I still play fortnite quite a bit, but I already miss it. It's now getting worse and worse with fewer updates every year, were all just waiting for C2.0
I do hope arena shooters and class based shooters make a comeback someday. I do think it’s possible. People need to realize as well that just because a game isn’t popular anymore doesn’t mean it’s still fun. I still play Black ops 3 multiplayer almost daily still and it’s still incredible almost 8 years later. Don’t let anything or any youtubers influence your fun in gaming.
I think people need to look as battle royales as a game mode rather than a genre. There's no reason why a fps could come out with a battle royale with other game modes. I think a lot of people were hoping for that in halo infinte but they kinda dropped the ball on that. Extraction / looter shooters like tarkov are suppose to be next big genre but we will see about that.
I love overwatch and Paladins so I hope we see more games in the genre. Hell, if it weren't for all the jank in Paladins, it'd probably be my most played game.
@@EuphoricPlaceHolder that’s cod games that use pc based hosting where u host servers locally. Unless you use something like plutonium it is unsafe. Bo3 is safe but it’s full of hackers
The main reason for the downfall of Hyperscape was the learning curve/skill floor of the game. They did everything right, managed to hype up the game pretty well, but most people couldn't really enjoy the game because if you weren't a hardcore gamer (or didn't use the smart pistol) you just wouldn't win or get a kill for that matter. If it was a bit more beginner/noob friendly it most likely would be here with us today.
Holy moly, I was talking to my friends about this yesterday, about how dropping in, looting, camping for 20 minutes *Warzone* and then dying to someone in a vehicle was just not fun. You read my mind Macro.
I really hope battle royales aren't the main thing companies look at if they want to make a game with good numbers player wise, I miss seeing some actual creative multiplayer games
Little known fact about the Respawn mechanic in Battle Royales , Fortnite actually had the entire system in development in their files before Apex came out. After Apex came out it ended up looking bad on Fortnite when they finally finished and released the reboot van.
It’s funny because a Fortnite devs said that they knew apex was coming out and they waited for the respawn beacon to see if people liked and then added it because it was good
I remember a few years back, all I played were multiplayer shooters like Fortnite,Overwatch,COD,Apex and it was just miserable but in the past few months I’ve basically only played single player experiences like Red Dead 2,TheLastOfUs,Doom,The Batman Arkham games and I actually enjoy playing video games again
I think the reason why Fortnite works is simply because they're not afraid of experimentation. In one season you have people using Dragon Ball mechanics and in another, they are swinging through Spider-Man's web shooters. One can say they never take themselves seriously, and just focus on what's 'fun'. That helps them build consistency through evolution.
thats pretty much the main reason i still highly enjoy fortnite nowadays, it just goes completely apeshit with their new guns or items to the point its always usually fun trying out some new wacky item
Nah, experimentation isn't it Alot of BRs tried to experiment with the formula but they died off anyway Fortnite is just constantly balancing things while keeping the core of the game the same, they're experimenting with new weapons, but not with the core of the BR genre
Exactly why I love Fortnite. It's also the main reason why I pretty much exclusively play Team Rumble, unless a specific challenge needs me to play the BR. But it does suck how Team Rumble still has building so it's a coin toss whether you get into a fun match or a sweat fest.
With all this shade towards BR's that Macro is throwing, I'd like to see him make the perfect BR. Genuinely like that would be a sick video : Macro pitching his own BR Edit:Mom I'm famous I have a comment with over 300 likes!
the content of most BR’s has just dried out so quickly. Warzone is just the same over and over PUBG and Apex are dying because nobody wants to play them
Entering the br space as a new comer is practically a death wish. Spellbreak and rumbleverse both lost cuz they were cool and then people went back to what they knew. Heck, even prestablished br's have versions that meet the same fate (e.g Apex Mobile)
To be fair apex mobile was really mis managed. Server problems,not much f2p content, buga and glitches, tons and tons of hackers, I'll matched ranked players and the god awful monetization
Pretty much this. The fact that so many BR's also tried to be Live Service games also didn't do them any favors when entering such a walled off market. The way the BR scene looks today is pretty damn similar to how the Arena Shooter scene was toward the end of the 360/PS3 era where there were several mainstay titans who held the vast majority of players (Call of Duty, Battlefield, Counter Strike ect.) with smaller games popping up and drawing some players away from those games only to swiftly fade away as the novelty wore off and they went back to their mainstay title. It's a recurring trend across the various videogame genre's, with some exceptions, that has played out over and over again.
@@voltr3d569 it still was making millions and was bringing content and ea/respawn didn't want to have to live up to the expectations that the mobile team were setting
@@BlergaGerg expections? The entire mobile community was fed up of the mobile team they weren't listening to the community even a bit. And the high bars you talk about what are they? Better firing range? Now on HD.More gamemodes? Now on hd.
I personally love Population One, I know the fact that it costs money and requires a VR headset is a huge drawback, but the fact that its in VR makes it so much more immersive and fun. The amount of approaches you can take to a fight by having the ability to simply move your arms and climb is unending. This makes it so it doesn't become very stale and is almost always a good time.
Yes I was looking for this comment! Population one is my favorite and only game I play! Very competitive and addictive. Best way to experience battler royale
Honestly its good. Sad they removed deathmatch and stuff. Use to get 20 kills per deathmatch with M60, katana and P90. Seriously the game rewards skill.
I personally like the concept of battle royale, but it seems like when a fresh battle royale idea comes out, no one wants to try it, and the game dies. People are getting bored of the same thing though, and this is why i feel like battle royale games are truly going to die out.
I've personally been entirely drained from the br experience. Really nothing that can be added will really keep me around at all since, like you said, it was fun the first thousand times. That's why I hope more Arena shooters come back to their former glory, like if 343 actually updated Halo Infinite
i knew looters extraction games would be popular when I first played The Division in 2016. Even tho the game dropped of player base fast cus that style wasnt "It" back then I knew it would be. It was one of the most different games I've ever played at the time and even to this day. I have a feeling the next 3-4 years will be taken over by them. The Division was just way before its time... if it came out now it would of blown up. The fact that you can loot and farm NPC in a storyline that mixes with single player then run into another team and they try and rob you. Builds that everyone can midmax to however they like. It was insane when i first played it. I think the issue with it was PUBG was insanely popular at that time then Fortnite came the next year
They don’t hold well on their own anymore. That’s the biggest sign that a genre is becoming stale. It seems like the positive parts of the bigger BR’s are getting worse also.
The reason why games are not changing a lot is because of maintaining mechanic systems. By changing it, it would make many professionals go against it and in time it will make a huge gap level between pros and noobs and for those who's playing just for fun will not be able to find something new to enjoy
Fr. Spell break was so great, I just feel like the should've added more spells into the game Cuz using the same spells over and over definitely got boring
You legally cannot make a battle royale video without talking about the greatest battle royale ever. Totally accurate battlegrounds It was made as an april fool's joke and even so I think it is the greatest battle royale to date The movement, absurdity of every gunfight, insane attachment synergies, dumb weapons and much more make it one of the most fun games I have ever played, especially with friends It deserves all the attention it can get even if the developers abandoned it, so please go check it out It's free to play btw
The creators of TABG and TABS made another April's fools game which is a sort of BR about knights riding drifting horses and using AKs. It was free on the first of April last year and then it became paid.
This can cost risk alot of jobs too. Not the just companies that make these games, but also the eSports players who trained for years to become the best.
Alex had a fix for the ranked BR issue in the form of arenas. Everyone had the opportunity to get the same loot and if you lost then it isn’t just RNG, yet respawn still removed it due to low player count.
Hey Macro, if you wanna see a hidden gem of a kind BR I would love to recommend Hunt: Showdown. It's amazing. The sound design, the world detail, the historically accurate weapons, the bosses. The whole game is lovingly crafted as well as being hard as hell
To be fair, people were saying BR were dying WAY before I started playing them. They probably are but people were saying they been dead for a year after FortNight was released.
The battle royales that secured their spot will continue, while those whose audience had dropped off hard are likely to continue to free fall…definitely interested to see what’s next.
I think games like Hunt: Showdown are the logical progression of Battle Royales. Based on BR core mechanics but it not being the main objective but rather a mechanic to make the game more intense and interesting. Also Hunt is just really good and different and I love it so I'm definitely biased
@@OmegaYurei I'm not sure about that, cuz it's not that casual, but it definitely just makes a lot of sense design-wise. Tho I would love it so much if Hunt really blew up cuz I think there's even more amazing things to be done with that game
I'm really wondering what the new go to gamemode will be, the tarkov type seems interesting. I really enjoyed vigor but sadly it's only on console as of rn
A forgotten gem of a BR that I never see talked about is “the divisions:survival” like the vibe in that dlc was something else and on top of that to win you didn’t have to kill everyone you just had to escape alive
I think the problem with BRs is that they're so hard to make and maintain It's harder than normal MP games because you need a large enough playbase to accomodate your game's high limit of players per match So the problem arises when players prefer a BR over yours So it's very hard to create an Original BR with Interesting Mechanics because people usualy steer away from the "New" Take Darwin Project for example, it took the BR idea and molded it into it's own thing! An announcer that could shift the match at will, limited weaponery to simplify the game and yet heighten the skill ceiling, survival aspects to make the game more thrilling while adding craftable tools and gadgets to help you gain an edge over battle even if you haven't fought much I feel like the game didn't do well because players wanted a Fortnite-like shooter, it was what started the whole genre and a game shifting away from it COMPLETELY isn't comforting, so they're not interested in trying it. But let's take another example: Hyperscape. It was a shooter BR that didn't change much from other BR games...So why did it die? Because it was fast. The abilities didn't bother most people, but it was how fast the whole game was that made people not want to keep playing it, because other BRs aren't even close to being that fast, not even Apex which is considered a fast BR, was considered to be "Too fast". All a BR needs to be quickly gave up on is "Change". If you try to change the formula too much, no one wants to hear what you got to say because it isn't what they're familiar with. It's the same for other Multiplayer games, but atleast they got a smaller number of players per match which allows them to keep thriving as anyone could still find a match despite the game not being very popular Can you tell i'm sad that Darwin Project and Hyperscape died yet? lol
@@doctorshotty1845 DARWIN YEAH God that game had so much potential, it was so fun to play at the whims of a director and overcome the odds But "Too original"
BRs are not hard to make lol they are the most braindead easy design concept for a game any moron with no experience can up with a BR idea just ask the PUBG creator :D
Apex Legends has definitely decided to try to sift into other genres recently. With the inclusion of permanent non-BR modes like TDM, control, and gun run coming in season 16, Apex is trying to transition into a more complete FPS experience instead of just a BR game.
In apex at least the matchmaking was the biggest problem for me. I was getting consistently to diamond with filled squads, but playing normals was unplayable and once getting to diamond rank was also unplayable, to have a fun time in apex you either are the top of players or the bottom, being in the top middle sucks, u get matched only against preds and masters, yet the game refuses to put me in that rank, or the third option you just create smurf accounts.
I think the biggest issue gameplay / quality of life wise with battle royales is still the time spent not doing anything, and I don't even just mean looting. The time you spend between dying and landing in apex just looking at UI and menus is insane considering how quickly things can go to shit after you didn't really do much in a match. I think if the time between losing and jumping off the ship in a new match was like 30-60 seconds the battle royale formula would feel a lot more refreshing to a lot of players. I agree entirely with your point about ranked as well. Also, I worry that yes extraction is the direction we are headed, and I am not a big fan of it so sucks for me ig.
Battle Royales have given me some of the best moments in gaming... 3 years ago. The genre is just not fun anymore, and I don't think there is a way to change that.
Apex needs to add titans. There could be a pickup that you could find in the map that allows 1 titan per team, that can be driven by any team member. It could also be cool to have the titan act on its own if there's no one in it, as a sort of fourth squad member.
Just found your channel today. Definitely agree in the fact that Battle Royales can feel a little samey now, but I don't think the genre is a fad. To me, after seven years of them being around, I feel like they're just as mainstay as something like TDM or a hero shooter. Super excited to see what you do next!
Battle Royal games still have potential it's just that new comers are often indie devs and/or trend chasers. A BR with the mechanics of Escape from Tarkov would work well as at the moment the choice is really between a cartoon, a sci-fi cartoon, COD and a game made that looks like it was made by beginner devs just learning the engine, 10 years ago(this being PUBG). There isn't an Immersive and realistic BR on the market.
You should test extraction shooters like Hunt Showdown and Escape From Tarkov They're practically Battle Royals but the goal is to complete an objective then make it to an extraction point safely. In Hunt everyone is fighting to have the opportunity of killing a "boss" which is a very powerful NPC placed somewhere randomly on the map, the players must locate the boss layer by scanning clues scattered around the map. The game is slow and methodical with smart repositioning being the crux of the combat. I love it a lot and I would love to see a Macro take on it.
Yeah but the problem with those especially hunt showdown is camping, some people just wait for people to do the objectives and then camp the extraction to bandit the rewards. Games like that really need to punish camping
The reason apex doesn’t have solos is cause the abilities of characters aren’t all good for solo and some really help teams more then you like lifeline
This is like that picture of all the same-ish white SUVs from different car brands - inevitably everyone agrees on one working formula and features then you add your own minor twist.
5:17 To be honest Fortnite BR/C needs to be treated like a different game from STW, the only thing that they share is some core mechanics and skins. STW is a fantastic game that is not in the best spot because it is treated as a outdated gamemode and not a stand alone game which it basically is.
I doubt looter shooters will ever become the absolute main game genre type or whatever because of there gridny and brutal nature, I absolutely love games like The Cycle and play it daily, but I think that a very large portion of people just wont enjoy the mechanics of risking your hard earned equipment every time you want to play.
There is this huge void on the multiplayer market, I would bet that in the next 2-5 years some unknown game like Multiversus, Among Us, Fall Guys will storm the gaming community like Elden Ring did when released
Imo Apex has such fun movement and great mechanics overall that it doesn't ever seem to get boring. When you have a consistent 3 stack to play with, you win quite often as well.
I feel like battle royales are dying but they won’t die for a long time. I think it will be a slow and prolonged “death” because there is that trend of people coming and going
I think with the rapid increase in technology, it’s easier for developers to create beautiful solo experiences with really enticing combat, like GoW, Elden Ring, A Plague Tale, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Hades, and upcoming Avatar Frontiers of Pandora and Hades 2. I think single player games are the future, as companies don’t have to focus on good multiplayer, meaning they can put more resources towards good stories, beautiful graphics and buttery smooth gameplay.
Apex could put some of their cinematic budget and mid story telling segments towards keeping certain modes in the game. Maybe even more than 2 maps per season that'd be great
In my opinion, BR isn't dying for now. But, I still got the BR Fatigue since Warzone 2 popped. And, can't last half hour playing Apex nowadays (I started playing since S0 by the way), and recently played PUBG with my boyfriend, but, despite getting a good game, I had the said fatigue once again. I'm now on Warframe for the time being.
I think battle royales are just transforming into a regular game genre now and not a trend to make quick cash that every dev is hopping on. the genre is just settling into the norm of the gaming sphere like the platformer or fighting game did in the 90s
Hyperscape is what we needed. Ubisoft should have actually marketed it. The game was fun, innovative, and had solid movement. Who knows, maybe with enough people talking about it they might bring it back. At least I hope.
Haha yeah I was hoping for that mode in Sot years ago, I remember when they added arena mode, br could have been cool, I haven't played that game in a long time but it was fun
I think "Extraction Looter Shooter" types games will be the future. It has elements of BR with added persistence and risk that allows for deeper progression and more build variety. Games like Escape from Tarkov (often considered the father of the genre), Cycle: The Frontier, Rainbow Six: Extraction, Marauders and Dark and Darker(RPG instead of FPS) are more digestible version of DayZ that revolve around a "session based" format that is popular since it can fit into anyone's schedule. The only hindrance is sometimes there is a minimal commitment level to these games that many cannot afford. And "gear fear" will take a while for some to overcome. Overall I can see the Extraction genre become the spiritual successor to the BR craze, and we will soon see more and more developers expand on what EFT started years ago. Once you get into this genre, you are hooked. The thrill of incomparable high risk/high reward is unmatched.
hey and another good point some people might not be able to play or enjoy these games anymore is because the graphics.Like fortnites graphics have gone up substantially to the point you might not be getting the same fps as some people or your game might just crash because of it.
I do think Extraction Shooters like tarkov and the cycle will be the next big thing. Ubisoft is already working on the division heartlands with a release this year hopefully. I’m excited for this genre :) ❤
I probably would have never played a BR game, but my son got into Fortnite and I strated playing some with him. It was funner than I thought, especailly as that coincided with no build mode. Now he plays mostly with online friends and they never play the BR. Always playing mini games or whatever is on there.
Man I genuinely miss spellbreak and how unique it's combat was. Could I have been better yes, however I just hope it doesn't go wasted and can be transfered over to something else. Also people still play league of legends and all we get is 5 characters a year and skins
I remember a few years ago when Fortnite was still decently new and fresh. If you didn't have it, you were uncool. Now, however, if you do play it, you are uncool. Oh how times have changed. The memories with my friends in OG Fortnite are so great.
It’s true that apex legends don’t have a solo mode it’s sad at the same time bcx as a beginner I see a lot of tryhards i am only able to knock 1 opponent down then get clapped by his teammates and this happens over and over which is really frustrating
My biggest problem with BRs is that it isn't a genre that you can just log on and play to relax you have to focus while playing, it is not an easy or peaceful experience. Other games for exemple allow more of that way of playing because your mistakes dont punish you as hard. Let's take an exemple, if someone whos is not the best at BRs, this pearson will log on and search for a game after maybe 2-5minutes he will find a game and after more 4-5 minutes he will start playing for real the he dies in the first fight, now he has to do the cycle once again.
With the revive of apex with its whole rework and team death match, I’m really hoping it hits because I’m actually excited, but I’m scared that if it doesn’t hit apex will soon die off
Been playing Fortnite since the last week of season 5. Admittedly, been playing way more Destiny 2 once I started playing that last year in September. I had a 100% win rate in Spellbreak! I played the game when it first came out, and I won the first match I played so I never touched it again.
My guess is that Battle Royales, much like MMOs already have their pillars set up, and those games serving as pillars are the ones that will keep getting content and updates, while the new ones will always be a risk to see if they can even retain players
I think a huge reason Fortnite still remains too, a thing most ppl in these videos don’t bring up, is that Fortnite has an ongoing story its telling. Sure some seasons don’t really build on the story and such but I feel like Fortnite is the only BR that is actually TRYING to tell an ongoing story season to season. They also can have their cosmetics be literally anything, not just locked to military gear in different patterns and colors but entirely different things and somehow still fit. I never wouldve thought I could be Spider-man running around in a game with a gun while the guy Im after is the predator and someone dressed as a llama or something and it not be completely ridiculous.
Spell break had so much potential. It was horrible on controller, filled with the dumbest bots I've ever seen, and didn't add much over time thus why it got stale, but it was conceptually dope as hell. I hope all the devs work on another project that they are equally passionate about. A lot of love went into that br for sure.
Saying players are bored of the br playform but like the gameplay is the most true thing ive ever heard, like apex just added tdm and gun run so thats what got me to play it again
One of the factor is that Warzone, Apex, Fortnite, and Pubg are like the set and stone br games. Others that tries to compete against it but fails to stand out to these big br games. I think it's here to stay because these four are the king of br games. We have seen this in OW when that game became big before the drought, we could see this in OW2. OW has killed a lot of class based shooter with very few like R6S. Most couldn't match its gameplay and most importantly the art behind the game. A lot of characters are really likeable in OW and even to this day is has by far the best design in art and character imo.
Totally Accurate Battlegrounds, my favourite Br ever made, wish it had much more players than it does at the moment super underrated frenetic and even has spells lol
I think with apex trey probably won't try out so many more LTMs and New mode e.g. Arenas it is a huge failure and the 6 people that play it probably hate themselves. Although the reason why it failed was probably cause there wasn't enough content at the start and people lost interest in it. but modes like control and gun run mixes apex with og modes from games like COD and Halo and it not only gives you a sense of nostalgia but it also shows what apex's movement and gunplay offers in those modes and it excites everyone seeing what it would look like.
Which BR do you miss the most? 😔
Apex Mobile
Hyperscape and soon Rumbleverse
I still play fortnite quite a bit, but I already miss it. It's now getting worse and worse with fewer updates every year, were all just waiting for C2.0
@@picklejuice40 creative 2.0 update is gonna be the biggest fn update in YEARS!!
hyper scape and spellbreak, those were really cool games, showed them less love than I should have
I do hope arena shooters and class based shooters make a comeback someday. I do think it’s possible. People need to realize as well that just because a game isn’t popular anymore doesn’t mean it’s still fun. I still play Black ops 3 multiplayer almost daily still and it’s still incredible almost 8 years later. Don’t let anything or any youtubers influence your fun in gaming.
Theres an RCE exploit in BO3 and older cods anyone connected to a bo3 server can get their pc backdoored
I think people need to look as battle royales as a game mode rather than a genre. There's no reason why a fps could come out with a battle royale with other game modes. I think a lot of people were hoping for that in halo infinte but they kinda dropped the ball on that. Extraction / looter shooters like tarkov are suppose to be next big genre but we will see about that.
I love overwatch and Paladins so I hope we see more games in the genre. Hell, if it weren't for all the jank in Paladins, it'd probably be my most played game.
Just got into Black Ops 3 and it’s really awesome to see how much the community cares
@@EuphoricPlaceHolder that’s cod games that use pc based hosting where u host servers locally. Unless you use something like plutonium it is unsafe. Bo3 is safe but it’s full of hackers
Hyperscape has to be one of my favourite battle royales in terms of movement and mechanics ever made. Sad to see it go
Ye I enjoyed it as well hope it comes back in the future
I agree. Hyperscape was really good.
the guns were so creative too, wish it stuck around longer
Devs couldn't keep up with community demands and just dropped it it is sad but it was bound to happen the dev team wasn't professional enough
The main reason for the downfall of Hyperscape was the learning curve/skill floor of the game. They did everything right, managed to hype up the game pretty well, but most people couldn't really enjoy the game because if you weren't a hardcore gamer (or didn't use the smart pistol) you just wouldn't win or get a kill for that matter. If it was a bit more beginner/noob friendly it most likely would be here with us today.
Holy moly, I was talking to my friends about this yesterday, about how dropping in, looting, camping for 20 minutes *Warzone* and then dying to someone in a vehicle was just not fun. You read my mind Macro.
Fr I remember yesterday I had amazing loot and then I just get sniped
play bloodhunt tdm
@@XENOMATTER-rq8bi skill issue
I love joking with my brother about how the queue time for an Apex game is longer than the actual match.
I'll say this in this thread and in the main one.
To me, Battle Royale is like missing a shot in basketball and being benched the rest of the game.
I severely miss spellbreak. Such unique fighting mechanics 😭😭
I feel your pain. that game was the first online pvp I ever played and it will forever be one of my favorites. rip to a real one
To bad they let it die unlike most of the other failed bra that just failed to appeal
same
I want to see a resurge of popularity in regular campaign and multiplayer FPS games with extra modes like capture the flag, those are always fun.
Yeah …. No.
They dominated for years and fell off because it’s the exact same game for 20 years.
They also required no skill.
Yes!! I miss capture the flag
@@vincenta8652you gotta be a bot or smooth brain
@@vincenta8652the battle royales requiere no skill, you can camp in the midle of the circle and still win
I was waiting for someone to say "cosmetics are not content". Thats so true.
That song made me go through a state of crippled depression... thank you Macro
Wensday adams is in the chat
Crippling depression*
Crippled depression lmao
@Fish World Huh?
what is the name of the real song?
I really hope battle royales aren't the main thing companies look at if they want to make a game with good numbers player wise, I miss seeing some actual creative multiplayer games
They can be a battle royale and still be creative you realize that right?
@@vSwaGGerMoDz Ya rumbleverse proved that
@@Yoaten And now its dead lol
@@vSwaGGerMoDz A game can not have battle royale tacked on and still be creative you realize that right?
Little known fact about the Respawn mechanic in Battle Royales , Fortnite actually had the entire system in development in their files before Apex came out. After Apex came out it ended up looking bad on Fortnite when they finally finished and released the reboot van.
How tf lol? Respawns aren't exactly a novel thing....
@ACupOfLatte Respawn device in brs I mean
Bro Realm Royale had respawn years before Apex Legends was released
It’s funny because a Fortnite devs said that they knew apex was coming out and they waited for the respawn beacon to see if people liked and then added it because it was good
I remember a few years back, all I played were multiplayer shooters like Fortnite,Overwatch,COD,Apex and it was just miserable but in the past few months I’ve basically only played single player experiences like Red Dead 2,TheLastOfUs,Doom,The Batman Arkham games and I actually enjoy playing video games again
I think the reason why Fortnite works is simply because they're not afraid of experimentation. In one season you have people using Dragon Ball mechanics and in another, they are swinging through Spider-Man's web shooters. One can say they never take themselves seriously, and just focus on what's 'fun'.
That helps them build consistency through evolution.
thats pretty much the main reason i still highly enjoy fortnite nowadays, it just goes completely apeshit with their new guns or items to the point its always usually fun trying out some new wacky item
Yeah if they stayed the same with chapter 1 it would’ve gotten stale and boring like apex is nowadays
@@wrathofthewitchqueen exactly
Nah, experimentation isn't it
Alot of BRs tried to experiment with the formula but they died off anyway
Fortnite is just constantly balancing things while keeping the core of the game the same, they're experimenting with new weapons, but not with the core of the BR genre
Exactly why I love Fortnite. It's also the main reason why I pretty much exclusively play Team Rumble, unless a specific challenge needs me to play the BR. But it does suck how Team Rumble still has building so it's a coin toss whether you get into a fun match or a sweat fest.
Macro is one of the only TH-cam's that I agree with 99.9% of the time
facts
other one is critikal
Except his tier lists sometimes
I mean he isnt too critical about anything. An 8/10 for bloodhunt is criminally high.
Spellbreak and hyperscape were some of my favourites, if I could I would have kept the fandom alive myself
spellbreak was honestly so fun to play
A battle royale that was around even before PUBG was a game called H1Z1. What a game that was when it was at its pinnacle of popularity.. RIP😔
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With all this shade towards BR's that Macro is throwing, I'd like to see him make the perfect BR. Genuinely like that would be a sick video : Macro pitching his own BR
Edit:Mom I'm famous I have a comment with over 300 likes!
I love this idea
@@TheMacroShow with actual free progression, make the game feel rewarding
the content of most BR’s has just dried out so quickly. Warzone is just the same over and over PUBG and Apex are dying because nobody wants to play them
@@LowRezStudios then he won’t make any money
@@CasualCat64 balance it
Entering the br space as a new comer is practically a death wish. Spellbreak and rumbleverse both lost cuz they were cool and then people went back to what they knew. Heck, even prestablished br's have versions that meet the same fate (e.g Apex Mobile)
To be fair apex mobile was really mis managed. Server problems,not much f2p content, buga and glitches, tons and tons of hackers, I'll matched ranked players and the god awful monetization
Pretty much this. The fact that so many BR's also tried to be Live Service games also didn't do them any favors when entering such a walled off market. The way the BR scene looks today is pretty damn similar to how the Arena Shooter scene was toward the end of the 360/PS3 era where there were several mainstay titans who held the vast majority of players (Call of Duty, Battlefield, Counter Strike ect.) with smaller games popping up and drawing some players away from those games only to swiftly fade away as the novelty wore off and they went back to their mainstay title.
It's a recurring trend across the various videogame genre's, with some exceptions, that has played out over and over again.
@@voltr3d569 it still was making millions and was bringing content and ea/respawn didn't want to have to live up to the expectations that the mobile team were setting
@@BlergaGerg expections? The entire mobile community was fed up of the mobile team they weren't listening to the community even a bit. And the high bars you talk about what are they? Better firing range? Now on HD.More gamemodes? Now on hd.
Hope will comevack to games olds chool cod and halo
I personally love Population One, I know the fact that it costs money and requires a VR headset is a huge drawback, but the fact that its in VR makes it so much more immersive and fun. The amount of approaches you can take to a fight by having the ability to simply move your arms and climb is unending. This makes it so it doesn't become very stale and is almost always a good time.
Yes I was looking for this comment! Population one is my favorite and only game I play! Very competitive and addictive. Best way to experience battler royale
Honestly its good. Sad they removed deathmatch and stuff. Use to get 20 kills per deathmatch with M60, katana and P90. Seriously the game rewards skill.
I personally like the concept of battle royale, but it seems like when a fresh battle royale idea comes out, no one wants to try it, and the game dies. People are getting bored of the same thing though, and this is why i feel like battle royale games are truly going to die out.
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I've personally been entirely drained from the br experience. Really nothing that can be added will really keep me around at all since, like you said, it was fun the first thousand times. That's why I hope more Arena shooters come back to their former glory, like if 343 actually updated Halo Infinite
Yea I’m bored of BR, I want to see more creativity not just jump, loot, camp, kill, win is just boring
i knew looters extraction games would be popular when I first played The Division in 2016. Even tho the game dropped of player base fast cus that style wasnt "It" back then I knew it would be. It was one of the most different games I've ever played at the time and even to this day. I have a feeling the next 3-4 years will be taken over by them. The Division was just way before its time... if it came out now it would of blown up. The fact that you can loot and farm NPC in a storyline that mixes with single player then run into another team and they try and rob you. Builds that everyone can midmax to however they like. It was insane when i first played it. I think the issue with it was PUBG was insanely popular at that time then Fortnite came the next year
They don’t hold well on their own anymore. That’s the biggest sign that a genre is becoming stale. It seems like the positive parts of the bigger BR’s are getting worse also.
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK yeah funnily i play a lot of fortnite for a while again but its not even the BR modes, its creative i mainly play
Same. Apex and Fortnite are good games, but I'm feeling so tired of BR that just seeing one makes me wanna throw up.
I think this genre it's here to stay, but I don't think it will get a whole lot more bigger.
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The reason why games are not changing a lot is because of maintaining mechanic systems. By changing it, it would make many professionals go against it and in time it will make a huge gap level between pros and noobs and for those who's playing just for fun will not be able to find something new to enjoy
BRs are super fun with firends. The offtime is great for chatting and the ocasional win feels great
This is so true I’m still sad about spell break 😢
Fr. Spell break was so great, I just feel like the should've added more spells into the game Cuz using the same spells over and over definitely got boring
You legally cannot make a battle royale video without talking about the greatest battle royale ever. Totally accurate battlegrounds
It was made as an april fool's joke and even so I think it is the greatest battle royale to date
The movement, absurdity of every gunfight, insane attachment synergies, dumb weapons and much more make it one of the most fun games I have ever played, especially with friends
It deserves all the attention it can get even if the developers abandoned it, so please go check it out
It's free to play btw
It even has SWAWS on it, ffs! And a croc suit!
Hey, the croc's swimmin!
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Its a fun game
The creators of TABG and TABS made another April's fools game which is a sort of BR about knights riding drifting horses and using AKs. It was free on the first of April last year and then it became paid.
@@yemi28983 oh yeah knightfall
Didn't play it yet but it looked very fun
He should rly just release an album at this point
This can cost risk alot of jobs too. Not the just companies that make these games, but also the eSports players who trained for years to become the best.
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Maybe esports players should get a job and stop thinking playing video games is a sport lmao
What I love about these videos is that they feel like a five paragraph essay you wrote in middle school but in a good way
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All 3 should hire
The only one that would listen would be epic
Alex had a fix for the ranked BR issue in the form of arenas. Everyone had the opportunity to get the same loot and if you lost then it isn’t just RNG, yet respawn still removed it due to low player count.
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Hey Macro, if you wanna see a hidden gem of a kind BR I would love to recommend Hunt: Showdown. It's amazing. The sound design, the world detail, the historically accurate weapons, the bosses. The whole game is lovingly crafted as well as being hard as hell
the biggest strength and weakness of a BR is that they require a large player base, and if it can't keep things interesting, then the game dies
To be fair, people were saying BR were dying WAY before I started playing them. They probably are but people were saying they been dead for a year after FortNight was released.
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The battle royales that secured their spot will continue, while those whose audience had dropped off hard are likely to continue to free fall…definitely interested to see what’s next.
I think games like Hunt: Showdown are the logical progression of Battle Royales. Based on BR core mechanics but it not being the main objective but rather a mechanic to make the game more intense and interesting. Also Hunt is just really good and different and I love it so I'm definitely biased
Yeah hunt showdowns game play loop is probably gonna be the next big thing
@@OmegaYurei I'm not sure about that, cuz it's not that casual, but it definitely just makes a lot of sense design-wise. Tho I would love it so much if Hunt really blew up cuz I think there's even more amazing things to be done with that game
@Jan Neuburger yeah all they have to is make it slightly less hard-core and more noob friendly and we got the next big game genre
I'm really wondering what the new go to gamemode will be, the tarkov type seems interesting. I really enjoyed vigor but sadly it's only on console as of rn
A forgotten gem of a BR that I never see talked about is “the divisions:survival” like the vibe in that dlc was something else and on top of that to win you didn’t have to kill everyone you just had to escape alive
6:15 Imagine talking down to people who want their skill to be the determining factor
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I think the problem with BRs is that they're so hard to make and maintain
It's harder than normal MP games because you need a large enough playbase to accomodate your game's high limit of players per match
So the problem arises when players prefer a BR over yours
So it's very hard to create an Original BR with Interesting Mechanics because people usualy steer away from the "New"
Take Darwin Project for example, it took the BR idea and molded it into it's own thing! An announcer that could shift the match at will, limited weaponery to simplify the game and yet heighten the skill ceiling, survival aspects to make the game more thrilling while adding craftable tools and gadgets to help you gain an edge over battle even if you haven't fought much
I feel like the game didn't do well because players wanted a Fortnite-like shooter, it was what started the whole genre and a game shifting away from it COMPLETELY isn't comforting, so they're not interested in trying it.
But let's take another example: Hyperscape. It was a shooter BR that didn't change much from other BR games...So why did it die? Because it was fast. The abilities didn't bother most people, but it was how fast the whole game was that made people not want to keep playing it, because other BRs aren't even close to being that fast, not even Apex which is considered a fast BR, was considered to be "Too fast".
All a BR needs to be quickly gave up on is "Change". If you try to change the formula too much, no one wants to hear what you got to say because it isn't what they're familiar with.
It's the same for other Multiplayer games, but atleast they got a smaller number of players per match which allows them to keep thriving as anyone could still find a match despite the game not being very popular
Can you tell i'm sad that Darwin Project and Hyperscape died yet? lol
I also liked hyper scape but to me darwin will always be the number 1 br imo
@@doctorshotty1845 DARWIN YEAH
God that game had so much potential, it was so fun to play at the whims of a director and overcome the odds
But "Too original"
BRs are not hard to make lol they are the most braindead easy design concept for a game any moron with no experience can up with a BR idea just ask the PUBG creator :D
Felt bad for spellbreak because they shut down their server but they could have been proving it. Because it was a lot complicated in the game.
Apex Legends has definitely decided to try to sift into other genres recently. With the inclusion of permanent non-BR modes like TDM, control, and gun run coming in season 16, Apex is trying to transition into a more complete FPS experience instead of just a BR game.
Then EA should just let titanfall 3 happen
In apex at least the matchmaking was the biggest problem for me. I was getting consistently to diamond with filled squads, but playing normals was unplayable and once getting to diamond rank was also unplayable, to have a fun time in apex you either are the top of players or the bottom, being in the top middle sucks, u get matched only against preds and masters, yet the game refuses to put me in that rank, or the third option you just create smurf accounts.
I think the biggest issue gameplay / quality of life wise with battle royales is still the time spent not doing anything, and I don't even just mean looting. The time you spend between dying and landing in apex just looking at UI and menus is insane considering how quickly things can go to shit after you didn't really do much in a match.
I think if the time between losing and jumping off the ship in a new match was like 30-60 seconds the battle royale formula would feel a lot more refreshing to a lot of players. I agree entirely with your point about ranked as well. Also, I worry that yes extraction is the direction we are headed, and I am not a big fan of it so sucks for me ig.
Even if I don't have any development experience, every game company should immediately hire me so I can bring back spellbreak 😭😭
Battle Royales have given me some of the best moments in gaming... 3 years ago. The genre is just not fun anymore, and I don't think there is a way to change that.
Apex needs to add titans. There could be a pickup that you could find in the map that allows 1 titan per team, that can be driven by any team member. It could also be cool to have the titan act on its own if there's no one in it, as a sort of fourth squad member.
No
Yeah no
Go play titanfall 2 if you want titans
Just found your channel today. Definitely agree in the fact that Battle Royales can feel a little samey now, but I don't think the genre is a fad. To me, after seven years of them being around, I feel like they're just as mainstay as something like TDM or a hero shooter. Super excited to see what you do next!
Battle Royal games still have potential it's just that new comers are often indie devs and/or trend chasers.
A BR with the mechanics of Escape from Tarkov would work well as at the moment the choice is really between a cartoon, a sci-fi cartoon, COD and a game made that looks like it was made by beginner devs just learning the engine, 10 years ago(this being PUBG).
There isn't an Immersive and realistic BR on the market.
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Shut the hell up
Apex better
You should test extraction shooters like Hunt Showdown and Escape From Tarkov
They're practically Battle Royals but the goal is to complete an objective then make it to an extraction point safely.
In Hunt everyone is fighting to have the opportunity of killing a "boss" which is a very powerful NPC placed somewhere randomly on the map, the players must locate the boss layer by scanning clues scattered around the map. The game is slow and methodical with smart repositioning being the crux of the combat. I love it a lot and I would love to see a Macro take on it.
Yeah but the problem with those especially hunt showdown is camping, some people just wait for people to do the objectives and then camp the extraction to bandit the rewards. Games like that really need to punish camping
The reason apex doesn’t have solos is cause the abilities of characters aren’t all good for solo and some really help teams more then you like lifeline
This is like that picture of all the same-ish white SUVs from different car brands - inevitably everyone agrees on one working formula and features then you add your own minor twist.
5:17 To be honest Fortnite BR/C needs to be treated like a different game from STW, the only thing that they share is some core mechanics and skins. STW is a fantastic game that is not in the best spot because it is treated as a outdated gamemode and not a stand alone game which it basically is.
I doubt looter shooters will ever become the absolute main game genre type or whatever because of there gridny and brutal nature, I absolutely love games like The Cycle and play it daily, but I think that a very large portion of people just wont enjoy the mechanics of risking your hard earned equipment every time you want to play.
There is this huge void on the multiplayer market, I would bet that in the next 2-5 years some unknown game like Multiversus, Among Us, Fall Guys will storm the gaming community like Elden Ring did when released
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Imo Apex has such fun movement and great mechanics overall that it doesn't ever seem to get boring. When you have a consistent 3 stack to play with, you win quite often as well.
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I feel like battle royales are dying but they won’t die for a long time. I think it will be a slow and prolonged “death” because there is that trend of people coming and going
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I think with the rapid increase in technology, it’s easier for developers to create beautiful solo experiences with really enticing combat, like GoW, Elden Ring, A Plague Tale, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Hades, and upcoming Avatar Frontiers of Pandora and Hades 2. I think single player games are the future, as companies don’t have to focus on good multiplayer, meaning they can put more resources towards good stories, beautiful graphics and buttery smooth gameplay.
I played hyperscape like twice and went back to play it again and was very disappointed to see it gone. It was genuinely a well made be
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Apex could put some of their cinematic budget and mid story telling segments towards keeping certain modes in the game. Maybe even more than 2 maps per season that'd be great
You say that like we are getting two maps a season? I'm I confused somewhere?
In my opinion, BR isn't dying for now. But, I still got the BR Fatigue since Warzone 2 popped. And, can't last half hour playing Apex nowadays (I started playing since S0 by the way), and recently played PUBG with my boyfriend, but, despite getting a good game, I had the said fatigue once again.
I'm now on Warframe for the time being.
I think battle royales are just transforming into a regular game genre now and not a trend to make quick cash that every dev is hopping on. the genre is just settling into the norm of the gaming sphere like the platformer or fighting game did in the 90s
BR mode mostly feels like a minigame type of mode that is in a smaller box next to the big box that holds the main gamemode of the game, like in csgo
Hyperscape is what we needed. Ubisoft should have actually marketed it. The game was fun, innovative, and had solid movement.
Who knows, maybe with enough people talking about it they might bring it back. At least I hope.
spellbreak was on of my favo br games just having fun with the boys
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I just want Sea of Thieves to make a battle royale. That would be so fun with the utility of ships to get to circle and the island hopping
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Haha yeah I was hoping for that mode in Sot years ago, I remember when they added arena mode, br could have been cool, I haven't played that game in a long time but it was fun
I think "Extraction Looter Shooter" types games will be the future. It has elements of BR with added persistence and risk that allows for deeper progression and more build variety.
Games like Escape from Tarkov (often considered the father of the genre), Cycle: The Frontier, Rainbow Six: Extraction, Marauders and Dark and Darker(RPG instead of FPS) are more digestible version of DayZ that revolve around a "session based" format that is popular since it can fit into anyone's schedule. The only hindrance is sometimes there is a minimal commitment level to these games that many cannot afford. And "gear fear" will take a while for some to overcome.
Overall I can see the Extraction genre become the spiritual successor to the BR craze, and we will soon see more and more developers expand on what EFT started years ago. Once you get into this genre, you are hooked. The thrill of incomparable high risk/high reward is unmatched.
hey and another good point some people might not be able to play or enjoy these games anymore is because the graphics.Like fortnites graphics have gone up substantially to the point you might not be getting the same fps as some people or your game might just crash because of it.
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I do think Extraction Shooters like tarkov and the cycle will be the next big thing. Ubisoft is already working on the division heartlands with a release this year hopefully. I’m excited for this genre :) ❤
I don’t know if it’s just me but I’ve been playing team base shooters for 8 years and I’m not gonna stop anytime soon
i don’t see apex, fortnite, or warzone ever dying based on the sheer amount of players who will continue to play it.
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Something every developer needs to understand is cosmetics aren't content.
Tell that to the Fortnite devs pls
honestly, id love to see that version of apex the devs showed where there was wallrunning, shit looks dope
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I probably would have never played a BR game, but my son got into Fortnite and I strated playing some with him. It was funner than I thought, especailly as that coincided with no build mode. Now he plays mostly with online friends and they never play the BR. Always playing mini games or whatever is on there.
Man I genuinely miss spellbreak and how unique it's combat was. Could I have been better yes, however I just hope it doesn't go wasted and can be transfered over to something else.
Also people still play league of legends and all we get is 5 characters a year and skins
I miss Darwin Project the Most. I played that game with my first friends, I was kinda sad it was shutting down.😢
The game is still up but the amount of players there are still playing is very little
I remember a few years ago when Fortnite was still decently new and fresh. If you didn't have it, you were uncool. Now, however, if you do play it, you are uncool. Oh how times have changed. The memories with my friends in OG Fortnite are so great.
It’s true that apex legends don’t have a solo mode it’s sad at the same time bcx as a beginner I see a lot of tryhards i am only able to knock 1 opponent down then get clapped by his teammates and this happens over and over which is really frustrating
Time to see survival games back babyy, Minecraft+Ark
My biggest problem with BRs is that it isn't a genre that you can just log on and play to relax you have to focus while playing, it is not an easy or peaceful experience. Other games for exemple allow more of that way of playing because your mistakes dont punish you as hard. Let's take an exemple, if someone whos is not the best at BRs, this pearson will log on and search for a game after maybe 2-5minutes he will find a game and after more 4-5 minutes he will start playing for real the he dies in the first fight, now he has to do the cycle once again.
played apex since day 1 still play it no other game has got me this hooked only pokemon thats it
3:47 yea, your right, they haven't stopped putting everyone In a minute
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I think we all should be giving more games a try and not get stuck playing multiplayer shooters
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Dude harmonies actually on point wtf!!
Looter shooters/extraction shooters like Escape From Tarkov, Marauders, Dark and darker will become the next big trend to overtake BRs
With the revive of apex with its whole rework and team death match, I’m really hoping it hits because I’m actually excited, but I’m scared that if it doesn’t hit apex will soon die off
Fitting how a game genre about being the last one standing literally has ALL of the competition die. XP
my friend group just calls warzone 2 midzone 2 because half the game your waiting for the zone to start moving 💀
Been playing Fortnite since the last week of season 5. Admittedly, been playing way more Destiny 2 once I started playing that last year in September.
I had a 100% win rate in Spellbreak! I played the game when it first came out, and I won the first match I played so I never touched it again.
I started actually playing DMZ, and it’s low key fun
My guess is that Battle Royales, much like MMOs already have their pillars set up, and those games serving as pillars are the ones that will keep getting content and updates, while the new ones will always be a risk to see if they can even retain players
I think a huge reason Fortnite still remains too, a thing most ppl in these videos don’t bring up, is that Fortnite has an ongoing story its telling. Sure some seasons don’t really build on the story and such but I feel like Fortnite is the only BR that is actually TRYING to tell an ongoing story season to season. They also can have their cosmetics be literally anything, not just locked to military gear in different patterns and colors but entirely different things and somehow still fit. I never wouldve thought I could be Spider-man running around in a game with a gun while the guy Im after is the predator and someone dressed as a llama or something and it not be completely ridiculous.
Spell break had so much potential. It was horrible on controller, filled with the dumbest bots I've ever seen, and didn't add much over time thus why it got stale, but it was conceptually dope as hell. I hope all the devs work on another project that they are equally passionate about. A lot of love went into that br for sure.
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That intro was fire bro
Saying players are bored of the br playform but like the gameplay is the most true thing ive ever heard, like apex just added tdm and gun run so thats what got me to play it again
One of the factor is that Warzone, Apex, Fortnite, and Pubg are like the set and stone br games. Others that tries to compete against it but fails to stand out to these big br games. I think it's here to stay because these four are the king of br games.
We have seen this in OW when that game became big before the drought, we could see this in OW2. OW has killed a lot of class based shooter with very few like R6S. Most couldn't match its gameplay and most importantly the art behind the game. A lot of characters are really likeable in OW and even to this day is has by far the best design in art and character imo.
Totally Accurate Battlegrounds, my favourite Br ever made, wish it had much more players than it does at the moment super underrated frenetic and even has spells lol
I think with apex trey probably won't try out so many more LTMs and New mode e.g. Arenas it is a huge failure and the 6 people that play it probably hate themselves. Although the reason why it failed was probably cause there wasn't enough content at the start and people lost interest in it. but modes like control and gun run mixes apex with og modes from games like COD and Halo and it not only gives you a sense of nostalgia but it also shows what apex's movement and gunplay offers in those modes and it excites everyone seeing what it would look like.
Arenas is great bruh, why are you so bitter about that mode lol