The Raptors love the Red Scorpions because the glory hound bright red melee combatants make for EXCELLENT meat shields and diversions so they can potshot the enemy to death
@@RJALEXANDER777a Raptor takes out a hive tyrant who's carrying around 20 other Tyranids on his back, the Red Scorpion goes "that still counts as one!"
A thing I really love about the Raptors is how well they work alongside the Guard. They're not like "move over, dipshit mortals, it's Marine time!" with Guardsmen. Instead, they act more as a supplement to them. They will tend to take over Guard command at wherever they land, and then fight alongside the Guardsmen with astonishing efficiency. Essentially they just treat themselves as Guardsmen+, rather than the Emperor's special warriors. I'm certain that the Guardsmen themselves receive an extreme morale boost every time these guys show up. Also, should the Raptors and the Catachan Jungle Fighters ever be on the same battlefield, I'm fairly certain there's no saving whatever's on the other end of the gun.
Well, that's a trait they got from their parent Legion. The RG was always about being subtle, tactical and disrupting the enemy to such a degree that the Regulars could take the foe down with as little of a fight as possible. The Raptors just go about it a smidge different than their gene-sire.
I think it really says something about 40k as a setting with how the Space Marine chapter that's dedicated to actual military tactics and not wasting absurd time and resources hunting for glory and honor are somehow *more* alien than chapters that do shit like bone talisman readings to predict the future, pseudo-blood sacrifices before battles, or torturing themselves with a lovely item called a "Pain Glove" for the sake of meditation.
Favorite dudes, they're more like professional soldiers than warriors, unlike most chapters. My favorite fact about them is when working with guard units, they tend to try to keep them alive and use them to their utmost effectiveness. Good Bird boys.
tbh, I've hung around a lot of professional soldiers and a lot of the core traits I've seen in them really mirror the Raptors - pragmatism, not taking things personally while doing their job, a mission-focused respect for the chain of command as a concept (but not obsequiousnes if they think the higher-ups are full of shit), and a kind of fatalism that's really hard to explain to others who've never seen it.
@@dean_l33 It's kinda that, but it's also a kind of fatalism when it comes to who gets hit and who doesn't. Like, "anyone could bite the bullet at any time, yesterday it was you, tomorrow it might be me, so I just deal with what's in front of me today fully accepting this might be the day I die." I'm not even sure that's how these guys would express it themselves, but it's my attempt to do so.
I like how the Raptors are, because for once in the modern Imperium's history before Guilliman, they're actually competent in the sense that their strategy isn't just "just throw everything we have at the problem, and maybe we'll win"
The best part is that this is exactly what they originally were, but learned their harsh lesson and changed for the better. Every other Chapter we know of would have just doubled down.
@@stalinsoulz7872funny thing is that the Codex does say that you should repaint your armor to better blend in depending on the environment you’re fighting in, but do any Chapters aside from this one bother with it!? Obviously not.
I think they hit a similar nieche to what the salamander do. They exemplefies, through contrast, how backward the Imperiums ways of war are just like how the salamanders shows how cruel the Imperium is through contrast
Yea exactly I've been playing the rouge trader game and while the space wolf is a cool companion i think a salamander could've had more story potential
@@dinobro4273his pre made build is underwhelming but you can just respec his stats into what you like, and it’s more of a personal thing if you don’t like his character as how for me Ufar and Abelard are my traders best bro’s. Also Ulfars personal quest is genuinely one of the best in the game.
These guys are easily my favorites. The blend the best parts of space marines and Spartans, specifically spartan 3s to me, and I love how practical and tactical they are. Their colors are great too as that is easily one of my favorite shades of green. Love these guys
Fun fact Spartans 3s aren’t weaker than Spartans 2 they actually stronger in augmentation plus its safer. Gama company had an augmentation that basically gives them extreme durability to a point that a spartan had a portion of her brain destroyed several plasma wounds which melted her skin and some bones and yet she still lived. Reminds me of a custodian I think Ra? Spartans 2s can shrug of plasma but the Spartans 3s gama well they’re a different level.
@@patrickiamonfire965 A nameless Custodian basically did that too. Kept fighting traitor Astartes while everyone else around him noted that he is doing so while missing part of his brain. He then shambled unsteadily onto the dropship, and presumably was put to rest afterwards once his body caught up with the fact that he's dead. Unfortunate that Spartan-IIIs had to have that additional "Bellisarian Furnace" augmentation to do that, because the added step needed regular maintenance with chemical shots or otherwise they would go psycho.
@@SeanCrosser so it was a nameless custodian. The augmentation was easily maintained as far I know. They had spills for that. Spartans 3s becoming psycho was a problem because they might rush towards the battle jeopardising the operation. Spartans 3s didn’t go awol.
@@patrickiamonfire965only gama company are stronger than s2 but they need Anti psycho medicine to make them effective or they will just become lesser version of the crazy Assassin temple To put in simple words, S2 can operate for months with no contact to the unsc but Gama company needs to keep Contact so they operate in effective way, making them worse the others s3 & s2
The Raptors fight like an actual military force, and not knights with firearms. This practicality is practically unheard of in 40k, and as such they’re regarded as tactical geniuses.
They are not actually practical. They are infact rather delusional (due to being what someone who didn't think things through properly thinks would be practical). They think wasting expensive ammo they can only carry a small amount of against low level threats is practical vs melee (no expensive bolt rounds wasted) or super lasguns (cheap solar rechargeable ammo). They think they are being stealthy,l in their colours, despite still painting massive white insignias, when colour doesn't really matter as even insignificant threats like traitor guardsmen have access to handheld auspecs which means raptors in line of sight still stick out like sparklers in a dark room.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 the thing is Phobos armor does have stealth properties to help ignore detection. You’d think Auspexes would be at the top of the list of things to counter.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 For that first point I feel like the pros outweigh the cons. Sure you might be wasting ammo, but you're keeping yourself out of harm's way for the most part and you can stay hidden better by picking off enemies from a distance than getting up in their face with a chainsword. For the second point, I'm Raptors would paint over or wear cloaks like the ones shown in the video to give them better camouflage, and their armor is sure to have some sort of way of avoiding auspex scans. The Raptors are a successor chapter of the Raven guard, Space Marines who are specialists in stealth.
@@LordKasadoad I'm fairly certain armor color doesn't matter at all in 40k when it comes to camo because most enemies are either not human (and therefore don't see things the way we do) or have access to much better detection tech. The tradeoff of camouflage is always that the risk of friendly fire goes up because you can't identify your own soldiers. So if visual camouflage is superfluous, it makes sense that they ditch it completely and use color to identify each other. In fact I'm sure it's exactly what we would do if we faced an enemy that saw in black and white or in IR for instance; we would make bright blue uniforms to see each other while remaining camouflaged for the enemy. We already use different vision channels to identify ourselves in asymmetric warfare today: us soldiers used IR strobes on their helmets so that thermal and night vision devices could identify them, be that drones or other soldiers. Of course, if the Taliban had had the same tech, that would be a bad idea. What all this means in the end is that Raptors are either stupid or primarily fight low tech human heretics, see it as you want to. Additionally, we're quickly learning that modern warfare is not about making super soldiers and big expensive tanks but about making inexpensive munitions that can dispatch the most expensive equipment your enemy can throw at you. Destroying a modern main battle tank with a Walmart wedding camera drone and an explosive, for example. Of course, that's an issue about sci-fi, we can't predict the future so we're bound to make huge mistakes. If you want to make the most rational SM chapter here's what you do: You decide what they're currently fighting in the moment you're depicting when you paint them and choose a scheme color appropriate to that. If they're fighting Tyrannids, think of some pattern that would supposedly make them harder to see for Tyrannids while making the soldier easily identifiable by other Raptors. If they're fighting humans or SMs then it's a different story, try to give them a pattern that goes along with the base and give every marine something that shows how they avoid high tech detection (a holographic cloak, a pattern on the armor that disrupts their signals.. you could paint them stealth grey like the F35 jet). Add signs or some device on top or behind their helmet that would help them identify each other through their sensors. Give them weapons that are specific for the job. The best way to go at this is Kill Team in my opinion. And try to minimize the armor they're using and make sure it goes according to the mission. More coverage but less resistance for frontline troops that will see explosions and shrapnel and less coverage but better armor for troops that will perform raiding and stealth missions and will likely not get hit by explosives.
Soldiers aren't typically poets and artists. Maybe they should be, but they aren't typically anything other than "follow orders, shoot good, have no morels beyond the state's own."
@@EmonWBKstudios Check out the Warrior poet society. They advocate for exactly what you're talking about. The idea that those of us who wish to stand and fight whether it be a soldier or a civilian who stands for what they believe in. Should also be educated. Should also partake in the arts and society
GW recently revealed some information about their homeworld. Like its name and what type of world it is. They also revealed some information about how the chapter chooses their aspirants and what they were up to during the Indomitus crusade. Valrak made video about it. Looks like Raptors are going to play a bigger role in the upcoming lore.
The sons of Corax have a surprising level of variety for a Legion that sired such a limited number of successors, we have the usual clones of the parent chapter, the rational marines, the slaver marines, the shark marines and the renegade marines just off the top my mind, that's a range a little more broad than for example the Blood Angels as you mention.
This is why i picked Raptors as my primary chapter. They blend being a badass and being pragmatic so well you would think that other Marines would start to take notes
I love the Raptors, once i read a comment that summed them up very well: "Contrary to all other Space Marines, they are super soldiers, instead of warrior monks" They are probably the only chapter i'd be interested to collect, if I ever started to. Also at some point i wondered if I could create a chapter somewhat "successor" to them, but from a more healty geneseed.
Originally (I’m talking edition 1 / Rogue Trader era) marines had formal heraldic color schemes, but could also use campaign specific color schemes providing camouflage in specific environments. It makes sense that a chapter would adopt such a campaign scheme as their new heraldic color after a particularly definitive campaign which shaped the culture and future of the chapter.
The yellow and blue could still be ceremonial heraldic colours, just like militaries have today. But, because they are reasonable, they don't go to war in the ceremonial colours, just like militaries today. People don't wear their medals to war
@@freehatespeech6804 I wonder if they just slap on some ersatz spray paint in the field. Seems excessive for every Astarted to have a "dress power armor" gathering dust in their quarters.
By my far, my favorite chapter in all of 40k. Love me the Raptors Edit: The Raptors are the perfect chapter to reintroduce the old Legion Moritats into the 41st millennia. As they age and their gene-flaw gets worse, they get more reckless and their ability to work with others falls, theyd fill in the role of a Moritat perfectly. Moritats were originally conceived by the Raven Guard and had similar issues as they tended to be independent units of reckless Space Marines that suicidally fought with a disregard for combat doctrine as shock troops. Imagine if they had a unit similar to Blood Angels' Death Company but instead of chainsword and bolt pistol, had dual plasma pistols or something like how they were equipped in during the Great Crusade.
The Raptors are one of that group I think of as the "constructive" Chapters among the Astartes, alongside the Mentor Legion. All 'round good boys of the sort that you'd want on your side if you were a Guardsman.
I always imagined the Retributors as fighting similar to the Raptors but they're more urban and ship to ship based in their missions while the Raptors are more field and scout focused. Both spec-ops like but two different roles.
@@mill2712not necessarily in the case of the Retributors. The series follows an Impulsor squad (beyond being a specialized kill team, it’s something the guy who made them gave em and there’s not much more to go off of). The Retributors are just grey Imperial Fists. Not specialized like the Raptors
There are a few Chapters that are kinda like the Raptors in term of rationality. The Emperor's Warbringer Chapter, a drop pod, precision strike assault specialist and Imperial Fist successor Chapter, would use camouflage particularly their vehicles for important mission depending on the situation or the environment. Unlike other Chapters where they immediately arrive in drop pod assaults, the Warbringers would prepare their ground first by sending scout marines to make military observation of the region and identify key targets, usually for weeks or months, undetected. After all as been planned and when the moment is right, they would strike with everything in their disposal, aiming in ending the conflict in one decisive strike. Another Imperial Fist Chapter, The Emperor's Havoc, are pragmatic, no-nonsense siege and urban combat specialist that don't care about glory but getting the job done. Though their colours are gray and red, they are done in shades which makes them excellent complementary camouflage.
Something interesting I noticed. The original stealth variant for the Raptors chapter reminds me of German ww2 plane camouflage. The dark grey with the lighter grey spots. I think it makes sense because back in the day GW was filled with history buffs so the Raptor space marines having a color scheme close to ww2 planes makes a lot of sense to me.
Now I want to think about how you could make the Caunter camouflage scheme work on Astartes armor. Making it work on the vehicles is easy, but the individual power armor will be hard to work out.
I think the bright colors and lore of other chapters is actually very rational, they have a real impact on morale. As a guardsman, the same amount of space marines will seem like more if they're dressed in blue, red and gold, waving banners and screaming war cries. As a space marine too you will be more motivated to do your duty operating within all of your chapter's culture, they are after all human and often show doubts or faith/morale problems. If you look at 40k art you will often see the battlefield absolutely filled with bodies like a medieval battle where camouflage wouldn't matter. Relatedly to this, I find the 40k humans have melee in their doctrines because it's useful, not because they're insane.
That's the thing, most Space Marines work as knights, a custom made warrior representing a house, with all his proudness. The Raptors work as soldiers, they understood they are but a pebble in the works of war. Warriors can win battles, but soldiers win wars.
And have that common american soldier names like: Andrew, Adam, Baker, Barnes, Bishop, Browns And weirdly also have those latin american names like: Rodriguez, Carlos, Diaz, Ramirez Its like those names are embeded in the US Military, especially in Holliwood
They also have pretty cool rules in the Deathwatch RPG, all raptors can take a take a customizable weapon scope. It can do things like ignor camo cloaks and stealth fields or automatically target weak points.
They also had some interesting rules (for one, they had Heavy 1 rending option with their bolters to represent marksmanship) and a fun toolkit character (capable of affecting reserves, creating Shrouded bubble and assassinating/ambushing something in the beginning of the game) in Badab war. Although I imagine the ambush rule was very frustrating to play against if your Raptor opponent rolls well. You could easily lose a lynchpin daemon or vehicle before the match even starts.
I am a ultramarine fan, i started with them back in 8th because they were the poster boys, but throughout my learning of 40k i fell in love with every other chapter before I fell in love with them again, i thought of repainting them multiple times before starting to appreciate them again, but recently i really wanted to start a Raptor army or kill team
I love these guys. Whilst making my marines Raptors just isn’t my thing(because I simply love the absurdity of 40K battle tactics too much), I always appreciate sci-fi that operate like real world armies today. Plus the sheer pragmatism these guys have is something to actually aspire to. 10/10, would repaint my armor to camo again.
Hell yeah! Raptors have been my main army for years. And the introduction of phobos marines only enhanced the flavor of this chapter. I've been waiting to see who you were going to pick as a raven guard successor, hoping for the Raptors, but not really expecting for it to happen. Awesome!
One of my favorite successor chapters along with their primogenitors the Raven Guard because I love the black ops way of doing things like a modern SOCOM style military unit. Also Corax is my favorite Primarch. But if I want to be extra war crimey I can still stay within the family with my favorite scary shark boys, the Carcharadons...
The Raptors are practically any real life soldier or marine, but Space Marine. "Why would have a firefight with these guys in the mountains when I can just call in an aircraft to bomb to pieces?"
I like the Retributors for similar reasons, and now that they're canon I hope GW does something to differentiate them from Raptors. I like to view them as a scalpel vs hammer kind of thing.
The Retributors are more autonomous with their Incursor squads or whatever they were called: Essentially tactical marines that operate as self-contained units and venture out into the galaxy autonomously before returning to base after missions. They fight more as shock troopers than as spec ops however. Different enough I'd say.
These are my boys! I think of them a lot like The Marine's Force Recon; having a grim enjoyment of what they do, and accomplishing goals all out of proportion to their numbers and resources allocated to them.
It's my boys! Love me some Raptors, always great to see them get their limelight. I'm actually finishing up my first Intercessor Kill Team as--you guessed it--Raptors Chapter!
I can see why the raptors and scorpions would get along. They play off each other’s weaknesses. The raptors have the red scorpions to keep the enemy off of them, and the scorpions get the benefit of additional sniper support to help them when they get too far into the enemy lines during their melee charges.
I absolutely love the raptors while at the same time loving the black templars to death. 2 completely different chapters of marines yet equally amazing. I think I have a new favorite
Love all three of the Raven Guard Successors. The Raptors with their long range approach, the Revilers being a more hardcore Raven Guard and the Black Guard with a great colour scheme & symbol not to mention using armor like Rhinos and Whirlwinds by setting up ambushes then blasting the hell out of their enemies. Class!
Thrawn: “I don’t care about glory, I want results.” Perturabo abs tge Iron Warriors: “I don’t care about casualties, I want results.” Raptors: “I don’t care about “honor”, I want results.”
The Ravenguard and Corax have always and will always be number 1 in my heart (followed very closely by the Salamanders). Naturally, I have a lot of love for their successor chapters too. Thanks for taking the time to do a video on the Raptors :) It's tricky to find quality content on some of the more "fringe" (yes that was a Corvus hairline pun) chapters.
Raptors are great. I love how you can do so much with them because of how pragmatic they are. So many opportunities for theater specific paint schemes and kitbashing.
The Raptors, a chapter trained in ranging and evasion, all about scouting for opportunities to shoot a distracted enemy. Loves to work with the Red Scorpions, a chapter trained in snapping vertebrae in half and insulting the enemies' mothers.... They sound like a good distraction to me
I've recently picked up one of the seven inch scale artist proof space marines. I'm definitely going to be painting it in this chapter scheme and see what bits and bobs I can find to match the gear.
The Raptors are the interesting chapter because of their tactics, don't get me wrong I still love my chapters with their goofy tactics. But they remind me of the salamanders where they just feel different from everyone else in terms of mentality, Great video!
My favourite space marines always had green paint schemes. Salamanders,Raptors and Death guards. Your average space marines are warriors. No matter how smart they are they will have their pride and flaws take the best of them. Warriors tend work individually while a soldier works as a cohesive unit to achieve a goal.
Raptors, Mantis warriors and Warbringers are fucking dope I wish more stuff was made with them as seeing astartes with moreso "tactical implements" just looks so damn cool
Except for the mantis though... Poor guys wanted to lure the sharks into a skirmish fight Only for the sharks to B line into the manti's homeworld forcing the mantis into a drawn out fight and get butchered by shark marines
ok, 1st off, get out of my walls! 2nd, great vid, love the the raptors, they are new to me, but i love how they think, and id love to see them work with the Salamanders as the salamanders are my favorite over all!
On a tactical sense the cautious pragmatism of the raptors is a detriment for a space marine chapters. Space marines are few in numbers so they have to be quick about destroying their enemies. A space marine squad cant take the months needed time to slowly and safely exterminate a traitor cult or orc infestations, because in the 40k universe by the time you would be done with one, 10 more would have sprouted up. Space marine are the sledgehammer to break the enemy back while the guard sweeps up the pieces. Space marines cant waste the time to become the razor
What is really interesting about the setting is how tactics have regressed in a sense to the pre-firearms age. Right now, we are approaching this point in the real world as body armor becomes better and more common. But we still have a long way to go. If power armor ever becomes (that's the line to be crossed, otherwise suit providing 100% coverage will be way too heavy) available I could totally see the return of old school battle line tactics, probably somewhat like the Roman and Greek systems of antiquity. Because as he points out when you are that heavily armored things like staying in cover and a lot of modern infantry movement techniques become obsolete. In fact, they might make things worse because it will increase the time to close with the enemy and eliminate them. Also, we really need someone to invent a boltgun in real life. Whichever country does it first is going to have a massive advantage for years
America invented a bolt gun type gun, it would launch a grenade that would explode inside the target. Of course, it was banned for being inhumane because of obvious reasons.
Both the Raptors and the Mentors are my favorites successor chapters. Their pragmatism and modern-day fighting styles are the polar opposite of what space marines usually do.
Would love to see both these Chapters work together. The Raptors with their common sense reason in military tactics and their Spec Op style of warfare and the Mentors with their pursuit in perfecting a fusion of military science and art of war, making every Astartes an equivalent of a professors of military science and military history would be one hell of a deadly combo of Reasonable Marines.
Honestly I'm a little surprised nobody's made a Red Shoulders-inspired chapter. An Astartes is basically already wearing a Scopedog. Hell, Red Shoulders even sounds like it COULD be a Marine chapter.
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Hell yes. Been waiting for someone to make a video about my favorite chapter of camo wearing Raven Guard gunslingers. Besides would you prefer an honorable defeat or a dishonorable victory? Thanks Mr. Bones, liked your video with Astartes Anonymous too
I always saw the Raptors as the Space Marines for people who like modern military stuff. Pouches instead of purity seals, camouflage instead of decorations. Tactical thinking instead of reckless abandon. Practicality instead of faith. Tacticool instead of knightly.
If you're a melee loving gloryhound then why wouldn't you like someone who shows up to the fight, keeps the enemy off your back as you wade waist deep into the carnage, then disappears without asking for thanks? The raptors are the perfect ranged support Marines.
This is awesome. I honestly didn't know the raptors had so much lore. I haven't looked into them much. I do love them, but they're also not what I'm personally looking for in the 40k setting so I don't think about them often.
I didint know about this chapter before, first of all they have my favorite color, And i never like to modify my space marines in games or otherwise with unecessary amount of ournaments. I prefer ranged combat over melee, even melee has its moments, they are tactical and reasonable, seeking to solve problems with least amount of colleteral damage. Even i love space marines it often disgusts me how most treat imperial guard or normal humans, but these guys have learned to be humble in the hard way, and respects them as important assets in battlefield.
Pragmatic shooties and melee gloryhounds. That actually makes sense. They complement each other perfectly, and in no way step on each others shoes. One wants all the glory, other doesnt need any. One wants to take all the bullets and get beaten in melee, other prefers not to. One thrives in close combat, but require someone reliable to cover their rear, when their own guys are not REALLY that good at it. One likes to strike from cover and move unseen to strike again, beferably in the back, while the other is... really, really good at hogging the limelight. I dont know if its about respect. These two chapters are just unstoppable when working together, without any need for planning or training together. Drop them somewhere near each other and watch the enemy start dying, a lot.
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As a Blood Angels player wanting a bit more variety in my play style, I’ve been looking for a second army that is less melee focussed, and more focussed on shooting and being what I would consider super soldiers. Discovered the Raptors in the latest codex and after watching this and some other videos I love this faction and will be building an army of them. They are what I always thought Space Marines should be, their colour scheme is awesome and their overall attitude, vibe and back story I really like! Hope GW invest more in them I think they are a good chapter for people not wanting to go to heavy on the medieval/gothic aesthetic and go more in on the Sci-fi super solider route.
I've been kicking around the idea of a Raptors army for a while now, ever since I painted the camo cloaks for my blood angels Eliminators and found that camo patterns are really fun to paint. it's a back-burner project, since I already have a Space Marine army, and want to make a Farsight Enclaves force next (I like red, can you tell?) but I might just get a unit here and there to paint as Raptors, and go big on the vietnam vibes, jungle bases, face-paint, camo-armor, knives and ammo pouches, intercessor and infernus gunline, with gravis and terminators as the backbone, and phobos troops as the scalpel.
I'd like the idea of a SM chapter that works hand-in-hand with Imperial Guard. as in, the SM are acting as squad sergeants in a foot-slogger army. The SM provide brilliant tactical leadership, but also the individual firepower to create an opening for the rest of the squad to exploit.
Personally deploying them as an assault detachment under the Imperial guard makes more sense. Tactical deployments of space marine squads are a much bigger force multiplier than having them spread over an entire guard regiment. Plus this mimics how assault and armored detachments are used already. Used more so to achieve a breakthrough or exploit weaknesses in the front line. So just normal space marines, but with the added improvement that they work within imperial guard command structure and can be exploited without fussy chapter pride
@xXx_Oshino_xXx If this was a Space Marine Army list; you are basically advocating for a Devastator Squad with Las Cannons, whilst I'm advocating for giving each Troop Squad Las Cannons. Both are valid options. I think that you see putting a Space Marine with an IG squad is limiting the Space Marine's true potential. However, I see it as the Space Marine is able to pull out the IG squad's full potential.
My custom chapter of Primaris only marines, the Avenging Eagles, is a bit of convergent evolution with the Raptors. The Avenging Eagles wear a darker olive drab green compared to the Raptors. But few can tell the difference. Which suits the Avenging Eagles just fine after learning of the Raptors. Though in action, the Avenging Eagles favor close quarters combat and rear area raiders. With the chapter's signature unit being the revier. The Avenging Eagles gained their name and became a chapter during Indomitus Crusade at the battle of Baal. Their inceptors and reivers descending upon the Tyranids like 'avenging eagles'. The chapter's first captain and chapter master, code named: Clash slew a dimachaeron (yes, that happened in game) with a single round to the wounded monster's eye. The marines to become the Avenging Eagles had witnessed the rejection of their Primaris grayshield brothers for some time. But it was the Flesh Tearers that convinced them to petition Roboute Guilliman to form a chapter. Once granted, led to the chapter's first secret. Many Primaris destined to other chapters, especially Blood Angels, were claimed as KIA so they could instead fight with the only brothers they knew with the Avenging Eagles. As such, the Avenging Eagles claim no known legion successor. In part, knowing they have many of primarchs' scions in their chapter. But also the Avenging Eagles apothcarium harbors concern that perhaps much of the geneseed is of the 16th legion, or worst, the 2nd legion. No attempts have been made to discover the truth. The Avenging Eagles recruit from the planet called Shadow. A mid-20th century tech level planet that was nearly at the point of nuclear war with itself. The Avenging Eagles established military academies across the planet, taking the best and brightest cadets over more barbaric methods of marine recruitment. Additionally, unlike other chapters, new Avenging Eagle marines are first placed in the role they show the most talent, be it intercessor, reiver, aggressor, inceptor, etc. Moving to other roles after they have advanced in their initial position. Another change from the Codex Astartes is the inclusion of the Corporal rank. As Avenging Eagles combat squads split into teams. To avoid dealing with the Imperium at large, the Avenging Eagles actually prefer to operate deep in Tyranid controlled space. The chapter sees themselves as gloried exterminators. They find little honor in their actions beyond giving humanity more time to solve the problems of the galaxy. For their part, the Avenging Eagles have time and again stymied many Tyranid hive fleets. Including luring them to already dead planets, infiltrating a traveling fleet and destroying a norn queen and anything else the chapter can think of to starve and frustrate the space bugs. The chapter intimately understands the Tyranids need for biomatter, and it not above igniting the atmosphere of a hive world to prevent the bugs from getting it. Though, such drastic actions are rare. Not that Avenging Eagles regret the loss of life. But that the chapter is woefully under equipped and can't spare many exterminatus devices. For all the use of grav vanes and jump infantry, the Avenging Eagles use a lesser, one-time use version that often have to be ejected after use due to the grav vane incinerating itself. The only gear in high quantities is bolt rounds. Even they are lesser quality compared to most marine chapters.
The Raptors love the Red Scorpions because the glory hound bright red melee combatants make for EXCELLENT meat shields and diversions so they can potshot the enemy to death
Amd in return, the Red Scorpions dont need to worry about the Raptors taking their glory from them.
Something tells me Red Scorpions ask Raptors to help track their kill counts
@@jedidroid2000 I'm now picturing the Raptors and Scorpions to have a Legolas/Gimli type relationship.
"I won't have no beaky boy outscoring me!"
@@RJALEXANDER777a Raptor takes out a hive tyrant who's carrying around 20 other Tyranids on his back, the Red Scorpion goes "that still counts as one!"
@@RJALEXANDER777 basically, the war of baddab
A thing I really love about the Raptors is how well they work alongside the Guard. They're not like "move over, dipshit mortals, it's Marine time!" with Guardsmen. Instead, they act more as a supplement to them. They will tend to take over Guard command at wherever they land, and then fight alongside the Guardsmen with astonishing efficiency. Essentially they just treat themselves as Guardsmen+, rather than the Emperor's special warriors. I'm certain that the Guardsmen themselves receive an extreme morale boost every time these guys show up.
Also, should the Raptors and the Catachan Jungle Fighters ever be on the same battlefield, I'm fairly certain there's no saving whatever's on the other end of the gun.
Well, that's a trait they got from their parent Legion. The RG was always about being subtle, tactical and disrupting the enemy to such a degree that the Regulars could take the foe down with as little of a fight as possible.
The Raptors just go about it a smidge different than their gene-sire.
"Move over dipshit mortals, it's Marine time!" got a genuine lol out of me 😂 great comment
Don't you mean on the other end of the knife😂
I just picture some alien the soul surivor of it's unit getting away from the Catchans only to run face first into a Raptor.
Oh, I love that! What good to humanity would a Marine be if he didn't care about the ones fighting right beside him?
I think it really says something about 40k as a setting with how the Space Marine chapter that's dedicated to actual military tactics and not wasting absurd time and resources hunting for glory and honor are somehow *more* alien than chapters that do shit like bone talisman readings to predict the future, pseudo-blood sacrifices before battles, or torturing themselves with a lovely item called a "Pain Glove" for the sake of meditation.
Don't criticise the pain glove if you've never tried it. It's very therapeutic.
@@Stuffandstuff974 indeed! It always leads to a revelation!
Has anyone noticed how the sons of dorn are all David goggins?
@@jpfg2713 indeed fellow pain glove enjoyer
man I thought pain glove is just a meme from tts
Favorite dudes, they're more like professional soldiers than warriors, unlike most chapters.
My favorite fact about them is when working with guard units, they tend to try to keep them alive and use them to their utmost effectiveness. Good Bird boys.
tbh, I've hung around a lot of professional soldiers and a lot of the core traits I've seen in them really mirror the Raptors - pragmatism, not taking things personally while doing their job, a mission-focused respect for the chain of command as a concept (but not obsequiousnes if they think the higher-ups are full of shit), and a kind of fatalism that's really hard to explain to others who've never seen it.
@@ProfDCoyThe fatalism is easy to explain. Soldiers know that ultimately, our job is to kill and die to protect our nation.
@@ProfDCoy Is it the only thing that matter is the mission kind of thinking? Like the character Hunk from resident evil
@@dean_l33RIP legend
@@dean_l33 It's kinda that, but it's also a kind of fatalism when it comes to who gets hit and who doesn't. Like, "anyone could bite the bullet at any time, yesterday it was you, tomorrow it might be me, so I just deal with what's in front of me today fully accepting this might be the day I die." I'm not even sure that's how these guys would express it themselves, but it's my attempt to do so.
I like how the Raptors are, because for once in the modern Imperium's history before Guilliman, they're actually competent in the sense that their strategy isn't just "just throw everything we have at the problem, and maybe we'll win"
Pretty sure if they show up bobby g would make another book just so his son's would kill themselves from holy melee
The best part is that this is exactly what they originally were, but learned their harsh lesson and changed for the better. Every other Chapter we know of would have just doubled down.
@@stalinsoulz7872funny thing is that the Codex does say that you should repaint your armor to better blend in depending on the environment you’re fighting in, but do any Chapters aside from this one bother with it!? Obviously not.
I think they hit a similar nieche to what the salamander do. They exemplefies, through contrast, how backward the Imperiums ways of war are just like how the salamanders shows how cruel the Imperium is through contrast
Yea exactly I've been playing the rouge trader game and while the space wolf is a cool companion i think a salamander could've had more story potential
@@mementomori771 A son of Rus is the only fitting spess marine considering the main villain is Tzentch
@@mementomori771 I haven't played Rogue Trader pc game but I heard that the Space Wolf companion is a bit underwhelming, is that true?
@@dean_l33
Nope, more like shallow Mary Sues who are worse than Grey Knights and Ultramarines combined.
@@dinobro4273his pre made build is underwhelming but you can just respec his stats into what you like, and it’s more of a personal thing if you don’t like his character as how for me Ufar and Abelard are my traders best bro’s. Also Ulfars personal quest is genuinely one of the best in the game.
These guys are easily my favorites. The blend the best parts of space marines and Spartans, specifically spartan 3s to me, and I love how practical and tactical they are. Their colors are great too as that is easily one of my favorite shades of green. Love these guys
Fun fact Spartans 3s aren’t weaker than Spartans 2 they actually stronger in augmentation plus its safer.
Gama company had an augmentation that basically gives them extreme durability to a point that a spartan had a portion of her brain destroyed several plasma wounds which melted her skin and some bones and yet she still lived. Reminds me of a custodian I think Ra? Spartans 2s can shrug of plasma but the Spartans 3s gama well they’re a different level.
The raptors are one of the space marine chapters I like the most, others being ultramarines and salamanders mostly for valuing human life
@@patrickiamonfire965 A nameless Custodian basically did that too. Kept fighting traitor Astartes while everyone else around him noted that he is doing so while missing part of his brain. He then shambled unsteadily onto the dropship, and presumably was put to rest afterwards once his body caught up with the fact that he's dead.
Unfortunate that Spartan-IIIs had to have that additional "Bellisarian Furnace" augmentation to do that, because the added step needed regular maintenance with chemical shots or otherwise they would go psycho.
@@SeanCrosser so it was a nameless custodian.
The augmentation was easily maintained as far I know. They had spills for that. Spartans 3s becoming psycho was a problem because they might rush towards the battle jeopardising the operation. Spartans 3s didn’t go awol.
@@patrickiamonfire965only gama company are stronger than s2 but they need Anti psycho medicine to make them effective or they will just become lesser version of the crazy Assassin temple
To put in simple words, S2 can operate for months with no contact to the unsc but Gama company needs to keep Contact so they operate in effective way, making them worse the others s3 & s2
The Raptors: Because the Reasonable Marines was such a brilliant idea that GW couldn't leave it on the table.
The Raptors fight like an actual military force, and not knights with firearms. This practicality is practically unheard of in 40k, and as such they’re regarded as tactical geniuses.
They are not actually practical. They are infact rather delusional (due to being what someone who didn't think things through properly thinks would be practical).
They think wasting expensive ammo they can only carry a small amount of against low level threats is practical vs melee (no expensive bolt rounds wasted) or super lasguns (cheap solar rechargeable ammo).
They think they are being stealthy,l in their colours, despite still painting massive white insignias, when colour doesn't really matter as even insignificant threats like traitor guardsmen have access to handheld auspecs which means raptors in line of sight still stick out like sparklers in a dark room.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 the thing is Phobos armor does have stealth properties to help ignore detection. You’d think Auspexes would be at the top of the list of things to counter.
I actually agree, hotshot lasguns are way better than bolters for practical space marines, same damage no ammo logistics.@@matthiuskoenig3378
@@matthiuskoenig3378 For that first point I feel like the pros outweigh the cons. Sure you might be wasting ammo, but you're keeping yourself out of harm's way for the most part and you can stay hidden better by picking off enemies from a distance than getting up in their face with a chainsword.
For the second point, I'm Raptors would paint over or wear cloaks like the ones shown in the video to give them better camouflage, and their armor is sure to have some sort of way of avoiding auspex scans. The Raptors are a successor chapter of the Raven guard, Space Marines who are specialists in stealth.
@@LordKasadoad I'm fairly certain armor color doesn't matter at all in 40k when it comes to camo because most enemies are either not human (and therefore don't see things the way we do) or have access to much better detection tech. The tradeoff of camouflage is always that the risk of friendly fire goes up because you can't identify your own soldiers. So if visual camouflage is superfluous, it makes sense that they ditch it completely and use color to identify each other. In fact I'm sure it's exactly what we would do if we faced an enemy that saw in black and white or in IR for instance; we would make bright blue uniforms to see each other while remaining camouflaged for the enemy.
We already use different vision channels to identify ourselves in asymmetric warfare today: us soldiers used IR strobes on their helmets so that thermal and night vision devices could identify them, be that drones or other soldiers. Of course, if the Taliban had had the same tech, that would be a bad idea.
What all this means in the end is that Raptors are either stupid or primarily fight low tech human heretics, see it as you want to.
Additionally, we're quickly learning that modern warfare is not about making super soldiers and big expensive tanks but about making inexpensive munitions that can dispatch the most expensive equipment your enemy can throw at you. Destroying a modern main battle tank with a Walmart wedding camera drone and an explosive, for example.
Of course, that's an issue about sci-fi, we can't predict the future so we're bound to make huge mistakes.
If you want to make the most rational SM chapter here's what you do:
You decide what they're currently fighting in the moment you're depicting when you paint them and choose a scheme color appropriate to that. If they're fighting Tyrannids, think of some pattern that would supposedly make them harder to see for Tyrannids while making the soldier easily identifiable by other Raptors. If they're fighting humans or SMs then it's a different story, try to give them a pattern that goes along with the base and give every marine something that shows how they avoid high tech detection (a holographic cloak, a pattern on the armor that disrupts their signals.. you could paint them stealth grey like the F35 jet). Add signs or some device on top or behind their helmet that would help them identify each other through their sensors.
Give them weapons that are specific for the job. The best way to go at this is Kill Team in my opinion. And try to minimize the armor they're using and make sure it goes according to the mission. More coverage but less resistance for frontline troops that will see explosions and shrapnel and less coverage but better armor for troops that will perform raiding and stealth missions and will likely not get hit by explosives.
"Perfect Warriors"... coughs in Emperor's Children(due to Lovecraftian substance abuse)
Soldiers aren't typically poets and artists. Maybe they should be, but they aren't typically anything other than "follow orders, shoot good, have no morels beyond the state's own."
Emperors Children are not perfect though. That’s the issue. Their “thing” is WANTING to be perfect.
As any Slanneshi worshiper will tell you, mo' drugs, mo' power, mo' b!tches!
@@EmonWBKstudios Check out the Warrior poet society. They advocate for exactly what you're talking about. The idea that those of us who wish to stand and fight whether it be a soldier or a civilian who stands for what they believe in. Should also be educated. Should also partake in the arts and society
You have a wild definition of perfect
GW recently revealed some information about their homeworld. Like its name and what type of world it is. They also revealed some information about how the chapter chooses their aspirants and what they were up to during the Indomitus crusade. Valrak made video about it. Looks like Raptors are going to play a bigger role in the upcoming lore.
That's great to read and I wasn't aware of any of this. So cheers! Looking forward to see these guys take a step forward in the setting.
Yeah the fact that they have iconography on the main transfer sheets is just about the biggest endorsement they could get from James Workshop
I hope it won't be a disappointment.
Incroyable.
I hope they make them canonically consume crayons
The sons of Corax have a surprising level of variety for a Legion that sired such a limited number of successors, we have the usual clones of the parent chapter, the rational marines, the slaver marines, the shark marines and the renegade marines just off the top my mind, that's a range a little more broad than for example the Blood Angels as you mention.
Who are the slavers?
@@flavortown3781 Death Spectres
This is why i picked Raptors as my primary chapter. They blend being a badass and being pragmatic so well you would think that other Marines would start to take notes
For a second I thought it was going to be about the Reasonable Marines.
What do you mean? It is about the Reasonable Marines
I guess they're connon now? I mean the Noise Marines started as a joke too so this tracks 👍
I mean they were pretty much based on the Raptors.
I love the Raptors, once i read a comment that summed them up very well:
"Contrary to all other Space Marines, they are super soldiers, instead of warrior monks"
They are probably the only chapter i'd be interested to collect, if I ever started to.
Also at some point i wondered if I could create a chapter somewhat "successor" to them, but from a more healty geneseed.
Originally (I’m talking edition 1 / Rogue Trader era) marines had formal heraldic color schemes, but could also use campaign specific color schemes providing camouflage in specific environments. It makes sense that a chapter would adopt such a campaign scheme as their new heraldic color after a particularly definitive campaign which shaped the culture and future of the chapter.
The yellow and blue could still be ceremonial heraldic colours, just like militaries have today. But, because they are reasonable, they don't go to war in the ceremonial colours, just like militaries today. People don't wear their medals to war
@@freehatespeech6804 I wonder if they just slap on some ersatz spray paint in the field. Seems excessive for every Astarted to have a "dress power armor" gathering dust in their quarters.
3:22 "Why is this Space Marine drinking a Capri Sun?" - Jonathan Frakes
By my far, my favorite chapter in all of 40k. Love me the Raptors
Edit: The Raptors are the perfect chapter to reintroduce the old Legion Moritats into the 41st millennia. As they age and their gene-flaw gets worse, they get more reckless and their ability to work with others falls, theyd fill in the role of a Moritat perfectly. Moritats were originally conceived by the Raven Guard and had similar issues as they tended to be independent units of reckless Space Marines that suicidally fought with a disregard for combat doctrine as shock troops.
Imagine if they had a unit similar to Blood Angels' Death Company but instead of chainsword and bolt pistol, had dual plasma pistols or something like how they were equipped in during the Great Crusade.
"Well I'm gonna die anyway, so what if I get my arms blown off?" *plasma pew pew intensifies*
The Raptors are one of that group I think of as the "constructive" Chapters among the Astartes, alongside the Mentor Legion. All 'round good boys of the sort that you'd want on your side if you were a Guardsman.
Imagine being a guardsman on a world somewhere and you get reinforced by the raptors, mentors and salamanders.
*happy guardsman noises*
"Most reasonable set of marines" the reasonable marines would like a word. Preferably over a nice cup of tea.
I imagine that the Raptors fight similar to the retributor's from the Astartes animation, but more incisive and tactical.
I always imagined the Retributors as fighting similar to the Raptors but they're more urban and ship to ship based in their missions while the Raptors are more field and scout focused. Both spec-ops like but two different roles.
@@mill2712not necessarily in the case of the Retributors. The series follows an Impulsor squad (beyond being a specialized kill team, it’s something the guy who made them gave em and there’s not much more to go off of).
The Retributors are just grey Imperial Fists. Not specialized like the Raptors
I wish these guys had their own successor chapter to spread the whole tactics marine íntead of screaming footballers.
The Raptors posses one of the most rare qualities in 40k, common sense.
8:50 “They’re more like guidelines anyways”
There are a few Chapters that are kinda like the Raptors in term of rationality. The Emperor's Warbringer Chapter, a drop pod, precision strike assault specialist and Imperial Fist successor Chapter, would use camouflage particularly their vehicles for important mission depending on the situation or the environment. Unlike other Chapters where they immediately arrive in drop pod assaults, the Warbringers would prepare their ground first by sending scout marines to make military observation of the region and identify key targets, usually for weeks or months, undetected. After all as been planned and when the moment is right, they would strike with everything in their disposal, aiming in ending the conflict in one decisive strike.
Another Imperial Fist Chapter, The Emperor's Havoc, are pragmatic, no-nonsense siege and urban combat specialist that don't care about glory but getting the job done. Though their colours are gray and red, they are done in shades which makes them excellent complementary camouflage.
Something interesting I noticed. The original stealth variant for the Raptors chapter reminds me of German ww2 plane camouflage. The dark grey with the lighter grey spots. I think it makes sense because back in the day GW was filled with history buffs so the Raptor space marines having a color scheme close to ww2 planes makes a lot of sense to me.
Now I want to think about how you could make the Caunter camouflage scheme work on Astartes armor. Making it work on the vehicles is easy, but the individual power armor will be hard to work out.
"Wow maybe bright standout armor is a bad idea in a jungle"
41st Elite Corps Clones (Star Wars) 🤝 Raptors, Ravenguard Successor Chapter (40K)
Ha. When the Raptors need a strategic distraction, call the Red Scorpions.
I think the bright colors and lore of other chapters is actually very rational, they have a real impact on morale. As a guardsman, the same amount of space marines will seem like more if they're dressed in blue, red and gold, waving banners and screaming war cries. As a space marine too you will be more motivated to do your duty operating within all of your chapter's culture, they are after all human and often show doubts or faith/morale problems. If you look at 40k art you will often see the battlefield absolutely filled with bodies like a medieval battle where camouflage wouldn't matter. Relatedly to this, I find the 40k humans have melee in their doctrines because it's useful, not because they're insane.
I took the color as more being to draw enemy fire towards the almost unstoppable walking tank and away from the more fragile forces.
That's a good take, I didn't think of that, thank you. @@thebandofbastards4934
That's the thing, most Space Marines work as knights, a custom made warrior representing a house, with all his proudness.
The Raptors work as soldiers, they understood they are but a pebble in the works of war.
Warriors can win battles, but soldiers win wars.
Side thought: Space marine ghillie suit is hilarious to me. Like ayo, does anyone else notice this suspiciously large shrub?
It also kinda pointless considering the armor and weapons of space marines are about getting close and wrecking.
I mean, tanks can get a use out of camo nets as well
@@oatlord This video spent an entire 13 minutes talking about how the Raptors do not often do this specific thing
@@cherno8119 yeah. I have a bad habit of commenting while still watching the video.
"calm down heretic, I am a bush!"
The raptors, the only space marines we know have an American accent.
And have that common american soldier names like:
Andrew, Adam, Baker, Barnes, Bishop, Browns
And weirdly also have those latin american names like:
Rodriguez, Carlos, Diaz, Ramirez
Its like those names are embeded in the US Military, especially in Holliwood
They also have pretty cool rules in the Deathwatch RPG, all raptors can take a take a customizable weapon scope. It can do things like ignor camo cloaks and stealth fields or automatically target weak points.
They also had some interesting rules (for one, they had Heavy 1 rending option with their bolters to represent marksmanship) and a fun toolkit character (capable of affecting reserves, creating Shrouded bubble and assassinating/ambushing something in the beginning of the game) in Badab war. Although I imagine the ambush rule was very frustrating to play against if your Raptor opponent rolls well. You could easily lose a lynchpin daemon or vehicle before the match even starts.
I am a ultramarine fan, i started with them back in 8th because they were the poster boys, but throughout my learning of 40k i fell in love with every other chapter before I fell in love with them again, i thought of repainting them multiple times before starting to appreciate them again, but recently i really wanted to start a Raptor army or kill team
If you like the Raptors, check out Pete The Wargamer's playlist of his Raptors army!!!!
@@thedyingmeme6 I did, and its amazing. That made me go "i wanna"
Camouflage is the true color of fear
They are still pretty cool tho
I love these guys. Whilst making my marines Raptors just isn’t my thing(because I simply love the absurdity of 40K battle tactics too much), I always appreciate sci-fi that operate like real world armies today. Plus the sheer pragmatism these guys have is something to actually aspire to.
10/10, would repaint my armor to camo again.
Holy crap, it's the only space marines I'd ever consider basing even a display-only army on!
Hell yeah! Raptors have been my main army for years. And the introduction of phobos marines only enhanced the flavor of this chapter. I've been waiting to see who you were going to pick as a raven guard successor, hoping for the Raptors, but not really expecting for it to happen. Awesome!
One of my favorite successor chapters along with their primogenitors the Raven Guard because I love the black ops way of doing things like a modern SOCOM style military unit. Also Corax is my favorite Primarch. But if I want to be extra war crimey I can still stay within the family with my favorite scary shark boys, the Carcharadons...
9:31 so basically this is how the adeptus astartes would react to US marine corp.
I appreciate the compliment.
The Raptors are practically any real life soldier or marine, but Space Marine. "Why would have a firefight with these guys in the mountains when I can just call in an aircraft to bomb to pieces?"
The video you had with the astartes anonymous crew was hilarious especially the part with you just tearing down magnus making the crews jaws hurt
I may go check these guys out in depth.
Pete the Wargamer has a pretty good kitbash series on them
I like the Retributors for similar reasons, and now that they're canon I hope GW does something to differentiate them from Raptors. I like to view them as a scalpel vs hammer kind of thing.
The Retributors are more autonomous with their Incursor squads or whatever they were called: Essentially tactical marines that operate as self-contained units and venture out into the galaxy autonomously before returning to base after missions. They fight more as shock troopers than as spec ops however. Different enough I'd say.
These are my boys! I think of them a lot like The Marine's Force Recon; having a grim enjoyment of what they do, and accomplishing goals all out of proportion to their numbers and resources allocated to them.
Of course they love the Red Scorpions, those dudes are so excited to do the thing they don't want to do.
It's my boys! Love me some Raptors, always great to see them get their limelight. I'm actually finishing up my first Intercessor Kill Team as--you guessed it--Raptors Chapter!
Check out Pete The Wargamer's Raptor Killteam!!!!
@@thedyingmeme6 been following his vids for a good while, love them!
I can see why the raptors and scorpions would get along. They play off each other’s weaknesses. The raptors have the red scorpions to keep the enemy off of them, and the scorpions get the benefit of additional sniper support to help them when they get too far into the enemy lines during their melee charges.
This is what the Emperor Wanted. Instead He got Assorted Roided up Space Knights.
I absolutely love the raptors while at the same time loving the black templars to death. 2 completely different chapters of marines yet equally amazing.
I think I have a new favorite
My guess is that the Red Scorpian like them because they won't try to steal the glory from them.
Most likely. And the Raptors like them because the Red Scorpians will run in and keep the enemy distracted while the Raptors pick off priority targets
These guys are one of my favorite chapters, And they are also the inspiration for my 10th company for my homebrew chapter
So Raptors are professional fighting game players. Strive to adapt, take losses as lessons.
Love all three of the Raven Guard Successors. The Raptors with their long range approach, the Revilers being a more hardcore Raven Guard and the Black Guard with a great colour scheme & symbol not to mention using armor like Rhinos and Whirlwinds by setting up ambushes then blasting the hell out of their enemies. Class!
What about the Carcharodons?
Thrawn: “I don’t care about glory, I want results.”
Perturabo abs tge Iron Warriors: “I don’t care about casualties, I want results.”
Raptors: “I don’t care about “honor”, I want results.”
The Ravenguard and Corax have always and will always be number 1 in my heart (followed very closely by the Salamanders). Naturally, I have a lot of love for their successor chapters too. Thanks for taking the time to do a video on the Raptors :) It's tricky to find quality content on some of the more "fringe" (yes that was a Corvus hairline pun) chapters.
I love them.
Glad that GW made their decals into mainstream sets
Raptors are great. I love how you can do so much with them because of how pragmatic they are. So many opportunities for theater specific paint schemes and kitbashing.
God, that line is like so 40k “fuck it, we ball”
The Raptors, a chapter trained in ranging and evasion, all about scouting for opportunities to shoot a distracted enemy.
Loves to work with the Red Scorpions, a chapter trained in snapping vertebrae in half and insulting the enemies' mothers....
They sound like a good distraction to me
I've recently picked up one of the seven inch scale artist proof space marines. I'm definitely going to be painting it in this chapter scheme and see what bits and bobs I can find to match the gear.
My efficiency loving ass when raptors space marines:
Thanks for this video, man! Love it! ❤❤❤
Really glad that I found your channel. Keep up the good work
Warriors win battles. Soldiers win wars.
The Raptors are my favorite chapter because of this video. Thanks for helping me find my favorite Marines. :)
The Raptors are the interesting chapter because of their tactics, don't get me wrong I still love my chapters with their goofy tactics. But they remind me of the salamanders where they just feel different from everyone else in terms of mentality, Great video!
This is what the emperor intended
UltraMarines - Poster Popular bois
Blood Angels - Emo vampire wannabes
Raptors - Nerds
Blood Ravens - Nerds and Thieves
Salamanders - Pyromaniacs
Black Templars - Medieval Larpers
Space Wolves - Viking Larpers
Yes yes yes finally thank you for doing this!!!
My favourite space marines always had green paint schemes. Salamanders,Raptors and Death guards.
Your average space marines are warriors. No matter how smart they are they will have their pride and flaws take the best of them. Warriors tend work individually while a soldier works as a cohesive unit to achieve a goal.
This deserves more love. I really like this chapter. I wanna paint my space marines like this.
Oh ive been waiting for this video haha.
Also, 2:27 - All hail the Ikea marines!
Raptors, Mantis warriors and Warbringers are fucking dope
I wish more stuff was made with them as seeing astartes with moreso "tactical implements" just looks so damn cool
Except for the mantis though...
Poor guys wanted to lure the sharks into a skirmish fight
Only for the sharks to B line into the manti's homeworld forcing the mantis into a drawn out fight and get butchered by shark marines
ok, 1st off, get out of my walls!
2nd, great vid, love the the raptors, they are new to me, but i love how they think, and id love to see them work with the Salamanders as the salamanders are my favorite over all!
Hello Arthur! Thank you for making these! I like your videos, they are easy listening when I am modelling.
On a tactical sense the cautious pragmatism of the raptors is a detriment for a space marine chapters. Space marines are few in numbers so they have to be quick about destroying their enemies. A space marine squad cant take the months needed time to slowly and safely exterminate a traitor cult or orc infestations, because in the 40k universe by the time you would be done with one, 10 more would have sprouted up.
Space marine are the sledgehammer to break the enemy back while the guard sweeps up the pieces. Space marines cant waste the time to become the razor
Just want to say, I really enjoy your content. Thanks for what you do bud
What is really interesting about the setting is how tactics have regressed in a sense to the pre-firearms age. Right now, we are approaching this point in the real world as body armor becomes better and more common. But we still have a long way to go. If power armor ever becomes (that's the line to be crossed, otherwise suit providing 100% coverage will be way too heavy) available I could totally see the return of old school battle line tactics, probably somewhat like the Roman and Greek systems of antiquity. Because as he points out when you are that heavily armored things like staying in cover and a lot of modern infantry movement techniques become obsolete. In fact, they might make things worse because it will increase the time to close with the enemy and eliminate them. Also, we really need someone to invent a boltgun in real life. Whichever country does it first is going to have a massive advantage for years
America invented a bolt gun type gun, it would launch a grenade that would explode inside the target. Of course, it was banned for being inhumane because of obvious reasons.
Both the Raptors and the Mentors are my favorites successor chapters. Their pragmatism and modern-day fighting styles are the polar opposite of what space marines usually do.
Would love to see both these Chapters work together. The Raptors with their common sense reason in military tactics and their Spec Op style of warfare and the Mentors with their pursuit in perfecting a fusion of military science and art of war, making every Astartes an equivalent of a professors of military science and military history would be one hell of a deadly combo of Reasonable Marines.
Perfect Soldiers? I’m not sure I’m ready to see how many Scopedogs Chirico’s going to discard to go through a SM chapter.
Those words are not in the Codex Astartes
Honestly I'm a little surprised nobody's made a Red Shoulders-inspired chapter. An Astartes is basically already wearing a Scopedog. Hell, Red Shoulders even sounds like it COULD be a Marine chapter.
@@RedShocktrooperRSTMost of the VOTOMS fans are playing Heavy Gear Blitz instead of (or in addition to) 40K.
"Describe Raptors in six words" "STRENGTH AND MUSCLE AND JUNGLE WORK"
Hi Arthur, I want to say I love your videos and I honestly adore them to the fullest, you're videos are amazing and I hope you grow larger then ever before 🥇
I've just discovered your channel and really enjoyed this. You've sold me on the Raptors too 😊
Hell yes. Been waiting for someone to make a video about my favorite chapter of camo wearing Raven Guard gunslingers. Besides would you prefer an honorable defeat or a dishonorable victory?
Thanks Mr. Bones, liked your video with Astartes Anonymous too
I always saw the Raptors as the Space Marines for people who like modern military stuff. Pouches instead of purity seals, camouflage instead of decorations. Tactical thinking instead of reckless abandon. Practicality instead of faith. Tacticool instead of knightly.
If you're a melee loving gloryhound then why wouldn't you like someone who shows up to the fight, keeps the enemy off your back as you wade waist deep into the carnage, then disappears without asking for thanks? The raptors are the perfect ranged support Marines.
love em. I play them as a kill team together with some Elysian Drop Troops, fits perfectly in my mind!
They seem pretty neat. Space marine chapters with their own identity that breaks the mood a little are always fun.
This is awesome. I honestly didn't know the raptors had so much lore. I haven't looked into them much. I do love them, but they're also not what I'm personally looking for in the 40k setting so I don't think about them often.
I didint know about this chapter before, first of all they have my favorite color, And i never like to modify my space marines in games or otherwise with unecessary amount of ournaments.
I prefer ranged combat over melee, even melee has its moments, they are tactical and reasonable, seeking to solve problems with least amount of colleteral damage. Even i love space marines it often disgusts me how most treat imperial guard or normal humans, but these guys have learned to be humble in the hard way, and respects them as important assets in battlefield.
Pragmatic shooties and melee gloryhounds. That actually makes sense. They complement each other perfectly, and in no way step on each others shoes. One wants all the glory, other doesnt need any. One wants to take all the bullets and get beaten in melee, other prefers not to. One thrives in close combat, but require someone reliable to cover their rear, when their own guys are not REALLY that good at it. One likes to strike from cover and move unseen to strike again, beferably in the back, while the other is... really, really good at hogging the limelight.
I dont know if its about respect. These two chapters are just unstoppable when working together, without any need for planning or training together. Drop them somewhere near each other and watch the enemy start dying, a lot.
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Your videos are so good.
I could learn a little about the table top and complement the lore i know.
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As a Blood Angels player wanting a bit more variety in my play style, I’ve been looking for a second army that is less melee focussed, and more focussed on shooting and being what I would consider super soldiers. Discovered the Raptors in the latest codex and after watching this and some other videos I love this faction and will be building an army of them. They are what I always thought Space Marines should be, their colour scheme is awesome and their overall attitude, vibe and back story I really like! Hope GW invest more in them I think they are a good chapter for people not wanting to go to heavy on the medieval/gothic aesthetic and go more in on the Sci-fi super solider route.
I've been kicking around the idea of a Raptors army for a while now, ever since I painted the camo cloaks for my blood angels Eliminators and found that camo patterns are really fun to paint. it's a back-burner project, since I already have a Space Marine army, and want to make a Farsight Enclaves force next (I like red, can you tell?) but I might just get a unit here and there to paint as Raptors, and go big on the vietnam vibes, jungle bases, face-paint, camo-armor, knives and ammo pouches, intercessor and infernus gunline, with gravis and terminators as the backbone, and phobos troops as the scalpel.
I'd like the idea of a SM chapter that works hand-in-hand with Imperial Guard.
as in, the SM are acting as squad sergeants in a foot-slogger army.
The SM provide brilliant tactical leadership, but also the individual firepower to create an opening for the rest of the squad to exploit.
Personally deploying them as an assault detachment under the Imperial guard makes more sense. Tactical deployments of space marine squads are a much bigger force multiplier than having them spread over an entire guard regiment.
Plus this mimics how assault and armored detachments are used already. Used more so to achieve a breakthrough or exploit weaknesses in the front line.
So just normal space marines, but with the added improvement that they work within imperial guard command structure and can be exploited without fussy chapter pride
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If this was a Space Marine Army list; you are basically advocating for a Devastator Squad with Las Cannons, whilst I'm advocating for giving each Troop Squad Las Cannons. Both are valid options.
I think that you see putting a Space Marine with an IG squad is limiting the Space Marine's true potential. However, I see it as the Space Marine is able to pull out the IG squad's full potential.
I agree that the Raptors are the DJ Khaled of the 40K world.
Great video. The Raptors are my favorite chapter.
These guys are the embodiment of “I do not require glory, only results.”
Space Marine 2's got me into thinking of making a lore friendly fan chapter. And after watching this, I realized I vibe a lot with the Raptors.
My custom chapter of Primaris only marines, the Avenging Eagles, is a bit of convergent evolution with the Raptors. The Avenging Eagles wear a darker olive drab green compared to the Raptors. But few can tell the difference. Which suits the Avenging Eagles just fine after learning of the Raptors. Though in action, the Avenging Eagles favor close quarters combat and rear area raiders. With the chapter's signature unit being the revier.
The Avenging Eagles gained their name and became a chapter during Indomitus Crusade at the battle of Baal. Their inceptors and reivers descending upon the Tyranids like 'avenging eagles'. The chapter's first captain and chapter master, code named: Clash slew a dimachaeron (yes, that happened in game) with a single round to the wounded monster's eye.
The marines to become the Avenging Eagles had witnessed the rejection of their Primaris grayshield brothers for some time. But it was the Flesh Tearers that convinced them to petition Roboute Guilliman to form a chapter. Once granted, led to the chapter's first secret. Many Primaris destined to other chapters, especially Blood Angels, were claimed as KIA so they could instead fight with the only brothers they knew with the Avenging Eagles.
As such, the Avenging Eagles claim no known legion successor. In part, knowing they have many of primarchs' scions in their chapter. But also the Avenging Eagles apothcarium harbors concern that perhaps much of the geneseed is of the 16th legion, or worst, the 2nd legion. No attempts have been made to discover the truth.
The Avenging Eagles recruit from the planet called Shadow. A mid-20th century tech level planet that was nearly at the point of nuclear war with itself. The Avenging Eagles established military academies across the planet, taking the best and brightest cadets over more barbaric methods of marine recruitment. Additionally, unlike other chapters, new Avenging Eagle marines are first placed in the role they show the most talent, be it intercessor, reiver, aggressor, inceptor, etc. Moving to other roles after they have advanced in their initial position. Another change from the Codex Astartes is the inclusion of the Corporal rank. As Avenging Eagles combat squads split into teams.
To avoid dealing with the Imperium at large, the Avenging Eagles actually prefer to operate deep in Tyranid controlled space. The chapter sees themselves as gloried exterminators. They find little honor in their actions beyond giving humanity more time to solve the problems of the galaxy. For their part, the Avenging Eagles have time and again stymied many Tyranid hive fleets. Including luring them to already dead planets, infiltrating a traveling fleet and destroying a norn queen and anything else the chapter can think of to starve and frustrate the space bugs. The chapter intimately understands the Tyranids need for biomatter, and it not above igniting the atmosphere of a hive world to prevent the bugs from getting it.
Though, such drastic actions are rare. Not that Avenging Eagles regret the loss of life. But that the chapter is woefully under equipped and can't spare many exterminatus devices. For all the use of grav vanes and jump infantry, the Avenging Eagles use a lesser, one-time use version that often have to be ejected after use due to the grav vane incinerating itself. The only gear in high quantities is bolt rounds. Even they are lesser quality compared to most marine chapters.