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Basketball Examined I love the music
It depends on what the analytics video and Jordan video are actually about.
Keep the music
MJ vid please
keep it classic and mj video. whats the name of the song btw?
Love the music but completely diagree on the video. Anomalies happen. If you vote based best player best team last year makes sense to vote the other way because someone did something someone didn't do in 50 years. Does it matter how he really got them. The fact that he achived it is enough. Look at the curry mvp year they won the most games in a regular season ever. Again an anomaly. So you picked two years when history was basically broken and said because the they dont fit the way they vote for the mvp there exposed. I don't even like most of these guys and it's a stretch. Your better than that. It's a dislike from me. Step your game up. Look forward to a good bounce back vid in the next video man.
Basing an MVP vote solely on stats is like wifing a girl solely on looks. You don’t get the full picture.
Sam The Lion cowherd is that you? why else would I wife a bitch then
Thank you
Sam The Lion exactly, I usually love these videos but it doesn’t work the same on this one because if there were set standards for mvp we wouldn’t need voters. Narrative and eye test definitely go into these votes so inconsistencies in stats don’t really matter.
@@ryancole7376 inconsistency matters when sometimes there is bias behind it, and in some cases sadly even pure stupidity. But sometimes, as you said, narrative can play (rightfully) and big part too.
There was also the large efficiency difference between curry and harden. Raw scoring doesn't mean mvp. But people were swept up by Westbrook's triple doubles while ignoring how he was getting them.
STATS DONT LIE
If he wanted too he'dhave more triple doubles than westbrook
@STATS DONT LIE So in your mind, a stat padder is someone who takes advantage of his environment? I think you need a new definition. Playing well is not the same as being a stat Padder. Taking advantage of your opponents weaknesses is the essence of competition. To Pad stats is to work against the interests of the team to further your own ends. You have yet to establish that this is what LeBron did in Cleveland.
This is funny af looking at leblame james now , shiieett
@STATS DONT LIE this mans was preaching earrrllyy!!
Harden was the most efficient scorer in the league
STANDING OVATION.
The important word in the MVP race is "NARRATIVE".....Always follow the narrative.....
Summer 2016: KD signs with the Warriors. From the day he signed to Opening night, I heard 2 sentences on ESPN repeatedly....
1. "There is no way KD can win MVP after a move like that".
2. "Don't be surprised if Russ averages a triple-double and wins MVP as revenge".
Every year they lay out all the agendas very early on if you playing attention.....
xfacta334 facts my guy
I remember this vividly. The narrative is the reason why unless KD wins another Finals MVP I doubt he will ever be MVP again. The narrative is also why they couldn’t see past Westbrook’s empty stats last season and give the MVP to Harden who rightfully deserved it. It is straight nonsense.
True story, but KD will be a season MVP again just gotta wait for the right narrative. Here's 4 easy paths....
1. He goes complete "BEAST MODE" and forces the issue (he's one of a VERY small group of players that can pull this card)
2. Steph's injury history finally catches up to him. (He'll get the sympathy votes and Steph's votes.)
3. KD leaves the Warriors and goes to DC or back to OKC.
4. A "depressed" field. (There's a reason the "Lebron in Year 15" agenda is the number 1 MVP race talking point right now.)
Those are the paths I see right now but unless he "does" something crazy or says something "off script" he will hold that trophy again his NAME too big for him not to. As for the finals MVPs, he will damn near always get that right now whenever the Warriors win cause Steph consistantly gets slightly exposed in the playoffs and its easier to turn to the next big name on the winning team than to have a 2015 debacle all over again.
xfacta334 the thing is I don’t doubt any of these options. The media have to do better. They talk and think like casual basketball fans at times.
Damn, I'ma be looking for that next season
That's how I knew LeBron was going to the Lakers lol
I'm ok with who won the awards, but I also find your videos well researched and entertaining.
This is exactly why the MVP's or Finals MVP should not be used in discussion who is the better player.
The media has no merit and will change the criteria or requirement for being MVP based on the narrative that they want to push. Max Kellerman on ESPN is now saying LeBron James should be MVP now because if you put him on the Rockets, they will be X amount better. This illogical Fallacy of LeBron making everyone better when this season alone, he traded almost his entire team and got brand new teammates.
MVPs
Steve Nash = 2
Shaq = 1
Nobody on the planet outside Steve Nash's family would say Steve Nash is better than Shaq because he has more MVPS. It's the same reason why its unreasonable to say LeBron is better than Kobe because he has 3 more MVPs.
More does not equate to better. Quality is greater than Quantity.
Finals MVP
Andre Iguodala = 1
Steph Curry = 0
By this logic of more = better; You would have to say Andre is better but that simply isn't the case. Accolades and Stats lie; they vary by coaching style, position, era of basketball, the media votes etc.
All that matters is winning championships; then you base the value of the player based on the opinion of their peers also know as the professionals.
1. Hall of Fame players
2. All-Stars
3. NBA players
4. Coaches
5. Analyst
The most important opinion when discussing who is better is asking a professional who actually eats, sleeps and lives basketball. Not a blogger from the stands who can't even dribble between their legs.
jujurawks
Glad to finally see that I'm no longer the only individual who truly believes the MVPS, all NBA teams, player of the year, and the other media VOTED awards are overrated... all those awards are really utilized by the NBA to expand their business and to endorse their so called most prominent players in their league... the awards are ONLY based on box score stats, popularity, endorsements, and annual salaries... the voting process is EXTREMELY subjective and bias...
Mmm idk about hall of famers opinions , unless they played around the same time then I can take them seriously, otherwise you get people like chuck Barkley talking about nonsense
They allowed players to vote for all star and they did not take it seriously. When voting was revealed they saw NBA players had been voting for bench guys on their teams. Unfortunately it not about objectivity, rather making money for the league and media which is why narrative plays a large role :/
imperial7873
Which is why these overrated media accolades should not determine a player's legacy, impact, or dominance towards the game
Agree with most of ur point but disagree with how hall of camera or even players opinion holding more weight.
I love what you do man. Your intelligence, sincerity, objectivity and dilligence are very apparent. I certainly appreciate you.
And the beat is nice
Cool praise. 😎
Great video but I disagree that curry had worse stats in 2015
He only played 33 minutes a game and sat out so many 4th quarters
When looking at his per 36 numbers his stats look better than harden‘s
Less turnovers and much more efficient
Litty Titty Fact.
Litty Titty Per 36 numbers are trash. If someone scores 1 point in 1 minute and then goes off. Does that mean he would average 36? No.
Dylan Alves in that case you‘re right but we‘re talking about Stephen Curry here
And it makes sense that he would have scored more if he had gotten more minutes
Litty Titty An argument that is based on assumptions is not an argument. It's like saying LeBron could be one of the best defenders in the league if he tries. Unless he shows it, you can't use that argument. Exactly the same principal applies to the per 36 rule.
Dylan Alves of course it is an argument
And I think curry showed you in 2016 what he can do with more minutes
Even without more minutes he still had better stats
Like I said he was more efficient, had less turnovers, better defender, higher +/-, more win shares, and better team record
So what is your argument ?
Curry was the clear MVP in 2015. He led his team to the best record in basketball and he had better stats than Harden. Points were a bit lower but that's because he sat out a lot of 4th quarter blowouts. If you look at per 36 minutes stats: Harden - Points: 26.8, Assists: 6.8, Rebounds: 5.5, while Curry was: Points: 26.2, Assists: 8.5, Rebounds: 4.7. Curry not needing to play 4th quarters because of his play in the beginning of games shouldn't hurt his MVP case. Curry was also way more efficient.
In 2017 I personally would have voted for Harden. His numbers were almost as good as Westbrook's but he was slightly more efficient. I give the slight edge to Harden because he led his team to a better record and in my opinion efficiency matters more than a small scoring/rebounding advantage. I could still understand why someone would vote for Westbrook though.
In 2015 there was no case for Harden, Curry was the clear MVP. You can't fault the media members for picking the clear best candidate one year. If you disagree with them choosing Westbrook in 2017 that is fine, I do too. But that doesn't mean they are being inconsistent.
The video makes sense, but I do still think you are right about Curry deserving it in 2015. Stats weren't too much different and the Warriors record was quite a bit better. This year will be interesting. Harden is playing out of his mind (while not being that efficient) but he's keeping his team afloat during this span of injuries.
Curry was on the best team with the best system bench and played with two all stars Harden was playing with role players and his center Dwight Howard got injured so not to mention Harden lead Houston to the second spot
No one would take harden over curry, curry can make the players around him better while harden doesn't
@@trevorharmon1 that's irrelevant because no one would take Steph over LeBron and he actually makes his teammates better
@@Pacers2k7 I thought the conversation was curry vs harden not curry vs lebron
If they did a MVP by +/- which means you are the most valuable player on the most valuable team, Curry would have won 3 in a Row. That is the actual definition of MVP.
Thats dumb as hell, dragic had a bad +/- last season, and that doesnt mean he wasnt really important in the heat. Context matters
Steph deserved both of his MVP awards.
Great video. I also thought it was interesting to see the consistent vs inconsistent voters, bc I generally liked the consistent voters more as analysts so seeing that consistency kind of reaffirmed that opinion.
in the 2015 example curry averaged 32 min while harden was averaging almost 37, if you search per 36 stats you will notice that the point difference between them was only 0.5 points, while curry had almost 2 more assist. So when you take into account efficiency i would say curry had a statistical advantage that year. And with advantages in wins shared per 48 and the winning record, curry had the best season that year by a pretty large margin.
y tho per 36 is really a bs stat i could be a garbage time player that avg 7 ppg and 3 assist on 50% fg in 10 mins of play my 0er 36 numbers would be like 30+ppg and 8+assist im not doing the math but u get what im saying
jay pullum i understand your point, but by saying that you are insinuating that curry wouldn't be able to replicate those stats which we know is false. And you can't compare a player who only plays 7 min with a player who plays 32. The gap to 36 is much smaller which makes the event more posible.
@@jayvon221 But it's 32, not 7 and the case is pretty much opposite of what you present. Curry averaged just 32 minutes, because he sat out garbage time when there were blowout wins.
@@mishagelenava2962 this post is a year old so i really dont remember if i was claiming harden was better tham curry i was obviously drunk
@@jayvon221 no, you just claimed that per 36 stats are totally irrelevant. What I pointed out is that in this case when both players play real minutes and both play over 32 minutes, it's actually pretty good measurement.
The reason might be that something like a MVP voting can't be just narrowed down to 4 Numbers...
I'm really starting to get sick of these media members and their god damn narratives.
You're wrong this time. Steph was better than James in 2014-2015. More efficient, assists, steals, best record.
Gre J 35
Great observation!!! This is why James Harden should've then been MVP last season over Westbrook if we're being consistent. More assists, more efficient, better team record.
Gre J 35
Agreed about Curry but that does prove that Russ did not deserve it last year. Especially if you look back at all the projections for last season before the season started. The media expected OKC to have a better record and Playoff seed than HOU and expected OKC roster to be better than HOU. Even Las Vegas odds makers had OKC finishing with a higher playoff seed than HOU.
However Harden lead his team to exceed expectations while Russ lead his team to fall short of their expectations.
He also played less minutes and sat out a bunch of 4th qtrs that year taking that into consideration he easily had the better season statistically
Gre J 35 Exactly.
Westbrook won the MVP because nobody had done that in 55 years. But this season I'm shown that only plays to accumulate statistics. I'm glad for you, 10k views. You deserved a lot. Keep the great content 🙌👏
One major point about Curry 2015 mvp case: he didn’t play the 4th quarter
Quarter he played in 2016 that’s led us to see him reach 30 points a game
He was projected to reach 29 a game in 2015 by playing just 5-7 minutes more
absolutely fantastic video. if theres any justice in this world you'll hit 100k subs by at the very least the end of this year
Great Video like always.
I think a big factor in Westbrook MVP title is the fact that the ceremony/show was set after the end of the season. If it was still like before when the MVP titles was given during the playoffs, Harden would have won because the nba wouldn't give the title to a guy whose team was already out of the playoffs.
Westbrook was the first player to receive MVP from a team that was not 1st or 2nd place of its conference since MJ in the 80's (3rd with bulls).
The MVP title was there to hype the NBA finals and to allow media to sell more paper.
That"s why Jordan didn't get it every year because if he did nobody would watch the Finals knowing the bulls would win.
"Don't go away, the finals are between Jordan and the bulls, but this year he is facing the MVP: Charles Barkley (or Karl Malone). Don't you want to watch that?"
Unfortunately the role of the media is not to be consistent or fair but it is to sell paper (or views today). There is nothing wrong with that as long as we are aware of it. That's why they give MVP to different players, to create a different story every year.
"Unanimous MVP" is a story.
"Triple double MVP" is a story.
Westbrook is not going to have MVP this year because the public as already been told that story last year even if he average a triple double again. We need a new story: "The finally deserving MVP" for Harden could be one. "The old guy MVP" for Lebron James also.
Turned out the storyline was "a Greek freak with the mamba mentality"
This is how an argument should be constructed. Excellent expose.
As a Rockets fan, we’ve been the loudest about this since 2015. And honestly it’s cool. We’ve won 60 games for the first time in history this season and harden is easily the MVP and might even be unanimous. He should have 1 already but I understand the case for each player each year.
Unfortunately, it won't be unanimous. Too many Harden haters out there, the same people who scream that Harden cheats by drawing fouls, then look the other way at Golden State's illegal screens, Isaiah Thomas' palming the ball, etc.
He will never be unanimous... Heck I am actually worried that they somehow will give it to Lbj, the hate on Harden is real
Harden deserved to win the MVP last season, Westbrick has turned the triple double into the most overrated and useless stat, him and Lonzo Ball
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I agree 100%! Great video. Do you think some of these voters just don't like Harden and will twist their own logic just to fit a narrative in which he doesn't win?
how can media like Westbrook over Harden? Westbrook is well known to be a total jerk to the media.
Niccolò Machiavelli Flashy playstyle? Ive heard a lot of people say they think the way Harden play is boring
Ivan LCPM that euro step is a beauty! Harden displayed such a wide range of skills including passing, driving to the basket with finesse. Russ just attack with brute force
Niccolò Machiavelli I agree, but somehow people like to bash Harden for no apparent reason. My guess is people HATE when Harden plays against their team, it almost feels like cheating when he’s drawing those fouls like that, so people automatically dislike him as a player.
Ivan LCPM yup those FTS can really get on ur nerves and affect the flow of the game. Otherwise he seemed to be a really cool guy!
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I don't even watch or care for basketball but your videos are fascinating.
Just look at Harden 2015 vs Russ 2017 team roster
Harden: dwight for 41 games, beverley for 56 games, ariza for the full season.
Harden made josh smith, corey brewer, motiejunius, terrence jones all into 12 ppg contributors, after beverley went down, their pg rotation was a 37 jason terry and a 37 year old prigioni...
Russ: oladipo (who's all nba 3rd team next season), kanter (14/11 next season), sabonis (12/8 next season), adams (on a $100 Mil contract), roberson
but rockets won 55 got to wcf and thunder won 47 won 1 playoff game
Westbrick shoulod never have won that MVP. It was Leonar'ds vs Harden's for that year.
Great video. More people should call them out
Had to subscribe, your breakdowns are well thought out and nicely presented.
Great video I do have a question though. How do you get all the statistical information you use in your videos. Like in the Russell Westbrook video for example.
Man, I love your channel and it’s content. Your points are spot on, just wish you added in how narratives are the driving force. I argue this all the time. I think narratives effect the voters and are the only consistent factor year in and year out. Narratives can’t be measured by player stats. Example, Steph won it unanimously because of the effect he had on the league, including James harden. He’s changed the play-style of every team almost across the entire league. Russ was a beneficiary of KD joining Golden state, the bar was so low for him because of that move. With Lebron, if narratives wasn’t at play, he would win it mostly every year, including this one. But harden is going to get mostly because the narrative is that it’s been stolen from him the past couple of years and everyone is going to undermine the presence of Chris Paul. So I’m this regard, I think MVP voting has been consistently following narratives. Great job on your video and channel man 🙏🏽
So the ones who vote for Steph Carry in 2015 and James Harden in 2017 should vote for Giannis Antetokoumpo this year.
True, and the opposite is true. Those who voted for Harden in 2015 and Westbrook in 2017 should vote for Harden this year.
You are probably the best researcher on youtube not just for bball vids but overall i think! You ve literally made the MVP award look fraudulent.. media is a joke!
Great video man! Appreciate the research you put into it
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You make some great points. Although I think you're lacking a little of nuance by equating "voting for Curry means you can't vote for Russ two years later." In 2014-2015 Harden's stats were a tiny bit better. But being on a team with that much power and 68 wins could overshadow the small statistical difference. But during the later time Russ had such an insane year that then the record got overshadowed.
Man i really love every video you make
You should do this for when steve nash won his mvps
Great video!!!
The mvp voting as I have heard is really based on player of the month and player of the weeks. Whoever has more and has the “stats” gets the mvp. Doesn’t always work, but that’s what it’s supposed to be.
I agree with Stan Van Gundy. NBA players are not the ones voting for the Pulitzer so why is the media voting for NBA MVP?
That Westbrook assist argument has no ground. Harden's AST/TO ratio was .03 higher (basically no difference) than WB's and Harden led the league that year in TOs. If it wasn't Westbrook setting that assist to turnover record, it would've been Harden. That argument cancels itself out. Not to mention, Harden's team roster was 100x better and he still managed to out-turnover WB.
Would've picked both of them as well. If it were up to me, Steph wins it still. Why? Well, why else did he rest so many 4th quarters? Cuz he shot teams into a blowout by the 3rd. When it comes to Harden/WB, I'm still giving it to WB. I already refuted the assist argument and efficiency really wouldn't have played much of a role for the simple fact, Russ had to take a ton of shots out of necessity. At the end of the day, who meant more to their team? WB. Why? Had he'd been out for the year, OKC misses the playoffs completely. Harden's team still makes a 6th-8th seed easy in the same scenario. Kanter is normally a starter, but had to come off the bench that year because of how shallow that team was. He actually had to do it both years he was there. During his MVP season, OKC was 14th in bench scoring. Sub in Kanter where he should've been, a starter, they end up dead last at 21.3 PPG. He dragged that team to the playoffs, Harden coasted.
Great work...
There is a major difference between Steph Curry and James Harden in efficiency. Westbrook won it more because of the historical concept and try to sell it in the context that his team is bad which wasn't necessarily true. Also I feel like OKC will let Ruess do what ever he wants because he sells the seats for OKC especially sense KD left. So I don't think OKC is trying to win as much as they are trying to get big names on their team to sell tickets which is why they feed Westbrook. And let's face it Ruess winning MVP and padding his stats to do so is like a marketing skeam in a way to sell tickets
Good job. This is not new this has been going on for sometime.
Your videos are fantastic
This is why the fans should have 60% of the vote 🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Disagreed.
There are fans who are voting jokingly. And also they could have a bias of voting their man in their favorite team.
I prefer Media + Executives (But cannot vote for any player under your team)
Great video man
Good damn job dude.
Harden clearly should've been MVP in 2015 and 17
Excellent video
MVP should be voted by either past players and coaches, or all current players and coaches
Another great video
10:25 Shaq said fuck all that talking gimmie this damn trophy 😂😂😂
Talk about how Lebron was praised with 2 MVPs when he went to Miami and now KD & Steph “will never win another MVP”
Players have agendas too and can be just as bias as the media.
The MVP should always come from 1st or 2nd place teams. So The MVP for 16-17 season should be given to one of the Warriors: Curry or KD.
Thanks for mentioning that the argument that whoever voted for Curry in 2015 should have voted for Harden in 2017 because of wins, does not hold water. Harden didn't win that much himself. I think it should have been Kahwi, he had second seed, 61 wins and great stats, great defense. I'd argue for KD if he didn't get injured and didn't miss last part of the season, Steph should have had some votes too.
I generally agree, but I should also point out that being the best player on the best team and being the most statistically appealing choice are not always mutually exclusive things. Similarly, sometimes a player's numbers are so legitimately eye-catching that he must be part of the conversation even though his team does not enjoy a great deal of success. Statistics can also be shady, as is pointed out regarding Russell Westbrook.
I guess what I'm more or less putting out there is the old nugget about correlation not equating to causation.
What I always found funny was that the biggest narrative for Westbrook winning the MVP was being the first since Oscar Robertson to average a triple double, but when Big O averaged a triple double he didn't win the MVP Neither did Wilt, who averaged a record 50.4 ppg. The MVP that year went to Bill Russell, who didn't have better numbers than either but he wld his team to the best record, while averaging a solid 18 ppg and over 23 rpg. Even then we realized that wins plus good individual statistics mattered more than just exciting raw numbers.
Great vid
MVP is not only for stats and wins though. It's about your impact on the game and your significance to the team.
How it should have been:
2010 Kobe (57-25 on the tougher conference, 1st seed, eventual champion and third straight Finals, only SUPERstar on the roster, 27-5-5-2)
2013 KD (1st seed on the tougher conference, 28-8-5-1-1, played 81 games, won 60)
2015 James Harden (29-8-6-2, second seed, eventual WCF, did more with less, his co-star missed half the season)
2017 Harden/Westbrook co-MVPs (neither one should have “lost” the honor that year)
Great video! nothing but hard thruth, facts are facts, let´s say the manifactured triple double does not lead in anyway into winning the NBA title, and only encourages high usage with low efficiency and limited IQ
MVP voting is subjective. That is why they put it to voting with significant number of press members. I think it was intentionally left to interpretation what MVP really means because stats doesn't tell the whole story. Stats are there as reference for voters.
Bad video, curry had better stats in 2015.
Look at all the advanced statistics. Curry played less mins because he blew out teams in 3 quarters.
Kyrie THE LEADER Irving
Great observation!!! This then once again makes the case for James Harden in 2017 who had better advanced stats than Westbrook.
Remember, consistency is what we're looking for.
Basketball Examined
Yes, harden was a better scorer (efficiency) and better passer (ast to tov ratio, not by much)
Also, we know how Westbrook got those rebounds (u didn't mentioned Westbrook contested 3.5 shots per game defensively which is the lowest among players >30mins per game)
So voting for curry in 2015 then harden in 2017 is actually consistent voting, but I believe the voters just follow the narrative they like anyway.
Kyrie THE LEADER Irving bro can you send me a link to these stats you got there
meme God Basketball Reference bro
meme God just look up Curry’s advanced stats for 2015
In my opinion, the MVP award is for the most important player in their team
It's not only stats or team record or even efficiency, but a bit of all, for example, in the 2016-17 season, James Harden had a better season, but Westbrook was more important to OKC than Harden was to Houston, and that's that
Great informational video
One thing you ignored about Steph vs Harden in 2015 was EFFICIENCY. Look at their shooting splits that year and you'll see Steph's are significantly better. It's a pretty important stat you left out of your argument, and it puts Harden's "relatively better" stats in perspective a little bit.
Where do you get the footage from your videos just scowering you tube?
Player's choice are the awards that matter now that voting is restricted to folks that don't know all the teams and just look at stat sheets scouts prepare for them
If Nick Wright was voting, he'd have LBJ first, second and third place votes lol
They made cuury mvp becuase he was more efficient on a better team, the 1st seed team, they voted westbrook in his year because he averaged a historic(no matter how inefficient season) that no one else can replicate
great video
Steph Curry played less minutes and averaged better percentages. If he would have played the same amount he would have crushed Harden's numbers.
Eh not really, seeing as harden Played 36 minutes that year, we can use the per 36 min. stat and their numbers were comparable.
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The MVP is an individual award but I always thought team success should be a deciding factor, however I don’t mind Westbrook’s season being the exception. I personally wanted Kawhi to be MVP in 2017. And his performance in the playoffs was a clear indicator that he should’ve won it to me.
I would like to pointed out that in the ‘14-‘15 season Harden and the Rockets won a Southwest division where ALL five teams made the playoffs. That should have been the deciding factor with those voters.
Harden really really got robbed that year. The media wanted the literally, figuratively, and physically Golden Child That year Golden State would have been a 50 win, playoff bound team without Curry. The Rockets without Harden would been lottery bound.
Its okay, he finally got his MVP this year.
Imagine voting a man MVP for averaging 2 assists a game! Even Kobe averaged 5 a night cmon now
I get what you're saying, but in my opinion, averaging a 30 point triple double (something that at the time we haven't seen since Oscar) negates the 8 wins that the Rockets had over the Thunder in 2016-17, but averaging 27 and 7 on 44 37 86 compared to 24 8 on 48 44 91 doesn't negate those 11 wins the Warriors had over the Rockets. The averages were very similar, but Curry was more efficient and won 11 more games.
The reason why Westbrook won in 2017 is because he did something historic, iconic, even kinda legendary.
Ramona Shelburne and Brian Windhorst DO NOT deserve MVP votes or votes of any kind!! Windhorst is a guy that went to the same High School as LeBron James, what a joke!!
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I am not that much of a Harden fan but its ridiculous how he only has 1 MVP when he was tearing it up at Rockets every year. Same with KD, how does he only have 1 MVP??
Hmmm... not a Curry fan but other than the ones you pointed out(pts,blks and stls) and not by much, Curry beat Harden in all other stats. That's not including Turnovers and PER. so that's basically (asts,stls,ft%,fg%,3pt%,PER,TOs) and more than 10 games on the team win. Their stats are pretty much similar though, but really Curry beat him out on stats.
He was way more efficient and didn't pad his stats because he sat out a lot of 4th quarters then.
Giving the vote to Melo... Really
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There's no criteria, they vote every year depending on that particular year's perception and developing story lines.
It's a vote of sympathy, popularity. Not meaningful at all.
It's funny how the inconsistent voters are constitute of many women working at ESPN.. lol
If you take out Hardens ridiculous foul calls and free throws he would average 15 or so points a game. He shouldn’t even be in the conversation.
I got a idea for a future video for you: what a makes a good nba analyst
That would be a good video.
Westbrook needs to hand over his MVP award to Harden. Also fun fact: Wilt Chamberlain didn't even win the MVP the year he scored 50ppg and averaged 25rpg and still lost the MVP race so by that logic Westbrick should definately not be MVP
So you are not allowed to change your opinion on what is more important for the MVP vote. Maybe in the spring of 2017, some of those "inconsistent" people would have voted for Harden if asked to vote again for the 2014-15 MVP.
If Harden does not win MVP this year, he should sue the NBA
LMAO this guy is a funny choker he thinks the NBA is honest bahahaha! oh! Hehe I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. Lol he said basic logic 🤣 wholly 💩the bed!
cool vid but maybe lower the music some, makes it hard to hear what youre saying.
texag713: agreed
Shut the fuck up
@@shakurlaflare17 why so salty, he's right
Well if they don't give it to Harden this year with best stats, best team and doing a 60pt trip dub (NO ONE HAS DONE BEFORE IN THE NBA) then it's all rigged. Give that man his MVP.
Hey can you turn the background music down a little while ur talking and back to this level u have it while showing pics