_M 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I do like that Blue, looks similar to 'Shark Blue' on my Porsche 911. Mustang looks muscular and ready for action. 😎

    • @chriscampbell867
      @chriscampbell867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As a Shelby and GT3 owner.. I agree.

  • @googleuser3007
    @googleuser3007 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The Camaro’s rear visibility is crap, but that Alpha Platform is just unbeatable. I’ve driven a standard v6 RS from Enterprise rental and modified SS (750hp) in San Francisco last year. Rented from Hertz. Drove from San Francisco to Napa. I couldn’t see anything out the back window, but the Camaro was absolutely planted to the road. I touched 130mph several times. A Dodge TRX kept testing me on that uphill pull after the Bay Bridge. He didn’t know I had some extra juice. 😂 Also, coming back one of them darn CHiPs officers on a Harley rolled up next to me and gave me the look-“I’m watching you.” I want to say, “Let’s Go” so bad. 😂

    • @redsview
      @redsview 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah you need to drive some mustangs if you think camaros are nice lol..

  • @mounzerchebbo1533
    @mounzerchebbo1533 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    you are the only reviewer who is bringing the soft limiter issue and i find it very true. i feel it very well in the 5.0 S550 manual too!

    • @BadBackOz
      @BadBackOz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't seem to have this issue on my 2020.

    • @Glibzer
      @Glibzer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think its only because launch control is enabled, i see the LC i. The bottom

    • @mounzerchebbo1533
      @mounzerchebbo1533 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Glibzer no i mean lets say ur accelerating from second or thrid gear . U can feel when u reach 7 k that the acceleration force has stopped. Maybe it has to do with my 3.55 ratio on an eu performance pack gt

    • @mounzerchebbo1533
      @mounzerchebbo1533 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Glibzer no i mean lets say ur accelerating from second or thrid gear . U can feel when u reach 7 k that the acceleration force has stopped. Maybe it has to do with my 3.55 ratio on an eu performance pack gt

  • @deviantarsenal
    @deviantarsenal 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Always look forward to your reviews, Carlos! I love the blue Dark Horse. I always preferred the Camaro over the Mustang but this is another Mustang I wouldn't mind having! With the manual of course.

    • @CarlosLago
      @CarlosLago 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Thanks!

    • @gigi9467
      @gigi9467 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It loos like the camaro and the camaro has real sport car chops

    • @deviantarsenal
      @deviantarsenal 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@gigi9467 Yea, the SS 1LE or the ZL1 1LE are some of the best sports cars for the money! The Alpha chassis was such a win for Chevy. I think they use the Alpha chassis for the new Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing, which is probably why it's so damn good, even as a 4 door sedan!

    • @bird-man4022
      @bird-man4022 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @ornsteinoftheabyss,
      You would be correct, Sir!!
      I keep saying it…when GM built the 6th Gen “Tracky” Camaro, they built A MASTERPIECE!!
      This is objectively true.
      There’s no way a muscle car gets to *also be a legit sports car, but GM did it..👍

    • @deviantarsenal
      @deviantarsenal 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bird-man4022 It is truly a shame that the Camaro is going away. It has been the best rivalry to the Mustang and one of the best looking cars Chevy ever made, next to the Vette. I really hope they don't taint the name and turn it into an SUV like Ford did with the Mustang.

  • @MrHighlyEvolved
    @MrHighlyEvolved 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    It's disappointing to hear that the front end of this car is vague and uncommunicative like reviews for the GT mentioned. Trying to guess what the front end is doing while on track is not a good time.

    • @wadesloan
      @wadesloan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      same. I was hoping the Dark Horse wouldn't have the same issue. Deal breaker for me, but still a cool car

    • @dennishilligoss7386
      @dennishilligoss7386 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That’s assuming your as an accomplished driver as the C/D driver

    • @wadesloan
      @wadesloan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @dennishilligoss7386 you don't have to be an accomplished driver to appreciate the benefit of a car that communicates what the front wheels are doing well. Cars with a lack of feel are less confidence inspiring and not as satisfying in my opinion

    • @jtc1964x
      @jtc1964x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@wadesloanexactly! There is no excuse for this flaw

    • @EthanTodd.
      @EthanTodd. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s also one opinion. Every other review has stated otherwise.

  • @allwheeldrive
    @allwheeldrive 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    About that redline/limiter thing: Some owners will, indeed, take advantage of that extra room on the tach. No doubt there will be several aftermarket options to address that. It also seems the steering "improvements" that are on all the versions, which seems like the right approach, took some of the feel out, the opposite of what it sounds like they were going for. I would think, too, some of the other issues are software related and will be worked out when it hits the streets. Monumental effort, though, and ecstatic it even exists!

    • @redsview
      @redsview 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The steering is perfectly where it should be feel wise. Have fun knuckling the steering wheel every drift or hard corner. U ppl never been to a track in your life.

  • @chrisstopher2277
    @chrisstopher2277 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your my favorite car journalism. Man you have such a trustworthy vibe.

  • @machdaddy6451
    @machdaddy6451 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    IMO the rivalry between the Camaro and Mustang made both of them better.

  • @mirandadeel2702
    @mirandadeel2702 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤Thank you for sharing this beautiful car God bless you

  • @blu_is500
    @blu_is500 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have always loved LOVED the Mustang! Would never own one, but God I love its ruckus-ness. 😍 You posted up an amazing review and presented the car very well. Thank you!

    • @FL50ssp
      @FL50ssp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This looks a lot like the 6th Gen Camaro though.

  • @mmf9765
    @mmf9765 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For the price fully loaded you have to ask yourself, zl1-zl1 1le-m2-gt350/350r-hellcat-used gt500 possibly… what you gone pick ? 🤔

    • @wadesloan
      @wadesloan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      GT350 hands down!

    • @tommyboyGT350
      @tommyboyGT350 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But you see we have a lot of Ford ball washers commenting on this video 😅
      Oh, man I'm gonna get me a dark horse it is sick lol .

    • @jmmch3358
      @jmmch3358 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Camaro ZL1 or SS1LE

    • @mikehughes8023
      @mikehughes8023 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tommyboyGT350Factz! I’ll take Alex word on it too!

  • @darockguitar1
    @darockguitar1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Impressed with the quality of the shots filmed in this video compared to other mustang dark horse driving reveals 🎉

  • @arymonem
    @arymonem 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    It’s called evolution. We’re moving forward. Things do change, and not stay the same. Same with this car. We all love it to be the same old mustang we remembered, but the technology has changed. Instead of complaining, we should embrace it and enjoy it for what it is. I personally like it.

    • @rmp5s
      @rmp5s 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Nah. Hard pass on all these stupid screens. I'd just but used.

  • @kamikazekid76
    @kamikazekid76 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I must be gettting old because it looks like a modern Camero. and it doesnt have that muscle car feeling with the big touch screens. I hope Shellby, Steeda, Hennessey, Roush, can give it some more muscle car feel.

  • @paulm6481
    @paulm6481 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That’s a man’s man driving that great car. Great video and acting and driving. Damn.

  • @cayennepeppa707
    @cayennepeppa707 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I've heard the same about the steering feel. Why would it be lacking? Why would Ford continue to make a car that has a numb feeling to the steering? As sensual as this car is, it's amazing to me that they haven't gone for the throat on that aspect of it. Think about it- the sound of the car is amazing. It's a visually appealing car- beautiful. The smell of leather, rubber, gas- F-me! Love it! Somehow they either didn't or forgot that the feel from the road is just as important as the other things a driving enthusiast loves about a sports car. Good job, Ford, but ya could'a been awesome, is what it sounds like.

    • @redsview
      @redsview 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So it's not a work out to drive around a track or drift..

  • @justinklink1588
    @justinklink1588 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thats a damn good looking car.

    • @FL50ssp
      @FL50ssp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are only saying this because it looks like a Camaro.

  • @vgladi7103
    @vgladi7103 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I aint paying $60k on a stock stang ill enjoy my stock ctsv

  • @drfaticus
    @drfaticus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    I will stick with my 2014 GT500!!😎

    • @FastFrank1408
      @FastFrank1408 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just wondering what year did you get it?

    • @drfaticus
      @drfaticus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FastFrank1408 2017

    • @FastFrank1408
      @FastFrank1408 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@drfaticus cool. How much was it.

    • @drfaticus
      @drfaticus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@FastFrank1408 62K with less than 3500 miles on it

    • @coyotelife9732
      @coyotelife9732 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I'd never let go of that. Easily one of the top 3 best mustangs ever made.

  • @Freddy_Confetti
    @Freddy_Confetti 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Red looks good on this car

  • @stevehorvat69
    @stevehorvat69 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The seats you were showing when mentioning the Recaros are the standard seats with the adjustable headrests.

    • @Mustgtcs07
      @Mustgtcs07 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I noticed that too, they they showed the Recaro's.

  • @mhofma12
    @mhofma12 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The interior is so disconnected from past Mustang evolution in design. Could be a Kia, Hyundai who knows. Such an opportunity and history to build on and this seems to have fallen short.

  • @horse5407
    @horse5407 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It sounds amazing. Really does. It looks like a Camaro from the front which is really odd.

  • @practicaldriver
    @practicaldriver 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm a simple man. I see Carlos, I watch and upvote.

  • @EchoSigma6
    @EchoSigma6 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What makes the mustang a better driver’s car is outward visibility, you don’t feel like you’re in a pill box. Plus the car has good lines, it’s a classic shape. I still prefer 6th gen mustang design. The new one’s front and rear design is a little divisive for me.

  • @SantoineBethel
    @SantoineBethel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just can’t pay $75k for a dressed up Mustang GT Premium, when the Mustang GT500 used to sell at that price. I know vehicles are getting more expensive, but why would I buy a Mustang over a C8 Corvette? I’ve owned 6 Stangs with the years being between 03-2017, and I’m not sure if I could buy another because of the price.

    • @ragingbull94mtx
      @ragingbull94mtx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Manual transmission.

  • @WhaaaaTha
    @WhaaaaTha 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thats a properly done limiter...if youre waiting for redline you're gonna miss it, as drag racers we always put the shift indicator 200-300rpm below actual redline....especially in 1st or 2nd where the revs build fast.

  • @LeachimSagrav333
    @LeachimSagrav333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dealer markups coming in hot already seen a couple at over 100k😮

  • @chrish8487
    @chrish8487 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    70-80k for a 2 door pony car that weighs 3,975 (!) and is slower than my C6 vette which has the venerable LS3 and TR-6060 and weighs 750lbs less that we bought for 27k with 11k miles. Seriously, I don't get the appeal but I applaud Ford for making an honest-to-goodness V8 with a MT.

  • @mjbakedbeans
    @mjbakedbeans 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The fuel cutoff for my 22 GT is 7300 rpm and the gauge goes to 8. The GT350 had a special analogue gauge that went to 9k. Maybe they're going to do a new 350 with digital dash and want to keep it the same as the GT dash? Unlikely. also when modified these coyotes went over 8K rpm so youd have to have a seperate gauge to read the rpm so this could help that scenario.

    • @al151
      @al151 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you 100% positive on the fuel cutoff for the 22. 2018 and up should have 7400 rpm fuel cutoff. Unless tuned, that is the stock hard limiter on the s550.

    • @mjbakedbeans
      @mjbakedbeans 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@al151 I was in fact wrong and you were right, it is 7300.

  • @IronChefNC
    @IronChefNC 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This would explain why 1 saw 3 s650s otw home from work on 24/27 last week

  • @Racer_Mike87
    @Racer_Mike87 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what camera's are you using?

  • @andrewmain8022
    @andrewmain8022 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Personally I don't like the spoiler which I think spoils the lines of the car. Can you say at what speed you have to go before it has any effect? I still prefer my S550 especially the interior and instrument binnacle etc. Really helpful review thanks.

  • @spikefishproductions
    @spikefishproductions 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interior with screens is a big improvement.
    No hokey “ground speed”, craptastic one way toggle switches, etc.
    Also no mt82…

  • @danielweiss9009
    @danielweiss9009 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Have a 2022 Camaro SS today and a had 2020 Bullitt a couple years back, BTW both Manual!!! Love the new screens in the Dark horse and the colors ... but in reality its the TREMEC that makes all the difference if you haven't had the chance... I like the Ford inside with all the bells and whistles, but the Camaro drives so much better (Transmission). This may be the mix we all needed!!!

  • @quewayne1676
    @quewayne1676 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ‼️please someone tell me what’s the name of the song they used at time stamp 2:46🙏🏽

  • @craigyirush3492
    @craigyirush3492 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agree, it’s sad that the Camaro and Challenger are gone. Gonna be holding on to my Hemi R/T manual for a long time.

    • @mickjames666
      @mickjames666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don't blame you. I love my 66 Mustang with a 347!!

    • @coyotelife9732
      @coyotelife9732 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would keep it forever if I were you. I want to find a decent 2012 Boss 302 and I want to be buried in it.

  • @adamsytsma1681
    @adamsytsma1681 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Been hearing that in every review so far that the end feeling is almost gone. I just don't understand why they do that. I want to feel everything going on. Some of us above average drivers want that back!

    • @redsview
      @redsview 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You don't drift so you wouldn't understand..

    • @benboyd3082
      @benboyd3082 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@redsviewlong live Ken Block!

  • @sliknik1025
    @sliknik1025 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Camaro isn’t dead yet, Carlos, 2024 is the last year for the current generation Camaro.

  • @LIMuscleBlackdevil
    @LIMuscleBlackdevil 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So depressing. These cars are going away and the last few years we have left to try and grab one, all the dealers are price gouging the hell out of everything, making them unobtainable for many.

  • @volcom52002
    @volcom52002 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Carlos is one of the few journalist I truly trusts

  • @scottnewellguitar
    @scottnewellguitar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    FYI the print article refers incorrectly to "Vapor Blue" as the darker color that mutes that accents (confusing with Dark Ember, which is the dark blue offered in the '24). Vapor Blue is the bondo clearcoat, err, light gray/kinda not really blue color offering.

    • @CarlosLago
      @CarlosLago 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just checked the consumer site and it looks correct to me. Vapor Blue Metallic is the darker, somewhat hue-shifting blue. I don't see Dark Ember; did you mean Dark Matter?

    • @fallenxangel105
      @fallenxangel105 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@CarlosLagoblue ember is the colorshifting dark blue. The vapor blue is light grayish blue.

  • @johnsims2293
    @johnsims2293 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    S197 FOR LIFE!!!

  • @punjabeeplaya
    @punjabeeplaya 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Can't wait to see more Carlos and @throttlehouse crossovers. I miss the Carlos Lago deep dives too.

  • @BlakeNimeeRacing
    @BlakeNimeeRacing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How does this compare to a GT350R or Mach 1 with the handling pack?

    • @gtrance3567
      @gtrance3567 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s probably a lot like the Mach one, but with a little bit extra horsepower.

  • @brucetumblinjr7980
    @brucetumblinjr7980 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My Mustang came with Sport Cup 2’s with the Handling Package

    • @CarlosLago
      @CarlosLago 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No longer the case with the 7th gen Mustang.

    • @brucetumblinjr7980
      @brucetumblinjr7980 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@CarlosLago I see

  • @xliu37
    @xliu37 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Where is double hump dash? Big screen just followed trend, it losts it’s heritage design

  • @0ttoman
    @0ttoman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I never thought I’d see the day where a mustang and a C8 corvette would overlap in price. 🤯

  • @killercan10
    @killercan10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Dark Horse Premium with manual transmission, the handling pack and Recaros is $71,505. The Camaro ZL1 comes with Recaros, its standard suspension and 1LE SS are the same, and its $69,995. Go to the ZL1 1LE and its $77,495. So for less money than the Dark Horse you get 650hp and a 3907lbs curb weight or for $6000 more than the Dark Horse Premium wiht handling and Recaros you get 650hp, 3853lbs curb weight and way more car overall. How does one on still go Camaro here? And while you can still buy an SS 1LE for under $50,000, you can throw on a cold air intake and a dyno tune and turn that 460hp near that 500hp mark and still come out way cheaper and lighter than the Dark Horse.

    • @ragingbull94mtx
      @ragingbull94mtx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The reasons you outlined is exactly why I bought my 2020 Camaro LT1 6-speed when I was cross-shopping Mustang/Challenger. The Camaro is a better overall value.

    • @mattsomeonewithansrt3948
      @mattsomeonewithansrt3948 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Darkhorse Looks alright I need to see it in person. it's only 500hp though. my charger hellcat would blow it doors off. for 60k it would be a good value

  • @vcjjj08
    @vcjjj08 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I am not a Ford person but once he said Recaro seats I changed my mind about Stangs. See I was in a very bad accident in '21 and was almost killed in a '19 ZL1. The Recaro Seats with all the nanny electronics saved my life and I got out with a busted left heel and fractured tibia. Let's just say I can piss a lot of metal detectors. Give me Recaro seats in this bad boy and I can be alright.

  • @mattdickson382
    @mattdickson382 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video...not necessarily a Ford fan but a V8 that revs to over 7K is never a bad thing. I know it's been a while, but Carlos was a great addition to the team, always enjoy his content. Keep the great vids coming!

  • @Raul619Meza
    @Raul619Meza 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I expect Lund Racing to get rid of that rev limiter 😂

  • @AZMTB
    @AZMTB 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thought people would be more excited about this car, but I think I'll stick with my ZL1 1LE for a few more years at least.

  • @etjulien
    @etjulien 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is there going to be a new version of the GT500? Or, has that been killed off?

  • @rwillaz
    @rwillaz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I watched the video at 1.5X speed and the Dark Horse reached Mach 3.0!

  • @nealfry2230
    @nealfry2230 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'll Always Love Heroes Hayden Panettiere

  • @JacesOwnWorld
    @JacesOwnWorld 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Every car TH-camr just drove the DarkHorse, and are posting their vids at the same time, saying the same exact stuff. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @user-pw4rv2kl8b
    @user-pw4rv2kl8b 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's called a cumstang look at it Camaro and mustang had a baby

  • @TexasSteele67
    @TexasSteele67 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've done nothing but collect as many ICE engines as possible fer the last 10 years- I'm with you on the bittersweet end - 11' 5.0 Boss/ 15' ZO6/21' 392 Rubicon/ 22' TRX - maybe time fer one more 25' ZR1 perhaps

  • @yatubekid
    @yatubekid 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad he said actual muscle car. Someone who finally knows the proper term.

  • @alvinxsingh
    @alvinxsingh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I really wish the Mustang was built on the Camaro platform.

    • @mickjames666
      @mickjames666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your a Moran.

  • @claudeben
    @claudeben 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! 1540 MPH ? That’s amazing.

  • @daryl9799
    @daryl9799 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For what they will charge for this plus the rediculous markups coming a 2022 gt500 would be a way better bet. Im a huge mustang guy but not sure about the new ones.

  • @jaytrnst
    @jaytrnst 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the 0-60 and quarter mile

  • @zooker7507
    @zooker7507 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One hot lap without talking and camera facing pov was what I was hoping for. Just one lap would have been nice.

  • @DavidReese2ndA
    @DavidReese2ndA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the Red or the Metallic blue

  • @erijavec
    @erijavec 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice review! I didn’t think I would, but I actually dig the satin eyeliner design.

  • @myoneblackfriend3151
    @myoneblackfriend3151 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First of all: I am happy to see you reviewing a car again. Secondly, that car looks like a Camaro with a different nose.

  • @karlhungus8946
    @karlhungus8946 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "But that car doesn't really exist anymore."
    Sure it does. The Camaro is still being produced, and it'll continue production into early 2024. I know because I just bought a new 1LE. So yes, a comparison between the two cars would definitely be relevant.

    • @bird-man4022
      @bird-man4022 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @karlhungus8946,,
      EXACTLY!!
      I’ll keep saying it..Our cars with Alpha chassis + 1LE Track Pack is a masterpiece.
      TBH, I want to see the Dark Horse manual (vs) SS1LE manual “head 2 head” on track.
      I’m willing to bet the difference between the two won’t be more than 2 seconds.
      We’re talking $45k for the Camaro (vs) $60-$70k for the new Mustang Dark Horse.
      Would track times and the “driving experience” justify the price difference?

  • @georgemerusi299
    @georgemerusi299 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Would love to see a Dark Horse vs 5th Gen Z/28. On paper it seems like a good comparision, even if the Z/28 is almost 10 years older.

    • @chucktaylor9190
      @chucktaylor9190 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      2015 Camaro Z/28 with 7.0L engine got smoke by a 2015 GT350R with a 5.2L engine.

    • @bird-man4022
      @bird-man4022 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @georgemerusi299,
      I would love to see that matchup!
      Afterwards, I’d like to see the Darkhorse vs the 6th Gen SS1LE, given it laid down a slightly faster track time than the Z28, and it’s lighter weight.

    • @redsview
      @redsview 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah ford #1 always

    • @FL50ssp
      @FL50ssp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chucktaylor9190 It did when did this happen? According to LL Z/28 beat gt350r with all the frdo bandaids at VIR Grand Course.

  • @JamaicanMeCrazy
    @JamaicanMeCrazy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Why is this 4000lbs

    • @billymania11
      @billymania11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Government mandated safety equipment and standards and Ford designs the model to be tough and reliable. It all adds up.

  • @loualiberti4781
    @loualiberti4781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice looking Camaro

  • @damio3002
    @damio3002 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wonder how the Roush is going to look

  • @juanc5149
    @juanc5149 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What did he ever do with that white ls swapped s13?

  • @dumbestoyster
    @dumbestoyster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey! Larlos Cago...long time, no see

  • @samuelfitzpatrick9739
    @samuelfitzpatrick9739 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why are you guys acting like this is a new car. It's the same old mustang with new clothes.

  • @andrewward4246
    @andrewward4246 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I don't like the name or the logo... they had so many iconic names to choose from. Boss? Mach 1? Shelby GT?

    • @Anthonyrs2
      @Anthonyrs2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Shleby

  • @vulturex3265
    @vulturex3265 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    They need to have a package that does NOT have that big screen up front - I absolutely hate it! It looks like trash....I would rather have a gauge cluster than that crappy looking screen. Probably one smaller screen would be way better. I can't be the only one that thanks the large screen is crap. I love my 14GT and will probably just get the engine built before buying this Camaro/Mustang hybrid. The only thing I like about it is the Engine but I hear it's not tunable except by Company's Ford has chosen to mod it. Which makes me more likely to just refresh my vehicle.

    • @chriscampbell867
      @chriscampbell867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Glass screen gauges are out of place, wrong car!

    • @kennethfulk8312
      @kennethfulk8312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      love the digital dash and can change it to multiple type screens, I wish my 2018 mustang had a digital dash than the two boring round gages !!!!

    • @kennethfulk8312
      @kennethfulk8312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love the digital dash big time, makes the inside pop like driving in a space aged cockpit, it's about time Ford put some excitement inside the mustang finally.

  • @mikewatch1487
    @mikewatch1487 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does this exhaust sound that raspy in real life.?

  • @danny200mph5
    @danny200mph5 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dark Horse W/Handling Package. We need lap times VS other cars

  • @zzhughesd
    @zzhughesd 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Proper name. US names hot cars properly. Unlike here in UK

  • @gyzfr6
    @gyzfr6 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The final nail in the coffin for internal combustion will be when electric cars finally go lightweight. Still...people get rid of cars every 3 to 5 years, where are all those toxic batteries going to? yunkyard? fumes, ground pollution? I'm glad a few manufacturers are investigating alternative fuels to keep internal combustion running.

    • @Mrbobcat7
      @Mrbobcat7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But how will they make them lightweight. Those battery packs weigh more than most cars in itself. Maybe in 20 years, but I'm thinking the ICE will have made a comeback by then.

  • @swizlstik
    @swizlstik 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Cool looking Camaro. That shift knob is going to be brutal in an Arizona summer.

    • @AshyyygamingYT
      @AshyyygamingYT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂😂😂 I'm sticking with the real Camaro

    • @jmmch3358
      @jmmch3358 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or Texas summer

    • @mickjames666
      @mickjames666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stick to your general motors crap.

    • @heronthere
      @heronthere 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its hollow so it shouldnt absorb heat. My 2003 mach 1 is solid aluminum. It will burn you.

  • @Heath3250
    @Heath3250 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So new style and stickier tires. Got it.

  • @keeyoni
    @keeyoni 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hmm the last hurrah, maybe. What will the electrified version bring to the table in technology and design.

  • @robertaugustine5350
    @robertaugustine5350 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There are some that just have to have the “latest” of whatever. This car isn’t fundamentally better than the 16-21 GT350, which precludes me from even being curious. The move from S197 to S550 was big and deserved attention. This is just a new interior. Sorry Ford, I think you swung and missed.

  • @badass1g
    @badass1g 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great looking car but needs boost and more power. 500 is not enough for a 4k lb car esp at elevation 😅

  • @roadracing3
    @roadracing3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It will be interesting to see if this car (with the sticky Trofeos) will finally beat and be as durable as a Gen6 SS 1LE on the road course. Ford has kept throwing iterations at the SS 1LE and keeps coming up short while also being significantly more expensive than the Camaro.

    • @brucetumblinjr7980
      @brucetumblinjr7980 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dude where are you getting your information from? The SS 1LE is not faster then the Mach 1 with Handling Package on ANY track!

    • @al151
      @al151 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@brucetumblinjr7980forget about the Mach 1 , go to Throttle House lap times, Camaro ss 1le is even faster than a GT500 around a track. There is a reason why we never saw a single same day auto vs auto or manual vs manual ss 1le and mach 1 comparison. Give both cars the same tires, Camaro is clearly faster around a track. Ford never let that comparison happened, same goes for the regular GT350. Again Ford did not want that comparison done also. All we have is different day different track environment CarandDriver lap times, which does not reflect same day comparison. Hack that Mach1 even put down faster times than a GT350R 😂 which is not even possible.

    • @billymania11
      @billymania11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Different priorities. Chevy wanted good handling high up on the list. Ford cares slightly less about that. Both are excellent automobiles.

    • @dontadeshun
      @dontadeshun 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@al151finally someone speaking facts

  • @kahless0173
    @kahless0173 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    its not making 500hp because of the connecting rods theyre just there to help hold things together. unless theres something else its just the tune.

    • @cbca6567
      @cbca6567 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree that the presenter gave the wrong reasons and connecting rods do not bring greater power. The dual air intake 80mm throttle bodies compared to previous generation single throttle body produces more air which enables more fuel to be supplied and as a result more power combined with a longer duration exhaust cam to help get out the extra air. Added to this there is an oil pan to reduce windage losses and a new left side exhaust manifolf to improve flow.

    • @CarlosLago
      @CarlosLago 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yeah, a better explanation would've been something like they provided durability for the tune that gave it more power, or something like that. I was pretty ragged by the end of the day and could've been more accurate with word choice.

    • @cbca6567
      @cbca6567 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@CarlosLago Having listened again to your explanation you were comparing the 480hp GT engine to the 500hp engine so the normal GT had the upgrade from previous gen Coyote engine due to the reasons I gave. However the reasons for the upgrade and difference between the Dark Horse 500hp engine and the Mustang GT 480 engine were not only engine tune. Road and Track in one of their articles mentioned the Dark horse engine in comparison has a stronger new crankshaft (again not power producing), forged connecting rods (not power producing), and new camshafts which are definitely power producing and probably the main reason.

  • @firedell1031
    @firedell1031 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the Dark Horse, but I really can't get over how much I hate all that extra black plastic on the front bumper.

    • @bobbowie9350
      @bobbowie9350 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup. Its tragic. Unbelievably cheap looking . Amateurish.