Porsche 911 - 992 OR 991.2 AND £30,000 in the BANK?! Head2Head of the Turbo 3.0s
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- What Porsche 911 would you rather have? The Porsche 992 OR 991.2 AND £30,000 in the BANK?!
Just like my GTR Vs Vantage Head2Head • Head 2 Head - Mercedes...
I put the Porsche 911 991.2 against its newest 911 rival, the Porsche 992. To see which one of these turbocharged rockets is truly the better car, all things considered!
Both these cars are currently for sale.
The Porsche 992 - premiersportssolutions.com/pr...
The Porche 991.2 - premiersportssolutions.com/pr...
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Hope you guys enjoy the video!! - If you like the Head 2 Head videos let me know and I'll try and make some more. Or if you prefer single-car review one at a time also let me know, and tell me what car you would like a review on next!
Just about to watch this video, I personally prefer the head to heads. I think it gives a great comparison which most of us buyers are interested in 👍🏻👍🏻
Paul Snashall Thank you for the feedback Paul! I will try and dream up some new head to heads 👍🏼
really like the review, I have a 991.1 and love it, if it were me I think I prefer the 991.2
Do you think it’s worth upgrading to a 991.2 ?
@@chris-eccohealthcare Tricky one really, I would say if they were the same price then yes but at the current price difference I'm not sure I would bother.
While the 992 looks amazing, it just lacks a certain feeling the older 911's inspire. The older ones are more like mechanical watches, beautifully crafted with a ton of soul. The new one is starting to feel like an apple watch.
You've hit the nail on the head with that!
Thinking this, the 997 should be produced again as more 'mechanical' er analogue. In addition, smaller than 992 which must become the upper limit in size for the future. Maybe, why the size of the 718 is so attractive plus mid-engine car.
@@stigpalm1922 Yup, and the NA flat-six on the higher end 718's.
@Hidden you are right! So I'd say the 997 is the best of both worlds
Exactly - the 992 is not appealing at all.
I do have both and 991.2 s and 992 4S . 991.2 turbo sounds is obviously much louder than 992 & I do enjoy to hear it. 991.2 interiors parts looks more solid in term of high quality. 992 4S run a bit faster & the gas pedal is also a bit lighter than pressing the 991.2. Both cars are good and it depends on personal reference . For myself I like 991.2 more .
991.2 is the nicest looking 911 of the modern era by a distance. 991's look and feel much more classic 911 than the 992.
992's look bulky and all the same as they have made the rears identical on all carrera models.
The 992 interior is probably a step up but tbh i'm not a massive fan of massive touch screens etc...
The sports exhausts also don't look good, not sure why they decided to put Audi style exhaust tips on 911's...
Great video Marc, informative, no beating around the bush!
stinkinrich No bush beating in my videos Richard! Straight to the point, no script, no plan and largely no clue 😂
Thanks for the video mate! Really helps to cut down my options.
No problem 👍
To me, the only improvement offered by the 992 is the slightly wider fenders.
Negatives…
Additional particle filter exhaust
Larger, Heavier
Door Handle Gimmickery
And although I will understand anyone who likes the wrap-across tail lights of the 992, I prefer the 991.2 rear end.
Same for the hood and front end design change. The 991.2’s smoother, rounded features are more appropriate for the 911 and better suit me.
My Two Cents 😎
Wider fenders are nice. Wish they'd put the two creases on the front bonnet though for the 991. It's just too smooth
992 is much more refined , Suspension is way better. I had the 991.2 and now 992.
This was my dilemma. I had a 997 for 10 years and was looking to upgrade. I ended up with a highly optioned 2019 991.2 4 GTS which was very similar in cost to a 2020 992 4S with fewer options. The GTS is slightly more powerful than the current 992 4S. The driving characteristic of the 991.2 4 GTS is indistinguishable in everyday traffic when I compared them. I have not compared them on the track, but I suspect the GTS with rear axle steering and active dampeners would outperform a similarly priced 992 4S. Looks are subjective, but I prefer the 4 GTS trim over the current 992 offerings. Both cars are awesome, and I would certainly have been happy with either- perhaps more biased towards the 992 if that had been my choice.
sounds like you made the right choice for you!
Worth the whole video just to see you "turn on the tap" in that 992, wow!
Haha yeah it genuinely took me by surprise!
Marc first time I see a car video with sincere imperfections, I love the fact that you just talk about what it is without any bells and whistles, I m about to buy my first 911 and your video just clarify any doubts about which model to choose, thank you.
Thank you!! Finally, someone who understands that my videos are raw, unperfected, unplanned and honest.
It is a simple recipe, I get in a car...drive it...tell you how it feels to drive it.
Which car did you choose?
@@DrivewithMarc I m going for a 991.2 gts end of 2018 with 12 K kms with an excellent package of extras because it was a demo, with full Porsche warranty.
@@kronos350 Perfect choice! 991.2 is great and a GTS just means You've won! Sounds a beauty
@@DrivewithMarc I ll make a video once I got possession
Buy a 991.2 GTS and you are getting the same performance for a nice discount! I prefer the buttons over the screen that requires you to do 4 things in order to do what a button does in the GTS.
I agree with you Steve
That’s exactly where I am leaning at the minute 991.2 GTS. Great head to head video, really enjoyed it. Exhaust system sound is very important for me, so will be steering away from 992 until GTS versions become available on used car market.
The 992 just seems to have much more physical presence than the generations before it. Not to mention the huge jump in interior quality. Granted im coming from a 17 R8 V10 Plus, so i like the wider, lower feel of the 992.
Great review and it clearad my thoughts on the issue . I Will go for the 991.2 at this moment and just tune it to about 500hk to get the performance that i want .
Fantastic choice Rickard! Would be great to drive something like that, good luck!
just what i was looking for, thx
Thanks for video. I was desperate to get a conclusion as I find myself in this situation. Do I move out of my 991.2 4GTS into a 992 S which is the other way round from your test. The conclusion seem to be based on 4 wheel drive vs 2 wheel drive rather than 991.2 Vs 992. Thoughts? Thanks!!
This is only video on TH-cam that has a comparison of both of these cars I currently have the 991.2 c4s I absolutely love it, in my optioning it’s a much nicer car than the 992
I own a 992 T manual and just installed a stage 2 on it. I love my car especially after the power upgrade, but between these two the 991 looks better, more timeless.
Grinning from ear to ear! Yet another outstanding video from Marc. Sensational cars, Iconic. Thank you, as always informative, engaging and a must watch and like! And share! Save the cash! Gen 2. More Porsche. As for the £30K..... buy an Up! GTi for the daily drive. As i have said before when it comes to the next Top Gear presenter it has to be Marc. Thank you. Our weekend is complete. Marc, keep your Porsche! It is the everyday, pop to the shops, take your Mum out in super car. And this review underlines that precisely.
Keith Ronson Thank you again for your kind words Keith! Knowing the videos are enjoyed makes me want to keep making more 👏🏼
Keith Ronson 911 cars are totally utilitarian, everyday, fun, safe, reliable long-living machines of my life.
Great vid brother! Have you remade this post the current (cough) situation?
As someone on the opposite side of the pond looking to make a purchase, I'm looking at the available CPO and pre-loved and it looks like the prices for non GT cars is creeping down a bit.
Cheers
Dr J
992 is better in one aspect. the front bumper is well below the headlamp.
where as 991 bottom of headlamp is into the bumper.
Hi mate, great video. Thinking of going for a 991.2 4S. Thoughts?
Rear and interior of the 991 look so much better
Which one should i choose 22’ targa 4 gts(0 km)or cheaper 18’ turbo s(6K km)or even more cheaper 17’ carrera 4 gts(10K km),Please help me to choose?
They both look lovely in white
I've just bought a 991.2 gts carrera 4 love it
The newer car is yours! Where you say "selecting the sports exhaust is a bit confusing sometimes" haha. I'm here looking at the 991.2
Good video mate.
quick question. DId you happen to check out the back seat in 992. i sat it in it and thought it was ok im 5'8 155/ did yo u feel it was an improvement over 991? (i got kids)
Same space as each other to be honest, kids would be fine for short trips but it isn't really a practical family car
I realise the video was made several years ago but just seen it today 😅 great overview as I am currently looking at either a 992 or 991-2 so covering many of the points you raise. Question: the road noise in the 992 seems a lot less than in the 991-2… did you use the same equipment or could this be due to different set-ups?
my 991.2 turbo s convertible is loud. i was looking at the 992 turbo s but it’s just too bulky looking.
I only saw the video now because I am only now considering going for a Porsche. I needed this video: thanks for your findings! Decisive for me in my decision! --> 991.2
Own a 991.2 gts 7spd. Had a 992 on order. After sitting in a 922 several times at the dealer I decided to keep my 991.2!
The 991.2 is your car. Thank you for the impartial review.
Hi, Marc. EXCELLENT comparison! I took delivery of my 992 C4S on Oct 15, and have put 5,500 miles on it. Kansas weather...rain, snow, ice. I have winter tires and it performs flawlessly. To be honest, the car feels larger than I anticipated and there’s a certain amount of guessing on how close I am to corners when turning, the height of the window sill (getting toll tickets you have to have a long, long reach), etc. But I am 100% satisfied. Having said that, I am sure if I opted for a 991.2 C4S/GTS I would be equally certain that I made the right decision. Your point on. Price difference is poignant and definitely worthy of serious consideration. Ciao!, my friend. And safe travels. :-)
Ron Stopfer Congratulations on your purchase Ron! You are right, the 992 is larger than previous models, perhaps this is something I should of mentioned!
Thank you for the message 🙏🏼
Now go and enjoy that car!! 🙌🏼
just picked up my C4S Cab yesterday, turned in my 991.2 Turbo Cab (not TS).
new car does seem a little larger but its noticed inside, seems much more spacious in the knee/hip area.
interior is superior quality wise as well.
There is TONS more front end grip and feel, same tires PZERO so its not a rubber thing.
havnt put it on track yet...will up date when i do.
Drive with Marc 8,500 (s)miles on it now.
991.2 every time. I have a 991.2 CS Cab and an glad I resisted dealer offer to change to a 992. Cost of change, plus the bigger 992 bulk, for me just did not offset the better 992 front end suspension benefits.
I went for a 991.2 GTS.
wide body w/ rwd... best option.
Although my x150 Jaguar XKR is the best GT car. Do a video of one (preferably a XKR-S) Totally underrated...
Solid choice! Sounds a great car!
Why is 4 wheel drive only useful in Scotland?🤔 There is worse problems reported every year south 😏Just watch the weather reports during the winter. 😉. Oh and I have lived on the south cost.........the coldest winters I’ve ever experienced!!!!! 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶. Good video, and I’ll keep you in mind when I buy my next porker.
The wheel blocking the dials on my 992 doesn’t bother me. I supposed using a square style steer wheel like the new corvette would solve the visibility problem but would solve the issue.. but would be blasphemous at the same time!
Nice job the 991 is your!
John O'Mahoney Thank you John! haha yeah it is but I tried to stay as impartial as I could
Drive with Marc ...not when you dusted off the steering wheel! that gave it away immediately!!
991.2 is the one I would go for....
great video Marc, things have changed and here in France a 991.2 GTS is almost the same price as a 992 s (with fewer options) - what do you reckon? :)
991.2 GTS without a doubt.
You do know that they do a C2S rear wheel drive in the 992, never seen your video's before. But maybe you should watch some others on youtube. The 992 has a wet setting and is 5 seconds faster around the Nurburgring. These are points definitely worth mentioning, along with other improvements.
No doubt there are much more informative videos out there online, I’ll check some out! I just happens to have a spare 15 mins on my lunch break so just went for a drive with a go-pro and said whatever popped into my head. But I’ll checkout some other videos for more info
991.2 GT3. That last inexpensive GT3
Enjoyed the video but hoped to see a comparison of models with the same drive train. Of course the 2wd is more lively, but how does the 992 2wd compare? That is the question.
I would love to do this too but unfortunately...as you can imagine, getting hold of the perfect model comparison is hard sometimes being able to borrow or use the perfect car
Wow giving it some lol , that shocked you and you own the other 991.2 from your reaction. ?
Can I have the front of the 991.2 with the rear of the 992 please ...
Yeah that would be awesome
That would actually be cool
Next generation 911 design revealed
The other way around for me :D
All wheel, it’s all wheel drive!
Nice video but please please please hold the wheel properly. If you’ve been lucky enough to go to the Porsche experience centre Silverstone, you’ll remember the first thing they go on about, how you hold the steering wheel! 😏😉
HomersRevenge haha I’m sure I would be holding it incorrectly if I was on a race track but for driving on the road I just hold it how I feel comfortable
😂 👍 keep up the videos
991.2!
Hey, i seen 14mpg in the 991, are they very realistic figures or that you were ragging the car a fair bit 😂
I’ll stick with my 991.1 non turbo.
Beautiful cars both of em but not for me, I'm looking to buy a 89 Porsche 911 instead, drove it once and boy it's sad how they drifted from the purity of it, like sure they are fast but anyone can drive them now. Porsches used to take a skill to drive but meeeh
But hey that's just me complaining lol it's still beautiful af though but I'm sure you get what I mean
I totally get what you mean and I would love a classic 911...however I would only get one if I could get 2 cars. One daily and then the classic for the weekend, trying to drive a classic everyday would drive you mad! Its a shame but their modern counterparts have to be able to be used as everyday cars but still have the 911 spirit which think they do without too many compromises
Per me la tua è il 992 cmq sei stato esaustivo nella dimostrazioni super
Just stumbled upon your channel, you’ve done some great vids. As for comparisons, how about my first world problem. I currently have a very high spec, including PTS, 991.2 GTS Targa but I also have the potential for a new 718 Spyder. I love my 911 as its very unique but the new Spyder looks like its an awesome bit of kit. So if I do go for the Spyder will I regret selling the 911?
I think the 718 Spyder is a interesting and good looking car, i'm not sure it will drive as well as a 911 however...sometimes it is more about the drama than the speed and performance
Keep the targa
Keep the 911....its A 911 for heaven sake bro...
Id buy the 991.2 cause of the sound
Carwow, 992 S, 0-60 mph, 3.0 seconds sir, BIG difference from the 991!!!!
I own the 991.2, tuned with 480 HP. You should try that one. ;-)
@@derekwhoelse8359 yea and a 992 with a tune puts your 991 to shame..
@@michelvanvliet2826 Probable......
Great video Mark!
I own a 991.2 C4, decided to hold the extra money in my pocket. Brought it to the tuner to tickle it a bit and it has 480 HP now.
It's fast, drives awesome and I'm very happy with it. But..... I like the looks of the 992. The rear of the car and the interior. I might buy one in the future if the bitcoin price goes up again. 😉
Where did you get your tune done?
Mucho más bonito el 991, por fuera y por dentro.
Had time to reflect: How about a BMW M8 Competition Coupe ...did someone mention Bentley GT? ... Plus another for consideration the [amazing!] Audi RS Q3 Sportback...again pitch at the silly, stupid Lambo Urus... and save yourself a packet! Did house deposit anyone?
Finally, i know i keep 'banging on', have a week in a VW Up! GTi in the real world of Bournemouth and the south coast with a weekend treat of 911 or similar ilk waiting in wings. Or perhaps a Fiesta ST? Back to the real world theme, if you can get your hands on a M8 Competition perhaps pitch against its sibling, the excellent new BMW M135i or the bonkers crazy, M145i, rear wheel drive. Over to you, Marc!
Keith Ronson All great suggestions, I will see what I can sort out 👍🏼👍🏼
Good video.
However, I think your fuel consumption figure comparison is not "like for like"
The 992 must have been measured from an updated test cycle to the 991. There is no way the 992 does 9 mpg less than the 991.2.
991.2 Carrera T is nice 😸
RWD vs AWD.. From a driving perspective it would have been better if they were both just Carerra S
For sure but getting two identical cars for the day takes high budgets...which I don’t have. I do apologise
I have been in my friend's 2004 Porsche Boxster, better than both these cars in comparison. At the end of day, a Porsche is a Porsche, they all drive the same!
You are pretty correct, I have had a few 911s in my time and they are all the same
Following on from my last statement, ive have had the privilege of being in a Porsche 991.2 Targa 4s- amazing car! Also been told that the Porsche Turbo s second generation is a different breed of Animal! Simply RAW
@@DrivewithMarc No they are not Marc. I had a few 911's as well but the 991 and 992 driver a lot more different, and better, the the older 911's.
On the fence with this one but I’d say buy a 2-3 years old 991.2 for $75k drive it for 3 years and sell it for $55k. Heavy depreciation is in the first 3 years of ownership and after that it trickles. It ends up costing you about $600/month vs. a 992 with $10k down and ~$1,200/month at 5k miles a year for 3 years.
A new 991.2 for $75k??? What country are you in? I want to move there
he did say 2-3 years old but I understand your sentiment! $75k would barely get you a C2 with no options here in the US.
991.2 is way better😻
Brenden Kim I couldn’t agree more 👏🏼👏🏼
They are both great cars. And Marc is spot on with the price difference compared to the difference in the cars. Having said that, I happily opted for the 992 C4S and don’t regret it. But again, if I bought. A 991.2 GTS or C4S, I’d be certain that I made the right decision there. If you have the money, either car you choose will have been the perfect choice.
I’m confused. Is this car really 30 grand as I checked online and it’s 80 + grand 😐
The difference between the 2 cars is £30,000
Drive with Marc cheers mate. I thought I was missing something there.
991
992 for me please 🙏
Not prepared enough, don’t know the specs without a phone. To the Porsche lover they are very different inside and out, you’ll only but a 991 if you don’t have the money for a 992, that’s clear. The 991 is dated
love my new 992, made a little video of it here: th-cam.com/video/Q6L3bz_H1GQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi Marc , V8 Vantage or 911?
Good question Matt, it’s a tough call. The vantage sounds better, the Porsche’s interior is better and is more spacious/comfortable for longer journeys. Performance wise they feel very similar. The main difference between the two in ‘real world’ ownership is depreciation with the vantage suffering a much harder drop than the Porsche which tend to hold their money quite well in comparison. This is something I would be extra cautious with at the moment since Aston Martin are only a couple of months away from going into administration unless they get a serious amount of financial backing...who knows what knock on effect this would have on the price of the cars!
Drive with Marc interesting comment on the 992 values, my 8 month old 992 has lost 30k already according to local Porsche centres.
@@andrewsingh Yes, as with all new cars they loose a lot of money in their first year and then begin to level out. Unfortunately for Porsche with the 992 they did it to themselves by making so many cars availble so early in its life, normally they limit the number of early production cars which keeps the prices high. For some reason the with 992 they had lots and lots of them ready to go which meant a lot of people who brought them to quickly flip on to make a quick quid were stuck with supply outstripping demand for the first time in the 911 market...this meant a lot of those people then slashed the prices to get out of them very quickly before the bubble completely burst...this then had a knock-on effect on the people looking to actually genuinely use them and sell them 6 months later as the used value had already been destroyed by the 'flippers' - It is a very unfortunate situation and one not at all in character for 911s.
Drive with Marc true, when I bought mine many dealers had them 5-10k over list which was optimistic to say the least! Hopefully it levels out soon as I’m getting itchy for a change after 9 months!
I have got a highly specified 991.2 c2s - it’s a wonderful car but has needed 10k +😮 repairs under warranty. Turbo’s , water pump, air con all failed and fixed by Porsche. Has the 992 fixed some of the weak points on the 991 . I would not buy a 991.2 without OPC warranty other wise you will spend all the savings from buying a 992 😮
992 is too close to a Panamera coupe , inside and outside, too cozy too boring , huge size to reach more customers
No way those times are right!! Zero to 60 on the 991 with sport crono were better than that let alone the 991.2.
991S with PDK and SC gets you there in 3.7
991.2 in 3.5 given the turbo
the 992S has been clocked at 3.2/3.1 and better.
The 4S is 3 flat on so many reviews that its not a fluke anymore.
Just reading the stats mate, I haven't measured them. Just purely the stats given by Porsche
@@DrivewithMarc
What stats? Porsche posted those with Crono and without! You might want to look at that secondly Porsche always underestimates it actual speed which is why you post the recorded speeds not the speed listed in the site.
Car and driver got 3.1 in the 991.2 s
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Nishar rock 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The best 911 is the one you are driving. Full stop.
991.2 tutta la vita ❤
992 looks better. Feels better , and drives better ..
991.2 is yours
At 10:05 it give away that 991 is your car.
The 992 consumes more gas? I have problem to understand the strong british accent.
The 992 gear knob looks like a light switch. Maybe the worst design feature I’ve ever seen in a 911
Isn’t that a 2020
The 992 interior looks like it came from a german taxi cab. 991.2 everyday of the week, better looking, more individual, less production line looking.
Yours is 991.2...
991.1 VS 992 would make more sense since it has NA engine instead of turbo, between these two obviously 992
Did you say £145 tax???
Ok video but not a like for like comparison as they have different drivetrain’s.
992 looks so much better. but 991 is still fresh, and seems to have a more lively feel, I am not a fan of fancy infotainment as it never ages well and the 911 is a car that ages better than most. lets see what 992 prices are looking like in 2021..... and also the US 992 should have a much better exhuast note without the filters
It does not look SO much better. The front grill on the 991.2 is quite a bit better looking. Maybe the rear is better on the new one. They both have their attributes.
992 is ugly 💩 991.2 ftw
*Laughs in a bmw ass-looking bumper
I wanted to see the cars not you for the whole video. Get more cameras
Cost and time with the cars plays a bit part of this, I just do this for fun...I'm not a full time 'youtuber' but I will do what I can to improve. Thanks for the feedback
One more idiotic comment mentioning that GEN 1 infotainment interface is not smooth enough .. even Gen 1 is worth of 100000 . At least interface response should be same amongst alll version as these car not cheap. Really such idiot ..
A 25 minute video that states absolutely nothing... 🙄
I AGREE! What a waste of your time, I do apologise
Both garbage
991 values are mental. I don’t understand why 2016 991 c, cs are worth so much. Gts, gt3, turbo s I can understand.