DIFFICULTY IN VIDEO GAMES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- Video game difficulty is an important aspect of the gaming experience, so let's discuss it!
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What’s a game that you consider TOO HARD or TOO EASY?
My name is mayo it’s way to hard I got carpel tunnel please I’m going to die
@@Justmetvytthat’s my favourite game
can you do deep rock galactic for noobs
Persona 5 is way to easy even in the highest difficulty, if you have the slightest idea of what you are doing, which is kinda sad. Unless you go out of your way to not get too strong every boss can be defeated really easily
crab champions
Moral of the story: If your game is too hard, yell at a Michelin chef
my game is cold
Saw this comment before watching the video and now I’m very confused
Also, there always have been difficult video games out there, even before Demon's Souls. LOL
@@sirmoony5633 not only was that mention but demon's souls ??
@@celebisme2114 Yup! It came out in 2009, silly! LOL
The spicy food analogy was actually really good and is the perfect way to describe game difficulty
The Kirby star Ally’s boss gauntlets has the difficulty represented by Kirby adding hot sauce to the meal
I like terraria's difficulty concept, where a harder difficulty gives more rewards, it makes it so that even after beating the game on easy mode, hard mode still feels like a new experience, along side that there are different classes (range, melee, summoner, mage), some being harder than others which also allows for a new experience every time
I loved how after you defeated a hard boss and felt 10 times more powerful with the items it gave you, you were opened the area towards an even bigger challenge. For example you defeated skeletron and now the dungeon has opened. You defeated the wall of flesh and the whole world has changed in difficulty becoming harder than before.
except master mode breaks it for some reason??
eternity mode is better ngl
Can't wait for the 1.4.5 update because i haven't played terraria in over a year
I’d say one argument I see with games like Dark Souls and similar games is if you can beat one you can beat all of them which is not entirely the case. I remember beating Dark Souls 1 and then my friend gifted me Elden Ring and I thought it was gonna be a cake walk but the game showed me that definitely wasn’t the case. That’s what I love about those games there’s always something new to learn with each souls like game. Lies of P looks great but i know it’s gonna give me a run for my money when it finally releases!!
Yep. I played Elden Ring before I started playing Dark Souls and I got my ass kicked so much. I'm happy to say that Manus & Artorias are my favourite fights
I think what they mean by "if you beat one, you can beat them all" is that if you have the determination and tenacity to complete one, you'll likely be able to pass any of them, given enough time.
Another certified hood classic from Macro
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Bro didn't even finish the video
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That shit is so cringe
macro after playing 2 seconds of a video game (he is now an expert)
I think it's important to say that getting over it does save progress, not in a save point way, but near the beginning Bennet even says that you can leave the game and come back and your progress will be saved, I feel like that's an important sentiment of the game
i like fromsoft games because they are a challenge for me and when i beat a boss i get satisfaction (just completed sekiro )
When I played my first COD campaign (2019) I did it on max difficulty and was so happy every time I beat a stage.
Then I lost my save on the final level some how…
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I remember speed running through the COD Modern Warfare series in veteran difficulty. It took so much time to discover the best movements and tactics and shortcuts in every stage. It was annoying but at the same time I enjoyed all of it. Beating my personal time records was the best thing
Playing only up is a nightmare to play but so fun to watch
First time i played Marvel's Spider-Man, i played with Friendly difficulty (which is the equivalent of easy) and once i finished the game couple times and knowing how to beat the enemies efficiently, i switched to Ultimate difficulty
Most games i play on Easy, because i wanna enjoy the game for the fun of it. So i don't understand the "hate" whenever someone says they play on Super Easy difficulty. I always told them "as long as u enjoy the game, its cool"
Some games might not have a difficulty selection but add items or powers that might make the game easier for players and then everyone decides if they want to make their experience easier or challenge themselves while still playing the way the developers internet to. Elden Ring had spirit ashes which a lot of people complained made the game too easy so they just didn’t use them at all but some players had to use them to bring the skill ceiling down and enjoy the game
Holy shit the best paced video ever. I felt like I watch a minute long video, everything was so well paced. Shout-out Macro!
Bro woke up and decided to speak wisdom
You know its gonna be a good day when Marco uploads
1:11 OH that majestic sound brings joy to this old soul
Another banger vid macro love to see it
As a disabled person who struggles to play video games and also has stomach problems that prevents me from being able to eat spicy foods, I LOVE that ending analogy, comparing difficulty to spice levels and game devs to chefs. If I see something on the menu that advertises how spicy it is, I'm just not going to order it- it wasn't made for me and I know I'd only be punishing myself for trying it. They didn't make it for people like me, they made it for the people willing to try it and that's the chef's/dev's prerogative. That's chill, it's a little sad sometimes but not everything is made for everyone. But when they do come with customization abilities (replacement ingredients, allergy warnings, mild options), I'm ecstatic! Accessibility options that devs implement intentionally make me feel like they want me to able to play and enjoy their games. Of course I think more games could benefit from optional accessibility features (like even just from a business point of view, disabled people are a whole extra demographic with money they'd be willing to spend lol, why wouldn't you add them?), but if not, then whatever, I have better things to do with my time and much more pressing things to be angry about.
tldr: I'm a disabled noob so adjustable difficulty is a treat, but I think I'd be the idiot at this point if I bought a Dark Souls game and got angry at it for being difficult
when you get to used to the getting over it controls, its pretty fun actually
Games like Getting over it, jump king and going up seem like they could honestly be the next big game genre as there very entertaining to both play and watch
I didn’t know ultra kill had a difficulty slider on specific levels till now, I tried over 50 times on the Gabriel fight
Love your videos 🎉🎉
that analogy is perfect.
I wanna give a special mention to what I would consider the hardest difficulties I've ever attempted (I am sure there are more difficult challenges, but I haven't tried them)
Nightmare Difficulty in Doom 2016, Realistic Difficulty in Call of Duty Black Ops 3 (not to be confused the Realism Difficulty in games like MW19), and LASO Difficulty in Halo 2. Unlike FromSoftware Games or Cuphead or genuinely challenging games, these difficulty settings were very clearly not intended by the developer and probably had very minimal play testing. If you have completed any of these games with such settings, you truly are one of the legends and have a ridiculous amount of patience, hats off to you.
I love your documents,your videos keep me watch all the video
I feel like a game should have a decent tutorial into an extremely challenging boss into a ride with hard and easy parts climaxing into the hardest boss in the game, then a short drop into a fantastic finish.
Basically dark souls 3
Não sei se tem muitos brasileiros nesse video, mas esse video do Macro me lembrou um video de um tempo atrás de um cara que eu gosto de assistir. Não sei se ele viu o video e entendeu de alguma forma ou foi só conhecidencia
Mas enfim pra quem se interessa tem um video do Gemaplys/Vito chamado "o dark souls das reviews de jogos" recomendo muito e no começo do video ele aborda o mesmo assunto.
One of the hardest games i’ve ever played is Ghostrunner. That game is hard because one shot and you’re dead. But once you get good at it then it becomes fairly easy
I would love it if Macro played this game
I remember when I was younger playing legendary Halo3 on the 360 and Jesus I remember how brutal those nades were lol
Hey Macro. I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and I had a great idea for a game you should do “for noobs”. The game is Omega Strikers. It’s a 3v3 anime air hockey game where you attempt to fight the other team and score to try to win. There are many characters including an introverted witch, a genji wannabe, a little girl with rockets and nukes (also voiced by the same person that voices Bangalore), and even a big hamster. But the most important thing I like, is that the team running it genuinely cares about their community and pushes out updates and balance patches around every 2 weeks, the most being 3 weeks, and the monetization isn’t through the roof as you can get highly valuable skins from around $9-$13. Let me know if you play it and tell me what you think! Btw, the game is also available on every platform with cross play and cross progression. ❤
This is why i like Destiny 2. Because there are multiple difficulties . But it feels so good when you get your loot from that hard activity
Having difficulty options is always nice. I remember trying a game like Fire Emblem that I was pretty bad on, but had a fun time at the easiest difficulity, I generally suck at strategy games, now when I play a Fire Emblem game I can play it on the hardest and have fun, but would probably never try it if it didn't have a normal/easy mode.
I love you for the ultrakill section
Please make a whole video on ultrakill
Personally my favorite challenge game is cup head. It’s challenging as hell but beating a boss gives soooo much satisfaction
At first, Elden ring was really hard for me to beat. The thing is tho, when I did actually beat it, it was a rewarding experience. Now I’m into all the souls games :)
I just played Jedi survivor (4/5 difficulty) and the demo for Lies of p (my first Souls like game). The difference was if I died to a boss over 10 times on Jedi survuvir I just felt more compelled to lower the difficulty and bring it back p after the fight and felt like I was cheating, instead of playing lies of P I stuck with it dying a bunch of times to bosses but felt such a rewarding feeling at the end.
Well done on becoming a voice actor for my favourite show Dreamzzz. A big fan of you apex content.
In my opinion, games like getting over it and only up aren’t intended to be difficult, they’re intended to get the player angry. I’ve finished Elden ring and so called other “dark souls” games such as Jedi:Fallen order, and despite how many times I’ve died to bosses or combat encounters, I never get angry. Sure, I can get frustrated, annoyed, or depressed, but never pure, unadulterated rage or anger. I think this is because those games incentivise learning, and someone will eventually learn how to get used to the combat or a boss. Getting over it and only up are not these kinds of games, I believe that, instead, they were particularly designed to get the gamer angry. They offer no true way to improve at playing the game, and only reward endurance instead of learning. It’s for this reason that many have taken to inventing a whole new genre of game, called a “rage game”, in which getting over it and only up would fall.
Exactly!
Plus in dark souls 1 the story in completely intertwined to difficulty.
The world is dying and so you are pathetic and if you rage and give up and quit you hollow.
The act man once said the importance of Firelink shrine and the bonfires is the harsher the desert the sweeter the oasis.
Removing the difficulty would destroy the experience.
I think the anger argument is a little subjective. I broke a mouse once over my frustration at dark souls 3. Still love the game. And whilst playing Celeste, I was rarely ever upset. To this day, I'm not sure why. I certainly died enough times that I feel I should have been, but I just wasn't. As for Only Up and Getting Over it, I think there is some degree of learning required to pass the game. In the sense that you have to acclimate to the controls and learn the movements to get yourself further along. In that way, they're kinda like something akin to dark souls. I would also call them "streamer bait" instead of "rage games", but that's just me.
The thing about only up, is at a certain point, if you fall, it pushes you away from every platform. Sending you right to the start
Even Roblox has lots of difficulty theres games where you need to deafet a boss to get an item, the items drop chance is 0.1 you need that item to be good at the game so you basically sell your soul to do this, theres a lot more bosses that have that chance too.
this analogy is on point
So the problem with people saying Pokémon is too easy is because it’s designed for a 5 year old to beat it. It wasn’t meant for 15 year veteran player tony to be challenged.
I remember my cousin made me play dark souls 3 when I was like 12. I had tears running down my face when I was fighting the first boss.
Do Tier list please 🙏 ❤
Only up is the perfect example of what the word "suffering" means
Eeeeh, IMO it is not. As Macro stated, you suffer only when you fall, i.e. lose your progress. The gameplay itself is basically just a minecraft parcour course.
I feel as though most debates about difficult just boil down to a debate of casual/new players and hard-core/veteran players.
thats probably the best part of risk of rain 2 its hard (for me) on the normal diffuculty at first so i went to the lower and than completed challenges so i could figure out the best character (huntress) but i had to learn her before i could even attempt monsoon diffuculty
*Escape from tarkov noises intensify*
Legends was actually the first attempt to make a difficult game and it worked. All they did was tweaking up a bit the stats and made some improvements to the moves. Was it impossible? No, but considering that the last time I lost mons or fights was way back in Johto in HGSS, when I was an inexperienced kid, losing for once was actually a breath of fresh hair.
Yep. Volo was a hell of a challenge to fight. But I ain't complaining :)
@@caliberkat me too. It was the first time in years since I had fun on a Pokémon title. And also hope because if SV came before Legends I would have lost that too, since Legends actually tried to make us feel something
Macro included a hollow knight clip. I am now happy
Dark souls speed runners are doing so on Psych Ward Wi-Fi so it’s extra impressive
I love how Macro has went from an Apex Legends channel to the Joe Rogan of video games.
remember when people complained about sekiro? when it's the easiest souls game since it has a lot of mechanics to help the player.
I was thinking of this the other day, games skill ceiling should not be lost, the game having meaningful playtime and potential things to do it's great. The game should be a fun experience for the player, learning meaningful things about the game is important.
Said that there is a breach between people who grind those games and the truly casual fans, not saying casuals are bad, they can be the ones that help the community grow, they keep the community sane and good, but the rift between the hardcore player and casual it is becoming more broad with time. I do believe that without losing the skill ceiling and not holding the player hand, there should be an intended path for those players who are truly new to gaming in general.
Edit: I think what I'm describing is the game just being balanced, the game can be challenging but given the tools the player can always manage within the game.
I'm all up for spicy food but so spicy that I can't actually taste the food overall
I like that he put a Jaiden animations clip
bro had to sneak in that 360 no scope from apex
SBMM ONLY works in ranked where you can see your progress. It has no place in casual playlists and never has
If we're using food analogy, I still salt my food if I find them bland. I also add ketchup or A1 sauce if I think your steak sucks and I think this is fine, I got to make some thing I found bland to be at least edible.
you shouldve added Remnant cinematics because of how close the sequel is to coming out
5:28 as a fun and exciting response to the fans making their own hard mode game freak promptly condemned anyone who does nuzlockes rather than make their own games less ass.
I don’t understand why someone would subject themselves to play a game like only up when it’s movement is so shitty and the only appeal is that the devs didn’t include saving
Video game journalist will never live down that one person not being able to get out of the Tutorial
Except for the last minute this felt very very similar to Dunkey’s videos on game difficulty
My boi macro with new video
Great points macro.
My favorite type of games are games where there isn’t a difficulty changer or slider. I like playing the game as the developers wanted me too and play it at the same difficulty as everyone else. It also keeps me away from choosing the easy difficulty just because I can.
Compering difficulty with spice is probably the best way of putting it
For a second i thought that the guy on the left was junpei iori but sadly it wasn't
I fell after a whole hour of going and I quite instantly😭
macro we love u dawg
Macro is turning into a dunkey clone
Living is the Dark Souls of life
In new super mario bros for zhe ds you can input a code so you cant move the cam back 4:55
ik i dont speak for every souls player but we dont just accept the challenge we rise up and past it just to raise up past the next one and the one after till the only challenge lsft is each other. and waiting for the next game or DLC. ik some people play the souls games for "bragging rights" thats why i started but after i beat the game i wanted to play thought it again and again because i saw than that it wasnt just a hard game these games have souls they make u feel something in one way or the other weither its anger sadness joy or anything else u always feel something when playing through a fromsoftwhere game and it take truly gifted people to make a form of art like that
The “full” game of ULTRAKILL.
You should play hollow knight if you haven’t yet. I saw the bit in the video, but I’m not sure if you’ve ever played it, and I’d like to know your opinion on it. Love the vids btw 🫡
I really wish macro would play a monster hunter game someday
All well and good until the chef throws your meal into your face for adding ketchup to your fries. (Looking at you, Nintendo…)
This reminds me of when people were saying that if a game isn't made for everyone it shouldn't be a game, but if you know the game is too hard for you THEN GET ANOTHER GAME GOOFY ( btw i've beaten every from soft game so i'm kinda biased )
An example of game difficulty I thought of was the fact that the entirety of portal 2 is easier than the second half of the original game.
You should make another video about dead game - World of tanks, I loved that game but players counts are doing rapidly down and for a new player it wont find any match.
The thing about Pokémon games is yes I feel like they are getting easier but the players are also getting better so it’s going to feel easier
we need a difficulty teir list
I hate the term, but my first “dark souls difficulty” game was Ninja Gaiden and holyyyyyyyyyyy, after beating that first boss I felt so good I had to take a vacation
talking difficulty then hit them with the dark souls "you dead" sound
The worst type of game difficulty is either RPG tank scaling (I.e enemies with more health = difficulty) or COD Realism/Veteran Campaign (One/Two shots death from every side = difficulty).
I think the best balance is when the game feels easy to get in but hard to master in their respective genre.
Recently i tried code vein and it actually very accessible to soulslike newcomer like me. The partner system encourage you to overcome the challenge. They talk to you to don't lose heart when we respawn and in combat they really helpful. But when i want some challenges, i go solo like traditional soulslike games. To hard? No biggies, just go in with your partner and maybe gain some exp more before boss fight
sadly u didn't mention jump king, anyway lov ya vid❤
I have played a few shooters myself and fortnite is the hardest now i did play it at the second highest rate which is like tournaments but it is the dark souls of battle royales if you choose build mode ofc
W analogy
Macro when you ever gonna play rogue likes/lites?Like dead cells or hollow knight (the hardest ones of its kind imo)
HK is a metroidvania mate, and it isn’t as hard as people exaggerate (except the Godmaster DLC)
My man spitting facts 😌👌
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Macro the a analogy king
Idk Apex for me is just so soul crushing that I have to find reasons to play it.
Note that I have also beaten all the soulsborne games including elden ring and Sekiro
I don't really enjoy hard singleplayer games now. I find myself just sighing and deleting the game because i quickly stop having fun. When it comes to multiplayer, i don't mind tho. I like fighting games and being bested by another player is still fun compared to losing to an AI boss/enemy.
I happy cause he pretty much described the game I'm making
My appreciation for dark souls' difficulty went up