Basketball Moves You Won't Believe Are Legal

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  • Coach Nick got on the court with Devin Williams ( / officialshiftteamhq ) for Episode 4 of Basketball Myth Busters. Special Guest Dorian Lee ( / bball101epd ) joins us to break down specific moves that not only are legal, but are guaranteed to drive people crazy.
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  • @johnschofield6263
    @johnschofield6263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1272

    Imagine all the arguments this guy must get into during pickup

    • @MauricioBarragan
      @MauricioBarragan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I stay getting into arguments.

    • @majorcalloway2234
      @majorcalloway2234 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol alot

    • @learcooks
      @learcooks 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      "Coach" Nick and the return of the mummy (Ronnie Nunn) are full of shit. Specially his older videos. The amendment to the rules that introduces the "gather step" was created THIS YEAR, you can check. official.nba.com/new-language-in-nba-rule-book-regarding-traveling-violations/
      Until now, the rulebook said you had 2 STEPS after finishing your dribble. Now with the gather steps, you can take 3. FIBA was faster than the NBA to acknowledge the new nature of the game and introduced the "gather" step in an amendment they made in 2017.
      th-cam.com/video/KZu5iE7yrPI/w-d-xo.html
      So what happened for years is that officials were no following the rulebook, probably under commands of the league commissioner, because the new rule allows more spectacular "selling" moves.
      Each time Mummy Nunn and "coach" Nick were talking about the travel rule in the past, they were basically talking bullshit. That's why he tries so hard now with all this new travel videos.
      Cheers!

    • @IamDevron
      @IamDevron 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      OjoRojo40 you’re missing the point bro. The whole thing about the gather step is that you’re not “finishing” your dribble. Hardens “travel” step back is legal because his dribble isn’t finished when he stops dribbling (I know that sounds stupid but if you watch the video it should make sense)

  • @sadboii8412
    @sadboii8412 4 ปีที่แล้ว +684

    Coach Nick: Basketball Moves You Won't Believe Are Legal
    Harden: *approves*

  • @squibblerqwq
    @squibblerqwq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +486

    This series is incredible. So many things that I thought were travels when I watch the NBA are being cleared up to me. Huge thank you to Coach Nick, Devin, And Dorian for this amazing episode, I'm learning so much

    • @metroboomin4981
      @metroboomin4981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      rip- squib good u were definitely an Instagram ref

    • @squibblerqwq
      @squibblerqwq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@metroboomin4981 I never commented on any instagram stuff, my friend

    • @squibblerqwq
      @squibblerqwq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Kryptonitee24 I do play casually, and watch games infrequently, so I guess so. I thought my knowledge of the rules was solid, but this series has showed me otherwise

    • @metroboomin4981
      @metroboomin4981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      rip- squib respect that doe

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Coach" Nick and the return of the mummy (Ronnie Nunn) are full of shit. Specially his older videos. The amendment to the rules that introduces the "gather step" was created THIS YEAR, you can check. official.nba.com/new-language-in-nba-rule-book-regarding-traveling-violations/
      Until now, the rulebook said you had 2 STEPS after finishing your dribble. Now with the gather steps, you can take 3. FIBA was faster than the NBA to acknowledge the new nature of the game and introduced the "gather" step in an amendment they made in 2017.
      th-cam.com/video/KZu5iE7yrPI/w-d-xo.html
      So what happened for years is that officials were no following the rulebook, probably under commands of the league commissioner, because the new rule allows more spectacular "selling" moves.
      Each time Mummy Nunn and "coach" Nick were talking about the travel rule in the past, they were basically talking bullshit. That's why he tries so hard now with all this new travel videos.
      Cheers!

  • @keepiticy
    @keepiticy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +388

    3 years later and im still begging for a "perfect PG/SG/SF/PF/C" where you tally up what makes each position, then name the best or top 5 in each category, then name who are the top 3 players in that position, ever. Think it would be nice.

    • @marcwilliams3692
      @marcwilliams3692 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You should probably ask bsolz thats more his brand of video

    • @keepiticy
      @keepiticy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Marc Williams true but I asked for this before many of these you tubers even existed. Maybe longer than 3 years ago back when BBB actually did videos like this

    • @VArsovski10
      @VArsovski10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      There isn't a perfect PG/SG/SF/PF/C, people prefer one or the other, once however there was a comment of type: "Pick your 100% win team"
      If anything I'd pick something like this: Curry, Nash, Jokic, Timmy, Shaq
      Why ?, why not ? = you have 2 extremely good 3pt shooters and you have 2 strong post-up players that are unstoppable in the paint to say the least, AND you got ANOTHER tall player crafty center to do the "trick" with lob passes and other things
      Maybe Giannis would be the better fit but kinda prefer it with Jokic, adding extra flare a bit :)

    • @ardinhajihil5011
      @ardinhajihil5011 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Will be picking curry mj durant garnet hakeem

    • @goldensperm7182
      @goldensperm7182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@VArsovski10 goodluck with your perimeter defense and your backcourt will be bullied a lot 😂 My lineup to counter yours will be Prime D.rose, Mj, Lebron, Kd, and Prime Yao Ming.

  • @sihyuanwu5492
    @sihyuanwu5492 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At the end of the day, it's all about the gather step and whether or not one considers it an extra step. Maybe it's just me but if I tried to pull that shit back when I was playing in high school or even now if I were to play a game of pickup on a local court, people would call me out for a travel even if they knew that it was legal in the NBA. At almost every level outside of the NBA, that extra step is acknowledged as illegal (as well as in foreign leagues and in FIBA/Olympic tournaments), in fact you could almost argue it's been imbedded within basketball culture itself. Of course when one is watching the NBA, one must acknowledge NBA rules and recognise that even if that step is deemed a travel at many other levels, it's perfect fine in the league.

    • @sihyuanwu5492
      @sihyuanwu5492 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just trynna explain why so many casual fans call "travel" on almost every NBA drive they see and why so many NBA fans appear so cynical about the rules of the NBA

    • @sihyuanwu5492
      @sihyuanwu5492 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Basically what I'm saying is, for reasons unclear to me, some researcher can look into I guess, the game has evolved into two different forms: one that recognised by the casual basketballer, and one that is recognised by the professionals. Each with their own individual set of rules. So when someone who plays bball casually watches the best league in the world, it doesn't translate well to them because they're accustomed to a different set of rules

    • @DarthBalsamic
      @DarthBalsamic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sihyuanwu5492 My brother played organized ball back in the day too, as well as in local parks, and he himself says he'd never get away with half the stuff they do now back then. He had an array of moves but he made sure they were fast, clean and tight to avoid any confusion.

    • @repesorsa1888
      @repesorsa1888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When i was younger and played basketball in europe and then started watching nba, it was confusing to me at first because i had not heard of this gather before. Im sure a lot of international fans like myself have a hard time with the traveling rules of the nba. On the other hand nba players seem to struggle going to international rules. I would hope to have the rules matched and bring the gather to international basketball aswell, so there would be less confusion going forward.

  • @BruH-cy8vt
    @BruH-cy8vt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    3:14 “Today we’re gonna talk a bit about a lot of things”

  • @burner1303
    @burner1303 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pro hop to slide step was one of my friend's go to moves growing up. He would always get into fights about it 😂

    • @stephencurry6101
      @stephencurry6101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah the key is its a fake pro hop

  • @sherlock4791
    @sherlock4791 4 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    im the person who cant understand when people shout travel most of the times

    • @zureai
      @zureai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Just Another Viewer it’s cause it’s moving in real time, and whenever someone’s sees awkward movement they just shout travel lmfao

    • @therealjmc9353
      @therealjmc9353 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In pickup its easier than playing defense 🤷‍♂️

    • @skip6132
      @skip6132 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @Lbyt21
      @Lbyt21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not everyone is a student of the game and willing to study it unfortunately

  • @makis7383
    @makis7383 4 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    Trae Young will be an All Star this season

  • @jaysi8057
    @jaysi8057 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    But to us casual basketball player that does this. Everyone will go against us and calling us out. So I'm like fk it, I don't want to explain the whole rule book everytime I play pick up

    • @Jayden-ss2ip
      @Jayden-ss2ip 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I believe this, and I play ball seriously, but I’m too scared too try it then get called for a travel, bc I can prove it’s not a travel but they can’t change the call

    • @shuyinkim2514
      @shuyinkim2514 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ikr

    • @T0YCHEST
      @T0YCHEST 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah not where i live everyone knows what a gather step is

    • @rawinrith5903
      @rawinrith5903 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I ain't gon waste my time explaining rules to a pick up game 😂😂

    • @trple2
      @trple2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jayden-ss2ip This is basically the story of life.

  • @jwcivic
    @jwcivic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great series! Going back to Devin's comment about learning at the Ymca, I think it could also be that when kids are learning the game, its too difficult to understand these concepts so its easier/better(?) to teach them the basics of the lay up first. But at the same time, that is what is rooted in their brains and causes their misconceptions.

    • @rockie8254
      @rockie8254 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are civilised

  • @asianlim3000
    @asianlim3000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The problem occurs when the player times his footwork well with an early dribble combined with a later gather so where its confusing in real time where the gather step starts. Also, some players take more than 1 gather steps.

    • @tamicha1
      @tamicha1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Curry used to have a step back where he'd take two small gather steps before the 1-2

    • @asianlim3000
      @asianlim3000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      tamicha1 yea thats the problem. The basketball community and even the NBA refs don’t have consensus on when to count the gather step because its a new technique

    • @Ryan-yu5kt
      @Ryan-yu5kt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@asianlim3000 The gather step is whatever foot is on the ground when the ball is gathered.

    • @xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx
      @xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ryan-yu5kt yeah, definitely not a new technique, just newly refined

    • @SaynTrades
      @SaynTrades 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Players don’t take more than one gather step they delay it as long as possible

  • @aerialgodchild5586
    @aerialgodchild5586 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    5:59 who just got murdered? 😅😅

    • @lethalfang
      @lethalfang 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Someone who insisted that he didn't travel.

    • @Tn20th
      @Tn20th 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😵🙏🏾

  • @Blank100k
    @Blank100k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    wtf bro i swear if i was in a pick up game and did this everyone would be yelling at me

    • @rawinrith5903
      @rawinrith5903 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah i could be showing them the video and yet they still bad mouthing 😂😂

  • @ZoMichael-a
    @ZoMichael-a 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yeah, exactly, people think a pivot foot is always to be pivoted, means never leave the ground and use it to jump out/off.
    Another issue I see commonly mistaken in my community is the gathering and then pivotting, mainly the gathering part like when using both hands or only one hand to go for layup after a running start.

  • @stephencheney9811
    @stephencheney9811 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    5:03 He can hear us shaking our heads.

  • @LeBeautiful
    @LeBeautiful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Wait, so you’re telling me LEBRON’s continental step and Hardens two stepback not a travel???

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  4 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      I am telling you that, LeBeautiful

    • @leonardopessanha5128
      @leonardopessanha5128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      He's trying to tell you that for 2 years

    • @LommeMann1
      @LommeMann1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Leonardo Pessanha every time i see people complaining about «travels» i just want to send them to this channel

    • @eciohc75
      @eciohc75 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@LommeMann1 80% of NBA fans take everything in from memes. They don't make conclusion from critical thinking and observation. All we can do is just ignoring them.

    • @Rowsic
      @Rowsic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So would the Lebron “travel” in this video be considered a travel? th-cam.com/video/vuS57BE5D6c/w-d-xo.html

  • @heavytransit
    @heavytransit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    You dont know how many times ive been called for traveling when my dribble was still live. Not even refs know the rules of gathering.

    • @lamda_scoringmachine7082
      @lamda_scoringmachine7082 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Drop3dlvl3 because the never was good at playing or had elite feet skills they just go off he say she says

    • @xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx
      @xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      carrying is different from traveling, you can't carry the ball mid dribble my dude. If your dribble was still live and you never gathered and you're getting called for it, that means your hand is turning under the ball and that's illegal...either that or the refs are just making blind calls. If you're talking about gathering then doing something then sure, but that't not what it seems like from your comment

    • @y0ungship118
      @y0ungship118 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx but if he was carrying the ball the refs would call a carry not a travel

    • @bepe4279
      @bepe4279 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I relate. They just can’t handle your footwork bro 👌👌👌

    • @CW-hq2qr
      @CW-hq2qr 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m guessing you just suck, but yeah man it’s annoying as hell for us good players

  • @rtoujr
    @rtoujr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing explanation and demos. Also a great way for novices to understand how to execute moves and finishes better. Thx

  • @Diggy2Dope
    @Diggy2Dope 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    @13:42
    Man for the last 3 years iv’e been trying to find out why this crossover was legal, i get it now.

  • @scatteredtreasures3640
    @scatteredtreasures3640 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great stuff Coach Nick! The NCAA and Federation are having trouble coming around much like they were against the 3 point arc at one time. The term "gather" is so essential in basketball.
    For now, Federation basketball refuses to use the term. Instead they use the term, "when the dribble ends." Point of education: after the GATHER the dribble has come to an END. Two different ways of saying the same thing. In D1 and high school basketball we don't see quite as much creativity; however, guys in the NBA work diligently to create new ways to enhance the game.
    James Harden on occasion gets away with an extra step; however, the majority of his step-backs are legal. As long as the dribble is still "alive" a ball handler can take as many steps as he wishes. In high school the training is not as thorough and officials many times mistake when the ball comes to rest- ended- is gathered.
    Today's game is about athleticism, timing, precision and skill. The future of basketball is here, whether the "old school" guys and gals like it or not! As a guy that once officiated at all 3 levels, it's refreshing to see us really taking time to really comprehend our game.

  • @francesco5254
    @francesco5254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here in Europe it's straight and simple: after balling, count two steps.
    In my opinion, this american rule is really difficult to apply correctly every time. I played for 5 years in a professional italian team and never got to a point where somebody could say "well, it may be travel but it depends on the referee". Allowing the so called "step zero" makes it hard to tell if the fraction of a second in which the player took the ball with two hands came before or after the step.

  • @trple2
    @trple2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is good. I´d like him try to explain what is or isn´t a foul though lol

    • @trple2
      @trple2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Clifford your big red God basketball is a totally fake endeavor as is football. no one knows what the penalties are yet they determine the outcome.

  • @PennyHDTV
    @PennyHDTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dorian broke it down without being bias to his point. You can tell he studied a lot and not just making quick vids for views. This is Advancing the game into the future!

  • @FodderMoosie
    @FodderMoosie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Here before the resolution could even get here.

  • @dknightwon
    @dknightwon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is perfect. This would've saved me from do many arguments in the park back in the day! Lol

  • @_camy_
    @_camy_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I love this channel so damn much!
    Coach i never commented on your channel before but I’m a long time subscriber....if you’re reading this, can you make a hour video on breaking down different freelances and basketball terminology and play calling for various teams to increase my basketball IQ more?

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thanks, Cameron! And that’s a good idea! Stay tuned for lots more coming up 👍🏀💪

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Coach" Nick and the return of the mummy (Ronnie Nunn) are full of shit. Specially his older videos. The amendment to the rules that introduces the "gather step" was created THIS YEAR, you can check. official.nba.com/new-language-in-nba-rule-book-regarding-traveling-violations/
      Until now, the rulebook said you had 2 STEPS after finishing your dribble. Now with the gather steps, you can take 3. FIBA was faster than the NBA to acknowledge the new nature of the game and introduced the "gather" step in an amendment they made in 2017.
      th-cam.com/video/KZu5iE7yrPI/w-d-xo.html
      So what happened for years is that officials were no following the rulebook, probably under commands of the league commissioner, because the new rule allows more spectacular "selling" moves.
      Each time Mummy Nunn and "coach" Nick were talking about the travel rule in the past, they were basically talking bullshit. That's why he tries so hard now with all this new travel videos.
      Cheers!

    • @burner1303
      @burner1303 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OjoRojo40 The 2016 version of the NBA rule book, like all NBA rule books I've read it clarifies that the first step of the 2 non-travel steps players have begins "after gaining control of the ball." Any movement after an intended final dribble but before this official first step has commonly been referred to as a gather step for as long as I can recall. The NBA's new rule, as the link you provided states, "formally defines" what a gather step is. But informally it's been a part of basketball for a long time.
      Link to the 2016 rule book: ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/11/2016-2017-Rule-Book.pdf

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@burner1303 Then why amend the text if it was so clear?

    • @burner1303
      @burner1303 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OjoRojo40 To make the rule explicit I'd assume. Because ignorant fans & media complain about traveling when they don't understand the traveling rules. Read the old traveling rules for yourself, the gather step has been an implied rule forever - that's why guys have done it forever.

  • @AkoSiFrance
    @AkoSiFrance 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The common misconception is "When you lift the Pivot foot, it's a travel"

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes, it's when you lift your pivot foot and then take it back to the floor without shooting or passing.

    • @BluesGetOrigin
      @BluesGetOrigin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      OjoRojo40 didn’t know this. Thanks for the heads my guy 👌🏾

  • @simeonyohannes8102
    @simeonyohannes8102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    The reason why is cause Tre was dragging his other foot

    • @xingli1337
      @xingli1337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah looked obvious on the second angle.

    • @xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx
      @xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      dragged what foot?? if he has the gather, then the first step becomes his pivot foot, then he takes his second step, that original pivot foot then moves and before he puts it back down he jumps off the second foot and the ball is out of his hand. It doesn't matter if he doesn't necessarily pick his pivot foot off of the ground entirely it's more that he lost the technical pivot and the foot is in motion, he just can't jump off of the second and land with the ball in his hands or put his pivot foot back down before he jumps...idk how or where dragging his foot makes it a travel in this situation...
      I just rewatched this in slow motion to make sure I'm not crazy and now you seem even more dumb, the foot he dragged was the gather foot, which is inconsequential given the fact that he's stepping into his pivot foot as it happens. The right foot is the pivot foot, so the left foot can do whatever the fuck it wants before and after that pivot foot is established

    • @DrSamGalactic
      @DrSamGalactic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx I think he drags his right foot on the 2nd step.

    • @kojiyama-p3f
      @kojiyama-p3f 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DrSamGalactic The point he's making is that when he's actually moving, he has his hand on the side of the ball. He's still gathering until the very end when he puts both hands on the ball. Prior to that, he could legally still dribble/put the ball down. That means his right foot at the end is his pivot, and none of the other stuff before mattered even though it seemed like it was after his last dribble. He was still technically dribbling until the point where he wasn't allowed to dribble any more (grabbing the ball with both hands.)

    • @simeonyohannes8102
      @simeonyohannes8102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Super Mega Foxy Awesome Hot u sound dumb rule book says you can’t put your foot on floor in any way so dragging counts when he gathers he drags his foot twice after so this is a travel. 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @pilgrim5355
    @pilgrim5355 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting. Imma pull out these moves at the park and have everyone trippin lmao. Then imma pull out this video on my phone and show em lmao

  • @HandballNinja
    @HandballNinja 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love Dorian's recommendation to demonstrate to the ref before the game if a borderline travel, but legal, move is being executed correctly.

  • @jliu524
    @jliu524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I got called for some of these when I played high school ball 10 years ago and coach benched me. I still get salty when I think about it.

    • @ericvu9992
      @ericvu9992 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      jliu524 I feel you

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was right, before the introduction of the amendment you were traveling.

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @JJ Williams Of course not ALL of them.
      A euro step is like any other layup, there are no special rules that apply to it.

  • @theheebs100
    @theheebs100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this explanation probably holds up in the nba, but in nearly all of these examples he ends the dribble before he thinks. he says its live still, but if he were to put that down its a carry. plus in live action hes taking an extra step that hes not explaining

  • @liamobrien2414
    @liamobrien2414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    why I would think traes lay up is a travel. (where i play fiba rules apply)
    for it to count as a gather step on a righty lay up, you'd have to dribble the ball the exact moment your left leg hits the ground, then you can gather the ball, right, left boom.
    at least that's what it's like here in germany.
    that's why i can't understand how it's not a travel when young gathers the ball and then continues to take 3 damn steps lol

  • @kohgoomah0105
    @kohgoomah0105 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Trae young’s move was clearly clean in real time and condonable in slow motion.
    Spin step back is legit.
    The reason why ppl think he travelled on 8:31 is because he leaps and leaves his pivot after the jump stop; he does not pivot after the jump stop. You can see his pivot foot leave the ground if you have the basketball eye.
    Can you go over the “fake pro hop” @ 8:00 with an NBA referee? I heard in the rule book, you can not take off and land on the same foot for a gather.
    13.25 I teach how to do that move legally, hop step from a crossover. Not so legal here.

    • @TheDudeFromKalispell
      @TheDudeFromKalispell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup, you are correct. The fake pro hop is a travel in the NBA and since last year or two years ago in FIBA as well. In FIBA it used to be legal and there was a very common move called the Yugo, but it was made illegal. You can't, in ending your dribble, jump off one foot and land on the same foot.

    • @JAREMART
      @JAREMART 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The fake pro hop is legal, all that matters is when you gather the ball

  • @lilj1702
    @lilj1702 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Coach Nick with the fresh kicks. I see you

  • @BOSZAY
    @BOSZAY 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I saw stephon marbury take one dribble from the three point line. When I did it they called travel

    • @hehey8596
      @hehey8596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Clifford your big red God that aint even hard tho

    • @Arirezz
      @Arirezz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Clifford your big red God yeah that ain't hard.. remember almost everyone is at least 6'3 most are above 6'5.. that's like a step and a half

  • @D3rawasf
    @D3rawasf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I need the NBA commissioner Adam Silver to watch this asap

    • @GottiGzz24
      @GottiGzz24 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't we all??😂

  • @fanan29
    @fanan29 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing content! The controversy is on! And we all need enlightment. Thanks for the knowledge guys!!

  • @carebkim8558
    @carebkim8558 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dam coach nicks shoe game is on point

  • @Kikesanchoooo
    @Kikesanchoooo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    coach nick got the bussdown breds

  • @shuyinkim2514
    @shuyinkim2514 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and info! Thanks to all of you, i learn something important!

  • @johngriller4997
    @johngriller4997 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Coach, you gotta bring that tall dude to your future travel videos; his explanations are so clean 🧼 💪

  • @MauricioBarragan
    @MauricioBarragan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the title of the video should be "how to square up with the opposite team" because of all the arguments you're going to get into and they won't wanna watch the vid lol

  • @MrJ1S
    @MrJ1S 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    that spin move into the up and under is wild. its insane that its legal cuz its 2 separate moves
    you spin and take 2 steps just to get set for the up and under... in which u take ANOTHER 2 steps

  • @gpaine
    @gpaine 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content made better by the great use of film making. Using the entire conversation as essentially one take gave the feel of a real-to-life back and forth. It was engaging and incredibly informational. Thank you!

  • @wl7291
    @wl7291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    BBALLBREAKDOWN X INTHELAB. I love it.

  • @JaQay
    @JaQay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I just think their explanation and what happens in live conditions are two different things. Often the moves/footwork/control of the ball are not executed nearly as cleanly and precise as they show it. I'd just rather them say this is the IDEA and the refs should allow more leeway for mistakes (for the sake of the flow of the game) instead of telling me how its all good.

    • @JaQay
      @JaQay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ryan sami -- Your opinion, but you clearly didnt read my comment closely. So, I wont argue with you, but feel free to re-read my comment and tell me why your comment is a silly response to what I said.

  • @Philosophisticated
    @Philosophisticated 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Double dribble and palming are easy and quick to see when it happens on the amateur level, it's one of the the rules that is simple and straight forward to get, traveling is something you have to study (and like you guys said, most people do not read the rules. The movements (steps, gathering) surrounding possible traveling happen at faster speed and are also more subtle in nature.
    I believe the reason why there is so much confusion is that people just know the simple definitions of the traveling rule i.e. :
    1. "more than 2 steps" = travel,
    2. "going up with two hands and coming back down with the ball" = travel .(so they look at the jump stop/hop as a travel)
    3. "taking more than one step while stationary (lifting your pivot)" = travel
    So when things happen at a slower pace then people apply the "taking more than one step while stationary" approach, just look at foot movement and most importantly people just simply count any foot movement as a 'step' so our eyes are seeing 3 steps and then we go back to assumption #1 which is "anything more than 2 steps" = travel.
    Also, people in the 80s and 90s didn't grow up seeing any of these moves and they taught their sons, daughters, nieces and nephews what they saw and knew from their own playing experience and what they assumed about the traveling rule then.

  • @isaacakhigbe5677
    @isaacakhigbe5677 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Taurean: “We’re gonna talk a little bit...”
    Me: Ok
    Taurean: “...about a lot of things”
    Me: **Visible Confusion**

  • @40441gogo
    @40441gogo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is one of the best ruling videos you have released so far!!

  • @KontrolledSubstance
    @KontrolledSubstance 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got called for travel for that back in college in 04 and told the ref I should put the stripes on b/c he clearly didn't know the rules. I obviously got a tech! I'm glad the rules are being broken down. This will make the game more dynamic

  • @Yesnoyesnouhhhhh
    @Yesnoyesnouhhhhh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please please do the Lavine play from last night where he took one dribble from 70 feet and dunked it. EVERYONE on social media is calling it a blatant travel and I would like to see what you think of it

    • @lifeofwaley
      @lifeofwaley 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not a travel. Don't mind them Twitter trolls.

    • @Ryan-yu5kt
      @Ryan-yu5kt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The lead up to the dunk wasnt a travel, but the steal mightve been.
      Ive went over it in slow mo. It looks like he gathers the ball after tipping the steal and takes 2 steps before releasing the ball into a dribble. Youre only allowed 1

  • @iamteamyou
    @iamteamyou 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG!!!!!!! Yo this is CRAZY!!!!!!
    😂😂😂😂
    I grew up playing in the same gym Dorian played and trained every day.
    I use to think he was bullshett’n with some of his arguments on moves. Like the Skip Bayless of pickup basketball.
    But now I see he believed all that Shitt he was doing.
    No lie Dorian could Hoop though.
    The thing about his moves. They were quick asHell!!!!
    God Bless Dorian still doing it!!!!

  • @UmojaTullBarbarian
    @UmojaTullBarbarian 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m glad you mentioned that giant jump stop/pro hop, because I used to do that on the playground thinking I was slick and everybody was wildin out.

  • @AJ-di4df
    @AJ-di4df 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This series is straight gold

    • @vdoggydogg3922
      @vdoggydogg3922 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Straight trash..gather step is bullshit

  • @_zkk_1175
    @_zkk_1175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1. I would be okay with refs not calling violations that they aren't sure about. In this case, the ref made the call just because it "looked like". It's their mentality that gets me.
    2. The "spin step back" looks like it'll destroy your own Achilles tendon, better not do it too often.

  • @DellCrazy411
    @DellCrazy411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    long jump stars finally get a chance to shine in basketball if you take 'pro hop' into context. Giannis would dominate the paint once he can do standing 'pro hop' about 5 feet of the rim and just posterize anyone under 6'9

  • @ChocolateStallion562
    @ChocolateStallion562 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Gonna share this with my football and baseball friends that complain whenever we watch basketball.

  • @jdapaul1351
    @jdapaul1351 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:07 Coach you could've said, "I could hear them shaking their heads." xD

  • @karu6111
    @karu6111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the reason people argue wrongly is that they don't know the rule itself, some fans never heard or understood the term "gather step" before, I know because I was one of them, not until I had a team sport basketball class in college that I got super interested in watching the NBA and then actually reading the rules. All I know before that is "the handler can't take 3 steps after a dribble," which is suuuperrr vague and confusing and too general, however, that "rule" works for people who didn't play the game in the first place.
    I think it's an issue of misinformation in a general sense, rather than "when is the gather and when is the step" kinda question, which I know is only a concern when people who knew the rules argue about it, which is the point of the video.
    Almost all "travel" arguments in the youtube comments can be dispelled by the "gather step." As far as I know.

  • @henriquejefferson6555
    @henriquejefferson6555 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    He said they not the police 👮‍♀️ I’m weak lol 😂

  • @RydATube
    @RydATube 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Series. There are many more new moves to discover.

  • @caldwell2253
    @caldwell2253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Refs are not the police, you can go them"
    Lol one of the best things stated in this video

  • @kuramakasai
    @kuramakasai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    14:55 just pinning this so when i do it irl and they call travel i show this

  • @VanSanProductions
    @VanSanProductions 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video. there are lots of "legal" looking moves but when you change the direction or the way it looks even though you're doing the same amount of steps people are suddenly calling travel.

  • @jamesbailey6255
    @jamesbailey6255 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In any game of basketball, you are allowed two steps before travel is called. When a player has taken more than two steps without the ball being dribbled, a travelling violation is called. Travel can also be called via carrying or an unestablished pivot foot. If the pivot foot of a player changes or moves,...

  • @Nerfgunninja
    @Nerfgunninja 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for fighting the good fight coach

  • @tomasz-rozanski
    @tomasz-rozanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Filming Crew: Hey Coach, maybe we should have less cameras, and more microphones?
    Coach Nick: Nah, it's gonna be fine...

  • @jeppesloth9910
    @jeppesloth9910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I also think the issue people including myself have or have had is that in literally every league except the NBA Euro and College, all of these moves would be called a travel instantly by any ref out there. Ive played ball since I was 11 and if I've been called for a travel so many times on similar moves that makes it so much harder to look at these moves and realise that they aren't travels. .000001% go to the NBA and experience these rules being enforced the way they should be, when in reality the rest of the world will never play anywhere where these moves will be considered legal in practice

  • @spandsbab
    @spandsbab 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Again, really appreciate coach Nick taking the time and patience explaining this to the masses haha

  • @NoName-sv5yl
    @NoName-sv5yl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im not sure if this is right or not, but when he gathers the ball the left foot seems to plant on the ground simultaneously. This can bring us back to the move James Harden pulled which was covered on this channel a few weeks ago where he also gathers the ball and plants his foot simultaneously which allowed him to take 2 more steps afterwards.

  • @lroli55
    @lroli55 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @CoachNick I love this series and it clarifies few misconceptions i had on travel and gathering step, so a big thank. I will reiterate my suggestion though, will it be possible to do the analogy with FIBA rules and explain the differences if any. Thanks

  • @Darkblob32
    @Darkblob32 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think on the first spin move, a lot of where people might be getting confused is whether the foot being spun on becomes a pivot foot

  • @cliffwoodbury5319
    @cliffwoodbury5319 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Thoughts - the pattern of dribbles to footwork is one of the best ways to fake out people and to create a variety of unique moves. This deals with the intensity of dribbling speed, intensity, and height (dealing with the ball) and with body direction and steps lengths (dealing with the body) - As far as the rules go; you put me on game with the initial dialogue. i didn't know that was the rules on what is a travel. There are so many small variations of finish moves (that are legal) that we haven't seen yet.

  • @indianathainon
    @indianathainon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    By far the greatest collab since the NBA AND ABA

  • @alvinfigueroa3144
    @alvinfigueroa3144 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just saw ESPN talking about Clint Capela’s “egregious travel”. Thanks for making these videos because I immediately said, “That’s legal. It’s close but I would 100% call that legal if I were a ref.”

  • @dave.thedev
    @dave.thedev 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Coach Nick, explain the staggered landing on a jump stop when the ball is gathered late after the hop. Also pivoting after a jump stop. Shot Science did a short one a long time ago, but we gotta get these ones clarified pronto.

  • @theartofcompetition5965
    @theartofcompetition5965 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    for about 6 years ive wondered if you had to jump off two feet or one foot after a pivot. thanks coach

  • @nickthorpe7567
    @nickthorpe7567 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely firing off the videos right now I love it

  • @chocymachado
    @chocymachado 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great vid, dorian lee's understanding of timing the gather is spot on. not sure about his move at 15.10 because of many steps while the ball is connected to his hand. the rule says you can take as many steps in between dribbles "while the ball is not in your hand" i wouldnt argue if it was called a travel. any thoughts coach nick? i'll have to look into this one.

  • @mrcr45
    @mrcr45 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the game has evolved the establishments havent or refuse too.it was the same way when the disallowed dunking @1 time.its all about CONTROL!

  • @ameroddinmamangconi467
    @ameroddinmamangconi467 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Half step and a euro step is cool

  • @bballcoachallen
    @bballcoachallen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your welcome for the views lol I have been sending everyone who complains about me traveling in my videos to your video

  • @tommygraham3514
    @tommygraham3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    On the pro hop as long as he terminates the dribble after he jumps then he can establish a pivot foot, if he does it before then he cant pivot

  • @nodsefoy
    @nodsefoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Question coach.
    Does this apply with FIBA rules or just NBA?

    • @haroldz123
      @haroldz123 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eru FIBA changed their travel recently, mimicking NBA rules

    • @nodsefoy
      @nodsefoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@haroldz123 okay great

  • @anthonynorman7545
    @anthonynorman7545 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful series and that ref tip is top-notch

  • @ltdouglas78
    @ltdouglas78 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Their definition of the gathering needs to include the hand pinning the ball to the wrist. Also the position of the hand on the ball is extremely important the top of the ball needs to be clarified more

  • @timlance2753
    @timlance2753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    James Harden's step-back will never not be a travel in my book.

  • @jonathanbautista9644
    @jonathanbautista9644 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love how they explain with the spin because i was doing that move since in the 90s and they asked me to correct that move. they called it travel.

  • @richieleong
    @richieleong 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi coach.. how about a 1 dribble pull up to the right with a left pivot foot..when is it a travel and when is it legal?
    Some say you can't lift your pivot before ball touches ground?

  • @Dergeick
    @Dergeick 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving the collabs Coach!

  • @deekay1306
    @deekay1306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So if I use centrifugal force and spin at Mach 4, I can run to the basket without dribbling.

  • @ssj_primal
    @ssj_primal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:47 he didn’t even establish any pivot foot, so he can step through with any foot if he wants too.

  • @nolanhartman9046
    @nolanhartman9046 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So when he does his spin move into the step back he talks about keeping the dribble live. He says if he puts his hand under the ball on the gather then his dribble isn’t live and can’t step back. On his roll crossover he puts his hand under the ball clearly. Doesn’t that make it a travel?

    • @darkorlightz
      @darkorlightz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the hand isn't under the ball because if it was, then the ball wouldn't be spinning. It is literally impossible for the ball to keep spinning if your hand is actually directly under it. His hand was on the side which means the dribble hasn't ended, he can still legally take another dribble. the dribble ends when it stops spinning and that's when he goes into his 1-2. get it now?

  • @jtmosthated6562
    @jtmosthated6562 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo this crazy because I used to do these moves and get called on now I gotta a argument for em yeahhhh

  • @papacinoooo
    @papacinoooo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for this and now, imma start a court case with my friends.

  • @kitarajaba9154
    @kitarajaba9154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    listening how angry those two guys sound while they talk about the rules they must have had the biggest arguments in streetball history lol

  • @flakjacket9548
    @flakjacket9548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The first one is a travel based on what you said, he took 3 and a half steps, once he passes the ball to his left that’s his 0 step then when his left hand and right both touch the ball at the same time his first step was with his left so he had to take an extra step in order to finish with his right

    • @KOOKUP
      @KOOKUP 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No

    • @flakjacket9548
      @flakjacket9548 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kyrie for MVP this year

  • @chrisstevens3801
    @chrisstevens3801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When Coach Nick turns into a barn owl 11:33