Johnny Marr opens up about The Smiths split
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- Johnny Marr popped by for an intimate chat with John Kennedy, armed with a guitar, in front of some lucky members of the public.
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I could listen to him all day, one of the most humble, down to earth and brilliant musicians pleasure to hear from him
Legend mate
yeah i agree
listen to set the boy free on audible! he reads his own autobiography for your ears, its great. ive done it twice.
Me too. Really honest and comfortable in his own skin
except he doesn't really say anything about the smiths split. Bit clickbait that Radio X.
what he's on about is interesting, but it's just not really what the title leads you to think he's on about.
He just said that he was “forced into it”. Still click bait. 🙄
A McKay Music listen from 1:25
@@revol148 two years and not a single example
@@basti_marr he was forced into it - this is Johnny Marr we're talking about - not exactly the most articulate of people at the best of times !
Why are people that are Smiths 'disciples' *so blind* to see *why the band split* when it's been staring them in face since 1987 ---
The *reason* they broke up was *YOKO ONO*
@booseyhey not 'foggy'
she DID
bingo
Nah mate, it was Chastity, a simple German girl whose father had invented WWII...
YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS!
You're not entirely wrong cough Angie Marr. 😜
The Smiths were extremely unique. There was no band like them and Marr is a fantastic guitarist. The lyrics are not the usual subjects you’d find in pop music. With just a short life of 5 years, 4 albums and a million compilations, they will be remembered in 100 years time unlike most bands of that era. It’s a pity they split because they had lots more great music left in them. I hope they never reunite simply because their musical and artistic legend is mightier than a cash-in hits tour. It’s like getting back with an ex partner, as soon as you get back you realise why you split!
You’re right that a Smiths reunion tour would be dreadful and tarnish the legacy. But I would like Johnny Marr and Morrissey to write some new songs together. Sadly it looks like that will never happen.
MASSIVELY overrated. Btw, I like Morrissey and Marr`s solo stuff.
@@fecklessmovies I don’t think morrisey and marr have met or talked since 1987.
@@TwentyOne_Five I think you’re right. And following that court case Morrissey will never speak to any of the other Smiths again, let alone make music with them. Fortunately he’s got Alain Whyte back on the team now and a really great band.
@@fecklessmovies Well, you have your wish. They'll never reunite now Rourke is gone ...
The "RADIO X!" at the end killed my eardrums
yeah bloody hell
I agree ! 😉👍
Thanks for the warning
I wish the interview was as loud
Thanks for the warning !!!! what wankers they are for doing that!!
If the smiths got together and started touring, the number of people who would be extremely happy and excited would be fucking huge.
At their current age now it would just be sad.
they could probably sell out any given venue three times with the amount of people that would see them
@@cockoffgewgle4993 What about Johnny and Morrissey as they tour now with their respective bands playing Smiths' music, is that also sad ?
@@TheVideoLounge Not really, because they're different acts. People don't have their young selves to compare them to. And The Smiths' main audience was teenagers and young people.
Reviving music/films/whatever decades later rarely works. It's just depressing, like trying to recapture your youth or moments from your past.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 sad?
How so?
Both still sound terrific
"An evening with Morrissey & Marr" would not be a the smiths reunion, but rather a chance to revisit certain songs properly - acoustic & electric ....
Maybe a PETA benefit? or for cancer research
That is a fantastic idea. Then everybody in the world would be happy...except Mike Joyce ha ha
They aren't looking for a cure for cancer now too much money in treating it mate
@@happymedz5987 That makes no sense, they could make sooooooooo much more money selling the cure to cancer than treatment
@@HumansFreshlyBorn if they found the cure to cancer they would be able to sell it. In the UK they would be forced to hand it out for free. Long term they make more money with treatment
@@HumansFreshlyBorn a cure is an one time thing. Treatment is for life. Would you rather have 100 quid once, or 50 every 6 months?
Both Rourke and Joyce were vitally important to generating the Smiths' sound, especially these amazing baselines on songs such as Barbarism, yet they both only got 10 percent...that is a travesty.
3 Minute Poetry Analysis Rourke is an underrated bass player, I thought he was fantastic
It would be exactly like paying Ringo and George 10% in the early days
I am new to The Smiths music/band and it seems a very odd story of greed regarding the band ending and royalty split 40/40/10/10. For people as intelligent as Morissey and Marr it seems incredible and sad.
Imix Muan are you having a laugh? Are you calling the Queen Is Dead “downhill”? The best Smiths record is definitely the Queen Is Dead.
Andy rourke was great but marr actually wrote many of the bass lines himself, including the one on barbarism
Anyone got a link to a vid where Johnny Marr opens up about The Smith's split?
It sure isn't this one!
@@MrSoapFactoryYou don’t say?
Let’s face it, The Smiths was indeed The Beatles of Manchester...they had their own ethos, their own look, their own singular genius (collectively) but they were the band of the 1980’s...And I agree with the others that Marr would love another go-round with The Smiths again. Now that Morrissey is confined to a wheelchair (a goof on his latest video) it would be good for the mates to bury the hatchet and have a proper album and tour. ‘Nough said. Thank you.
exactly it’s really just petty. sort it out boys.
Morrissey lyrics unsurpassable... end.
yes. except Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others
@@shadygroves8252 "As Antony said to Cleopatra as he opened a crate of ale, Oh I say, some girls are bigger than others" how is that not genius haha
@@kriss.454 fair enough haha
Just a shame when people started to realise "oh no wait Morrissey isn't trying to say weird stuff to satirise the music industry/society as a whole, he genuinely is a nutcase who believes everything he's saying
@@Umicron_ Like what? Give an example
Say and believe what you what Johnny, but your Smiths songs were leagues ahead of what you've done since.
Andy J M don’t get me wrong, there’s no sound like original Smiths tracks. But you listen to Johnny’s music now, he just keeps getting better and better, and you can bet your bottom dollar Morrissey will never have the talent and gift that Marr now has even after all these years, listen to Morrissey’s latest stuff - his voice has gone and he can’t play the guitar. But Johnny’s latest music is bloody amazing, I mean come on bro. But eh; everyone’s got different tastes I guess
@@TheTimeIsSoStrange which songs or albums he's on you rec
@@peterpinsent9304 I understand what you’re saying. I wrote that comment 3 years ago and have a completely different mindset now, so apologise for my attitude back then. I’ve come to realise that it’s personal preference - some people prefer Morrissey’s music and others prefer Johnny’s and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not everyone likes the same thing and if they did, the world would be a very boring place.
Be honest, much rather hear him discuss ALL the 'boring' details of the revered Smith's songs than anything else...:)
Britain’s 2 most influential guitarists of the last 30 plus years. Johnny Marr and John Squire.
Noel Gallagher?
Can’t agree more absolutely spot on
I think you meant Johnny Marr and Johnny Greenwood.
Yeah, Johnny Marr and Johnny Greenwood is more realistic.
Nah he was right the first time Johnny Greenwood is a genius multi instrumental artist.. John Squire and Johnny marr started the Madchester movement which spawned britpop..
What a top bloke
Plus, I’d argue his arrangements in The Smiths were quirky and just right, and he was young enough for it to be unique
Rare and powerful magic happening in England in the early/mid 80s🖤🖤🖤
The 80s and 90s were probably the the last great creative decades. Everything now is awful 😢
Andy Rourke wrote the music for Yes, I Am Blind.
Must have been difficult dealing with morrissey also as brilliant as he is
Nothing without the melody,lyrics, charm of yep you guessed it! ...
Marr constantly tells us he’s overrated. So humble.
The fact morrissey and Marr even ever came together is more than remarkable.
I was thinking the same thing.
where?
down vote only for the ear-rape at the end, but the content was good.
Dear Johnny, I have in memory every single Smiths song. And also a good many Morrissey songs. End of comment.
Bryan Ferry, Pretenders, The The, Talking Heads, Billy Bragg, Electronic. Marr did some great things after The Smiths ended.
Jeff Svirtunas Modest Mouse
Yeah, but with ALL of those respected acts, there aren't too many songs Marr did with them which people are singing or will remember so fondly as Smiths' songs.
Also Morrissey released 'Viva Hate' just six months after the last Smiths album. They both did fine, shame about Andy and Mike...
Manuel Löv - No,no,no. Joyce and Rourke did some tunes on Sinead's huge record. Before that Joyce was with PIL and Buzzcocks. All four members including the 5th Smith Craig Gannon, have been involved in great things since the demise.
Sounds more like he just relaxed with already-established acts, past their prime. I mean good for him if he enjoyed it, but it's not like when the average person thinks of the Pretenders, they're thinking of a song that came out after The Smiths broke up. Same with Talking Heads. No doubt he's an amazing musician, and still can play, but let's be honest here. All of his memorable music was made with The Smiths. No use in denying it. He's a great guitarist, so he was able to survive after the break-up of one of the most iconic British bands. But "surviving" isn't the same as flourishing. Now he and Morrissey are getting too old for a reunion to even make sense. They've both totally gone their own ways, and it would be too contrived. I think Morrissey has done much better than Marr post-Smiths. There are a number of his songs that are easy to remember and sing in the shower. We're just left with recordings of Smiths songs. Thank God they were together as long as they were, and as prolific as they were.
Love this brilliant man
Seems so genuine and all round good guy!
Johnny Marr did his absolute best stuff in the smiths. Couldn’t top that
So glad he gave theThe a shout-out.
That's the thing: In the U.K., more often than not, famous artists will work with one another, as Marr illustrated. Morrissey is a aloof.
The way it should be viewed is 5 years vs. 31 years. We all love The Smiths and they're all important equally. Dusk and Mind Bomb are up there with The Smiths stuff easily.
I heard it was a phony leak to NME which claimed he had left after which he decided to leave anyway in disgust. It certainly sounds like it was resolvable, and the way Marr and Morrissey have talked about being upset by the split, you've got to think they do too. In that instance it wasn't a forced exit as Marr claims.
I always felt the NME running that story effectively created the split out of nothing.
You seldom hear him extolling Moz but he always seems more than willing to praise Bernard Sumner, it's a very strange carry-on.
Totally agree, he praises other collaborators to the skies but he's fooling no-one. I think it is due to the fact that he & Moz are estranged and have a difficult personal relationship, whereas he's still very 'matey' with the rest so he tries to make them more important than they are.
Funny how he says he learnt how to be a better songwriter, yet no better songs came out of him after The Smiths. I can't even think of a single post-Smiths Johnny Marr song.
Choco Manger yeah, I thought Morrissey did all the song writing anyway
Get the Message, Feel Every Beat, Getting Away With It, New Town Velocity, The Messenger, ...
Some of the songs he wrote with Kirsty MacColl are very good. Heck, 'Children of the Revolution' could easily be a Smiths track.
'Down on the Corner' is a very good one also. Strange how nobody ever mentions that song.
100% correct
Morrissey is and has always been a crooner. Marr's songs/arrangements suited Morrissey's style. It's that simple. Pop/rock crooners are a rare thing.
He was forced into leaving The Smiths.....
By himself
Amazing guitarist one of the best BUT couldn't disagree more with him and I'm not even a big fan of the smiths ! I'm a musician and Bernard isn't in the same league as Morrissey . The smiths were unique and a very very talented band
Joy Division, new order and Electronic. Bernard has done it 3 times, over many genres of music, to say he’s not in the same league is a joke.
considering Moz didn't write a single Smiths song, I don't understand what you are on about. Moz wrote lyrics, but Johnny wrote every single song, riff and melody.
I’m sorry but you you know nothing. You can’t displace Bernard or Neil or Chris. Get well informed about the real deal things and come back.
@@cityslacker6221 That's not true, Marr would give Morrissey instrumentals and he would write lyrics and put them to a melody. In no instance did Marr give Morrissey an instrumental with a lead melody and just say "here, fill in the syllables".
@@patriciofernandez2711I am editing my first reply to you. I did not say Johnny instructed moz on how to sing the lyrics. Johnny wrote the music and Moz wrote the lyrics and sang them to his and Johnny and Street’s satisfaction. However, moz’s “melodies”, or how he fit his lyrics to the song, did not affect the music as far as we know.
Just like the Clash, the Smith's should have just taken a year off.
YES !
😊✨ wonderful to hear how the future evolves from all those people from the past ✨☀️
You wouldn't be where you are today without Morrissey. Fact. Deal with that.
Classic! I never realized that Bernard is the one that made loose all his creativity.
How though?
@@mirandaosornio9464 Johnny said his musical skills got better after Bernard…. So there is the Music after Bernard and the one before - you be the judge.
I haven't heard Electronic too much but I'll pay more attention (kinda understand what you say cause Bernard has a very different way of writing)
Johnny not going 'Back to the old house' :)
I'd go along with all the good impressions of Marr in terms of modesty and talented genius etc but I find it difficult to understand his treatment of Craig Gannon
I wonder sometimes if part of Marr's coldness towards Craig came down to pride (not wanting to share the guitar spotlight) and another part was him wanting to show loyalty to Andy. Who knows? Morrissey had similar issues with Craig, he just didn't fit in. Johnny was sympathetic to CG in his book.
Glad he mentions Matt Johnson.. I was hoping he would join The The's tour this year but it appears he isn't..
The only two people who made The Smiths what they were, were the two founding members - namely Eric Smith and his ailing wife Maureen. So sad that her ill health meant they had to leave, just before the band rocketed to fame.
+Nubby Tope I'll have whatever you are on please!
What a beautiful guitar!
Old enough to know the difference and young enough to go their separate ways
Nothing beats the story when he was kidnapped by the Mondays! 😂
...and that’s why he covers Smiths tracks in his solo set - and sings them really poorly I hasten to add. The Smiths are my favourite band ever and I really like some Electronic, but Marr solo is a poor man’s Paul Weller.
isn't Paul Weller representing the poor man already ?
At the end of the day Morrissey and Marr needed each other at the time, they've helped each other to gain fame and fortune and will always be THE SMITHS
What happens is , bands get 5 great years .... they can do no wrong , create new stuff ... then they run out of creative material , and break up . The bands that stay together mostly repeat the old material on tour . Some artists find that too boring .
Should we just face it? Those four blokes won't ever reunite. What do you think?
It’s true. As much as I adore him, Morrissey really is a fucking madman now.
Comment Debater Indeed, seems like the older he gets!. Maybe heaven knows he's miserable now.
It's never going to happen, mostly because Morrissey hates Joyce, so there's no hope for us.
It will never happen ever. Morrissey is still bitter with Joyce over that 1996 court case. Can you imagine being bitter with someone for 22 years. I wouldnt have the energy.Also i think they fear getting back together. What if their not as good the legacy will be destroyed.
Darren Herbert - I would still take my chances just to see them all four together on stage. I had the privilege to meet both Joyce and Rourke at a Smiths convention in Pasadena CA I believe in 1997, awesome pair. My wife won one of the raffle to have dinner with them. Something that will never happen to me again! Joyce was really down to earth. Andy of course shy. I'm sure Morrissey and Marr are cool as well. At the end of the day, their just flesh and bone.
I’m sorry but I don’t understand what he’s saying
what / how was he forced into, again ?
"im a let you finish talking about the Smiths, but first let's talk about the pet shop boys....."
Johnny Marr like a younger brother of Alice Cooper and Scarface Pacino.
I fuking love you Johnny Marr, but I was just listening to the brilliance of Stop Me, and Shoplifters of the world unite, & I'm not a big Morissey fan, just you. But Man of Madchester, wow is that some amazing never to repeated music. Stands on its own to this day.& Bernie and Hooky? that's their stuff and world.
Why dont ya reform the Apple Piths then without the Moaner at the helm
I knew thats was the Bernard he was talking about
Johnny, Bernard, Neil and Chris should've formed a group. Electronic was close but they just did "Disappointed" with Neil and it was missing Chris Lowe.
They had preceded that with Getting Away With It cowritten and performed with Neil. And Patience Of A Saint had some input from Chris too. But yes, more would have been welcome
We surely need more
Getting away with it is my all time favourite song. Absolutely brilliant.
If this is opening up, I wont bother reading his book 🙄
his book is really insightful and goes into way more detail. I've read it 3 times, a great read
Why does he feel the need to lie here?! Every Smiths fan knows it was him who split the band up
Without saying it exactly, Smiths folded because of the intransigence of Morrissey.
Morrissey post Smiths success says alot about who the main person of The Smiths was. I loved them growing up but I think that intense pop creativity burnt out when it was supposed to. I dont find Marr that humble to be frank.
yes but those people never produced magic like the Smith's did
You would feel sorry for him in a way...
Many great musicians. Only one The Smiths.
Johnny is so embarrassingly self righteous with regard to Morrissey. He of all people, should consider the possibility of his own ignorance. He did and can still learn a lot more than he thinks, from his former bandmate. I get that Morrissey can appear to be a contrarian, but beneath the surface he is quite principled, and maybe deserves a bit more thoughtful consideration with regard to the depth of his opinions, rather than blatant disregard. Johnny Marr is the most creative and talented guitar player in the history of music, in my opinion, but he has some intellectual deficits he could easily correct, with a shred of research, if he wasn’t so bitter, and concerned about impressing Morrissey and the “fans” with his post Smiths “success” and all of his “amazing” friends.
Spineless
Headz up! Don't bother - it's click bait!
Forced. Heartbroken.
this C L I C K B A I T
wasn't needed AT ALL
Misleading title
I dunno, post-Smiths Marr at his best still doesn't hold a musical candle to anything he recorded with The Smiths. Whereas Morrissey at his best is still as good as he was with The Smiths. I'd love to see them work together again, but for me the evidence suggests Marr needs it a lot more than Morrissey. To be honest I think a lot of Marr's solo stuff is pretty awful.
Johnny sounds out of his depth: a product of the past; he does not make one comment that makes an actual point.; does not really relate to the question (s) asked . This makes him look like a man being asked to downplay the accomplishments of the smiths (video's title alludes to this) ; and then he struggling to do so - they're better than his later accomplishments. Post Smiths he hasn't really achieved much. (The post-Smiths Morressey has certainly done better.) Although this Video may be taken out of context: why do people keep up-thumping it ; its empty of content ; plus, it's possible to like: the Smiths / Marr / Manchester - and still recognise that this video is empty headed shite. Why do people like this?
your grammar and sentence structure isn't coherent.
We share the same profile picture and so please don't judge
@@niadaniels1044 oops
Dont judge me for seeing mine as yours...at least I was willing to share.
mars i havent enjoyed anything that you have done. should of put up with Morrisseys shenanigans
It's all a bit boring really I have to say he should stick to playing the guitar.
Bernard Sumner? Please....
So, whats fhe reason, the smith is over?
And yet everyone still listens to The Smiths or Morrissey?!
Musically he became much more boring since he left the Smiths. But in his head he actually became musically much more interesting. Oh well.
Bernard Sumner and "excitement factor" don't really seem to go together really.
Incorrect. Next?
I need Johnny to work with Moby!
He worked with the pet shop boys!!??? When?
I know Neil Tennent was In the band Electronic with Marr and Sumner from new order
On the album Behaviour by the pets too
Just get back together..
I feel despair for anyone relying on the subtitles here
Ghost in the Past
It's funny because he same he became a better songwriter when in fact he hasn't done anything that has come close to The Smiths. But if he wants to lie to justify it.
That was nothing about the split...!
How was he forced into it, tho?
Marr is full of BS
If Johnny has become such a better songwriter learning from people he has worked with since leaving The Smiths then why doesn't he write better songs? 🤣
not true he never did any better than the smiths
Mate just tell us what fucking happened
Click bait
Johnny is bloody cool but he needs to stop dyeing his hair! He should be happy he has so much of it at his age
Or maybe he should carry on how he bloody well pleases.
Actually it looks a bit "stiff" when he's playing live and moving around the stage, I wonder...
He doesn't need to keep dying it as it's a wig
C'mon people, It's not Johnny's fault you don't get laid.
TMATMATMA is it?
Nothing to do with the smith splitting up.
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The The vs the world???
Great guitarist but Morrissey was The Smiths
1:30 no Johnny - you and Morrissey ran out of decent songs and you jumped ship (not that you would ever admit it) !
+Imix Muan read Johnny Rogan's book on the band and report back....
Johnny is a cool guy, great guitarist. The Smiths were fucking garbage, though, it's beyond me how anyone can tolerate such utter shite!