DF Direct Special: Did The Last Of Us Part 1 Really Need A Remake?
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- We've looked at how the Last of Us Part 1 compares with prior TLOU versions, we've detailed all of the various performance modes, what they do and how they work. Now, we get down to brass tacks. Is this a game that actually required a remake? Is it worth the money? John Linneman and Oliver Mackenzie share notes and come to the conclusion that yes, it is.
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It really feels like this should've been the perfect opportunity for a native PS5 bundle of Part 1 *and* Part 2. A "complete" edition of both TLOU games for the newest system like they did with the Uncharted collections. I bet that would've made the full price issue much more tolerable for most people.
Oh yeah I definitely would’ve paid for that but not $70 for this since I bought it and beat it on PS3 and then again on PS4 pro
I would have bought it.
is a $70 graphics patch.
Yeah great idea
That would have been worth the price tag. In this form, it just feels slimy to be asked to spend $70.
Shadow of the Colossus was an ideal comparison actually. Although IIRC that remake did release at a budget price, which I feel is the main sticking point that most people seem to have with TLOU part 1.
I certainly won’t be buying it until there’s a significant drop.
Yeah but you don't need a video from DF to make that decision for you, at least you say you won't be purchasing it but DF isn't making room for a whole generation of people who might of never played it to begin with because of how old they were when the PS3 or PS4 versions came out and for them its a totally brand new game and experience for them.
@@chrisbullock6477 that doesnt mean the game is new. Just because someone reads a book from decades ago printed on shiny new paper doesn't give marketing scam artists the permission to price gouge something. Stop falling for corpo tricks just because they make your favorite sHiNy TiNgYs.
I am playing it now and having a blast honestly
@@mohammedsadeq5392 Lol, no one's debating whether it is a blast or not, it was a great game before and it's still a great game now, the fact is whether you believe this needed to be remade or not, the real point of contention is that they're asking players who bought the game twice (including the remaster) to fork up premium price when they could have at least provided a discount if you'd purchased the previous version, as DF mentioned the world economy its kinda S**T at the moment and releasing this @ 70(insert currency) here is not the most consumer friendly move
@@Mellowkin I know and you are right but I still find value in it ; I think Sony will put it in ps plus soon if the sales are not strong enough
Infamous and Killzone collections need to be a thing.
Man I miss infamous.
And Resistance while they’re at it. Sony really seems to have no care for their PS3 legacy.
They either need to remaster more PS3 games or add PS3 emulation for PS5!
THANK YOU!
@@Mr.Atari2600 anything exclusive to ps3 really
Oliver has the most soothing voice
who is the most soothing ?
@@Devil-ni9lp Oliver
@@2drealms196 😂
back off, he's mine 💅
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Quick note: I love this format. It's really great to hear more opinions from the team, especially on a big game. I would love to hear more in general about things you can't put into the videos and you brought some amazing points to this discussion.
The weekly vid provides this kind of content, so if you haven't checked it out yet, I recommend it. 👍
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Very nice vid! I'm skipping this at launch for sure. I will pick it up later down the line for the collection, but I'm not shelling out full retail price for this again lol.
The same for me no chance they get retail from me, same with uncharted il eventually get that.
yep, when the price goes down to the 20-30$ range I will consider buying
Good man. Wait till it's ≤$20.
So say all of us. Its just not different enough for a full price game. Charging that is just greed from Sony
Played free on ps3, then free on ps4 pro remastered version. Probably free too on ps5 later..
Oliver was a great guest! John and him should have more directs with each other.
Great chemistry for sure!
A lot of work has gone into replacing all the assets and drastically improving the lighting, but that's nothing compared to building a new AAA game from scratch.
With that in mind, the $70 price tag is a hard sell. It's a good product, but I wouldn't be happy spending $70 on a brand new game at the best of times.
The most similar remaster/remake to this would be halo 1 and 2 anniversary, and they were cheaper than $70 when combined with almost every other game in the series!
Well said.
Imagine posting this on two videos in a row after being proven wrong, completely ignoring aspects that were changed by saying it was just graphics.
@@SolidBoss7 I never said it was just graphics. The argument that arose last time was whether or not it was technically a remake or a remaster, which is irrelevant to the point I'm making here.
@@SolidBoss7 he is not ignoring . The other changes aren’t significant enough .
if this was not coming to pc you would not even get this lets be honest
I agree with John: a PS5 collection with both games would've been perfect for that price.
Just the first one... eh, too pricey.
Ugh such a missed opportunity
I bought this and have played through it. I don't think this is a $90 + tax CAD remake. I feel like I paid too much, and feel a bit of regret for spending that much money on it.
It wouldn’t have even taken much effort to remaster the second game for PS5. Just performance toggles for 2160p/30, 1440p/60, and 120Hz Display and VRR support.
And proper support for the PS5’s SSD and 3D Audio would be a nice touch.
They could’ve gone the extra step and implement 1080p/120 modes across both games like the Legacy of Thieves collection too.
@@SanchezS1998 i don’t think it’s as easy as you make out but yeah it would’ve been do able.
@@chrisstucker1813 it is easy. But the heads don't want the hassle and "waste of time".
They could've only added 2 modes and people would be happy. 4K/30. 1440/60.
If this is your first time playing? Absolutely, it is. But like me and countless others, the $70 is too steep for something with less content from the PS4 version.
Yes Jesus Christ you aren’t stating anything new that a thousand people haven’t already said the last 72 hours.
i paid 60 euro and wouldnt have paid more than that. but the last time ive played the last of us was on ps3 and i wanted to own a version of the game so i thought it was worth it
Honestly no games should cost $70 for the base especially remakes or remasters. New games should stick to the $60 price or even lower them. Just remember regional pricing is a thing
@@JonJonJonJonJonJonJonJon the more the better this way Sony takes notes
@@crestofhonor2349 welcome to inflation games used to cost 120$ 20-40 years ago we be back there soon
The last bit of the video, as they discuss the business case for remakes/remasters, was the best part for me. Loved it! Do more content with Oliver, he’s great!
I love this post coverage discussion idea
seconded!
I appreciate that you guys kept changing the background in the video. This was a joy to listen to. I hope you all do more videos like this in the future.
This type of post analyze coverages are definitely cool to see! Thank you for the good work, DF!
Feels a bit like damage control.
@@bliglum They're just being professional. John did a great unbiased analysis on the game, it was tight and objective and now they release a new video to talk more freely about everything. It's a good route
@@bliglum Except there's no damage to control (from DF's perspective).
@@bliglum What damage are you talking about, exactly?
@@Adam-ps4nq How $70 for a remaster of a remaster of a nearly decade old game is a bit steep.
Love how knowledgeable you guys are. Thank you for taking the time!
I love these post review videos. I hope y’all can keep making them. I hope everyone out there is doing okay!
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I bought this and have played through it. I don't think this is a $90 + tax CAD remake. I feel like I paid too much, and feel a bit of regret for spending that much money on it.
The problem isn't if TLoU really needed a remake, more options is always a good thing. The thing is that there are myriads of other great games that need a remake but haven't got one while these big hitters have got already more than one Remaster/Remake
What do you want, a democratic committee that decides which games are approved for a remake? Like tough shit that your niche title you played on the PS1 which sold a grand total of 6 copies isn't getting a remake, such is life.
@@xsct878 A game that sold six copies you think would be asked for a remake? If you need to go to extremes to make a point, you don't have one. You're just being a contrarian or like to nag other opinions.
Agreed. I mean demons souls was fantastic man. Worlds apart from its original. TLOU didnt really need a remake yet. Maybe when the PS6 comes out i guess but for now. This Feels too rushed.
@@furtalance_x Did it for the show and more money. Sony is very much learning into being an elite council where all they make is worth any price. Not on Rockstar's level yet, but same hubris they know consumers will pay.
@@blumiu2426 i hope not. Sets the wrong precedent they will remake Ghost of Tsushima next yr then lol
I’ve seen some discussion that claims it’s a fundamentally different experience because of the newer tech. I think that’s a bit of a stretch, I think as far as remakes go, FF7 Remake is a much better example of a “fundamentally different experience”
But if you’re going by that then ff7 remake cut a shit ton of content
FF7 is in a league of its own as a remake.
But for me TLOU remake has definitely been even more impactful than I could have imagined.
The expressions and reworked models have lent to a new level of realism.
Which is funny, because my nostalgia glasses had me remembering this is what the game looked like anyway… obviously it didn’t.
Ff7 temake is not really a remake tho
It's a sequel/reboot
@@elliemelmoth1378 okay but that's not the point
@@marcomilan3738 mincing words
if a remake is going to charge full price, I have to consider whether or not an equivalent title that wasn't a remake would be worth $70. the visuals look next gen, and while it seems like they made some improvements, the stealth seems slow compared to Part II and the game not as intense or unpredictable. if they're going to charge 2022 premium but it has 2010 jank, then I can't justify buying it at full price when I have other stuff to play
That’s how I feel. If Part 1 released today the reviews would be “amazing graphics, masterpiece story, embarrassing ancient gameplay design. 7-8/10”
@@dookieshoes3585 yep, maybe even a 9 in some outlets. when Demon's Souls launched on PS5, I did buy it at full price. I hadn't played the original so maybe that had something to do with it. But for me it was the first next gen PS5 game visual showcase with dated gameplay that I hadn't experienced, but I didn't have anything else to play. No judgement on someone paying $70 for this bc it looks awesome, but now nearly 2 years into the PS5 life, I'm playing Death Stranding Director's Cut for $20
Voyagers revenge said its somewhat faster than tlou2
I think I have a pretty hardline opinion that from the PS3/360 era onward, we basically don't need visual remakes, just remasters. That's something I've loved about the Xbox BC program, where we've gotten a number of games effectively remastered for free with resolution and/or fps boosts. Many of those 360 and even OG Xbox games still look good.
If you're talking about a bigger overhaul where the gameplay changes then I'm more open to it. I think REmake is a good example: not only did it improve the graphics a ton, it used a lot of learnings and refinement of survival horror gameplay that came between. I'm blanking on if there have been any things like that recently but I could consider it being worthwhile
That shouldn't be a hardline rule though. Video game visuals have made a huge leap since the limitations of 256 MB VRAM on PS3. That's why for example it was pretty disappointing to get a remaster of Mafia II looking inferior to Mafia I remake. Another ironic example is how Demon's Souls look two generations ahead of Dark Souls 1 Remaster today in terms of graphics even though DS1 came out later. As a Fromsoft fan who played all the games I didn't even bother to get the remaster since it was practically identical to the older PC version with mods.
It is of course ideal to get them through backwards compatibility with no additional cost but new releases of PS360 era games as remasters will inevitably feel really dated especially for new generation of gamers. Like it is really nice to have Red Dead Redemption on backcompat but it honestly would be incredible to have RDR 1 rebuilt on RDR 2's engine (not just for graphics but gameplay reasons too. RDR 2 have much superior animations, AI, horse riding, ragdoll physics etc.).
Excellent video as always guys. I see a video with John, I click. Oliver you have been killing it with your work and deep analysis on these videos as well, well done dudes. :D
Just played The Last of Us Part 1 for the first time ever. I never played it on PS3 or PS4. As a person with a completely fresh perspective I can say this was absolutely incredible in every way. This is instantly in my top 5 favorite games ever.
In terms of pricing. I think from the consumer's viewpoint this is perhaps a lot because as much as there is improvement visually, this is still a one to one remake and the actors presumably didnt have to perform again, no motion capture has been redone, perhaps adjustment from the artists, the layout of the maps and the story are already here, and have been for a long time. But you could also argue that of course Part 1 will not sell as well as Part 2 because that's not an entirely new game, so as they expect less sales they didn't want to sacrifice the pricing. To me that's still a lot to ask. Fortunately game prices decrease rapidly that's just about waiting a bit
Another great video guys. Love the comparison videos. The side by side character models really do show how much better they look on new hardware.
Looking forward to more like these.
As a primarily PC gamer that barely played the original, yes I'm very pleased this game got a remake, since it will bring that fresh first playthrough up to modern standards and looks stunning.
I'm a digital character designer and being able to deconstruct these models piece by piece and see how they work and how they were made is going to be so beneficial to me. I'm stoked to get this on PC.
I went in my closet and got my ps4 out, got it updated and everything to play the remastered just to remember what it looked like, it doesn't look bad, but omg i haven't played a 30fps game in so long I'm spoiled by my 144hz monitor that it just felt slow, almost like input lag, i have the original ps4 not the pro, maybe you get 60fps on the pro but i would love to play this on PC too and take advantage of high frames assuming they don't lock it to 60.
@@KurruptedDataYouT tlou remastered runs at 60 on the ps4
@@shockvalue5086 ps4 pro?
To be fair, on the choking thing, realistically, it takes a minute to choke someone out. I don't think that needs to be sped up at all. It grounds it.
Agreed. It was one of the reasons I like the E3 demo, makes it feel more tense. It is what separated TLOU from other games. Otherwise, it would be arcadey and no different than PS2 games
A perfectly performed carotid choke like in the game can knock someone out in 5-10 seconds. Years ago in Judo my instructor demonstrated on me and after 2-3 seconds I was seeing stars, by 5 I could feel myself blacking out. If a blood choke can put an MMA fighter in the hospital in 15 seconds than it can easily take out those goons.
Edit : look up carotid choke / blood choke death. Consensus say anything past 20 seconds and your in dangerous territory.
@@cynic5581 correct if you’re a trained fighter lol. Joel ain’t that. He’s a survivor, sure. But he ain’t doing any of that. Even then, however, it still reasons to say that 5-10 seconds is about how long the choke animation was in the original game…maybe less. I think asking for the choke animation to be less than that is unreasonable.
John, love your interviewing and comments. Glad you are still on DF.
What would have been cool, though i don't know how they would have done it, would be to have a mode like in Halo Anniversary where you can switch from the original to the remake. That way you could really see the improvements.
Utterly pointless.
@@darthmarticusLFC I'm guessing you're talking about your comment.
Sounds like a waste of game programming... running a skin layer over an old 3d engine "just because" instead of using their new custom coded 3d engine except for the FEAR of "vocal fans" who most likely have zero intentions to actually buy the game or even a PS5 but spend a ton of time on the internet spreading misinformation and hate filled posts that make them sound like as if they were fans.
That's a Microsoft thing they did and was a bad idea... this coming from me who purchased the Xbox and Halo CE in 2002 and Halo 2 in 2004.
The problem with the PS5 The Last of Us Remake is the FEAR of change and fear of perceived vocal fans whining about it...
There's just too many improvements to gameplay mechanics in TLOU2 but let's say ok... don't include that... what happened to expanding the game by ADDING story missions between the missions we are too familiar with...
What happened to ADDING more enemy A.I.s instead of keeping the SAME things that were software and somewhat hardware limitations from the end of the PS3 generation?
Adding more enemies in the maps would not have broken the game... that's why easy mode exists.
It seems the game developers are pressured by fear... they told a story that was somewhat rushed in the PS3 game back in 2013... why not tell more story inside the original game?
Also western gamer journalists are too damned critical of a game "changing" yet Sega Enterprises Japan did an excellent job at remaking. Fully remaking a first party PS4 level Remake of the Yakuza 1 and Yakuza 2 games for the PS4 with expanded graphics and gameplay mechanics...
However the coverage that single player story game gets is nowhere near the online first person shooter games rinse repeat coverage so much that most gamers don't even know the Yakuza games exist like they didn't know Capcom's Dragon's Dogma existed back in 2012 to 2013
Dumb idea
@@apollosungod2819 Didn't read lol
For me spending $110 (NZD) was a tough ask considering you get the remaster for free with your PSN subscription, and like a previous comment it's a bit of a tradeoff - I can either buy this or a new game I haven't played before. However, since I'm a big fan of the series and can actually get the full visual benefit with my setup I'm happy with the purchase and has been a great time identifying some of the differences and big improvements between the PS3 and remaster. Perhaps it could have been a bit cheaper but I don't know the costs of actually making something like this, so I'm not qualified.
I don't mind a long stealth kill if I want immersion and realism. Killing someone with a blood choke takes real time. They go out quick, but wake back up immediately when you let go. To actually kill them.. you maybe have to hold for a minute plus.
It also adds some serious tension when you are choking someone and hoping not to be seen.
You can break someone's neck after they go limp. The crack won't be noisier than the struggle before it.
Ellie is too OP, no one else can use a knife in the Apocalypse.
Please nerf.
@@jeronimo196 That's a good point. They never show the break in Ltou2. But they die, so that may be a way of thinking about it.
*NO*
In other news, water is wet.
They remastered it from the ground up visually, which is what a remaster is. The fact people expected more is just bizarre to me. They updated it for a whole new generation of gamers. It’s $70, but it’s worth it if you never played it.
The other thing that stands out with this remake is the rebranding. The part 1 in its title is pretty significant. As previously people thought of the game as being a pretty standalone self contained story. But adding the part1 basically incorporates it's sequel alot more and gives its sequel more credit. And from a marketing perspective it encourages people to buy both games.
And I also think they are doing the ground work for setting up a last of us part 3.
Feels like naughty dog are trying to sell it in a similar manner to ff7 remake where its 3 games that come together to make 1 big game.
Agreed
What? that’s nonsense mate.
@@dr.chungusphd108 no it's not it makes perfect sense
you're surprised two of the most critically acclaimed games of all time would get a sequel? there will probably be more than just 3 buddy. and each one will get a re-release every generation or two.
@@NetDive he in no way mentioned his surprise living brainrot
I think the main thing that detracts from this particular remake is the fact that there's already a version of the game readily available on ps4 and ps5 and runs close to 4K 60 fps on ps4 pro and ps5 with visuals that really aren't all that dated. It's not like say the RE1 remake where it was made in less time since the release of the original RE1 but the jump in visuals between generations was night and day.
Not just that, but the modeling software used was also a major factor. Photoshop and other desktop publishing software was barely in it's infancy in terms of knowledge of use of the general public. You really had to attend classes for digital art programs, much less 3D software. People were still using "default" color palettes in most software suites, which was telling of the lack of cross knowledge application of graphic design, art, and computer software. Papyrus anyone? Kerning? Color Theory?
Remastered is 1800p60 on PS4 Pro and 5 with Low Quality Shadows and 1080p60 with High Quality Shadows (AFAIR)
4K 60 fps doesn't nean anything when the assets, models, and textures of the original games were made for the 256 MB RAM of the PS3 though. The jump in visuals is very significant between the PS4 port and the PS5 remake especially when seen in person and not through youtube compression.
Besides, the detail in the environments and models are just one thing, the biggest leap games have made since the PS3 era are arguably facial animations which is very important in a story driven game where characters convey a lot of emotion through subtle expressions and that part is night and day difference.
This was a great video, plenty of information to mulch over, thank you guys! 👍
Did we need it? No...am I enjoying every second playing it again looking like a real Pixar movie in real-time? You damn right. Utterly amazing in every way. Without seeing it fully in action on your TV, it's hard to grasp the details added. The facial animations are better than most CG movies. The lighting is god-like...Who needs RT with artists like this?
For $70 with less content? Have any of you heard of the term "Cash Grab"?
This game is eventually going to go to PS Plus Essential or PS Plus Extra/Premium. Just gonna wait it out
I just played on grounded difficulty the part right after you first get the molotov, and i was wearing the PS 3D Audio Headset and that was so creepy. The sounds the clickers make had me on edge. Great game
I bought this and have played through it. I don't think this is a $90 + tax CAD remake. I feel like I paid too much, and feel a bit of regret for spending that much money on it.
The audio in this game is crazy good.
Cannot wait for this to come out on PC.
Yes, that is when I'll get it again. Being able to turn the graphics settings up will make the price easier to stomach.
Price issues aside, I think this remake exists to port their engine to PC and train ND for PC development. Especially if their live service factions game is day one on PC and an upcoming port of Part 2.
Yeah I agree
Is the factions game still coming out?
To your point I also think the price is to allow them to charge 70$ on PC
So your speculation is that they recreated all the textures, models, and assets from the ground up plus reanimated all the facial expressions by hand in TLOU 2's fidelity so that Naughty Dog can port the engine and be trained for PC development? How does that make sense? I think the idea of remaking TLOU and Sony porting games two PC were two entirely separate decisions with separate goals lmao.
@@weaverquest pretty sure they said Part 1 was made because they didn’t have a project for this group of devs and it was useful for practicing ps5 tech. Not sure if they’re the same team that’s porting to pc thougu
Not for 70 dollars, buy it on sale if you haven’t played it. Or better yet play the original, which doesn’t look as good, but has a unique and beautiful style to it.
This could've been better if they added a left behind part 2 starring joel and tommy in boston.
One of my favorite games of all time. Playing it at its best with updated visuals and performance is a no brainer for me. $70 is steep when I owned the PS4 remaster, but I felt it worth it due to wanting to best version now.
I think the answer to the question "When is a remake necessary?" will always be some form of accessibility.
To use another game I don't think is worth the full price it released at The Link's Awakening Remake.
Link's Awakening DX was and still is, not on Switch. On top of that, at its core, it's a Game Boy game, built and developed around that system's limits. While the remake content wise is built to be similar, the mechanical and presentation differences are big enough to make it a different experience. I.E. 2D -> 3D bringing with it its own suite of changes, as well as now four+ extra buttons meaning items and actions can just be assigned their own button rather than having to equip and unequip them to use it. LA's only drawback is that it is at its core, still a GB game, making the $60 price tag hard to swallow.
Meanwhile, The Last of Us has a readily available and more than playable PS4 version that also is still more than playable on PS5. Part 1 looks and plays better for sure, especially with all the new accessibility options, but it is fully priced and will also lack multiplayer, *on top of* the PS4 version being free to some PS5 users makes the $70 entry fee even more difficult to swallow compared to Link's Awakening.
Overall, I feel the price is what's the biggest killer in this conversation even if technically speaking a remake might have been appropriate , if a little unnecessary.
they were always going to remaster the game for the PS5, not even a question, at least they put in a decent effort, it's pretty much TLOU2s code base at it core.. what they did is miles beyond a remaster, which they could have done and sold that for 70! the redressed the entire game, and the DLC, level by level, they didn't just crank the frame rate and resolution.. and with motion matching and the newest AI, I mean come on.. I played Factions for years after launch, it's one of my favorite MPs to this day, but only 1/10 even tried it.. with Factions2 coming out, I get why they're not going to split the playerbase between a new factions1 servers and factions2 when it comes out.. anyways, do you wish this was the way you got to experience this game for the first time? at the end of the day, that's who the remake is for truly for.. all these people complaining, not saying that's what you're doing, but others surely are.. how long time fans haggle about price seems super entitled and immature, like just because they bought the game twice already, they deserve a discount.. that's not how value works.. the question of necessity? it's not. it's video games. it's a first world luxury entertainment industry, need is _never_ the question.. you know, if one can't afford a AAA remake of their favorite game on launch day, that's life.. and them whining about it on the internet, calling ND liars and cash grabbers etc.. go kick rocks, you're only mad because you cant afford it! they remade the game because the TV show is coming out, and because it's a new gen.. and you bet they're gonna do this again on the PS6.. 🤷♂️ it'll probably be half off by the end of the year, Christmas 50percent off sale.. enough crying, it's a bad look ✌️
Listen my dude, for me, I don't care if I already have the current version. I'm one of the ogs of the original story and multiplayer. I would rather spend a one time fee of 80-85 then A consecutive fee every month/ every season pass that's released. I'll support single player All day baby. What y'all need to talk about is the predatory practices currently in Multiplayer games. But considering most are relatively, the clogs in their financial wheel, y'all don't say anything. If I keep going on, I'm going to write a novel. Point is stop comparing this to the remastered version that was released in 2014. Remakes and Remasters are two different brands.
This was such a great video, these are the kind of video I would expect from DF. Also, superb duo.
Great video guys!
Anyone know what that game playing over John's right shoulder? Thanks!
I look at it like, it’s what happens with films being released on various formats, as well as being remastered along the way. I’ve bought some of my favourite films multiple times since VHS, John Carpenter’s The Thing for example, I’ve owned 4 versions of that movie with the most recent 4k release which was £40.
With the remake of The Last Of Us, they’ve recreated the environments so they’re more visually consistent with part 2. After playing part 1 again it definitely feels up to the quality standard of part 2 if not better in some areas. Due to the visual improvements part 2 made, in the decay of the environments in particular, it did make the older versions of The Last Of Us look more dated.
So is The Last Of Us on ps5 worth it? It depends how much you love it i think, I’ve bought it because it’s a top ten favourite game of mine and i want to see the best version of it. If you’ve never played it it’s pretty much essential. There’s always the cheaper ps3, ps4 versions to choose from too if this is too high a price right now. No doubt it will drop to about half price well before Christmas.
Exactly how I feel. I have many of the same movies in my collection from HD up to my newest collection of UHD movies. I bought it because I like having the best version of things. It's pretty natural in lots of formats. I'd say as long as it's not putting a damper on the development of their other games I see no issues at all. Win/Win for everyone that wants it.
I got the ps3 and the two ps4 games(part 2 is trash tho), this game is not worth 70$, im willing to pay 20-30$ max.
Im a huge fan.
I've never played the game before but since I got a PS5 a few days ago I decided to try the PS4 Remaster right before I started playing the PS5 Remake and I have to say the improvements are quite significant and help a lot with immersion. For someone like me playing the PS4 Remaster in 2022 the graphics look dated, so do the animations and facial expressions.
The Remake improves on these tremendously with the lighting being the star of the show. It ads a lot to the overall experience.
I found the companion AI on the Remaster to be immersion breaking because they kept running in front of enemies during stealth parts breaking the immersion. They seem to have tweaked the companion AI where they don't behave like this but are more cautious in the routes they take.
I keep on hearing people say that if the entry point is too high for some. Then they should wait for a price drop, which should be in the next few months or so. But why do people feel like that's gonna be the case for this particular game. When looking at Sony's track record, their games don't rarely if ever drop in price soon after. Take Demon's Souls for instance, that game has been out for nearly two years. You can even play it through their subscription service. A pre-owned copy is roughly $40, but if you want to buy it brand new, it's still $70. That goes for almost all of their PS5 titles, which The Last of Us Part 1 is. So they're not expecting to get the same kind of sales numbers as the sequel or the original versions. So why would they sell it for less, when this game might only sell 1-2 million copies...if that.
Yeah, but how often do they go back and actually REPLACE the CGI SFX of old movies for new 4K releases? They'll clean up the original film negative, but other than George Lucas, it's VERY rare that you'll see updated CGI spaceships in the new Last Starfighter 4K BluRary release ;)
I really enjoyed this video. I agree completely this would have been an awesome “collection” edition with Part 2 included. I think I’ll pick it up once it’s a little cheaper.
I love this conversation type video, please do more
This will probably end up on PS Plus at some point, I'll wait for it then.
Love what you guys do man!!!! Keep it going!
I suppose a remake makes sense to tie in with the upcoming show and it justifies the PC port to obtain a whole new audience. A lot of people buying this for PC have never played the game.
Great video, Oliver is cool and well spoken, hope to see more from him. (:
What is the name of the retro shoot’em up game playing in attract mode behind John?
Finally, the question we've all been asking for months!!!
The way I see it every remake is worth it just to see how things change over time.
If the remake ends up good, sweet, if not, the original still exists.
If stealth kills are too quick that would make the game too easy, and yeah it's all about the tension while killing an enemy only with your hands and not being caught by other enemies
Just like the Metal Gear Solid games, you're not required to kill everyone, just the ones that get in your way. 40 Hz = Incorrect ... It's 40 FPS @ 120 Hz
120Hz... exactly !
40fps is still 40hz. That's what hertz is. Whether the output is actually 120 doesn't matter.
I think John, Rich and Oliver often use "40Hz" as simple shorthand for "40fps at 120Hz" oftentimes simply using "Hz" to refer to the game's refresh/framerate synonymously even if the usage isn't literally correct.
I bought this and have played through it. I don't think this is a $90 + tax CAD remake. I feel like I paid too much, and feel a bit of regret for spending that much money on it.
@@JZStudiosonline Refresh Rate is not the same as Frames Per Second, standard TVs always work at a fixed Refresh Rate, most common refresh rates for TVs are 60 Hz and 120 Hz. You can use V-Sync to synchronize FPS and refresh rate. 60 Hz can synchronize 60, 30 or 15 FPS. 120 Hz can synchronize 120, 60 or 40 FPS.
This is exactly what I was looking for, awesome video as always!
Really enjoyed this type of discussion. 🙌
Personally for me. A game is worthy of a remake whenever there is a sizeable change in quality in the industry. Resident Evil 1 was remade for the Gamecube and within 6 years. A lot of people want the best versions of their favorite games.
I will say if you are remaking a game i prefer the RE route where they make the game to fit the current generation based off of improvements to the franchaise over time.
If I ever get a remake for Sonic Adventure. I want more upgrades for characters and like frontiers is doing adding more adjustable settings per character.
Edit: I think TLOU pt.1 is more for pc gamers that never played the game. unfortunately its NOT on pc yet.... Also We need Jak and Daxter remakes...
I think the biggest issue with this game is they insist on calling it a remake while changing almost nothing but the graphics. If they called it a remaster and stoped pretending that this is some great revolution to the game then things might be more understandable. Also the $70 price tag to what amounts to a texture upgrade is laughable.
@@nandoman4769 A texture upgrade is what TLoU Remastered was. This is a complete remake they don't "insist" on calling it a remake, it literally is one.
TLOU Part 1 is for anyone who played Part 2 and want to experience the original game again at that standard. Much more expressive facial animations, lush and very rich new environments, much smoother gameplay and advanced AI of Part 2, the vast amount of gameplay modifiers and accessibility features and more. There are lots of aspects of this remake that turned Part 1 & 2 into a very cohesive continuous experience.
I partially replayed the PS4 remaster after playing through Part 2 and the relatively outdated aspects of the original really did make it hard to come back to it.
@@nandoman4769 Its more than just a texture upgrade. It for sure is a remake. It may not have changed the gameplay so much but it still falls under that umbrella. This is definitely something ill pick up in a few years on ps plus or 10$ at some website or store
@@nandoman4769 Just because they didn't add dodge or prone doesn't mean the gameplay wasn't changed I think 10x better graphics, AI tweaks, smoother movement & gunplay, & new redone animations is substantial changes I feel like people expected this to be like an FF7R type project when it's more like the Demon's Souls remake by Bluepoint. That changed nothing apart from visuals & a single noticeable gameplay tweak it's still considered a remake & a good one Shadow of the Colossus by Bluepoint changed even less than DeS remake it is actually just a visual upgrade.
What is a "proper" remake is subjective for me with TLoU Part 1 this is what I want remakes to be like as opposed to something like FF7R which is an undoudebtly good game but changes so much about the original FF7 in content & story because this is a remake why not expand the scope to more than the original game?"
The point is to preserve the legacy of the original, make an old game feel new with new tech but I think making the old game completely new isn't the best thing to do in terms of honoring the original experience with a remake
I think the definition of remake has shifted to mean a more drastically changed game and that's not what I want from a remake. The whole distinction between remaster/remake is so blurred Crash & Spyro collection are marketed as remasters but everyone considers them remakes & by the current definition most people go by they definitely are more like remakes. I think what is often call remake or remaster now is more akin to a "redux" version of a game like pretty much all Resident Evil remakes are like this they don't just remake the game beat for beat with modern technology the entire scope & goals of it are changed to be so different, things are cut or changed while new stuff is added that dilutes what the original was people playing the remake to get the experience of what they missed playing the original games are not going to get that very much at all. I guess I look at remakes/remaster as strictly for preservation purposes while it's becoming less about that & more about being a showcase of how far gaming has come not celebrating it's history & how influential these products were in their time for what they specifically did, it's about realizing an idealized vision of what the games could have been if we had this tech back then. I do understand why that is appealing.
In the case of this remake it's not as bad because TLoU has been preserved in it's original state and will be for the foreseeable future but with Resident Evil remakes I have a love/hate relationship with them cause they are quality games, I have so many hours in RE2R but it's not actually a faithful remake of RE2 and it takes the namesake of the OG game while being way more readily accessible to people. I get why Capcom wants to do this cause the remakes are part of a reboot timeline but the erasure of the series legacy like that just sits wrong with me eventually people might forget what the original games were & how the series actually evolved. definitely more people will have apathy towards the original games because they just are harder to actually experience now for people without prior investment it will be like jumping through hoops so why bother?
Just bought this copy today. Drove 1hr away to get it. Every store close by( walmart,target,best buy) were all sold out of the game. So with all the shit talked on this new remake people baught it. I feel this game is going to sell better then people think its going to. For me i never beat the game and stopped playing it when they announced the ps5 remake.
Same in my city. Bought it around noon on Friday and every GameStop and Best Buy had one to zero left.
I work at a Target and we only received one copy of the game. It feels like Sony themselves either don't have much faith in people buying a physical copy or they're doing artificial scarcity
'What reason was there for this, and I think the answer is the gameplay enhancements'
I replayed TLOU a year or so ago and just played through the new remake - I didn't notice any 'enhancements' or differences whatsoever.
I have no doubt some changes exist, but the game felt identical.
Iv always seen it mentioned remasters where done to train up new staff and test new hardware and software, first time was when TB did a review on a remake game and started talking about the new team where being trained making the game.
Having already beaten the game, I know how it ends and there's no need to ever play it again
I feel the exact same. I never had the urge to play it again
this is probably one of the few games that feel more like a remaster than a remake, even tho it is a remake, i do believe there was room for more improvement in the gameplay, map layout, more content, etc. is just that it really doesn't feel much different to make it worth the price tag
Yes there is ZERO excuse for it to be near exactly the same. It is effectively a remaster of a remaster. There was a time when these kinds of practices were slated by reviewers and gamers. Now these are laughably accepted. 🤪
@@FreddieFraggs they should've packaged tlou2 ps5 for the price they're charging
Here’s the problem, the game is absolutely BELOVED by so many, if they started changing things, it would have caused an uproar, “you changed too much” “it lost it’s identity” “ they ruined a classic” etc. etc. they made a choice to keep the spirit of the original by not changing anything structurally, but tweaking AI, facial animations, character models, environments, and including small things from part 2 that brings it up to modern standards. They were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. Just a reality. We fans can’t make up our minds. I’m guilty of it too. Frankly this game is one of my favorites of all time, and to play it in a brand new light, with the absolute best graphics possible, it is absolutely worth it to me. Every cut scene hits SOOOO much harder just by updating the facial animations alone, and they did SOOOO much more than just that.
Too be fair, I still think $70 is far too steep, however, I’ve paid FAAAAR more, for FAAAAAR less. This game is at least a goddamn masterpiece, and is always a treat to experience.
@@BobaVett The problem with your point though is they did not have to release it again. They could have just made the PS4 version backwards compatible with upscaling or visual enhancements. The same game has now been on three generations of consoles.... btw I ain't just in to classic gaming. I also have a Series X and a PS5 just incase you say I should just stick to retro gaming. 😜
@@reach5589 Agreed!
Playing it on my Sony 4k 120hz HDR VRR TV and it looks and runs great with an unlocked frame rate. One of my top five games of all time. Could never go back to the older versions.
Like these types of post release discussions!
The game looks nice, but it's totally unnecessary. No-one was complaining about the existing PS4 version. The two main arguments I've seen are the PC port, and the accessibility features. Neither of those things required a remake though.
Nobody cares. In the big picture, and not the annoying vocal internet crowd, ND’s fans love this game and will buy it pretty much every time as long as there’s improvements…which there was in the remaster, and a massive amount with this remake. No matter how much people cry about this, they’re truly just the vocal minority.
@@SolidBoss7 'In the big picture' just because people are willing to buy something doesn't make it necessary, it's an opinion just like yours.
@@SolidBoss7 unfortunately that's the case. ND hasn't made a bad game as far as I'm concerned, and I've played them all (except their two mascot racering games, they're probably fantastic games, but that genre aint my jam)
@@braidena1633 Yep, and I think it’s funny, because a large portion of the people being vocal on the internet are secretly going to buy it anyways. It’s kind of sad how internet gaming culture has become consumed by outrage culture and politics. This started with people crying about what happened in TLOU2 story before anyone on the street ever even played it. Then when people did play it and realize ND killed it and made everyone feel a range of emotions and fall in love with Abby, it was very hard for them to go back and change the narrative online. All I know is everyone I’ve ever spoken to in real life who’s played and was a fan of ND games have nothing but the highest of praise for them. That’s why their games will continue to sell like hot cakes. That speaks for itself.
@@SolidBoss7 Haha
Talk about milking this game lol.
A Naughtydog employee said they thought a lot about whether or not to include dodge and prone and that it took quite a bit of work to actually remove these moves from the remake.
Tatsujin Oh running on the background on John's arcade set-up!!!!!
First things first: a full remaster of a half remaster is a remaster. Which is fine for anyone that hasn't played it before and is waiting for it on ps5/PC but calling it a remake is incorrect. It hasn't fundamentally changed since 2013.
The game is built from the ground up with new assets, improved animation, lighting, and revamped AI. Seems like a remake to me. Yeah, it is a 1 to 1 recreation for the most part but I think it fits more as a remake than a remaster. Remaster would be taking the same game and maybe updating the texture, resolution, and framerate like what they did with the ps4 version. Part 1 does much more than that. It is more like the n-sane trilogy and spyro remakes. They are also 1 to 1 recreation but no one is calling them a remaster. Granted, it is an insane graphical upgrade compared to part 1 but still.
I think they could have done a remake for God of war 1 and 2, or twisted metal, resistance or killzone
Different studios though
@@Games-tx1zc then santa Monica studios can make it since Ragnarok will be there last gow
I bought this and have played through it. I don't think this is a $90 + tax CAD remake. I feel like I paid too much, and feel a bit of regret for spending that much money on it.
Naughty Dog won't be remaking other studio's games. None of those IPs are theirs. They should remake Jak and Daxter 1 though
@@anon-qy5if I feel you, I live in Niagara falls Ontario and now my chances of getting a PS5 just got harder thanks to sony
There are so many framerate stutters in this video I think I need a breakdown of this videos performance and what we can do for framerate compensation going forward.
This video is almost like ASMR. I've never felt so relaxed.
I like tlou, but just some obvious improvment (i mean, years have passed) are not enough for a full price game
The issue for me is purely the pricing structure around the Last of Us Part 1 (and/or ANY other remake/remaster). I don't see how they can charge the same price as a brand new game when the 'bulk' of the Work was done 9yrs ago. The story writing, Scripts and Voice work, storyboarding, concept work, travelling to areas to take photographs to 'build' the environments, all the planning and design of the game etc etc. Its a 'graphical' upgrade with modern tweaks 'brought across' from 'newer' games to make it 'easier' to remake. There is no new Game Director and all their work is being used.
I don't have an issue with remakes/remasters in general - in some cases, its more for 'new' gamers that missed out on previous games so having a new version with new visuals and more refined controls at a 'low' cost is perfectly fine - fans too may feel the 'upgrades' are worth the 'low' fee, but expecting Fans to pay nearly double the price for exactly the same story, exactly the same dialogue, exactly the same 'plot' beats, exactly the same 'predictable' outcome (it was Obvious Joel wouldn't let Ellie be killed) and all the people you 'meet' on your journey all still end up dying as they always have done - nothing 'new' to add and in fact get less content too as the MP is gone. Its like owning a DVD & Bluray version of a Movie with lots of 'Extras' included, now being sold for twice as much on 4k Bluray with NO extras - the film is still the same, same dialogue, same plot, same conclusion etc just with a bit more detail and refined image - especially over the DVD version....
ND are basically 'remastering' the MP to sell it as a separate Live service experience instead of including it with Part 1. I'd not pay £70 for a remake with ALL the content included, I won't pay £70 for a brand new game so no way would I pay that for an OLD game that was extremely linear, predictable and the 'same' core experience throughout. At least with Mass Effect, your decisions and choices can change the plot beats, the interactions, the game-play etc due to the nature of RPGs, classes etc. You can have a different experience depending on your own choices - paragon or renegade, Biotic or soldier. Joel and Ellie's story is extremely linear and the game-play is too so apart from looking and playing more refined, its the same game and core experience!!
Pricing isn’t based on budget or amount of time/resources spent. It’s based on what the publisher believes people are willing to pay. I’m sure Sony has done their research on this and are comfortable with the $70 price tag. Plenty of people willing to pay the cost of admission to play a game of this caliber. Especially when you consider the timing of the release when most games people have been looking forward to haven’t been released yet or have been pushed back until ‘23.
It’s just greed man. Nothing new from anti-consumer Sony
I think when it drops on PC, it might have RT GI, which will make it look proper nice. This is what i hope for anyways. It wouldn't take much to implement it, apparently it can be switched on by the dev and can actually benefit the developement timeline by negating the need of manual light placements.
I enjoy and watch all the coverage DF does, but I find the more laid back and less structured discussions quite refreshing. I know DF Direct is mostly for that but even in the weekly episodes I find there's often more room for iteration. Plus I liked hearing both John and Oliver's observations and personal opinions on the different TLOU versions, and with DF often centering on the objective rather than the subjective, I find the occasional subjective coverage a welcome and relaxing change of pace.
I'm just excited to play this on PC when it releases there. I'm curious what sort of PC features they'll implement? I'm presuming DLSS & FSR.
Maybe Ray-tracing? I'd love to see some RT implemented, or at least unlocked FPS above 60. DLSS would probably be standard for sure
Really love what Naughty Dog did with this remaster/remake - despite not bringing up anything new in terms of content - but after purchasing this game two times no way I will drop $70 for this. Wish Rockstar could do something like this with GTA 4 and Red Dead Redemption but well... that's not happening...
Thanks for ruining gaming
@@gerrychaplin5773 you need some cheese with that Whine?
This is a good combo of guys. Good video.
Youre onto something there John, to release a complete TLOU collection, like they did with uncharted 4 and los legacy on ps5 at the beginning of this year. Having a native ps5 version of part 2 would've been awesome. I believe they are cooking something like this along the for me not that interesting battle royale multiplayer mode of last of us.
I’m not sure how disappointed you can be about a remake being very similar to the original. If you want a new version of the original with additional features, gameplay, story elements - then that will be a redesign in my opinion, and that’s a completely different thing.
See this wouldn’t be an issue if the price wasn’t $70, no real new content or gameplay mechanics makes spending $70 seem like a big leap, BUT, if you are patient like me, just wait for a sale.
I just really hope Naughty Dog moves on from this franchise after this release at least for a long while. They already very rarely release actual new titles now, so when they do make a new game, I wanna see something from them that isn't just yet another Uncharted or TLOU release.
That's because Naughty Dog has been dead for a while. Most of the people that made that company what it is left before TLOU2. And a lot of competent employees left during the development of that game. They are Naughty Dog in name alone. Much like Blizzard. I know Neil is the front man but he's also the main problem.
@@icetrey8662 Its so true too. When asked if they would ever go back to previous franchises like Jak and Daxter or something a bit less serious they were like "Nah. We ONLY do SERIOUS AND MATURE storylines now." So basically they only make garbage like Last of Us Part 2 now. Its so sad.
@@icetrey8662 Nothing but facts bruh ! I'm still curious as to what comes next as a new title from them for this gen..
The studio really needs to make a "pallet cleanser" of a game like Insomniac has been doing.
There's no need to go mega budget everytime. And with Naughty Dog right now it seems to be "mega budget, super serious, super realistic" which I know I'd get really bored of doing if I worked there.
They clearly have one of the best technical and artistic teams in gaming, but despite this, I really think they won't make another good game unless changes are made.
The TLOU TV show is only going to make it worse in my opinion.
Agreed
John can you please fix the background noise in your audio recording. It's been in the last 4 videos you have put out and it's very distracting listening with headphones. It starts happening around 21:48 in this video.
Really enjoyed the video! Bring more!
I'm loving it so far. Haven't played it since the PS3 version and it's amazing.
I'm definitely getting it for PC when that launches but that doesn't remove the bad taste in my mouth of having a remake of a game that's perfectly playable in the same console the remake was made for.
I mean after playing the remake and going back to the original is night an day almost unplayable after what I’ve seen. The original is a ps3 game at its core. I mean the fact that the Cut scenes are real time now and don’t fade to black sold me alone. Do I think it should be full price, maybe not but it will go on sale with in 6 months if part 2 ( a brand new product) went down in price with that time frame
You are right .. this current "Playstation 5 exclusive" release would run as well as TLOU 2 on PS4. On the flipside, the PC version hopefully will be a good port and for PC gamers who never played it before it should be a great experience.
I bought this and have played through it. I don't think this is a $90 + tax CAD remake. I feel like I paid too much, and feel a bit of regret for spending that much money on it.
Isn't there a mirror option or something that changes enemies placements everytime you die?
The Last of US isre best game of all.time for me. But I will wait 6 to 12 months for a sale. I'll pay $30 to $40 max.
No
When you mentioned Re1 remake, it's imo the gold standard of remakes. Improvements to absolutely everything, new mechanics, new areas, new enemies/bosses, stayed faithful to the original and expanded the story. My favourite still and game overall.
The resident evil 1 remake hit I think 5 years after the original on hardware with significant power over the original too. I bought my GameCube just for the resident evil remake (and all the great games that game after it)
Well have to see how the pc version holds up at 4k120 on the upcoming 40 series and if they add Ray tracing effects with directstorage
Isn't there separate sliding bar options to have way more enemies after you?
and how many health supplies appear, etc?
I only heard about it in ONE video so far from Skill Up, I believe.
It’s the exact same difficulty slider as Part 2. So if you’re familiar with that then that’s all it is. The setting I loved was “skip puzzle”. No more slowly dragging planks and pallets!
@@dookieshoes3585 I never messed with part 2's. wanted to playbit as intended, now that I have, I wish I had skipped 90% of the cut scenes.
contrast that with me re-watching every single cut scene of the orginal about 3 times after playing through all of it twice.
If you've never played it, sure. The price is steep but it's a masterpiece with a coat of paint that makes it cutting edge. If you have it's worth waiting for the price to drop. When it comes out on PC that's a different story altogether.
This is the type of you buy for $70, play through it, and then sell it on eBay for $50-$55. No risk.
@@shootermcgavin1208 I gurantee there’ll be a winter sale for this game. Probably in the 40 dollar range
Three days in a row with a single game, The Last of Us Part I, videos on Digital Foundry. This has to be a record😂
Ratchet and Clank?
I know it’s been such a long time since they did this with Spider Man for PC….a week ago.
@@SolidBoss7 they did a few Spider-Man Remastered videos for the PC but it wasn’t 3 days in a row. Can’t recall of any single game video they released three days in a row 🤔
When it reaches 19€ I'll play it. I mean, I got TloU remastered with my ps5, and have yet to finish Part II, so there is no hurry to sink 15h in the same damn game.
This is my favourite game, it is a masterpiece that deserves a remake for sure - to replay it again with the overhauled graphics, lighting and world will be amazing. I will wait for a lower price though, glad they took the effort to bring it up to speed with current games