Because I want the interaction. I want to make choices. Experiences can be fun, even if you can't really lose. Going to an amusement park is fun, even though there is very little risk of dying or whatever. Also, "You can't lose" has very different thresholds for different people. What I consider a challenging but fun difficulty might be painfully easy for others, especially in action games where I have little practice. On the other hand, the puzzles I enjoy are just frustratingly complex for others. Different difficulty levels recognize that different people enjoy different things and allows them to adapt the game to their needs. It's really no different than different shoe sizes. Sure, that size 35 would be incredibly painful to wear for me and that size 48 looks comically large but that doesn't make them pointless. They just aren't for me.
In Star Fox 64, the difficulty of the game is completely determined by how well you perform right from the beginning. If you're a kid who's never played it before, there's no way you're gonna save Falco in time AND be smart enough to fly through all the arches successfully. But, if you do, the game says "Hey, you think you're hot stuff? Try out this level instead where there's hundreds of enemies." And if you're still a billy badass and kill 100 of them before the level is over, you get to take the big boy path. The whole experience is determined by your skill and if you fuck up, it sends you back to the easier path as if they're saying "Maybe you're not ready for this level yet". I love it!
resident evil 4 does a bit of a similar thing, where the game's difficulty scales based how you're doing. If you're stuck at one batch of enemies, you might eventually see a few less the next time. Best of all, they kept this secret so players didn't know the game was essentially cheating for them.
@@thesnazzmaster i think dynamic difficulties like that are a tough balance. Cause I absolutely hate it when I notice it. For the most part, i think it‘s better if the difficulty once you enter a level is set, but depending on you performance the difficulty of the next one may vary. Because if you really try to beat a tough level and the you notice the game beats itself for you, it takes all the fun out of it.
that would irritate the frig out of me if i'm trying to beat a level and the game secretly says "awww, poor baby, here, let me hold your hand" and twists a few knobs behind the curtain and just lets me win. .the thing about old school nintendo is that it was unashamedly unapologetic. it would beat you up and never ease off. that being said, "nes hard" is kind if a misnomer, because there are some really fricking hard games out there today and i went back and played some old nes games and they were fairly easy by comparison. . .
It's a hack n slash if ya only use like 2-combos, sure. But it's a visceral fucking orgasm if you learn how to use the moves in conjunction with each other. All DMC's 3 & up are like that. Hard af but fuuuuck is it fun when you get good. Isn't really hard after that, but it is hard to put down.
Kirby Epic Yarn is the perfect game to play with someone that likes cute stuff but has no experience with videogames at all. It has a little something for everyone.
This hits so hard for Uncharted 4. The hardest difficulty is straight up broken, and it takes away 90% of your options in both combat and stealth in the second half of the game. Swinging with your grapple? Shooting and sliding? Melee? Forget it, you need to figure out a solid strat (which is almost always going to be completely cover based) and stick to it completely or you will never beat it. I remember I would dedicate hours or days if I could manage it trying to beat singular levels, and either rage quitting if it didn't pan out or saving and turning off the game if it did. Then you go one difficulty lighter and you get your variety back, but the challenge disappears. Naughty Dog must've seriously never playtested the hardest difficulty.
That’s why difficulty modes honestly suck. I understand why they’re needed and I’m not saying the video game industry should do away with them, but I personally enjoy video games without difficulty settings. When there’s no difficulty meter, the devs are able to cater a specific experience. This works for open world games as well, like everyone talks about difficulty settings in dark souls, but no one mentions how there’s no difficulty setting in Zelda BoTW or many popular Nintendo games.
Also the difficulty spike near the end of the game (at least for me) was absolutely ridiculous. I started the game on normal, part way through I changed it to hard and then went to easy for the last 2-3 levels of the game because it was so annoying I just wanted it over with. I love an extra challenge for the end of a game to up the stakes but it just felt kinda janky and ruined the momentum for me:/
while i disliked the last of us 2, i think naughty dog actually learned their lesson when making it. the amount of versatility you have to cater the game to yourself was great.
I beat halo 1 on legendary about 7 minutes ago and I can confirm that halo 1 on legendary changes a man. My friend and I played every level on legendary over the course of 2 years and we were as broken as a player who plays 3 minutes of league of legends by the end of it
Literally just finished it on legendary for the first time myself. Had to come back to this video as I always remember the quote, “Halo one on legendary changes a man”
Difficulty shouldn't be solely based on damage. It should incorporate how intelligent the enemies are, where they're placed in the level, and how many there are.
In Doom 2016, they not only increased the damage enemies deal on higher difficulties, but also how many of them can attack the player at once. It was quite smart.
"How many there are" also falls under the cheap, "scale the numbers up" type of difficulty tho. Even where they are placed could be dumb if they are placed in some unreachable areas, thus making them more akin to stage hazards and/or removing you from that "anywhere the enemy can go, I can go as well" environment.
Barfing Chicken and not only about enemies. Also the level plays a huge role like the platform ins, hidden items, gameplay mechanics and player dexterity. But artificially making games difficult by bad controls or weird schemes like the tank movement of RE sucks also
I don't think you should compare difficulty to intelligence in any way. That's more condescending than changing the numbers. Also, dumber enemies are not necessarily easier to play against. They can do all sorts of dumb shit that no reasonable enemy can be expected to do, but still works somehow, and yeah, being killed by an objectively dumb move from an enemy is pretty frustrating if you ask me. I would rather just adjust the numbers or simply scrap conventional difficulty settings completely.
I mean to me as someone who recently started to completion game I still enjoy them... Although trying to finish Uncharted trilogy on crushing made me a mad man rolling around...
@@legalza0843 Yep, that's what I have recently been doing: If the game is still fun to the end, I would complete it 100% If I have finished all important quests and all secrets except the 900 korok seeds in Zelda BotW, I won't even bother searching for them neither legitimately in-game nor through guides; they rarely provide any satisfaction after solving their "puzzles".
Halo 1 on Legendary, co-op with my best friend back when it first came out - THAT was the height of my 'perfect difficulty' in gaming. As long as one of us lived, the other could respawn and we'd continue on. It took us about 2 hours per level (3 for the Library), across several days after school, and it was amazing.
While it does have some totally bullshit difficulty spikes at times (looking at you Capra Demon) I do agree with you. I think DS3 almost nailed it, hopefully the DLC will make the game the masterpiece it deserves to be.
there's a difference between a game being challenging and a game being unfair. with dark souls, it's mostly from being unfair and poorly designed. that's why darksouls is no different from bubsy the cat. but hey, if you like it, good for you, no need to fight about it.
Yes and no, the games really nail it at doing a fair, challenging difficulty, but if i had to put as much focus and effort in every single game as i did with the souls series, i would be dead of stress xD
Hades comes along and does it right imo, the difficulty selection feels incredibly natural when you start out just learning weapons and stuff, and the pact modifiers actually change how enemies act and how you play I've also seen people say that breaking checkpoints in Shovel Knight is a sort of natural difficulty selection which I really agree with Good vid
There was a good video comparing post game Hades to post 1 win Dead cells. Hades has the pact of punishment and Dead cells has the boss cell system. While Hades does do a pretty good job at introducing interesting custom difficulties it's not the best at them as explained in that video. Worth a watch.
Also in shovel knight, what you choose to spend your money on determines difficulty. Like you can get more health, more magic, and so the game becomes easier because of that. So there's really a lot of variety in difficulty level depending on the player.
Coming back to watch this after seeing Dunkeys opinion on Elden Ring and I'm really impressed how consistent his opinion is six years later. All of his criticisms of the difficulty spikes in Elden ring ring true in this video as well. When a game crosses the line from difficult to TOO difficult, it removes any potential for creativity and forces you to use exploits or boring meta builds and the game stops being fun
Elden Ring was never too difficult, it’s difficult at times but not cheap or unfair to where you get angry. Nioh on the other hand the entire game is a massive difficulty spike where you get 1 comboed by trash mobs and 2 hit by every boss even when with all your stats in vitality and heavy armor equipped, it’s like that the entire game 😅
@@canontheory Never too difficult my ass. It's a great game, but you need like 5 billion HP late game to not get ohko'd by everything, some bosses are definitely unfair
@@Hollow_Tim your probably referring to mohg and malenia? Those are the only 2 I can think of that you need an absurd amount of hp to not get 1 comboed. They are optional end game bosses though so it makes sense why they are so hard.
@@canontheory Did you not watch Dunkey's Elden Ring video? I think he showed/explained pretty well why the damage enemies do is too high (not even just bosses). I didn't mind Malenia being hard. It was more some of the main story bosses, most of all Maliketh that felt like complete BS. With Malenia even though I died more I at least felt like I kept getting better at the fight.
I really love Celeste's level of difficulty. Each level felt so hard when I did it the first time and took an hour or longer to complete, but you improve so much by completing it that when you go back to earlier levels they feel so much easier. And there's also so much endgame content that's there as an option. If you just wanna beat the main game and reach the top of the mountain, you can stop there and get a satisfying ending. If you wanna keep going they have B-sides and bonus levels that are hard as shit and unlock more content. I think it's an amazing balance of challenging players while allowing them to choose how much effort they want to put in, without any worries about not getting the "true" experience like Dunkey describes in this video.
New Super Mario Brothers Wii is a tough game. Old school tough. So you better bring your butt-stomping A-game, as this will test even the most seasoned platform veterans. You've still got to run, jump, bounce, glide and swim your way from point A to point B while avoiding environmental obstacles and enemies. This task requires increasingly accurate timing, intricate planning and ninja-like reflexes as you progress through the game's 8 worlds.
Every League of Legends Appearance: 0:06 - "frustrating" 0:25 - "what's bullshit" 1:51 - "what sucks is when you find what actually works just isn't that fun" 3:36 - "You don't want just a static cap where you don't feel like you can't get any better at the game." 4:04 - "Why am I wasting my time playing this shitty game?" 4:36 - "LEAGUE OF LEGENDS SUCKS DICK" 4:56 - "IT FUCKIN' SUCKS"
I mean the range of Roadhog's fucking chain is the most elusive shit in the goddamn game. Like your enemy could be 2 feet in fron of you and somehow you miss. But, other Roadhog's can snatch you halfway across the fucking map then he'll do that shitty shoot and melee thing. That chain is fucking OP and needs a nerf but apparentlu they can't decide what the fuck to do with McCree
This might be my favorite dunk video. I always remember it being much longer, he just says so much with so little and really has so much good opinions to share with the community.
Bro I have been surfing through your videos I hope you see this but no matter what anyone says you’re a great game reviewer. You put great discussion as well as subjective point of view and all with the great and amazing laughs of comedy I cannot wait to keep watching and thank you so much for already so much content.
+Glaceon there's not much to know, most all of them suck but eminem, there's a reason people say rap is crap, the only guy to do it right is a white man, instead of shitty people, conicidence? I think not.
Mass Effect is definitely one of my all-time favorite games and especially the difficulty-modes felt SO well done. That Insane/Insanity mode was really challenging as well as rewarding. Yet I never felt like I had to bug my way through a fight, there was always a way to play it better or use the map in a better way.
Dunkey dude, I almost NEVER watch TH-cam videos related to gaming. There came a time where I'd heard "Hey what's up guys" so many times that I swore I'd never watch a gaming video on TH-cam again. Then I found your channel. You perfectly combine comedy and critique with enough personal flair to keep me coming back for more. 5/5
I beat Last of Us on it’s hardest difficulty after about a million deaths. It was an absolutely sadistic experience, and it’s something that I’d never wanna do again. Then I went back on Hard difficulty and whooped the game’s ass. I see your point here
I hate when I go to like the video only to remember that I've already seent his video and liked it loooong ago. Dunkey, your videos are always so genuine. Never stop being so awesome!
Despite dunkey being centered in comedic oriented gaming videos, he does have a lot of criteria because he has played a lot of games, I also liked his "Bad Graphics" video.
TomboTime Yeah, I like playing really challenging games, but kirby epic yarn is really relaxing and a big stress reliever for me. Plus, it's actually a pretty good game.
I kind of feel like we're in a good spot in terms of difficulty these days. Take Uncharted. If you want a tough, relatively strategic challenge, we have Crushing difficulty. If you just wanna chill, blow away baddies and explore lost cities, we have Explorer difficulty. Having one does not devalue the other, especially considering that there are trophies specifically so people can prove they've beaten the game on harder difficulties. Then again, we have games where the difficulty is a vital part of the overall experience (Dark Souls comes to mind), and games without much difficulty but are still fun to play (Like Just Cause 3). It really just comes down to the fact that gaming shouldn't be exclusive to hardcore gamers, nor should it be completely catered for casual players. The great thing about multiple levels of difficulty is that we can provide for both at the same time.
"What actually works just isn't that fun" > shows League Absolutely. Never played a game where i felt more like having to decide wether if i want to enjoy it or be considered good at it. To consistently win at soloqueue you have to pick the same op shit and use the same safe strats over and over and over again. Mind numbing bs just to be able to say you are better at the game than some other ppl. It is fucked up.
I agree but let's also keep in mind that most of the times winning is the fun part I mean you can still have fun a loose but at the end you play ranks to win, if you don't want to play the meta stuff you can have a casual match where you'd pick whatever you feel like to.
@@dantediaz8157 True. It is just that a victory feels hollow when i know i got there by consistently exploiting something the average player i would encounter is unlikely to be able to deal with. Winning at the game feels great, when you play it as "intended" and are able to make actual strategic decisions. But playing it as a team game won't allow you to carry consistently enough. Not with random teammates.
@@danielschroedinger2090 Cannot agree more, and even adding to it: 50+ minutes of back and forth cock and ball torture where your teammates get so abusive you consider quitting or just throwing the game just to escape faster, all the fun is out of the door about 20 minute ago. At this point winning is more important than anything to you beacuse you want to make up for an hour of mental torture you've been through, and if you loose, you have to realise that all the stress, time, mic-deepthroating and mindgames have gone to absolute waste. There's no worse feeling than that. Fuck you Dota 2.
Lmfao, Dunkey was a hardcore player before he got banned for flaming, he's extremely salty about it too. You can just feel his distinct hate for the game. Obviously, you might as well take it as satire because his only reason for hating the game is getting banned.
@@dadrumma8608 He stopped playing because he felt like RIot wasn't treating him well, he expected to be treated like a god since he was one of the first few creators to make videos on the game
@@soullessSiIence But they change a man. Don't get me wrong, Halo 2 on Legendary was fuckin hell, like actually fucking infuriating. But once I finished it, I felt so accomplished.
@@soullessSiIence halo 2 on legendary is overrated. Its hard dont get me wrong, but its challenging in a good way(like ds, bloodborne, sekiro, nioh, etc). You have to be strategic, conserve br and plasma ammo, and have to know almost every jackal spot on each map. It pushes you to your limits, and when you finish the game, its freaking awesome. The only time i was frustrated during my legendary playtrough a few years ago, was on the outskirts map. That shit is nuts on legendary:P
@@markfeher2493 No, Halo 2 Legendary is hard because of bad game design. It was rushed faster than the developers hoped (along with a ton of other mishaps in the development), so tons of ideas were scrapped, and difficulty couldn't be well tested. Master Chief/Arbiter are the second weakest entities in the game (besides the Flood infection forms, which die in one hit), the enemies have ridiculous time-to-kills, and can be so fast to target and kill Chief. I love Halo 2 to death, but it's legendary is severely broken. TheActMan did a great video on why Halo 2 Legendary is difficult. Halo Reach has a great Legendary, it's tough and the enemies are smart, but they usually don't drop a player within 2 seconds.
This is a really good video that gave me some retrospective on difficulties and I think my take away from this is that when you design difficulties ideally what you should go for is something like this, 1 or 2 difficulties, or 3 if you're feeling spicy. I think this works best because besides the intended difficulty being true, this is because that's the difficulty you as the game designer know and understand best, but also if you're making a second difficulty that's an easier one or a harder one? You use that first intended normal difficulty as your base line for what you consider a more casual or hardcore play on your part. This is how I think you can tailor multiple difficulties and how it should be done, because difficulties isn't just a numbers game and let God sort out the rest, you have to put intention in your difficulty to make it meaningful, even if experienced players won't understand the easier difficulties, because those aren't designed for them, those are designed for players who want a more casual play time while still having a good time playing and I think that works as broadly as you can while keeping up the quality of your game. You won't be able to find the most scientifically accurate difficulty to skill level ratio and that's probably a fruitless endeavor to even take on, because games aren't completely balanced and the most fun ones aren't trying to be, they're trying to challenge the players but I think there is a sweet spot and like a good cook? You have to find it on your own and experiment with your own game design, keep experimenting and improving, that's how Nintendo got to where they're at and they've spent literal decades perfecting their formulas, proving to any aspiring developers that there's always room for more improvement and more experimenting within your own style. For a 3rd difficulty that's something that can be more unique either to developers, or something like joke difficulties that could be fun. I'm thinking of something like Streets of Rage Mania and Doom's Nightmare difficulties, the latter is a joke one, while SoR's Mania is not exactly a joke but very close, rather it's something of an insane mode, something that's not expected to be beaten by most players and designed to be borderline unfair.
I love coming back to this video and remembering that as much as Dunkey makes great points about how difficulty in a game should be crafted, it was when LOL decided to ban him for no real good reason, and it's just as much a video for him to shit on that grindfest, as good as it can be sometimes. LOVE YOU DUNKEY xD
I think that spelunky is all about learning its systems and how those systems intetaract with eaçh other.If you get to know this game and not rush through it , the difficulty is perfect.
@@houseinmotion5357 Oh, definitely. I'm at 1,000+ deaths and I've learned a lot from every single one. What I love most about the game is that as much as you improve your skills the game still finds a way to hand it to you so it never gets too stale.
I beat the original a dozen or so times. The console remake I've beaten the original boss about a dozen times as well, but I only made it to hell 2-3 times and was never able to spend enough time learning all of the new stuff to be able to get passed for the first stage of hell and beat the harder part of the game
I think its very important to allow one to choose the difficoulty just because everybody's skill level is very different. I am more of a strategy gamer and for example racing games kick my ass, on the other hand i can handle probably a bit more in some other games where another person would be frustrated. Moreover there is the question of various levels of phisical abilities like reflex or coordination, there are elderly ppl, disabled and so on and so forth who also deserve to enjoy games and play them even if they arent very good at them.
DUDE LEAGUE SUCKS, THEY BANNED ME FROM THE GAME JUST BECAUSE I'VE USED IT TO TRACK SOMEONEO WHO FED THE ENEMY AHRI AND KILLED HIM MAN, THEN WHEN I TOLD THEM I HAD TO KEEP PLAYING BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A VIDEO, THEY FUCKING ANSWERED "we cannot let you play, you've killed someone" LIKE WTF?
+Raft Lack no one can have an Opinion these days man, the Internet is a clusterfuck of opinionated bullshit and you're not in the Bamdwagon your opinion is obsolete
the problem with most games which have a "legendary" difficulty is that it doesn't take into account pre-existing game mechanics e.g. cod on veteran just makes more nades get thrown plus you take more damage and the enemies take less, this doesn't work well when you're in scenarios where you have to defend a set position or are un-able to move from a position.
Cuphead really is the perfect balance of difficulty imo. It's frustrating and difficult at times, but everything is FAIR. Like, I didn't get one shotted by a random dude in the bushes that i couldn't even see. I got bombarded by a bunch of beautifully animated shit that I could have dodged.
Dark Souls has perhaps the best designed approach to difficulty ever, because the player can either make it incredibly easy, or incredibly difficult for themselves without ever breaking the confines of the game world. The level of challenge can be altered drastically - entirely by actions that you take in the game, as the player character. This is something I call "Organic difficulty" - as a stab at the old "artificial difficulty" meme that used to follow DS around. Organic Difficulty, as a design concept, can trace its origins as far back as RPGs in the 1980s, where the player could reduce the challenge of the game by simply leveling up their character. Instead of using an arbitrary menu, the player can alter the difficulty to their liking by utilising the game's mechanics. Skip back to the modern day, and I don't know of any game that has quite as many mechanics that alter difficulty as Dark Souls does. It's got leveling up, upgrading gear and flasks, enchanting, consumable items, summoning, equipment that is more effective against certain foes, exploitable environment (i.e. Taurus Demon plunging attack), sequence breaking, a variety of playstyles, messages with useful tips, etc, etc. The point is, the player can make Dark Souls incredibly easy, or incredibly challenging, entirely through utilisation of game mechanics, without ever opening the options menu.
Like in any RPG you can just grind for levels to become stronger. Rpg's have done this for decades. As much as I love dark souls, it really isn't special.
Dark Souls is just learning the boss's moves. Then it becomes irrelevant what gear you use. It's just a big learning curve that entirely decides the difficulty. That said, I still love the game, but it's no longer difficult or fun whatsoever once you learn the game.
2 things I hate with difficulty (aside from usual difficulty spikes) : -When a game is just hard for no reason (Kingdom Hearts recommends playing in normal difficulty : DON'T LISTEN TO IT) -When people judge for playing on easy. Let me have my fun, I just want to play a game, not break my controller under pressure. (some games do know how to put challenge in easy)
GEEKFOREVER (Pixel Gaming/Sur La Toile Ce Soir) I always felt like a game that did difficulty was good, was the batman Arkham series, easy was good if you are new or bad. Normal was a decent challenge. Hard provided a challenge. New game plus (story on a even harder difficulty) was a difficult option but wasn’t too hard or unfair
@@emutv4100 Well, I used to just play on easy (especially on new types of games) but when Kingdom Hearts told me to try normal, I decided to listen... And now I'm back at playing in easy in other games (unless I can change difficulty whenever I want). But I think I get where you are coming from, here. Also, it's funny that you write to me about tastes in difficulty at this very moment as I am taking notes for my Crash Bandicoot review (this one will not get away).
GEEKFOREVER (Pixel Gaming/Sur La Toile Ce Soir) yeah I don’t really a variety of games much, just like 3 different ones all in the same game series, so I guess I know a lot about it, so I can play on a hard difficulty
The trouble that I have with League of Legends and World of Warcraft is that whenever I stumble into a thread of players discussing that game, I immediately think that they're just laughing at each other and pretending to be shocked. Edit: The joke is lol and wow. Edit edit: And Call of Duty players are avid fishermen, apparently.
+lel Well I play both. And Vanilla is just more difficult. hands down. Try vanilla naxx. Youll know what i mean. But the new version has its good sides too! Its just a different game to play, thats it. some like vanilla others like wod/legion
It also might be because people who play now are just better compared to players back then. Might be because of the resources available now compared to those old days and back then no one really had a comparable infrastructure to what exist today when for raiding. This doesn't even include the number of addons available today and blizzard being better at fine tuning gear/raids/classes.
Sure, you can't die in Kirby's Epic Yarn, but try going for the high score in each level, then come back and tell me how easy it is. Same goes for Yoshi's Story. Yeah, it's easy to collect 30 fruits in each level, but have you tried collecting 30 melons in each level? That's some bullshit. I still haven't done that.
I do agree with the rest of your video though. Difficulty doesn't seem like an easy thing to program. I really do love your serious videos like this one, probably just as much as your comedy videos. You're truly a talented person. :)
Idk, when i play games I don't like collecting things nor do i like getting all trophies (except for dmc3). I would prefer the game to be challenging to complete, but I do like easy games also though since they can be fun. Some donkey kong country levels made me want to pull my hair out :')
I'm kinda the opposite. I like collecting everything, and if I don't thoroughly enjoy a game enough to want complete it, I won't play it. The plus side is that it saves me a lot of money, haha.
This is why Dark Souls is a masterpiece. No difficulty slider. It puts hair on your chest. Once you grow up and learn the mechanics, the game becomes easy and you become a man.
"It puts hair on your chest" Have you played any older games? Dark Souls is nowhere near the hardest. Some of the Castlevanias, Megamans, Devil May Cry 1,2,4,Doom, etc.
_League of Legends, the most toxic difficult unbalanced game I've ever played with the sea of salt surrounding the community. What a masterpiece._ And I like Gardevoir.
"Oh, you HAVE to play _a b and c champion_ to get better." "You have to purchase _t item_ to survive." "This is _survival, not only meta_." As if it weren't the creative and diverse part of the community.
I feel difficulty levels are good. It lets anyone of any skill levels see the game to the end. I feel locking collectible extras or upgrades behind harder challenges is good. Or do like Celeste where each level has 3 difficulties, Hard, Very Hard, and Death.
No because it makes it so the developers cant create 1 good way to play and design then game around it. Instead you have 3 modes where all the modes feel half assed. A game should be both hard to master easy to learn
@@C3l3bi1 you can't make a game on one difficulty level unless you want to alienate some people. Some people what challenging gameplay, some people want insane gameplay that always pushes you, some people just want to have fun. If you want to reach mass appeal, you add difficulty levels. A smarter developer will find ways to make the difficulty levels interesting, but damn isn't game development already hell in itself.
Played that Rayman level (Rayman Legends, there are even more difficult levels to play after this one) and i think i had to retry around 30 times before finishing it but this level was really well made,it's a musical level where your character moves at the same rythm than that of the music, so instead of being frustrated by the difficulty,even if you die you still enjoy the music playing,whereas playing that level without any music to guide you would end up being raging.
Rayman Legends has a lot of really hard levels, but the checkpoints are so well done that they don't piss you off. They really nailed it with that game.
The worst of them all was the very last level in 8 bit. The moment where the screen is turned around AND splits into 3000 smaller screens took me so much time to actually do well, I haven't played this game recently but I remember very well struggling so much with the final boss that I had my brother come and help me and even then we would keep dying and have to revive each other all the time. It was the only really difficult and actually frustrating part of the game for me but it just felt so satisfying to beat. Another game I found very balanced in difficulty when it first came out was Ori and the Blind Forest, but they've added difficulty levels on the newest extension and while trying the hardest one I found the game a bit frustrating but still interesting for a second playthrough of the game.
I luckily 100% the game over half a month with my cousin and i understand why it angers you cuz i went through the same thing but eventually you get so good at the game that whenever I'm pissed i play that level to relax. So i am either amazing or the entire level layout was burned into my head and it was probably the second one
My favourite thing about Mario 64 is its ridiculously high skill ceiling. Sure the controls are nowhere near as easy to grasp as later games like Sunshine and Galaxy, but when you get it right in 64, the shit you can pull off is insanely satisfying both to watch and to play. Even better is that the levels are designed in a way that almost always gives you the opportunity to mess about with the high level shit you can get away with, despite the game not expecting anywhere near that amount of skill from you.
GamerBlue53 JGTDT Yeah, I think Sunshine actually has the best composition of high level movement *and* polish when it comes to control, but the opportunities to really let loose with that level of movement beyond letting the FLUDD carry you everywhere are much less frequent than in 64. If they can make a 3D Mario game with compact levels like in 64, as well as the more focused platforming you get from Galaxy/3D World, but with the extra polish that Sunshine added with the controls, then I think we'd have the perfect 3D Mario.
***** I've played pretty much all mario games and Galaxy 1 is definitely on my top 3. Maybe not the same level of control, but it's still an awesome game.
4:06 Too real, man; Sometimes i start thinking about what even the point of playing video games is. I mean, it's basically just a big waste of time that in the end amounts to nothing. Then i realize that life is exactly the same; A big waste of time that in the end amounts to nothing since we all just die anyway. Then i stop thinking about deep shit and start playing some Overwatch.
W_rk And then your kids die, then their kids die, and on and on it goes until humans finally go extinct. Life is a waste of time, but it can be a fun waste of time, although usually it sucks...
leon1234578 Time doesn't even exist. It*a just a measure unit to organise events. Life it's everything and nothing at the same time. So yeah. Nothing matters. Do what makes you happy becouse in the end that's everything that anyone should care about
You're foolish to underestimate the human potential for good. People today are richer than ever in history, science has improved our lives tremendously, and we're close to unlocking the biggest secrets of our universe. You should be optimistic (but not naive) in order to make the right decisions. Life IS a game and you can choose to level up indefinitely until you die, be a noob forever or not play it at all.
Says 2Pac, shows Jay-Z, quotes Kanye West. Thank you God for giving us Dunkey
I'm proud I didn't get the joke. Don't know them
Coffee Break Hero they’re rappers you silly goose
@@kraggi13 hey jimmy! when is new southpark season
Coffee Break Hero Tuesday
@@kraggi13 omg really brb google
edit: :(
All this was just an excuse to roast League of Legends
dunkey's talent is unmeasurable
Actually I think he is more verbose and erudite than anything
NERF SINGED NERF SINGED NERF SINGED NERF SINGED
immeasurable*
@@zulkr9203 unmeasurable*
@@jiannibisnauthsing1377 oh thank you george
"Well, if I can't lose, why isn't this just a movie?"
I had never thought about it like that. Well stated.
Why am i playing video games
Why do i even exist
*looks at Undertale*
@@No_Sleepee try doing a genocide run
Because I want the interaction. I want to make choices. Experiences can be fun, even if you can't really lose. Going to an amusement park is fun, even though there is very little risk of dying or whatever.
Also, "You can't lose" has very different thresholds for different people. What I consider a challenging but fun difficulty might be painfully easy for others, especially in action games where I have little practice. On the other hand, the puzzles I enjoy are just frustratingly complex for others. Different difficulty levels recognize that different people enjoy different things and allows them to adapt the game to their needs.
It's really no different than different shoe sizes. Sure, that size 35 would be incredibly painful to wear for me and that size 48 looks comically large but that doesn't make them pointless. They just aren't for me.
In Star Fox 64, the difficulty of the game is completely determined by how well you perform right from the beginning.
If you're a kid who's never played it before, there's no way you're gonna save Falco in time AND be smart enough to fly through all the arches successfully. But, if you do, the game says "Hey, you think you're hot stuff? Try out this level instead where there's hundreds of enemies." And if you're still a billy badass and kill 100 of them before the level is over, you get to take the big boy path.
The whole experience is determined by your skill and if you fuck up, it sends you back to the easier path as if they're saying "Maybe you're not ready for this level yet". I love it!
underrated comment
resident evil 4 does a bit of a similar thing, where the game's difficulty scales based how you're doing. If you're stuck at one batch of enemies, you might eventually see a few less the next time. Best of all, they kept this secret so players didn't know the game was essentially cheating for them.
@@thesnazzmaster so did God Hand
@@thesnazzmaster i think dynamic difficulties like that are a tough balance. Cause I absolutely hate it when I notice it. For the most part, i think it‘s better if the difficulty once you enter a level is set, but depending on you performance the difficulty of the next one may vary. Because if you really try to beat a tough level and the you notice the game beats itself for you, it takes all the fun out of it.
that would irritate the frig out of me if i'm trying to beat a level and the game secretly says "awww, poor baby, here, let me hold your hand" and twists a few knobs behind the curtain and just lets me win. .the thing about old school nintendo is that it was unashamedly unapologetic. it would beat you up and never ease off.
that being said, "nes hard" is kind if a misnomer, because there are some really fricking hard games out there today and i went back and played some old nes games and they were fairly easy by comparison. . .
I like how the original DMC:3 is categorized as "what the fuck"
Is DMC:3 really as hard as he make it out to be? I only played the fifth one and I found it pretty easy, since it's a hack & slash game..
MLPAiden if you can find the original PlayStation 2 version, not the special edition, it's really hard
I see
It's a hack n slash if ya only use like 2-combos, sure. But it's a visceral fucking orgasm if you learn how to use the moves in conjunction with each other. All DMC's 3 & up are like that. Hard af but fuuuuck is it fun when you get good. Isn't really hard after that, but it is hard to put down.
Yeah I agree that DMC 5 was an absolute orgasm for me with all the combos and stuff, it was really hard for me to quit the game
I Wanna be like dunkey when im born
That's a reasonable life goal
birth goal
I Wanna Be The Dunkey ft. Salvador Mora
10/10 Difficulty
I wanna be like Dunkey when I die
#reincarnationgoals
Kirby Epic Yarn is the perfect game to play with someone that likes cute stuff but has no experience with videogames at all.
It has a little something for everyone.
Tiz wae 2 dificult doe.
True that, I played it co op with my sister who doesn't play video games. We have good memories of it.
Perfect description of 10 year old me
10/10, IGN
Finally, a proper use of "it has a little something for everyone"
I like how ironic it is how he put a jpg of a fairground for the word "fair", but in reality fairground games are the most rigged thing in existence
Lol
Dunkey has surprisingly deep jokes sometimes
Lol
I love how when Dunkey said he was done with league he actually was.
... Except he still occasionally plays it.
He just doesn't make videos for it.
Emo Imo how do you know?
He plays it with sky. He can be heard in a bunch of sky williams' videos
Ezra Nixon
Yrreeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtyyuu
good. I love the guy to death, but I neverenjoyed his lol videos. it's ntoa fun game to watch
I agree, we shouldn't play bad games like league
The fucking same. An even slower moba.
League is fun.
+Michael Macias was*
It's still fun.
league and fun in the same phrase?!?!?!? are u fucking kidding me
This hits so hard for Uncharted 4. The hardest difficulty is straight up broken, and it takes away 90% of your options in both combat and stealth in the second half of the game. Swinging with your grapple? Shooting and sliding? Melee? Forget it, you need to figure out a solid strat (which is almost always going to be completely cover based) and stick to it completely or you will never beat it. I remember I would dedicate hours or days if I could manage it trying to beat singular levels, and either rage quitting if it didn't pan out or saving and turning off the game if it did.
Then you go one difficulty lighter and you get your variety back, but the challenge disappears. Naughty Dog must've seriously never playtested the hardest difficulty.
That’s why difficulty modes honestly suck. I understand why they’re needed and I’m not saying the video game industry should do away with them, but I personally enjoy video games without difficulty settings. When there’s no difficulty meter, the devs are able to cater a specific experience. This works for open world games as well, like everyone talks about difficulty settings in dark souls, but no one mentions how there’s no difficulty setting in Zelda BoTW or many popular Nintendo games.
Crushing is still a good difficulty. Sounds like you just suck
@@hwanniggles187 League player detected
Also the difficulty spike near the end of the game (at least for me) was absolutely ridiculous. I started the game on normal, part way through I changed it to hard and then went to easy for the last 2-3 levels of the game because it was so annoying I just wanted it over with. I love an extra challenge for the end of a game to up the stakes but it just felt kinda janky and ruined the momentum for me:/
while i disliked the last of us 2, i think naughty dog actually learned their lesson when making it. the amount of versatility you have to cater the game to yourself was great.
I beat halo 1 on legendary about 7 minutes ago and I can confirm that halo 1 on legendary changes a man. My friend and I played every level on legendary over the course of 2 years and we were as broken as a player who plays 3 minutes of league of legends by the end of it
Literally just finished it on legendary for the first time myself. Had to come back to this video as I always remember the quote, “Halo one on legendary changes a man”
Difficulty shouldn't be solely based on damage. It should incorporate how intelligent the enemies are, where they're placed in the level, and how many there are.
@@hunter_of_man6613 or chainguns and line-of-sight instakill firepillars. Times a million. DIFFICULTY!
In Doom 2016, they not only increased the damage enemies deal on higher difficulties, but also how many of them can attack the player at once. It was quite smart.
"How many there are" also falls under the cheap, "scale the numbers up" type of difficulty tho. Even where they are placed could be dumb if they are placed in some unreachable areas, thus making them more akin to stage hazards and/or removing you from that "anywhere the enemy can go, I can go as well" environment.
Barfing Chicken and not only about enemies. Also the level plays a huge role like the platform ins, hidden items, gameplay mechanics and player dexterity. But artificially making games difficult by bad controls or weird schemes like the tank movement of RE sucks also
I don't think you should compare difficulty to intelligence in any way. That's more condescending than changing the numbers. Also, dumber enemies are not necessarily easier to play against. They can do all sorts of dumb shit that no reasonable enemy can be expected to do, but still works somehow, and yeah, being killed by an objectively dumb move from an enemy is pretty frustrating if you ask me.
I would rather just adjust the numbers or simply scrap conventional difficulty settings completely.
I used to play games to completion, as I've gotten older I just play through the campaign on normal modes and I'm done.
CloudKoF
I don’t 100% games, but I do everything that’s fun to do
I mean to me as someone who recently started to completion game I still enjoy them...
Although trying to finish Uncharted trilogy on crushing made me a mad man rolling around...
@@someguyparagon5273 lmao try brutal difficulty. I litterally died in a fucking cutscene
@@legalza0843 Yep, that's what I have recently been doing:
If the game is still fun to the end, I would complete it 100%
If I have finished all important quests and all secrets except the 900 korok seeds in Zelda BotW, I won't even bother searching for them neither legitimately in-game nor through guides; they rarely provide any satisfaction after solving their "puzzles".
@@legalza0843 yeah
4:17 that's the most fucked up way I've ever heard anybody say existential in my life
"Every time a gamer starts a debate the conclusion always is League of legends sucks"
-Samuel L. Jackson
"But after that we start speaking about kirby and how he can defeat goku"
-2 pac
"why do I even exist?" - I ask myself this everyday
noice
cuz u need top comment am I right
"Do we exist?"
Mae Musick damn straight
you exist to make this comment
quotes kanye
says it's tupac
has picture of jayz in the background
kill me
The Joke
Your Head
Woosh
are they friends of yours?
with a pic of jay z lol
Dats de joke
4:56 When you get irritated trying to explain to someone how a vacuum cleaner works
Halo 1 on Legendary, co-op with my best friend back when it first came out - THAT was the height of my 'perfect difficulty' in gaming.
As long as one of us lived, the other could respawn and we'd continue on. It took us about 2 hours per level (3 for the Library), across several days after school, and it was amazing.
100% percent. Playing Legendary like that on co-op was a blast
Agree with the last part.
league is such a fuck, i just dont like mobas but league looks like ass and just super fucking boring
LEAGUE OF LEGENDS FUCKING SUCKS! (more dunkey)
+ASTRIOCRATIC _ you should play it to form an opinion
+Nova that's not what he said.
GreedyRadish not if you aren't a child
I would actually argue that Dark Souls is at the "sweet spot" with regards to challenge.
While it does have some totally bullshit difficulty spikes at times (looking at you Capra Demon) I do agree with you. I think DS3 almost nailed it, hopefully the DLC will make the game the masterpiece it deserves to be.
there's a difference between a game being challenging and a game being unfair. with dark souls, it's mostly from being unfair and poorly designed. that's why darksouls is no different from bubsy the cat. but hey, if you like it, good for you, no need to fight about it.
Yes and no, the games really nail it at doing a fair, challenging difficulty, but if i had to put as much focus and effort in every single game as i did with the souls series, i would be dead of stress xD
Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 I would agree, but DS1 is a big troll-fest. Which is a big part of that games charm.
***** mother of arceus, it's the real dunkey!
Hades comes along and does it right imo, the difficulty selection feels incredibly natural when you start out just learning weapons and stuff, and the pact modifiers actually change how enemies act and how you play
I've also seen people say that breaking checkpoints in Shovel Knight is a sort of natural difficulty selection which I really agree with
Good vid
There was a good video comparing post game Hades to post 1 win Dead cells. Hades has the pact of punishment and Dead cells has the boss cell system. While Hades does do a pretty good job at introducing interesting custom difficulties it's not the best at them as explained in that video. Worth a watch.
Also in shovel knight, what you choose to spend your money on determines difficulty. Like you can get more health, more magic, and so the game becomes easier because of that. So there's really a lot of variety in difficulty level depending on the player.
Wrong. Kirbys Epic Yarn is one of the hardest games ever, right up there with Dark Souls and Bookworm Adventures. You’re nitpicking and biased. I win:
Bye bye
love you dunkey
congrats on 2 mil
Notice me
bless
love u to pap
papa bless
That's what I like about knack perfect level of difficulty
For me, Knack really has a mix of challenge and fairness
You could say it has a Knack for good difficulty levels
HERE COMES THE MONEEEEEEEEYYY.... HERE COMES THE MONEY!!
2:57 I clenched my asscheeks so hard looking at that guy's fingers
0:07 Oh, man. I love when DMC3 gets some love. It's so good. 😍
...
I mean, sure, difficulty matters.
But the graphics, thats what this is really all about...
no.
yeeeeeeeee
No it isnt.
It's the way of the future.
the graphics
I would love to see Dunkey do more video essays like this!
Second.
Thirded?
+Gary Rook forfeded
+Che Lavos quinted?
yeh sixted
Coming back to watch this after seeing Dunkeys opinion on Elden Ring and I'm really impressed how consistent his opinion is six years later. All of his criticisms of the difficulty spikes in Elden ring ring true in this video as well. When a game crosses the line from difficult to TOO difficult, it removes any potential for creativity and forces you to use exploits or boring meta builds and the game stops being fun
Elden Ring was never too difficult, it’s difficult at times but not cheap or unfair to where you get angry. Nioh on the other hand the entire game is a massive difficulty spike where you get 1 comboed by trash mobs and 2 hit by every boss even when with all your stats in vitality and heavy armor equipped, it’s like that the entire game 😅
Elden Ring does not have difficulty spikes. You can go to areas with strong foes but you just need to level up if it is hard.
@@canontheory Never too difficult my ass. It's a great game, but you need like 5 billion HP late game to not get ohko'd by everything, some bosses are definitely unfair
@@Hollow_Tim your probably referring to mohg and malenia? Those are the only 2 I can think of that you need an absurd amount of hp to not get 1 comboed. They are optional end game bosses though so it makes sense why they are so hard.
@@canontheory Did you not watch Dunkey's Elden Ring video? I think he showed/explained pretty well why the damage enemies do is too high (not even just bosses).
I didn't mind Malenia being hard. It was more some of the main story bosses, most of all Maliketh that felt like complete BS. With Malenia even though I died more I at least felt like I kept getting better at the fight.
I really love Celeste's level of difficulty. Each level felt so hard when I did it the first time and took an hour or longer to complete, but you improve so much by completing it that when you go back to earlier levels they feel so much easier. And there's also so much endgame content that's there as an option. If you just wanna beat the main game and reach the top of the mountain, you can stop there and get a satisfying ending. If you wanna keep going they have B-sides and bonus levels that are hard as shit and unlock more content. I think it's an amazing balance of challenging players while allowing them to choose how much effort they want to put in, without any worries about not getting the "true" experience like Dunkey describes in this video.
If this video is so good why isn't there a part tw-
The Sparrow lol
There is a part two
@@gopaldey8487 that's the joke woooshman Lord of the woooshes.
@@pablogonzalezhermosilla4210 Lord of the woooshes
The Sparrow if part 2 is so good why isn’t there a Part 2: 2??
New Super Mario Brothers Wii is a tough game. Old school tough. So you better bring your butt-stomping A-game, as this will test even the most seasoned platform veterans. You've still got to run, jump, bounce, glide and swim your way from point A to point B while avoiding environmental obstacles and enemies. This task requires increasingly accurate timing, intricate planning and ninja-like reflexes as you progress through the game's 8 worlds.
I'm sorry, r/woosh me if necessary, but I beat that game when I was 7, we're joking right?
@@Poketrainer317 Yup, pretty sure that's a reference to Dunkey's video on game reviews
@@bobmcboberson2353 Okay cool, thanks.
why oof
aaaand thats a motherfuking JOJOS REFEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE
Every League of Legends Appearance:
0:06 - "frustrating"
0:25 - "what's bullshit"
1:51 - "what sucks is when you find what actually works just isn't that fun"
3:36 - "You don't want just a static cap where you don't feel like you can't get any better at the game."
4:04 - "Why am I wasting my time playing this shitty game?"
4:36 - "LEAGUE OF LEGENDS SUCKS DICK"
4:56 - "IT FUCKIN' SUCKS"
Halo 1 on Legendary changes a man.
Halo 2 on Legendary creates a monster.
This makes me wanna play it
When dunkeys humor is so meta, I can't tell if him mispronouncing existential is a bit or not.
wow someone else did catch that!!! I thought I was the only one. lololol
Meech pomhangquoc pph tlpbp
phimosis was a ophimhNgquoc
I also caught that haha
I feel like it was so mispronounced it had to be on purpose.
sounds like he was having the stroke he was trying to avoid in that other game
Ex-e-stential not exist-ential dinkey
yeah thats what i said, exa-sensenetial
+videogamedunkey lmao
its eggs n benedictential, chowder breath
It's meta. The word is hard to say. Praise dunkey.
Both of the options you offered were phonetically correct, and neither one was the way Dunkey pronounced it.
I've watched this video at least 6 times now and finally noticed that the egg has an unhappy face when it cracks 2:15
As an undying fan of Devil May Cry 3, I perfectly agree with putting it in the "WTF" category XD
>overpowered techniques
>roadhog clip
finally someone agrees with me
and before you guys get all salty, a character can have an overpowered technique and not be an overpowered character
Roadhog's hook is fucking overpowered. But without his hook hes a terrible hero.
I mean the range of Roadhog's fucking chain is the most elusive shit in the goddamn game. Like your enemy could be 2 feet in fron of you and somehow you miss. But, other Roadhog's can snatch you halfway across the fucking map then he'll do that shitty shoot and melee thing.
That chain is fucking OP and needs a nerf but apparentlu they can't decide what the fuck to do with McCree
Squirrely I'm not salty it's just than oh no you're hooked is that a empty water bottle you hit the hook breaks wtf overwatch
KUNAI WITH CHAIN!!
Thank you for rewarding those of us who watch your videos to the end.
you rewarded yourself nigga
This might be my favorite dunk video. I always remember it being much longer, he just says so much with so little and really has so much good opinions to share with the community.
Bro I have been surfing through your videos I hope you see this but no matter what anyone says you’re a great game reviewer. You put great discussion as well as subjective point of view and all with the great and amazing laughs of comedy I cannot wait to keep watching and thank you so much for already so much content.
"no one man should have all that power" kanye lyrics with jayz in the background. "my man 2pac"
xDxDxD
holly shit i got some gameboy advance nostalgia in the end ;-;
It's funny because I don't know about rappers that much
Red T I was hoping someone would notice that haha
+Glaceon there's not much to know, most all of them suck but eminem, there's a reason people say rap is crap, the only guy to do it right is a white man, instead of shitty people, conicidence? I think not.
Billy Boss DMX, NWA, and Wu Tang Clan were good
Dunkey is the best black youtuber
I am a police doctor and I shot dunkey for being black then patched him up and shot him again
+Doc Pandaman Okay this was funny
he white ,tho
^Its a joke, tho
Aqua Blade it ain't ,doe
Mass Effect is definitely one of my all-time favorite games and especially the difficulty-modes felt SO well done. That Insane/Insanity mode was really challenging as well as rewarding. Yet I never felt like I had to bug my way through a fight, there was always a way to play it better or use the map in a better way.
i really love dunkey when he analyzes aspects of gaming like this. He really should be taken seriously by game makers
It reminds me of my existential crisis while playing undertale like why the fuck am I stuck trying to spare this one bitch
Dunkey dude, I almost NEVER watch TH-cam videos related to gaming. There came a time where I'd heard "Hey what's up guys" so many times that I swore I'd never watch a gaming video on TH-cam again. Then I found your channel. You perfectly combine comedy and critique with enough personal flair to keep me coming back for more. 5/5
AND DONT FORGET TO LIKE COMMENT AND SUBSCRIBE EVEN THO THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE VIDEO HASNT EVEN STARTED
Steve this comment gets a Knack 2 outta 5
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
"would watch again"
Steve if you like dunkey, try slimecicle.
I want to be just like video game donkey when I grow up
Preach
Black?
I want to be a video game like Donkey.
Well you guys are gonna have to start by spelling his name right.
You damn Dunkey.
+Owlski I want to be as Donkey as Dank when video games grow me.
I beat Last of Us on it’s hardest difficulty after about a million deaths. It was an absolutely sadistic experience, and it’s something that I’d never wanna do again. Then I went back on Hard difficulty and whooped the game’s ass. I see your point here
you trained to become god himself
I hate when I go to like the video only to remember that I've already seent his video and liked it loooong ago. Dunkey, your videos are always so genuine. Never stop being so awesome!
Was expecting this to be a farce but this really was a very informative vid that made me ponder difficulty in games in a way I never have before.
Despite dunkey being centered in comedic oriented gaming videos, he does have a lot of criteria because he has played a lot of games, I also liked his "Bad Graphics" video.
TBF Kirby's Epic Yarn's purpose right from the get go is less about being challenging and more about being relaxing and soothing.
TomboTime Yeah, I like playing really challenging games, but kirby epic yarn is really relaxing and a big stress reliever for me. Plus, it's actually a pretty good game.
I kind of feel like we're in a good spot in terms of difficulty these days. Take Uncharted. If you want a tough, relatively strategic challenge, we have Crushing difficulty. If you just wanna chill, blow away baddies and explore lost cities, we have Explorer difficulty. Having one does not devalue the other, especially considering that there are trophies specifically so people can prove they've beaten the game on harder difficulties.
Then again, we have games where the difficulty is a vital part of the overall experience (Dark Souls comes to mind), and games without much difficulty but are still fun to play (Like Just Cause 3).
It really just comes down to the fact that gaming shouldn't be exclusive to hardcore gamers, nor should it be completely catered for casual players. The great thing about multiple levels of difficulty is that we can provide for both at the same time.
*two thumbs up
*round of apluse
So where do normal and hard difficulties for uncharted go? For people that want to play crushing but can't do it?
@@ashtar3876 they are also there..if u want minimal to modest challange play in those difficulties
"What actually works just isn't that fun"
> shows League
Absolutely. Never played a game where i felt more like having to decide wether if i want to enjoy it or be considered good at it. To consistently win at soloqueue you have to pick the same op shit and use the same safe strats over and over and over again. Mind numbing bs just to be able to say you are better at the game than some other ppl. It is fucked up.
So...the whole game is basically the embodiment of those guys that yell at you for choosing 23 of the 30 characters in Overwatch?
I agree but let's also keep in mind that most of the times winning is the fun part I mean you can still have fun a loose but at the end you play ranks to win, if you don't want to play the meta stuff you can have a casual match where you'd pick whatever you feel like to.
@@dantediaz8157 True. It is just that a victory feels hollow when i know i got there by consistently exploiting something the average player i would encounter is unlikely to be able to deal with. Winning at the game feels great, when you play it as "intended" and are able to make actual strategic decisions. But playing it as a team game won't allow you to carry consistently enough. Not with random teammates.
Yup. Most FPS's either have good weapons/characters/attachments or fun ones, most of the time it isn't both.
@@danielschroedinger2090 Cannot agree more, and even adding to it: 50+ minutes of back and forth cock and ball torture where your teammates get so abusive you consider quitting or just throwing the game just to escape faster, all the fun is out of the door about 20 minute ago. At this point winning is more important than anything to you beacuse you want to make up for an hour of mental torture you've been through, and if you loose, you have to realise that all the stress, time, mic-deepthroating and mindgames have gone to absolute waste. There's no worse feeling than that.
Fuck you Dota 2.
I wasn't really getting what Dunkey was talking about, but that last statement really brought the whole argument together. XD
It fucking sucks
Lmfao, Dunkey was a hardcore player before he got banned for flaming, he's extremely salty about it too. You can just feel his distinct hate for the game. Obviously, you might as well take it as satire because his only reason for hating the game is getting banned.
Nah. It just was a temporary ban, and he stopped playing because he didn't find it to be fun anymore.
@@dadrumma8608 He stopped playing because he felt like RIot wasn't treating him well, he expected to be treated like a god since he was one of the first few creators to make videos on the game
Nah, that was just one of the reasons. And he didn't expect to be treated like a god, he was just appealing a ban.
Donkeys says he hates league but deep down we all know he still loves it.
lets all agree to not disagree with that
^^
Isn't that the same? agree and not disagree?
No, you can hold a neutral opinion
+•Jikata IT go to hell
“Halo 1 on legendary... changes a man”
Just wait til he gets his hands on dat K̶n̶a̶c̶k̶ Halo 2
Dark Souls 1 and 3 are *chefs kiss* beautifully balanced games
I like my games like I like myself.
Hard all the time.
k
you should probably see a doctor. All the time sounds like it could be damaging.
That moment when you realize its not a boner, its a fucking tumor.
u get thicc skin m7
*Thick-skinned all the time
"Halo 1 Legendary changes a man"
*Halo 2 has joined the game*
*Sniper Jackals has joined the game*
Real
Halos on legendary are just stupid. When a difficulty is so high that the game stops being fun it just becomes stupid.
@@soullessSiIence But they change a man. Don't get me wrong, Halo 2 on Legendary was fuckin hell, like actually fucking infuriating. But once I finished it, I felt so accomplished.
@@soullessSiIence halo 2 on legendary is overrated. Its hard dont get me wrong, but its challenging in a good way(like ds, bloodborne, sekiro, nioh, etc). You have to be strategic, conserve br and plasma ammo, and have to know almost every jackal spot on each map. It pushes you to your limits, and when you finish the game, its freaking awesome. The only time i was frustrated during my legendary playtrough a few years ago, was on the outskirts map. That shit is nuts on legendary:P
@@markfeher2493 No, Halo 2 Legendary is hard because of bad game design. It was rushed faster than the developers hoped (along with a ton of other mishaps in the development), so tons of ideas were scrapped, and difficulty couldn't be well tested. Master Chief/Arbiter are the second weakest entities in the game (besides the Flood infection forms, which die in one hit), the enemies have ridiculous time-to-kills, and can be so fast to target and kill Chief.
I love Halo 2 to death, but it's legendary is severely broken. TheActMan did a great video on why Halo 2 Legendary is difficult.
Halo Reach has a great Legendary, it's tough and the enemies are smart, but they usually don't drop a player within 2 seconds.
This is a really good video that gave me some retrospective on difficulties and I think my take away from this is that when you design difficulties ideally what you should go for is something like this, 1 or 2 difficulties, or 3 if you're feeling spicy. I think this works best because besides the intended difficulty being true, this is because that's the difficulty you as the game designer know and understand best, but also if you're making a second difficulty that's an easier one or a harder one? You use that first intended normal difficulty as your base line for what you consider a more casual or hardcore play on your part.
This is how I think you can tailor multiple difficulties and how it should be done, because difficulties isn't just a numbers game and let God sort out the rest, you have to put intention in your difficulty to make it meaningful, even if experienced players won't understand the easier difficulties, because those aren't designed for them, those are designed for players who want a more casual play time while still having a good time playing and I think that works as broadly as you can while keeping up the quality of your game.
You won't be able to find the most scientifically accurate difficulty to skill level ratio and that's probably a fruitless endeavor to even take on, because games aren't completely balanced and the most fun ones aren't trying to be, they're trying to challenge the players but I think there is a sweet spot and like a good cook? You have to find it on your own and experiment with your own game design, keep experimenting and improving, that's how Nintendo got to where they're at and they've spent literal decades perfecting their formulas, proving to any aspiring developers that there's always room for more improvement and more experimenting within your own style.
For a 3rd difficulty that's something that can be more unique either to developers, or something like joke difficulties that could be fun. I'm thinking of something like Streets of Rage Mania and Doom's Nightmare difficulties, the latter is a joke one, while SoR's Mania is not exactly a joke but very close, rather it's something of an insane mode, something that's not expected to be beaten by most players and designed to be borderline unfair.
I love coming back to this video and remembering that as much as Dunkey makes great points about how difficulty in a game should be crafted, it was when LOL decided to ban him for no real good reason, and it's just as much a video for him to shit on that grindfest, as good as it can be sometimes. LOVE YOU DUNKEY xD
*sees spelunky in the frustrating category*
Me: Damn Straight
I think that spelunky is all about learning its systems and how those systems intetaract with eaçh other.If you get to know this game and not rush through it , the difficulty is perfect.
@@houseinmotion5357 Oh, definitely. I'm at 1,000+ deaths and I've learned a lot from every single one. What I love most about the game is that as much as you improve your skills the game still finds a way to hand it to you so it never gets too stale.
I have thrown my controller countless times because of spelunky. Great game 12.5/10
1000s of deaths and I haven't even beaten the game once.
I beat the original a dozen or so times. The console remake I've beaten the original boss about a dozen times as well, but I only made it to hell 2-3 times and was never able to spend enough time learning all of the new stuff to be able to get passed for the first stage of hell and beat the harder part of the game
Hey Dunk. THanks for inspiring me to do dugs and make vlds.
I appreciate you.
lmfao
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Yo man can you score me some dugs?
Me too I'm as high as a *P-HELICAN EEAAAAAAH*
i'll take one drugs, please
I think its very important to allow one to choose the difficoulty just because everybody's skill level is very different. I am more of a strategy gamer and for example racing games kick my ass, on the other hand i can handle probably a bit more in some other games where another person would be frustrated. Moreover there is the question of various levels of phisical abilities like reflex or coordination, there are elderly ppl, disabled and so on and so forth who also deserve to enjoy games and play them even if they arent very good at them.
I don't know why but it kinda feels like Dunkey is dissing League of Legends. I don't know why just got that feeling
Why is windwaker link so fucking cute lol
@@ashtar3876 he is a perfect being in every way
Still mad at league huh?
Yup
Repetitive shit game
DUDE LEAGUE SUCKS, THEY BANNED ME FROM THE GAME JUST BECAUSE I'VE USED IT TO TRACK SOMEONEO WHO FED THE ENEMY AHRI AND KILLED HIM MAN, THEN WHEN I TOLD THEM I HAD TO KEEP PLAYING BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A VIDEO, THEY FUCKING ANSWERED "we cannot let you play, you've killed someone" LIKE WTF?
+Raft Lack no one can have an Opinion these days man, the Internet is a clusterfuck of opinionated bullshit and you're not in the Bamdwagon your opinion is obsolete
How could he not be?
Why is no one commenting about league of legends in the far left at 0:08
holy shit ive watched this video 100 times and never noticed that!
Cause it's Truuuuuueeeeee
it’s so true that even the people that disagree (or are angry that he put it there) are too scared to comment about it. That’s how true it is.
Speaking of that frame spelunky is such a hard ass game. It doesn’t seem like it would be but it is
FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE AWNSERS MY QUESTION FROM 2 FUCKING YEARS AGO
the problem with most games which have a "legendary" difficulty is that it doesn't take into account pre-existing game mechanics e.g. cod on veteran just makes more nades get thrown plus you take more damage and the enemies take less, this doesn't work well when you're in scenarios where you have to defend a set position or are un-able to move from a position.
This is like when Mike Tyson was asked if he'd be able to take on Bruce Lee (both in their prime), and Mike responds by saying he can beat Floyd.
In the wake of Cuphead, people need to come back and watch this video.
Cuphead really is the perfect balance of difficulty imo. It's frustrating and difficult at times, but everything is FAIR. Like, I didn't get one shotted by a random dude in the bushes that i couldn't even see. I got bombarded by a bunch of beautifully animated shit that I could have dodged.
crhuble Expect for Bee Boss. *Fuck* the Bee Boss.
Sam Koehler seriously? Eggman was much worse with his bullshit robot
cuphead = overrated
Cuphead got exactly as much love as it deserved. Not overrated in the slightest. And that Bee Queen boss is nothing compared to the dragon.
Dark Souls has perhaps the best designed approach to difficulty ever, because the player can either make it incredibly easy, or incredibly difficult for themselves without ever breaking the confines of the game world. The level of challenge can be altered drastically - entirely by actions that you take in the game, as the player character.
This is something I call "Organic difficulty" - as a stab at the old "artificial difficulty" meme that used to follow DS around. Organic Difficulty, as a design concept, can trace its origins as far back as RPGs in the 1980s, where the player could reduce the challenge of the game by simply leveling up their character. Instead of using an arbitrary menu, the player can alter the difficulty to their liking by utilising the game's mechanics.
Skip back to the modern day, and I don't know of any game that has quite as many mechanics that alter difficulty as Dark Souls does. It's got leveling up, upgrading gear and flasks, enchanting, consumable items, summoning, equipment that is more effective against certain foes, exploitable environment (i.e. Taurus Demon plunging attack), sequence breaking, a variety of playstyles, messages with useful tips, etc, etc.
The point is, the player can make Dark Souls incredibly easy, or incredibly challenging, entirely through utilisation of game mechanics, without ever opening the options menu.
Dark souls is a trash example of a game with good difficulty.
Like in any RPG you can just grind for levels to become stronger. Rpg's have done this for decades. As much as I love dark souls, it really isn't special.
Dark Souls is just learning the boss's moves. Then it becomes irrelevant what gear you use. It's just a big learning curve that entirely decides the difficulty. That said, I still love the game, but it's no longer difficult or fun whatsoever once you learn the game.
Great point!
Come back in ten years
2 things I hate with difficulty (aside from usual difficulty spikes) :
-When a game is just hard for no reason (Kingdom Hearts recommends playing in normal difficulty : DON'T LISTEN TO IT)
-When people judge for playing on easy. Let me have my fun, I just want to play a game, not break my controller under pressure.
(some games do know how to put challenge in easy)
GEEKFOREVER (Pixel Gaming/Sur La Toile Ce Soir) I always felt like a game that did difficulty was good, was the batman Arkham series, easy was good if you are new or bad. Normal was a decent challenge. Hard provided a challenge. New game plus (story on a even harder difficulty) was a difficult option but wasn’t too hard or unfair
@@emutv4100 Well, I used to just play on easy (especially on new types of games) but when Kingdom Hearts told me to try normal, I decided to listen... And now I'm back at playing in easy in other games (unless I can change difficulty whenever I want).
But I think I get where you are coming from, here.
Also, it's funny that you write to me about tastes in difficulty at this very moment as I am taking notes for my Crash Bandicoot review (this one will not get away).
GEEKFOREVER (Pixel Gaming/Sur La Toile Ce Soir) yeah I don’t really a variety of games much, just like 3 different ones all in the same game series, so I guess I know a lot about it, so I can play on a hard difficulty
@@emutv4100 Oh ok. Sure, that makes a big difference. Not to brag or anything but personally, I have far too many different games to count so...
I watch till the end not because of bonus content. But because the content is so good and entertaining I always gotta give him my full watch time.
The trouble that I have with League of Legends and World of Warcraft is that whenever I stumble into a thread of players discussing that game, I immediately think that they're just laughing at each other and pretending to be shocked.
Edit: The joke is lol and wow.
Edit edit: And Call of Duty players are avid fishermen, apparently.
Top marks for effort.
Wow
I like jokes too
+lel Well I play both. And Vanilla is just more difficult. hands down. Try vanilla naxx. Youll know what i mean. But the new version has its good sides too! Its just a different game to play, thats it. some like vanilla others like wod/legion
It also might be because people who play now are just better compared to players back then. Might be because of the resources available now compared to those old days and back then no one really had a comparable infrastructure to what exist today when for raiding. This doesn't even include the number of addons available today and blizzard being better at fine tuning gear/raids/classes.
Sure, you can't die in Kirby's Epic Yarn, but try going for the high score in each level, then come back and tell me how easy it is. Same goes for Yoshi's Story. Yeah, it's easy to collect 30 fruits in each level, but have you tried collecting 30 melons in each level? That's some bullshit. I still haven't done that.
I do agree with the rest of your video though. Difficulty doesn't seem like an easy thing to program. I really do love your serious videos like this one, probably just as much as your comedy videos. You're truly a talented person. :)
Idk, when i play games I don't like collecting things nor do i like getting all trophies (except for dmc3). I would prefer the game to be challenging to complete, but I do like easy games also though since they can be fun. Some donkey kong country levels made me want to pull my hair out :')
I'm kinda the opposite. I like collecting everything, and if I don't thoroughly enjoy a game enough to want complete it, I won't play it. The plus side is that it saves me a lot of money, haha.
Amen to that, brother.
thats artificial difficulty though.
3:51 My favorite Sonic characters, Comedy Chimp and Lady Walrus
*“What does a League Player Hate”*
*“League of Legends”*
*“That's my fault, i set the bar too low”*
This is why Dark Souls is a masterpiece. No difficulty slider. It puts hair on your chest. Once you grow up and learn the mechanics, the game becomes easy and you become a man.
The easy slider is magic.
... And shields.
Taxen of Hearts 10/10 bait
dark souls is painful, specific, and slow
why waste time playing a game that isnt even fun
"It puts hair on your chest"
Have you played any older games? Dark Souls is nowhere near the hardest. Some of the Castlevanias, Megamans, Devil May Cry 1,2,4,Doom, etc.
_League of Legends, the most toxic difficult unbalanced game I've ever played with the sea of salt surrounding the community. What a masterpiece._
And I like Gardevoir.
pokemans for the win
I got em! They'll never read the lines!
"Oh, you HAVE to play _a b and c champion_ to get better." "You have to purchase _t item_ to survive." "This is _survival, not only meta_." As if it weren't the creative and diverse part of the community.
I have a shiny Lopunny and 47 Bunearys just sitting in my PC box.
just ban the counter or just counter pick. Pow, you have no more counter for your broken char.
I probably watched/heard this video 30 times already, and I still find subtle hidden jokes on dunkey's edits its awesome
In my opinnion these 2 videos regarding game difficulty are the best of any other video dunkey attempted to make ever
That tupac joke at 2:53 had so many goddamn layers. subscribed.
Jack Gillespie Jay-Z
Kanye
can you explain these layers please ? I don't see it
He "quotes" Tupac using a line from a Kanye song, and the picture on the screen is of Jay-Z
that's not deep, that's the oldest meme in the book
How could any game be hard after having the world record on bowsers bean burrito?
Because spaghetti and meatballs
I feel difficulty levels are good. It lets anyone of any skill levels see the game to the end. I feel locking collectible extras or upgrades behind harder challenges is good. Or do like Celeste where each level has 3 difficulties, Hard, Very Hard, and Death.
No because it makes it so the developers cant create 1 good way to play and design then game around it.
Instead you have 3 modes where all the modes feel half assed.
A game should be both hard to master easy to learn
Have you played Celeste?
Wrong
The b-sides and c-sides in Celeste are completely supplementary and optional challenges, not really relevant to this video
@@C3l3bi1 you can't make a game on one difficulty level unless you want to alienate some people. Some people what challenging gameplay, some people want insane gameplay that always pushes you, some people just want to have fun. If you want to reach mass appeal, you add difficulty levels. A smarter developer will find ways to make the difficulty levels interesting, but damn isn't game development already hell in itself.
Dang man for a 5 minute video this felt so long. Idk how but I was enticed the whole time great video
Played that Rayman level (Rayman Legends, there are even more difficult levels to play after this one) and i think i had to retry around 30 times before finishing it but this level was really well made,it's a musical level where your character moves at the same rythm than that of the music, so instead of being frustrated by the difficulty,even if you die you still enjoy the music playing,whereas playing that level without any music to guide you would end up being raging.
Rayman Legends has a lot of really hard levels, but the checkpoints are so well done that they don't piss you off. They really nailed it with that game.
The worst of them all was the very last level in 8 bit. The moment where the screen is turned around AND splits into 3000 smaller screens took me so much time to actually do well, I haven't played this game recently but I remember very well struggling so much with the final boss that I had my brother come and help me and even then we would keep dying and have to revive each other all the time. It was the only really difficult and actually frustrating part of the game for me but it just felt so satisfying to beat.
Another game I found very balanced in difficulty when it first came out was Ori and the Blind Forest, but they've added difficulty levels on the newest extension and while trying the hardest one I found the game a bit frustrating but still interesting for a second playthrough of the game.
dang dunkey even u come back to ur old videos to rewatch them.
You should try to get 3 teensies on Infiltration Station (Invaded), it's perhaps the most frustrating level in the entire game.
I luckily 100% the game over half a month with my cousin and i understand why it angers you cuz i went through the same thing but eventually you get so good at the game that whenever I'm pissed i play that level to relax. So i am either amazing or the entire level layout was burned into my head and it was probably the second one
The roast...I think Riot Games will publish a water champion after this, to deal with the burns
which one
tbh just saying something sucks is not a sick burn.
I still remember the amount of relief I got when I finally completed all the 8 bit levels of rayman legends. I was 13. Those levels were really hard
Im glad you included "Loose Ends" from MW2. it was hell on veteran
My favourite thing about Mario 64 is its ridiculously high skill ceiling. Sure the controls are nowhere near as easy to grasp as later games like Sunshine and Galaxy, but when you get it right in 64, the shit you can pull off is insanely satisfying both to watch and to play. Even better is that the levels are designed in a way that almost always gives you the opportunity to mess about with the high level shit you can get away with, despite the game not expecting anywhere near that amount of skill from you.
I would say the same for Sunshine, the amount of control you have in that game is ridiculous if you truly master the mechanics.
GamerBlue53 JGTDT Yeah, I think Sunshine actually has the best composition of high level movement *and* polish when it comes to control, but the opportunities to really let loose with that level of movement beyond letting the FLUDD carry you everywhere are much less frequent than in 64.
If they can make a 3D Mario game with compact levels like in 64, as well as the more focused platforming you get from Galaxy/3D World, but with the extra polish that Sunshine added with the controls, then I think we'd have the perfect 3D Mario.
I 100% back you on this.
Yeah, Galaxy 1 and 2 are great, but you just don't have that same level of control. Galaxy 2, 3D Land, and 3D World have you on like a 3D grid.
***** I've played pretty much all mario games and Galaxy 1 is definitely on my top 3. Maybe not the same level of control, but it's still an awesome game.
4:06 Too real, man; Sometimes i start thinking about what even the point of playing video games is. I mean, it's basically just a big waste of time that in the end amounts to nothing. Then i realize that life is exactly the same; A big waste of time that in the end amounts to nothing since we all just die anyway. Then i stop thinking about deep shit and start playing some Overwatch.
Would agree with this if I were an athiest...but in a way that's not exactly wrong so... :/
Life is not a big waste of time if you produce kids to inherit the products of your struggles.
W_rk
And then your kids die, then their kids die, and on and on it goes until humans finally go extinct. Life is a waste of time, but it can be a fun waste of time, although usually it sucks...
leon1234578 Time doesn't even exist. It*a just a measure unit to organise events. Life it's everything and nothing at the same time. So yeah. Nothing matters. Do what makes you happy becouse in the end that's everything that anyone should care about
You're foolish to underestimate the human potential for good. People today are richer than ever in history, science has improved our lives tremendously, and we're close to unlocking the biggest secrets of our universe. You should be optimistic (but not naive) in order to make the right decisions. Life IS a game and you can choose to level up indefinitely until you die, be a noob forever or not play it at all.
4:02 I felt that 'WTF'
I’m loving the baby mode joke at the beginning - the Wii Party baby-rocking minigame he showed there was *hell.*
"And what's the deal with having to beat the game to unlock harder difficulties, am I right fellas ?"
THANK YOU
Lack of content = forcing players to replay the same short ass shit.
The best difficulty is Knack.
Whatchu know 'bout that Knack, baybee?!
UH-OH! DID SOMEBODY SAY KNAAAACK?!
HERES COMES THE MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
HERE COMES THE MONEYYYYY
Knack's final boss fight actually is fucking hard.
3:11 for those who havent played rayman legends this is one of the easier 8-bit music stages. Trust me.
I hated the one where everytime you jumped the screen would just show static
The Kanye line quoted as Pac with Jay Z in the background is a MASTAPIECE